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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five, six, six, nine zeros are Kae Commensbury hell text
line if you want to interact with the show a
couple of texts here. You can't quantify the it's factor
in bo has it statistically.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Lway wasn't great either. I mean there's a little bit
of that too.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I mean, you know, you're comparing different eras, and I
mean I don't want to talk about the cliche part
of that, but I'm just saying, like different eras and
what you were, you know, from from an athletic standpoint,
I take John Elway over bow Nicks.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
But yeah, but I also would say for what.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, I actually that's pretty much it from an athletic standpoint,
and a quarterback is damn play to John Elway. But yes,
I see you were point about this the statistics, but
it was again nineteen eighty three was when he came
into the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
League and we now live in an.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Era of NFL football where it is all about the
passing offense. Yeah, yeah, the Golden Arrow and it's it's
just a it's a different game.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I mean John arroway with you know, early on in
his career was throwing the ball fifteen to twenty times
a game, and seven of those would be a shot,
you know, out of that play action, out of the
eye and you were you're throwing forty fifty yards down
the field. You know, just just a different, different era,
different game, and not really comparable. I think it's funny though,
I mean, you look at some of this stuff, and
there's some of these guys out there, I don't think
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people realize how good they were. I mean, like I said,
Derek Carr is top twenty and like every passing statistical category.
If there's some names out there that if I told
you had more yards and more touchdowns, he'd be like,
holy crap, really, you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Know, like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I think one of the most the injury, like some
of the interesting things like Ross's top you know fifteen
and everything this was coming. I'm not that's I'm just
saying that's one of those names you go down how
far that was. He wasn't even the guy who want
to talk about like you're gonna know, you're gonna tell
me that he would be better off with the Broncos
and they'd be better off then. I don't know anything
about that. But the real thing I wanted to talk
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about was like Drew Brees. You know, you know how
far he and Tom Brady are ahead of everybody else
in touchdowns, Like, like how far ahead they are, like
excemely far ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, if you doubled.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
His touchdowns, he's currently had two hundred and sixty three touchdowns, right,
if you doubled his his touchdowns, that puts you at
what five hundred and twenty six He would still need
fifty more touchdowns to catch Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Wow. That that's I mean, that's insane you talking about it.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And again we're we're still in that and we're on
the other side of that era a little bit, but
we were. We were in the midst of when it
was Roethlisberger and Breeze and Peyton and Tom Bray. I
mean that they just threw the ball over the place,
you know, running game like whatever. Like I mean, yeah,
you have the Adrian Peterson seasons or whatever, but for
the most.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Part, it's all about quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers doesn't get the love,
but he's sixth all time in passing touchdowns. But he's
he's All Famer, so should be. Yeah, Well, there's no
argument against it is, I mean there are people he
never made a Super Bowl, you know, I mean maybe,
but then we got to do that with I mean
Cadan Marino made one and then like didn't do anything else.
As Rivers says, more touch sounds and Dan Marine. But
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of course he does. But the offenses he quarterbacks were silly.
He also had Hall of famers like LaDainian Tomlinson. You know,
it's a different conversation. A couple of other texts here.
Bonex is kind of like Jake Plumber from a comparison
other mobility stuff, somebody bigger arm, all this capability stuff.
I can kind of see the elusivity I'll get with
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I start of see where youre going. But Plumber was
his better athlete, Bigger Arm. Do you guys think bo
can rush for forty to fifty yards a game and
will be enough to make up for the loss of j.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
K and give him a chance to run for I
think you want him running that much?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well you don't, but you're gonna have to supplement it somewhere,
Like maybe you start the game with some readoption stuff,
like early on you get some some zone read stuff
with with Bow and RJ. You know maybe, but if
you if Bo's running for forty fifty yards a game,
something went wrong, something went horribly wrong, and and the
last thing you wanted your quarterback taking that many hits
that late in the season. I say per game, no,
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But if he does run for forty or fifty in
a game, I don't know, especially if you're in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I'm all using this as a small caveat, I'd say.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Down the stretch here, yeah, you don't want to make
that to design, But if you're in one off games
and you get a chunk run or something like that, Okay,
but you don't. You definitely don't want that dude getting
ten twelve carries a game because I want the ball
in his hands. Like That's the one thing I will
say that I've liked that about where this team is
at is you have a belief, and I know the
fan base feels it, and certainly the team feels it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's like you like the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah in a fourth quarter moment and say, hey, he's
gonna make plays. He's going to do the right thing
to put this team in a position of success. Now
the first three quarters, maybe you're saying let's get the
defense back out there and then see what else we
can do. But for the fourth quarter, that's why I
was so confident they're gonna win that game. I was like,
if they're within a score in the fourth quarter and
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the ball is in Bonix's hands, he's gonna make the
right choice.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I think it might. Mike Ripe.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Here is the way this is phrased, because he's talking
about forty or fifty yards a game, which is the result,
And I would be more talking about the process. Like,
you don't want bow having ten to twelve carries a game.
If he's got four or five, six, you're okay with that,
And one of those is a chunk where you get
into that forty to fifty r range. Fine, But you
don't want ball having more than four or five carries. Again,
you just don't want to. The last thing you want
is getting the body worn down at the end of
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the season like that and taking those hits Like this text,
that's a way overrated measurement for how good a player is.
That's not to use X sears that's coming at you. No,
I don't know if I subscribe to the way overrated.
I do think that if it's used predominantly, I mean
to textualize your productivity. I mean, we can always just
go with gut rating, but hold on, but it can
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contextualize it, either to confirm or sometimes to Well, you can.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Frame stats to do anything you want.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm just saying, if you can, you can use them
so to sort of contextualize performance, especially when you started
using them on rape play or a percentage basis. Because
I saw and I brought it up to day a
couple of days ago, there was a guy with it
at Dancy Analytics that used them to twist himself into
knots to prove that the Chiefs actually should have won
that game against the Broncos. I was looking at the
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scoreboard and one team had less points than the other,
and I think that's the team that should have won
and lost. That's exactly what he did, is he said,
based on the advanced analytics, And then I know Segars
saw the same thing, based only the advanced analytics, the
Chiefs actually made more plays than the Broncos to win
that game. Well, if they had made more plays, then
they would have made more plays. Something's wrong with your advanta,
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your analytics.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Something's wrong with your.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Math, and he moved him up on his power rankings
the Chiefs and he moved and he left the Broncos
at eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The what are we talking about here? Is this nick
right or something else? Kevin cork who Kevin Coley?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I has formula.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The funny thing about formula he had. He's a pff guy.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think his formula had the Broncos actually still beating
the Chiefs, but rather than twenty two nineteen, the formula
thought it should have been like a one point Broncos win.
And he was like, oh, you know, it was in
Denver and there were some funky things that happened, so
more of a Chiefs win. Yeah, he gave the Chiefs
the win by one, even though his formula still said
the Broncos deserved the win.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What's his name? I think it's Kevin Cork right, cole
yh Kevin cole.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So he sounds like a real quick soaker to me.
We interviewed him at the Combine one year, Yeah, we did,
we did. He's mean, he's a nice guy. But this
is where to the point of the text, this is ludicrous.
This is the point where we're taking math to take
like we don't. The games are not one and lost
with the advanced ratio formula that you know, the square
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root of pie. The game's won by how many touchdowns
and field goals you scored, how many you prevent the
opponent from them anymore?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Ben not anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
That's this is where you rt for the players to
play something out on the field and they'll look up
to see what their advanced analytics scores were.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Who actually won the game?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I thought I had a sack there. But not everything.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
By the way, not every formula some dude cooks up
at an advanced analytic If something's telling you that a
team that won actually lost, it's just bad math.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, yeah, I'm just he moved the Chiefs up
to the number two team in the NFL and left
the Broncos at eleven. If that's your opinion on it. Sure,
if you're basing that off some sort of mathematical thing,
I would your math has a problem.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The math is not mathing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, but I agree a sentiment, and honestly, and I say,
maybe this is a little bit of a Dave Logan's
work on me. Here the my when I when I
first started the show, I try to bring a little
bit of the advanced analytic flavor to the show.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And I still read that stuff. I still pay attention
to that stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But I noticed when I'm talking to to a former player,
a guy that obviously knows a lot about the game,
when you're trying to bring advanced analytics into the conversation, boy,
it's got to be really strong standing stuff. And most
of the time, I feel like the advanced analytics are
like one tiny piece of like a much bigger puzzle.
