Episode 109: Hannan

With Vincent Tilford

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Light Up the D, a focus on what's
happening in our community from the people who make it happen.
Here's your host, iHeartMedia Detroit Market President Colleen Grant.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning and welcome to Light of the D. I'm
your host, Colleen Grant, Thanks for joining me today. Our
guest is Vincent Tilford. He's president and CEO of the
Handon Center, a Detroit based nonprofit dedicated to enhancing the
quality of life for older adults in Metro Detroit.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
With over thirty years of leadership in.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Housing, community development, and aging services, he has expanded Hannon's endowment,
implemented a fund development plan, and led major facility renovations
supporting dementia care and the arts. Tilford previously held executive
roles with Habitat for Humanity Detroit, Detroit, LSC, LISK LISK
Thank You, what is LISK?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Local Initiative Support Corporation?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Thank you all right? And the Arkansas Development Finance Authority.
A champion for aging equity, he serves on several boards,
including the American Society on Aging. He holds degrees from
the University of Maryland and the University of Michigan's Raw
School of business, Go Blu, Go Blue, and for more
information on Hannon visit. Please join me and welcoming Vincent Tilford.

(01:19):
Thanks for joining me, Thank you for having me on.
I'm excited to be here me too. So let's start
with the basics. Tell us what that Hannon Center is,
what makes it such an important important part of Detroit's story.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, I'd like to say that I think Hannon is
probably the oldest aging services provider here and certainly in Detroit,
if not in Southeast Michigan. We were started in nineteen
twenty five. And wow, when we were started, social work
was in its infancy then, so to demon talk about

(01:54):
having social workers for older adults was not even heard
of because you know, we weren't living that life back then.
But so we were started, as I said, one hundred
years ago, and I think that we were in the
forefront in the nationwide. So you think about nineteen twenty five,
right before the Great Depression, and there really weren't a

(02:17):
lot of other facilities for older people because again, we
weren't living that long, not like we're talking about today. Right.
The only thing that was around was if you ever
heard of a place called Eloise, Yes, Eloise. Yeah, And
the only thing I knew about Eloise until I was
doing the history on Hannah. The only thing I knew
by Eloise was that it was a horror movie. But
it was based on that place here in Wayne County, right,

(02:40):
But that was the only place for seniors to go,
and that place was overrun. I mean, they had tens
of thousands of people there at Eloise at the time
that Hannon was started. Hannah was started by Lluella Hannon.
She was married to William Hannon. William Hannon was a
big rual estate developer here in Detroit. So if you're
familiar with the past Asidena apartment building and the Madison

(03:03):
Lenox apartment building part of town, Madison Lenox would have
been at Madison A Lenox where that is. Yes, there
there right there, right, But I want to say it
was probably on the east side of town because they
lived in Pasadena. He and his wife lived in Pasadena

(03:24):
and they also had a house on Iroquois, So I
suspect that it was on this side of towns where
it was. But in any case, he was a big
time real estate developer and he started the what eventually
became the national Association for Realtors. Really. Yeah, so this
guy was like big time. He wasn't as quite as
big as say the Autobearns back during that time, but

(03:47):
he was sort of like that. Next year under well,
he died at the ripal age of sixty two, which
back then was pretty good. You think he was born
in the like the middle eighteen hundreds or whatever, so
he definitely outlived his cohort, you know, people born his
birth year. But he died in nineteen seventeen. So again,
thinking about the time, he left his fortune to Luela

(04:10):
Hannon and told her that she can do whatever she
thought would benefit the citizens of Detroit, you know, to
come up with a charity for the benefit of the
citizens of Detroit. Well, his brother, her brother in law,
wasn't happy with it, even though he got money from
this settlement, right, And so to give you the rough

(04:31):
idea of what we're talking about terms of dollars in
today's terms, he received probably about six to seven no, sorry,
twenty to twenty five million dollars, right, and left her
somewhere around one hundred to one hundred twenty five million.
All right, So again this is in today's terms, right,
So he wanted to sue her and challenge the will.

