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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What did you just do.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The I don't know what it is with this thing? Yeah, uh,
it falls off. I think one time they didn't hit
your leg.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yes at one point. Yes, So it's like a like
a booby trap that it is. Yeah, there's no vectin
in here, so I don't know we have these booby traps?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Did I say that?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Wy?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah you did?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You did and get no spoilers. Some people haven't haven't
caught up.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's the fault, not my problem. You know what I saw.
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Look you you get just gave me. I am not
that type of guy, Ryan, I'm not that type of guy.
You're still looking at me in that way like, sure, Nick,
you're not that type of guy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm not if I if I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Was going to do anything of that nature, I would
have done it by now, okay, just to let you
know like.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You would have you would have waited even longer to
talk about stranger things, or you would have done it
even sooner.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You're saying you had to open the show with hey,
happend to be here?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yess what?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes, I would have done that last week. I didn't
do that. You didn't do that, But I'm glad you
were all caught up.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I am finally caught us. Yeah, I finally caught up.
And the finale is coming up on it this week,
and obviously we're excited about that. We have a lot
to get to over the course of our show over
the next three hours. The big breaking news justin Herbert
is not going to play in this game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are a surprised? Isn't the word? There's a little bit
of a wonder about it?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The speculation on Twitter since Saturday has been, well, the
Chargers and actually more since yesterday when the Bills lost.
The Chargers are in control in a lot of ways
of who they want to play in the first round
in the wild card round if they win on Sunday,
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and again we now know the games that Sunday through
twenty five in a power field of mile high. If
they went on Sunday, then they basically turn around and
play the Broncos. Now everything working out this way it's
supposed to, right, the Bills win, Jaguars win, the Texans win.
More importantly, the Bills and the Texans because those teams
that the Chargers are competing for in the wild card spots.
Assuming they win and they do have matchups that they
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are heavy favorites in, then the Chargers will be the
seventh seed in that respect. And so the Chargers have
an ability here to choose who they want. Do they
want to play the Broncos in back to back weeks
at empower Field a mile high? Or would they consider
it losing resting guys, resting Justin Herbert who's banged up,
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resting some of their defensive players.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
We'll see what what ultimately Jim Harbot decides to do.
I think the Brons got to play a straight up
either way. Broncos have to play this straight up no
matter what.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
The quarterbacks out, but you got to play as though
you want this game, you need this game, don't play
it like you're playing backups, and because we know what
that looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But the point of it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Is, the Chargers had a very unique situation here that
so to your point, and I'm being very long waited, sorry,
to your point, was I surprised, No, not surprised. I
don't even know if it was expected. But I wondered
if the Chargers thought critically about the situation, if they
would take this path knowing well, maybe instead of playing
the Broncos back to back weeks, you go to Foxborough
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and play the Patriots and you feel like you match
up a little better against them.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I can see how you know, coach Halbar can have
that mindset, and also being really strategical at this stage
of the game is important. If you can somewhat dictate
your own fate and player team that you feel that
you might match up better with, then by all means,
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go ahead and do it now. On the surface, I
don't think the Chargers match up well with Drake May
and the Patriots. I really don't because in the game
against the Houston Texans, five sacks that the Texans were
able to pull down against Justin Herbert, and that offensive
line isn't that great.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Obviously they're beat up.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And if you can, as a coach, give your quarterback
a rest, because let's not forget I.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Mean, Herbert came back seven days.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
After hurt hand surgery, which I thought was boss as hell, because,
I mean, your quarterback, even though it's on your non
thrown hand, your offensive line isn't that great. You're gonna
start using that offhand to kind of protect yourself when
you fall on the ground. But he is kind of
you know, fought through it. Even in that game against
Hughton Texans, even when he was under duress, he found
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ways to get lose and get on the perimeter, which
I think is one of the most dangerous attributes of
most of the quarterbacks that play in the NFL, and
it's something that the Broncos both Knicks can do himself.
I just I wish he did more of it. I
wish that the team leaned more into it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That was just my wish.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, sure, I mean I can see that, and maybe
the postseason will see a little bit more so.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You think all of a sudden in the post because
I've heard this theory before that in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Man, all those plays.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Coming out, you know, it reminds me, what was the
coach from from from water Boy?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
That's what I was gonna say. It wasn't a coach. Well,
there's there's a coach client. Yes, yeah, coach Client. But
I was thinking from water Boy and more of the announcer.
Oh gosh, former Chargers. Oh yeah, Dan found stand fouts. Yeah,
so Dan Foux being like last game of the season,
can't hold the thing back. That's my mindset of the
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Broncos a approach of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
We're just gonna wait and we're gonna keep this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
These couple of plays, we're gonna shelf them, and then
once we get into dance.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh Mercy, we'll bout to drop the hammler. That's kind
of the idea.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wouldn't it makes some sense?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, you make it make a sense to me because.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right now I don't think you hold back feels like
a strong way to frame it. I'd say more of
understand that you haven't really reached and attained all that
you are possible or capable of. We've seen some moments
like the Green Bay game for example, where kind of
everything came together right, all three phases had really good performance.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
There's the reason why, Ryan, that came together.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Because you were forced based on that opponent, so you
had to elevate your level play. Remember like in the
Raiders game on Thursday night and also in the Thursday
night game against Can't See. The idea was that the
Broncos played down to those teams like, no, you're gonna
get team's best shot, and breen Bay playoff caliber team,
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Giving you their best shot.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
For me, that showed me that the Broncos were treating
me in the right direction where they were saying, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Know what, we are ready, We are ready.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But it is showing consistency of being able to carry
that water and improve that. So if you're telling me
that there is going to be this offensive explosion that
as soon as the Broncos hit the playoffs, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Here for it. I just want to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well we all do, we all do it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And again I don't have inside.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Information on that.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I just know listening to the players and talking to
them in the locker room, they understand they haven't realized
or become the thing that they vote that they want
to be right, and they know there's another level to
their performance and so gosh, what better way or what
better time to have that next level of your performance.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Than in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Is almost like the butterfly ef flect you're talking about,
Like when a calapillar goes into the cocoon.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Here we go. What no, No, this is what you're talking.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
About, right, the calapillar goes into cocoon. Once it goes
into the cocoon, a couple of days later, boom bam,
it's a full flash butterfly right, So that's what we're
looking at right now, the Broncos in that slow, methodical
calterpillar stage into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Beautiful butterfly, right, that's what you're telling me. They can't
see they can't see me with my with my arms out,
beautiful butterfly, that's what That's what we're calling it. Right.
If you're telling me that, I went you sign me
up for it?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Come on? Is it a beautiful butterfly effect?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Five?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Six sixth thing?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Zeros are ka commas paradell text line? Somebody asking, is
the furthest the Broncos can falls three seed? That is
so if they do follow the Chargers, and again, I
don't know how many of their players they are going
to play arrest or maybe they have a bit of
a tune up period, like we'll go a couple of
series with Keenan Allen and Quintin Johnston and o'maron Hampton
and maybe then they bench those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Who knows. We really don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We'll find out later on the week from Jim Harbaugh
from the Beat out there. We'll we'll continue to speculate,
but we know for certain Justin Herbert will not be
out there. It'll be Trey Lance starting in this game.
So that does impact things. It impacts quite a few things.
