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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll golaud to the KAI comes by a health hotline
(00:01):
and bring on your voice of the Colorado Rockies, Jack
Corky Jack.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm good, Benjamin, How are you? My friend?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Doing pretty well? Got Rick lewis here as well. Obviously
the big news today Warren Schaeffer has the interim tag removed.
In two part from me, one, how surprised are you
buy that? And two? Is this the right move for
the Colorado Rockies?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One, I mean, I think there were a couple of
factors where it's not a big surprise. One it's a
little later in the game in terms of hiring a
manager as they went through the process before they hired
Paul to run baseball ops. And then I think in
(00:47):
a lot of ways there were the sentiments among the
players and other people in the organization that they liked
where Warren's philosophy was taking the team. So I think
that was a factor. And the other factor, you know,
the potential labor issue in twenty seven You know this
(01:13):
way from structure and finances and everything else, it all
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hey, Jack, it's your ross belt, Buddy. Rick lewis here,
Thanks for coming on. Hopefully you're on a beach somewhere
wearing some cut off blue jean shorts. That's what Rustbelt
guys do.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I wish, except I'm pulling out Christmas decoration boxes for
my wife's So I was glad to talk to you guys.
Get away from the honey dudes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All right, Well, it's good to have you on the show.
Last time we talked to you on the show, you've
thought I was bringing up names, like I thought it'd
be good to get a big name manager in here
to kind of fire up the fan base, and you
mentioned Warrener as he might be, you know, the right
guy to do this. Did you know something back then
or with somebody telling you something like, hey, we're leading
(02:07):
in that direction.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, I did know Rick that there was a lot
of sentiment regardless of who would end up getting that
baseball ops job before Paul de Bodesta got it, and
I think they felt like Warren was on the right
track in terms of approach, you know, and with some
(02:34):
really strong feelings and ideas on how to one not
only try and get the offense going again back at
corse Field, but just as importantly, you know, throughout the
history of the franchise, the struggles to have an offense
that played in Denver play at sea level, and you know,
(02:57):
I liked some of Warren's star thoughts and ideas on
how to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Talking with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies. You know,
Warren Schaeffer, I think for a lot of the fans,
whatever he may be bringing, for a lot of the fans,
it still represents a little bit of the old, a
little bit of the same. How would you counter that
or how would you you argue that for fans to
feel that that is a letdown. With names that were
thrown around included Rix beforemanage and Joe Girardi. There was
(03:26):
talk of Don matting Lee after he left the Blue Jays,
how do you how do you sell that as it
were to the fan base?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You know, it's it's not going to be an easy sell,
regardless of who they they brought in after you know,
three triple digit loss seasons. I think in some ways
the game has has changed a little bit, Not to
say veteran guys can't do it, but the guys who
(03:56):
are coming up now, the younger players, and they're they're
approach the tools they want to use to play the game.
Are different than than Joe Girardi or a Don Mattingly
if they were even interested in the job. I think
(04:16):
it's a different job now and that they're at the
ballpark all the time. I mean the manager and the coaches.
I mean it seems like they put in eighteen hour days,
not just in spring training but throughout the year. And
that fits Warren's personality. I mean we use the cliche
(04:39):
jim rat, but that's what he is. I mean, he's
a baseball gym rat. And you know, if a guy
wants to do a little more of this or a
little more of that, shapes ready to jump right in
and do it. So I think short term it's worth
the approach. And you know, you you could bring in
a lot of really good manager Jersey. This team is
(05:01):
not ready to be a contender in twenty twenty six
and probably even twenty twenty seven, So why not get
a young, enthusiastic, teaching guy in that role and try
and make a turn. I mean, that's what the Nationals
have done, and I mean that's what the Giants are doing.
(05:23):
I mean I heard a guy who's never had a
moment in professional Baseball, great time as the head coach
at Tennessee, but it kind of shows you the different
feels that's taken place. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Hey, Jack, I'm on record saying that I don't think
Warren Schaeffer or Bud Blackhead had much to do with
the you know, the awful season that they just had,
But I do like the Paul de Podesta hire. And
he said something that I wanted to get your take on.
One of the things he said about Warren Schaeffer is
(05:57):
he understands the culture of the franchise. And I'm scratching
my head on that one a little bit because the
culture of the franchise seems to be losing. What does
he really mean by that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think he's the culture of the franchise. I think
he's talking about it, Rick more from a physical perspective,
you know, of understanding the going back and forth, not
only how the game is played here in Denver at
altitude and then at sea level so many other places,
(06:31):
but the impact that it has doing that more than
any other sport and certainly more than any other team.