(04:55):
Not only did he sue her, but her blood nephew
joined in, who later on became the president of the
National Realtors Association. But they sued and she won. But
basically they called her incompetent, unfit, that she didn't have
the ability to manage that kind of money. So again,
think of the time frame that we're in. You know, women,

(05:16):
if they were going to open a bank account, they
needed a man to sign on that bank account, right,
you couldn't serve on a jury. So I think that
this experience, because it took a few years for them
to work through this, I think that experience kind of
shaped what she decided to do thereafter, which is she
wanted to help out people like herself who had who

(05:37):
had fallen hard times. Now she hadn't, but she could
have had they taken everything away from her, right, so
she wanted to help out those people that fell on
hard times. A lot of women, you know, you may
have there weren't a lot of pension funds back then,
so when the husband died, you know, that left the
women pretty much destitute. But these are women who were
society women, and they were used to, you know, doing

(06:00):
certain things and giving to certain charities and causes, and
so that's who she wanted to help. A few years
after William Hannon died, actually probably about ten years after
William Hannon died, there was another philanthropist who died. His
name was John Scudder, John Scudder's. He did not leave

(06:21):
as much money as William Hannon did, but John Scudder
was much more. I think if John Scudder was born today,
they would be they would be using the term woke
to describe John Scudder because John Scutter very much was saying,
I want this money to go to older people, but
I don't care what economic class they were in. I

(06:43):
don't care whether they're male or female. I don't care
about race. I want to make certain that older people
don't have to worry about what's going to happen to
them in the future. So that was John Scudder. So
the trustees for the Handon Foundation also was managing the
money for John Scudder, and so for or probably until
about nineteen seventy one, the trustees managed both sort of separately,

(07:04):
but then they finally merged in nineteen seventy one. His wow,
A long time later, Yeah, much long time later, but
even still had the same board essentially doing the same
kind of thing. But what happened was if you were
part of Luela sort of cohort. Now, Luela died in
nineteen twenty eight, so she wasn't around long after her
when he foundation started, but they have pretty much put

(07:27):
in place if we're going to help people who were
accustomed to better times but who have fallen on bad
times now, and so that's who they wanted to help.
If someone was black and they came to Luella Hanna
Foundation from nineteen twenty eight to nineteen thirty one, we
couldn't help them. But when John Scudder came on, then

(07:48):
that's when we were able to help people of color
at that point. So why did his coming along change it?
Because his philosophy was I want anyone, anyone just like
you said. Okay, that was that was it, Okay, that
was what made the difference. So I would say that
today we're probably much closer to John Scutdter than we
are to Lawela. But at the same time, again, I

(08:10):
would say they were both sort of products of their time.
And Luela, I guess I think she saw herself I
could be that person, I could have been destitute had
the court, you know, the court decision gone the other way.
So that's what I think the reason why I think
she did what she did.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So what are some of the things that the Hand
and Center focuses on? How does it serve the community.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So we do it in a variety of different ways.
I mean, I think fundamentally, what we're trying to do
is to help singers to age in place and to
live out their lives with dignity and have a high
quality of life. One of the things we did early
on was we used to be very prescriptive about how
a person had to present it, kind of told you
like they had to be from her economic background, and

(08:56):
they would go in and do sort of these really
kind of evasive millions of interviews with them. I think
today we're a little bit different because we believe that
the older person should have as much self agency as possible.
So we start there, what matters to you? How can
we help you improve your quality of life. So one
of the things that we do is once they tell

(09:17):
us and we try to you know, we really probe,
we try to ask the questions. But once we understand
that what we do is we do what we call
community resource navigation. That's one of the biggest issue with
older people in terms of services and supports is that
those services and supports are very fragmented. They're all over
the place. And then let's add in Medicare Medicaid. Oh

(09:37):
my gosh, right, I'm one of those people that I'm
going to have to sign up for Medicare next year
and I've started doing a lot of the research on it,
and it's just mind numbing at how many you know,
it's an alphabet suit. Things are changing all of time,
and then there's certain things that ways you have to
sign up. You may have to do it online, you

(09:58):
may have to go through this poor you may have
to go down to an office, and those things are changing,
particularly and what's happening at the federal level right now.
So one of the things we were going to do,
what we do do and what we'll continue to do,
is to help seniors to access those resources by understanding
it ourselves and helping guiding them through it. So that's