It also impacts the way the defense plays against the
Chargers too. There's a there's a fingerprint to the scheme, right,
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but what Trey Lance and what Justin Herbert are capable
of as quarterbacks is vastly different.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We both can move.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but why would you change the scheme if you
advanced just because Herbert's not playing?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, there's limitations of the passing game with Trey Lance
that are not present with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I always keep the thing, the main thing we're getting
after the quarterback. You chose to put Trey Lance in
the game, We're gonna choose to put him on the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, no, that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No more about it is the way that they're gonna
approach the game.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So maybe I'm not explaining it right.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So Justin Herbert, obviously he Keith threatens you with every
blade of grass, right. I mean he can run the ball.
Obviously he's elite passing traits. Trey Lance does not have
the elite passing traits. But he can run the ball,
he can move, and if you allow him to escape,
through some of those lanes. Well, that's the reason why
they played them ultimately the way they played him.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
At least that's what Sean Payton said. Yeah, I know
you don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Wait wait wait, I mean get that to me again,
because put that in context.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I didn't hear the mush rush, you know, trying to
trying to contain more so than get a feeling.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And you look at your face. See, I'm just telling you.
I already know I know, I know you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
What do you mean you know me? I know you?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And how you don't agree with that sentiment.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You don't agree with the idea that you can't sack
the quarterback and contain him in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I believe that containing mobile quarterbacks is really key. But
I also believe what my eyes showed me too as well.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The text line very quickly here.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
They won't play the Broncos back to back because the
Broncos aren't first round by No, they would play the
Broncos back to back if they beat the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's the maybe I didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Explain that right, They would if they beat the Broncos
on Sunday with Trey Lance at this point, h then
assuming the Bills and the Texans take care of business,
which a lot of people are expecting them to. But
the Chargers would be the sixth seed. If they beat
the Broncos, they could move all the way up to
the five seed if the Texans lose, but again, the
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Texans are probably not going to lose, So if they
move up to the sixth seed, then the Broncos would
fall way back to the three seed.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
If the Broncos lose this game, and.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
This again assuming the Patriots win too, I mean, there's
like assumption of this assumption of this. I'm just saying
that the Patriots win, the Broncos lose, the Patriots will
be the one seed and Backsonville is also expected to win,
So then they're gonna be w that's right, and they
would they would fall away to the three seed, which
means that the Chargers would now be cemented at the
sixth seed because they probably can't climb to the five
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since they lost the head to head of the Texans.
They would be submitted to the six seeds. So three
versus six, that's what we were saying. Now, if the
Broncos get to buy and this is the forty chess
conversation part of it because if the Chargers opt to say, well,
we don't want to play the Broncos back.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
To back at Mile High, Okay, fine, you're playing this week.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Maybe get a chance to rest some guys, get a
little healthier for the postseason run. They're pretty banged up
they are. You're gonna play the Patriots and you're the
seventh seed. Now, if you can find a way to
win that, then you do play the Broncos again in
the divisional round. That would be the path for the Chargers,
and then they would end up playing probably one of
the AFC South teams.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I imagine one of those two teams are gonna be miss.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I think this is a great idea by coach Harvard,
especially with the team being beat up as much as
they are.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You already know.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You then so so so that part of the story.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You've already checked that box.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Now, the idea is that, Okay, you're trying to figure
out who you're going to play, but you want to
make sure that you're at your healthiest to give yourself
a shot. So the idea is, if it's a toss up,
if the Charges are able to beat the Broncos on
Sunday with Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's just icing on the cake, right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But the idea is that we don't need that we
already know that we're in the dance. We want to
make sure that we have a long run in the dance.
So the only way we could do that make sure
our quarterback is healthy. And they're probably gonna maybe rest
some other guys because they're gonna look at this game
as it's a throwaway game for them.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's a throwaway game.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And so you asked me the very beginning, like was
I surprised by this? It's like, well, if you logically
break it all down like we just did, then no,
of course you're not surprised that they're benchings server.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You should bench everybody you can't bit. But you know
what I'm saying, like you.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Should of consequence or guys that are more currently banged up,
you know, dealing with some things.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You know, you have some light you know, no injury.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Like a preseason game exactly, meaningless you know, for the Chargers, yeah,
it'd be like some nice to be able to play spoiler,
But you understand what you're working against here, and you
understand we're going to be playing on the other side
of this game no matter what.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
We're not playing for anything other than to get ready
for the postseason at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It also gives an opportunity to see how the Broncos
are going to run certain things, right are they going
to pull the coach plane and run a couple of
plays as they tried to prepare for the postseason. And
you get the chance to get a picture of that
which which is so important. And I did notice at
the back of for just a second, I noticed that
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you did not answer what I said about the butterfly effect.
I noticed you didn't. You try to get no credit
to it. Yeah, you try. You just try to validate
it your analogy.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's too early for me in the show for.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Analogies, not about the analogies themselves. But can you can
you pull back the curt and move past analogies and
see the actual description for what it's stating. That's the
thing I think you do. But you don't want to
give it any credit.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I know, I know you don't.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, you didn't really answer my question either.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So so it's a different tat now, that's right. I
didn't answer yours, so what question did you ask me
that I didn't answer.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I was asking you about the way that you rushed
Trey Lance versus the way you rush justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
There is no difference.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I answer your question. That is an answer.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's not right. That's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's not what we're doing. That that's not see that
happens in marriages and relationships.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You asked me a question.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I answered it, but it wasn't the answer you wanted,
so you said it was invalid.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
In what universe are we playing justin Herbert and Trey
Lance the same way?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, the idea is that you play your defense.
You do what you do right. You get out there
and say, okay, well if you.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Ran simulate the pressure against other individuals, you run the
same thing. You did the same thing against you know, uh,
Jordan Love, as you did with Trey Lance. You're not
gonna do it any different. I mean, you did it
with Jordan Love, and you did it with Jordana Trevor Lawrence,
so you're not gonna do any difference with Trey Lance.
You go out there and you do your different run
your defense because your guys have to run and focus
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on their their drop points, what they're doing against man quarters,
whatever you're running, they have to focus on that to
make sure that they're clicking on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Because you don't want to say.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Okay, well we're just going to make a defense just
to play this guy and we're not going to see
him after this note. Do what you do.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Don't change it up for him, because guess what are
you in fear of Trey Lance? No, so we're gonna
we're gonna go do what we do.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's not fear, no what you call it, design that
at all.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's just understanding that there's different skill sets for different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Your teachery, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Even even if the finger put of the offense is
the same. So like, for example, we have a very
recent example of that, Chris Oladokin versus Patrick Mahomes. Now
you're telling me you play chrys Oladokin the same exact
way you play Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm gonna run the same defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So why would you not run your same defense that
you've been running all season long.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You're playing against a guy who is a third team quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know he's mobile, Like I told jo Joe, he's mobile,
he has he can throw the deep ball, but rush
to contain and let me step up in the pocket
and let Zach Allen and all those guys go to work.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You don't change just for a guy who's playing what
on Christmas and this is the only time were going
to see him. We're not changing for that.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We do not do what we do.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's not changing, it's understanding.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Like, I feel like this is an obvious thing, So
I don't want to spend the rest of the show
arguing about it, but just put it in context for me,
Like if you're playing Joe Flacco, I'm trying to think
of the least mobile quarterback, and that's the first one
that pops into my head.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Mobility of a couch.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You're playing Joe Flacko versus playing need mobile quarterback. You
want to put out there, Lamar Jackson, you have a
different mindset, you have a different philosophical Jackson. Okay, well
that's extreme version. But let's just take any mobile quarterback.