And to understand what guys are going through to be
able to stay healthy. Is like in the NFL I mean,
you know, here we are, what week thirteen? There in
(06:53):
anybody feeling one hundred percent physically right, you know, you
learn to adapt tost and and get yourself ready by
that Sunday game or whatever night you're playing, if it's
not a Sunday afternoon game. And baseball is that way
times ten because of all the games you play and
(07:16):
all the physical toll it takes. And I think that's
why Paul feels that Warren has has a sense of
that kind of culture.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
TEK with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies. Jack, when
Paul is having to just talk to you since since
Pauli Pedesta was hired, when he was hired, how how
big a thing do you think this is for the Rockies?
And then on the flip side of that, how much
do you think that's going to make a difference. We
know baseball is this sport where it's the most difficult
to turn a team around. It takes longer than it
does in any other sport. Do you think that they'll
(07:49):
have I mean, the Rockies have exhibited patients before, so
I believe they will. But do you think they'll have
the patience to see this all the way through?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah? I do. I'm I'm excited about that particular aspect
of getting it right and being willing to understand it
might take a little while to get it right. You know,
the focus obviously goes to Warren Shafer being retained today.
(08:17):
You know that Paul wanted Warren to be in that
role kind of subtly as it happened, but it's it's
a telling sign of what the Depodesta regime is going
to be about. The big league pitching coach, the Triple
A pitching coach, the director of pitching performance, and a
(08:38):
fourth in a minor league pitching coordinator all were not
brought back. So you know, this is where Paul I
think is going to initially try and put his stamp
on things, is frying the people that he believes can
help the Rockies. You know, they're never going to be
(09:00):
the number one pitching staff in baseball, but to be
a lot better than they've been the last couple of years,
especially starting pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Jack One more from me. You know, baseball at altitude
is really fun to watch. A lot of hits, a
lot of home runs, and the Rockies have had success
with that. When you go back to the nineties, era
late nineties, but it is winning sustainable at altitude because
you seem to wear your pitchers out every year. We also,
(09:31):
I think we could also guess that it's going to
be tough to get big free agent pitchers that want
to come here and pitch.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Well, you're never going to get big free agent pitchers
coming here unless they're you know, Denver born and raised
and want to come back and finish their career here.
That's just kind of a reality. And it gets back
to the comment or the question before about culture. You
(10:01):
have to have the type of pictures, and more likely
you're going to have to develop them through your drafts
and then trades. But guys who are going to understand that, hey,
giving up five runs is not the worst thing in
the world when I'm at home, because that's a reality.
(10:21):
And so that you earned run average or other things
mean less, and walks per nine innings mean more, and
ground ball right means more, and strikeouts mean more than
the home runs you're going to give up, just with
the reality of that, and then to have also Rick
(10:43):
and I think the mindset that when I go out
on the road, because I was able to be good
enough at home that now on the road, I can
dominate because I have ideal conditions.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Kyo, Jack Corgan, voice of your Colorado Rockies. As we
look forward to the next season, is there any I mean,
I see some building blocks here with this team. I
know you obviously do every day out there that they
can build around. Is there any solution though, to maybe
the Chris Bryant situation.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Oh golly, I gotta go, Benjamin. I'm sorry, you know,
it is the It is hanging over the franchise. I mean,
I don't think Chris is going to play, you know,
another game in the big leagues. It just sounds like
it's a condition. It's just not going to enable him
(11:40):
to play at the level that's comfortable enough for him
or good enough, you know, to play amongst the best
baseball players in the world. You know, I'm hopeful that
they'll reach some kind of decision on that because it
does hang over the club a little bit. And I
get that he wants to keep playing. They're gonna have
(12:02):
to pay him the money regardless. But if there's a
way to move on from it, you know that that
Chris does retire and maybe they work out some solution
to defer some of the money that they are going
to have to pay him. Spread it out, not Bobby
Beni alike, but spread it out a little bit and
(12:23):
then you know, have the chance to use that money
in other areas. But you know, it was it was
something the Rocky's tried and you know it didn't work.
And as as as Paul de Badesta said, he goes
he went through the Deshaun Watson stuff with the Browns,
so he's used to that, you know, as something that
(12:46):
you're just gonna have to figure out a solution. Jack.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
We appreciate you taking the time out to talk to
be and Rick today and you know, hopefully this Warren
Shaeffer thing works out better than any of us in
vision and look or to listen to you guys obviously
on the call this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Spring sounds good. Always great to visit with you guys anytime,
my friends.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thanksgiving, Jack, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Jack Corygan yep, voice of your Colorado Rockies. Always love
talking to uh, talking to Jack. Get a chance to
talk about the Rockies in a you know, in a
somewhat positive manner versus the way that it's been for
the last couple of seasons.