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So when you're using one of them, like say, well
I got the ZPA stat or I get this one,
you know, the dvoay stat, then you bring that to
an NFL player and they're like, all right, listen, man,
what is this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I watched the game? Yeah, so what are you trying
to tell me here?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Because I actually watched the game and I can tell
you that what that SAT is telling you or telling
me is not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well see, and that's what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I like I like to look for those kinds of
numbers that stand out in a sense that like, Okay,
this is saying this right, but I saw this, so
which one of us is wrong. Let me go back
to the tape. Is this suggesting that I'm missing something here?
Or is there math just bad? And most of the
cases I find out, everybody's got some cuty, little mathematical formula.
Most of them are pod garbage. But we all are
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a sucker for content, so we all, you know, we
all get into that kind of stuff at the end
of the day. Is this really contextualizing? Is this really
showing what a guy does? And is it showing it
across a broad spectrum while taking out the highs and
lows of a game. It's a lot different throwing for
six yards on first down than it is throwing on
third and four in the fourth quarter with two minutes
left to go.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And so, like, you know, evaluating those throws and evaluating
what somebody's doing in those each situation is different. What
DEFENSI are they thrown?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Is there pressure? You just can't back there looking to
you know, pick somebody apart.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So you know, again, there's a lot of cutely mathematical
formulas out there, most of which are hot garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I don't know how much arguement for that kind
of confirms my priors. He does it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, well, according to my Ryan ratio over here, it
said that you are going to agree with that. So
there was a really cool moment sort of changing gears
here for a second. There was a really cool moment
in an article with Jeremy Fowler. He does kind of
a I don't know, NFL week buzz kind of thing,
like the whether what's the buzz around the league?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And he was in Denver for the Broncos and Chiefs
gamp and he pointed out.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Something that we talked about during training camp, but I
hadn't I hadn't thought about it again until he said
something about it. But really, now going back and looking
at the focus the Broncos had on situational football, you
remember how they practiced a lot of situations, And he
said that when he was talking to some players, and
I'll reach this quote here. He says Denver was one
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in six and one score games last season, and Zach
Allen told me the coaching staff made that a key
point all off season. The staff told the team that
have focus on details and situational football would turn that
around this season. They're seven and two and one score
games and currently the one seed in the projected AFC
playoff field.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So his point and what Zach Allen said to him is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The reason why we're winning these one score games is
because we focused a lot and they really did. They
really focused a lot on it. In situational football, that's
the advanced analytics that matter, right for where are the margins?
Where are we losing the margins here? Because every game,
you know, fifty to fifty of it is not. But
you know what I mean, where can we give ourselves one, two,
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three percent better chances to win here? There?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Whatever? That's to me the crux of advance, and that's
what that is.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's saying, hey, we had some market inefficiencies here because
we're not maximizing situational football. So we're going to spend
this offseason, this training camp or whatever, hitting these situations
to make sure that we're at our best, at our
peak performance in these critical situations.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And we see how that carries forward.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And you can say, I mean undeniably at this point
that the Broncos are, if not the best, one of
the best teams in the league right now a situational
football fourth quarter, situational football moments when they have to
have it, whether it's a defensive stop or an offensive
first down third and fifteen completely a twenty yard pass
to Corland Sudden. They didn't blink. That wasn't an issue,
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and last year that was an issue at times. I mean,
they did have the drive that ended up being the
blackfield goal against the Chiefs. That could have been a
different storyline, but ended up being what has been the cases,
the Chiefs find.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
To win to win and teams find a way to lose.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
This year, they flipped that on their head, and a
lot of that has to do with the focus of
this offseason. And again it was one of those deals
weren't happening in training camp. You're saying, okay, well great,
but the situations will always be different.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I mean, you just laid it out what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Third and four in the first quarter versus third and
four in a high pressure situation in the fourth quarter
are vastly different discussions, and so does practice Third and
four in trading camp. It's tough to recreate. Why are different?
You know they're different. They we all know they're different.
But third and four in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
They did that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
They would do those kinds of things. They put the
clock up there on the board, and they say okay.
Sean would be standing in between the offense and the
defense and saying, Okay, this is.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What you need and this is what you need to do.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We need to find a way you defense, you've got
to get You've got to get a stop here, because
they're gonna be a field goal range offense. You've got
ten yards. You've got to get these ten yards or
else we're gonna lose this game. And I love that
they did that, and Sean, specifically to his credits, standing
in the middle of it, talking to both sides of
the ball. There's there's there's there's a confidence that comes
from knowing that you know what you're doing in every situation, right,
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And I think that's I think that's what that is
is versus last year, What are we doing here? You're
looking over the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
This year's third, third, and fifteen. We got to get
these we know what we're doing, we know who we're
going to let's get to play and let's go. And
and there's there's a value I think in having the
confidence that we've had the reps, we practiced this specific situation,
and we think we can go there again.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is not a long shot. This is we're gonna
go out there and get it, or we're not. Defense
is gonna stall them and we'll come back and try
it again. And so there's a there's a symbiotic value
in that. You can't put a mathematical formula on that.
There's no there's no you know, analytic or whatever it is.
At the end of the day, there's nothing there for
that other than we put the reps in. We put
the reps in for these specific situations. We got the
confidence that we can execute in that situation, and now
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it's up to us to go ahead and deliver. And
that's why I do have a lot of confidence that
they can close this season strong and put themselves in
position not only to win the division, but take a
run here.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
At the one seed.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, I mean, I still think they're going to lose
a couple of games down the stretch here, but I
pretty well positioned for the number one seed. When you
when you take everything into context with their schedule, opponent
schedules that can catch them and everything else, and where
the health or some of those teams are, they're in
pretty good shape to get to come.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Away with a number which games worry the most Packers.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're so hit or missed. When they show up, they
show up. I mean when they don't, they don't. But
when they show up, they show up Kansas City on Christmas,
that's gonna be taught.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's just tough anyway. That worries me.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And and the fact that for whatever reason Sean Payton
just he gets he gets beat by Marball. You know,
even with them living three more losses, even with the
living to finished eye had them as twelve and five.
So you know, I adjusted from the eleven win beginning
of the season prediction to twelve and five. Okay, now
I'm going to continue in the Kowa pick things to
pick against them every week and keep the thing going.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The Commanders.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Commanders are going to win ninety nine to four. By
the way, that's a serious, real score that people should
really pay attention to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, you are a dan Quinn guy.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Listen if dan Quinn wins, though, all y'all got to
shut up for a week, are you kidding me, every
every single one of you, that that is the dumbest
thing you Specifically, I'm talking about the listeners out there
who came after me when I wanted dan Quinn. You
guys wanted a young, fresh offensive mind, and boy, you
got one in Nate Hackett.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I've admitted that you were right about that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I've given you your flowers on that I'm not That's
not like I only got one flower and I needed
a half dozen. Why does you start by giving me
flowers for calling the Chiefs game last week, which you
still have not done on the air.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I didn't do that on the air. You came in
here like during a break you'd been like, you're.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I can't even say yeah, it disgusts me if you want,
if you want to actually say something beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You knocked out of the park on that one. Was
that as fulfilling as you wanted to be?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I was?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I was consistently. It's a little bit weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I had to ask for it, but I was consistently
over the course of the week telling you that I
thought the Broncos were going to win that game, and
it was for the exact read.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Belief or boldlief, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, so you And that's the thing, like, as much
as you're having fun with your bits, you have legitimately
picked against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In the Dallas, Houston and Kansas City games. You was
legitimately just.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Bought it in Kansas City, dallasse stop it. You were
talking about how good their offense was in the Broncos
offense can't keep pace, I said, if it turned into
a shootout, they couldn't keep paid.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes, I said.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I also said, because that sort of makes it sound
like I was leaning one way when I was actually
leading the other. I also said, already you omitted here
that they had the worst defense in the NFL, historically
bad defense, Joy Vampire.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, I'm just proper kind of so let me let
me understand this really quick. So we already know you're
to pick Washington to win. Yes, that's the bit. If
you will, do I actually think Washington's gonna win? No,
I don't. We think have Jaydon Daniels out there, then
we have a different converce. At least we have you
on tape saying that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, no, no, no, don't you If they have Jayde Daniels,
then that means you think Washington is.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Gonna win this game. It's a different conversation. If Marcus
Mariowne is out there, they beat him hands down. Okay,
if Jade Daniels plays.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Is, then we have to have a conversation. I don't
know what he's like. I don't I don't know what
eighty percent of Jayden Daniels is. You know that kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's a different conversation. But he'd be out there at
a hundred percent. It's a real conversation. I'm just trying
to pin you down something because I don't want you
coming in afterwards and saying I was right either way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Either way, Washington win, and
then if they waited, you'd be like I told you
all the day. But it was awesome, and then the
six game losing streak and they really banged up he is.