(10:20):
basically one example of our social work services. Then we're
helping out with Medicare and Medicaid, and then we will
also do for other community resources. A program that we
started about five years ago, right at the start of
the pandemic was our Daybreak program. Day Break is an
adult day program for people who are living with dementia

(10:42):
and for their caregivers. What makes our program unique is
number one, we're the only such day program in the
city of Detroit that specializes in serving people who have
a dementia diagnosis. Number two, we provide probably as much
support to the caregiver as we do to the person
who needs the care because they both do so. Often

(11:06):
either one or the other gets overlooked in the process.
So we do a lot of different programs for those caregivers,
evidence based programs to help them to address the behaviors
that go on with people who have dementia, help them
to help de escalate situation. We also try to give
them spat days things to just try to make their

(11:28):
lives a little bit more comfortable. And then for the
people who are in our program, we bring a lot
of evidence based program This kind of leads me to
my next point about the things that we do, which
is what we call creative aging. We bring a lot
of art into everything that we do, and the reason
that we do. That is there was a longitudinal study

(11:48):
that was done by a doctor, Gene Cohen. He was
a psychiatry, a geriatric psychologist, and he did longitudinal study
that when you give older people really robust arts training
by professional artists and you're teaching them, you're trying to
build their skills, not just having them do something craftsy

(12:09):
or anything like that. And when that happens, he found
that they have had fewer doctors' visits, fewer medications, they
reported just feeling better overall. And we saw this during
the past that yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I have to interject, yeah, I love that, you know,
it gives that outlet to create, not just like you said,
do crafts, actually helps them absolutely.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
And and the thing is, I think it is the
other side of the mind. Yeah, yeah, so is that
I guess on one point to the wrong side the
side the right side where I guess the art brain
is located. Right. But what's cool about art and creativity,
particularly when you're talking about people who have a dementia diagnosis, Right,

(12:54):
they don't have to remember anything, right, they just create
whatever comes to their mind. They can just create, they
can be in that moment. And it's also a moment
where that caregiver and that their loved one, their family
member can then even enjoy that moment together. Right. So's
I would say. Art is a really big part of
what we do in our daybreak program, but we also

(13:16):
have it in other programs as well. So another program
is what we call Beyond You, so a little play
on beyond University or university, and the idea there is
people can come in and take classes with us, and
they can progress, you know, they can take a beginning
our class and then take an Advance our class. They
can try different forms of art. We've added performing art,

(13:39):
so we have singing groups, we have a theater group.
We have a special clay workshop that we take to
senior apartment buildings around Detroit. So what we're truly trying
to do is to keep people engaged with the art.
It's good for hand eye coordination, you know, you know,
helping with those connections. But the big thing, and this

(14:02):
is what I started to say, and I lost track
of my thought. What I started to say is that
during the pandemic, one of the things we noticed before
we kind of made that pivot like everybody else, was
the isolation among older adults and we heard the stories. Right,
you couldn't go into senior apartment buildings or assistant living

(14:27):
centers because they were afraid that people were going to
contract something. Right, Well, the problem was is that it
isolated them. So seniors who were used to going to
church every Sunday, that was their social network and if
they couldn't go to church, it ruined their quality of life.
And this went on for two three years, and so

(14:49):
that's really was heartbreaking to watch that. Well, what we
noticed was when we pivoted to a virtual environment using
Zoom and we had to go out and help seniors
get on Zoom and everything right, they we found that
the seniors would get on and they would catch up first, right,

(15:09):
because that isolation was real. Right. AARP did a study
several years ago that said that isolation is as deadly
for older people as smoking fifteen cigarettes a day. So
we saw how important that was. We saw it in
Daybreak when we opened in January of twenty twenty, closed

(15:33):
in March of twenty twenty, and those people that we
had during those few times, few couple of months, when
we reopened a year later, their caregivers were talking about
how they had declined because they had no stimulation and
that caregiver was struggling as well. So yeah, it was

