November 19, 2025 • 41 mins
Shannon The Dude and Billy Rutledge talk Kentucky Men's Basketball loss to Michigan State, and Kentucky Women's Basketball win over Purdue.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone to another edition of the KSR pre Show.
Today is Wednesday, November nineteenth. I am Billy Rutlers along
with Shannon the Dude. You can give a call on
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And as always, the KSR pre Show is brought to
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you by Italics Fine Italian Dining in Lexington, Kentucky at
the City Center on Main Street. We'll take some calls
today so we'll have open lines like we always do
here on the pre Show. What a win for the
cats as the UK women's basketball team beats Produced seventy
six to thirty five last night, Shannon, that's it's worth celebrating,
isn't it? Good morning?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today, the
women's basketball team, because the men certainly didn't show up
for their game.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah. You mentioned we're gonna be taking some phone calls.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Do you think we'll have any strong takes, any strong
opinions from callers today after that game last night.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm talking about the men's game.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, probably for both games Shannon. I mean when when
you hold perdue to only nine points in the second half,
I mean, that's cause for celebration. So if you'd like
to call today eight five nine two eight h two
two eight seven, or if you have some takes about
the Kentucky men's team losing to Michigan State eighty three
to sixty six at Madison Square Garden, we'll take some
of those calls too, Shannon. It's kind of a gloomy
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day here in Lexington. There's a fog that's sinning, and
it kind of feel like matches maybe with a lot
of BBN feels this morning. How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm all right.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I'm wide awake. I woke up at four o'clock this morning.
I couldn't go back to sleep, so I decided, you
know what I'll do. I'll do some show. I'll do
some show prep. I'm going to go back and watch
the highlights or the low lights of the Kentucky Michigan
State last game last night, just to make sure I
didn't miss anything. And it was just as brutal going
back and watching the highlights as it was watching the
game in real time. I mean, where do you want
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to start? I mean Kentucky was I don't know, do
you call that a blowout? Like where what point total
would you call it blowout? Is it twenty? Because it
felt like Kentucky really got blown out last night. They
only had beat by what's seventeen, but if felt like
a blowout.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Got up to twenty four at one point. They competed
for about seven minutes, but then it felt like the
game was in hand for Michigan State. Kentucky battled back
to ten at one point, but Michigan State called a timeout, regrouped,
looked much better coming out of that timeout. And I
don't know, man, Kentucky never had a chance. And that
may come from the top down. We'll get into all
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of it today. But Kentucky shoots thirty five percent from
the field, twenty three percent from three, They're out rebounded
forty two to twenty eight, and they allow a Michigan
State team who had hit only thirteen threes on the
season shooting twenty two percent through three games thirteen of
sixty to go eleven of twenty two. Not to mention,
what did they have like five in the first six
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minutes of the game. Shannon like there was a lack
of perimeter defense. I think that's an understatement, but Shannon,
this is shocking. I mean, this is this is the
second game against a good team in the regular season
that Kentucky he has not been up for the challenge
and a disappointing result last night. As you know, that's
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now the second game that they've gotten blown out of
Madison Square Garden under Mark Pope. Ohio State didn't go
well last year. Kentucky, after winning a lot of games
versus ranked opponents early on in Mark Pope's tenure, is
now what three of their last three and eight in
their last eleven games versus the AP top twenty five.
Not a good look for Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Now, Kentucky got out everything out last night. Out physical, old,
out played, out coached, you name it. Michigan State going
back to the physicality thing that we talked about on
the show yesterday, just I mean had their way with Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And Kentucky has got to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
They got to get tougher, especially in the paint, or
it's going to be a long season when you get
into the sec defensive breakdowns, giving up layups, lob passes
for dunks, wide open threes, always gave up a runout
oop and then on another play just got completely faked
out of his shoes gave open a wide open three.
And then my other takeaway is that Marino needs to
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be playing more minutes than Garrison. Both of them last
night got twenty minutes. Marino at least gives you something offensively,
Brandon Garrison basically gives you nothing out there on the floor.
So I think that Pope has got to seriously take
a look at how many minutes he's allowing Garrison to play,
because he's becoming a liability out there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Billy.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And now this is two games and you're really your
first two tests of the year. They failed completely, And
it's concerning a little bit. I know Kentucky's battling injuries,
but you know what, other teams that they're playing are
going to be dealing with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The same issue.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But man, you still got like I said earlier or
yesterday on the show, you still got three top twenty
five opponents left on that non conference schedule. You don't
want to be going into conference to play with five losses
already when we talked about maybe six for the entire season.
So there's definitely some concern I think reason for concern
for this Kentucky basketball team.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, you're right about Brandon Garrison. There's a clip going
around of him not being able to get that rebound,
which is brutal and just really standing around. I mean,
there are maturity issues with this team. There are chemistry
issues with this team. The ESPN report mid game that
players were barking at each other in the huddle and
Mark stop. Mark Pope had to step in to kind
of separate some guys and get them to focus on
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the game.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They were at each other. Really, they're barking, barking, was
the report. So not talking trash to each other, just going.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, but like probably angry wolves, you know, because is.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That Is that how kids talk to each other?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They just bark at each other?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Ah, I mean more or less? Yes, Okay, but look,
this is the sophomore season of Mark Pope, and after
a feel good nostalgia tour last year with guys that
played for the name on the back of their jersey
and not the one on the front, it feels like
it's completely flipped. And if the main storyline of the
game was just how bad Kentucky played in the game,
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the secondary storyline has to be Mark Pope after the game, Shannon,
because he did not look like a leader that resonated
any confidence. I posted the show thread this morning of
the gift of him walking in the tunnel before the
game started, and Shan, I mean, it looked like a
dead man walking. It looked like a guy that knew
that his team was not going to be able to compete.
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And after this strange week that we've had with Kentucky basketball,
with whatever happened in the U offl pregame to the
Taylor swift, I'll leave some breadcrumb so the media will
keep trying to figure things out. To waiting fifty minutes
before he came out of the locker room to address
the media, Shannon, it just looks like a broken man
that doesn't know the solution to the problem. And so
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when we take some phone calls today, I'm curious to
hear about the pulse of the fan base. Is it
time to panic or not. It's just tough to see
this getting better when you look at the leaders be
so distraught. Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean it is. Again, let's put it all in
two perspective here.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's five games into the season, so I'm trying not
to overreact, but you're right out. One thing, something hasn't
been right with Mark Pope since that Louisville game, and
it kind of feels like Louisville temporarily broke Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It does. Say what you want.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
About it, but it feels something has just been off
about Mark Pope since that game, with the press conferences
that he's done, with the the interview that he did
with Tom Leach last night.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I listened to that. That was just awkward.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean, Pope was giving one word answers to Tom
Leach and you know, poor Tom, he's doing his best here.
He's got you know, two or three minutes that he's
got to fill, you know, of air Tom, and Mark
Pope wasn't doing him any favors when he was just
giving him like nope, and he's like, well, what did
you say to the guys? We said a lot of
things to a lot of things. We said a lot
of things, and he basically just didn't have any answer
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for the questions that Tom had, which were all legitimate questions.
After the game. Mark Pope just I don't know, he's internalizing.
It feels like, and that can't be helped for the
rest of the team. You know, as the coach, you're
you're the leader. You have to stay positive in these situations.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And it's just to defend Pope a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I will say this, how many times did we hear
fans last year going and all the years with Cali
Perry going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I wish Cali Perry would just act like he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
We just want to see that our coach is hurt
after a loss, and we see that from Mark Pope.
But I feel like we see that in the extreme
from Mark Pope, where Cali Perry would just brush it
off and go, well, at least I get to go
home and hang out with my dogs and watch a
little house in the prairie. Mark Pope is like on
the opposite side of that, almost too much.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So I will defend them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You can definitely tell that these losses hurt, but something
has definitely been off with.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The vibe since that loisvill game.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The vibes are off. Yeah, there's a great way to
put it. And if Mark Pope's strength was understanding the
fan base in his first season about you know, the
checklist of things that Kentucky fans wanted, you know, understanding
the assignment. You know, I just read the room a
little bit. You got to be able to face the
music and talk to the media about what's going on.
