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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How are you, Ben? Well? Are you I'm doing all right.
That's a nice hat you're wearing.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, that's uh is this an undershirt?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know? Rolled out of bed, walked on over here.
It's already in the in the afternoon. A little love
the day for the record, for the record.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
You know, you guys sometimes give me a hard time
about what I wear, and then Ben shows up like this, David,
you have do anything you.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Want to know?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay, that would be a hell no, you know what.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I mean even and I was a little bit older
at the time, but I wasn't. I mean, I sort
of liked some of the Backstreet Boys songs.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Okay, so you're you're more Backstreet than in sync?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Wan say that?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We need that one? Is that on Broncos Country tonight? Exact? Listen,
I love you and we're gonna miss you.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm just telling you, bro there, I know, I know
there's vultures everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I needed to ring tone for Dave calls me so well,
if you really would use that, dude, I'll sing it. Yes,
I might need that do it today. I'm a little
bit raspy the weather. Stay around the football said.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
When we do all the announcers doing the local calls
and then we're just.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Voice for the Rock. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
They, by the way, showing Joe Burrow like full participants
at practice.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah uh, he was like maybe maybe just when this
injury happened, it was like maybe December that this actually
does have some Broncos ties to it because the Bengals
are playing the Patriots this week.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, well they said he's going to go. I do
I was. I wasn't told. I heard from someone who
heard from someone in Cincinnati that he would not play
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, now I don't I don't know the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I know the guy in Cincinnati's pretty well connected, but
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
I don't know if that's true or not. M Well,
we have an insider in the room, but here and there.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
They are cautiously optimistic and seeing how it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
So you think you will play?

Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think it's up in the air. I don't think
it's a firm decision either way.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah. So I know he wants to play.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, you know, and Gosh knows they they need him
to play.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
We would like I think we here in Denver would
like him to play, are we not?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, you'd like New England to lose. What what? What's new?
England's rest of their schedule will play it. It's really light.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Like the Jets and the Dolphins, point they do might
not be a complete gimme.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You're right, you're right, you're right. So they got Cincinnati,
then they got the Giants. Then they're bye week, and
that's by the way, home against the Giants. Okay, Then
they're home against Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, that that's that's no gimme. No at Baltimore, that's
certainly no gimme. And then they get at the Jets
and home against Miami. So two of.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Those games would be imminently losable, even for a nine.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
And two team.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, and you're thinking for you know, at Baltimore what
they're playing for at that time, that's right, that's a
massive game for them.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I would say the bigger quarterback coming back from.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Injury stories probably Jayden Daniels about him think he's going
to be back for that game, for.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
The Broncos game. I think he's going to be back
for that game. That well, that makes him a hell
of a lot more dangerous. I just really think he's
going to be back for that game.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Okay, I mean they've they've been experimenting with some different
elbow racing type stuff on the left elbow.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think he's going to be back for the game.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, the one thing I guess I would ask when
it comes to that game is will they coach him
or encourage him to.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Run a little bit less so they'll call it differently?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
You kind of have to write yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And I mean because Marcus Mariota, he had like a
forty five yard run this last game, and they've been
able to utilize his legs. But if you're Jayden and
Daniels and all the hits you've taken this.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Year, yeah, I mean, I think part of what made
him so good last year and the Commanders so difficult
to deal with was his ability not only to extend
plays but also be smart in how he ran in
terms of quarterback designed runs. But I can't imagine that

(04:10):
they would run him that that would be nearly as
big a part of the offense with him injured wearing
an elbow brace for a dislocated elbow that that it
was last year.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
And if you think Sean Payton calls a lot of screens, wait,
do you see that game plan?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, kidding rights created Ebosreen Kingsbury is going to be He's.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Like, all right, let me go to the back part
of my chapter here. And No.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was actually thinking about the quarterbacks from last year's
draft quite a bit last couple of days, because I mean,
you know, sort of a snapshot at this time last year.
You know, Caleb was he was he was having some moments,
but for the most part, it wasn't great. Jade Daniels
was kind of far and away the best of the class.
I think bo Nicks we made an argument that bon
Nix was was near the top of that class as well. J. J.