Least take Trey Lance for crying out loud or even
justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Okay, when you.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Have a quarterback that is going to be statuesque, Philip
rivers another one you're gonna rush them different. You have
a different rush plan than you do for those other quarterbacks. Feel,
oh my god, get a feel in their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You played an era of football that just doesn't gone.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Your job is to rush the passer, so so get up,
feel make his life miserable.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right, and as long as you put an edge on
the defense and force him to step up into a gaps,
we good.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Is he too high?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Somebody asked. Somebody asked that you're going to go high?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I know it's the holiday season, but what is nick
consuming evathly dosed?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Was the egg?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Or how heavily toast?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Was the egg?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Dog? I don't drink eggnog. No I will do that either.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Somebody asking where Dave Logan today? We already played the drop.
Day's not here? Yes, yeah, Dave's not here.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Give the program. Dave's not here.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
This is what so Sean was asked about Nick Benito's
kind of placked toed sack production.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I thought of you almost immediately. Here's what Sean had
to say earlier today.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Not worried about the sacks. Not worried about the sacks,
worried about cage and the quarterback rushing them properly, so
we're not focused on the sacked numbers. Those can actually
be numbers that help a quarterback climb up in the pocket.
A lot of it maybe has to do with who
we've been playing relative to the quarterback position. But I'm
not interested in the sack numbers.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I'm not worried about the sack numbers either. But you know,
I can imagine it as a past rusher. There's a
little bit of a you'd like them to be more prolific,
if you will.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Sacks are great, but what's even better than sex. It's
pressures because when you get a sack, you pull in
the quarterback to the ground. The pressure can collapse the
pocket for a quarterback, speed them up in their mind
and now they're pressing and they rush and now they're
forcing throws and tips and over throws. Got to get those.
So for me, yes, okay, don't worry about the sax.
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I want pressures in hurries. That's what I want because
we're speeding up the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
On the KWA Comma Spirit Health text line, Nick constantly
has the least cogent arguments. It's like he's arguing just
to argue, well, he has spent a lot of time
with Ben so well, first of all, let me put.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Things in perspective. Don't put me in a category with Ben.
I don't argue just to argue. I just throw out points.
But sometimes it's not my fault that you don't have
that full thinking where you can connect in that particular
way to understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Andy be going over your head.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Possibly I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my goodness. We're off a rolling throat of Monday.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
A lot to get to, including Sean Payton throwing the
designers of the AFC West Championship gear under the bus.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
We'll get to that next.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Your idea is, okay, once the Broncos get to the
playoffs from talking to players, that there's things are gonna
spontaneously erupt and combust and I'm like, okay, sign me
up for it. So the perfect metaphor is a caterpillar
moving very slowly, because that's kind of how things have
manifested itself up to this point, and then they're supposed
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to be this eruption of offense and I'm like, okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I appreciate our textures very smart. They are the butterfly efflect.
The butterfly effect does not mean a caterpillar goes into
a cocoon that comes out of beautiful butterfly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You guys are thinking too deep and you're not really
listening to what I'm actually saying. Caterfly, caterpillar, and metamorphosis.
It goes into a cocoon, it comes out and it's
more vibrant and beautiful than it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That was the nature of what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That's not the butterfly effect. Those are two different things.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I know what I said, and I gave the lead
up putting it in context. You know that starting from
the beginning.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
To then, But you do you know that the butterfly
effect and metamorphosis are two different things.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yes, but that's why I gave you the metamorphosis the change.
The butterfly effect is something entirely different. They even made
a movie about it, and Ashon Kusher was in that movie.
That's not where I was going.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is that where you're going with it?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Nope, that's not where I was going with it. That's
where you and some of the listeners tried to take it.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Right from the text line. Benjamin Albright does not argue
just to argue. He's well informed, a smart debater with
fabulous hair. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Just because Ben decided to text into the show, that
doesn't change anything that.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Has actually been's number. I'm glad he's listening. Uh, well,
this one I like. I like your points and arguments.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Nick looks like a family member texting in solid enjoy
the banter even with no Dave love the show.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Thanks, guys, I've got.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
To be a family member.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, I mean, I'm just gonna come to your defense here.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You're getting roasted. Man, this text line is crushing you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Ryan. Look at my face. Do it look like I care?
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I do not.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Somebody's asking where Ian Rappaport is. He's gonna joice at
four for that texture.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Just tune in. Where's Dave? Well, as we played at
the start of the show, and there you go, Dave's
not here.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You just you just may have to just continue to segments,
every segment at the time, you know, just remind.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Him we're gonna hear from a Sean Payton here in
a second, Ryan, Nick, what is Evan Ingram's role in
the offense? Now that we're a full season in Do
you think this is what he was pitched when he
signed with Denver?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Nope, I doubt it. I would imagine he's pretty frustrated ultimately.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, but that's a huge question though, Like why is
it that Evan Ingram isn't utilized more in the offense
than he currently is? Like watching the game between San
Francisco and Chicago last night, I mean, there were a
multitude of tight ends involved. Like I mean, when you
think about George Kitten didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Even play, Jake Tongjis caught the first touchdown.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yes, you find a way to get that guy involved.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
How can you not, Ryan give me a reason, a
logical one as to why Evan Ingram hasn't really been
involved or featured in certain games.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
No, I don't really have one for you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I legitimately thought watching this team last year, one of
the biggest missing ingredients to whatever success they ultimately wanted
to have was with the tight end, with adding more
talent to the tight end. And they did, they absolutely did.
They're down Lucas Croll. But that's a whole separate argument.
And Adam Traubman has made a couple of nice catches.
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Still not the same player. Evan Ingram represents a dynamic
weapon in the offense and he's barely utilized.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But maybe this is part of what you've been hearing
that maybe once the Broncos gets into the playoffs, maybe
that's when the game playing actually changes for Evan Ingram.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Maybe that's when you're right, last game of the year,
can't hold anything back. I'm now the success of the postseason.
I mean, you'd like to be able to run the
ball effectively. I think they're finding some stuff with RJ.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Harvey.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Maybe you get JK. Dobbins back at some.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Point, but it's going to be Bow and Courland, like
Bow and Courtland have to be the engine to this thing.
Oh yeah, I know, I already know what you're thinking.
That's thinking, Well, you're you're thinking, that's it's not.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A great recipe.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, I love the ingredients, but you got to
give me more. Give me some more, Give me some
Evan Ingram, give me some Troy Franklin. By all means, God,
please help us, give me some Marvin mems right, because
it's alms race, is it not?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
How many players can you distributed ball to? Can you
open up the offense. Can you turn into the track meet?
That's what it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Attract me and Evan Ingram needs to be I guess
maybe the third leg on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Track meet third leg and hanging the Ryn hanging there.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
There's a lot of jokes I want to make. Come on, Ryan,
we're still in the family hour.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Let's go to our Sean Payton talking about winning.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The AFC West.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That's right, AFC West Division chants Sean, do you guys
celebrates the equipment?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
God, you know what says, text me, what do you
want me to do? And it should just put him
in the lockers.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
We actually didn't even talk about it, and I don't
know that's something I should have or admitted.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, I haven't seen the hats of the shirts.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
My understanding is.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
They're pretty ugly and.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And we just didn't We just.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Didn't really talk about it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We did.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
The focus was on this week's game.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
And the Chargers and deceeding ramifications really trying to educate
him relative to what's going to be important year down
the stretch.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Anyway, every time he says relative to I think of
our guy Nae Jackson, because he does his impression of Sean,
and he does a really good one, but he drops
in a random relative too, And I never noticed Sean's
saying it as much as he does until Nate Jackson
did his impression of him.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Anyways, you have.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Had a chance you as a resident fashion guy.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And I mean that as a compliment. I mean that
I always point out your fashion, Sure you do, but continue,
I always point out your fashion.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well you point it out, but you're right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You always pointed out, but not with the directives that
you are alluding to.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But continue, you have taste, and I'll say that. So
you've got a chance to see these visions. I've seen
them that Sean has deemed ugly.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You know what I would have to agree with with,
coach the assessment of the hats. First of all, I
don't do that. That bill.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
That bill and what I'm talking about the brand of
the hat is kind of folded round. I don't like
that bill.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It's not But this goes back to what the league
does every single year at the beginning of the year.