Here are some of the other quotes that we heard
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from Mark Pope after the game yesterday. We're not in
this for each other right now. My message is not
resonating with the guys right now. He also went on
to say the key to success is relying on this
team and on each other, and just they're just not
doing that right now, Shane, and it's you know, they're
completely discombobulated, and then ended his press conference with we
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will not fail this season.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, And I saw the video clip of that, and
I also saw was it Mario that posted the video
that look like as some people interpreted otega Oway's facial
expressions of maybe him rolling his eyes. As Mark Pope
said that I'm gonna defend Oway on this, I don't
think that he was making any sort of body language
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reaction that was negative. And now I think a lot
of people have seen that and really just blown it
out of proportion. To me, it just looked like he
was looking up in the air.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know, I agree. I think I think we're dissecting
everything too last night. I think that may be a
little bit of an extreme. You're not going to be
thrilled in that postgame press conference after a loss like that,
but I mean there's reasonable questions about it take away
this year. I mean there are reasonable questions that Mark
Pope answered last night, and while he was brief, this
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is not going to go away. And unfortunately, we're not
going to be able to learn much more about this
team until I guess maybe later in December, Shannon. A
couple stinky games coming up, and you know, you've played
two games or really, I guess you could say four
against good Power four teams and maybe you peaked in
that first exhibition game, Shannon, But Georgetown, Louisville and now
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Michigan State. It's just been disappointing and embarrassing. A lack
of effort, which is just really surprising after everything that
we saw in that first season, like the Amari Williams,
the Kobe Braas. These guys with a chip on their
shoulder came to Kentucky with this like we're gonna do this,
So we're going to do this together and right Now,
this is not a team that's together. I mean, as
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you know, as we talk, not in the locker room.
I think everybody can see that this team has some
discontent for each other, and that's normal in sports. But
now it's up to Mark Pope to fix that, right right, yep,
It's up to him to find the solution. That's why
you're paid these millions of dollars. And that's why that
twenty two million dollar figure gets brought up by probably
multiple callers later today, Shannon, that's just that is the
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perception of Kentucky basketball in twenty twenty five. When other
college basketball coaches are asked about Kentucky, that figure will
get brought up, and for better or for worse, when
you pay players that kind of money, maybe some discontentment
can come up. But Shannon, there's a lot of things
we can talk about about this game. Will continue to
break it down as the day goes on. But I
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did want to mention the women. Man, they were great.
They That was why I led off the show with
the women. Seventy six to thirty five versions perdue when
you only allow nine points in the second half, this
team is defensively special. I just feel bad for everybody
that watched the men's game on the jumbo tron inside
Memorial Coliseum, because they should, I guess, been focusing on
the win they had.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I can't imagine like being there at the women's game
for those of you who went, because you're watching the
women's team absolutely dominate Perdue. Then you look up on
the jumbo tron and you're watching Kentucky just get destroyed
by Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So do you leave that game filling?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You turn it off halfway fulfilled and halfway not, you know,
because part yeah exactly. Somebody, somebody there at the Memorial
Coliseum was like, hey, can we get the remote and
put on a different game up THEREWN.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Twenty four is like, can we like channel surf a
little bit? See what else is on? We got the
media box here, We got all the channels. But A
five nine two, A two two eight seven, give us
a call. Five oh two two six five six six
five six is the text line if you'd like to
join us there, modiabatae should never shoot a three again. Shit,
I'm like, let's just make.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That a rule. Yeah, I'd be all right with that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I mean a four from three, Like what are we
doing here shooting that much?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Again? Those are those are bad shots.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And you know it's okay to get thirty three point
shots up as long as the right guys are shooting them.
But Modia Batti is not the guy that you want.
You got a lot of shooters on that team. He's
just not one of them. So why is he taking
that shot?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Why is he taking that many shots so early on?
It's driving me crazy there. You know, somebody on the
text line late last night did ask a fair question, Shannon.
I mean the Annabel Doll did come to rupp Aerna
before the season. I mean, this is this is getting
a little eerie. But you know, I guess we're at
the finger pointing stage right now, are we not? Like
we've got to try to find out what's wrong? Why
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is it going wrong? But I think there's a lot
of valid criticism coming from what's been happening last night.
It was an eventful postgame show. A lot of angry
callers last night. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure they can imagine,
right yep. And we got lines loaded today, so I
can't wait to hear what everybody's going to say on
the pre show this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But yeah, it do just an ugly game last night.
That's the best way I can put it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Just.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
The good thing is, though it's a long season and
we're only five games in, let's just hope that this
is not Let's hope this is an outlier and not
the trend of how the season is going to go
without Jalen Low, which, by the way, we still don't
really know anything about that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Another mystery right now.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The word we've heard about his future is foggy, which
means we don't know anything about his future.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We don't know anything more today than we do two
days ago.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I mean, do you look at the team right
now and say, I got to hustle back. I just
I don't know. I don't know the way that the
kid thinks. Hopefully it's not that selfishly. But this team
has got to find their identity. They've got to figure
out what makes them tick and what they can fall
back on when going when they get punched in the
mouse Shannon how this just seems to be a reoccurring theme.
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But we want to hear from you again. Eight five
nine two eight zero two two eight seven. We'll take
a break and be right back here. On the KSR
appreciate Welcome Back, Billy and the Dude here on a
Wednesday recapping the Kentucky Michigan State Champions Classic game. It
was the first game of the night and glad we
got that out of the way because it was great.
It was gross and not only would did Mark Pope
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look sad in the tunnel before the game. I don't
know if you saw the Goodman interview that he did afterwards,
and you're sad in that, Yeah, you know, Goodman's like,
this is the saddest I've ever seen you, which is
you know, Jeff, somebody that knows the guy pretty well.
So that was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That was a two minute interview, and I don't think
Mark Pope looked up from the ground once.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He just staring straight at the ground. The entire interview, and.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Tom Leech's interview was only three minutes and some change too.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I mean Tom was prying, trying to get anything
out of him, and Mark Pope had nothing to say.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, and in the past I would kill Cal for
something like that. There were times he would just walk
away from Tom after a loss on the road. So
I think I need to be critical and Mark Pope here.
I mean, you get paid a lot of money to
give these answers, But there is I guess, like a
sense of this is his alma mater. He knows what
it means to be a Kentucky Wildcat. I guess he
gets the fan base, so he takes it internally so hard.
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But you can't do that as a leader of men.
You've got to exude confidence. You've got to get those
guys back on the rebound. But Shannon, I guess if
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Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right Well, well, yeah, and I will say they were
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Speaker 2 (16:20):
That was a twelve point game which Duke won, and.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Tyler Thompson, Drew Franklin, Jack Pilgrim. Those guys on the
website do a great job recapping the game. There was
plenty of it last night, But a stat that I
read in one of their stories was there were thirty
six different five man combinations used against u of L
in Michigan State, with just one of those combinations his
starters playing more than six minutes on the floor together.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think that goes back to what he was talking
about with trying to find their identity, trying to find
out which rotation is going to be the go to
rotation for the season and still early in the year,
like I said, so that's you know, you're still trying
to figure these things out. You just hope that we
would have it maybe maybe more of a clue of
who the players are going to be in the rotation
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instead of having to go through thirty six different versions
of that to get to the answer.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And that's a problem that you have with depth when
you're going to try to play ten eleven guys like that,
When you only have six or seven, these roles are
much more defined, and it'll be curious to see how
many guys continue to play that many minutes. But we
will see. I want to get to the phones eight
five nine, two two eight seven. Let's get it started
shitting who we got it first?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Ye's go to John.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Good morning John, Hey guys, how's it going. Thanks for
taking my call. I want to let you know, I
think I know it exactly what's wrong with this team
and what's problem is all right, you've got to coach. Well, uh,
the animals is running the zoo because you have a
coach that's not shown any discipline. He's if you got
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Bobby Knight on one end of the spectrum of being
too hard. Mark Popes on the other end, he's not
near hard enough. Anybody that's watched a couple of Kentucky
games knows that Moda Batte should never take a three
point shot. He should be setting the screens, should be
playing hard nosed defense and maybe heading to lay up
every now and then. And everybody knows that, oh way,
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what he should be doing, and he's not doing it.
Hope is not setting and defining these roles because he's
trying to be everybody's friend. He's letting he's being too
easy on these guys. These kids will run a muck
if you let them, and he's letting them. I'm sorry.
I like him, that's my opinion, but I think he's
too soft. And it's like, if you go into a
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manager's role or something, you can always go in a
little too hard and ease off a little bit. It's
impossible to do it the other way around. I think
you come in too easy. It's it's a lot harder
to get hard and tough all of a sudden. And
I'll hang up and listen to you guys. Thanks for
taking my call.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, John, all right, Thank you, John, So he
talked about discipline there, and something that a point of
emphasis that Mark Pope has talked about over the last
week or so is the first three steps in Kentucky
guys running back on defense. You know, the starters were
in the game late in that game versus Eastern Illinois,
and you know they're making sure that these guys their
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first three step are sprinting back shin. And when you
have to emphasize the effort things, then you know maybe
there is a discipline thing at hand.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What do you think, Well, I mean, Mark Pope does
seem like a nice guy, overly nice guy. But then
again we hear these stories of how last year he
bloodied up his hand because he broke a whiteboard and
chairs and tables in the locker room at halftime. So
you know, you and I and I would venture to
say most of these callers have never been in a practice,
So we don't know how tough Mark Pope is on
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these guys behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I mean, we just know what we see on TV.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He's not screaming like Cali Perry was go at the
top of his lungs, and you know, up in these guys' faces,
maybe he has a different in game coaching style. But
I can't say that Mark Pope is too soft because again,
we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I
don't know how his relationship is with these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
But I will say though.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Again, something is definitely off with the entire aura of
this team, and it has been now for the past
week or so.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Man, can you imagine being in that post game locker room.
