2025-10-06 KSR PRE-SHOW

Shannon The Dude and Billy Rutledge talk UK's loss to Georgia, coaching staff rumors around the football team, and your calls.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome everyone. It is the KSR pre Show from Monday,
October sixth I am Shannon to the dude, you're in
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(00:22):
The KSR pre Show is being brought to you by
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R Sports is today. But he's not in the Lexton studio.
He's not at KS Bar and Grill. He's actually at
Kentucky Basketball Media Day where KSR is going to be
broadcasting from later on today, but the pre show is
getting a head start there. Good morning, Billy, how are you.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good morning Shannon. I hope you had a good weekend. Yes,
out and about on a Monday here at the gymnasium
floor at Memorial Coliseum, and I will say this is
my first time being in here since the renovations. Dude,
it is beautiful here and also the cool touch of
the boards from the old bleacher up here above the
garage doors. It is a really cool spot here. My

(01:03):
first time here, and glad to be with you, dude.
How was your weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
It was good? I felt like that you're talking a
little quieter, like, are you just you don't want to
project too much? Are you? Are you afraid you're gonna
be too loud and wake up Mark Pope? Well, Mark
Pope probably gets up at four o'clock in the morning.
You're not gonna wake anybody up around there. You could,
you could talk normal?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, that's true. I've sometimes been told I sound like
a sing songy old radio DJ sometimes when I start
these shows. So we're just we're talking at a normal level.
I'm also still dragging a little bit from our one
Am NFL podcast record that we did. But yeah, I
always enjoy that. Mario is is next to me walking
around right now. Good to have Mario here with me

(01:43):
as well. So where are you, dude? I guess you
just you had to stay back and run all the shows.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, I'm in the Louisville studio. So what is the
plan out there? Gmbilly? Let me ask you for KSR
today are we gonna be able to talk to Mark
Pope later on KSR or what's what's the plan?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, Unfortunately, none of the men's basketball players or coaches
are available to interview before noon, so I don't think
we're gonna have anybody on the show actually, Shannon. But
you know KSR is at its best when they are
out and about and amongst the people, and this will
allow Matt and Drew and everybody to just go right
to media day after the show, So I think it'll

(02:22):
work out for a lot of us. I'm here to
just make sure everything keeps running. I've threaded the Ethernet
cable through the bleachers, Shannon, so we're connected and hopefully
we stay connected.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, you mentioned media day for Kentucky basketball. No media
really for Mark Stoops today, because Kentucky's got a bye
week coming up next week again, and he won't be
doing his coaches show. I understand he won't be speaking
to the media, so we won't be hearing anything from
Mark Stoops other than what we heard from over the weekend.
And look, there are rumors swirling going around everywhere. I mean,

(02:52):
I've been reading rumors pretty much all day yesterday and look,
I think they're probably just that. But you know, you've
probably heard some of the rumors. We'll get into that
in just a minute, but first let's talk about Kentucky
and Georgia. They at least thirty five to fourteen. Another
game where I just felt like Kentucky never really was
that competitive. Never was there a point where I thought

(03:14):
that Kentucky was a real threat to win the game.
And they just could not defensively get off the field
on third down. Those plays that just kept extending the drives,
And after a while, that becomes demoralize into your defense. Well,
you don't have the confidence of your with you know,
in your offense. So you pair that defensively, not being
able to get off the field on third down, you

(03:35):
pair that with your offense. You know that if you don't,
they're not going to score more than fourteen points. If
your defense gives up more than fourteen points, you feel
like you're probably gonna lose the game. I felt like
that was a big issue as well, defensively, not being
able to get off the field. And then I'll tell
you though, I was a little surprised to see Cutter
Bowley play as well as he did. I mean, he
didn't play great, but he played pretty well. He threw

(03:57):
the ball forty one times. He he held his own
in passing yards through for two hundred and twenty five,
did throw one interception, but also had a couple of touchdowns.
I mean, if we're trying to find a bright spot,
I think Cutter Bowley Billy is showing at least a
little bit of improvement. I think that was his best
game we've seen so far.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, definitely his best performance as a cat, no doubt.
What two passing touchdowns two hundred and twenty five yards
in eleven SEC games. That's the first time a bush
Hamden offense has thrown two passing touchdowns. So that's great, Shannon.
We know we're making progress at least there. But look,
I mean, that guy is clearly the future of Kentucky football.
So to see him progress like that is the optimism

