11-19-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Nick Ferguson

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Dave Logan, ryanand Nick Ferguson. Dave, my friend could see you.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
What are you?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
What are you looking at?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I don't think I'm on. Do you hear me? Yeah?
Oh you do? Yeah? You said great, I don't hear you.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
Oh okay, Oh hey there I go. Thank you, Thank you.
Good I pulled too hard story in my life. Good
to see you guys. Good to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Guys to see Nick, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
I'm doing the spectacular. I'm just basking in the area
of both you and Dave right now? Is that yeah?
Because the sun is gonna quite literally basket.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yes, you got you get the best seat in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, you get to hide look at you. Yeah, I
got here early. That's why he scouted out a spot.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Smart, Yes, smart.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's a bet move. Yeah, it's a bet move in radios.
Be like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna sit in
a place and nobody can see me.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
What's the game out of the sunshine? Yes I am.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
But but but the radiant shine that's coming off of
both of you guys with your shades.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
All man, I'm just basking in your glory. That's all
I'm doing. Wow, doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I slowed to you though, Dave, but just to say
you look good.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Appreciate that. Yeah, thank you? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well you must may be a bye week low kind
of thing, you know, Hey, we got to get a
weekend where we're not to have it distress about the
Broncos for a minute. I don't know, you even stress
about the brime and you just call the games. I
stressed about the Broncos. But I stress about everything.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I know you do. I know you do.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
No, I mean I I don't know that I stress
about them. There are some seasons that are, you know,
more enjoyable than others, and this seems to be one
of those.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, it is really enjoyable.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
So I'm uh, I'm looking forward to the next game,
the Sunday night game in DC.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
But it's also brought elevated expectations. Like at the same time,
that's so.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
But you know what, if you're I mean, and Nick,
Nick could speak to this, if you're that guy or
you're that team, you you welcome, you welcome all the expectations, right,
you want you want all that smoke?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, I guess you played the game for that, right,
I mean what you know, you don't play it to
be a two and eight team.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Actually play the game for money. But no, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Money is important, but yeah, no, you you play to
have a chance to to do something special in this season.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Nobody knows how next year.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know, I always I do scoff a little bit
when the teams that are having great years and you
know then they at the end they had opportunities really
to make a deep run, and for whatever reason they
lose a game early in the playoffs and they say,
you know what, Man, next year is going to be
the absolute year. Man, I've seen too many instances I've
been involved with teams that were right there and then

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the next year you had injuries and everything went sideways.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
Well, this is a great time for the Denver Broncos
when you really think.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
About it, because in years pass we haven't really been talking.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
About them in this particular way locally or even when
you look at it from a national standpoint. Now, for
the team to be nine and two, everyone is going
to be looking and all odds are going to be
glued to the Denver Broncos. Even though right after this
bye week they have the Commanders which they should win,
and the Raiders, who definitely.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
They should should be on the row.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
But like you said, Ryan, those expectations are going to soar.
And it just reminded me of you know, when I
first arrived here from the Jets coming into the Broncos organization.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Where it was Super Bowl the bus.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
We're finally getting back to that conversation where we're talking
about this team and this town and that particular way.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, the point that Dave brought up with that was
a very good one is that it can be fleeting, right.
I mean, unless you're a team that's in the middle
of a dynasty, or maybe even the tail end of
a dynasty, like the Chiefs, but unless you already know
you're that team. And I guess to a certain extent,
the Chiefs are experiencing what it could be like to
maybe miss. But what is happening this year for the
Broncos is not guaranteed next year. There's nothing that is happening.

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You hope you're building towards something. But look at the
Washington Commanders. I mean, they are the example. And we
even said last year when they were in the midst
of their incredible run with Jayden Daniels and everything, it's like, boy,
they do feel like a Prime regression candidate. I didn't
expect them to be a three win team on a
six game losing Street Prime.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
The quarterback got hurt.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I mean it did, he did, and he's gotten her
several times now over the course of the season. But
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, there are people saying, hey,
after last year, Washington really has nowhere to go but
up and that would be the super Bowl. But here
you are.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
I think you're saying in a very long wounded way
that the Broncos need to take advantage and I'm just kidding,
Broncos need to take advantage of this year. And I
completely agree, and I think the expectations honestly, uh maybe
maybe maybe the locker room would not admit this.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Players are sometimes reticent to be completely honest. You're going
to say what sort of fits the narrative at the time.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
But I think I mean, to me, at nine and two,
and as Nick.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Said, you got Washington, you get the Raiders, I mean,
you've got You've got a chance, and to me, you
should set your sights not only on one in the West,
but you want to be the number one seed in
the AFC. Right, you get a bye week, and you
got to win two games to get to the super Bowl,
both at home, and currently they haven't lost a game
at home. Now, if you you know, back when they