I mean, he didn't come out for fifty minutes. I'm
sure it wasn't because of the pleasant.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm sure he wasn't shaking their hands and telling them
they played a great job. It was probably a lot
of you know, probably a lot of screaming. If I
had to guess, I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
We have time for another call or do we need
to take a break? Got about a minute here, Okay,
let's go to one quick. All right, let's go to Corey. Hey, Corey, Hey, Corey,
what's up?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (21:24):
What's going on? Who would have thought back in September,
Eskentucky fans when we were saying, man, I can't wait
for the basketball season, not even only the December yet,
and we're already, like, man, is this Saturday yet?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
But I'm not going to take two mints.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Away from this Losch Now, I look back to twenty fourteen,
we had some blunders and then we ended up in
the national championship game. I'm going to focus on Kenny
Griffs and the girls. They're doing amazing. I'm gonna focus
on the volleyball team, they're doing great, cutter bowley, and
as the football team rolling Eskentucky fans, we have a
lot to be happy about. It's too early in the
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basketball season to beat hild Up on that. Let's look
at everything that we got to go on.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Think.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Okay, good call, Corey, thank you. That's a glass half
full kind of call that we needed going into this heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We thought we'd be talking about football stright for a
football season.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We'll be right back, welcome back. That's right. The content
of your character is how you act when nobody's watching, right, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Well, I mean it just goes back to the caller
saying that, you know, Mark Pope's too soft.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I mean maybe he is, but maybe he's not. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's like people that listen to this show and they
they write me. Sometimes they go, you're a jerk, Shannon,
Shannon's a jerk, or they write, Matt, you know, Matt,
you're an ass. Well maybe, but you know what, you
only hear us for like a couple of hours on
the radio. That's what you know about us. You're not
with us the other twenty two hours of the day.
And I feel like that's us With Mark Pope. We
see him for a couple of hours in a basketball
game and assume that because he's not screaming in these
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guys face, that he's being too soft on him. But
we don't know what he's doing the other twenty two
hours with his life, and when he's at practice, we don't.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
See all that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean, just because Beta Billy can't give blood
one day, and it doesn't mean that I'm not pumping
iron at the gym a little later. You know, like
you just don't know. It'll make those assumptions. The caller
is right though, And I brought this up on the
post game show last night, the perception switch of Kentucky
football and men's basketball just in the past three week.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Shan, it's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean, Stoops is out of a job at that point.
I mean, he's already been written off and Kentucky just
beat the number one team in the country in an
exhibition game.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
M hm killed him.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So and now we find ourselves with Mark Pope struggling
for answers and Mark stoops on the verge of being
bull bound again. So it's just I think that's why
we love sports. It's the greatest reality show. But at
the same time, sports can drive us to crazy lengths,
and that's why we have people and the lines loaded
right now to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
How many more losses for Mark Pope before we're talking
about his buyout? I mean, that's the span base, man,
It just is we care and that's what makes this
the greatest fan base.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, but it's escalated, man, I mean we were talking
about is the honeymoon over recently? Well, it's it's long
gone now, and now this team will have to respond
a five nine two two two eight seven. Who's up next?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Due, Let's go to Dylan. He did, Dylan?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (24:21):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
So I've I've watched Kentucky basketball for my entire life
now and after last night, it just makes me so
mad and frustrates me so much when the camera pans
over to Mark Pope standing on the sidelines with an
orange cross and that just blank stare. He looks like
a guy that literally like, he looks like a guy
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that's got too important at work. That's what he looks like.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And I'm just like, it just.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Gets on my nerves. And then Otago Ohae don't want
Kie'll have heard it. But Otago Oway making the comments last
night after end the post game that he was lacking
on getting effort, that just summarizes the entire game last
night as a whole. So I'm gonna get off here
and I hope you'll have a good day and I
want shut up and listen to talk.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Thanks for the call, Dylant. I appreciate your listening.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
There is no excuse for a lack of effort. You know,
effort takes no talent whatsoever. You don't have to be
talented at all to try hard, and that you know
that's there is no excuse for a lack of effort.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And but Olway seemingly aware that he's not giving one
hundred percent effort and at the caller's right about the
quote that he gave at the end of the game.
But body language is important. I mean, especially when you're
that leader and people are looking up to you about
the answers that you give. There's also philosophy and golf
shin and that you're supposed to look to the sunset,
So like, if you're playing, you shouldn't look at the ground.
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You shouldn't keep your head down, you shouldn't be upset
about the last shot that you had. You need to
look forward. You need to keep your head up. And
if you physically just look forward more in a round
of golf, I think statistically it is actually better for
you and you will play better just because of your mentality.
And Mark Pope is looking at the ground coming out
of that tunnel yesterday, well, and I think you could
feel it out of them, and I think this team
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can is you know, a product of their coach. If
cow made the guys too nervous to play in the
first rounds of the NCAA tournament because nothing mattered from
about March, then Mark Pope, being discombobulated and bewildered about
how to fix this team is not going to do
anything but trickle down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
To the players. Got it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Look forward Okay, believe it or not, I'm such a
bad golfer. I've had to look backwards before. I've hit
a ball backwards. I think you've seen it before.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did not do that?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He did went to the we were at like a
simulator at a golf court.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
How is this physically possible backwards?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It turns out my left.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Got it on film here too. I had to look
that back up here in the break.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I wasn't looking into the horizon like you said. That
was my problem.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Keep your chin up, you need to see.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm told in rustling to keep your chin down.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You got to tuck your chin out, you're telling me
in golf, I gotta keep the chin up. I don't
know which way the chin's supposed to go. That's the problem.
That's why I'm a bad golfer. Let's get Richard done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Hey, Richard, what's up?
Speaker 10 (26:51):
Well, I'm straight down. It was last night I was
watching that mass. I no cohesiveness in the team.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
To me.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
I think it all falls on the guard plate. I
think we got four guys shooting the ball doing all
the shooting from outside, and two of them don't need
to be shooting from three point land. They're not getting
the ball to our shooters. There's too much individualism personally.
I think there may be a little jealousy. I don't
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know what's going on, but there's something really got this
team Lyle stuff. Wells, I'll get off from here. Y'all
have a nice day. God bless and I'll listen to
what you gotta say. Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, thank you, Richard. I can't put it all on
the guard play. I mean we've mentioned Brandon, Garrison and
Modavatte already tonight. Maybe you need to play mo at
the five a little bit more. Maybe Malchai Moreno is
your answer until Jading Quaintins gets back. But you know
you're gonna have to see some effort from these guys
and some continuity too. I mean, when the second unit
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comes in, when he makes those masks sub Shannon, you
see a huge off. And then when the starters come
back in, they just weren't able to find their way
again either. So you know, I don't know this mystery
was Jalen Low. Do you think it's impacting like the
chemistry and just kind of routine of.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
These I think it definitely is, But you know, it's
a situation that it looks like there's a good chance
we're just gonna have to deal with it for the
rest of the year, especially if Jalen low doesn't come
back from this injury.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I hope that he can.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I'm not saying he's going to be the saving grace
because even with Jalen Lowe last night, you don't win
that game unless you think that he's gonna put up
eighteen points or you know, do some miraculous you give
a bunch of assists to where these guys are going
to score a bunch more points to where you're gonna
win the game. I don't think Jalen low would would
have saved Kentucky last night.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean that was somebody that is
not as good defensively. So with Aberdeen in, you think
you could play a little bit better, but then you
allowed the team that shoots twenty two percent from three
to hit eleven of twenty two last night. Let's take
another call. Who's up next?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Kickleball? Paul?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Hey, Paul, what's going on? Gas too much to say?
I just think that they you know that they can
get better offensively, they can get better defensively. But it
goes back to what Billy wanted to argue with me yesterday.
I think Billy's going back to the JV team. You
can get better with different things, but you're not going
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to get stronger. But come down March a perfect example
Malachai ma Reno going to the rim last night. Jalen
quaintness probably would have broke that boy's arm. The blocked it,
yet Malachi wasn't strong enough to finish. Look at our
body types. Trenton Noa looks like a fifteen year old
kid out there, and I keep hearing about how much
bigger and stronger he is. Until this team starts getting
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some physicality aout him, it's going to be a long year.
And I'll get off here and listen to what you
got to say.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Thanks to call Paul.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I think you know again, we've been talking about it.
I felt like a lot the last couple of days
that the lack of physicality came back to get him again.
And these teams are just going to play so rough
and so physical, and if you're not prepared for that,
you're going to get run over.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You just are.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I feel like that's gonna happen a lot in the
sec That's the way these teams play.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you is,
how do you think they faire an SEC play if
they're struggling with physicality right now? But well, you know, look,
we've talked about there's a lot of season left to play.