(04:37):
I'm finding from this weekend channing, because there was plenty
of negativity. The postgame show had plenty of that as well.
Cutter Bully got frustrated at one point in the middle
of the game, and I felt like he felt like
a lot of the fan.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Base did he and talking about when he was trying
to get to the line of scrimmage real quick and
snapped the ball before they could review the play.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, before they could review the play. They ended up
having to stop it. He got visibly frustrated.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
As he should. I meant, the rest of the offense
felt like they were just lollygagging up to the offensive line,
and you see Cutter Bowley clearly. I mean, I would
think he would communicate that with those guys, Hey, we
need to get up here and quickly get the snap
off so we can keep the ball. Turns out the
call was overturned, Georgia ends up with the ball. But yeah,
you're right, Cutter Bowley was the only one showing any
kind of urgency, it felt like in that moment, Billy,

(05:19):
and it.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Was just uncharacteristic of Kentucky football to see, you know,
the defense struggle the way that they did the first
two drives of the game. Twelve plays seventy five yards,
thirteen plays ninety six yards. That's just not been Mark
Stoops football over the years, and so that's got to
get cleaned up. As much as we've talked about the
offense and the struggles and all these rumors about who's

(05:39):
going to be calling plays. You've got to have an identity,
and your identity these past twelve or thirteen years is
based upon being a disciplined football team that doesn't commit
penalties and plays good defense. Channon, and we have just
not seen a lot of that in the last few
years with Stoops. I just I don't know if he's
acting like himself anymore. And you know, I try to
relate to the because I'm sure he can be defensive

(06:01):
when everybody is calling for his job. But at the
same time, Shannon, people have been saying quotes online, what
is it the you either live long enough to be
a hero or see yourself become the villain? And I
think there's a little bit of that. And Mark Stoops
just because he's been at Kentucky so long.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I mean, let's just address the rumors. There's so
many things floating around out there that I've been reading,
and I don't know, like if any of them are
true at all, because you read these reports from a
lot of them anonymous people on social media, and I
don't trust them, But I mean, I think it's worth
at least acknowledging some of the things that are being
talked about. We also have radio hosts that are getting

(06:40):
on the air and saying that Mark Stoops was approached
Barnhart and asked for his buyout. There's talk that Barnhart
and Stoops will be meeting this week to discuss what's next.
There's talk that Bush Hampden won't be here by the
end of the week. I mean, Billy, I don't know
what to believe. I don't know that, like I said,
that there's any truth to any of this. But if

(07:00):
you believe Mark Stoops in his postgame press conference, he
said there's zero chance I'm walking away, and he said
he wanted to stop talking about it. He's tired of
being asked about it. Zero chance that he's walking away.
First of all, Billy, do you believe that there's any
truth to any of these rumors? And secondly, do you
believe Mark Stoops when he says there's zero chance he's

(07:22):
walking away?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, the timing is interesting in all this, right because
kashrr had done some reporting last year where there were
some conversations about possible buyouts and then it wasn't met.
So just a radio host saying it on a Friday
before a game versus Georgia just kind of exploded at
that point. Other rumors. You know, anybody can have a
platform online and just throw something out there, Shannon. And

(07:45):
when you don't talk, other people fill the void, right,
And that was probably one of the issues with the
off season was they didn't want to make a headline.
They didn't get people invested into the team, maybe as
much as they should have, until it was right before
the season started. And so you're gonna ge a lot
of opinions naturally. I think it was the right move
for John Hale or whoever it was, to ask that

(08:05):
question to Stoops. But also, what do you expect Mark
Stoops to say, Like, is he going to say, yeah,
I want to get the hell out of here, Shannon.
I mean, that's just.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I think that if there was any truth to it,
I think he would just say I'm not going to
address that right now, next question. Because you see coaches
do that a lot, they sort of deflect. Mark Stoops
didn't deflect. I mean he was very I felt like,
straightforward and saying there's zero percent chance I'm walking away.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well, you know, we find ourselves in an interesting predicament
because there's an article in the New York Times slash
of the Athletic talking about Mark Stoops's buyout, the buyout
having to be paid within sixty days of his termination
of his contract. That puts Kentucky in an odd spot,
Shann because you know, where are you going to get
that money? When do you make a move in college
football when it's so important to have a coach in

(08:52):
place before you hit the transfer portal? Right, I mean
these are all just questions that we should not be
having after what week five or week six the college
football season. I mean, we should be going into this
by week filled with optimism that they can reset and
go on a run for the last half of the
season and even but now it's like, are they gonna
win an SEC game this year? And maybe one of

(09:13):
your best bets is Texas? Who arch Manning looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean they just lost to Florida.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
They look bad.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
My bad on the parlay pick, but the parlay was
already screwed by the time it got to that game.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Anyway, that it was a rough week for the parlay.
That's okay, We're already in the money, right, We've already
hit two, so we're good there. Postgame tone has shifted
from you know, anger or really just like realization of
what is ahead to something has to be done. I
think nine out of ten people, if not ten out
of ten, people were calling for Bush to not to