(15:54):
it was a tough time for singers and isolation. It
was a big, big issue that we saw. It was
a problem.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, you mentioned the arts, and I know you have
lots of several events that you are doing and the
Emerged Art Festival highlights artists over the age of fifty five,
which is awesome. What kind of response have you seen
from the community around that, and tell me more about
the Emerging Art Festival.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
So, yeah, that's a really well that's what I call
one of our signature programs, Emerge. Actually it was I
wish I could take credit for it. I can't, but
it was actually the brainchild of one of my trustees
who was enamored with the Grand Rapids Art Contest and

(16:39):
he says, well, why can't we do this here in Detroit,
but just focus on older people. And so I started
with the organization ten years ago and that was one
of the charges they gave to me, was to really
move us more towards this whole creative aging path. And
so we started Emerge in twenty eighteen. Actually we did

(17:03):
it at the bill As Art festivals where we first
did it, and so what it is is a juried
competition and what we're trying to do is to bring
in artists, older adult artists who that may not have
been their career, maybe it was a career transition that
they went through. But what we want to do is
showcase of these artists who may not have had a platform.

(17:28):
Then what we want to do is to make it
worth their while. So, as I said, it's a juried
competition and we will give like small cash prizes to
them as well. This year, so we had our Merge
Art Festival for twenty twenty five was this past Saturday.
It was on the eighteenth, and it was an incredible show.

(17:51):
We have artists that range in age from fifty five
to ninety three. We had over two hundred pieces of artworks.
You get a chance to come down. It's in our
main gallery, it's in our lobby, it's on our lower
level in the corridors. Art is just so you actually
have a gallery, Yes, we do, Yeah, yeah, we do
have a gallery. When I started there was it was

(18:14):
kind of like a small room and then we took
some other offices opened them up to make a larger
gear out gallery because we're located right in the Cultural Center, right,
So we're two blocks south of the DA across from
the Detroit Artists Market, down the street from yourg Namdi,
So I mean, we're right there, and so it makes

(18:36):
perfect sense for us to have a gallery. And as
I said, the show was just absolutely fantastic, So I
encourage everybody to come out. The show was going to
be up through the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, yeah, so there's plenty of time to oh, absolutely,
yeht In and see the wonderful artwork that they've created.
You have other major events this fall. Tell me about
the Detroit Historical Museum exhibit and what visitors can expect
to see there.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
So yeah, we did open that up October eleventh at
the Detroit Historical Museum. And so what you have there
is more of the story of what I just described
to you about Luella Hannah, a little bit of that
story that's there we have.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's part of the Historical Museums offering you like, an
area to express how it came about exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Okay, Yeah, So it's right outside of their auditorium and
then we have a few kind of artifacts there I
know one of the artifacts is when we opened our
I probably need to back up a bit. So what
Louella Hennon wanted to do was to establish a home
for older people. That's what she originally wanted to do.

(19:41):
I don't know if I mentioned that already. I didn't, Okay.
So that's what she really wanted to do, and she
wanted to do it in Gross Point. Okay, Okay, So
I told you about the court case, right, Well, she
won the first court case. Right. So her nephew, I'm
not sure if this was the same nephew or not,
but this was a few that was on her husband's side,

(20:02):
and he lived in Gross Point and he says, no,
we don't want a place like that out here. So
he in the middle of the night the Gross Point Park,
I think, and they they got together they passed the
ordinance so that they could not establish an older person's
home in gross Point Park. Well, the trustees that already

(20:23):
purchased a home there, I think they were going to
be able to do it, right. So unfortunately we weren't
able to do it, so that never happened, right, And
so for the next forty five years or so, what
they did was they helped people to age in place
at home, so wherever they were. We were around before

(20:43):
what we call the social safety net. So the social
safety net is social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. We were ten
years before social Security. So we started providing essentially a
pension to seniors who qualified for our program. We held
them with medical expense to help them with vision and
dental expenses and even incidental expenses. So as you can

(21:08):
imagine doing that to people who walk through your door.
We actually almost went bankrupt and we had to not
accept any more clients. We couldn't accept clients from like
about nineteen twenty eight through nineteen forty six because we
were almost out of money and we had to let
it build back up. So and it was also still

(21:29):
under kind of court order as well. So in any case, yeah,
here you are, two hundred years law, we're here. Yeah
we're here now, right, But that's the building that we're
in now is We eventually had to build an apartment
building because the Michigan Attorney General sued us and said,