But they I mean, they made a mistake trying to
think that they could.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Go back by just patching that defense up with a
bunch of old bodies, and it's very clearly didn't work,
and they're gonna have to do a defensive rebuild this year.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You're maddening. I love you to death, but you are maddening.
That's sort of the point. If I just get if
if I just let you off the hook, let you
have it easy.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Nobody be listening right now, as far as the game
is down the stretch, you know, the Green Bay game,
if you're gonna lose that one, that's that's actually an
okay one because it's NFC.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, that's you know, it's they will lose that.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But I'm like, if I look down the stretch, I'm like, man,
if even Washington honestly like, and I'm not saying you're
gonna lose that, I think they're gonna win that game
handling because that defense is really banged up.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I think they'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But but the point of it is, if you're gonna lose,
if you have to lose anything, lose the NFC games, right,
You don't want to lose the Jacksonville Kansas City Chargers,
you know, like those games, Well, the Raiders, they're not
gonna lose that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But that's what I'm saying, like, you can't.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
AFC games don't count so much, especially in this tie breaker, right,
and in all these kinds of scenario. So that that's
the thing, like like Jacksonville, which of the which of
those teams is showing up?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Green Bay? Which of those teams is showing up? You
don't you don't know. And then Kansas City Charge.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So there's four games there that I'm like, have an
eyebrow raise the rest of these they should win, and
they should win Washington. If Jayden's out there, it changes
the conversation a little bit, but they should still win.
Now though, if you just win your home games, like
at this point, you just win your home games, you
get twelve and then steal one more and then thirteen.
We heard from Nick Cosmeator thirteen is the magic number. Yeah,
I mean, like I said, I think they're at twelve.
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They can probably and they could probably get to thirteen
if I'm wrong on you know. So if you win
your home game against the Chargers, Jacksonville and Green Bay
and then you get the Raiders games their team, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's enough, right.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But your home games are Green Bay Jags, uh and
what Chargers? Yeah, and those are the toughest. That's that's
the meat of those games outside of the Kansas City Christmas.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What do we do to piss off the football guds
and get that?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, it's not great, like Ben moonwalking on the text line, No,
Ben's Ben's consistently playing both sides.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He consistently plays both sides. It's part of the charm.
I'm just I'm trying to have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And you know, and you know how it is, like
if we're being honest here, they're gonna blow the doors
off watching Please be honest, Like they're gonna blow the
doors off Washington. Jayden's out there, it becomes closer, it
becomes a little more fun. But if Marcus Barrio's out there,
this isn't even a game. But it's as you said,
it's like an eighty percent maybe even less of him
because he's not going to be scrambling as much. Well,
and that's my question, like I don't know what he is,
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you know, I think that's the question in my mind's
like I don't know what he is as that you know,
at full strength, Jade Daniels, it doesn't matter what defense
they have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's a game that guy's just got He's like, bo,
he's got it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I gotta be honest, man, it's almost malpractice of that
coaching staff to put this Broncos defense in front of
Jayden Daniels. Like it's amount of hits, the amount of
pressures they get on quarterbacks, that would be malpractice in
their part. I know, I start to make the same argument.
I still think you try to win until you're eliminated.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's not trying to win. You always try to win.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
This if you can't win with Marcus Barrio, he's one
in five, Like, you can't win with him, it's it's
it's not that you're not practice.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They win with your backup. It's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You're putting him out in front of the defense that
leads the league in Sackson hits. If you don't believe
it aggravates the you know, if you don't think it's
I mean, even the injury he had was so off
the wall bizarre with the you know, the off like
if you don't believe it's going to change anything for that,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't know that I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I think you try to win, and I think you
try to play with the players. You think we're gonna
get you win till you get eliminated.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Lesson there. It's good though, I mean, like people have listened.
They know, like they know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's not like it's a secret, Like they understand that,
they understand the bits and the jokes. They Yeah, I
think they're smart enough, right, Ryan, are you calling our
audigan stum that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Right off the bet? Yeah, see how you see that plastic?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But uh, we have Brogos Country tonight come up at
the top of the hour. Is a low key, big
time game Thursday night football, Texans Bills. So and by
the way, the line has moved towards the Texans, which
is sort of interesting here. Keon Coleman Man back to
back weeks of being a healthy scratch. Yeah, you know,
you don't think, I mean, I think are they gonna
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move on from I mean, he's the first trying to
get them to do that. Okay, I think you've been
try to get them to do that. I would not
be surprised if after that season, after the season, they
do that. I and I would also not be surprised
if Brandon Cooks doesn't wind up there on their practice squad.
So that's where you go, because somebody is asking between
Brandon Cook's, Damian Pierce, Gus Edwards, who with the Broncos potentially,
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I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
They're likely to sign any of those three maybe, I mean, yeah,
I don't know. I don't. I think Damian Peerce is interesting,
I mean I really do.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But the only reason. Let me let me ask you this,
Are you saying that? Are you only saying that because
he's the youngest of the three options. But I think
that's the thing is people look at his age and
they're like, well, there's still some redemptive value here.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't think they care.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't think the Broncos care over there, because I
don't think any of the options that they would bring
in are long term guys. They're looking at somebody that's
up plugging, which is why I sort of suggested and
and you know, and again they'd have to bring him
in a working out see if he can still play.