(09:44):
be the play caller anymore, for Stoops to move on
that the program hasn't been the same since the pony upcomments,
and I, you know, I agree. I think Stoops is
somebody that would always be revealing to the media and
hasn't been in recent years. But I told Matt before
the show, the postgame show started changing, it feels like
we're in Groundhog Day, like the stuff with Cal and

(10:05):
how that situation unfolded. It just feels eagerly similar. And
I feel bad for this fan base. I feel bad
for the fans that are paying more money for season
tickets for less home games. They're having to pay more
money to go to these tailgate spots that have been
reduced over the years. You know, I feel bad for
the fan base because you know, apathy is more than

(10:26):
setting in at this point, dude.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, And you know, like in Caliperi's situation, when you
lose and end your season with a loss to Saint
Peter's and then you lose to Oakland and in your
season that way, it kind of felt definitive when you lose,
like I have a really bad loss to end the season.
But in football it's a little bit different. Like, Okay,

(10:48):
fans have been calling for Mark Stoop's job for a
while now, but it seems like it got louder after
you know, to your point there on the postgame show,
maybe it has gotten a little bit louder after the Georgia game.
But what did you think was gonna happen in the
Georgia game? Did you think that Kentucky was gonna come
out and actually play with Georgia? I didn't. So if
you had that expectation that Kentucky was going to get

(11:11):
blown out, why are you now even louder about Mark
Stoop's job. I mean, basically, what happened Saturday is exactly
what I thought was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
There's truth in that. But you also want to hope
that this team can compete. They can, you know, That's
why you play every Saturday or any given Sunday. There's
always a chance. I mean Kentucky, which possibly should have
won that game versus Georgia last year, I know that
was at home. They had to call back a pick
six for that to not happen. But they were in
that game. It's not like it's Georgia of old. I

(11:40):
think they were very beata ble at time. I mean,
they just lost to Alabama, right so.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think Obama's a very good team. I mean, let's
not look, let's not try to compare Kentucky football to
Bama football and Georgia football.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
No, no, I'm just saying that they are in the
same conference. And sure, you know Bobby Petrino's Arkansas team
is ahead of Kentucky when it comes to most SEC
powering things. Right now, that's unacceptable, not it's unacceptable, And
you're thirteen of a coach to have the same issues
every single year. The middle eight, And I mean, how
many years have we talked about middle eight? Terrible end

(12:13):
of the first half, they fumble their first drive in
the third quarter, they get zero points out of those
those couple drives right there before and after halftime. That
you know, you think, you hope that these things would
get cleaned up. We just have not seen it. And
so now you you start this back half of this
college football season and you have to wonder where the
program's going.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well, yeah, and I wonder And we'll get into this
a little bit later on though. You know, with March,
with Big Blue Madness coming up, do you think that
this is where Kentucky fans completely just turn the page
on football and just look ahead to basketball. I mean
that that's this Saturday during a bye week. I wonder
if fans are just going to be completely all in
on basketball starting next weekend and we'll talk about it

(12:54):
eight five, nine two eight twenty two eighty seven. I
also don't know, Billy, what is a catch in college football?
I don't understand it. We had that one play. Was
it Ferrier who caught that Rodriguez? Yeah, it may have been,
But anyway, regardless of who it was, there was a catch.
The player Rodriguez goes down, he goes down out of bounds,

(13:16):
but he's got the ball in his hands two feet
down and they call that an incomplete pass. And if
you watch the game, you know what I'm talking about.
But I don't understand how that is not a catch. Like,
what do you have to do in college football for
something to be considered a catch? Do you have to
hold the ball for two or three seconds and then
flip the ball back to the referee for it to

(13:37):
be a complete catch. I don't understand it anymore. I
really don't understand the completion rules in college football when
it comes to catching a ball and being called a
complete pass.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, I'll be honest, Shannon, I think the referees have
a hard time deciding what a catch is and isn't
a lot of times. I mean, not even in college football,
but the NFL as well. I mean there's part of
you having to survive the ground. You got to get
one foot in college two in the NFL, you know,
And then to a point, it's like, what's the people
in New York gonna tell us?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Like, even in the NFL, some of these refs don't
even make calls. They just make it so the people
in the booth can make those calls for them so
they get protected. That was an egregious miss in the
Kentucky game. So I'm with you there, dude. But if
you find the answer, let us know. I mean, let
the people know, because you would make a lot of
money probably defining what an actual catches.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And if you find the answer to what's wrong with
this football team, let us. I think we know what's
wrong if you have if you have a solution that
doesn't involve firing our entire coaching staff eight five to
nine and two oh twenty two eighty seven. He is
Billy rerut Ledge. I'm Shanning the Dude. We'll come right
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(14:45):
two eighty seven will go to the phones in just
a minute. One person writes in and says, why would
Stoops walk away? Why not just wait it out, collect
the money and be happy. Do you know what I mean?
That's kind of the way I think about it. Like,
if I'm Mark Stoops thirty eight million dollars, I'm going
to stick it out. Like you know, it's not crazy
to think that he would flirt with other teams and