They come out with a seasonal hat and they're all
some of the same colors. This championship hat looks a
lot like a Raiders hat with at the splash of
Broncos colors.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So to me, it would have been better if the
hat just would have been wide.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's up because there's been other hats, like when we
won the AFC West, when we went thirteen and three,
when I was remember with them of Broncos our hats.
Wasn't this grotesque right? It had a little flash to it.
But this one right here, Yeah, that we're too dead
fly smashed.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was awful. Yes, I agree with the coach.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I appreciate Sean Payin's honesty. Did you see him tweeting
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh my gosh, you're gonna have to show you some
of his tweets.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
He's tweeting as the games are taking place.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, well right after the right after the Texans beat
the Chargers. He responded to Zack seekers tweet, Oh sorry, Zach,
Zack Stevens.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know why I do that so often, busies wait.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
The same Zach Stevens, who coach referred to by name,
saying that he took what he said out of context.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, that one okay, so he said, congratulates.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So Zach Stevens had tweeted our congratulations to Sean Payton
for achieving his first goal of the season winning the
AFC West, and he tagged at Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wait wait, wait, wait, no he did not, Yes he did, and.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Then Sean just hit it with an L O L
underneath that.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Is Zach trying to gain a little more favor during
these postgame press conferences.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
This is what Seana. Zach does this. I I this man.
He does that and he gets it.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He gets into it with Chiefs fans because he tweets
out like, you know, Vodics might be undefeated against Patrick
Mahomes with the difference of that one blocked field goal,
and Chiefs fans eat it up every single time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I think it's great. Whatever. Man, Zach is the best
funny though with Sean.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And then there was another one where he did upside
down smiley face when there was a tweet about the
Falcons trying to build things the way the Rams did
and he just did it upside down smiley face, like
all right, good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Now. This is very uncommon, but he's having some fun
this weekend. Well, yeah, this is uncommon. I mean, I
don't follow a coach in that particular way. Maybe you do,
so this may be why I've missed some of these
kind of very interesting tweets. But with playing on Christmas,
you got some time off watching the games on Satnday
like everyone else.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yes, just get the phone out and go along Twitter
tweet and then I guess a little bit better than
what Jonathan Cooper tweeted out.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Did you see what Jonathan Cooper tweeted? I can't repeat
it on the air as it pertains to the chiefs.
Oh you didn't see that?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh no, I did not. There's an exploitive in any
kind of emojis or gifts.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Just straight up bleep the chiefs. Well, you know what
I'm like that for just randomly off the weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I mean, did you say Jiffs?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
What you did not say JEFFS?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't believe I did. Okay, thank goodness, I mean
I could.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Have Well, I can forgive the butterfly whatever that was
in the first segment.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
If you said JEFFS, we'd be it'd be a problem.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Even if he did. Who really cares a lot of
people care.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
As we found out earlier right before the show started,
that Justin Herbert is going to be out for Sunday's
game against the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He also offered this says, the.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Guys that have been have the most bruises and need
the most healing will pull them back.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
As he said, Justin Herbert is one of them. There'll
be some other guys. We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
We speculated, Hey, if you got some bruises, you've got
some mumps, you have been gutting it out up to
this point.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
This may be a game where we understand.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We're not gonna play everybody. To your point, this is
a little bit of a throwaway game for the Chargers
in a lot of ways. He said, winning and being healthy.
Those are two objectives guys that we think the doctors, trainers, myself,
the organization that have the most bruises, that need the
time the most.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We've decided that surrection we're going.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think that's the right man mindset to have. I presume,
pay the cost now and hope that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It pays dividends for you later, because like we said,
I mean, you can't advance past the Broncos even if
you won the game. That's right, So what the hell?
Just hey, restro guys and be prepared to face wherever
you have to face the next week.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
If the Chargers were playing to get in as hold,
completely different, but they're already in. Yes, the worst they
can be is seven. The best they could be is five,
but they need a lot of things to break their way.
And by the way, the way the NFL designed this,
which is what they always do, that's why everything's a flex.
They designed this in a way they'll probably know, well,
they'll they'll for sure know the Texans outcome from earlier
(32:39):
in the day, right, that's an early game.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Same thing with Jacksonville. The Bills play at the same
time as the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So I guess if you're the Chargers, there could be
a little bit of something there with the six and
seven seed, But by that point, the five seed is done.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
If the Texans win, the five seeds out, so you're
not playing the AFC North winner, right.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So then you're saying, well, we could either try to
win this game and be the sixth seed, which means
we got to play all our guys who were already
banged up, or we just accept that we're probably not
gonna win this game on the road against a very motivated,
extremely motivated Broncos team, it's gonna be playing this game
as if it's a playoff game because they need the
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one seed. And then you know, it's the difference of
the sixth and the seventh seed. And I am not
intentionally doing the six to seventh thing. That just happens
to work out that way. But point of it is
here you're the seventh seed, and now you view maybe
you view the Patriots as a team that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You can go after.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You know what's the interesting Ryan, I don't think in
any past years we've had so much conversation and dialogue
about the final outcomes before a week eighteen is over.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What team could be here, what team could be there?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And once again, this is one of those things that
kind of makes the NFL somewhat a standalone sport amongst
all of the sports because he's in a short lived
There's not eighty two games, right, there's not like a
seven game series. It's winning and go home. Think about
Pittsburgh and Baltimore, right. The division has always come down
(34:09):
to those teams. But this is why the NFL is
so exciting. And even though the league has had so
many controversies over the years.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Where some fans like I'm not watching football.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Guess what, they sucker you in and draw you right
back in to these type of dramatic situations.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I mean again, that's why they do the flex scheduling.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
So you have a Saturday games Panthers Buccaneers win or
go home Seahawks forty nine Ers for the one seed
in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
That's a massive game.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
How crazy is that the forty nine ers, with all
the injuries that they have, they can have the number
one seed in the first round by after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And the Super Bowls is Santa Clara. They could go
all the way to the Super Bowl and then be
at home.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, I mean the last team to do that was Rams.
They have the Super Bowl and they hosted.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Didn't didn't Tampa Bay do it with Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I think they did it. Yeah, that was like
too Yeah, it was, yeah, it was. It was the
last five years.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So yeah, the forty nine ers have a chance. It
may died from one seed. The path through the Super
Bowls in the NFC is through.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
The forty nine ers at home all the way to
the Super Bowl, which is also in Santa Clara. Broncos
Chargers obviously has some implications, but less so now. If
the Chargers are gonna start benching guys, then of course
the Sunday Night Football game, which I did, I would
have said on Monday or sorry, on Friday, heading into
the weekend, we would not be here. Steelers would take
care of business against the Browns. The Ravens are lose
(35:38):
to the Packers. I was wrong on both counts, and
now we have Steelers Ravens for the division. Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Is the NFL not like the biggest drama field show.
I mean, I know people are by soap operas, but
this is the biggest damn soap proper.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
There is incredible. Ian Rockenbord joins US next
What did you just do.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
The I don't know what it is with this thing? Yeah, uh,
it falls off. I think one time they didn't hit
your leg.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yes at one point. Yes, So it's like a like
a booby trap that it is. Yeah, there's no vectin
in here, so I don't know we have these booby traps?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Did I say that?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Wy?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah you did?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
You did and get no spoilers. Some people haven't haven't
caught up.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's the fault, not my problem. You know what I saw.