I mean, can Mark Pope get more out of these guys, Sure,
But CBS Sports last night called Kentucky the most disappointing
team in college basketball for the first two and a
half weeks of the season, and with their expectations. I
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don't think that's unfair.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
No, I mean, we were talking about number nine winning
a national title after beating Purdue, beating our chess. Then
you turn around, you lose to Georgetown, you lose to Louisville,
could have gotten blown out at Louisville and pretty much
got blown out last night.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You trailed by twenty in both your two games in
the regular season versus Power four teams YEP, trailed by
twenty twenty four in the last game versus Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if the last two minutes
doesn't go Kentucky's way, you could have easily lost that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Game last night about thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yes, that's unacceptable. Embarrassing on the national stage. And Mark
Pope in these big games has not been good. He
is not after those first five that he looked so
magnificent in so Kentucky's gonna have to respond. There's there's
no doubt about it. Who's next year?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Todd?
Speaker 11 (31:17):
Hey, Tod, Hey, good morning, gentlemen. A couple of things here.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
We're losing you, Todd Todd.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Are you still there?
Speaker 10 (31:26):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (31:27):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Hello, Yeah, we got you. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:31):
So, Billy, I want to know if you've signed a
deal with Logans of Lexington for your fashion ensembos for
the future road trips.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Not yet, but you know, maybe dressing up a little
bit maybe become my thing here?
Speaker 11 (31:46):
Hey, more propsy. I think I think you did it.
You did yourself a service that you looked good. Second
of all, just seven point five million dollars spit in
a suitcase of that size?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Uh yeah, probably? I mean a lot of room in
that suitcase? Is that what Mark post bayot is?
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
What this is?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
No?
Speaker 11 (32:05):
No, man, When I saw that online, I thought, could
that be the same suitcase that was in storage? Wars?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So oh yeah, yeah for the story on Friday, I'm
following you.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Yeah, And then my next question is I guess for
me is what player do we are we going to
say we missed the most from last year's team. I'm
going to say Amari Williams, just because he was able
to pass the ball well, he was still able to
get in there and be defensive at times. I mean
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he had moments of offensive production. But for me, I think,
you know, a big guy bringing the ball up the court,
taking some of the movement away from from the defense.
I think she's won right now. If I had to
say right now that I wish he was back on
the team so enjoyed the show, you'll have a good one.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Thank Yeah, I think there's no doubt I agree with
him on that if you could bring one player back,
it would be a MARII Williams.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mari was my first thought as well. But like you know,
if Andrew Carr was on this team, I think it'd
be a more cohesive unit. I mean, he just brought
a fire and a love of Kentucky basketball. You know,
these guys were saying in the postgame press conference, you're
gonna have to pry the jersey off of me, right.
I just don't have that sense with this team. This year,
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and you know each team's gonna be a little different.
But in a transfer portal era, your job is to
get these guys to be cohesive. And right now Mark
Pope hasn't done that. Let's take one more call before
we take a break, Shaan, we'll be quick with this one.
Who's next?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
All right, Brandon, what's up?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I'll tell you what. I don't know what we've seen
last two big games, but this Mickey mau show. I mean,
we got players foting before the Loisll game and Michigan
State game. I mean, yeah, that's definitely represent the state
of Kentucky. I mean, I can't understand me. I'm freaking
YMCA team can beat Michigan State. I can't understand. What
(34:03):
if Marpo Marpo's got a girls set of balls, just
make them the whole team run each section rep arena.
But y'all watched water Boy, Yeah, of course watch that?
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
What yo?
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Y'all watch that scene where Towny says, oh, no, we
suck again. Yeah, I don't know, we suck again. Well
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Boys, Well they sucked the last night.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I'm not willing to say that some of people, some
of these listeners are acting like the season's over.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We played five games.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, yeah, the two games that have been like
the tough games.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
They haven't played well at all.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
But again, it's a long season. It's not like football
season where you've got, you know, one game a week.
You got a you got a lot of room to
improve and a lot of time to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
But they're gonna have to show some more fight, like
they There's got to be a little bit more want
to and some effort in these things. That's disappointing. Like,
if these guys are playing for each other and playing hard,
it's one thing to lose. But like when you see
disc and tentmen and some of the stuff we've seen
in the post game, it's just it can be extremely discouraging. Well,
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edition of the KSR pre Show. Welcome back our final
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segment of Billy and the Dude. The KSR pre Show.
Our KSR picks got retweeted by Freezing Cold Takes last night. Shannon, Well, look,
hot takes are overrated. Sometimes you need a cold take.
You know, It's like cold pizza. Sometimes cold pizza is good. Oh,
cold pizza, Yeah, that is good. Don't even to heat
anything up. Maybe a little breakfast slice, little cold pizza.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, I guess no, we were wrong, but you know what, Look,
being a sports commentator is a lot like being a
weather man. You get paid to be wrong. Sometimes weather
men get it wrong all the time. Sometimes we get
it wrong. Clearly, we were going to make a pick exactly.
You can't just go oh, I don't know, you got
you gotta pick something. Sometimes you're wrong. We were wrong
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thinking that Kentucky would beat Michigan State last night.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Clearly we were we were And where does this team
go from here eight five nine two eight oh two
two eight seven. We got some people that have been
patiently waiting, so let's get to as many as we
can before the show's over here.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
All right, let's go to Lance.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Hey Lance, Uh, well, Bill, you said, where are the
season's going? Right now, I'm looking down the barrel of
Saint John's Indiana and North Carolina, and I realized Kentucky
can't beat any of those teams.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Don't forget about Gonzaga.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
We oh oh yeah, Gonzagas. So by the time we
get to the SEC Mark Pope is going to be
sixteen and seventeen against our four teams. So we're gonna
have a losing record against the top four leagues. So
at this point, Jalen Lowe, you're hurt. Okay, bye, give
us the NL money back because you don't deserve it.
This isn't welfare, you're working for it. Give us the
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money back, use the money for a buyout, get rid
of Pope, because right now we're sitting on the edge
of Kenny Payne two point zero. Because this is no
I mean, in this day and age. If we sit
around and wait, we're.
Speaker 11 (38:19):
Just Lance worse.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Lance Look, they're three and two, all right. You can't
even compare Mark Pope to Kenny Payne. Kenny Payn won
eight games in what two years? Yeah, there's no comparison here.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Well, no, I understand that, but Kentucky always does stuff
a little better than Louisville does. So our Kenny Payne
is going to be about a five hundred coach. We're
not Louisville. We're not that low. But our Kenny Payne
is still going to do it better than Louisvill's Kenny
Payne did. But we're sitting around here acting like it's
okay and Pope system. He's proving it's not gonna work
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against power for teams like these small leagues. He's great
in the SEC. It's going to be embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, you know, let's hope this is a freezing cold take.
Thank you for the call, Lance.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Thank you. No, I do appreciate the call. But you know,
I think there is some credence too. Did he get
enough shooters this year? Mark Pope's offense is better when
you have that outside shooting threat and a big that
can pass the ball. But I mean, buy out talk
is way too premature. You got a guy made a
sweet sixteen last year. You do have to give him
a chance to coach and to get this team to
responds two games.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I love the overreaction to this fan base. It's so absurd.
It truly is.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, it is those out.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
There's some problems to fix, but my gosh, we got
a long way to go before we were even realistically
having those conversations.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Jason, Hey, Jason, Hey, Jason, Hey.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
Guys, it's kind of wild this morning to listen to this.
You think Billy Gillestie was back on our sidelines, but
I mean, Oway needs a Kobe Brea. We don't have
one right now. The cut lanes are not there for him.
Until that materializes, always going to struggle. Garrison is not
a Mary Williams at the top of the key running
this offense that doesn't appear to be working. So we
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need to see what Jaden will bring to the table
and see how Marino can develop from a physicality standpoint.
But another thing, I mean, Cali Perry spent the last
fifteen years screaming at every single play on the sidelines,
and now we're ridiculing a guy that's six foot ten
in his mid forties who stands fairly feel on the
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sidelines and doesn't show emotion. Look at guys just from
a physical standpoint, Look at guys his size. Do they
jump and scream and run up and down on the side.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
They're not going to do that.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
So, I mean, we've got to understand what we've got
as a coach. He's a very intellectual guy. His system
can work with the right personnel. I don't know that
we've got it, and sometimes you don't know until the
mix comes together. But it's like, you know, everybody's upset
the way Califery coach, and now we want him to
coach like Califerry. He's physically not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Body can't do Jason. We gotta let you go, man,
We're up to go.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Thanks for the cologize.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I mean, yeah, he doesn't have to scream and shout,
but he does look like a deer in the headlights
right now, and maybe that's just not what the fan
base wants to see.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
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Welcome everyone to another edition of the KSR pre Show.