But that's why I suggested Latavious Murray, because I mean,
you're asking somebody if they got six games on them
at this point. You're not really looking for a none
of these guys in the future here. Do you know
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why people sometimes call you a wet blanket because of
stuff like that? Because exactly because I say, because I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Say realistic things instead of like nonsense and.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So well, you just s don't let anybody like live
in the fun like there's there's we can't live in
a moment in a world where are.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Any of those fun though Am I really pooping on
something there? I mean, it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm not sitting here trying to make the argument that
Damian Pierce solves everything for you. There's just some redemptive
intrigue there for me versus Latavious Murray, who's like thirty
thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's exactly the difference there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You're you are hypothetically placing a redemptive arc on someone
that's young.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I'm looking for somebody that can fill the gap
for six games because I know none of that really
matters to begin but we quite literally know what Latavious
Murray is and what he is. And meanwhile, Damian Pierce,
he's a mystery box. He can still be really good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You could even maybe be Latavious Murray. I just say,
you don't let anybody have fun. That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I have plenty of fun. But I'm just like not
gonna sit here to entertain. This is like when we
had the Cooper Cup thing this this offseason, where people, oh,
this has happened. It was never happening. Cooper Cup was
not coming here. Cooper Cup called Sean Payton. They had
one conversation on a Friday, and Sean Paper was like, yeah,
we don't want that wash bomb on my team. And so,
you know, I don't think he said it in those maybe,
but yeah, I'm being hyperbolic for effect, but you get
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the point. You like, he had no had no interest
in signing Cooper Cup, but he wound up trying to
use the Broncos as leverage to get a little extra money.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Out of Seattle, which worked. I mean sure, and then
what kind of season did he have?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's been not But also JSN has been phenomenal, So
JSN Tory Horton, you know he is now. But I'm
just saying, like they had good players on their team
they went and signed Cooper Cup. But well, anyways, I
staid by my point that you are you are a
hater of fun and so and I think part of
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it is really comes down to just your awareness and
knowledge of the inner workings of the league and the
sourcing you tend to have isn't always fun. Right where
I get to live in the fairy Beckham back, you know,
or whatever? I got like five I got five d
ms about that. Of course, the last forty eight hours
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some where did this come from?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Why ould while he's now cleared whatever. But I mean,
but why but why?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
For what reason?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
No, I don't want to live in fairy tale land
with the idea of Odell Beckham coming here. I did
like the idea of Brandon Cooks that I made that
argument yesterday bringing in a vet into the wide receiver room,
some of with reliable hands, and I framed it with
with Nick Ferguson very quickly. I framed it with Nick
Ferguson as some of the inefficiencies of this offense targeting
Troy Franklin as much as they are where he's catching
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half of the passes attempted to him, Let's just take
a couple more of those and then direct them forwards
Brandon Cook's we'll actually catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You guys know Brandon Cooks and Shot Peyte hate each other, right, Well,
I didn't know that until you told me that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, And he has been public about his criticism of
Sean Payton multiple times.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Jo Paye was the guy who trained him the paid triots.
She's an a choir taste. There's plenty of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I don't think those are I don't think they're they're
gonna be peaches and irving it up anytime soon. Okay, well,
time can heal songs out there I've heard. I believe
that when I see it again, anything can happen. But
those guys genuinely did not like each other. You didn't
think Devon Vley to get traded either. I didn't think
anybody would offer that kind of haul for Devon Vley.
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Some of us had they instinct to know that that
was a possibility. Look, hey, and more power to you.
And I just I was increduling because like talking to
the coaches, that's like, yeah, we're gonna you know, that's
our third down, dude.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, And there's that Devon v sized hole in this offense.
I don't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I do. We just we just keep spamming Troy Franklin
with targets, hoping that he somehow becomes good.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I say that they're they're.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Starting to figure out that those targets just start to
go to Pat Bryan, and Pat Bryant is going to
be that guy.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And that's whether Devon VALA's sized hole has been But Bryant.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, yeah, anyway, but you've coined that term, and
I've now heard that from several people.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Somehow it makes the rounds.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then some I think somebody texted me or called
me like I said, you know, we have a Devon
Vley size.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like you've been listening to Bed you hate it with
it becomes the lexicon. Isn't it the worst?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Isn't it the worst? That is a joy vampire. It's
it's the worst. I'll tell you what. It's the worst.
When I coined something and it comes back to me
like somebody else injects it in a conversation.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Back then, I'm like, ah, yeah, uh huh, you've invented
the piano key necktie.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean I did.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I invented it with broncos be interested in Damien Martinez.
Well we just talked about that a minute. Yeah, Like
that was one of those things like if you're gonna
do a redemptive arc on somebody, I'd rather be somebody
who has a clean slate, you know, not to go
John Locke and Tabla rossaw on you or anything. But I,
by the way, you butchered a literary reference last night,
and you were talking about the iliot or something like that.
(27:52):
I did.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I was sitting there and I like I had the
reference cute up and ready to go, and then I
just murdered it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That much.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The odyssey is what you said, I said the illiot,
and I meant the odyssey.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We were out to tell you the other way around
any which way we were, and that was you.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You are like.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Prime archer. It's your like literary references that you just
like fumbled all over it. And I'm just like, what
is going on? Here?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Has been it's been okay? Is this a cry for helps?
You're having a stroke. We were outdoors. It was the
food Drive that game.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, doors. I'm like Jared golf Man. I'm like
Jared Goff, I need a dome. I gotta be indors
you men, listen, boss, you never go full Jared Goff.
You know Daniel Jones outdoors. You saw what happens Steelers. Hey,
I gotta be honest, man. I am a little the
Daniel Jones stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's these last two games.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
He's got one touchdown and four picks and twelve sacks.
We'll see how he does against Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But a little bit of the shine come off.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But then all of a sudden, this like phantom calf
injury today, he's limited in practice. He was fulled yesterday
coming out of the by and then a calf injury.
It feels let me, let me as a paranoid person,
let me put this in a way that I know
that you can very very distinctly understand. Riley Leonard is
not getting any snaps. I'm desperate. There's a there's like
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there's an inside joke here. Riley Leonard is not getting snaps.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But again, Joe Vampire, you're basically confirming by whole joy Vampire,
he could. You can't, but he could. Ryley Leonard has
never worked for anyone, but he might work for us.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, makes sense. That makes sense a little better on
that era.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Okay, So we got to Thursday night football coming up here.
We're gonna do our pick them here, show me the
money in just second here. But this is a is
A is a big game. Who's a bigger game for?
I guess is probably the question I want to get
to because because if Buffalo wins, they're eight and three
and they're only one game back in the New England
Patriots with a game still to play them. If the
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Texans win, they all of a sudden at the eighth
seed and they're five and five, maybe six and five,
and Jacksonville is six and four.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I still think Jacksonville's gotta choke that thing away.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, I still think they're frauds in that in that
thing they game away with that Chargers thing. But Kansas City,
you got Baltimore, and we keep talking about Baltimore maybe
winning the division. But the Pittsburgh Steelers are six and four,
So you think one of these teams is going to
be in there.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I hate to say frauds, but because Jacksonville has what
over the Chiefs and they've had a couple of nice
but they just beat the Chargers. They are another They're
a Packers team. Like one day you're you're like, all right, yeah,
and then the next day.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You're like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Losing to these clowns? You know, almost lost to the Raiders. Yeah,
that that's I mean, that's the Jaguars, the Steelers. You know,
one day they're there be somebody you don't think they should.
The next day they're losing to somebody they shouldn't. So
who's it a bigger game for Buffalo who's trying to
maybe keep pacing the AFC East or the Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I think it's the same. I think it's just I
think it's a big game for both these teams.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think the Texans need it to keep pace with
what they're trying to do, and Buffalo needs it to
keep pace with what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
On the one hand, I want to say that Texans
have an easier division, but they don't Buffalo. Does you
know the Buffalo has the Patriots and that's it in
that division. The Dolphins are a joke and the Jets
are even worse. The Jacks who got to contend with Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
And the Colts.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, well that Texans may beat the Ravens head to head,
so that helps them a little bit in some tiebreakers.
Who's going the AFC North, I mean it's Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And you know, however, you want to look at that,
you're completely rotting off Cincinnati if they get Joe Burback. Yeah,
I just think they're two three. I think they're one.
I think that whole I think that hole is too deep.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, probably, And I just one game too many is
what I think they If they had one more win
right now, then I would be it's just a weird
bizarro world. If they get a win this week though,
over the New England Patriots and they are home, by
the way, Joe Burroke comes back, they get a win
over New England, which would be great for the Broncos,
and somehow Baltimore and the Pittsburgh Steelers lose. Pittsburgh is
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six and five, Baltimore five and six, and all of
a sudden four and seven.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Isn't impossible, it not?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
But you're three and see you have a worse record
than Miami right now, you're three and seven.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Isn't that wild?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, like, that's a lot of ground to dig
when you've got Pittsburgh gets six and four and Baltimore
at five and five, and oh, by the way, Cincinnati's
a negative one hundred and six and net points in
Pittsburgh's positive fourteen and Baltimore's positive one. I mean that
either way, their defense is gonna let them down. There's
nothing they could do about
Five, six, six, nine zeros are Kae Commensbury hell text
line if you want to interact with the show a
couple of texts here. You can't quantify the it's factor
in bo has it statistically.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Lway wasn't great either. I mean there's a little bit
of that too.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I mean, you know, you're comparing different eras, and I
mean I don't want to talk about the cliche part
of that, but I'm just saying, like different eras and
what you were, you know, from from an athletic standpoint,
I take John Elway over bow Nicks.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
But yeah, but I also would say for what.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, I actually that's pretty much it from an athletic standpoint,
and a quarterback is damn play to John Elway. But yes,
I see you were point about this the statistics, but
it was again nineteen eighty three was when he came
into the.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
League and we now live in an.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Era of NFL football where it is all about the
passing offense. Yeah, yeah, the Golden Arrow and it's it's
just a it's a different game.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I mean John arroway with you know, early on in
his career was throwing the ball fifteen to twenty times
a game, and seven of those would be a shot,
you know, out of that play action, out of the
eye and you were you're throwing forty fifty yards down
the field. You know, just just a different, different era,
different game, and not really comparable. I think it's funny though,
I mean, you look at some of this stuff, and
there's some of these guys out there, I don't think
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people realize how good they were. I mean, like I said,
Derek Carr is top twenty and like every passing statistical category.