(04:57):
McCarthy obviously wasn't playing at that point. Michael Panics hadn't
started playing yet. Remember he didn't play until very late
in the season. So I was thinking back about where
these teams are at, and it's really remarkable how quickly
things can change. Because you know, you're Atlanta, for example,
who by the way, traded their first rounder to the
Rams that might end to be in a top five
pick for the La Rams this upcoming year. It's remarkable.

(05:21):
But I mean, the Falcons are in kind of a
weird spot because Kirk Cousins doesn't look like he has
it anymore.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, you gott to find out a little bit this weekend.
I think now he hasn't looked good. I think maybe
part of that was, even though he seems like a
guy who's so professional, but I think it would be
human nature to go into this season and maybe not
prepare to the extent that he had prepared in the
past because you knew Michael Pennicks was going to be

(05:48):
the guy now. I also think that Kirk has suffered
enough injuries in his career that maybe he has started
last year even coming off a really bad injury one year,
remote moved last year, and this year, maybe maybe that
it's really that football is starting to.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Take a toll on his body. So you're right, yeah,
so well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
So the Falcons not much, but I mean, it doesn't
happen much, but what it does, I feel compelled.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
To point that out. I'm grateful.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I just if you're the Falcons, you don't really have
much of a choice. You're gonna have to roll into
next year with Michael Pennix and I don't even know
if he's going to be ready for the start of
the season.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
That's also that's icy with an a C and it's
a partial repair, but it's still an a CL.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I would be.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Shocked if Jameis Winston was not an Atlanta Falcon next year.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
There you go. I kind of like that spicy Yeah,
he Moore who brought him in the league. Obviously the
head coach down there in Atlanta forgot about I forgot
about that time. I would be shocked if he was
in Tampa. What he was. I'm in the league in Tampa.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, So then I guess the Panthers will be the
only team left that he needs to complete the the
Bengo card there, right, because he's out, Yes, because he's
got the New Orleans, he's got the Tampa Bay then
and of course, yeah Atlanta, that's pretty funny. Well, how
about Minnesota for a moment with JJ McCarthy. If you're

(07:16):
the Vikings and assuming at this point they maybe not
make the playoffs, and there's a lot of pressure now
because it's coaching staff and as well as the GM
they all got extensions and everybody believes in Hey koc
can bring anybody off the field and or off off
all these recommention projects he's brought in and made them
look amazing. And here's the Stratton quarterback that has been

(07:37):
a bit of a struggle. If you're the Vikings, do
you go into next year with the undoubtedly we're going
with JJ McCarthy, I.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Would say right now they couldn't answer if if they
were to answer honestly, I think their honest answer would
be we're not sure. Maybe some would say we think so,
but I think generally speaking they would say, we're not sure.
So how the last whatever six or seven games play out?
That game they played against the Bears, and again, he's

(08:07):
a young player, he's been hurt, he hasn't had a
lot of tick, and so they're they're you know, part
of the process of being patient with young quarterbacks is
you know they're gonna have peaks and valleys, and they're
gonna be some games they look absolutely great. There'll be
other games it's like, man, oh man, did we miss
or what?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
But I think the thing that would be.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Alarming to me watching that game a little bit was that,
I mean, JJ McCarthy didn't throw it a lot in college,
had had a dominant running game, more or less managed
the game, made some big plays, was certainly made of
the right stuff. Great leader, but he was an accurate
He was an accurate thrower. And now in that game

(08:49):
against Chicago, by NFL standards, he must have missed on
seven or eight throws to what I by NFL standards,
what I would call wide open receivers, and the misses
were four.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Feet high, three feet behind.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I mean, they were, again, by NFL standards, big time missus.
So that that game would give me pause, like, Okay,
I mean, are we trying too hard?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Are we? Are we?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
You know, were gripping. You can't you can't do that
at any position, but especially quarterbacks. So so I think
the answer, again long winded answer would be, yeah, we're not.
If I'm part of the Vikings Brass, we're not sure
right now kind of what we're doing next year.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I mean they're not officially out of their four and six. Yeah,
but you're probably going into the sea. I mean, he
was here traft Pick. You're going into the season with him,
but you're you have a plan behind that.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
You don't you don't have this year where you just
you know.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You can miss Winston Well, I don't know that he
would be the start to the NFC North Sure, yeah, yeah,
we could check in with Tom Brady see if they.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Can clone him since Tom Brady's in the clone dogs.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
He say, did you hear about that, Dave? I did.
That's weird to me. It was in the middle of
like a really busy day. In the end.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
If I can't remember what.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was, let me ask this. You close.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So they I'm asking for a friend. So they extract
DNA from your living dog, They freeze it, and then
they they inject How what's.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
The rest of the process look like, what are you asking
for a friend? Or the DNA from the living dog?