Today is Wednesday, November nineteenth. I am Billy Rutlers along
with Shannon the Dude. You can give a call on
the Clark's Pumping Shot phone line. That's eight five nine
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And as always, the KSR pre Show is brought to
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you by Italics Fine Italian Dining in Lexington, Kentucky at
the City Center on Main Street. We'll take some calls
today so we'll have open lines like we always do
here on the pre Show. What a win for the
cats as the UK women's basketball team beats Produced seventy
six to thirty five last night, Shannon, that's it's worth celebrating,
isn't it? Good morning?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, that's what we're going to talk about today, the
women's basketball team, because the men certainly didn't show up
for their game.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah. You mentioned we're gonna be taking some phone calls.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Do you think we'll have any strong takes, any strong
opinions from callers today after that game last night.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm talking about the men's game.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, probably for both games Shannon. I mean when when
you hold perdue to only nine points in the second half,
I mean, that's cause for celebration. So if you'd like
to call today eight five nine two eight h two
two eight seven, or if you have some takes about
the Kentucky men's team losing to Michigan State eighty three
to sixty six at Madison Square Garden, we'll take some
of those calls too, Shannon. It's kind of a gloomy
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day here in Lexington. There's a fog that's sinning, and
it kind of feel like matches maybe with a lot
of BBN feels this morning. How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm all right.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I'm wide awake. I woke up at four o'clock this morning.
I couldn't go back to sleep, so I decided, you
know what I'll do. I'll do some show. I'll do
some show prep. I'm going to go back and watch
the highlights or the low lights of the Kentucky Michigan
State last game last night, just to make sure I
didn't miss anything. And it was just as brutal going
back and watching the highlights as it was watching the
game in real time. I mean, where do you want
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to start? I mean Kentucky was I don't know, do
you call that a blowout? Like where what point total
would you call it blowout? Is it twenty? Because it
felt like Kentucky really got blown out last night. They
only had beat by what's seventeen, but if felt like
a blowout.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Got up to twenty four at one point. They competed
for about seven minutes, but then it felt like the
game was in hand for Michigan State. Kentucky battled back
to ten at one point, but Michigan State called a timeout, regrouped,
looked much better coming out of that timeout. And I
don't know, man, Kentucky never had a chance. And that
may come from the top down. We'll get into all
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of it today. But Kentucky shoots thirty five percent from
the field, twenty three percent from three, They're out rebounded
forty two to twenty eight, and they allow a Michigan
State team who had hit only thirteen threes on the
season shooting twenty two percent through three games thirteen of
sixty to go eleven of twenty two. Not to mention,
what did they have like five in the first six
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minutes of the game. Shannon like there was a lack
of perimeter defense. I think that's an understatement, but Shannon,
this is shocking. I mean, this is this is the
second game against a good team in the regular season
that Kentucky he has not been up for the challenge
and a disappointing result last night. As you know, that's
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now the second game that they've gotten blown out of
Madison Square Garden under Mark Pope. Ohio State didn't go
well last year. Kentucky, after winning a lot of games
versus ranked opponents early on in Mark Pope's tenure, is
now what three of their last three and eight in
their last eleven games versus the AP top twenty five.
Not a good look for Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Now, Kentucky got out everything out last night. Out physical, old,
out played, out coached, you name it. Michigan State going
back to the physicality thing that we talked about on
the show yesterday, just I mean had their way with Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And Kentucky has got to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
They got to get tougher, especially in the paint, or
it's going to be a long season when you get
into the sec defensive breakdowns, giving up layups, lob passes
for dunks, wide open threes, always gave up a runout
oop and then on another play just got completely faked
out of his shoes gave open a wide open three.
And then my other takeaway is that Marino needs to
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be playing more minutes than Garrison. Both of them last
night got twenty minutes. Marino at least gives you something offensively,
Brandon Garrison basically gives you nothing out there on the floor.
So I think that Pope has got to seriously take
a look at how many minutes he's allowing Garrison to play,
because he's becoming a liability out there.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Billy.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And now this is two games and you're really your
first two tests of the year. They failed completely, And
it's concerning a little bit. I know Kentucky's battling injuries,
but you know what, other teams that they're playing are
going to be dealing with.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The same issue.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But man, you still got like I said earlier or
yesterday on the show, you still got three top twenty
five opponents left on that non conference schedule. You don't
want to be going into conference to play with five losses
already when we talked about maybe six for the entire season.
So there's definitely some concern I think reason for concern
for this Kentucky basketball team.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, you're right about Brandon Garrison. There's a clip going
around of him not being able to get that rebound,
which is brutal and just really standing around. I mean,
there are maturity issues with this team. There are chemistry
issues with this team. The ESPN report mid game that
players were barking at each other in the huddle and
Mark stop. Mark Pope had to step in to kind
of separate some guys and get them to focus on
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the game.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They were at each other. Really, they're barking, barking, was
the report. So not talking trash to each other, just going.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, but like probably angry wolves, you know, because is.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That Is that how kids talk to each other?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They just bark at each other?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Ah, I mean more or less? Yes, Okay, but look,
this is the sophomore season of Mark Pope, and after
a feel good nostalgia tour last year with guys that
played for the name on the back of their jersey
and not the one on the front, it feels like
it's completely flipped. And if the main storyline of the
game was just how bad Kentucky played in the game,
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the secondary storyline has to be Mark Pope after the game, Shannon,
because he did not look like a leader that resonated
any confidence. I posted the show thread this morning of
the gift of him walking in the tunnel before the
game started, and Shan, I mean, it looked like a
dead man walking. It looked like a guy that knew
that his team was not going to be able to compete.
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And after this strange week that we've had with Kentucky basketball,
with whatever happened in the U offl pregame to the
Taylor swift, I'll leave some breadcrumb so the media will
keep trying to figure things out. To waiting fifty minutes
before he came out of the locker room to address
the media, Shannon, it just looks like a broken man
that doesn't know the solution to the problem. And so
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when we take some phone calls today, I'm curious to
hear about the pulse of the fan base. Is it
time to panic or not. It's just tough to see
this getting better when you look at the leaders be
so distraught. Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean it is. Again, let's put it all in
two perspective here.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's five games into the season, so I'm trying not
to overreact, but you're right out. One thing, something hasn't
been right with Mark Pope since that Louisville game, and
it kind of feels like Louisville temporarily broke Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It does. Say what you want.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
About it, but it feels something has just been off
about Mark Pope since that game, with the press conferences
that he's done, with the the interview that he did
with Tom Leach last night.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I listened to that. That was just awkward.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I mean, Pope was giving one word answers to Tom
Leach and you know, poor Tom, he's doing his best here.
He's got you know, two or three minutes that he's
got to fill, you know, of air Tom, and Mark
Pope wasn't doing him any favors when he was just
giving him like nope, and he's like, well, what did
you say to the guys? We said a lot of
things to a lot of things. We said a lot
of things, and he basically just didn't have any answer
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for the questions that Tom had, which were all legitimate questions.
After the game. Mark Pope just I don't know, he's internalizing.
It feels like, and that can't be helped for the
rest of the team. You know, as the coach, you're
you're the leader. You have to stay positive in these situations.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
And it's just to defend Pope a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I will say this, how many times did we hear
fans last year going and all the years with Cali
Perry going.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I wish Cali Perry would just act like he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
We just want to see that our coach is hurt
after a loss, and we see that from Mark Pope.
But I feel like we see that in the extreme
from Mark Pope, where Cali Perry would just brush it
off and go, well, at least I get to go
home and hang out with my dogs and watch a
little house in the prairie. Mark Pope is like on
the opposite side of that, almost too much.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
So I will defend them a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You can definitely tell that these losses hurt, but something
has definitely been off with.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The vibe since that loisvill game.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The vibes are off. Yeah, there's a great way to
put it. And if Mark Pope's strength was understanding the
fan base in his first season about you know, the
checklist of things that Kentucky fans wanted, you know, understanding
the assignment. You know, I just read the room a
little bit. You got to be able to face the
music and talk to the media about what's going on.
Here are some of the other quotes that we heard
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from Mark Pope after the game yesterday. We're not in
this for each other right now. My message is not
resonating with the guys right now. He also went on
to say the key to success is relying on this
team and on each other, and just they're just not
doing that right now, Shane, and it's you know, they're
completely discombobulated, and then ended his press conference with we
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will not fail this season.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, And I saw the video clip of that, and
I also saw was it Mario that posted the video
that look like as some people interpreted otega Oway's facial
expressions of maybe him rolling his eyes. As Mark Pope
said that I'm gonna defend Oway on this, I don't
think that he was making any sort of body language
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reaction that was negative. And now I think a lot
of people have seen that and really just blown it
out of proportion. To me, it just looked like he
was looking up in the air.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You know, I agree. I think I think we're dissecting
everything too last night. I think that may be a
little bit of an extreme. You're not going to be
thrilled in that postgame press conference after a loss like that,
but I mean there's reasonable questions about it take away
this year. I mean there are reasonable questions that Mark
Pope answered last night, and while he was brief, this
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is not going to go away. And unfortunately, we're not
going to be able to learn much more about this
team until I guess maybe later in December, Shannon. A
couple stinky games coming up, and you know, you've played
two games or really, I guess you could say four
against good Power four teams and maybe you peaked in
that first exhibition game, Shannon, But Georgetown, Louisville and now
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Michigan State. It's just been disappointing and embarrassing. A lack
of effort, which is just really surprising after everything that
we saw in that first season, like the Amari Williams,
the Kobe Braas. These guys with a chip on their
shoulder came to Kentucky with this like we're gonna do this,
So we're going to do this together and right Now,
this is not a team that's together. I mean, as
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you know, as we talk, not in the locker room.