If there's some names out there that if I told
you had more yards and more touchdowns, he'd be like,
holy crap, really, you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Know, like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I think one of the most the injury, like some
of the interesting things like Ross's top you know fifteen
and everything this was coming. I'm not that's I'm just
saying that's one of those names you go down how
far that was. He wasn't even the guy who want
to talk about like you're gonna know, you're gonna tell
me that he would be better off with the Broncos
and they'd be better off then. I don't know anything
about that. But the real thing I wanted to talk
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about was like Drew Brees. You know, you know how
far he and Tom Brady are ahead of everybody else
in touchdowns, Like, like how far ahead they are, like
excemely far ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, if you doubled.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
His touchdowns, he's currently had two hundred and sixty three touchdowns, right,
if you doubled his his touchdowns, that puts you at
what five hundred and twenty six He would still need
fifty more touchdowns to catch Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Wow. That that's I mean, that's insane you talking about it.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And again we're we're still in that and we're on
the other side of that era a little bit, but
we were. We were in the midst of when it
was Roethlisberger and Breeze and Peyton and Tom Bray. I
mean that they just threw the ball over the place,
you know, running game like whatever. Like I mean, yeah,
you have the Adrian Peterson seasons or whatever, but for
the most.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Part, it's all about quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean Philip Rivers, Philip Rivers doesn't get the love,
but he's sixth all time in passing touchdowns. But he's
he's All Famer, so should be. Yeah, Well, there's no
argument against it is, I mean there are people he
never made a Super Bowl, you know, I mean maybe,
but then we got to do that with I mean
Cadan Marino made one and then like didn't do anything else.
As Rivers says, more touch sounds and Dan Marine. But
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of course he does. But the offenses he quarterbacks were silly.
He also had Hall of famers like LaDainian Tomlinson. You know,
it's a different conversation. A couple of other texts here.
Bonex is kind of like Jake Plumber from a comparison
other mobility stuff, somebody bigger arm, all this capability stuff.
I can kind of see the elusivity I'll get with
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I start of see where youre going. But Plumber was
his better athlete, Bigger Arm. Do you guys think bo
can rush for forty to fifty yards a game and
will be enough to make up for the loss of j.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
K and give him a chance to run for I
think you want him running that much?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well you don't, but you're gonna have to supplement it somewhere,
Like maybe you start the game with some readoption stuff,
like early on you get some some zone read stuff
with with Bow and RJ. You know maybe, but if
you if Bo's running for forty fifty yards a game,
something went wrong, something went horribly wrong, and and the
last thing you wanted your quarterback taking that many hits
that late in the season. I say per game, no,
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But if he does run for forty or fifty in
a game, I don't know, especially if you're in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I'm all using this as a small caveat, I'd say.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Down the stretch here, yeah, you don't want to make
that to design, But if you're in one off games
and you get a chunk run or something like that, Okay,
but you don't. You definitely don't want that dude getting
ten twelve carries a game because I want the ball
in his hands. Like That's the one thing I will
say that I've liked that about where this team is
at is you have a belief, and I know the
fan base feels it, and certainly the team feels it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's like you like the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah in a fourth quarter moment and say, hey, he's
gonna make plays. He's going to do the right thing
to put this team in a position of success. Now
the first three quarters, maybe you're saying let's get the
defense back out there and then see what else we
can do. But for the fourth quarter, that's why I
was so confident they're gonna win that game. I was like,
if they're within a score in the fourth quarter and
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the ball is in Bonix's hands, he's gonna make the
right choice.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I think it might. Mike Ripe.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Here is the way this is phrased, because he's talking
about forty or fifty yards a game, which is the result,
And I would be more talking about the process. Like,
you don't want bow having ten to twelve carries a game.
If he's got four or five, six, you're okay with that,
And one of those is a chunk where you get
into that forty to fifty r range. Fine, But you
don't want ball having more than four or five carries. Again,
you just don't want to. The last thing you want
is getting the body worn down at the end of
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the season like that and taking those hits Like this text,
that's a way overrated measurement for how good a player is.
That's not to use X sears that's coming at you. No,
I don't know if I subscribe to the way overrated.
I do think that if it's used predominantly, I mean
to textualize your productivity. I mean, we can always just
go with gut rating, but hold on, but it can
(05:32):
contextualize it, either to confirm or sometimes to Well, you can.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Frame stats to do anything you want.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm just saying, if you can, you can use them
so to sort of contextualize performance, especially when you started
using them on rape play or a percentage basis. Because
I saw and I brought it up to day a
couple of days ago, there was a guy with it
at Dancy Analytics that used them to twist himself into
knots to prove that the Chiefs actually should have won
that game against the Broncos. I was looking at the
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scoreboard and one team had less points than the other,
and I think that's the team that should have won
and lost. That's exactly what he did, is he said,
based on the advanced analytics, And then I know Segars
saw the same thing, based only the advanced analytics, the
Chiefs actually made more plays than the Broncos to win
that game. Well, if they had made more plays, then
they would have made more plays. Something's wrong with your advanta,
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your analytics.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Something's wrong with your.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Math, and he moved him up on his power rankings
the Chiefs and he moved and he left the Broncos
at eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The what are we talking about here? Is this nick
right or something else? Kevin cork who Kevin Coley?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I has formula.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
The funny thing about formula he had. He's a pff guy.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think his formula had the Broncos actually still beating
the Chiefs, but rather than twenty two nineteen, the formula
thought it should have been like a one point Broncos win.
And he was like, oh, you know, it was in
Denver and there were some funky things that happened, so
more of a Chiefs win. Yeah, he gave the Chiefs
the win by one, even though his formula still said
the Broncos deserved the win.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
What's his name? I think it's Kevin Cork right, cole
yh Kevin cole.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So he sounds like a real quick soaker to me.
We interviewed him at the Combine one year, Yeah, we did,
we did. He's mean, he's a nice guy. But this
is where to the point of the text, this is ludicrous.
This is the point where we're taking math to take
like we don't. The games are not one and lost
with the advanced ratio formula that you know, the square
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root of pie. The game's won by how many touchdowns
and field goals you scored, how many you prevent the
opponent from them anymore?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Ben not anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
That's this is where you rt for the players to
play something out on the field and they'll look up
to see what their advanced analytics scores were.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Who actually won the game?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right? You know?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I thought I had a sack there. But not everything.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
By the way, not every formula some dude cooks up
at an advanced analytic If something's telling you that a
team that won actually lost, it's just bad math.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It was pretty funny to see.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I mean, yeah, I'm just he moved the Chiefs up
to the number two team in the NFL and left
the Broncos at eleven. If that's your opinion on it. Sure,
if you're basing that off some sort of mathematical thing,
I would your math has a problem.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The math is not mathing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, but I agree a sentiment, and honestly, and I say,
maybe this is a little bit of a Dave Logan's
work on me. Here the my when I when I
first started the show, I try to bring a little
bit of the advanced analytic flavor to the show.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And I still read that stuff. I still pay attention
to that stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
But I noticed when I'm talking to to a former player,
a guy that obviously knows a lot about the game,
when you're trying to bring advanced analytics into the conversation, boy,
it's got to be really strong standing stuff. And most
of the time, I feel like the advanced analytics are
like one tiny piece of like a much bigger puzzle.
