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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy victory Friday. Everybody, welcome to it. Koe Sports, Ryan
edwars with you. Dave Logan's going to join me here
just a matter of moments, as he got in pretty
late last night from the game. We'll be taking your
reaction over the next three hours, five, six, six nights zero.
The Kiae Comma spirital text line. If you want to
interact with me about the game, If you want to
vent because you thought they should have won by more scores,
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I'm sure we can.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Ablige some of that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you're just thrilled to the Broncos or thirteen and
three can still control their own destiny not only to
the AFC West, but also to the conference, then you
can text that in as well. I definitely want to
hear from you. We have all sorts of fun stuff
coming up on the show today. Again, Dave's gonna join
me in a matter of moments. Patzertan expected to join
us at three thirty. We're gonna have Parker Gabriel, who
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was at the game and of course in the locker
room last night. He's going to join us after five.
We'll hear Dave and bow Nix together after five thirty
we'll get through some games, we'll tell you kind of
what the rooting interest here for the Broncos is over
the weekend, including tomorrow's big time game between the Texans
and the Chargers. That one, specifically tomorrow afternoon, has major
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implications not only for the division because if the Chargers
lose that game, then the Broncos claim the AFC West,
but also how it might impact when the game is
played next weekend, because if that game is just for conference,
then maybe it's an afternoon game. If it's for more
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than that, maybe it's going to be a primetime game.
But right now we're gonna head out to the Kiowe
count Spirit Health Hoighline and bring on my radio partner,
you effectually known him as Dave Logan, voice of the
Broncos as well. Dave, my friend, how are you feeling
on the day after a late night in Kansas City?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Feeling good? Glad to get a little downtime, and you
know what, the Broncos are thirteen to three, so you
can't you can't feel anything but good about that?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, of course the style points conversation as you
as you know, and we felt it last night on
react style points conversation is always a big one. I
don't know, man, as you had a chance to, I
guess digest that game just a little bit. It sounds
like you're coming away from this the same way I am,
and in by the numbers, they really dominated this game
in so many ways, with the exception of two stats,
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the turnover margin and the final points. So I guess
style points on one argument, good game from the Broncos.
Style points on the other is maybe a little close
for some people's comfort.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, I think that. I think this story of the
game last night really when you want to look at
it and say, why was that game so close? The Broncos,
as you said, dominated, I thought dominated the game. I
think they had seventy two or three snaps of offense
and you said forty nine. They had four drives that
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combined had fifty seven snaps, and I mean that's just
unheard of really in an NFL game. So, but the
issue was they got the red zone. You know, a
couple of times they had to settle, settle for short
field goals, and that that normally at any level of football,
but certainly in the NFL, can come back to bite you.
So the game was closer I think because of that.
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The turnover which was a hell to play really by
the Chiefs that put them on the Denver thirty five
yard line. That was the only scoring drive for a touchdown.
The Kansas City had the lakefield goal the tiet that
was after a forty five yard punt return. So there's
always things to look at. And the Broncos are like
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every other team I think in the AFC. They have warts,
they have things that they've got to work on, but
it's a hell of a lot easier to work on
those things when you're thirteen and three and what you
have to do now is get some rest and then
find a way to win one game and you're the
number one seat in the AFC. So I get it.
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I get the frustration at times the fans, because fans
want they want a juggernaut, and they want near perfection,
and they want forty five points a game, and they
want six or seven sacks a game, and I get it,
But the reality of it is that that's not usually
the way it happens in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You pointed out the sacks, and we heard from coach
Payton last night that that wasn't the plan. The plan
wasn't to light up Oladuke, and it was to basically
contain him like that. That was an understand way that
they were going to play him. What did you think
about that idea or that process from Vance Joseph and
Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, they wanted to keep him in the pocket, yep.
And I think that. I mean, I was struck by
the fact that, And I've not gone back and looked
at that game this morning or this afternoon, but I
was struck by how many times the Broncos rushed only
for so I think what they wanted with an inexperienced
quarterback was to make him operate from the pocket, to
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make him look downfield and have to understand concepts and
what coverage am I getting and where's the weakness of
the coverage? And then I've got to be able to
throw an accurate pass instead of really coming at him
and allowing him or forcing him to do what he's
best at doing, which is stepping up and scrambling and
buying some time and running for a first down here
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and there. And he's just a really good athlete. But
so I can understand the plan they had one sack
and I can understand that, and really I think it
was a game that they on a very short week
and flying in late Christmas Eve to Kansas City. I
think they just wanted to find a way to win
the game. And ultimately, again, as you and I talked
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about last night after the game, that's how you're judged
in the NFL. How many games do you win and
how many games do you lose. There will always be
things to fix no matter if you win or lose,
but the bottom line is how many games you win.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And they won thirteen, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Dave Logan joining me here for a few minutes. I
wanted to go to the offensive game plan because I
was driving home last night listened to a little Fox
Sports radio and they were whining about how boring the
Broncos offense was and has been at part at times
during the course of the season. I do think there's
a little bit of a misnomer or a miscalculation on
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what they think the offense is doing sometimes because they're like, well,
they're not pushing the ball down the field and not
being aggressive. And I was like, did you watch the
last two games, the Packers game, the Jags game, there
was plenty of times that they were pushing the ball
down the field, and early on in the season, I
felt like there was a bit of a gripe of
some people out there because they said, well, they're pushing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
The ball down the field too much.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so now they've dialed into this hyper efficient offense
and they've done this, especially in some of these short
weeks or against the Raiders, both games will already come
down on what the offense is at this point in
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I thought early in the game, I thought bo was
a little a little bit off a couple of his passes.
That's going to happen. And then I thought whether intentional
or whether he's he was he was coached up on
the sideline, or whether he just realized, and I thought
he ran effectively from that point on. He got a
couple of key first downs, and I think that's one
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of the components, honestly, of this offense that makes it
a little bit different. And I would embrace that, and
I would encourage that in the last whatever regular season
game against the Chargers and hopefully a couple of home
playoff games. I mean, he can extend plays now you
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want you want to when you when you climb a pocket,
you want to keep your eyes downfield, and you do
want to be able to hit some passes too, because
you can generate a lot of big plays in the
passing game on sort of broken plays from the quarterback
in the pocket. But more importantly, you want to be
able to judiciously decide when should I take a shot
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and when do I just run and pick up eight, ten,
twelve yards go feet first, get and stand keep the
other team's offense off the field. I think Bo has
a really nice ability as an athlete to do that,
and honestly, he hasn't done it as much this year
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as he did his rookie season, and I would like
to see that increase a little bit as we go on.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I would too.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He by the way, he tied Andrew Luck with ten
fourth quarter comeback games in this first couple couple games
of a couple of seasons of his career. I tell
you what, there is a point where that belief and
we're gonna hear some sound from Eric Manngini here in
just a little bit, because he was talking about how
it should be viewed as a positive. This team has
a belief that they can win these close games versus
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viewed as a negative, and it's remarkable how that gets
twisted and turned again that whole you should be dominating
some of these opponents that you are clearly favored in
well favored is whatever, right, That's what Vegas is setting
the line at. I think that there's and you've played
the game, you would know that there's more of a
function of what we talk about on the outside. Inside
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the building, they talk about, well, we got to win
this match, we got to do this, and these are
all paid professionals. I just think the internal belief and
especially what Bonix has been able to do, and it's
still some of that has been truly remarkable.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, I think again, and you and I have talked
about it. I think when a team has confidence that
no matter what the set of circumstances, they can find
a way to come back and win, whether you're a
score down in the third or whether you're two scores
down on the fourth. You've got that confidence because you
have seen it manifest itself. You've been able to come
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back and win games. And we could cite all the
games that that has happened on the road against Philadelphia
at home against the Giants on the road against Houston.