We'll golaud to the KAI comes by a health hotline
(00:01):
and bring on your voice of the Colorado Rockies, Jack
Corky Jack.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How you doing, Buddy?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm good, Benjamin, How are you? My friend?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Doing pretty well? Got Rick lewis here as well. Obviously
the big news today Warren Schaeffer has the interim tag removed.
In two part from me, one, how surprised are you
buy that? And two? Is this the right move for
the Colorado Rockies?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
One, I mean, I think there were a couple of
factors where it's not a big surprise. One it's a
little later in the game in terms of hiring a
manager as they went through the process before they hired
Paul to run baseball ops. And then I think in
(00:47):
a lot of ways there were the sentiments among the
players and other people in the organization that they liked
where Warren's philosophy was taking the team. So I think
that was a factor. And the other factor, you know,
the potential labor issue in twenty seven You know this
(01:13):
way from structure and finances and everything else, it all
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hey, Jack, it's your ross belt, Buddy. Rick lewis here,
Thanks for coming on. Hopefully you're on a beach somewhere
wearing some cut off blue jean shorts. That's what Rustbelt
guys do.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I wish, except I'm pulling out Christmas decoration boxes for
my wife's So I was glad to talk to you guys.
Get away from the honey dudes.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
All right, Well, it's good to have you on the show.
Last time we talked to you on the show, you've
thought I was bringing up names, like I thought it'd
be good to get a big name manager in here
to kind of fire up the fan base, and you
mentioned Warrener as he might be, you know, the right
guy to do this. Did you know something back then
or with somebody telling you something like, hey, we're leading
(02:07):
in that direction.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well, I did know Rick that there was a lot
of sentiment regardless of who would end up getting that
baseball ops job before Paul de Bodesta got it, and
I think they felt like Warren was on the right
track in terms of approach, you know, and with some
(02:34):
really strong feelings and ideas on how to one not
only try and get the offense going again back at
corse Field, but just as importantly, you know, throughout the
history of the franchise, the struggles to have an offense
that played in Denver play at sea level, and you know,
(02:57):
I liked some of Warren's star thoughts and ideas on
how to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Talking with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies. You know,
Warren Schaeffer, I think for a lot of the fans,
whatever he may be bringing, for a lot of the fans,
it still represents a little bit of the old, a
little bit of the same. How would you counter that
or how would you you argue that for fans to
feel that that is a letdown. With names that were
thrown around included Rix beforemanage and Joe Girardi. There was
(03:26):
talk of Don matting Lee after he left the Blue Jays,
how do you how do you sell that as it
were to the fan base?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You know, it's it's not going to be an easy sell,
regardless of who they they brought in after you know,
three triple digit loss seasons. I think in some ways
the game has has changed a little bit, Not to
say veteran guys can't do it, but the guys who
(03:56):
are coming up now, the younger players, and they're they're
approach the tools they want to use to play the game.
Are different than than Joe Girardi or a Don Mattingly
if they were even interested in the job. I think
(04:16):
it's a different job now and that they're at the
ballpark all the time. I mean the manager and the coaches.
I mean it seems like they put in eighteen hour days,
not just in spring training but throughout the year. And
that fits Warren's personality. I mean we use the cliche
(04:39):
jim rat, but that's what he is. I mean, he's
a baseball gym rat. And you know, if a guy
wants to do a little more of this or a
little more of that, shapes ready to jump right in
and do it. So I think short term it's worth
the approach. And you know, you you could bring in
a lot of really good manager Jersey. This team is
(05:01):
not ready to be a contender in twenty twenty six
and probably even twenty twenty seven, So why not get
a young, enthusiastic, teaching guy in that role and try
and make a turn. I mean, that's what the Nationals
have done, and I mean that's what the Giants are doing.
(05:23):
I mean I heard a guy who's never had a
moment in professional Baseball, great time as the head coach
at Tennessee, but it kind of shows you the different
feels that's taken place. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Hey, Jack, I'm on record saying that I don't think
Warren Schaeffer or Bud Blackhead had much to do with
the you know, the awful season that they just had,
But I do like the Paul de Podesta hire. And
he said something that I wanted to get your take on.
One of the things he said about Warren Schaeffer is
(05:57):
he understands the culture of the franchise. And I'm scratching
my head on that one a little bit because the
culture of the franchise seems to be losing. What does
he really mean by that.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think he's the culture of the franchise. I think
he's talking about it, Rick more from a physical perspective,
you know, of understanding the going back and forth, not
only how the game is played here in Denver at
altitude and then at sea level so many other places,
(06:31):
but the impact that it has doing that more than
any other sport and certainly more than any other team.