Speaker 5 (10:22):
And then they sequence the genome there and then they
rebuild it and they do what.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Sequence the genome?

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah, and then they rebuild that and then they put
that in the fertilized egg and you know, so they.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
They inject the sequence into the dog that is carrying
the baby.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, you can do it. The dog is firing the shot. Yeah, No,
not the firing the shot. It would be the female dog. Yes, artificial.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I'm just trying to understand what Nick Jonas is saying.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
What Nick Jonas saying does love songs?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I actually like the Jonas brothers. I'm a do you
I mean, you're you're more of a musician.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I couldn't name a song. They said, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
What, I'm not sure I could either, But the stuff
i've heard, I'm like, you know what, that's that's actually
pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I don't think you can name a song either, but
I know they're talented musicians.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
So when you're marry the Game of Thrones girl, when
you oh the redhead, Hey he married the Redhead from
Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I'd like you made course now, But when you when
you resurrect your musical life, yes, after you know a while,
would I assume that you you would cover a Nick
Jones song?

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I mean, if I want to be popular, I probably
should consider that.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
This time is that of me.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Going like back to the nineties, when like I liked music.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Where they're buoying you tried to do a Beatles song
or whoever the hell you were it.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Was the Eagles us Sean Mullets. Yeah, another throw back there.
Here's the song by Matchbox twenty. Yeah, you're right, I mean,
if I want to be want to be popular, probably
should Let's do that add them.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let's try that road this time, Let's try the popular roads.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
It was a mistake to try to do a whole
consort of tumble one but covers.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Wow, that's one song down, then I go up again. Yeah, yeah,
you know it's some of.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Those songs don't really translate to acoustic guitar as that group.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
That that saying blame it on the ring that.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, aren't they they back with like a documentary or something.
I think the one one of them was gone, right, yeah, suicide,
but the other one is the other one is still around, okay,
all right?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
MILLI it was one named Milly and the other Vanilly.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
I mean that was I don't think they were actually
named that. There was Geno Vanilli. You don't know if
it is that Vanilli. I just want to stop. Once
you google that. Learned a little bit about love songs
could help you. You know, this particular junction of your
your life? Is that V A N Geno Vanilli V.

(12:55):
I think it's v Yes.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I see him sequence that guy he's got he's yeah,
that's got said, that's got some style.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I think about that night in Montreal. Just just think
about that line.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Okay, love? Uh what is this?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Gino Vanilly Canadian rock singer songwriter, it's the boot time.
It sounds in the seventies and eighties.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I just want to stop, right, people got to move.
I just want to stop living inside myself and.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Open for England Dan and john Ford Coley.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Oh look, he definitely got definitely opened for England, Dan
and John I tried to make that a.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
J juc Ryan doing this.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh man, he says this story later. Yeah, he's got Some's.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
The end of the talk show, but we're gonna we're
gonna send you off for the next break here with
a little right here right eight fifty ko a.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Uh wow, Yet I used to like me, man, I'm
trying to make jokes.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
But that dude, that dude had some overlap with with
England Dan and john Ford Coley.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I heard a little Beachi's kind of yeah, had a
little bit of everything, a little er yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, little Tom Jones.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That's good, it's good. Uh very quickly back to that.
I don't even know how to segue back to this.
I'm gonna go ahead and try chandle there. I was like, well, so, so,
I guess a big picture thinking about that quarterback class
is I kind of wanted to think about where bo
Nix would slot in with that group again.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
You mean if they were if they were redrafted. Yeah,
we're re stacking his last year it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was say it was Jade and it was Bo and
then ye know, then you got Caleb maybe, yeah, you
know that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Why would you put him out?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I mean realistically, based to what I've seen this year,
Drake May probably has to be a top the list,
probably number one his size. I mean, he's had a hell.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Of a year.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
MVP candidate, yep, I think I I would. I would
take Bow over the Chicago quarterback Williams. Yeah, even though
he was the number one pick.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Although Caleb Williams has I think.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Improved dramatically, and to me, it goes to show you
you get a guy that knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Ben Johnson.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
You know, he's he's lights light years better than what
he was last year.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
So what do we attribute that to.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
The offense is better, the scheme is better, his coaching
has been better.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
So I would still. I would still.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I know It's been sort of a at times up
and down season for Bo, but Bo's got magic in
the fourth quarter that I think is undeniable. It really does,
And so I would take him, then Caleb, that's three.
Who else we got, Well, we've got Panis is injured,
you know, JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Who else Rattler, the Spencer, Rattler and En in.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
The top, Jayden and Daniels, Daniels, well, Jade Daniels, even
though he's hurt.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I would take four.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Then I would take Pinnix, and then right now at
McCarthy would be last.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
I mean, I think that's about right. Certainly May has
to be one.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
I would say Mayor Daniels one or two, and then
you got Bowa, Caleb three or four and it's all flavor,
and then McCarthy or Pennix four or five, it's all.
I mean, I think it would be all flavor, just
depending on I think those are the tears.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think the weird thing with Daniels because the biggest
knock on him was his built.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, right, Like we talked a ton about that going
into slightly built. So here you are in year two.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, so here you are in year two, and what
is the storyline Jadan Daniels, hey man, when he's out
in the field, pretty good, not great, but pretty good,
but he can't stay on the field.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
They had some magic last year, Washington that even going
into the season and Daniels was completely healthy, it made
you wonder, is this is this a sustainable formula? Can
you replicate this year? How you got some of your
success last year? And I think the answer to that
was I don't think so. Now, you know, nobody saw