So when that happens, and it happens a number of times,
there's just and I wish you could bottle it. I
have felt and I know what it feels like. But
there's a feeling in the huddle that a you know what,
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we're fine, we're just going to we'll go down to
score here and find a way to win the game.
And it's a powerful, powerful thing. So I'd rather have
that and a team, a team that is just kicking
everybody's ass on a regular basis, week after week after week,
and then they get into a playoff game and all
of a sudden, the game is close and opes you
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had to turnover and you're down ten with eight minutes
to go in the fourth. I'd rather have that team
that had exhibited an ability to come back find a
way to win a game, because I would just feel
like that team would have the best chance.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
To do it again right, and that it feels like
will be something that's going to be valuable for this
team when they get to the postseason. Somebody asks a
quick question, and I'll ask you, what does Dave want?
Does he want a first round buy or no? First
round by makes me a little nervous, so that extra
time off. I mean it feels like you always aim
for the first round by because it's time to rest
your body. But we have seen instance this is of
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the past, where teams have I don't know, maybe lost
some momentum in a first round by. I guess I
would imagine you're still rooting for a first round by.
But I'll ask you the question here.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I think you never really know when you have
a buy. You never really know how your team's going
to come back and play. Because NFL players, football players
in general, are creatures, have habits. You get very used
to doing the same thing over and over and over again.
I mean, that's that's the way you get better. You
get used to going in and having a Friday work
and then Saturday you have to walk through and the
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Sunday you drive the stadium and you play, and then
then you do it again the next week. And so
when you have a week off, I think it's important
that the staff and this is a veteran staff obviously
with Sean, that they have a plan that they know exactly,
you know, how they want these players to recover. What
they want these players to do because there's a bunch
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of new guys on this team. This is not like
even though they went to the playoffs last year, it's
not like this is a veteran a great veteran group
that has had plenty of playoff tick, and now this
is they're just gearing up that So, but I would
like the bye week because it ensures if you're good
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enough to win a game, that game is at home,
and you played the AFC championship game the next week
and that game is at home too. So I would
sacrifice a little bit of the unknown to a get
my guys some rest and get some guys that are
nicked up healthy, and b to understand that with this buy,
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we have to win two home games here in Denver
to go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Agreed. Last one.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Did you see Herbstreet last night trying to get Bonix
to pet his dog. Apparently Bonix doesn't like dogs. It's
kind of a thing that, I mean, I didn't know.
I guess you wouldn't know unless you were around a
person with a dog. But yeah, Herdtree put out a
video this morning showing how he brought his dog, Heater,
out there on the field and was trying to get
Bonix to pet his dog because Bonis doesn't like dogs.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Were you aware of this?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Oh no, I didn't see that. Weird. I might have
to have a conversation with both. I'm not sure how that.
Maybe a dog bit him as a kid or something,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, he said he was he was attacked.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I was gonna say you definitely, because I know you're
a big dog guy. So he said in the video
that he when he was very little, he was attacked.
He didn't really give too much detail, but he was
attacked by dog and they didn't have dogs as a family,
so he just wasn't you know. After that, they just
he wasn't around dogs much of his life. Had I
had a college roommate that was also afraid of dogs,
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and a very quick story. So we were living together
with a couple other guys in an apartment like off campus,
and I brought a puppy over because my friend had
just gotten a puppy, Golden Retriever, the cutest thing ever,
and I brought it over and he quite literally ran
away like he like grown man in his early twenties,
sprinted out of the house because he was so deathly
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afraid of dogs, and I had never experienced that in
my entire life. But I guess if that's like your
experience with it, it does exist.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I mean, if you've had a bad experience with dogs,
I guess I understand that. But I mean, give me,
maybe not by the end of this year, but give
me a couple of years with bo and he'll be
the spokesperson for the Dumb Friends League.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I love it, man, I love it, man.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And like I said, I know, when I saw this,
I immediately thought of you, because I know, yeah, you're
a really a big dog guy. And so I was like,
I was like, oh, man, I guess it would never
come up, right, you never have those conversations with somebody.
But then to see him, he's visibly when you can
send some sez a video on social media, he's visibly
uncomfortable on the field with Herbstreet and his dog like
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next to him.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He must have had I mean, he must have had
a really bad bad Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, and then then part of me.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Like you get on maybe a little bit of a
different level when that a girl broke up with you
and you were a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That was that was off. That was off off record. Bro,
that's that's so.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But you've listen, look at you now, Mary, you've been
able to overcome that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That that's a very that's a very good point. That's
very good point. Well, Dave, like I said, man, great
to catch up with you. What a great call last
night is always enjoy some time and let's get ready
for this stretch run.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Sounds good, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
There you go, my radio partner, Dave Logan, big dog guy,
big dog guy.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So but again, you would you wouldn't know. You just
don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The comments though, listen, I'll say like this, I like dogs,
like cats, like like all pets. In fact, at one
point I wanted to be a veterinarian. That's how much
would like animals. But the comments are weird on this
video because there's a lot of well he needs to
get over it, or if he just knew how great
dogs were. It's like, listen, I'm sure he's had people
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in his lifetime. Even when I brought that puppy over
to my college roommate, I was like, it's a puppy,
it's a golden retriever puppy. Look, it's just floppy, like
it just wants to lick you to death. I mean
not to death obviously, you know. But he was like,
he said, you're lucky you didn't bring that near me,
because I might have like swung at it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I was like, it's a puppy.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
If you had swung it out and swung at you,
I was, I was ready to box with this. It's
like not even my dog. I was ready to box
with my roommate over a puppy. But anyways, that fear, though,
like it stuck with me because in my mind it
sounded like, you know, a bit of a silly thing,
but like I don't like snakes, right, like not a fan.