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Look you you get just gave me. I am not
that type of guy, Ryan, I'm not that type of guy.
You're still looking at me in that way like, sure, Nick,
you're not that type of guy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm not if I if I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Was going to do anything of that nature, I would
have done it by now, okay, just to let you
know like.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You would have you would have waited even longer to
talk about stranger things, or you would have done it
even sooner.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You're saying you had to open the show with hey,
happend to be here?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yess what?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes, I would have done that last week. I didn't
do that. You didn't do that, But I'm glad you
were all caught up.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I am finally caught us. Yeah, I finally caught up.
And the finale is coming up on it this week,
and obviously we're excited about that. We have a lot
to get to over the course of our show over
the next three hours. The big breaking news justin Herbert
is not going to play in this game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are a surprised? Isn't the word? There's a little bit
of a wonder about it?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The speculation on Twitter since Saturday has been, well, the
Chargers and actually more since yesterday when the Bills lost.
The Chargers are in control in a lot of ways
of who they want to play in the first round
in the wild card round if they win on Sunday,
(01:45):
and again we now know the games that Sunday through
twenty five in a power field of mile high. If
they went on Sunday, then they basically turn around and
play the Broncos. Now everything working out this way it's
supposed to, right, the Bills win, Jaguars win, the Texans win.
More importantly, the Bills and the Texans because those teams
that the Chargers are competing for in the wild card spots.
Assuming they win and they do have matchups that they
(02:07):
are heavy favorites in, then the Chargers will be the
seventh seed in that respect. And so the Chargers have
an ability here to choose who they want. Do they
want to play the Broncos in back to back weeks
at empower Field a mile high? Or would they consider
it losing resting guys, resting Justin Herbert who's banged up,
(02:29):
resting some of their defensive players.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
We'll see what what ultimately Jim Harbot decides to do.
I think the Brons got to play a straight up
either way. Broncos have to play this straight up no
matter what.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
The quarterbacks out, but you got to play as though
you want this game, you need this game, don't play
it like you're playing backups, and because we know what
that looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
But the point of it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Is, the Chargers had a very unique situation here that
so to your point, and I'm being very long waited, sorry,
to your point, was I surprised, No, not surprised. I
don't even know if it was expected. But I wondered
if the Chargers thought critically about the situation, if they
would take this path knowing well, maybe instead of playing
the Broncos back to back weeks, you go to Foxborough
(03:09):
and play the Patriots and you feel like you match
up a little better against them.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I can see how you know, coach Halbar can have
that mindset, and also being really strategical at this stage
of the game is important. If you can somewhat dictate
your own fate and player team that you feel that
you might match up better with, then by all means,
(03:33):
go ahead and do it now. On the surface, I
don't think the Chargers match up well with Drake May
and the Patriots. I really don't because in the game
against the Houston Texans, five sacks that the Texans were
able to pull down against Justin Herbert, and that offensive
line isn't that great.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Obviously they're beat up.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And if you can, as a coach, give your quarterback
a rest, because let's not forget I.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Mean, Herbert came back seven days.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
After hurt hand surgery, which I thought was boss as hell, because,
I mean, your quarterback, even though it's on your non
thrown hand, your offensive line isn't that great. You're gonna
start using that offhand to kind of protect yourself when
you fall on the ground. But he is kind of
you know, fought through it. Even in that game against
Hughton Texans, even when he was under duress, he found
(04:26):
ways to get lose and get on the perimeter, which
I think is one of the most dangerous attributes of
most of the quarterbacks that play in the NFL, and
it's something that the Broncos both Knicks can do himself.
I just I wish he did more of it. I
wish that the team leaned more into it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That was just my wish.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, sure, I mean I can see that, and maybe
the postseason will see a little bit more so.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You think all of a sudden in the post because
I've heard this theory before that in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Man, all those plays.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Coming out, you know, it reminds me, what was the
coach from from from water Boy?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
That's what I was gonna say. It wasn't a coach. Well,
there's there's a coach client. Yes, yeah, coach Client. But
I was thinking from water Boy and more of the announcer.
Oh gosh, former Chargers. Oh yeah, Dan found stand fouts. Yeah,
so Dan Foux being like last game of the season,
can't hold the thing back. That's my mindset of the
(05:24):
Broncos a approach of the postseason.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
We're just gonna wait and we're gonna keep this.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
These couple of plays, we're gonna shelf them, and then
once we get into dance.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh Mercy, we'll bout to drop the hammler. That's kind
of the idea.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Wouldn't it makes some sense?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, you make it make a sense to me because.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Right now I don't think you hold back feels like
a strong way to frame it. I'd say more of
understand that you haven't really reached and attained all that
you are possible or capable of. We've seen some moments
like the Green Bay game for example, where kind of
everything came together right, all three phases had really good performance.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
There's the reason why, Ryan, that came together.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Because you were forced based on that opponent, so you
had to elevate your level play. Remember like in the
Raiders game on Thursday night and also in the Thursday
night game against Can't See. The idea was that the
Broncos played down to those teams like, no, you're gonna
get team's best shot, and breen Bay playoff caliber team,
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Giving you their best shot.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
For me, that showed me that the Broncos were treating
me in the right direction where they were saying, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Know what, we are ready, We are ready.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But it is showing consistency of being able to carry
that water and improve that. So if you're telling me
that there is going to be this offensive explosion that
as soon as the Broncos hit the playoffs, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Here for it. I just want to see it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well we all do, we all do it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And again I don't have inside.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Information on that.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I just know listening to the players and talking to
them in the locker room, they understand they haven't realized
or become the thing that they vote that they want
to be right, and they know there's another level to
their performance and so gosh, what better way or what
better time to have that next level of your performance.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Than in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Is almost like the butterfly ef flect you're talking about,
Like when a calapillar goes into the cocoon.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Here we go. What no, No, this is what you're talking.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
About, right, the calapillar goes into cocoon. Once it goes
into the cocoon, a couple of days later, boom bam,
it's a full flash butterfly right, So that's what we're
looking at right now, the Broncos in that slow, methodical
calterpillar stage into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Beautiful butterfly, right, that's what you're telling me. They can't
see they can't see me with my with my arms out,
beautiful butterfly, that's what That's what we're calling it. Right.
If you're telling me that, I went you sign me
up for it?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Come on? Is it a beautiful butterfly effect?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Five?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Six sixth thing?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Zeros are ka commas paradell text line? Somebody asking, is
the furthest the Broncos can falls three seed? That is
so if they do follow the Chargers, and again, I
don't know how many of their players they are going
to play arrest or maybe they have a bit of
a tune up period, like we'll go a couple of
series with Keenan Allen and Quintin Johnston and o'maron Hampton
and maybe then they bench those guys.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Who knows. We really don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We'll find out later on the week from Jim Harbaugh
from the Beat out there. We'll we'll continue to speculate,
but we know for certain Justin Herbert will not be
out there. It'll be Trey Lance starting in this game.
So that does impact things. It impacts quite a few things.
It also impacts the way the defense plays against the
Chargers too. There's a there's a fingerprint to the scheme, right,
(08:38):
but what Trey Lance and what Justin Herbert are capable
of as quarterbacks is vastly different.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We both can move.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but why would you change the scheme if you
advanced just because Herbert's not playing?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Well, there's limitations of the passing game with Trey Lance
that are not present with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I always keep the thing, the main thing we're getting
after the quarterback. You chose to put Trey Lance in
the game, We're gonna choose to put him on the ground.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, no, that's true.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
No more about it is the way that they're gonna
approach the game.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So maybe I'm not explaining it right.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So Justin Herbert, obviously he Keith threatens you with every
blade of grass, right. I mean he can run the ball.