I think everybody can see that this team has some
discontent for each other, and that's normal in sports. But
now it's up to Mark Pope to fix that, right right, yep,
It's up to him to find the solution. That's why
you're paid these millions of dollars. And that's why that
twenty two million dollar figure gets brought up by probably
multiple callers later today, Shannon, that's just that is the
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perception of Kentucky basketball in twenty twenty five. When other
college basketball coaches are asked about Kentucky, that figure will
get brought up, and for better or for worse, when
you pay players that kind of money, maybe some discontentment
can come up. But Shannon, there's a lot of things
we can talk about about this game. Will continue to
break it down as the day goes on. But I
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did want to mention the women. Man, they were great.
They That was why I led off the show with
the women. Seventy six to thirty five versions perdue when
you only allow nine points in the second half, this
team is defensively special. I just feel bad for everybody
that watched the men's game on the jumbo tron inside
Memorial Coliseum, because they should, I guess, been focusing on
the win they had.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I can't imagine like being there at the women's game
for those of you who went, because you're watching the
women's team absolutely dominate Perdue. Then you look up on
the jumbo tron and you're watching Kentucky just get destroyed
by Michigan State.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So do you leave that game filling?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
You turn it off halfway fulfilled and halfway not, you know,
because part yeah exactly. Somebody, somebody there at the Memorial
Coliseum was like, hey, can we get the remote and
put on a different game up THEREWN.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Twenty four is like, can we like channel surf a
little bit? See what else is on? We got the
media box here, We got all the channels. But A
five nine two, A two two eight seven, give us
a call. Five oh two two six five six six
five six is the text line if you'd like to
join us there, modiabatae should never shoot a three again. Shit,
I'm like, let's just make.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
That a rule. Yeah, I'd be all right with that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I mean a four from three, Like what are we
doing here shooting that much?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Again? Those are those are bad shots.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And you know it's okay to get thirty three point
shots up as long as the right guys are shooting them.
But Modia Batti is not the guy that you want.
You got a lot of shooters on that team. He's
just not one of them. So why is he taking
that shot?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Why is he taking that many shots so early on?
It's driving me crazy there. You know, somebody on the
text line late last night did ask a fair question, Shannon.
I mean the Annabel Doll did come to rupp Aerna
before the season. I mean, this is this is getting
a little eerie. But you know, I guess we're at
the finger pointing stage right now, are we not? Like
we've got to try to find out what's wrong? Why
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is it going wrong? But I think there's a lot
of valid criticism coming from what's been happening last night.
It was an eventful postgame show. A lot of angry
callers last night. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure they can imagine,
right yep. And we got lines loaded today, so I
can't wait to hear what everybody's going to say on
the pre show this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
But yeah, it do just an ugly game last night.
That's the best way I can put it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Just.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
The good thing is, though it's a long season and
we're only five games in, let's just hope that this
is not Let's hope this is an outlier and not
the trend of how the season is going to go
without Jalen Low, which, by the way, we still don't
really know anything about that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Another mystery right now.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The word we've heard about his future is foggy, which
means we don't know anything about his future.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
We don't know anything more today than we do two
days ago.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I mean, do you look at the team right
now and say, I got to hustle back. I just
I don't know. I don't know the way that the
kid thinks. Hopefully it's not that selfishly. But this team
has got to find their identity. They've got to figure
out what makes them tick and what they can fall
back on when going when they get punched in the
mouse Shannon how this just seems to be a reoccurring theme.
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But we want to hear from you again. Eight five
nine two eight zero two two eight seven. We'll take
a break and be right back here. On the KSR
appreciate Welcome Back, Billy and the Dude here on a
Wednesday recapping the Kentucky Michigan State Champions Classic game. It
was the first game of the night and glad we
got that out of the way because it was great.
It was gross and not only would did Mark Pope
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look sad in the tunnel before the game. I don't
know if you saw the Goodman interview that he did afterwards,
and you're sad in that, Yeah, you know, Goodman's like,
this is the saddest I've ever seen you, which is
you know, Jeff, somebody that knows the guy pretty well.
So that was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
That was a two minute interview, and I don't think
Mark Pope looked up from the ground once.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He just staring straight at the ground. The entire interview, and.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Tom Leech's interview was only three minutes and some change too.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I mean Tom was prying, trying to get anything
out of him, and Mark Pope had nothing to say.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, and in the past I would kill Cal for
something like that. There were times he would just walk
away from Tom after a loss on the road. So
I think I need to be critical and Mark Pope here.
I mean, you get paid a lot of money to
give these answers, But there is I guess, like a
sense of this is his alma mater. He knows what
it means to be a Kentucky Wildcat. I guess he
gets the fan base, so he takes it internally so hard.
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But you can't do that as a leader of men.
You've got to exude confidence. You've got to get those
guys back on the rebound. But Shannon, I guess if
you want to bet on a Kentucky game in the future,
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Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right Well, well, yeah, and I will say they were
way off on the five and a half points for
Kentucky last night on the spread, but they made up
for it on that Kansas Duke game.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That was a twelve point game which Duke won, and.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
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Speaker 1 (17:06):
Tyler Thompson, Drew Franklin, Jack Pilgrim. Those guys on the
website do a great job recapping the game. There was
plenty of it last night, But a stat that I
read in one of their stories was there were thirty
six different five man combinations used against u of L
in Michigan State, with just one of those combinations his
starters playing more than six minutes on the floor together.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think that goes back to what he was talking
about with trying to find their identity, trying to find
out which rotation is going to be the go to
rotation for the season and still early in the year,
like I said, so that's you know, you're still trying
to figure these things out. You just hope that we
would have it maybe maybe more of a clue of
who the players are going to be in the rotation
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instead of having to go through thirty six different versions
of that to get to the answer.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And that's a problem that you have with depth when
you're going to try to play ten eleven guys like that,
When you only have six or seven, these roles are
much more defined, and it'll be curious to see how
many guys continue to play that many minutes. But we
will see. I want to get to the phones eight
five nine, two two eight seven. Let's get it started
shitting who we got it first?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Ye's go to John.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Good morning John, Hey guys, how's it going. Thanks for
taking my call. I want to let you know, I
think I know it exactly what's wrong with this team
and what's problem is all right, you've got to coach. Well, uh,
the animals is running the zoo because you have a
coach that's not shown any discipline. He's if you got
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Bobby Knight on one end of the spectrum of being
too hard. Mark Popes on the other end, he's not
near hard enough. Anybody that's watched a couple of Kentucky
games knows that Moda Batte should never take a three
point shot. He should be setting the screens, should be
playing hard nosed defense and maybe heading to lay up
every now and then. And everybody knows that, oh way,
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what he should be doing, and he's not doing it.
Hope is not setting and defining these roles because he's
trying to be everybody's friend. He's letting he's being too
easy on these guys. These kids will run a muck
if you let them, and he's letting them. I'm sorry.
I like him, that's my opinion, but I think he's
too soft. And it's like, if you go into a
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manager's role or something, you can always go in a
little too hard and ease off a little bit. It's
impossible to do it the other way around. I think
you come in too easy. It's it's a lot harder
to get hard and tough all of a sudden. And
I'll hang up and listen to you guys. Thanks for
taking my call.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, John, all right, Thank you, John, So he
talked about discipline there, and something that a point of
emphasis that Mark Pope has talked about over the last
week or so is the first three steps in Kentucky
guys running back on defense. You know, the starters were
in the game late in that game versus Eastern Illinois,
and you know they're making sure that these guys their
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first three step are sprinting back shin. And when you
have to emphasize the effort things, then you know maybe
there is a discipline thing at hand.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
What do you think, Well, I mean, Mark Pope does
seem like a nice guy, overly nice guy. But then
again we hear these stories of how last year he
bloodied up his hand because he broke a whiteboard and
chairs and tables in the locker room at halftime. So
you know, you and I and I would venture to
say most of these callers have never been in a practice,
So we don't know how tough Mark Pope is on
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these guys behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I mean, we just know what we see on TV.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He's not screaming like Cali Perry was go at the
top of his lungs, and you know, up in these guys' faces,
maybe he has a different in game coaching style. But
I can't say that Mark Pope is too soft because again,
we don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I
don't know how his relationship is with these guys.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
But I will say though.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Again, something is definitely off with the entire aura of
this team, and it has been now for the past
week or so.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Man, can you imagine being in that post game locker room.