(08:44):
So when you're using one of them, like say, well
I got the ZPA stat or I get this one,
you know, the dvoay stat, then you bring that to
an NFL player and they're like, all right, listen, man,
what is this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I watched the game? Yeah, so what are you trying
to tell me here?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Because I actually watched the game and I can tell
you that what that SAT is telling you or telling
me is not the same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well see, and that's what I like to do.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I like I like to look for those kinds of
numbers that stand out in a sense that like, Okay,
this is saying this right, but I saw this, so
which one of us is wrong. Let me go back
to the tape. Is this suggesting that I'm missing something here?
Or is there math just bad? And most of the
cases I find out, everybody's got some cuty, little mathematical formula.
Most of them are pod garbage. But we all are
(09:26):
a sucker for content, so we all, you know, we
all get into that kind of stuff at the end
of the day. Is this really contextualizing? Is this really
showing what a guy does? And is it showing it
across a broad spectrum while taking out the highs and
lows of a game. It's a lot different throwing for
six yards on first down than it is throwing on
third and four in the fourth quarter with two minutes
left to go.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And so, like, you know, evaluating those throws and evaluating
what somebody's doing in those each situation is different. What
DEFENSI are they thrown?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
It?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Is there pressure? You just can't back there looking to
you know, pick somebody apart.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So you know, again, there's a lot of cutely mathematical
formulas out there, most of which are hot garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I don't know how much arguement for that kind
of confirms my priors. He does it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, well, according to my Ryan ratio over here, it
said that you are going to agree with that. So
there was a really cool moment sort of changing gears
here for a second. There was a really cool moment
in an article with Jeremy Fowler. He does kind of
a I don't know, NFL week buzz kind of thing,
like the whether what's the buzz around the league?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And he was in Denver for the Broncos and Chiefs
gamp and he pointed out.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Something that we talked about during training camp, but I
hadn't I hadn't thought about it again until he said
something about it. But really, now going back and looking
at the focus the Broncos had on situational football, you
remember how they practiced a lot of situations, And he
said that when he was talking to some players, and
I'll reach this quote here. He says Denver was one
(10:53):
in six and one score games last season, and Zach
Allen told me the coaching staff made that a key
point all off season. The staff told the team that
have focus on details and situational football would turn that
around this season. They're seven and two and one score
games and currently the one seed in the projected AFC
playoff field.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So his point and what Zach Allen said to him is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The reason why we're winning these one score games is
because we focused a lot and they really did. They
really focused a lot on it. In situational football, that's
the advanced analytics that matter, right for where are the margins?
Where are we losing the margins here? Because every game,
you know, fifty to fifty of it is not. But
you know what I mean, where can we give ourselves one, two,
(11:34):
three percent better chances to win here? There?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Whatever? That's to me the crux of advance, and that's
what that is.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's saying, hey, we had some market inefficiencies here because
we're not maximizing situational football. So we're going to spend
this offseason, this training camp or whatever, hitting these situations
to make sure that we're at our best, at our
peak performance in these critical situations.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And we see how that carries forward.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And you can say, I mean undeniably at this point
that the Broncos are, if not the best, one of
the best teams in the league right now a situational
football fourth quarter, situational football moments when they have to
have it, whether it's a defensive stop or an offensive
first down third and fifteen completely a twenty yard pass
to Corland Sudden. They didn't blink. That wasn't an issue,
(12:18):
and last year that was an issue at times. I mean,
they did have the drive that ended up being the
blackfield goal against the Chiefs. That could have been a
different storyline, but ended up being what has been the cases,
the Chiefs find.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
To win to win and teams find a way to lose.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
This year, they flipped that on their head, and a
lot of that has to do with the focus of
this offseason. And again it was one of those deals
weren't happening in training camp. You're saying, okay, well great,
but the situations will always be different.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I mean, you just laid it out what it is.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Third and four in the first quarter versus third and
four in a high pressure situation in the fourth quarter
are vastly different discussions, and so does practice Third and
four in trading camp. It's tough to recreate. Why are different?
You know they're different. They we all know they're different.
But third and four in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
They did that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
They would do those kinds of things. They put the
clock up there on the board, and they say okay.
Sean would be standing in between the offense and the
defense and saying, Okay, this is.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What you need and this is what you need to do.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
We need to find a way you defense, you've got
to get You've got to get a stop here, because
they're gonna be a field goal range offense. You've got
ten yards. You've got to get these ten yards or
else we're gonna lose this game. And I love that
they did that, and Sean, specifically to his credits, standing
in the middle of it, talking to both sides of
the ball. There's there's there's there's a confidence that comes
from knowing that you know what you're doing in every situation, right,
(13:41):
And I think that's I think that's what that is
is versus last year, What are we doing here? You're
looking over the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
They're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
This year's third, third, and fifteen. We got to get
these we know what we're doing, we know who we're
going to let's get to play and let's go. And
and there's there's a value I think in having the
confidence that we've had the reps, we practiced this specific situation,
and we think we can go there again.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
This is not a long shot. This is we're gonna
go out there and get it, or we're not. Defense
is gonna stall them and we'll come back and try
it again. And so there's a there's a symbiotic value
in that. You can't put a mathematical formula on that.
There's no there's no you know, analytic or whatever it is.
At the end of the day, there's nothing there for
that other than we put the reps in. We put
the reps in for these specific situations. We got the
confidence that we can execute in that situation, and now
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it's up to us to go ahead and deliver. And
that's why I do have a lot of confidence that
they can close this season strong and put themselves in
position not only to win the division, but take a
run here.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
At the one seed.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, I mean, I still think they're going to lose
a couple of games down the stretch here, but I
pretty well positioned for the number one seed. When you
when you take everything into context with their schedule, opponent
schedules that can catch them and everything else, and where
the health or some of those teams are, they're in
pretty good shape to get to come.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Away with a number which games worry the most Packers.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're so hit or missed. When they show up, they
show up. I mean when they don't, they don't. But
when they show up, they show up Kansas City on Christmas,
that's gonna be taught.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's just tough anyway. That worries me.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And and the fact that for whatever reason Sean Payton
just he gets he gets beat by Marball. You know,
even with them living three more losses, even with the
living to finished eye had them as twelve and five.
So you know, I adjusted from the eleven win beginning
of the season prediction to twelve and five. Okay, now
I'm going to continue in the Kowa pick things to
pick against them every week and keep the thing going.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
The Commanders.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Commanders are going to win ninety nine to four. By
the way, that's a serious, real score that people should
really pay attention to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, you are a dan Quinn guy.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Listen if dan Quinn wins, though, all y'all got to
shut up for a week, are you kidding me, every
every single one of you, that that is the dumbest
thing you Specifically, I'm talking about the listeners out there
who came after me when I wanted dan Quinn. You
guys wanted a young, fresh offensive mind, and boy, you
got one in Nate Hackett.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I've admitted that you were right about that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I've given you your flowers on that I'm not That's
not like I only got one flower and I needed
a half dozen. Why does you start by giving me
flowers for calling the Chiefs game last week, which you
still have not done on the air.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I didn't do that on the air. You came in
here like during a break you'd been like, you're.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I can't even say yeah, it disgusts me if you want,
if you want to actually say something beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You knocked out of the park on that one. Was
that as fulfilling as you wanted to be?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I was?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I was consistently. It's a little bit weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I had to ask for it, but I was consistently
over the course of the week telling you that I
thought the Broncos were going to win that game, and
it was for the exact read.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Belief or boldlief, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, so you And that's the thing, like, as much
as you're having fun with your bits, you have legitimately
picked against the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In the Dallas, Houston and Kansas City games. You was
legitimately just.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Bought it in Kansas City, dallasse stop it. You were
talking about how good their offense was in the Broncos
offense can't keep pace, I said, if it turned into
a shootout, they couldn't keep paid.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yes, I said.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I also said, because that sort of makes it sound
like I was leaning one way when I was actually
leading the other. I also said, already you omitted here
that they had the worst defense in the NFL, historically
bad defense, Joy Vampire.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, I'm just proper kind of so let me let
me understand this really quick. So we already know you're
to pick Washington to win. Yes, that's the bit. If
you will, do I actually think Washington's gonna win? No,
I don't. We think have Jaydon Daniels out there, then
we have a different converce. At least we have you
on tape saying that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, no, no, no, don't you If they have Jayde Daniels,
then that means you think Washington is.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Gonna win this game. It's a different conversation. If Marcus
Mariowne is out there, they beat him hands down. Okay,
if Jade Daniels plays.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Is, then we have to have a conversation. I don't
know what he's like. I don't I don't know what
eighty percent of Jayden Daniels is. You know that kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's a different conversation. But he'd be out there at
a hundred percent. It's a real conversation. I'm just trying
to pin you down something because I don't want you
coming in afterwards and saying I was right either way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Either way, Washington win, and
then if they waited, you'd be like I told you
all the day. But it was awesome, and then the
six game losing streak and they really banged up he is.