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were one and two, if you'd had honest serum and
injected into the players and said, hey, you know, chances
are we're going to go on an eight game winning
streak and by that time, you're gonna have the best
record in AFC. I think that it said, man, okay,
we hope, so what do you want right right? But
you're here now. It doesn't matter how you got here,
So you have to focus on taking advantage of this

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opportunity that is and it's a great one this year
for the Broncos.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
I'm glad that that you brought up the fact of
opportunity because this reminded me of the time when I
was with the Broncos. You went twelve and three and
we lost to Pittsburgh in AFC Championship, and the idea
was like, Okay, well we good, you know, not not
the fact that we were good about losing, but we
thought that, Okay, we'll running back next year.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
And what happens is one draft j cler.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
When things happened in that particular way, you're thinking you're
gonna run it back.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
That's what we were thinking.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
But the attitude was like, well, Jake Plumber or that's
what it seemed like. We're being told, Well, he wasn't
the guy to get us to where we needed to,
so we needed to go get out, go out and
get a John Elway type of guy or a guy
with a John Elway type of arm, and it ended
up being Jake Cutler. And the issue was that was
that Cutler, as great as he was as far as

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arm talent was concerned, he wasn't great as being the
leader that we needed. He wasn't Jake in that particular way.
And in my opinion, and I can tell you stories,
but in my opinion, that started the downslide of the
Broncos organization. But the Broncos are not in that window now.
They now have their quarterback of the future. The thing

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that comes into questions, and we talked about this with
Steve at Water yesterday, is the regardless of where the
Broncos end up, this coaching staff is going to be
rated for sure, and how do you bounce back from that?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's only something to thing about it. I heard your conversation.
I actually agree with Steve. I thought he was ripping
you appropriately. Appropriately because you're coming off this win against
the Chiefs. You're like, guess what, Bess Joseph is gone.
We should start talking.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
That wasn't No, no one said that he was gone.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
The idea was that well, because other teams have been
in at the court, at the head coaching position, and
seeing how well he's done with the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
He's going to be one of those top candidates.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Whether he leaves or not, we don't know, but we
know that's what happens with every single team.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
So I wasn't pushing Bans Joseph out the door. See you,
I thought it was fun. I thought he just tried
to do your Ryan Evers thing, but it didn't really work.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
It didn't really work. I just thought it was funny. Now,
you rob an interesting point, and I've always actually wondered this.
So from from a player's perspective, when it comes to quarterbacks,
what do you put more weight on the leadership qualities
or the raw athleticism qualities.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think the elite ones have to have both. I've
always thought that the.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
I mean, the quarterback has to be, for lack of
a better, termed the pilot, right, I mean, it's got
to be every everything runs through him if you have
the right guy. I mean, look at look at the
most successful teams even the last five years. Yeah, and
I think we'd be hard pressed to come up with
the team that has had a hell of a lot

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of success that is still unsure about if they have
the right guy now the right guy in terms of leadership. Also,
you've got to be able to play right. You've got
to be able to show that locker room like, hey,
we can get this done and I will be a
primary reason as to why we got it done.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
So to me, you need both.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
But like Jay Cutler's that example, like as you're talking
about it, and I'm not I'm not trying to be
negative on Jay. It's just what you said about it
was perfect. We all knew about the arm talent, we
knew about the athleticism, but the leadership qualities of Jay
Cutler have been discussed for years, right, And we talked
about Paxton Lynch. And it's another example. I'm not trying
to throw any but under the bus. It's just an
example here of would you almost want like trade some

(10:08):
of that athleticism for a better leader under those circumstances.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I would say yes.