I mean, he didn't come out for fifty minutes. I'm
sure it wasn't because of the pleasant.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm sure he wasn't shaking their hands and telling them
they played a great job. It was probably a lot
of you know, probably a lot of screaming. If I
had to guess, I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
We have time for another call or do we need
to take a break? Got about a minute here, Okay,
let's go to one quick. All right, let's go to Corey. Hey, Corey, Hey, Corey,
what's up?
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (21:24):
What's going on? Who would have thought back in September,
Eskentucky fans when we were saying, man, I can't wait
for the basketball season, not even only the December yet,
and we're already, like, man, is this Saturday yet?
Speaker 6 (21:35):
But I'm not going to take two mints.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Away from this Losch Now, I look back to twenty fourteen,
we had some blunders and then we ended up in
the national championship game. I'm going to focus on Kenny
Griffs and the girls. They're doing amazing. I'm gonna focus
on the volleyball team, they're doing great, cutter bowley, and
as the football team rolling Eskentucky fans, we have a
lot to be happy about. It's too early in the
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basketball season to beat hild Up on that. Let's look
at everything that we got to go on.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Think.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Okay, good call, Corey, thank you. That's a glass half
full kind of call that we needed going into this heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
We thought we'd be talking about football stright for a
football season.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
We'll be right back, welcome back. That's right. The content
of your character is how you act when nobody's watching, right, Shannon.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Well, I mean it just goes back to the caller
saying that, you know, Mark Pope's too soft.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I mean maybe he is, but maybe he's not. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's like people that listen to this show and they
they write me. Sometimes they go, you're a jerk, Shannon,
Shannon's a jerk, or they write, Matt, you know, Matt,
you're an ass. Well maybe, but you know what, you
only hear us for like a couple of hours on
the radio. That's what you know about us. You're not
with us the other twenty two hours of the day.
And I feel like that's us With Mark Pope. We
see him for a couple of hours in a basketball
game and assume that because he's not screaming in these
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guys face, that he's being too soft on him. But
we don't know what he's doing the other twenty two
hours with his life, and when he's at practice, we don't.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
See all that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean, just because Beta Billy can't give blood
one day, and it doesn't mean that I'm not pumping
iron at the gym a little later. You know, like
you just don't know. It'll make those assumptions. The caller
is right though, And I brought this up on the
post game show last night, the perception switch of Kentucky
football and men's basketball just in the past three week.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Shan, it's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I mean, Stoops is out of a job at that point.
I mean, he's already been written off and Kentucky just
beat the number one team in the country in an
exhibition game.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
M hm killed him.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So and now we find ourselves with Mark Pope struggling
for answers and Mark stoops on the verge of being
bull bound again. So it's just I think that's why
we love sports. It's the greatest reality show. But at
the same time, sports can drive us to crazy lengths,
and that's why we have people and the lines loaded
right now to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
How many more losses for Mark Pope before we're talking
about his buyout? I mean, that's the span base, man,
It just is we care and that's what makes this
the greatest fan base.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, but it's escalated, man, I mean we were talking
about is the honeymoon over recently? Well, it's it's long
gone now, and now this team will have to respond
a five nine two two two eight seven. Who's up next?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Due, Let's go to Dylan. He did, Dylan?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (24:21):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (24:21):
So I've I've watched Kentucky basketball for my entire life
now and after last night, it just makes me so
mad and frustrates me so much when the camera pans
over to Mark Pope standing on the sidelines with an
orange cross and that just blank stare. He looks like
a guy that literally like, he looks like a guy
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that's got too important at work. That's what he looks like.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And I'm just like, it just.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
Gets on my nerves. And then Otago Ohae don't want
Kie'll have heard it. But Otago Oway making the comments last
night after end the post game that he was lacking
on getting effort, that just summarizes the entire game last
night as a whole. So I'm gonna get off here
and I hope you'll have a good day and I
want shut up and listen to talk.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Thanks for the call, Dylant. I appreciate your listening.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean, that's one thing.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
There is no excuse for a lack of effort. You know,
effort takes no talent whatsoever. You don't have to be
talented at all to try hard, and that you know
that's there is no excuse for a lack of effort.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And but Olway seemingly aware that he's not giving one
hundred percent effort and at the caller's right about the
quote that he gave at the end of the game.
But body language is important. I mean, especially when you're
that leader and people are looking up to you about
the answers that you give. There's also philosophy and golf
shin and that you're supposed to look to the sunset,
So like, if you're playing, you shouldn't look at the ground.
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You shouldn't keep your head down, you shouldn't be upset
about the last shot that you had. You need to
look forward. You need to keep your head up. And
if you physically just look forward more in a round
of golf, I think statistically it is actually better for
you and you will play better just because of your mentality.
And Mark Pope is looking at the ground coming out
of that tunnel yesterday, well, and I think you could
feel it out of them, and I think this team
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can is you know, a product of their coach. If
cow made the guys too nervous to play in the
first rounds of the NCAA tournament because nothing mattered from
about March, then Mark Pope, being discombobulated and bewildered about
how to fix this team is not going to do
anything but trickle down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
To the players. Got it.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Look forward Okay, believe it or not, I'm such a
bad golfer. I've had to look backwards before. I've hit
a ball backwards. I think you've seen it before.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did not do that?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
He did went to the we were at like a
simulator at a golf court.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
How is this physically possible backwards?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
It turns out my left.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Got it on film here too. I had to look
that back up here in the break.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I wasn't looking into the horizon like you said. That
was my problem.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Keep your chin up, you need to see.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm told in rustling to keep your chin down.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You got to tuck your chin out, you're telling me
in golf, I gotta keep the chin up. I don't
know which way the chin's supposed to go. That's the problem.
That's why I'm a bad golfer. Let's get Richard done.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Hey, Richard, what's up?
Speaker 10 (26:51):
Well, I'm straight down. It was last night I was
watching that mass. I no cohesiveness in the team.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
To me.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
I think it all falls on the guard plate. I
think we got four guys shooting the ball doing all
the shooting from outside, and two of them don't need
to be shooting from three point land. They're not getting
the ball to our shooters. There's too much individualism personally.
I think there may be a little jealousy. I don't
(27:25):
know what's going on, but there's something really got this
team Lyle stuff. Wells, I'll get off from here. Y'all
have a nice day. God bless and I'll listen to
what you gotta say. Take care.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, thank you, Richard. I can't put it all on
the guard play. I mean we've mentioned Brandon, Garrison and
Modavatte already tonight. Maybe you need to play mo at
the five a little bit more. Maybe Malchai Moreno is
your answer until Jading Quaintins gets back. But you know
you're gonna have to see some effort from these guys
and some continuity too. I mean, when the second unit
(27:57):
comes in, when he makes those masks sub Shannon, you
see a huge off. And then when the starters come
back in, they just weren't able to find their way
again either. So you know, I don't know this mystery
was Jalen Low. Do you think it's impacting like the
chemistry and just kind of routine of.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
These I think it definitely is, But you know, it's
a situation that it looks like there's a good chance
we're just gonna have to deal with it for the
rest of the year, especially if Jalen low doesn't come
back from this injury.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I hope that he can.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I'm not saying he's going to be the saving grace
because even with Jalen Lowe last night, you don't win
that game unless you think that he's gonna put up
eighteen points or you know, do some miraculous you give
a bunch of assists to where these guys are going
to score a bunch more points to where you're gonna
win the game. I don't think Jalen low would would
have saved Kentucky last night.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, I agree. I mean that was somebody that is
not as good defensively. So with Aberdeen in, you think
you could play a little bit better, but then you
allowed the team that shoots twenty two percent from three
to hit eleven of twenty two last night. Let's take
another call. Who's up next?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Kickleball? Paul?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Hey, Paul, what's going on? Gas too much to say?
I just think that they you know that they can
get better offensively, they can get better defensively. But it
goes back to what Billy wanted to argue with me yesterday.
I think Billy's going back to the JV team. You
can get better with different things, but you're not going
(29:20):
to get stronger. But come down March a perfect example
Malachai ma Reno going to the rim last night. Jalen
quaintness probably would have broke that boy's arm. The blocked it,
yet Malachi wasn't strong enough to finish. Look at our
body types. Trenton Noa looks like a fifteen year old
kid out there, and I keep hearing about how much
bigger and stronger he is. Until this team starts getting
(29:41):
some physicality aout him, it's going to be a long year.
And I'll get off here and listen to what you
got to say.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Thanks to call Paul.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I think you know again, we've been talking about it.
I felt like a lot the last couple of days
that the lack of physicality came back to get him again.
And these teams are just going to play so rough
and so physical, and if you're not prepared for that,
you're going to get run over.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You just are.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I feel like that's gonna happen a lot in the
sec That's the way these teams play.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you is,
how do you think they faire an SEC play if
they're struggling with physicality right now? But well, you know, look,
we've talked about there's a lot of season left to play.