Obviously he's elite passing traits. Trey Lance does not have
the elite passing traits. But he can run the ball,
he can move, and if you allow him to escape,
through some of those lanes. Well, that's the reason why
they played them ultimately the way they played him.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
At least that's what Sean Payton said. Yeah, I know
you don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Wait wait wait, I mean get that to me again,
because put that in context.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I didn't hear the mush rush, you know, trying to
trying to contain more so than get a feeling.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And you look at your face. See, I'm just telling you.
I already know I know, I know you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
What do you mean you know me? I know you?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And how you don't agree with that sentiment.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
You don't agree with the idea that you can't sack
the quarterback and contain him in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I believe that containing mobile quarterbacks is really key. But
I also believe what my eyes showed me too as well.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
The text line very quickly here.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
They won't play the Broncos back to back because the
Broncos aren't first round by No, they would play the
Broncos back to back if they beat the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
That's the maybe I didn't.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Explain that right, They would if they beat the Broncos
on Sunday with Trey Lance at this point, h then
assuming the Bills and the Texans take care of business,
which a lot of people are expecting them to. But
the Chargers would be the sixth seed. If they beat
the Broncos, they could move all the way up to
the five seed if the Texans lose, but again, the
(10:40):
Texans are probably not going to lose, So if they
move up to the sixth seed, then the Broncos would
fall way back to the three seed.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
If the Broncos lose this game, and.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
This again assuming the Patriots win too, I mean, there's
like assumption of this assumption of this. I'm just saying
that the Patriots win, the Broncos lose, the Patriots will
be the one seed and Backsonville is also expected to win,
So then they're gonna be w that's right, and they
would they would fall away to the three seed, which
means that the Chargers would now be cemented at the
sixth seed because they probably can't climb to the five
(11:11):
since they lost the head to head of the Texans.
They would be submitted to the six seeds. So three
versus six, that's what we were saying. Now, if the
Broncos get to buy and this is the forty chess
conversation part of it because if the Chargers opt to say, well,
we don't want to play the Broncos back.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
To back at Mile High, Okay, fine, you're playing this week.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Maybe get a chance to rest some guys, get a
little healthier for the postseason run. They're pretty banged up
they are. You're gonna play the Patriots and you're the
seventh seed. Now, if you can find a way to
win that, then you do play the Broncos again in
the divisional round. That would be the path for the Chargers,
and then they would end up playing probably one of
the AFC South teams.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I imagine one of those two teams are gonna be miss.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I think this is a great idea by coach Harvard,
especially with the team being beat up as much as
they are.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You already know.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You then so so so that part of the story.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You've already checked that box.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Now, the idea is that, Okay, you're trying to figure
out who you're going to play, but you want to
make sure that you're at your healthiest to give yourself
a shot. So the idea is, if it's a toss up,
if the Charges are able to beat the Broncos on
Sunday with Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's just icing on the cake, right.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But the idea is that we don't need that we
already know that we're in the dance. We want to
make sure that we have a long run in the dance.
So the only way we could do that make sure
our quarterback is healthy. And they're probably gonna maybe rest
some other guys because they're gonna look at this game
as it's a throwaway game for them.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's how it feels.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
It's a throwaway game.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And so you asked me the very beginning, like was
I surprised by this? It's like, well, if you logically
break it all down like we just did, then no,
of course you're not surprised that they're benchings server.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
You should bench everybody you can't bit. But you know
what I'm saying, like you.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Should of consequence or guys that are more currently banged up,
you know, dealing with some things.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You know, you have some light you know, no injury.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Like a preseason game exactly, meaningless you know, for the Chargers, yeah,
it'd be like some nice to be able to play spoiler,
But you understand what you're working against here, and you
understand we're going to be playing on the other side
of this game no matter what.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
We're not playing for anything other than to get ready
for the postseason at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It also gives an opportunity to see how the Broncos
are going to run certain things, right are they going
to pull the coach plane and run a couple of
plays as they tried to prepare for the postseason. And
you get the chance to get a picture of that
which which is so important. And I did notice at
the back of for just a second, I noticed that
(13:41):
you did not answer what I said about the butterfly effect.
I noticed you didn't. You try to get no credit
to it. Yeah, you try. You just try to validate
it your analogy.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's too early for me in the show for.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Analogies, not about the analogies themselves. But can you can
you pull back the curt and move past analogies and
see the actual description for what it's stating. That's the
thing I think you do. But you don't want to
give it any credit.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I know, I know you don't.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, you didn't really answer my question either.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So so it's a different tat now, that's right. I
didn't answer yours, so what question did you ask me
that I didn't answer.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I was asking you about the way that you rushed
Trey Lance versus the way you rush justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
There is no difference.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I answer your question. That is an answer.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's not right. That's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's not what we're doing. That that's not see that
happens in marriages and relationships.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You asked me a question.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I answered it, but it wasn't the answer you wanted,
so you said it was invalid.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
In what universe are we playing justin Herbert and Trey
Lance the same way?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, the idea is that you play your defense.
You do what you do right. You get out there
and say, okay, well if you.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Ran simulate the pressure against other individuals, you run the
same thing. You did the same thing against you know, uh,
Jordan Love, as you did with Trey Lance. You're not
gonna do it any different. I mean, you did it
with Jordan Love, and you did it with Jordana Trevor Lawrence,
so you're not gonna do any difference with Trey Lance.
You go out there and you do your different run
your defense because your guys have to run and focus
(15:19):
on their their drop points, what they're doing against man quarters,
whatever you're running, they have to focus on that to
make sure that they're clicking on all cylinders.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Because you don't want to say.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Okay, well we're just going to make a defense just
to play this guy and we're not going to see
him after this note. Do what you do.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Don't change it up for him, because guess what are
you in fear of Trey Lance? No, so we're gonna
we're gonna go do what we do.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's not fear, no what you call it, design that
at all.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's just understanding that there's different skill sets for different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Your teachery, thank you.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Even even if the finger put of the offense is
the same. So like, for example, we have a very
recent example of that, Chris Oladokin versus Patrick Mahomes. Now
you're telling me you play chrys Oladokin the same exact
way you play Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm gonna run the same defense.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So why would you not run your same defense that
you've been running all season long.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
You're playing against a guy who is a third team quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know he's mobile, Like I told jo Joe, he's mobile,
he has he can throw the deep ball, but rush
to contain and let me step up in the pocket
and let Zach Allen and all those guys go to work.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You don't change just for a guy who's playing what
on Christmas and this is the only time were going
to see him. We're not changing for that.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
We do not do what we do.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's not changing, it's understanding.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Like, I feel like this is an obvious thing, So
I don't want to spend the rest of the show
arguing about it, but just put it in context for me,
Like if you're playing Joe Flacco, I'm trying to think
of the least mobile quarterback, and that's the first one
that pops into my head.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Mobility of a couch.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You're playing Joe Flacko versus playing need mobile quarterback. You
want to put out there, Lamar Jackson, you have a
different mindset, you have a different philosophical Jackson. Okay, well
that's extreme version. But let's just take any mobile quarterback.