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My wife she had a pet snake when we first
I first met her. She obviously not just a friend,
but she had a pet snake. And it took me
a while to get over that. And initially I was like, well,
this might be a you know, a deal breaker kind
of you. I'm like, you have a pet snake. I
don't like snakes. But then I eventually kind of, you know,
work through some of that. Still don't like snakes, but
I eventually worked through it. So that we could be
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you know, together. But in this case, I guess when
I saw this video this morning, I kept thinking, you
know what if that would.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Have messed up bo Nix's focus for.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
The game, Like this was on the field pregame when
Boenix has warmed me up and getting his head right,
and there's Kirk Kurbstreet's another reason for me not to
like him. There's Kirk kurb Street out there with his
dog making our quarterback uncomfortable. And so part of me started,
you know, started thinking about like, hey, did he have
like Chiefs plus thirteen and a half and he's you know,
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I'm just kidding, that's that's not a thing, But why
are you messing with my quarterback pregame?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Herbie.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's what I started getting upset about, more so than
Bonaks needs to get over this fear of dogs. You
could see, like you go see the video, it's he's
he's visually uncomfortable with this moment. But then you know,
Corlin Sutton and having Ingram and you know, several come
up and they pet the dog, and her Street's like, yeah,
you gotta pet my dog. I gotta pet my dog,
Pet my dog. It's a great dog. Look, it's great dog. Yeah,
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you know what people with.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Those kinds of fears. And I told this to my roommate,
it's a great dog. It didn't change anything. He still
bolted out of the house. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He left, he hide, healed it out of the house
and then he got mad at me. And I'm like,
you're mad at me. It's a puppy anyways, but go
check it out. It's on Herb Streets video. I'm just god,
I didn't like the Brons would have lost that game,
and Boenix like, had I you remember a few weeks
ago against the Raiders on Thursday night and how bad
he played. If you would have had another performance like
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that on the road, they would have lost that game
to the Chiefs and they would have seen this video
the next day. It wouldn't be very cute. I guarantee
Broncos fans have a different feel about this video the
next day, seeing how uncomfortable their quarterback is in the
pregame as he's getting his head right for a pivotal
game this season, and there's Herb Street out there, like,
pet my dog a dog?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Why don't you have a dog? A dog? Anyways five
six six niney zero or Kai Commas Spirit Hill text line.
Listen here.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I kind of think it's bad on her street to
just put out Bow's fear of dogs on social media.
Kind of right, that's that's a pretty personal thing. Boenix
probably doesn't want to be out there talking about that.
Now he's gonna get asked about it in the press
conference and he's gonna have to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Leave your dog at home. I know this is a
her free bit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He's been doing this for years, just bringing his dog
all over the world with him. You know, I don't
know it's actually a new dog. This is the other
one recently passed. Is actually very sad but true story.
Comrade Edwards, I have a crippling fear of whales in
all large marine mammals because of the trip to an
aquarium where I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I get the dog thing with both.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
See that's what I'm saying, Like, I bet and the
comrade were Edward's thing funny, But I bet that there
are people that don't understand that and like you're afraid
of a whale. I mean, come on, it's a whale.
It's but yeah, a lot of our things. Anyways, we'll
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get back to the tech. You guys have some great text.
Somebody asked me what I ordered for Chinese last night.
Thank you for listening to our post game last night,
broncas Rick went all the way to the midnight.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I had these shrimp fried rice. It was very good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's very very good, but basically all we could order
on Christmas evening as we're all sitting around here working
until midnight. All right, we're off rolling here on a
beautiful afternoons here in the myle ied city, on a
victory Friday. When we come back, patro Tan expected to
join us. That's coming up next. Pat, congratulations on another
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win last night. Man, How are you?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm doing good. I got doing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Happy Holidays to you man as well. Merry Christmas. Appreciate
you giving us a few minutes here. What a win
last night. And as you could attest, being with his
team for as many years as you have, Winged Arrowhead
is never easy, is it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
No, it's never easy. We knew what he was going into,
what we signed up for, going into a pretty loud
environment in KC. We know it's never easy to sort
of say you're gonna go into the game and it's
going to be a cruise. So I'm glad we got
the win though, and uh, you know, and we still
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control our own destiny moving forward, So that's.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
One hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So last night we heard from Sean Payton and he
said something to the effect that when he was asked about, well,
you didn't get you only got one sack against Oladokin
and wondering about sort of game plan there, it felt
like you guys had the intention of keeping him in
the pocket and having him operate from that and not escaping.
Is that because of his mobility and the way that
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you guys have in the past faced guys quarterbacks that
have a lot of mobility.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, obviously when we was watching film, he's a pretty
mobile quarterback. Uh, you know, was making second players with
his feet, and I think it was pretty evident yesterday
when players wasn't alive, he was making players to his feet.
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And uh, there are some players where we could have
done a bit of job of containing and there's other
players where he made great plays, uh by all rushing
in the same uh in the same gaps and stuff
like that. So, uh, it's one of those weird games
where you know there's a new quarterback that's involved, and
you got to see, Okay, what is this god good
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at going into the game, and uh, it seems like
that's pretty evident with his ability moving on his feet.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He said, kind of a weird game.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It felt like a lot of these Thursday night games
are kind of weird games. Uh, you know, you've been
league now for several years. What do you feel like
you know about Thursday night games and your experiences with him?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah? I know that that is a short week and
obviously those who prepare the best usually come out on top.
I think there's this feat they're saying teams who usually lead,
you know at halftime, usually end up winning those games.
And yesterday was quite the impressive feet because we was
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down trailing and have you know, we found a way
to come back and win the game. So that's never
easy itself, but there's.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Always a short turnaround games that the team that prepared
the best always gonna come out on top and win.
Just because of the short game plan week, everybody and
their bodies is not as rested as going into a
full week.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
So it's one of those get right games for sure,
But I'm glad it came out on top.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Now, you guys have a final game of the regular
season against the Chargers coming up next week. Wanted to
ask you a couple of questions about that. You got
ten days to prepare well. Again, assuming it's on Sunday.
Maybe it's a Saturday game.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Still still waiting to find that out. But you guys
use this time. I know what I heard Garaboles talking
about last night. An opportunity to disconnect a little bit
here over a couple of days and then get back
into it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is there an opportunity? Also?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Do you do you watch much football over this weekend
or do you really disconnect? Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Still be watching football, but at the same time, I
do take, you know, my time away from it, knowing
the type of schedule we have, strenuous schedule we have
each and every week, and it's a long season. But
there's a lot of playoff implications this week, so I'm
gonna definitely be tuned in some fun and exciting games.
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So but in his meantime, on the you know, his weekend,
I'm gonna spend time with my family for sure, And
I enjoyed a presence.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, definitely no doubt about that man.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, and for the Chargers, you guys have gone against
Justin Herbert now several times.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He is just having a great season. I mean, low key,
and I know a.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Lot of the some other quarterbacks are getting more MVP conversations,
but you watch the Chargers and the way they're able
to win these games, and a lot of it is
kind of him carrying things. They're missing their starting two
tackles and he's out there making plays all over the place.