(15:06):
think about going elsewhere. I mean, we've seen it before, right,
His name was mentioned with I think the Florida State
job a while back, right, Texas A and M recently.
So I mean it's not crazy to think that, you know,
some of these rumors could have a shred of truth.
But if you're Mark Stoops, he's got it made. He's
at Kentucky. Expectations are a lot lower here than that

(15:28):
they are in other programs. And I don't know why
he wouldn't just ride it out and collect his thirty
eight million dollars. I think he'd be crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Are you ruining your legacy at some point? I mean
it was a shoe in to build a statue for
the guy multi two to ten wins seasons. You hold
me for a and m at the time.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Hold on, do you think that Mark Stoops cares about
a statue more than thirty eight million dollars? Billy? If
you told me right now, See if you tell me, Billy, Hey,
Shannon the dude, they're going to build you a statue
out there, right right out in front of krogerfil You
can have your very own statue, or we can give
you thirty eight million dollars. You could stick that statue,
or the sun don't shine. I don't care about the statue.

(16:07):
Give me the thirty eight million dollars. So look, maybe
I'm different, and there's maybe a reason I'm not a
college football coach, But Billy, you telling me I can
have a statue and have a great legacy, or I
can have my thirty eight million dollars and ride it
out into the sunset. I'm taking the thirty eight million.
I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, And I love you, Shannon, But you're money motivated,
and I can't say everybody in this world. Is a
lot of people think about what their people think of
them after they're gone. And let me tell you that
statue is gonna last a lot longer than the thirty
eight million dollars that you're gonna get that with me. Well,
that's again, that's why I love you, Shannon. I know
which decision you're gonna make with me.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Look, clearly he's money motivated too, He's the one that
signed the contract.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, but these guys don't play, don't I go into
the coaching profession because they're waiting for that thirty eight
million dollar payday thirty forty years or.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know, you don't think so.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I mean, that's the pinnacle of the sport. If you
get lucky, you get to that. But I mean gratis
assistance out of college are waking up at three in
the morning to go grind tape. It's because they love
what they do, and the chance to have a legacy is,
you know, to many, and probably me more so than you,
more important than a quick payday.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
But here's the legacy. The truth of the matter is
Mark Stups is the best coach we've had in my lifetime.
What about yours?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Uh, that's true.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yes, So there's your legacy. Regardless of what's happened in the
last couple of years, his legacy is going to be
he's still the best coach we've had since Bear Bryant.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I can, I can give him that,
But when does that conversation change. I mean, if he
were to stay two more years, Shannon, I mean, and
then it got even worse. You can't ignore the end
of the tenure. So it's you're correct and phrasing it.
He is the best coach Kentucky has ever had. But
these relationships I just don't think are meant to last

(17:53):
this long. Shann, I mean, do you agree with that?
Like Cal said famously, Kentucky is a ten year job.
It's tough to see any job in college football or
basketball is it more than a ten year job.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
So if he truly believed it's a ten year job.
Why did he sign a lifetime contract?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Col?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yes? Because of the money? Yes, okay, So that goes
back to my point that I was trying to make.
I just care about the money. You think Carry cared
about his legacy?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yes, I do think Cow was already in the Hall
of Fame. He's already. What anybody says to Cow when
he's already in the Hall of.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Fame a ten year or you said it was a
ten year lifespan that you should have as a coach.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's what Cal said. But yeah, I agree with.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
That, And he signed a lifetime contract.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So he took advantage of his success to get a
payday exactly. But now when I think of Cal, what
do you think about? Do you think of St. Peter's Okay,
So there's my argument right there, Shannon. He could be
the greatest Kentucky basketball coach. But the first thing you
thought of was the loss that he had versus Saint Peter.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And do you think that hurts his feelings?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Laughing all hurts his feelings? I don't know. But the
guy that like produces all these point guards to the NBA,
somebody that revolutionized the game was laughed out of his
last job.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
And probably doesn't care one bit. He five nine. Let's
go to Jacob.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Hey, Jacob, Hey, guys, what's going on. The person needs
to leave town. It is miss Barnhart. And if this
comes out it is true that he walked in there
tried to negotiate to buy out, that didn't happen, then
blames on Barnhart. He needs to get out of town.
He looked into Pope. That's he got looked into that