(17:12):
him getting hurt. But they had some games that he
was so good in the fourth quarter, the Hail Mary
right against the Bears. I mean, they won some games
where they just weren't supposed to win it, and they
go all the way to the NFC Championship game. But
can you is that a sustainable sort of success that
they had last year?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
But didn't that?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I mean, if we're putting a mirror up, isn't that us?
I mean we're coming from last year.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, We're coming back from thirty three down to the
New York Giants. We're coming back, you mean for next year.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
I'm saying that the Broncos are in a sense capturing
that same whatever you want to call it, luck, whatever
it is in the fourth quarter, that's sure, in that
same thing that Washington has.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
So but what I'm saying is.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
You're you're so If I say yes, then you're saying,
so next year, maybe they come back to the pack
a little bit, because that's what I said with Washington,
well sort of, but I.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Mean there's a there's a regression of the meaning.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
But but but the difference is that Washington needed a
whole rebuild on defense.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
They would not played a bunch of old guys that
didn't work.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, Broncos had built defense that's gonna have continent.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I agree. So I think that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's why I think it's it's sustainable now. And also
you look at you look at the Broncos last year,
they were one and six and one point games. You
figure that that thing is going to change some and
it has another seven to two, right.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Like the anti Kansas City thing where they're blowing it
up last year. Then they can't. They came twelve and.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Old last year and one score games, and now they're
one and I think one and five.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
If Bonicks over the course of his time, because he's
always going to be looked at compared to the rest
of that class, if his time here in Denver, hopefully
it's a very long career.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
If we end up just.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Saying he's probably the second best around that over the
course of time out of that class.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
But pretty good about that, right. I think you can
win with that kind of success too. I think you
can absolutely if you've got the second best quarterback. I
would say in any class you can have that. That's
a successful formula because you're gonna have success at that position.
You know, unless he's hurt, you're gonna get eight to