What what is about his game? What is about Justin
Herbert specifically? And I guess we'll dial in a little
bit more next Friday. What have what have you noticed
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about his game and how it's been over the last
several years.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I've seen it evolved. It seems like you mentally, obviously
the talent is there, but I'd like the way how
he's stay calm and stay poised and lead his team
on clutch game winning drives. I think it's pretty evident
these past couple of weeks. And obviously with the O line,
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you know they're pretty injury riddled right now, so but
for him to be able to pull through and you know,
be resilient through that is a big testimony to him.
So you know, justin he's a great quarterback and he's
gonna be always one of the top quarterbacks in this league,
you know, as long as he keep on playing.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So all right, last one I have for you, man,
and again enjoy your time.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
This is the next few days, get back to work,
coming up against the Chargers. So for you guys, with
with knowing what's at stake in the next game, is
that an excitement about the possibility of having the one seed,
about winning the division? How have you guys been able
to stay steady and not let the pressure of these
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moments over the last few weeks kind of collapse the team.
What is it about this team and they're resilience that
has led led you to this point.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I mean I think pressure makes diamonds, and I
think we're a team that is stuck with that mantra,
you know. I mean throughout the season, you know we've
been in we find a way to close up ball games.
We always win within you know, how many how many
games you won with you know, one score games ever
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we won. So it goes to show the team's resilience
and confidence and one another and finding ways to get
the job done, because no matter how you win in
this league, and win is a win and that's the
most important stat in this league. So and you know,
it's funny because we always feel like we haven't reached
that game where we feel like it was fully complete
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on both sides, you know, And that's what's scary about it.
But I feel like going into the playoffs, we honestly
we know where we need to work on and where
we need to fix and correct, and why not show
it off within this next week. It gets the charge
it so perfectly said.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well again, enjoy your weekend, man, and look forward to
chatting with you next week when you get back at it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Appreciate you, Pat, Yeah, thank you, all right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Passer Tan joins us every Friday at three thirty and
always always good conversation with him, and I I gotta
imagine this is a pretty exciting time for those guys.
I know the Broncos fans are a little nervous, understandably so,
but knowing what's his stake, it feels like that locker
room is ready for the moment, which, by all accounts,
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because they haven't experienced much of this. You could see
why maybe that they could potentially falter. We talk about
playing up to and down to your opponents. This team
is going to give the Chargers everything they got next week.
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Speaker 3 (28:35):
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Speaker 1 (28:38):
If you want to interact with that conversation what we
just had with passer Tan, this one isn't the fact
that the Broncos have a hard time scoring touchdowns a
worry for the future when they get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't know if hard time scoring touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Would be the way that I would frame this team,
because they are eleventh in red zone percentage, Like they're
the eleventh best team in the NFL and red zone
and they score over twenty four points per game on
the season, which is thirteenth best, So I see where
you're coming from. On there are certain games that they
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have had issues with red zone conversions. I mean, certainly
last week against Jacksonville. This week they were. Were they
in the end? I think they were two of four
on red zone touchdown conversions. It's just a blanket statement
like that is not true. But if you're going to
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win in the postseasons, certainly you have to close out
and then simultaneously for the defense, they've got to be
elite in the red zone. If anything, that's the more
concerning trend, more recent that I'm looking at, because they
allowed four red zone touchdowns versus Jacksonville. The only red
zone trip the Chiefs made last night, they got a
touchdown on them. So if there's one trend that I'm
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actually a little bit more concerned about, it's probably that one.
But again, that's something that is correctable. As you heard
from Passertan moments ago. We'll go through some of the
games this weekend in the four o'clock hour, what matters
to the Broncos, what we are watching for preview that
Parker Gabriel joins us after five o'clock. We'll hear Dave
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and Bo from last night's game in the five o'clock
hour as well on the text, like a couple of
interesting reactions to my points that I was making about
the red zone, says dude, I got called, dude, thirteenth
and eleventh best. How many teams do you think are
in this league? If that is not middle of the pack,
I don't know what is. That's pretty much the definition
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of middle of the pack. Thirteenth best sucks. Well again,
I hate to be the I told you so or
you know math guy here, but there's thirty two teams. Okay,
so we'll just do the quick math. The thirty two teams,
sixteenth best would technically be middle of the pack. Thirteenth
and eleventh best puts you closer to top third in the
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middle of the pack. But you know again, class half,
all of last half empty. Now I'm being called by
this person an apologist. No, no, no, I think more of
it is is you take these numbers and I say,
just on their surface. If it's just those numbers, and
you say had a bad defense right or a problematic
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special teams, then yeah, maybe that's not enough, like for example, Cincinnati,
and I'm not picking on these guys, go ahead today.
I'm not trying to pick on Cincinnati specifically, but like,
they are very good in the red zone. They're actually
the ninth best team in the red zone. But The
point of it is is they kind of have to
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be that if Cincinnati is gonna have any chance to
win games. The Broncos are converting that they're a top eleven,
top twelve ish team in the red zone and third down,
and that's as compliment to their defense, which is very good.
And some of these teams like Detroit. Detroit's a great
red zone team too. So, like by itself, that stat
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doesn't tell you everything you need to know, okay, but
there are other good teams that are playoff teams here.
Philadelphia is a good red zone team. They're number one,
The Rams are number three, right, these are really good teams.
Buffalo's number six, San Francisco's number eight. Pittsburgh they're a
playoff team. They're number nine. Jacksonville right ahead of the Broncos,
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basically the same exact percentage. So it doesn't tell you everything,
but it's certainly a marker of a good team, and
the Broncos are in the mix with all of these teams, okay,
but you do have to have the complimentary defense to it. So,
like I said, I think I think all of it
is is just part of what tells you the most
about the team. But that's why I came back to
the point of the Broncos. The blanket statement the Broncos
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struggle to score touchdowns in the red zone, the Broncos
struggle to score points. Well, that is not exactly true
or fair. What's fair is there are some inconsistencies to
the offense, but they've improved in a lot of these.
I mean, for example, their last three for the Broncos
in the red zone, there's a seventy percent completion a
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conversion rate in the red zone.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That would be up there's the second best in the
league if they sustain that over the course of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But what they are is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Around sixty one percent, which by the way, is also
what they were last year.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We'll talking about consistency.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Everybody says the Broncos are so inconsistent offense actually remarkably,
but this specific stat they're very consistent. Anyways, Listen, we
can have the debate, we have the discussion. I'm fine
stating where I'm at. I don't know if we had
to label hater or apologists, you know, calling me an
apologist because I'm explaining a stat and why I think
it's a valuable one. But you know again, everybody has
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their own perspective on these things, and I like the debate.
We'll come back, We'll continue this conversation with you five six,
six nine zero again.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Also give some love to the Nuggets. We'll do all
that next
Happy victory Friday. Everybody, welcome to it. Koe Sports, Ryan
edwars with you. Dave Logan's going to join me here
just a matter of moments, as he got in pretty
late last night from the game. We'll be taking your
reaction over the next three hours, five, six, six nights zero.