But they I mean, they made a mistake trying to
think that they could.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Go back by just patching that defense up with a
bunch of old bodies, and it's very clearly didn't work,
and they're gonna have to do a defensive rebuild this year.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You're maddening. I love you to death, but you are maddening.
That's sort of the point. If I just get if
if I just let you off the hook, let you
have it easy.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Nobody be listening right now, as far as the game
is down the stretch, you know, the Green Bay game,
if you're gonna lose that one, that's that's actually an
okay one because it's NFC.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, that's you know, it's they will lose that.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But I'm like, if I look down the stretch, I'm like, man,
if even Washington honestly like, and I'm not saying you're
gonna lose that, I think they're gonna win that game
handling because that defense is really banged up.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I think they'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
But but the point of it is, if you're gonna lose,
if you have to lose anything, lose the NFC games, right,
You don't want to lose the Jacksonville Kansas City Chargers,
you know, like those games, Well, the Raiders, they're not
gonna lose that.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
But that's what I'm saying, like, you can't.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
AFC games don't count so much, especially in this tie breaker, right,
and in all these kinds of scenario. So that that's
the thing, like like Jacksonville, which of the which of
those teams is showing up?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Green Bay? Which of those teams is showing up? You
don't you don't know. And then Kansas City Charge.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So there's four games there that I'm like, have an
eyebrow raise the rest of these they should win, and
they should win Washington. If Jayden's out there, it changes
the conversation a little bit, but they should still win.
Now though, if you just win your home games, like
at this point, you just win your home games, you
get twelve and then steal one more and then thirteen.
We heard from Nick Cosmeator thirteen is the magic number. Yeah,
I mean, like I said, I think they're at twelve.
(19:15):
They can probably and they could probably get to thirteen
if I'm wrong on you know. So if you win
your home game against the Chargers, Jacksonville and Green Bay
and then you get the Raiders games their team, that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's enough, right.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But your home games are Green Bay Jags, uh and
what Chargers? Yeah, and those are the toughest. That's that's
the meat of those games outside of the Kansas City Christmas.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What do we do to piss off the football guds
and get that?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, it's not great, like Ben moonwalking on the text line, No,
Ben's Ben's consistently playing both sides.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He consistently plays both sides. It's part of the charm.
I'm just I'm trying to have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And you know, and you know how it is, like
if we're being honest here, they're gonna blow the doors
off watching Please be honest, Like they're gonna blow the
doors off Washington. Jayden's out there, it becomes closer, it
becomes a little more fun. But if Marcus Barrio's out there,
this isn't even a game. But it's as you said,
it's like an eighty percent maybe even less of him
because he's not going to be scrambling as much. Well,
and that's my question, like I don't know what he is,
(20:11):
you know, I think that's the question in my mind's
like I don't know what he is as that you know,
at full strength, Jade Daniels, it doesn't matter what defense
they have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's a game that guy's just got He's like, bo,
he's got it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I gotta be honest, man, it's almost malpractice of that
coaching staff to put this Broncos defense in front of
Jayden Daniels. Like it's amount of hits, the amount of
pressures they get on quarterbacks, that would be malpractice in
their part. I know, I start to make the same argument.
I still think you try to win until you're eliminated.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's not trying to win. You always try to win.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
This if you can't win with Marcus Barrio, he's one
in five, Like, you can't win with him, it's it's
it's not that you're not practice.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They win with your backup. It's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You're putting him out in front of the defense that
leads the league in Sackson hits. If you don't believe
it aggravates the you know, if you don't think it's
I mean, even the injury he had was so off
the wall bizarre with the you know, the off like
if you don't believe it's going to change anything for that,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I don't know that I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I think you try to win, and I think you
try to play with the players. You think we're gonna
get you win till you get eliminated.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Lesson there. It's good though, I mean, like people have listened.
They know, like they know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's not like it's a secret, Like they understand that,
they understand the bits and the jokes. They Yeah, I
think they're smart enough, right, Ryan, are you calling our
audigan stum that.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Right off the bet? Yeah, see how you see that plastic?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But uh, we have Brogos Country tonight come up at
the top of the hour. Is a low key, big
time game Thursday night football, Texans Bills. So and by
the way, the line has moved towards the Texans, which
is sort of interesting here. Keon Coleman Man back to
back weeks of being a healthy scratch. Yeah, you know,
you don't think, I mean, I think are they gonna
(21:53):
move on from I mean, he's the first trying to
get them to do that. Okay, I think you've been
try to get them to do that. I would not
be surprised if after that season, after the season, they
do that. I and I would also not be surprised
if Brandon Cooks doesn't wind up there on their practice squad.
So that's where you go, because somebody is asking between
Brandon Cook's, Damian Pierce, Gus Edwards, who with the Broncos potentially,
(22:14):
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
They're likely to sign any of those three maybe, I mean, yeah,
I don't know. I don't. I think Damian Peerce is interesting,
I mean I really do.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But the only reason. Let me let me ask you this,
Are you saying that? Are you only saying that because
he's the youngest of the three options. But I think
that's the thing is people look at his age and
they're like, well, there's still some redemptive value here.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I don't think they care.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I don't think the Broncos care over there, because I
don't think any of the options that they would bring
in are long term guys. They're looking at somebody that's
up plugging, which is why I sort of suggested and
and you know, and again they'd have to bring him
in a working out see if he can still play.