(19:36):
and if that hadn't happened, he all'd be on his
way out. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, Barnhart, he's had some big hits, he's had
some home run highers, He's had some missues over the years, Billy,
But I don't know how long that Barnhart is going
to be here anyway, you know, Like how much longer
is it before he just decides he wants to retire.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, that's coming up. Mitch has done a lot for
this school. He wants to leave it in a spot
where even after he leaves it, it's going to have
a lot of success. But I do think there is
a lot of truth in Arkansas saving us from the
Caliperi contract. And if that, if they had never come
in on their chariot. For the Chicken Man to offer
cal all that money and a new spot, then Kentucky

(20:15):
would be with two of some of the worst contracts
in Mark Stoops and John Caliperry. And talking about you know,
the your contract extends a year every year you make
a Bowl game, Shannon. You know, Matt and I talked
about that. It's like contract that allows you for every
year that that's added for you to not make a
ball game. I mean, that just seems a little bizarre.

(20:35):
You know, Mitch has hit some great hires, but he's
also had some misses. And this, you know, back to legacy, Shannon.
This is a guy that's worked here for over twenty years.
He's helped build programs like the rifle team and and
look at where I'm sitting here in the new Memorial Coliseum.
All the funding that he's secured, He's done a lot.
But if he screws this up, you know, if he

(20:55):
didn't luck into Mark Pope, I think most people would
think of the last few years of his tenure. So
you have to care.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Here's the problem with Stoops too, is you know, with
Calip Perry, you had Arkansas pursuing him wanting him to
be their coach. I don't see a whole lot of
people knocking down on the door trying to get Mark
Stoops to become their coach. And when you're in that
situation and your Mark Stoops, you don't have anybody in
the phones not ringing asking you to come coach their school,
then yeah, you're going to be content to stay there

(21:21):
and take that money.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, yeah, so would I think.

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nothing under it. He's got black leather pants. He's up

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there on stage grabbing his crotch and he's got like
five guys in the background that are doing all the
heavy lifting, like they're singing all the song and he's
just like, you know, every now and then he'll jump
in and sing a line or two or something like that.
And I'm going there, I'm like, this is really bizarre.
People are actually paying money to see David Lee Roth
in the year twenty twenty five. It's kind of crazy.
He's got this this smile that like seems like it's

(23:38):
surgically implanted on his face. It looks like he's got
a lot of plastic surgery. It was done. I don't know,
it's just it's a really bizarre thing. If you look
up later on David Lee Roth live performance in twenty
twenty five, it's like, I don't know, It's like he
still thinks it's nineteen eighty, but the guy can't sing anymore.
T weird.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, you just wait for twenty fifty five to come
around and you're still getting in your tights and your
fodor and your scarf playing for Alice bluegett.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh, somebody telling me to quit, like to say, hey,
retire man, you're done. Like somebody needs to tell David
Lee Roth you're done.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Man. It's out ruining your legacy. David.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
There you go that legacy word again. Yeah, what about
the legacy?

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I understand that you wouldn't shake hands with someone who
came up to you during that sum and you would
not shake hands with the person who it turns out
to be the s I d there at Kentucky.

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, Heaven Crane has been helping us out, and big
thank you to him and deb that have helped us
get set up here at Memorial coll Seum today.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
And they were gonna introduce me to the UK Women's
basketball SID So they brought her around and she stuck
out her hand and I was I was. She was saying,
are you billy or you want to she was starting
to do a conversation. I had to do the mat,
you know. I was like, I'm on the air and
it felt really bad. She had to ran the other way,
and now I got to go find her and make
up for it.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
So you just completely I mean, yeah, I understand you
were on the air, but you didn't even try to
shake her hand or not a fist bump or nothing.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
No, no, And Mario's shaking his head at me. He said, oh,
no handshakes.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
See, when we talk about real failure, are who are
the like, you know, the friendliest people on the KSR staff.
That's why you rank in the bottom, billy, because you
won't even shake hands with the s I d when
she comes up to just.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Say hello you, I'm just gonna throw a challenge flag
on that one. I'm gonna go find her and profusely apologize.
I don't think everybody would do that on the on
the KSR staff, But you know what, it was my bad.
I was in the moment trying to give takes about
statues and shannabying money motivated and Uh, you just got
caught up in the moment. But UK Athletics has been great.

(25:32):
Thank you for having us out here today.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
All right, let's go back to the phone. So let's
go to Andy. What's up? Andy?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Andy, what's up?