Speaker 6 (10:14):
And here's the other thing that I definitely want to
point out is I don't like the concept and idea
that runs rampant within the NFL where you draft the
quarterback and draft him in the first round all of
a sudden you take the sleep to see and slap
it on their chest. No, that guy doesn't know how
to lead. And just because he's a quarterback and you
the perceived face of the franchise, I'm not going to

(10:37):
allow him to leave me. And in this situation with Bow,
he's starting to come into his own. But there are
other guys that are on this dever Broncos team, and
I would say both on offense and defense, who I
would see as being leaders.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
And Bo can kind of work himself into that mole.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
But for me, when the rubber meets the roll and
things get tough, I want to lean on those leaders.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
I know Bo is capable of doing a lot of things, but.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
There's certain guys on at the side of the ball
that I feel is that the Broncos can actually lean
on and be the leaders. Like CORNA Sutton could be
one of those guys, could be one.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Of those guys.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Far be it for me to tell you actually played
the game that I disagree with you on this circumstance,
but I think it says more about a guy, especially
the quarterback, if he doesn't have the sea on him.
I understand about earning things, and we've talked about that
all the time.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, you got to hear of sea on him just
because he's a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
But you make it a bigger story if you don't
like from a perception standpoint, the players get asked about
that way more.

Speaker 6 (11:32):
The Yeah, but you impact the locker room when you
take a seat and you slap it on the chest of.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
A guy who hasn't really earned it.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
And I'm telling you I experienced that with Jake Cole, Right,
you just slap it on that. Now he is the captain,
but he doesn't know how to lead, right, and we
saw what happened when he was given the car blanche
to run a team and where did it go?

Speaker 4 (11:54):
All right?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
So tiebreaker here, Dave, what do you think captain for
a quarterback?

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, there's there's too much disindignation here on the topic.
I think I I would I would lean towards Nick
uh in terms of how a locker room. I don't
think because you are a high draft choice at quarterback, Uh,
that necessarily means you you are deserving to be in

(12:21):
the captain I think that. I think, as Nick said,
I think that's earned and and honestly, the smart coaches
I've always believed can get a feel for how that
team interacts. I mean, coaches are not in the locker
room all that much, or assistant coaches actually have more
interaction with their with their position players than the head coach.

(12:44):
But you can still, I think, get an idea with
some of the other leaders in terms of how that
young quarterback is interacting. But I but I would say, no,
I mean, coming in you you've got to earn that
from your especially from your veteran players.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I guess is more about an incoming quarterback if you
can't hurt it right maybe.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
I mean, how many of the starting thirty two quarterbacks
in the NFL, and I don't know this are captains
of their respective teams.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I mean, I would guess all of them. But that's that's.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Purely he's the captain of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, it was Joe Fla he was starting.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Honestly, I don't know. Okay, I'm not even sure, but
he's not even there anymore. So I mean, yeah, so
that's a that's another Yeah. I mean I get your point.
I think again, to your point, I think quarterback is
is the pilot. I mean, you know, you want the
plane to take off and land both safely and the
pilot is in charge, and you can't win consistently. Yeah,

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when at that level, at the elite level, and and
honestly even the levels below, unless you have that guy
that either is that guy on his own and I
mean he's just good enough to be that guy, or
you have built a system around that player and that
has helped him become that guy.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Speaking of the Cleveland Browns is going to start.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yeah, I saw that come out. I'm excited to see
what he can do.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, me too. What did you and I I don't
want to get into a hot take.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
What you need?

Speaker 5 (14:22):
You're sitting in the in the room. We're sitting outside
the front of the King Soupers. Yes, and you are
sitting directly in the sun. You were I'm worried about
some sort of melanoma. I'm just saying you are frying anyway.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
What was your well?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
And I dressed for more when the sun goes down?

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Flannel?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well, yeah, because I dressed for when the sun goes down.
This is going to be perfect. Good lord, I'm going
to be dressed perfectly in like two hours.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Be a sweaty heat. But Alicia'll look at yes, exactly.
So what's your question?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, because there's a lot of hot takes flying around
about what Sorg Sanders did this last week versus Baltimore.
There's a lot of people saying it was just an
abject disaster. And we seen backup quarterbacks have to go
in and spot duty and some of them sometimes do
sp and play well and sometimes it isn't so great.
So I don't want to get into a hot take
about what he looked like. I'd like to be a
little more forward thinking of what he can do from here. Yeah,

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but what did you think of his performance?