(21:49):
you didn't do what Labella wanted. But we did do
what Leveello wanted, and we actually went back and we
got the courses say they were okay with it, but
a higher course says, nope, we're changing our mind. So
we built facility that we're in right now, and that
facility house fifty one residents from about nineteen seventy one
up to about nineteen ninety three or so ninety five.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
But now it's really mostly about helping people age in places.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So yeah, I call it it's a it's just a
senior center in some respects, even though I kind of
shy away from that term. But we wanted this to
be a vibrant place where seniors can kind of learn,
connect with others, you know, who think like them.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
One of your sayings is aging is not a decline,
but a powerful stage of life.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
That is so true. We often look that when people
reach a certain age. I mean, I'm guilty of it.
Certainly was guilty of it. My mom died a couple
of years ago. She was ninety five years old. And
my mother would go outside in the fall. If I
was too slow with the leaf blower, she'd be out

(22:55):
there with a broom was you'll sweep it up leaves right.
It's like, oh my gosh, you're making me look bad
to the neighbors stop it, right, But we want to
tell them to go sit down, right, and that that
little motion, that little exercise helps her to stay active. Right.
There's a that's a great point. If you heard of

(23:16):
the Blue zones. So the Blue Zones, there are like
five or six of them around the world. These are
places where people live to the age of one hundred
at a rate that's many times what you find in
this country. And one of the things that they found
in those boot zones sort of that was a commonality
was they were constantly moving, all right. They didn't set

(23:37):
aside like I do, an hour to go exercise. They
were doing it throughout the day. So you know, they
grab a couple of bottles of wine and they go
up and downhills to meet a neighbor. They drink into
the late hours and they get up and go back again.
But they but they got their exercise, and they were
always doing things all the time, and so movement is
so so important there. But I want to forget where

(24:01):
I was aat it with that. I was go ahead
somewhere with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
We were talking about how aging is not a decline
but a powerful whole life.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yes, yeah, so so yeah, it isn't. And so the
other story I wanted to share with you is we
do a program every year that's called seventy over seventy,
and in it we recognize seventy people over the age
seventy familiarit cranes forty under forty forty. So we do
a similar thing. And so we recognized them across seven

(24:29):
different categories, ten people in each category. One year, one gentleman.
I wish I would remember which category he was in,
but I'll never forget him because he was in a
wheelchair and he was one of our winners. He didn't
have full muscle control, so you know, he was dribbling

(24:52):
food on him and everything, right, but he was our
top winner. And here's why. He was in his nineties
in a wheelchair and probably for fifteen years he researched
the facts around a gentleman who had been incarcerated for murder.

(25:12):
And he was able to find information to get this
guy exonerated. Wow, exonerated, right, And that's why I say
it doesn't matter how old you are or what you're
able to do, because what you can do can still
help someone. Another story that these guy's name is John Smith.

(25:35):
You can look him up on the internet. If you
look up a guy, if you look up a guy
us a John Smith who made pictures using a typewriter,
you probably see this guy. Right. He was seventy something
years old and he has cerebral palsy, I believe, and
so I know your listeners can't see me do this, right,
But he had to prop up, use one arm to

(25:56):
prop up a hand, and then he'd point with his
other finger and he would painstakily, painstakingly type on a
typewriter and create these beautiful pictures. He like did a
Mona Lisa. He did a landscape, right. But here's a
guy that somebody might look at and they might say,
you have no utility, right, go sit in the corner somewhere, right,

(26:17):
But he was still creating at seventies something with you know,
the infirmaties that he had, right, So we all can
do that. And I think the one thing I want
your listeners to know is we ought to embrace getting older,
because you know what the alternative is, right, right, And
we're all aging, whether you are two or ninety two,
we're all aging. So just because you've met someone who