The Kiae Comma spirital text line. If you want to
interact with me about the game, If you want to
vent because you thought they should have won by more scores,
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I'm sure we can.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Ablige some of that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
If you're just thrilled to the Broncos or thirteen and
three can still control their own destiny not only to
the AFC West, but also to the conference, then you
can text that in as well. I definitely want to
hear from you. We have all sorts of fun stuff
coming up on the show today. Again, Dave's gonna join
me in a matter of moments. Patzertan expected to join
us at three thirty. We're gonna have Parker Gabriel, who
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was at the game and of course in the locker
room last night. He's going to join us after five.
We'll hear Dave and bow Nix together after five thirty
we'll get through some games, we'll tell you kind of
what the rooting interest here for the Broncos is over
the weekend, including tomorrow's big time game between the Texans
and the Chargers. That one, specifically tomorrow afternoon, has major
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implications not only for the division because if the Chargers
lose that game, then the Broncos claim the AFC West,
but also how it might impact when the game is
played next weekend, because if that game is just for conference,
then maybe it's an afternoon game. If it's for more
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than that, maybe it's going to be a primetime game.
But right now we're gonna head out to the Kiowe
count Spirit Health Hoighline and bring on my radio partner,
you effectually known him as Dave Logan, voice of the
Broncos as well. Dave, my friend, how are you feeling
on the day after a late night in Kansas City?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Feeling good? Glad to get a little downtime, and you
know what, the Broncos are thirteen to three, so you
can't you can't feel anything but good about that?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, of course the style points conversation as you
as you know, and we felt it last night on
react style points conversation is always a big one. I
don't know, man, as you had a chance to, I
guess digest that game just a little bit. It sounds
like you're coming away from this the same way I am,
and in by the numbers, they really dominated this game
in so many ways, with the exception of two stats,
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the turnover margin and the final points. So I guess
style points on one argument, good game from the Broncos.
Style points on the other is maybe a little close
for some people's comfort.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, I think that. I think this story of the
game last night really when you want to look at
it and say, why was that game so close? The Broncos,
as you said, dominated, I thought dominated the game. I
think they had seventy two or three snaps of offense
and you said forty nine. They had four drives that
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combined had fifty seven snaps, and I mean that's just
unheard of really in an NFL game. So, but the
issue was they got the red zone. You know, a
couple of times they had to settle, settle for short
field goals, and that that normally at any level of football,
but certainly in the NFL, can come back to bite you.
So the game was closer I think because of that.
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The turnover which was a hell to play really by
the Chiefs that put them on the Denver thirty five
yard line. That was the only scoring drive for a touchdown.
The Kansas City had the lakefield goal the tiet that
was after a forty five yard punt return. So there's
always things to look at. And the Broncos are like
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every other team I think in the AFC. They have warts,
they have things that they've got to work on, but
it's a hell of a lot easier to work on
those things when you're thirteen and three and what you
have to do now is get some rest and then
find a way to win one game and you're the
number one seat in the AFC. So I get it.
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I get the frustration at times the fans, because fans
want they want a juggernaut, and they want near perfection,
and they want forty five points a game, and they
want six or seven sacks a game, and I get it,
But the reality of it is that that's not usually
the way it happens in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
You pointed out the sacks, and we heard from coach
Payton last night that that wasn't the plan. The plan
wasn't to light up Oladuke, and it was to basically
contain him like that. That was an understand way that
they were going to play him. What did you think
about that idea or that process from Vance Joseph and
Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, they wanted to keep him in the pocket, yep.
And I think that. I mean, I was struck by
the fact that, And I've not gone back and looked
at that game this morning or this afternoon, but I
was struck by how many times the Broncos rushed only
for so I think what they wanted with an inexperienced
quarterback was to make him operate from the pocket, to
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make him look downfield and have to understand concepts and
what coverage am I getting and where's the weakness of
the coverage? And then I've got to be able to
throw an accurate pass instead of really coming at him
and allowing him or forcing him to do what he's
best at doing, which is stepping up and scrambling and
buying some time and running for a first down here
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and there. And he's just a really good athlete. But
so I can understand the plan they had one sack
and I can understand that, and really I think it
was a game that they on a very short week
and flying in late Christmas Eve to Kansas City. I
think they just wanted to find a way to win
the game. And ultimately, again, as you and I talked
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about last night after the game, that's how you're judged
in the NFL. How many games do you win and
how many games do you lose. There will always be
things to fix no matter if you win or lose,
but the bottom line is how many games you win.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And they won thirteen, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Dave Logan joining me here for a few minutes. I
wanted to go to the offensive game plan because I
was driving home last night listened to a little Fox
Sports radio and they were whining about how boring the
Broncos offense was and has been at part at times
during the course of the season. I do think there's
a little bit of a misnomer or a miscalculation on
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what they think the offense is doing sometimes because they're like, well,
they're not pushing the ball down the field and not
being aggressive. And I was like, did you watch the
last two games, the Packers game, the Jags game, there
was plenty of times that they were pushing the ball
down the field, and early on in the season, I
felt like there was a bit of a gripe of
some people out there because they said, well, they're pushing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
The ball down the field too much.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And so now they've dialed into this hyper efficient offense
and they've done this, especially in some of these short
weeks or against the Raiders, both games will already come
down on what the offense is at this point in
the season.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I thought early in the game, I thought bo was
a little a little bit off a couple of his passes.
That's going to happen. And then I thought whether intentional
or whether he's he was he was coached up on
the sideline, or whether he just realized, and I thought
he ran effectively from that point on. He got a
couple of key first downs, and I think that's one
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of the components, honestly, of this offense that makes it
a little bit different. And I would embrace that, and
I would encourage that in the last whatever regular season
game against the Chargers and hopefully a couple of home
playoff games. I mean, he can extend plays now you
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want you want to when you when you climb a pocket,
you want to keep your eyes downfield, and you do
want to be able to hit some passes too, because
you can generate a lot of big plays in the
passing game on sort of broken plays from the quarterback
in the pocket. But more importantly, you want to be
able to judiciously decide when should I take a shot
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and when do I just run and pick up eight, ten,
twelve yards go feet first, get and stand keep the
other team's offense off the field. I think Bo has
a really nice ability as an athlete to do that,
and honestly, he hasn't done it as much this year
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as he did his rookie season, and I would like
to see that increase a little bit as we go on.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I would too.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
He by the way, he tied Andrew Luck with ten
fourth quarter comeback games in this first couple couple games
of a couple of seasons of his career. I tell
you what, there is a point where that belief and
we're gonna hear some sound from Eric Manngini here in
just a little bit, because he was talking about how
it should be viewed as a positive. This team has
a belief that they can win these close games versus
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viewed as a negative, and it's remarkable how that gets
twisted and turned again that whole you should be dominating
some of these opponents that you are clearly favored in
well favored is whatever, right, That's what Vegas is setting
the line at. I think that there's and you've played
the game, you would know that there's more of a
function of what we talk about on the outside. Inside
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the building, they talk about, well, we got to win
this match, we got to do this, and these are
all paid professionals. I just think the internal belief and
especially what Bonix has been able to do, and it's
still some of that has been truly remarkable.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, I think again, and you and I have talked
about it. I think when a team has confidence that
no matter what the set of circumstances, they can find
a way to come back and win, whether you're a
score down in the third or whether you're two scores
down on the fourth. You've got that confidence because you
have seen it manifest itself. You've been able to come
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back and win games. And we could cite all the
games that that has happened on the road against Philadelphia
at home against the Giants on the road against Houston.