Speaker 5 (15:11):
I will be honest about it. I didn't see one
snap of that game in getting ready for the Broncos game,
but saw some of the highlights, you know, and everybody's
made a big deal, and I think there's there's validity
to it in terms of him not taking any snaps
during the week. I mean, you're asking a lot. You're
asking a lot for a quarterback. I don't care who
the backup quarterback is. You got to go in and

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play however long you got to play. You haven't taken
a snap with the ones the entire week, and I
heard he hadn't taken a snap with the ones the
entire season. I mean, that's that's just not going to
turn out well. So that's pretty typical, right, I mean,
the second quarterback doesn't get many snaps with the ones.
I mean, I would say in the NFL, ninety eight

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percent of the snaps during the week are taken by
the guy who's going to be playing that quarterback.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Usually they are.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
But here's why I say, Well, it's malo practice, coach,
and mal practice only half of Kevin fancers because you
have two young quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Neither one of those guys are veteran improving guys. Like
in the case that what Dave's talking about, you have
a veteran improving guy. So that backup quarterback, he's not
gonna get a lot of snaps, right.

Speaker 6 (16:22):
But knowing as though you have two rookie quarterbacks and
we've seen injuries pile up in the NFL and they
could happen at the quarterback position, how is it that
you did not give Sha Doris Sanders any first team reps?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Because if you go.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
And you watch the game, you can see some of
the things that we saw at CEU are showing up.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
But when you don't have that timing and.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
That rhythm that you've worked with with the wide receivers,
it's gonna prove to be problematic. And no, by the way,
the Cleveland Browns offensive line, it didn't make a difference
if it was Joe Flacco, Joe Montana, or Joe Dirt.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
It doesn't make a difference. Dirt, yes, Joe Dirt lulls. Yes,
with the mullet do it doesn't make it a difference
to right.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
But the idea is that that offensive line could not
protect any of those guys. So whether it was Dylan
Gabriel or Shador Sanders, they were going to be in trouble.
But scheme giving him reps, getting him comfortable, then that
would have allowed him to go out and perform well.
But because he didn't perform as well as people anticipated.

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But I don't know how could they have anticipated. He
hadn't had a lot of damn reps.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
So you're saying he was sabotage.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
You said it, but I'll repeat it again.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Hell yes, how many how many reps do you think
Jared Stidham gets during the week, And Jared Stoodham is
a veteran quarterback.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
The under Yeah, it doesn't doesn't get many, doesn't get
many of any.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
But what you said is Stidham is a veteran quarterback.
He's been in this backup row in three different places,
from the Patriots to the Raiders to the.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Demos, so he knows how to handle it.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
He knows how to handle it.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
You take a rookie quarterback who was drafted in a
fifth round, if you put him in that situation, you're
not setting him.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Up for no I think I think there's reason in
what Nick says is true. Anybody who expected shad Or
in those circumstances to come out and light it up
just doesn't understand football. But the reality is the Browns
obligation during that week is to get Dylan Gabriel ready
to be the starting quarterback.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
He's a rookie too, right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
You got to get him almost, if not every single
rep during the week, and if something happens, well, you know,
you know you've got your holding the bag of Dodo.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
That's it. Now.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
How many I mean Shooter is going to be the
start of this week? How many reps do we think
Bailey's Zappi is going to get?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Very few? Probably none or rendor you know, sprains, an
ankle or whatever. I mean.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Bailey Zappie may look a little better than shoulder did
last week because he's played in the league a little bit,
but he's not He's not going to be ready.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
See.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
I think with what you said, Dave, they're gonna give
Bailey Zappi some reps. Say like in a giving period,
there's fifteen plays in the period.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Let's just say Schador gets ten.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Bailey Zappi is going to get maybe five or three
of those reps in my opinion, because once again they
are preparing at this point, which they should have done
before for the worst.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Right. You know, Bailey Zappi is you.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Know works, You got to get your starting quarterback ready
to go.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
But once again, looking at this, in this situation, you
got a rookie in Shador Ry's gonna be making his
first NFL Star in the regular season game. Bailey Zappi
has been here before, so he may not need as
many reps to get.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Up to speed. He ain't gonna get any.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
You have to get Shador Sanders as many reps as
you possibly can during the week, and I mean almost
all of them.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
See, once again, that sounds great. You were coached, and
you're applying logic I'm a high school coach. Well, well,
the way you're still.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
A coach, right, Well, you're applying logical thinking to the situation.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
I'm applying how they think in the NFL. You played too, Yeah,
but but I played. But based on what Kevin Stefanski
has done thus far. Hey, to me, how many reps
did Jake Plumber before they drafted.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
J J. Color?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
How many reps did Jake Plumber get during the week
preparing for a game? I already know most of them, Yes,
most of the They're not trying to get the second team.
I can't think who the second team guy was. Well,
he was your teammate.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
You can't either, Well, we had Alex Vampelt, we had
Jake Cutler.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
No before Color. Who was the Alex wasn't the backup back?
Who was right? Who was the backup quarterback on the
AFC championship team?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think it was? Was it Danny Canal?