(26:40):
is a senior doesn't mean that you've met all seniors,
you've met one singior, and we all have different gifts
and talents that we bring to the table that can
make our society and world better. And that's what we
try to recognize at hand, and we try to recognize
that in our seventy over seventy. We recognize that in
our Emerged Art Festival as well.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, you're served more than fifteen hundred adults older adults
every year at a lot of people are getting help
with your organization. What are some of the biggest needs
that you're seeing among Detroit's senior community right now?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, it's kind of all over the gamut. Right now,
we are seeing much more in terms of homeless older adults,
and now those really break my heart. I remember one morning,
I get into work pretty early, and I remember coming
in it was this time of year, and so when
I got there, it was kind of dark, and I

(27:32):
could see this guy over in our bushes, you know,
he was in a motorized wheelchair, and I didn't know
what was wrong with him. I thought maybe he had
the hide ors of they and I go over there
and I realized that he was charging. He found an
outlet on the outside of our building. He was charging
his scooter right and so I tried to get him

(27:55):
to come inside because that said to me, there, if
he's charging he had outside of our building and cold
out right now, he's probably unhoused. And so I see people,
particularly this time of year, I get calls from older
adults saying, Hey, I've been without a hot water heater
for two years, or my furnace is down and I

(28:16):
need a furnace. We get overrun with calls like that.
So I would say that's going to be a big,
big need, And particularly in light of the fact that
so many programs have been cut or reorganized and we're
still unsure about what the new rules and requirements are
going to be in order to be able to access

(28:37):
those programs. That's going to be a huge need that
seniors are trying to sort of navigate all of that.
We're now in our Medicare open enrollment period, so October
fifteenth through whatever it is December seventh, I think, and
so things have changed, and so we got to be
ready to help singers sort of navigate that. So that's
going to be a big issue as well.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So for people who are interested in like helping your
organization help older adults.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
How would they get involved?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
What what's there you know that you need for helping
with events or volunteering, or let's say they want to
make a donation, what can they do to best support
you for the next one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
The short answer is yes to all of the above. Right.
But so we're always looking for volunteers. That's a good
way to understand an organization, whether it's our organization or
any charity. Right. But when you get in here and
begin to do the work and the people begin to
touch you, you know, you really then get a feel
for the work. And so I would say, definitely come

(29:34):
out and volunteer. Volunteering is not your thing, we will
certainly love donations. As I said, we we got started
with with an endowment, but we burnt through much of
that money. Uh. And where we are today, we are uh,
you know, still have some resources left, but we go

(29:55):
out and we raise dollars to help seniors with like
emergency needs. We have an that's one of the ways
that we call our emergency needs fund, the John Scutter Fund,
right And I mentioned a guy earlier, right, So, but
this has helped singers who you know, have no one
else to turn in terms of resources and support. So

(30:15):
that's where like the last resort for them. We certainly
look for resources for our adult day program Daybreak. That's
a big, big need of us for us number one people,
and that helps the caregivers too. It helps caregivers, it
helps the people, yep, all of the above. It's pretty

(30:36):
difficult for people because if you stay at home, then
somebody has to be there to take care of you, right,
and so typically oftentimes it's women, right, And if they
have to stay at home, that means they're not working,
that means they're not accruing social security. Oftentimes they're neglecting
their own health. They can end up being sicker than
the person they're caring for, so it becomes a problem.

(30:58):
So when that person goes away and you're no longer caregiving,
you've now lost all these years where you could have
been earning social security and increasing your social security. So
that's why I think a place like Daybreak matters so
much because then you don't have to stay at home,
but it's also less expensive than say assistant living and

(31:19):
memory care, right, So that I'd say is a huge
huge need for us. It's the more that we're able
to raise resources there then were able to serve more
people and they're not paying an arm and a leg
to be able to use our services.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And if you're interested in helping, it's Handan dot Handan
dot org is very easy.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
N n A n j n n an dot org.
They can also buy tickets to our seventy over seventy
so if they've missed this year, they can definitely do
it next year. We have it every year, seventy over seventy.
That that's a big fundraiser for us when we're trying
to recognize the seventy you know, the seventy seniors, but
it's also a fundraiser. That's great.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Our guest today has been Vincent Tilford. He's president and
CEO of the Handon Center. More information can be found
again at Hannan dot org. Thank you so much for
joining us, Vincent, and thanks thank you for all you
do for our older community.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, thank you very much for having me again.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
This has been light Up the d a community, a
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