So when that happens, and it happens a number of times,
there's just and I wish you could bottle it. I
have felt and I know what it feels like. But
there's a feeling in the huddle that a you know what,
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we're fine, we're just going to we'll go down to
score here and find a way to win the game.
And it's a powerful, powerful thing. So I'd rather have
that and a team, a team that is just kicking
everybody's ass on a regular basis, week after week after week,
and then they get into a playoff game and all
of a sudden, the game is close and opes you
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had to turnover and you're down ten with eight minutes
to go in the fourth. I'd rather have that team
that had exhibited an ability to come back find a
way to win a game, because I would just feel
like that team would have the best chance.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
To do it again right, and that it feels like
will be something that's going to be valuable for this
team when they get to the postseason. Somebody asks a
quick question, and I'll ask you, what does Dave want?
Does he want a first round buy or no? First
round by makes me a little nervous, so that extra
time off. I mean it feels like you always aim
for the first round by because it's time to rest
your body. But we have seen instance this is of
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the past, where teams have I don't know, maybe lost
some momentum in a first round by. I guess I
would imagine you're still rooting for a first round by.
But I'll ask you the question here.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I think you never really know when you have
a buy. You never really know how your team's going
to come back and play. Because NFL players, football players
in general, are creatures, have habits. You get very used
to doing the same thing over and over and over again.
I mean, that's that's the way you get better. You
get used to going in and having a Friday work
and then Saturday you have to walk through and the
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Sunday you drive the stadium and you play, and then
then you do it again the next week. And so
when you have a week off, I think it's important
that the staff and this is a veteran staff obviously
with Sean, that they have a plan that they know exactly,
you know, how they want these players to recover. What
they want these players to do because there's a bunch
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of new guys on this team. This is not like
even though they went to the playoffs last year, it's
not like this is a veteran a great veteran group
that has had plenty of playoff tick, and now this
is they're just gearing up that So, but I would
like the bye week because it ensures if you're good
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enough to win a game, that game is at home,
and you played the AFC championship game the next week
and that game is at home too. So I would
sacrifice a little bit of the unknown to a get
my guys some rest and get some guys that are
nicked up healthy, and b to understand that with this buy,
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we have to win two home games here in Denver
to go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Agreed. Last one.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Did you see Herbstreet last night trying to get Bonix
to pet his dog. Apparently Bonix doesn't like dogs. It's
kind of a thing that, I mean, I didn't know.
I guess you wouldn't know unless you were around a
person with a dog. But yeah, Herdtree put out a
video this morning showing how he brought his dog, Heater,
out there on the field and was trying to get
Bonix to pet his dog because Bonis doesn't like dogs.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Were you aware of this?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Oh no, I didn't see that. Weird. I might have
to have a conversation with both. I'm not sure how that.
Maybe a dog bit him as a kid or something,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, he said he was he was attacked.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I was gonna say you definitely, because I know you're
a big dog guy. So he said in the video
that he when he was very little, he was attacked.
He didn't really give too much detail, but he was
attacked by dog and they didn't have dogs as a family,
so he just wasn't you know. After that, they just
he wasn't around dogs much of his life. Had I
had a college roommate that was also afraid of dogs,
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and a very quick story. So we were living together
with a couple other guys in an apartment like off campus,
and I brought a puppy over because my friend had
just gotten a puppy, Golden Retriever, the cutest thing ever,
and I brought it over and he quite literally ran
away like he like grown man in his early twenties,
sprinted out of the house because he was so deathly
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afraid of dogs, and I had never experienced that in
my entire life. But I guess if that's like your
experience with it, it does exist.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I mean, if you've had a bad experience with dogs,
I guess I understand that. But I mean, give me,
maybe not by the end of this year, but give
me a couple of years with bo and he'll be
the spokesperson for the Dumb Friends League.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I love it, man, I love it, man.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And like I said, I know, when I saw this,
I immediately thought of you, because I know, yeah, you're
a really a big dog guy. And so I was like,
I was like, oh, man, I guess it would never
come up, right, you never have those conversations with somebody.
But then to see him, he's visibly when you can
send some sez a video on social media, he's visibly
uncomfortable on the field with Herbstreet and his dog like
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next to him.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
He must have had I mean, he must have had
a really bad bad Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, and then then part of me.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Like you get on maybe a little bit of a
different level when that a girl broke up with you
and you were a sophomore in high school.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
That was that was off. That was off off record. Bro,
that's that's so.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But you've listen, look at you now, Mary, you've been
able to overcome that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That that's a very that's a very good point. That's
very good point. Well, Dave, like I said, man, great
to catch up with you. What a great call last
night is always enjoy some time and let's get ready
for this stretch run.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Sounds good, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
There you go, my radio partner, Dave Logan, big dog guy,
big dog guy.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So but again, you would you wouldn't know. You just
don't know that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The comments though, listen, I'll say like this, I like dogs,
like cats, like like all pets. In fact, at one
point I wanted to be a veterinarian. That's how much
would like animals. But the comments are weird on this
video because there's a lot of well he needs to
get over it, or if he just knew how great
dogs were. It's like, listen, I'm sure he's had people
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in his lifetime. Even when I brought that puppy over
to my college roommate, I was like, it's a puppy,
it's a golden retriever puppy. Look, it's just floppy, like
it just wants to lick you to death. I mean
not to death obviously, you know. But he was like,
he said, you're lucky you didn't bring that near me,
because I might have like swung at it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I was like, it's a puppy.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
If you had swung it out and swung at you,
I was, I was ready to box with this. It's
like not even my dog. I was ready to box
with my roommate over a puppy. But anyways, that fear, though,
like it stuck with me because in my mind it
sounded like, you know, a bit of a silly thing,
but like I don't like snakes, right, like not a fan.