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Might have might have been Danny Canal. Yeah, I'm just
saying those guys, I mean, they had their reps, have
to be watching film and and taking mental reps on
the field as they look and see. Okay, uh, you
know I'm standing behind snap.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
What covers the end? Where would I go with the ball? Here?

Speaker 5 (21:04):
You know that's that's Those are the reps, the backup
quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Gets all right, we'll come back.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I have us more thoughts and questions on this situation.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
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Speaker 3 (21:16):
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Speaker 4 (21:20):
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
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Speaker 4 (21:27):
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No, it's not, you know, listen, it's it's hazardous duty.
I mean, it's not something that I drove in looking
forward to I accomplished it. I get a little bit
too much on.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Your eyebrow, the left eyebrow. I apologize for.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
That, but I feel like I've done my civic duty
to making sure that you stay as healthy as you
possibly can.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Is there a hazards pay for that too as well?

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Well, I've been at iHeart a long time. That would
be my answer. I know how the pay system works.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And if you get Carpal, Tulle or other for your
risk for the rubb, I don't think they're going to
cover that.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I'm just saying, oh, hey, by the way, that mole
back there, you said I should okay.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
On your own touching it again? Sorry, not touching it again?

Speaker 5 (23:06):
No, no, we're not doing that.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Uh Listen here, do backup quarterbacks work out extra on
their own to make up for the lack of reps.
If no, why not? Thanks really enjoyed the show.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
I think the answer Nick is yes, they do well,
Yeah they do.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
And and when I was in San Francisco, there was
a VR system that for Nick Bullen's virtual reality, yeah
versus reality. It was great for him and I actually
sat in on a session with him where when Jimmy
Garoppolo took all the first team reps, he was able
to go back and watch the same reps and just
figure out how he would have himself made certain decisions.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
So VR technology should be using NFL.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
And if you have a backup quarterback on multiple then
at that give those guys an opportunity to get those
live rep that they didn't get in actual practice.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
One hundred percent. One more thing on on door, And
then I want to ask you guys about Brandon Cooks,
who looks like he's going to be released from the
New Orleans Saints, if we have interest here. But with Shador,
I'm trying to in my mind, I guess, compartmentalized or
contextualize the situation he's walking into. He's on a two
and eight team. Now they are also playing a two
and eight team in the Raiders this weekend. But how

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much do you judge a performance from a young quarterback
coming into a situation like that where it's understanding the
team is not performing well. If he plays great, then
that's that's awesome. But if he plays poorly, I know
I'm not going to like, Okay, well, that's what he
is and I because it's a bad situation all around,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Well, yeah, it's a bad situation for both teams. I
think he'll be judged. I mean, I think the fans
will judge him if he plays well. It won't be
the fans leaving saying, well, he played well, but he
played well against Vegas. It'll be like, damn, he should
have been playing a lot earlier than he's playing. Okay, right,
I think from an organization standpoint, the guys that get

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paid to make decisions, we'll go back and look at
that film and they'll see how he operated, How was
he in the pocket, how is his timing, how is
his accuracy, how were his feet in the pocket. I'll
say this, I will be more than a little surprised
if Chadur does not play pretty well. I think Sunday

(25:16):
is a game that I don't play fantasy football, but
I would think chadur is gonna have pretty good numbers
on a lousy as you said, lousy two and eighteen.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Yeah, and then also you factor in you got a
Creesean Jenkins as you're running back and having a decent, physical,
consistent running game is a quarterback's best friend.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Having someone you can hand it to, you you can
dump it off to and the checkdowns. That's great.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Now comes back to timing and rhythm, which should be
better than it was in the game against Baltimore. But
now I want to see how creative Kevins and Fancy
will be. Knowing as though Chador is now your starter,
can you cater your game plan to fit his skill set?
And that's what you're supposed to do as a coach.
But I know some coaches are held bent on hey,