But that's why I suggested Latavious Murray, because I mean,
you're asking somebody if they got six games on them
at this point. You're not really looking for a none
of these guys in the future here. Do you know
(22:59):
why people sometimes call you a wet blanket because of
stuff like that? Because exactly because I say, because I.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Say realistic things instead of like nonsense and.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So well, you just s don't let anybody like live
in the fun like there's there's we can't live in
a moment in a world where are.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Any of those fun though Am I really pooping on
something there? I mean, it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I'm not sitting here trying to make the argument that
Damian Pierce solves everything for you. There's just some redemptive
intrigue there for me versus Latavious Murray, who's like thirty
thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's exactly the difference there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You're you are hypothetically placing a redemptive arc on someone
that's young.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And I'm looking for somebody that can fill the gap
for six games because I know none of that really
matters to begin but we quite literally know what Latavious
Murray is and what he is. And meanwhile, Damian Pierce,
he's a mystery box. He can still be really good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You could even maybe be Latavious Murray. I just say,
you don't let anybody have fun. That's what we do.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I have plenty of fun. But I'm just like not
gonna sit here to entertain. This is like when we
had the Cooper Cup thing this this offseason, where people, oh,
this has happened. It was never happening. Cooper Cup was
not coming here. Cooper Cup called Sean Payton. They had
one conversation on a Friday, and Sean Paper was like, yeah,
we don't want that wash bomb on my team. And so,
you know, I don't think he said it in those maybe,
but yeah, I'm being hyperbolic for effect, but you get
(24:17):
the point. You like, he had no had no interest
in signing Cooper Cup, but he wound up trying to
use the Broncos as leverage to get a little extra money.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Out of Seattle, which worked. I mean sure, and then
what kind of season did he have?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's been not But also JSN has been phenomenal, So
JSN Tory Horton, you know he is now. But I'm
just saying, like they had good players on their team
they went and signed Cooper Cup. But well, anyways, I
staid by my point that you are you are a
hater of fun and so and I think part of
(24:49):
it is really comes down to just your awareness and
knowledge of the inner workings of the league and the
sourcing you tend to have isn't always fun. Right where
I get to live in the fairy Beckham back, you know,
or whatever? I got like five I got five d
ms about that. Of course, the last forty eight hours
(25:10):
some where did this come from?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Why ould while he's now cleared whatever. But I mean,
but why but why?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
For what reason?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
No, I don't want to live in fairy tale land
with the idea of Odell Beckham coming here. I did
like the idea of Brandon Cooks that I made that
argument yesterday bringing in a vet into the wide receiver room,
some of with reliable hands, and I framed it with
with Nick Ferguson very quickly. I framed it with Nick
Ferguson as some of the inefficiencies of this offense targeting
Troy Franklin as much as they are where he's catching
(25:39):
half of the passes attempted to him, Let's just take
a couple more of those and then direct them forwards
Brandon Cook's we'll actually catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You guys know Brandon Cooks and Shot Peyte hate each other, right, Well,
I didn't know that until you told me that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, And he has been public about his criticism of
Sean Payton multiple times.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Jo Paye was the guy who trained him the paid triots.
She's an a choir taste. There's plenty of Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I don't think those are I don't think they're they're
gonna be peaches and irving it up anytime soon. Okay, well,
time can heal songs out there I've heard. I believe
that when I see it again, anything can happen. But
those guys genuinely did not like each other. You didn't
think Devon Vley to get traded either. I didn't think
anybody would offer that kind of haul for Devon Vley.
(26:26):
Some of us had they instinct to know that that
was a possibility. Look, hey, and more power to you.
And I just I was increduling because like talking to
the coaches, that's like, yeah, we're gonna you know, that's
our third down, dude.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, And there's that Devon v sized hole in this offense.
I don't see it that way.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I do. We just we just keep spamming Troy Franklin
with targets, hoping that he somehow becomes good.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I say that they're they're.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Starting to figure out that those targets just start to
go to Pat Bryan, and Pat Bryant is going to
be that guy.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And that's whether Devon VALA's sized hole has been But Bryant.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, yeah, anyway, but you've coined that term, and
I've now heard that from several people.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Somehow it makes the rounds.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And then some I think somebody texted me or called
me like I said, you know, we have a Devon
Vley size.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Like you've been listening to Bed you hate it with
it becomes the lexicon. Isn't it the worst?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Isn't it the worst? That is a joy vampire. It's
it's the worst. I'll tell you what. It's the worst.
When I coined something and it comes back to me
like somebody else injects it in a conversation.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Back then, I'm like, ah, yeah, uh huh, you've invented
the piano key necktie.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean I did.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I invented it with broncos be interested in Damien Martinez.
Well we just talked about that a minute. Yeah, Like
that was one of those things like if you're gonna
do a redemptive arc on somebody, I'd rather be somebody
who has a clean slate, you know, not to go
John Locke and Tabla rossaw on you or anything. But I,
by the way, you butchered a literary reference last night,
and you were talking about the iliot or something like that.
(27:52):
I did.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I was sitting there and I like I had the
reference cute up and ready to go, and then I
just murdered it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That much.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
The odyssey is what you said, I said the illiot,
and I meant the odyssey.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We were out to tell you the other way around
any which way we were, and that was you.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You are like.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Prime archer. It's your like literary references that you just
like fumbled all over it. And I'm just like, what
is going on? Here?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Has been it's been okay? Is this a cry for helps?
You're having a stroke. We were outdoors. It was the
food Drive that game.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, yeah, doors. I'm like Jared golf Man. I'm like
Jared Goff, I need a dome. I gotta be indors
you men, listen, boss, you never go full Jared Goff.
You know Daniel Jones outdoors. You saw what happens Steelers. Hey,
I gotta be honest, man. I am a little the
Daniel Jones stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's these last two games.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
He's got one touchdown and four picks and twelve sacks.
We'll see how he does against Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But a little bit of the shine come off.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But then all of a sudden, this like phantom calf
injury today, he's limited in practice. He was fulled yesterday
coming out of the by and then a calf injury.
It feels let me, let me as a paranoid person,
let me put this in a way that I know
that you can very very distinctly understand. Riley Leonard is
not getting any snaps. I'm desperate. There's a there's like
(29:22):
there's an inside joke here. Riley Leonard is not getting snaps.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But again, Joe Vampire, you're basically confirming by whole joy Vampire,
he could. You can't, but he could. Ryley Leonard has
never worked for anyone, but he might work for us.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, makes sense. That makes sense a little better on
that era.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Okay, So we got to Thursday night football coming up here.
We're gonna do our pick them here, show me the
money in just second here. But this is a is
A is a big game. Who's a bigger game for?
I guess is probably the question I want to get
to because because if Buffalo wins, they're eight and three
and they're only one game back in the New England
Patriots with a game still to play them. If the
(30:10):
Texans win, they all of a sudden at the eighth
seed and they're five and five, maybe six and five,
and Jacksonville is six and four.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I still think Jacksonville's gotta choke that thing away.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I do.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, I still think they're frauds in that in that
thing they game away with that Chargers thing. But Kansas City,
you got Baltimore, and we keep talking about Baltimore maybe
winning the division. But the Pittsburgh Steelers are six and four,
So you think one of these teams is going to
be in there.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I hate to say frauds, but because Jacksonville has what
over the Chiefs and they've had a couple of nice
but they just beat the Chargers. They are another They're
a Packers team. Like one day you're you're like, all right, yeah,
and then the next day.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You're like, what are they doing?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Losing to these clowns? You know, almost lost to the Raiders. Yeah,
that that's I mean, that's the Jaguars, the Steelers. You know,
one day they're there be somebody you don't think they should.
The next day they're losing to somebody they shouldn't. So
who's it a bigger game for Buffalo who's trying to
maybe keep pacing the AFC East or the Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I think it's the same. I think it's just I
think it's a big game for both these teams.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think the Texans need it to keep pace with
what they're trying to do, and Buffalo needs it to
keep pace with what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
On the one hand, I want to say that Texans
have an easier division, but they don't Buffalo. Does you
know the Buffalo has the Patriots and that's it in
that division. The Dolphins are a joke and the Jets
are even worse. The Jacks who got to contend with Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
And the Colts.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, well that Texans may beat the Ravens head to head,
so that helps them a little bit in some tiebreakers.
Who's going the AFC North, I mean it's Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And you know, however, you want to look at that,
you're completely rotting off Cincinnati if they get Joe Burback. Yeah,
I just think they're two three. I think they're one.
I think that whole I think that hole is too deep.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, probably, And I just one game too many is
what I think they If they had one more win
right now, then I would be it's just a weird
bizarro world. If they get a win this week though,
over the New England Patriots and they are home, by
the way, Joe Burroke comes back, they get a win
over New England, which would be great for the Broncos,
and somehow Baltimore and the Pittsburgh Steelers lose. Pittsburgh is
(32:23):
six and five, Baltimore five and six, and all of
a sudden four and seven.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Isn't impossible, it not?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
But you're three and see you have a worse record
than Miami right now, you're three and seven.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Isn't that wild?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, like, that's a lot of ground to dig
when you've got Pittsburgh gets six and four and Baltimore
at five and five, and oh, by the way, Cincinnati's
a negative one hundred and six and net points in
Pittsburgh's positive fourteen and Baltimore's positive one. I mean that
either way, their defense is gonna let them down. There's
nothing they could do about
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