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Walking flock of plain says he's got a whole lot
of money. You think that might reach out to it
and see if he's got thirty eight mil or something?

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, I don't think why would he give us money? Andy?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, well we haven't planned as much.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
We haven't planned a run over could use it.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
So uh, cutter Bowie. We're talking about him being the
future of Kentucky if he gets better and better gradually
as the year goes along and Kentucky just keeps doing
what they're doing. I mean, do you really think he'll
be there next year? If Mark Stoops is still the coach?
If there's dots and significant coaches change changes made, Because

(26:19):
I mean, if you put yourself in the position, if
you're a college athlete with NFL aspirations and you're at
Kentucky or you're looking to go hit the porter and
go somewhere, would you really go play for mart Stookes
If you was a wide receiver or a quarterback. I
mean I know I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, but you know it is still you're still playing
in the SEC, and that's where everybody wants to play
in the SEC.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Good sightful.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So that's like that's a question of like, Okay, would
you want to go play quarterback for Vanderbilt. Well, clearly
they found somebody who did, so I feel like Kentucky
can too, and we appreciate the call. Andy, thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think maybe it's more of a question of will
the OC be there next year because if again Mark
Stoups I think is still going to be around next year.
I don't think the buyout is going to happen. So
is bush Hampden going to be there next year? If
you believe some of the rumors, He's not gonna be
there about Saturday. So just it depends on, you know,
if Cutter wants to stick around. He said that he

(27:23):
likes some of the calls that were, you know, being
called by are some of the plays that were being
called by bush Hampden on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So again taking too much of what these guys are saying,
what else are they going to say about their coaches?
And their guys like, unless they throw them under the bus,
it's gonna be canned answers all the time. It's a
fair question from Andy though. I mean, if in college football,
if you see a better opportunity, and especially at a
quarterback spot, then you know you want to put yourself

(27:51):
in the best place to succeed, not just a place
that you were a fan of since you were a kid. Right,
So he's got to think about his future as much
as Mark Stoops and Bush Hampden has to think of theirs,
and as much as Kentucky Athletics has to think about theirs.
But I'm hoping that's not the case, because you know,
Kentucky has gotten these transfer quarterbacks for so many years.
They finally have a homegrown kid that they're able to develop.

(28:12):
And if he's already playing like this as a red
shirt freshman, then you know the sky's the limit. And
then throw in Ponatowski that's going to be coming in,
that dual athlete that could be very talented. So I
know only one guy starts at that position, but I
think there is optimism there. But you got to think
we'll cut her boldly stay if all these same pieces
are in place. Not sure.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I mean, if you're looking for encouragement. Again, as we said,
this is his best game that he's had so far
this year, and for that happening on the road against Georgia,
I think that's a big statement for Cutter.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Now we could change the way that they do nil,
like all these guys that they're paying big money for
that really isn't doing much. You can invest in maybe
getting a wide receiver, one that is able to get
open right instead of a you know, maybe a Kendrick
Law who's a little under that is a gadget player
and is a good player. But for the most part,
Kentucky can't throw the ball ten fifteen yards down the

(29:02):
field because their receivers aren't getting nop.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
That's been a problem all season long. I mean, they've
got to run something to get those guys open. They
can't just keep doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, how many behind the line of scrimmage passes did
we see from bush Hampton this the time?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Still though, you know, with that being said, still through
for two hundred and twenty five yards, so at least
something was working. I mean, there's there's a little bit
of improvement I'm seeing there, let's go to Todd.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Hey, Todd, Hey, Todd, Hey, San Hey, this ain't my
question at first. I used to follow up on that
last part of when he was talking how many people
were knocking the door down for Caliperri the last five
years want him And it's not a question. I'm just saying,
and I'd say Fax the Saint and m is pretty
happy they didn't get Mark Stookes. But I to get

(29:45):
to the question, what what effect is this going to
have on getting a coach and recruiting players as this
continues to drag on. If it don't end this year,
the next year and it gets keeps worse at Kentucky,
He's not a hotbed for a coach, and there's going
to be openings of better schools around the country, how

(30:06):
is this going to affect UK trying to find a
decent coach? Another question you just elaborated. It's not just
this year. Over the last sever years, Kentucky don't know
how to throw a pass over ten yards. The offense
has been like that when we've had the receivers. It's like,
if it's third and seven, we're going to run it
down the middle or throw a little rinky denp pass.