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here is my system, you run my system.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
But to me, I don't subscribe to the idea because
your job as a coach is try to get.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
The best performance out of your player and the only
way you can do that is by doing what they
know how to do or what they excel they're doing.
So I expect to see a better performance from Shador,
even though it is against the Raiders. But to me,
once again, you play who was in front of you.
You just want to make sure that hey listen the performance. Now,
with a full week of work, it should look a

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whole lot better.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I certainly hope. So I think we're all rooting for him.
I want to ask you about Brandon Cooks. As he
requested a release from the New Orleans Saints today, they
honored that he is subject to waivers, even as the
best have better found out that after the trade deadline
you have to you're subject to waivers. So, by the way,
speaking of that trench, Suirfield signed with the Arizona Cardinals today.
But so Brandon Cooks. It's an interesting deal, right. I

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think a lot of Broncos fans wanted the Broncos to
be more aggressive towards wide receiver, maybe at the trade deadline.
Maybe that's more of an off season conversation. If you
do say claim him off waivers, you bring him in,
what would that mean for the receiving room or do
you have interest in that at all?

Speaker 5 (27:16):
First of all, I have always thought Brandon Cooks was
a was a very good receiver.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I know that he really.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
I mean, he hasn't had a lot of national attention,
but every since he's played on a whole bunch of teams,
But every single team he goes to, he produces. I'm
not sitting here in front of of his numbers, but
his career numbers I think would substantiate that he's still
at his age, can run, He's still able to take

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the top off coverages. So for me, it would boil
down to what am I going to do with Marvin Mims?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Am I am I?

Speaker 5 (27:57):
If I'm Sean Payton, am I going to incorprate Marvin
Mims more? In the offense? I think Marvin had How
many snaps did Marvin Mims had against the Chiefs? Maybe ten?
I mean he didn't he didn't have many. So if
if you've come to the conclusion, which which last year,
in the second half of the year, Marvin became a
really big part of this offense, right but for whatever reason,

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and he had the concussion, I get that, but he
didn't have a concussion on Sunday. He had fifteen fifteen
snaps sorry sixty two.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
If you've come to the conclusion that he's.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
So valuable on special teams, that we're going to limit
his opportunities on offense. He's not going to be a
guy that will get tick like Franklin and like Bryant. Okay, first,
if that's the case, you probably overdrafted him. But second,
if that's the case, then I would have an interest

(28:49):
in seeing seeing about Brandon Cooks.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I mean I really would.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
If you're saying, if you're Chean Payton, you're saying, hey, listen,
we love Mems. It's just we're we're just trying to
get him. That'll back end. He's going to be a
big part of what we do this last or these
last six games. Then I probably pass on Cooks.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
I like the idea of a veteran in that room.
I like and the guy that has had runs into
the postseason. I mean, that's that's the reason for me
more than anything more than a and I completely agree
with you because they similar type of wide receiver, especially
what they bring as far as their speed goes. That's
my lean is the veteran presence.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
I just every time I think of Brandon Cooks and
watch a game that he's playing in, he's always opened.
He's opened the middlefield. Yep, he runs a nine route,
he's behind the defensive back. You know he's always making.
I have no idea how many career catches he has,
but he has been a productive receiver for most, if

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not all, of his career.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I don't think the Broncos actually need Brandon Cooks.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
The idea is that you have a bevy of young
wide receivers on your team, and you have a veteran
guy already got two of them. I mean call a
sudden being your wide receiver one. But you wouldn't really
think of it if you look at the targets and
receptions of the past couple of weeks. Goinger Troy Franklin.
And then the whole issue with with Marvin Mahms. I

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don't know what the problem is internally, but I know
that every time that I watch him on vertical passes,
he's open. Now, you go back to the Chargers game,
there was one where you know there was Sue one
to call it and one to Marvin Mamms that both
could not connect. On the coaching point for me would

(30:33):
have been for Marvin is don't reach out for your
hands right away because it slows you down. But we
sho't We see that the exposiveness is that we see
it on every special team's type of play, and even
last year, like Dave mentioned, we didn't see Marvin Mams
utilize that much. Then we saw in the in the
game against the Bengals too exposed to plays. So the
question is why is he not playing more in that