I mean, can Mark Pope get more out of these guys, Sure,
But CBS Sports last night called Kentucky the most disappointing
team in college basketball for the first two and a
half weeks of the season, and with their expectations. I
(30:28):
don't think that's unfair.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
No, I mean, we were talking about number nine winning
a national title after beating Purdue, beating our chess. Then
you turn around, you lose to Georgetown, you lose to Louisville,
could have gotten blown out at Louisville and pretty much
got blown out last night.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You trailed by twenty in both your two games in
the regular season versus Power four teams YEP, trailed by
twenty twenty four in the last game versus Michigan State.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if the last two minutes
doesn't go Kentucky's way, you could have easily lost that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Game last night about thirty.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yes, that's unacceptable. Embarrassing on the national stage. And Mark
Pope in these big games has not been good. He
is not after those first five that he looked so
magnificent in so Kentucky's gonna have to respond. There's there's
no doubt about it. Who's next year?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Todd?
Speaker 11 (31:17):
Hey, Tod, Hey, good morning, gentlemen. A couple of things here.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
We're losing you, Todd Todd.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Are you still there?
Speaker 10 (31:26):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (31:27):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Hello, Yeah, we got you. Go ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:31):
So, Billy, I want to know if you've signed a
deal with Logans of Lexington for your fashion ensembos for
the future road trips.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Not yet, but you know, maybe dressing up a little
bit maybe become my thing here?
Speaker 11 (31:46):
Hey, more propsy. I think I think you did it.
You did yourself a service that you looked good. Second
of all, just seven point five million dollars spit in
a suitcase of that size?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Uh yeah, probably? I mean a lot of room in
that suitcase? Is that what Mark post bayot is?
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
What this is?
Speaker 4 (32:05):
No?
Speaker 11 (32:05):
No, man, When I saw that online, I thought, could
that be the same suitcase that was in storage? Wars?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
So oh yeah, yeah for the story on Friday, I'm
following you.
Speaker 11 (32:15):
Yeah, And then my next question is I guess for
me is what player do we are we going to
say we missed the most from last year's team. I'm
going to say Amari Williams, just because he was able
to pass the ball well, he was still able to
get in there and be defensive at times. I mean
(32:35):
he had moments of offensive production. But for me, I think,
you know, a big guy bringing the ball up the court,
taking some of the movement away from from the defense.
I think she's won right now. If I had to
say right now that I wish he was back on
the team so enjoyed the show, you'll have a good one.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Thank Yeah, I think there's no doubt I agree with
him on that if you could bring one player back,
it would be a MARII Williams.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mari was my first thought as well. But like you know,
if Andrew Carr was on this team, I think it'd
be a more cohesive unit. I mean, he just brought
a fire and a love of Kentucky basketball. You know,
these guys were saying in the postgame press conference, you're
gonna have to pry the jersey off of me, right.
I just don't have that sense with this team. This year,
(33:21):
and you know each team's gonna be a little different.
But in a transfer portal era, your job is to
get these guys to be cohesive. And right now Mark
Pope hasn't done that. Let's take one more call before
we take a break, Shaan, we'll be quick with this one.
Who's next?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
All right, Brandon, what's up?
Speaker 8 (33:38):
I'll tell you what. I don't know what we've seen
last two big games, but this Mickey mau show. I mean,
we got players foting before the Loisll game and Michigan
State game. I mean, yeah, that's definitely represent the state
of Kentucky. I mean, I can't understand me. I'm freaking
YMCA team can beat Michigan State. I can't understand. What
(34:03):
if Marpo Marpo's got a girls set of balls, just
make them the whole team run each section rep arena.
But y'all watched water Boy, Yeah, of course watch that?
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
What yo?
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Y'all watch that scene where Towny says, oh, no, we
suck again. Yeah, I don't know, we suck again. Well
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Boys, Well they sucked the last night.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I'm not willing to say that some of people, some
of these listeners are acting like the season's over.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We played five games.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, yeah, the two games that have been like
the tough games.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
They haven't played well at all.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
But again, it's a long season. It's not like football
season where you've got, you know, one game a week.
You got a you got a lot of room to
improve and a lot of time to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
But they're gonna have to show some more fight, like
they There's got to be a little bit more want
to and some effort in these things. That's disappointing. Like,
if these guys are playing for each other and playing hard,
it's one thing to lose. But like when you see
disc and tentmen and some of the stuff we've seen
in the post game, it's just it can be extremely discouraging. Well,
if you're a head coach of a basketball or football team,
(35:09):
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(35:30):
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take a break and be right back on this Wednesday
edition of the KSR pre Show. Welcome back our final
(36:36):
segment of Billy and the Dude. The KSR pre Show.
Our KSR picks got retweeted by Freezing Cold Takes last night. Shannon, Well, look,
hot takes are overrated. Sometimes you need a cold take.
You know, It's like cold pizza. Sometimes cold pizza is good. Oh,
cold pizza, Yeah, that is good. Don't even to heat
anything up. Maybe a little breakfast slice, little cold pizza.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah, I guess no, we were wrong, but you know what, Look,
being a sports commentator is a lot like being a
weather man. You get paid to be wrong. Sometimes weather
men get it wrong all the time. Sometimes we get
it wrong. Clearly, we were going to make a pick exactly.
You can't just go oh, I don't know, you got
you gotta pick something. Sometimes you're wrong. We were wrong
(37:19):
thinking that Kentucky would beat Michigan State last night.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Clearly we were we were And where does this team
go from here eight five nine two eight oh two
two eight seven. We got some people that have been
patiently waiting, so let's get to as many as we
can before the show's over here.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
All right, let's go to Lance.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Hey Lance, Uh, well, Bill, you said, where are the
season's going? Right now, I'm looking down the barrel of
Saint John's Indiana and North Carolina, and I realized Kentucky
can't beat any of those teams.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Don't forget about Gonzaga.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
We oh oh yeah, Gonzagas. So by the time we
get to the SEC Mark Pope is going to be
sixteen and seventeen against our four teams. So we're gonna
have a losing record against the top four leagues. So
at this point, Jalen Lowe, you're hurt. Okay, bye, give
us the NL money back because you don't deserve it.
This isn't welfare, you're working for it. Give us the
(38:08):
money back, use the money for a buyout, get rid
of Pope, because right now we're sitting on the edge
of Kenny Payne two point zero. Because this is no
I mean, in this day and age. If we sit
around and wait, we're.
Speaker 11 (38:19):
Just Lance worse.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Lance Look, they're three and two, all right. You can't
even compare Mark Pope to Kenny Payne. Kenny Payn won
eight games in what two years? Yeah, there's no comparison here.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Well, no, I understand that, but Kentucky always does stuff
a little better than Louisville does. So our Kenny Payne
is going to be about a five hundred coach. We're
not Louisville. We're not that low. But our Kenny Payne
is still going to do it better than Louisvill's Kenny
Payne did. But we're sitting around here acting like it's
okay and Pope system. He's proving it's not gonna work
(38:54):
against power for teams like these small leagues. He's great
in the SEC. It's going to be embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, you know, let's hope this is a freezing cold take.
Thank you for the call, Lance.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Thank you. No, I do appreciate the call. But you know,
I think there is some credence too. Did he get
enough shooters this year? Mark Pope's offense is better when
you have that outside shooting threat and a big that
can pass the ball. But I mean, buy out talk
is way too premature. You got a guy made a
sweet sixteen last year. You do have to give him
a chance to coach and to get this team to
responds two games.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I love the overreaction to this fan base. It's so absurd.
It truly is.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, it is those out.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
There's some problems to fix, but my gosh, we got
a long way to go before we were even realistically
having those conversations.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Jason, Hey, Jason, Hey, Jason, Hey.
Speaker 12 (39:45):
Guys, it's kind of wild this morning to listen to this.
You think Billy Gillestie was back on our sidelines, but
I mean, Oway needs a Kobe Brea. We don't have
one right now. The cut lanes are not there for him.
Until that materializes, always going to struggle. Garrison is not
a Mary Williams at the top of the key running
this offense that doesn't appear to be working. So we
(40:05):
need to see what Jaden will bring to the table
and see how Marino can develop from a physicality standpoint.
But another thing, I mean, Cali Perry spent the last
fifteen years screaming at every single play on the sidelines,
and now we're ridiculing a guy that's six foot ten
in his mid forties who stands fairly feel on the
(40:27):
sidelines and doesn't show emotion. Look at guys just from
a physical standpoint, Look at guys his size. Do they
jump and scream and run up and down on the side.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
They're not going to do that.
Speaker 12 (40:37):
So, I mean, we've got to understand what we've got
as a coach. He's a very intellectual guy. His system
can work with the right personnel. I don't know that
we've got it, and sometimes you don't know until the
mix comes together. But it's like, you know, everybody's upset
the way Califery coach, and now we want him to
coach like Califerry. He's physically not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Body can't do Jason. We gotta let you go, man,
We're up to go.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Thanks for the cologize.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I mean, yeah, he doesn't have to scream and shout,
but he does look like a deer in the headlights
right now, and maybe that's just not what the fan
base wants to see.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
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Speaker 1 (41:15):
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