(30:27):
They don't use the assets they've got a lot of
times over the years.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, and the offensive coordinators that we've talked about, Dix
for the call to take you Todd. You know, throughout
the years, you've had offensive coordinators who struggled here and
then went off and had great success other places. And
again that goes back to Mark Stoops, right, even though
he claims that he doesn't handcuff the ocs at all,
and they call what they want. You have to at

(30:53):
some point think, okay, all these offensive coordinators struggling at
Kentucky and going off to you know, Liam Cohen going
off to the NFL having success. Yeah, Shannon Dawson having
some success. So I mean, like, you know, at some
point it goes back to your head coach, Billy. You
got to at some point point the finger to him.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I mean, he is the common denominator in all this.
And you know, a lot of times you're looking for
a reset, you're looking to make a change. You fire
an offensive coordinator and on a new offensive line coach
comes in. You know, you're looking to change the parts.
But if the operation isn't working, if it's been multiple years,
you got to look in the mirror a little bit.
You know, on Kentucky as a job. As a whole,

(31:31):
I would argue it's one of the better jobs in
the country. Yeah, we've talked about this. I mean he
makes nine million dollars a year to try to win
seven games, So I mean that is attractive to a
lot of money motivated people. So if you're not worried
about making the playoff and you want to just go
make money, then Kentucky's a great spot for you. So
there is gonna it's gonna attract suitors, but you know,

(31:53):
you have to think about the damage that might be
done to the fan base before that change is made, right,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
But they'll come back.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Well, here's the thing, right, Indiana is a blueprint for
you can just rebuild it in one year, right, I
mean Vandy Mississippi State this year. I mean they're able
to just quickly reload and then just look like a
completely different program. So that is the optimism that anybody has.
But I just think we need to change the way
or who they hire, Shannon, instead of maybe getting an

(32:21):
incumbent coach or somebody that's been around for a while,
why not get an up and comer from like D
two or a lower D one team. That's kind of
what Indiana did with James Madison. They bring in Kurt Signetti.
He brings in all his players from James Madison and
they make the playoff in their first year from Indiana.
It's just the way that they go about it may
need to change a little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let's go to Joe Hey, Joe, yeah, thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
Quickly do Rodriguez call uh that's florer line in mysmates,
And that's just right down cheating. We got cheated out
of a play and I don't really understand why we
got such disrespect for Kintucky football. It was scread with clartic.
You know, that's just no way to describe that, the cheating.

(33:04):
And secondly, on miss Barnhart, to be fair, I've been
harder and brought mister Barnhart for a long time. He
did bring in coach Brooks, that was a great move,
but football rules financially, he has been a failure in
the last couple of years on the football level, and
he has got to solve this problem. I don't know

(33:24):
how he solves it unless his church members gives you
a thirty eight million that we might solve the problem.
Other than that have a great day. It's just a
total total failure right now with mister Barnhart, thanks a.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Lot, thanks for the call, Joe. Yeah, I mean Barnhart
has brought in a lot of great players. And if
we had this conversation about Stoops a few years ago
when he was winning ten games a year, we would
say it's a great hire. And it was a great
hire for a while. But again it goes back to
these buyout contracts that these coaches get, which is amazing
to me. Billy pay you thirty eight million dollars to
go away, and coaches get that in their contract and

(34:02):
if that could, you know, as long as that continues
to happen, you're going to continue to have teams that
are in the situation to where they have a coach
they don't want, but there's thirty eight million dollars that
they can't afford to pay and you're stuck with them.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, in buyouts and in sports are crazy. The salaries
of college coaches are insane. Maybe that's something you see
go down a little bit as schools or you know,
pay their own athletes now, but there's no question that
these salaries have gotten out of hand for coaches. You know, Mitch,
it kind of handcuffed in both the basketball and football situations, right,
UCLA wanted to hire cal That's what leads to the

(34:34):
lifetime contract. You know, Stoops flirts with A and M
and you retain the guy and you move forward there.
You know, it's hindsight's twenty twenty, but those were two
critical situations there with Mitch.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Let's take one more call before the break. We'll go
to Judy. Hey, Judy, Hey Judy, how are you all good?