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My wife she had a pet snake when we first
I first met her. She obviously not just a friend,
but she had a pet snake. And it took me
a while to get over that. And initially I was like, well,
this might be a you know, a deal breaker kind
of you. I'm like, you have a pet snake. I
don't like snakes. But then I eventually kind of, you know,
work through some of that. Still don't like snakes, but
I eventually worked through it. So that we could be
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you know, together. But in this case, I guess when
I saw this video this morning, I kept thinking, you
know what if that would.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Have messed up bo Nix's focus for.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
The game, Like this was on the field pregame when
Boenix has warmed me up and getting his head right,
and there's Kirk Kurbstreet's another reason for me not to
like him. There's Kirk kurb Street out there with his
dog making our quarterback uncomfortable. And so part of me started,
you know, started thinking about like, hey, did he have
like Chiefs plus thirteen and a half and he's you know,
(17:37):
I'm just kidding, that's that's not a thing, But why
are you messing with my quarterback pregame?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Herbie.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That's what I started getting upset about, more so than
Bonaks needs to get over this fear of dogs. You
could see, like you go see the video, it's he's
he's visually uncomfortable with this moment. But then you know,
Corlin Sutton and having Ingram and you know, several come
up and they pet the dog, and her Street's like, yeah,
you gotta pet my dog. I gotta pet my dog,
Pet my dog. It's a great dog. Look, it's great dog. Yeah,
(18:07):
you know what people with.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Those kinds of fears. And I told this to my roommate,
it's a great dog. It didn't change anything. He still
bolted out of the house. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
He left, he hide, healed it out of the house
and then he got mad at me. And I'm like,
you're mad at me. It's a puppy anyways, but go
check it out. It's on Herb Streets video. I'm just god,
I didn't like the Brons would have lost that game,
and Boenix like, had I you remember a few weeks
ago against the Raiders on Thursday night and how bad
he played. If you would have had another performance like
(18:39):
that on the road, they would have lost that game
to the Chiefs and they would have seen this video
the next day. It wouldn't be very cute. I guarantee
Broncos fans have a different feel about this video the
next day, seeing how uncomfortable their quarterback is in the
pregame as he's getting his head right for a pivotal
game this season, and there's Herb Street out there, like,
pet my dog a dog?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Why don't you have a dog? A dog? Anyways five
six six niney zero or Kai Commas Spirit Hill text line.
Listen here.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I kind of think it's bad on her street to
just put out Bow's fear of dogs on social media.
Kind of right, that's that's a pretty personal thing. Boenix
probably doesn't want to be out there talking about that.
Now he's gonna get asked about it in the press
conference and he's gonna have to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Leave your dog at home. I know this is a
her free bit.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He's been doing this for years, just bringing his dog
all over the world with him. You know, I don't
know it's actually a new dog. This is the other
one recently passed. Is actually very sad but true story.
Comrade Edwards, I have a crippling fear of whales in
all large marine mammals because of the trip to an
aquarium where I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I get the dog thing with both.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
See that's what I'm saying, Like, I bet and the
comrade were Edward's thing funny, But I bet that there
are people that don't understand that and like you're afraid
of a whale. I mean, come on, it's a whale.
It's but yeah, a lot of our things. Anyways, we'll
(20:13):
get back to the tech. You guys have some great text.
Somebody asked me what I ordered for Chinese last night.
Thank you for listening to our post game last night,
broncas Rick went all the way to the midnight.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I had these shrimp fried rice. It was very good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's very very good, but basically all we could order
on Christmas evening as we're all sitting around here working
until midnight. All right, we're off rolling here on a
beautiful afternoons here in the myle ied city, on a
victory Friday. When we come back, patro Tan expected to
join us. That's coming up next. Pat, congratulations on another
(20:44):
win last night. Man, How are you?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm doing good. I got doing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Happy Holidays to you man as well. Merry Christmas. Appreciate
you giving us a few minutes here. What a win
last night. And as you could attest, being with his
team for as many years as you have, Winged Arrowhead
is never easy, is it.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
No, it's never easy. We knew what he was going into,
what we signed up for, going into a pretty loud
environment in KC. We know it's never easy to sort
of say you're gonna go into the game and it's
going to be a cruise. So I'm glad we got
the win though, and uh, you know, and we still
(21:20):
control our own destiny moving forward, So that's.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
One hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So last night we heard from Sean Payton and he
said something to the effect that when he was asked about, well,
you didn't get you only got one sack against Oladokin
and wondering about sort of game plan there, it felt
like you guys had the intention of keeping him in
the pocket and having him operate from that and not escaping.
Is that because of his mobility and the way that
(21:46):
you guys have in the past faced guys quarterbacks that
have a lot of mobility.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, obviously when we was watching film, he's a pretty
mobile quarterback. Uh, you know, was making second players with
his feet, and I think it was pretty evident yesterday
when players wasn't alive, he was making players to his feet.
(22:13):
And uh, there are some players where we could have
done a bit of job of containing and there's other
players where he made great plays, uh by all rushing
in the same uh in the same gaps and stuff
like that. So, uh, it's one of those weird games
where you know there's a new quarterback that's involved, and
you got to see, Okay, what is this god good
(22:35):
at going into the game, and uh, it seems like
that's pretty evident with his ability moving on his feet.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He said, kind of a weird game.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It felt like a lot of these Thursday night games
are kind of weird games. Uh, you know, you've been
league now for several years. What do you feel like
you know about Thursday night games and your experiences with him?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah? I know that that is a short week and
obviously those who prepare the best usually come out on top.
I think there's this feat they're saying teams who usually lead,
you know at halftime, usually end up winning those games.
And yesterday was quite the impressive feet because we was
(23:17):
down trailing and have you know, we found a way
to come back and win the game. So that's never
easy itself, but there's.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Always a short turnaround games that the team that prepared
the best always gonna come out on top and win.
Just because of the short game plan week, everybody and
their bodies is not as rested as going into a
full week.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
So it's one of those get right games for sure,
But I'm glad it came out on top.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Now, you guys have a final game of the regular
season against the Chargers coming up next week. Wanted to
ask you a couple of questions about that. You got
ten days to prepare well. Again, assuming it's on Sunday.
Maybe it's a Saturday game.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Still still waiting to find that out. But you guys
use this time. I know what I heard Garaboles talking
about last night. An opportunity to disconnect a little bit
here over a couple of days and then get back
into it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Is there an opportunity? Also?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Do you do you watch much football over this weekend
or do you really disconnect? Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Still be watching football, but at the same time, I
do take, you know, my time away from it, knowing
the type of schedule we have, strenuous schedule we have
each and every week, and it's a long season. But
there's a lot of playoff implications this week, so I'm
gonna definitely be tuned in some fun and exciting games.
(24:38):
So but in his meantime, on the you know, his weekend,
I'm gonna spend time with my family for sure, And
I enjoyed a presence.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, definitely no doubt about that man.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Well, and for the Chargers, you guys have gone against
Justin Herbert now several times.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
He is just having a great season. I mean, low key,
and I know a.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Lot of the some other quarterbacks are getting more MVP conversations,
but you watch the Chargers and the way they're able
to win these games, and a lot of it is
kind of him carrying things. They're missing their starting two
tackles and he's out there making plays all over the place.