(19:09):
ten to twelve or more.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Years. Yeah, I mean it just feels like, I mean,
who's the best quarterback in the eighty three class?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Probably, I mean the most successful way, there's gotta be Olway.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I mean Arena was probably the best on pure
you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I think the best pure thrower. I think Elway was
the best quarterback certainly. Jim Kelly was a hell of
a player that got to four Super Bowls and lost
and they got beat Blackledge.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know, yeah, okay, career was Ken Anderson in that class?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, Ken O'Brian, Brian Ken O'Brien was a good player
with the Jets, But I don't know, you'd say he's
a great player.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
We missing anybody else. That's the only ones I think
that's Yeah, that's the five. That's the main one.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And Marino was the last quarterback taken in the first
round to Tony went to New England. I mean, Tony
Easton was a good player out of Illinois. He's not
going to be a Hall of Fame player, but Tony Easton.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Had a good career.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
John Olway definitely always the guy far and away. I
probably put Jim Kelly second, but only because of the
success that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
He ended up having over Marino. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean had like double the yardage Kelly had for
his career.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
You would take, but Jim Kelly's success, I mean you
were well I think this, I think I mean you
look at Buffalo's roster.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, how many guy and that's don't even get
on the defensive side.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And both of those guys are in the Hall of Fame.
Kelly's in the Hall of Fame, Bruce Smith is in
the Hall of Fame. They have any other defensive starters
in that team in the Hall of Fame. That's that's
four guys right there. On one of them was Will
Now I'm in in the Hall of Fame and not
Will sars Will I can't remember.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Yeah, hang on here, there's a they had a Hall
of Fame. Yeah, they had a special team. Oh the
small guy, yeah, asks in the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
it was like the years he is he uploads SI
senior uploads this.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Ye, But didn't they have a lineman Maybe maybe because yeah,
because we're talking about guy, uh my guy, Henry Ellard's
up for it again this year on the senior side,
and he.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Should absolutely be a really good player.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
He was.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
He retired as the number two, number two overall in
receiving yards can't snipped the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 1 (21:57):
It was great. It was great. Used to say two
checks in the mail.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Five six six N zero is our k Cobbage spirit
Hill text line. A lot a lot of reaction. Todd
Blacklety so he said that, uh that Rick was a
really good singer.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Did was Rick a singer? Rick Lewis?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, as we have a Rick in Prescott. He said that, Uh,
I don't know why Rick doesn't sing anymore. I still
think his jingle for Williams Jewelers his top tiers.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
There were so many people that thought that was Rick.
That's that's a Joe, that's Rick Joe.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Okay, no, but but they actually there were there were
people still people that believe the Williams Jewelers jingle is
Rick Lewis.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Right, Well that's a that's a Okay, Well, I didn't know. Yeah,
I hadn't heard. I had heard that bit.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
So it's good to know it's up there.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
With his corona marched out by the way. Our good
friend we used to work with many moons ago here
at k Mark. Of course, spend time at Buffalo. He'll
be from from Buffalo. So we were talking about the
bills in the Hall of Famers. Will Wolford know, can't Hill, No,
they didn't have any lineman. Darryl Tallely. Yeah, Cornelia has been.

(23:06):
It's I don't know that he's not in the Hall
of Fame, is he?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
But but James Lofton is one of their receives. Bbe
such a good player. Keith mckeller, Pete Metzler's uh, Steve
Christie kicked Cornelie's been. It's in the College Football Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Frank Reich was the third quarterback Jeff Wright, Phil Hanson.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That was a good I mean, thanks, thanks Stutter. That
was obviously, you know, a good team. I know, you
know they lost four in a row, but they got
their four straight times. That was a good team in Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
And to get their four straight times is almost as
amazing as winning back to back, you know, I mean
getting there four straight.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I mean that's Kansas City this year. It would be
four straight for Case if they got there. Now, I
still think they're going to get in, which means I
think they're going to beat Indy uh Sunday, which will
be tough, but I think can't say he's going to
get in as a wildcard team somehow, some way.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Also is good news for the Broncos. Not the Chiefs
being in, but beating the Colts. Yeah, especially if the
goal is to get the one seed.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yep, you start to look at this thing in the Broncos.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean it's entirely possible that they could be resting
starters in Week eighteen and have a first round bond
and that's against the Chargers, yes, which I don't know
that Sean Paige would rest him because he's oh for
Harball like one for Harbaugh in his career. He get
a last second field goal back when he was at
the Saints.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
That would be if they had secured everything. That would
be an interesting decision on his part.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
He strikes me, and they don't even know. It'd be
a great problem to have. He strikes me as the
coach that would want to play some I think you're starters, right,
You're not going to give like three weeks off, no,
you know, yeah, at least a half for something along
those lines, just to but I remember what was it.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
It was the Chargers a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
That was like Mike Williams got hurt against the Broncos
and then they had that last game. Yeah, that last game,
and then everybody's like, dude, you can't play your starters.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's always such a weird.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
They had a road game in their first playoff time
and they lost the Texans. Oh the end that might
be Last year was that last year? Last year was
the Texas where Herbert threw like four interceptions.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, that was lost a little. There's a lot of
on that one.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
There's a lot of wonder about the Chargers. I mean,
up until this game against the Chiefs. I was like,
we really shouldn't ignore them right there. They already have
a tiebreaker on the Broncos. But then they went out
and played like they did against Jacksonville and I don't
even know what to think about that team right now,
either team really, because the Broncos have both teams still
on the on the schedule.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
There's a couple of teas.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I mean, like, the Chargers got the injuries, you know,
that's why they did a couple of teams I can't
figure out this year. The Jags are one of them,
the Panthers are one of them, and the Packers, Like
you're week to week, You're like, what do you do
when you have no business? Let Carolina beach at home
and then you know, you go.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I just I can't figure out any of those three teams.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
The Packers, Uh yeah, they have the Vikings this week.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's so weird, you know, we season after season because
remember last year the NFC North, they had like like
two fourteen win teams there at the top, right with
the Lions and the Vikings, and you were just like, goh,
leave this is this and the Packers were a playoff team.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
They had double digit wins too, and they were the
third team in there.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I think people to follow the Packers would say that
the offense has been up and down and it hasn't
really been as consistent as they thought it could be.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Defense has been pretty good for the Packers.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
But Jordan Love I think I think Packers fans expect,
maybe even the organization expected him to be more consistently
very good, not even great, but consistently very good, more
than he has been.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
You think the.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Overall because I was listening to some of the postgame
locker room stuff in the Broncos after the winnings Kansas
City and they were, as you would say, righteously indignant
in the locker room about some of the coverage of
the team nationally speaking and people doubting them. Yeah, and
they were having some fun puffing out the chest, and
I think they deserve that after that win.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Is that fueling this team? Has that been a low
key bonus on why we're here at nine and two?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well? I think those are two different things. I think
it maybe maybe has been a low key bonus. I
think coaches at any level of football, especially in the NFL,
are really good at making their team aware of when
they want to what's being said about them. And so
I've known coaches that have their people go and clip