Speaker 7 (34:51):
Good?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I don't know if anyboys ever talked about this, but
you know, is divorced was final as May of twenty
twenty one. Do you think that it's kind of been
a lot different since then?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Maybe a little wilder or a little wilder off the field. Yet,
I don't know about Stupid's personal life.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I mean, I would think that have going through a
divorce would probably change a lot of things. And you
know the way that you go through your day to
day life, I'm sure it has an effect on it,
and I'm sure that bleeds over into your work as well.
But Billy, I don't know. Do you think that that
had anything to do with what's happened on the field.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, you know, I don't want to speculate about anybody's
personal life and how it impacts them on a daily basis,
but I would say it's impossible for it to not
to impact you, right, I'm sure it's I mean, it's
it's your wife, it's your your kids moving to a
different state. So I mean, who am I to say
they had a lower wind total because of this? But
obviously everything impacts things.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Thanks for the Calle Judy eight five nine two eight
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Speaker 1 (37:14):
Final segment of the KSR pre shows coming up next.
Mark Pope said over the weekend, Billy in an event,
he was asked about the denim jerseys. He said that
not only will they bring them out this upcoming season,
he said it could be not just a special one
off thing. He says that there could be multiple games
where the team rocks the denim.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I know you're for that, right Heck, yeah, yeah, not
just one game, but multiple, you know, Mark Pope appealing
to the people. I love to hear that. I think
it was what hoops and heels over the weekend where
a lot of females were able to come out and
talk to the basketball team. So that's great news. We
already knew that Converse released the Denham shoe, so I
think this is all just and then lead up with that.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I think that they would have had him last year.
But he said there's a lot of red tape they
had to go through, so I guess a lot of
I don't know, legal stuff that they had to figure
out before they could get the you know, the licensing
armor or whatever it might be. But you know, people
love nostalgia. People love things that bring them back to
a think to a time when things were better, whether
it be you know, going to see an old band

(38:15):
that you used to listen to or you know, trends
that are nostalgic, watching.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Old movies, old cartoons.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
For me, old cartoons. Oh yeah, people love this and
I'm one of them too. And trust me, Billy, I mean,
the older you get, the more nostalgic you'll get because
you'll be thinking about the good old days. And I
think that that's why the denim. It's not because they
look great. I don't think the denim necessarily looked that great.
It's kind of ugly. But you know the fact that
we can see the current team where the denim and

(38:44):
think about the ninety six team.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, it's perfect with Pope being the head coach and
everything that happened at RUPP last year with all this
alumni coming off the bus. How cool of a moment
was that. So this was just the natural, you know,
evolution of all this. So turning the page here Media Day, Shannon, Yeah,
we're talking more about basketball.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's like if fans had a wish list of things
they'd like to bring back and Mark Pope just going
right down the list and just checking those boxes.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
So what big Blue Maddness coming up this Saturday? Is
this where we completely lose the football fan base, well.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, with the bye week and everything. I mean, maybe
you bring some back if you're able to beat Texas
because they just look god awful. But yeah, I mean
this is a basketball state for a reason, Shannon, So
we'll probably see some of that movement and Keenland going
on right now too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I mean, we're still going to have a full stadium,
I feel like, but I hope that it's not mostly
orange the next couple of weeks with Texas and Tennessee
coming to town back to back weekends, so you know,
I think that, you know, there's going to be a
full stadium, but it might be more of the other
fan base than our own, and I just hope that's
not the case. We can't let Tennessee come in and

(39:48):
just completely take over Kroger Field. But I feel like
if they lose bad the Texas on the eighteenth, there's
a chance that on the twenty fifth, there's gonna be
a lot of orange in Kroger Field, and that hurts
my soul. Billy can't have that happen.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
No, No, we gotta you gotta protect home turf, you know,
as bad as it gets with Mark Stoops will it
get as bad as what's going on with Bill Belichick
over the weekend?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Gosh awful. You think you think they're regretting that higher
now at North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't know what they're thinking. I mean, they have to.
It's just been such a circus and for him them
to just come out so flat. I mean, you want
to talk about legacy, Shannon, Bill Belichick and his legacy
as a coach. I mean Tom Brady leaves, he wins
a super Bowl without him, and then he goes and
coaches a college team and sucks it up. I think
he's like under five hundred of a coach without Tom
Brady failed at Cleveland, failed with left the Jets before

(40:35):
you could play a game. Don't get me worked up.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Look, I think his legacy has improved. All right. My
guy is in his seventies. He's dating Jordan Hudson. That
is a legend. You want to talk about legacy.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
A legend North Carolina?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yes, it's North Carolina football. North Carolina football.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Oh God, what a joke.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
What do you mean, Bill Belichick?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, just being like his legacy's better for dating the
twenty five year old and then you know, just doing
everything he's doing with North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, guy's a legend of my book. I don't care
what you say. And again it's North Carolina football, you know. Yeah,
they had a chance to bring in Bill Belichick. Why
wouldn't you? If you're Kentucky football, you had the chance
to bring in Bill Belichick, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I would? Well, John Gruden's that next conversation, would you
bring in John Gruden? Or would you bring in something?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
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(41:45):
next live from Kentucky Media Day, and uh, we'll talk
I'm sure a whole lot more about the rumors that
are going around the Kentucky Georgia game, and a whole
lot more until then, This has been the KSR pre show.
We'll talk to you tomorrow at nine o'clock for Billy
Right Legend Shane of the Dude. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
See it