And to understand what guys are going through to be
able to stay healthy. Is like in the NFL I mean,
you know, here we are, what week thirteen? There in
(06:53):
anybody feeling one hundred percent physically right, you know, you
learn to adapt tost and and get yourself ready by
that Sunday game or whatever night you're playing, if it's
not a Sunday afternoon game. And baseball is that way
times ten because of all the games you play and
(07:16):
all the physical toll it takes. And I think that's
why Paul feels that Warren has has a sense of
that kind of culture.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
TEK with Jack Corgan, Voice of the Rockies. Jack, when
Paul is having to just talk to you since since
Pauli Pedesta was hired, when he was hired, how how
big a thing do you think this is for the Rockies?
And then on the flip side of that, how much
do you think that's going to make a difference. We
know baseball is this sport where it's the most difficult
to turn a team around. It takes longer than it
does in any other sport. Do you think that they'll
(07:49):
have I mean, the Rockies have exhibited patients before, so
I believe they will. But do you think they'll have
the patience to see this all the way through?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah? I do. I'm I'm excited about that particular aspect
of getting it right and being willing to understand it
might take a little while to get it right. You know,
the focus obviously goes to Warren Shafer being retained today.
(08:17):
You know that Paul wanted Warren to be in that
role kind of subtly as it happened, but it's it's
a telling sign of what the Depodesta regime is going
to be about. The big league pitching coach, the Triple
A pitching coach, the director of pitching performance, and a
(08:38):
fourth in a minor league pitching coordinator all were not
brought back. So you know, this is where Paul I
think is going to initially try and put his stamp
on things, is frying the people that he believes can
help the Rockies. You know, they're never going to be
(09:00):
the number one pitching staff in baseball, but to be
a lot better than they've been the last couple of years,
especially starting pitching.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Jack One more from me. You know, baseball at altitude
is really fun to watch. A lot of hits, a
lot of home runs, and the Rockies have had success
with that. When you go back to the nineties, era
late nineties, but it is winning sustainable at altitude because
you seem to wear your pitchers out every year. We also,
(09:31):
I think we could also guess that it's going to
be tough to get big free agent pitchers that want
to come here and pitch.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Well, you're never going to get big free agent pitchers
coming here unless they're you know, Denver born and raised
and want to come back and finish their career here.
That's just kind of a reality. And it gets back
to the comment or the question before about culture. You
(10:01):
have to have the type of pictures, and more likely
you're going to have to develop them through your drafts
and then trades. But guys who are going to understand that, hey,
giving up five runs is not the worst thing in
the world when I'm at home, because that's a reality.
(10:21):
And so that you earned run average or other things
mean less, and walks per nine innings mean more, and
ground ball right means more, and strikeouts mean more than
the home runs you're going to give up, just with
the reality of that, and then to have also Rick
(10:43):
and I think the mindset that when I go out
on the road, because I was able to be good
enough at home that now on the road, I can
dominate because I have ideal conditions.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Kyo, Jack Corgan, voice of your Colorado Rockies. As we
look forward to the next season, is there any I mean,
I see some building blocks here with this team. I
know you obviously do every day out there that they
can build around. Is there any solution though, to maybe
the Chris Bryant situation.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Oh golly, I gotta go, Benjamin. I'm sorry, you know,
it is the It is hanging over the franchise. I mean,
I don't think Chris is going to play, you know,
another game in the big leagues. It just sounds like
it's a condition. It's just not going to enable him
(11:40):
to play at the level that's comfortable enough for him
or good enough, you know, to play amongst the best
baseball players in the world. You know, I'm hopeful that
they'll reach some kind of decision on that because it
does hang over the club a little bit. And I
get that he wants to keep playing. They're gonna have
(12:02):
to pay him the money regardless. But if there's a
way to move on from it, you know that that
Chris does retire and maybe they work out some solution
to defer some of the money that they are going
to have to pay him. Spread it out, not Bobby
Beni alike, but spread it out a little bit and
(12:23):
then you know, have the chance to use that money
in other areas. But you know, it was it was
something the Rocky's tried and you know it didn't work.
And as as as Paul de Badesta said, he goes
he went through the Deshaun Watson stuff with the Browns,
so he's used to that, you know, as something that
(12:46):
you're just gonna have to figure out a solution. Jack.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
We appreciate you taking the time out to talk to
be and Rick today and you know, hopefully this Warren
Shaeffer thing works out better than any of us in
vision and look or to listen to you guys obviously
on the call this.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Spring sounds good. Always great to visit with you guys anytime,
my friends.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thanksgiving, Jack, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Jack Corygan yep, voice of your Colorado Rockies. Always love
talking to uh, talking to Jack. Get a chance to
talk about the Rockies in a you know, in a
somewhat positive manner versus the way that it's been for
the last couple of seasons.
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