What what is about his game? What is about Justin
Herbert specifically? And I guess we'll dial in a little
bit more next Friday. What have what have you noticed
(25:20):
about his game and how it's been over the last
several years.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I've seen it evolved. It seems like you mentally, obviously
the talent is there, but I'd like the way how
he's stay calm and stay poised and lead his team
on clutch game winning drives. I think it's pretty evident
these past couple of weeks. And obviously with the O line,
(25:47):
you know they're pretty injury riddled right now, so but
for him to be able to pull through and you know,
be resilient through that is a big testimony to him.
So you know, justin he's a great quarterback and he's
gonna be always one of the top quarterbacks in this league,
you know, as long as he keep on playing.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So all right, last one I have for you, man,
and again enjoy your time.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
This is the next few days, get back to work,
coming up against the Chargers. So for you guys, with
with knowing what's at stake in the next game, is
that an excitement about the possibility of having the one seed,
about winning the division? How have you guys been able
to stay steady and not let the pressure of these
(26:31):
moments over the last few weeks kind of collapse the team.
What is it about this team and they're resilience that
has led led you to this point.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I mean I think pressure makes diamonds, and I
think we're a team that is stuck with that mantra,
you know. I mean throughout the season, you know we've
been in we find a way to close up ball games.
We always win within you know, how many how many
games you won with you know, one score games ever
(27:02):
we won. So it goes to show the team's resilience
and confidence and one another and finding ways to get
the job done, because no matter how you win in
this league, and win is a win and that's the
most important stat in this league. So and you know,
it's funny because we always feel like we haven't reached
that game where we feel like it was fully complete
(27:25):
on both sides, you know, And that's what's scary about it.
But I feel like going into the playoffs, we honestly
we know where we need to work on and where
we need to fix and correct, and why not show
it off within this next week. It gets the charge
it so perfectly said.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well again, enjoy your weekend, man, and look forward to
chatting with you next week when you get back at it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Appreciate you, Pat, Yeah, thank you, all right.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Passer Tan joins us every Friday at three thirty and
always always good conversation with him, and I I gotta
imagine this is a pretty exciting time for those guys.
I know the Broncos fans are a little nervous, understandably so,
but knowing what's his stake, it feels like that locker
room is ready for the moment, which, by all accounts,
(28:10):
because they haven't experienced much of this. You could see
why maybe that they could potentially falter. We talk about
playing up to and down to your opponents. This team
is going to give the Chargers everything they got next week.
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Speaker 3 (28:35):
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Speaker 1 (28:38):
If you want to interact with that conversation what we
just had with passer Tan, this one isn't the fact
that the Broncos have a hard time scoring touchdowns a
worry for the future when they get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't know if hard time scoring touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Would be the way that I would frame this team,
because they are eleventh in red zone percentage, Like they're
the eleventh best team in the NFL and red zone
and they score over twenty four points per game on
the season, which is thirteenth best, So I see where
you're coming from. On there are certain games that they
(29:13):
have had issues with red zone conversions. I mean, certainly
last week against Jacksonville. This week they were. Were they
in the end? I think they were two of four
on red zone touchdown conversions. It's just a blanket statement
like that is not true. But if you're going to
(29:34):
win in the postseasons, certainly you have to close out
and then simultaneously for the defense, they've got to be
elite in the red zone. If anything, that's the more
concerning trend, more recent that I'm looking at, because they
allowed four red zone touchdowns versus Jacksonville. The only red
zone trip the Chiefs made last night, they got a
touchdown on them. So if there's one trend that I'm
(29:56):
actually a little bit more concerned about, it's probably that one.
But again, that's something that is correctable. As you heard
from Passertan moments ago. We'll go through some of the
games this weekend in the four o'clock hour, what matters
to the Broncos, what we are watching for preview that
Parker Gabriel joins us after five o'clock. We'll hear Dave
(30:17):
and Bo from last night's game in the five o'clock
hour as well on the text, like a couple of
interesting reactions to my points that I was making about
the red zone, says dude, I got called, dude, thirteenth
and eleventh best. How many teams do you think are
in this league? If that is not middle of the pack,
I don't know what is. That's pretty much the definition
(30:39):
of middle of the pack. Thirteenth best sucks. Well again,
I hate to be the I told you so or
you know math guy here, but there's thirty two teams. Okay,
so we'll just do the quick math. The thirty two teams,
sixteenth best would technically be middle of the pack. Thirteenth
and eleventh best puts you closer to top third in the
(31:00):
middle of the pack. But you know again, class half,
all of last half empty. Now I'm being called by
this person an apologist. No, no, no, I think more of
it is is you take these numbers and I say,
just on their surface. If it's just those numbers, and
you say had a bad defense right or a problematic
(31:21):
special teams, then yeah, maybe that's not enough, like for example, Cincinnati,
and I'm not picking on these guys, go ahead today.
I'm not trying to pick on Cincinnati specifically, but like,
they are very good in the red zone. They're actually
the ninth best team in the red zone. But The
point of it is is they kind of have to
(31:44):
be that if Cincinnati is gonna have any chance to
win games. The Broncos are converting that they're a top eleven,
top twelve ish team in the red zone and third down,
and that's as compliment to their defense, which is very good.
And some of these teams like Detroit. Detroit's a great
red zone team too. So, like by itself, that stat
(32:06):
doesn't tell you everything you need to know, okay, but
there are other good teams that are playoff teams here.
Philadelphia is a good red zone team. They're number one,
The Rams are number three, right, these are really good teams.
Buffalo's number six, San Francisco's number eight. Pittsburgh they're a
playoff team. They're number nine. Jacksonville right ahead of the Broncos,
(32:26):
basically the same exact percentage. So it doesn't tell you everything,
but it's certainly a marker of a good team, and
the Broncos are in the mix with all of these teams, okay,
but you do have to have the complimentary defense to it. So,
like I said, I think I think all of it
is is just part of what tells you the most
about the team. But that's why I came back to
the point of the Broncos. The blanket statement the Broncos
(32:48):
struggle to score touchdowns in the red zone, the Broncos
struggle to score points. Well, that is not exactly true
or fair. What's fair is there are some inconsistencies to
the offense, but they've improved in a lot of these.
I mean, for example, their last three for the Broncos
in the red zone, there's a seventy percent completion a
(33:09):
conversion rate in the red zone.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That would be up there's the second best in the
league if they sustain that over the course of the season.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But what they are is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Around sixty one percent, which by the way, is also
what they were last year.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
We'll talking about consistency.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Everybody says the Broncos are so inconsistent offense actually remarkably,
but this specific stat they're very consistent. Anyways, Listen, we
can have the debate, we have the discussion. I'm fine
stating where I'm at. I don't know if we had
to label hater or apologists, you know, calling me an
apologist because I'm explaining a stat and why I think
it's a valuable one. But you know again, everybody has
(33:50):
their own perspective on these things, and I like the debate.
We'll come back, We'll continue this conversation with you five six,
six nine zero again.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Also give some love to the Nuggets. We'll do all
that next
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