Least take Trey Lance for crying out loud or even
justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Okay, when you.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Have a quarterback that is going to be statuesque, Philip
rivers another one you're gonna rush them different. You have
a different rush plan than you do for those other quarterbacks. Feel,
oh my god, get a feel in their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You played an era of football that just doesn't gone.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Your job is to rush the passer, so so get up,
feel make his life miserable.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right, and as long as you put an edge on
the defense and force him to step up into a gaps,
we good.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Is he too high?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Somebody asked. Somebody asked that you're going to go high?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I know it's the holiday season, but what is nick
consuming evathly dosed?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Was the egg?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Or how heavily toast?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Was the egg?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Dog? I don't drink eggnog. No I will do that either.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Somebody asking where Dave Logan today? We already played the drop.
Day's not here? Yes, yeah, Dave's not here.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Give the program. Dave's not here.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
This is what so Sean was asked about Nick Benito's
kind of placked toed sack production.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I thought of you almost immediately. Here's what Sean had
to say earlier today.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Not worried about the sacks. Not worried about the sacks,
worried about cage and the quarterback rushing them properly, so
we're not focused on the sacked numbers. Those can actually
be numbers that help a quarterback climb up in the pocket.
A lot of it maybe has to do with who
we've been playing relative to the quarterback position. But I'm
not interested in the sack numbers.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I'm not worried about the sack numbers either. But you know,
I can imagine it as a past rusher. There's a
little bit of a you'd like them to be more prolific,
if you will.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Sacks are great, but what's even better than sex. It's
pressures because when you get a sack, you pull in
the quarterback to the ground. The pressure can collapse the
pocket for a quarterback, speed them up in their mind
and now they're pressing and they rush and now they're
forcing throws and tips and over throws. Got to get those.
So for me, yes, okay, don't worry about the sax.
(19:34):
I want pressures in hurries. That's what I want because
we're speeding up the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
On the KWA Comma Spirit Health text line, Nick constantly
has the least cogent arguments. It's like he's arguing just
to argue, well, he has spent a lot of time
with Ben so well, first of all, let me put.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Things in perspective. Don't put me in a category with Ben.
I don't argue just to argue. I just throw out points.
But sometimes it's not my fault that you don't have
that full thinking where you can connect in that particular
way to understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Andy be going over your head.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Possibly I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Oh my goodness. We're off a rolling throat of Monday.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
A lot to get to, including Sean Payton throwing the
designers of the AFC West Championship gear under the bus.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
We'll get to that next.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Your idea is, okay, once the Broncos get to the
playoffs from talking to players, that there's things are gonna
spontaneously erupt and combust and I'm like, okay, sign me
up for it. So the perfect metaphor is a caterpillar
moving very slowly, because that's kind of how things have
manifested itself up to this point, and then they're supposed
(20:46):
to be this eruption of offense and I'm like, okay,
let's do it.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I appreciate our textures very smart. They are the butterfly efflect.
The butterfly effect does not mean a caterpillar goes into
a cocoon that comes out of beautiful butterfly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
You guys are thinking too deep and you're not really
listening to what I'm actually saying. Caterfly, caterpillar, and metamorphosis.
It goes into a cocoon, it comes out and it's
more vibrant and beautiful than it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
That was the nature of what I was saying.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That's not the butterfly effect. Those are two different things.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I know what I said, and I gave the lead
up putting it in context. You know that starting from
the beginning.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
To then, But you do you know that the butterfly
effect and metamorphosis are two different things.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yes, but that's why I gave you the metamorphosis the change.
The butterfly effect is something entirely different. They even made
a movie about it, and Ashon Kusher was in that movie.
That's not where I was going.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is that where you're going with it?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Nope, that's not where I was going with it. That's
where you and some of the listeners tried to take it.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Right from the text line. Benjamin Albright does not argue
just to argue. He's well informed, a smart debater with
fabulous hair. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Just because Ben decided to text into the show, that
doesn't change anything that.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Has actually been's number. I'm glad he's listening. Uh, well,
this one I like. I like your points and arguments.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Nick looks like a family member texting in solid enjoy
the banter even with no Dave love the show.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Thanks, guys, I've got.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
To be a family member.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, I mean, I'm just gonna come to your defense here.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You're getting roasted. Man, this text line is crushing you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Ryan. Look at my face. Do it look like I care?
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I do not.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Somebody's asking where Ian Rappaport is. He's gonna joice at
four for that texture.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Just tune in. Where's Dave? Well, as we played at
the start of the show, and there you go, Dave's
not here.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
You just you just may have to just continue to segments,
every segment at the time, you know, just remind.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Him we're gonna hear from a Sean Payton here in
a second, Ryan, Nick, what is Evan Ingram's role in
the offense? Now that we're a full season in Do
you think this is what he was pitched when he
signed with Denver?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Nope, I doubt it. I would imagine he's pretty frustrated ultimately.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, but that's a huge question though, Like why is
it that Evan Ingram isn't utilized more in the offense
than he currently is? Like watching the game between San
Francisco and Chicago last night, I mean, there were a
multitude of tight ends involved. Like I mean, when you
think about George Kitten didn't.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Even play, Jake Tongjis caught the first touchdown.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yes, you find a way to get that guy involved.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
How can you not, Ryan give me a reason, a
logical one as to why Evan Ingram hasn't really been
involved or featured in certain games.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
No, I don't really have one for you.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I legitimately thought watching this team last year, one of
the biggest missing ingredients to whatever success they ultimately wanted
to have was with the tight end, with adding more
talent to the tight end. And they did, they absolutely did.
They're down Lucas Croll. But that's a whole separate argument.
And Adam Traubman has made a couple of nice catches.
(24:18):
Still not the same player. Evan Ingram represents a dynamic
weapon in the offense and he's barely utilized.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
But maybe this is part of what you've been hearing
that maybe once the Broncos gets into the playoffs, maybe
that's when the game playing actually changes for Evan Ingram.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Maybe that's when you're right, last game of the year,
can't hold anything back. I'm now the success of the postseason.
I mean, you'd like to be able to run the
ball effectively. I think they're finding some stuff with RJ.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Harvey.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Maybe you get JK. Dobbins back at some.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Point, but it's going to be Bow and Courland, like
Bow and Courtland have to be the engine to this thing.
Oh yeah, I know, I already know what you're thinking.
That's thinking, Well, you're you're thinking, that's it's not.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
A great recipe.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, I love the ingredients, but you got to
give me more. Give me some more, Give me some
Evan Ingram, give me some Troy Franklin. By all means, God,
please help us, give me some Marvin mems right, because
it's alms race, is it not?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
How many players can you distributed ball to? Can you
open up the offense. Can you turn into the track meet?
That's what it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Attract me and Evan Ingram needs to be I guess
maybe the third leg on that one.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Track meet third leg and hanging the Ryn hanging there.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
There's a lot of jokes I want to make. Come on, Ryan,
we're still in the family hour.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Let's go to our Sean Payton talking about winning.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The AFC West.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That's right, AFC West Division chants Sean, do you guys
celebrates the equipment?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
God, you know what says, text me, what do you
want me to do? And it should just put him
in the lockers.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
We actually didn't even talk about it, and I don't
know that's something I should have or admitted.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Yeah, I haven't seen the hats of the shirts.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
My understanding is.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
They're pretty ugly and.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And we just didn't We just.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Didn't really talk about it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We did.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
The focus was on this week's game.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
And the Chargers and deceeding ramifications really trying to educate
him relative to what's going to be important year down
the stretch.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Anyway, every time he says relative to I think of
our guy Nae Jackson, because he does his impression of Sean,
and he does a really good one, but he drops
in a random relative too, And I never noticed Sean's
saying it as much as he does until Nate Jackson
did his impression of him.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Anyways, you have.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Had a chance you as a resident fashion guy.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And I mean that as a compliment. I mean that
I always point out your fashion, Sure you do, but continue,
I always point out your fashion.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well you point it out, but you're right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You always pointed out, but not with the directives that
you are alluding to.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But continue, you have taste, and I'll say that. So
you've got a chance to see these visions. I've seen
them that Sean has deemed ugly.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You know what I would have to agree with with,
coach the assessment of the hats. First of all, I
don't do that. That bill.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
That bill and what I'm talking about the brand of
the hat is kind of folded round. I don't like
that bill.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It's not But this goes back to what the league
does every single year at the beginning of the year.