(30:56):
particular way? And I don't think it's concussion wise, No, I.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Don't think so. I there, we'll come back to this season.
Seven hundred and twenty nine receptions, nine six hundred and
ninety seven yards. He's three hundred three yards away from
ten thousand.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
So what's what's the average per catch over the course
of his career?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Thirteen point three.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
That's not bad.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
That's pretty I mean, that's that's not bad. Again, to reiterate,
if if Memes is gonna get some more tick and
they're gonna use him, then I would say no. But
if you're not, and Mems is, you know a guy
that gets a few plays here and at jet sweep Here,
you've got Franklin, You've got Pat Portland, Pat Bryant. Who's

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who's next? Little Jordan Humphrey. Well, they brought him back
for a reason because he blocks and he's good on
special teams. Yeah, I would take a look if Memes
was not in my sort of forecast.

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Speaker 4 (32:36):
Had a lot of.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Broncos fans already coming up and showing us their Broncos gear,
which was pretty cool, and we're obviously going to continue
to talk about the Broncos all things Colorado sports throughout
the rest of the afternoon. A couple of texts, and
this is why, I mean, this is why I love
sports talk radio for the most part, but also I
love our listeners. Back to back texts here, Nick ferguson
Dave Logan is right as usual, very next, totally disagree

(33:01):
with you, Dave. Why because Desmond Howard was a first
round pick and he was arguably the best special teamer
in NFL history. And I'm not sure about this, but
I think he's a Hall of Famer so and I
think that's a response that. The second one is response
to Martin Mims being overdrafted if he's just a returner
for you, and I'm I'm kind of inclined to agree
with that because he's been an All Pro special teamer.

(33:24):
He is not like even if he does very little
to nothing for the rest of the season on offense
and he just is an All Pro or Pro bowler
as a returner for you, I'm great with it. I
would bring him back here, I would give him contract
extensions to be that for your team. That is not
something you take that for granted when you don't have it.
And when he was out for those couple of games,

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we felt that field position, We felt that on offense
when the team went out there. So I'm in agreement
with the Texter there. There is really nothing that will
happen from here on out where I'm gonna view Marvin
Mims is an overdraft even if he doesn't play another
staff of offense.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
See, I've never viewed Marvin Mimes as being overdrafted.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Now what I will say is he being underutilized.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Well, we agree on that he is because when I
think about a guy who I played against who was
a Hall of Famer, Devin Hester, he was a monster
returning the ball in any aspect of the kicking game.
And Marvin Mims shows similar skill set. But that skill
set can be utilized as a wide receiver because you're

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creating space for him to operate. And I'm thinking maybe
maybe that's the reason that we've seen the Broncos throw
the ball parallel to the line of scrimmage consistently with
Marvin Mims.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
But I look at it this way, Ryan, you're.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Doing your offense, your quarterback and Marvin Mims a disservice
by having him to run those plays because for me,
he would be best served and it would help Bowl
Nicks in the passing game if.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Marvin Mamms is running vertical.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
But what we saw last year against the Cincinnati Bengals,
that wasn't an anomaly. I mean, coming up to that
particular point, Coach Payton was not utilizing him in the
offense in the way that I felt that fits his
skill set. The reason why I can't even begin to
tell you all I know is watching Marvin Mahms do

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certain things in a vertical.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Passing game, that is what's needed. And we've had so
many media members and fans complaining last.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
Year, especially this year about the Broncos not taking many
shots down the field.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
While I mean, you got a guy who has those capabilities,
and I know.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
Both you and Dave were talking about Brandon Cooks, he's
not needed. The Broncos didn't really need to make a
move doing the trade dead line, so they didn't because
they realized, or at least someone realizes that you have
the guys inside the building.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
The question is are you utilizing them?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
That's what it is, and to this moment, you're not.
So what do we take away from that?

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Well, what I take away from it is that you're
looking at your players and you're not put them in
advantageous positions.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Wow, is that stubbornness.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
I can't begin to tell you all I know, just
my football knowledge and being a defensive player and coach
that those types of guys in a vertical.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Passing game, they give you issues. Now, I'll tell you this.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I saw Tyreek Hill up close and personal, and when
he was in Kansas City, I can tell you that
cheat was real.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
He was real.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Right, And you have a guy not exactly like Tyreek Hill,
but Marvin Mimms can give you certain things. You gotta
utilize them.