(27:31):
things that have been said about.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
TV and put them back to back to back to
back to back to back, and.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
The meeting and Wednesday Morning. I've just known coaches that
have done this, and the meeting and Wednesday Morning starts
with this, this is what the media thinks about us,
and then you get ninety seconds to two minutes of
stuff that you want to feed your team, and that

(27:57):
tends to I mean, you got a whole bunch of
really competitive young dudes in the locker room watching that.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
So yeah, I think it's that's a tactic that.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Coaches have used forever, and I think current coaches have
the ability, with the various number of outlets that have
opinions on TV and maybe even radio, to put that
together when it fits their narrative and say, hey, fellows,
here's what they think.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I would say that in the scenario we were talking
about where maybe the Broncos have things locked up and
they're playing the Chargers in the final week and then
they're going to be the one seed that might be
one of the rare moments, and I guess it would
probably take Bonux playing at a more consistent level before
we'd stop having that because I everything that I've heard
or read or you know whatever absorbed when it comes

(28:47):
to the Broncos and the way they're covered is this.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, the defense is amazing, but I have so many
doubts about the offense.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, I think I listen, I think that's I mean,
I think that's fair the offense. I mean they have
found ways to win games, and bow has been great
in the fourth quarter, right, but you want to see
more consistency through quarters one, two, and three. I thought

(29:16):
they took a huge step against Kansas City too. I mean,
he didn't throw a touchdown pass, but let me tell
you something. He was really good in the pocket, I
mean really good through for almost three hundred yards against
that defense. You know you can win with bo Nix's
effort and results many many mini games. The results and

(29:38):
effort you got on Sunday, Yeah, I thought it was
his best game.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I mean, like, I get the lack of touchdowns or whatever,
but it doesn't matter who gets the touchdown. If your
team gets a touchdown, doesn't matter if it's Jillell going
in for a one yard or you still scored a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I just thought it was Bo's best game. It looked
like a grown up game from him.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I mean you still work within some of those narrow
margins at times, right, I mean you needed five field
goals from Will Letts to be able to to make
this work.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
But also, I say on the other side of that,
and I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
To take anything away from Will.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
What's because he's been very good one AFC Special Teams
Player of the Week as a result. It's to say
that if they hadn't gotten that, I don't really have
a lot of doubt that this team would have found
just another kind of creative way to score more points, right.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
I mean they just do that like, hey, if we'll
let's miss the field goal, I guess that means we
got to go get a touchdown this time. That's that's
the beauty of doing what they've done this year.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
That's the magic when I when I said on one
of the game broadcasts, I think, you know there's a
little there's a little backyard magic to Bow's game. And
I also said that, you know, this year is feeling
like it might be one of those magical years you
can't bottle it. You can't even quantify it. But just
everybody in the locker room knows what it feels like.