They come out with a seasonal hat and they're all
some of the same colors. This championship hat looks a
lot like a Raiders hat with at the splash of
Broncos colors.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So to me, it would have been better if the
hat just would have been wide.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's up because there's been other hats, like when we
won the AFC West, when we went thirteen and three,
when I was remember with them of Broncos our hats.
Wasn't this grotesque right? It had a little flash to it.
But this one right here, Yeah, that we're too dead
fly smashed.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was awful. Yes, I agree with the coach.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I appreciate Sean Payin's honesty. Did you see him tweeting
over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh my gosh, you're gonna have to show you some
of his tweets.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
He's tweeting as the games are taking place.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, well right after the right after the Texans beat
the Chargers. He responded to Zack seekers tweet, Oh sorry, Zach,
Zack Stevens.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know why I do that so often, busies wait.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
The same Zach Stevens, who coach referred to by name,
saying that he took what he said out of context.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, yeah, that one okay, so he said, congratulates.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So Zach Stevens had tweeted our congratulations to Sean Payton
for achieving his first goal of the season winning the
AFC West, and he tagged at Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wait wait, wait, wait, no he did not, Yes he did, and.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Then Sean just hit it with an L O L
underneath that.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Is Zach trying to gain a little more favor during
these postgame press conferences.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
This is what Seana. Zach does this. I I this man.
He does that and he gets it.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
He gets into it with Chiefs fans because he tweets
out like, you know, Vodics might be undefeated against Patrick
Mahomes with the difference of that one blocked field goal,
and Chiefs fans eat it up every single time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I think it's great. Whatever. Man, Zach is the best
funny though with Sean.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
And then there was another one where he did upside
down smiley face when there was a tweet about the
Falcons trying to build things the way the Rams did
and he just did it upside down smiley face, like
all right, good luck with that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Now. This is very uncommon, but he's having some fun
this weekend. Well, yeah, this is uncommon. I mean, I
don't follow a coach in that particular way. Maybe you do,
so this may be why I've missed some of these
kind of very interesting tweets. But with playing on Christmas,
you got some time off watching the games on Satnday
like everyone else.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yes, just get the phone out and go along Twitter
tweet and then I guess a little bit better than
what Jonathan Cooper tweeted out.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Did you see what Jonathan Cooper tweeted? I can't repeat
it on the air as it pertains to the chiefs.
Oh you didn't see that?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh no, I did not. There's an exploitive in any
kind of emojis or gifts.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Just straight up bleep the chiefs. Well, you know what
I'm like that for just randomly off the weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I mean, did you say Jiffs?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
What you did not say JEFFS?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't believe I did. Okay, thank goodness, I mean
I could.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Have Well, I can forgive the butterfly whatever that was
in the first segment.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
If you said JEFFS, we'd be it'd be a problem.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Even if he did. Who really cares a lot of
people care.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
As we found out earlier right before the show started,
that Justin Herbert is going to be out for Sunday's
game against the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He also offered this says, the.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Guys that have been have the most bruises and need
the most healing will pull them back.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
As he said, Justin Herbert is one of them. There'll
be some other guys. We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
We speculated, Hey, if you got some bruises, you've got
some mumps, you have been gutting it out up to
this point.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
This may be a game where we understand.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
We're not gonna play everybody. To your point, this is
a little bit of a throwaway game for the Chargers
in a lot of ways. He said, winning and being healthy.
Those are two objectives guys that we think the doctors, trainers, myself,
the organization that have the most bruises, that need the
time the most.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We've decided that surrection we're going.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think that's the right man mindset to have. I presume,
pay the cost now and hope that.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It pays dividends for you later, because like we said,
I mean, you can't advance past the Broncos even if
you won the game. That's right, So what the hell?
Just hey, restro guys and be prepared to face wherever
you have to face the next week.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
If the Chargers were playing to get in as hold,
completely different, but they're already in. Yes, the worst they
can be is seven. The best they could be is five,
but they need a lot of things to break their way.
And by the way, the way the NFL designed this,
which is what they always do, that's why everything's a flex.
They designed this in a way they'll probably know, well,
they'll they'll for sure know the Texans outcome from earlier
(32:39):
in the day, right, that's an early game.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Same thing with Jacksonville. The Bills play at the same
time as the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
So I guess if you're the Chargers, there could be
a little bit of something there with the six and
seven seed, But by that point, the five seed is done.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
If the Texans win, the five seeds out, so you're
not playing the AFC North winner, right.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So then you're saying, well, we could either try to
win this game and be the sixth seed, which means
we got to play all our guys who were already
banged up, or we just accept that we're probably not
gonna win this game on the road against a very motivated,
extremely motivated Broncos team, it's gonna be playing this game
as if it's a playoff game because they need the
(33:18):
one seed. And then you know, it's the difference of
the sixth and the seventh seed. And I am not
intentionally doing the six to seventh thing. That just happens
to work out that way. But point of it is
here you're the seventh seed, and now you view maybe
you view the Patriots as a team that.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You can go after.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
You know what's the interesting Ryan, I don't think in
any past years we've had so much conversation and dialogue
about the final outcomes before a week eighteen is over.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What team could be here, what team could be there?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And once again, this is one of those things that
kind of makes the NFL somewhat a standalone sport amongst
all of the sports because he's in a short lived
There's not eighty two games, right, there's not like a
seven game series. It's winning and go home. Think about
Pittsburgh and Baltimore, right. The division has always come down
(34:09):
to those teams. But this is why the NFL is
so exciting. And even though the league has had so
many controversies over the years.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Where some fans like I'm not watching football.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Guess what, they sucker you in and draw you right
back in to these type of dramatic situations.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I mean again, that's why they do the flex scheduling.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
So you have a Saturday games Panthers Buccaneers win or
go home Seahawks forty nine Ers for the one seed
in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
That's a massive game.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
How crazy is that the forty nine ers, with all
the injuries that they have, they can have the number
one seed in the first round by after this weekend.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And the Super Bowls is Santa Clara. They could go
all the way to the Super Bowl and then be
at home.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, I mean the last team to do that was Rams.
They have the Super Bowl and they hosted.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Didn't didn't Tampa Bay do it with Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, I think they did it. Yeah, that was like
too Yeah, it was, yeah, it was. It was the
last five years.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So yeah, the forty nine ers have a chance. It
may died from one seed. The path through the Super
Bowls in the NFC is through.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
The forty nine ers at home all the way to
the Super Bowl, which is also in Santa Clara. Broncos
Chargers obviously has some implications, but less so now. If
the Chargers are gonna start benching guys, then of course
the Sunday Night Football game, which I did, I would
have said on Monday or sorry, on Friday, heading into
the weekend, we would not be here. Steelers would take
care of business against the Browns. The Ravens are lose
(35:38):
to the Packers. I was wrong on both counts, and
now we have Steelers Ravens for the division. Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Is the NFL not like the biggest drama field show.
I mean, I know people are by soap operas, but
this is the biggest damn soap proper.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
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