(30:46):
It's like, we're not gonna we're not gonna trip if
we're you know, if we're a touchdown down on the
fourth quarter, we're fine. We're fine, well, because we're gonna
go down score and that if it's gonna get a stop,
and then we're gonna score again and we're gonna win.
It's just a it's a it's a confidence thing that
you just you just can't quantify.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
See yours to bring in his iPod today, an original one.
The look at your face, by the way I said iPod.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
He's like, he's like, I was a zoom man, what
are you talking about? That's an iPod? This zoom zoom.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, that was another one. The zoom ap predated.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
There that in my vinyls. L Yeah, vinyls.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Where it's at.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't started on vinyls. You you old people, by
the way the way you're dressed right now, should not
be arguing about the benefest of opinion. Man, you look
hipster like.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Way too much.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And again I just say, shower ones. Well, that's all
I'm saying, shower three times a day.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
He looks like a hipster if they were really into
donuts instead of coffee. Wows got roast jokes. Okay, wow,
we're opening up the mic. I mean, Zach.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Dang, dude, I would take out the iPods straight across
the bow.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
It wasn't you know?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, fine, that's fider Man says everybody gets one gets one.
Just I wouldn't check your credit card after this. I'm
just throwing throwing that out there. Ben has powers. Uh
so five and six zero is kway Commas Brayell text line,
h we got Nick Cosmatter joining us here at four thirty.
Had a really good article out there on on the

(32:27):
Athletic this week where I want to check in with
him on all of that. I find sort of the
topic and the discussion about bon Nixon about what his
development looks like.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
There seems to be this mindset of of he is
what he is, and.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's a difficult thing because it's her two, and I
think I think we can add all the qualifiers we want, right,
I mean, you can sit here and say, well, it's
it's only your two and he hasn't played his best football.
Maybe he never gets to being what was considered what
he should be his best football or maybe this is
what he is. I do think that I would bet
on and this staff and the talent around him to

(33:04):
be able to perform at a more consistent level. Whether
they get to the highs of top ten or top
five quarterback, like Sean said he thinks Bo could be,
I don't really know, but at this point they definitely
have to find another level now. Honestly, the biggest thing
here has got to be the running game. Damian Pierce
was released today from the Houston Texans.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
You don't have a lot of interest though.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
Something's off with him. He's just not you know, whatever
it is. And you know, I'm not privy to as medical,
but something's off with him. He's not the same guy
close to the archetype that you'd want their little light
on the three cone that they usually look for out
of those running backs.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
But you know, maybe at this point beggers can't be choosers.
But I mean, he fits an archetype.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
But you need somebody with a little hef to him
that can go in there and move the pile, get
you a couple of yards if you need to.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Put two twenty.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Yeah, I mean that's not you know, he's not bad
for that, I guess, but a guy who couldn't beat
out Devin Singletary.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I mean, what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, I'm not even going to try to make the
arguments that he is going to solve anything for you.
You're looking for a body type and he's twenty five
years old. It's just sort of you know, making the
bet on Well, what we need you for is this?

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Can you do that for us? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:12):
I And if you're doing that, I think there's a
couple other guys I'd rather have Damian Martinez on a
practice squad right now.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, I think so. Again, look that up.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
He had been Actually I thought he'd get released at
some point.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
But let me let me live that up.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
You know, I think if we're if we're just, if
we're just doing that, that's a guy that's right around
that at five, ten, five, eleven to twenty eight, you know,
round four or five on the forty time, around seven
on the three cone that they usually look for, and
he's right around those those numbers.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Le Broncos could have had Damien Martinez in the seventh round.
I already drafted running back though, So you don't believe
in doubling up?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You pay extra for that? God? All right, well, we'll
roll it right back.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I just can't even you.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
What are you talking about? You had to pay extra.
You gotta pay two draft picks.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, two draft picks. That's clearly what you meant.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Anyways, we'll get some of your texts.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
You as a lot of good stuff coming here on
the text le. We'll get to that next
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