Episode 91: Neighborhood Service Organization

LINDA LITTLE DISCUSSES THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ORGANIZATION'S "DON'T TOUCH ME" CAMPAIGN

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Light Up the D, focus on what's happening
in our community from the people who make it happen.
Here's your host, iHeartMedia Detroit Market President Colleen Grant.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good morning and welcome to another episode of Light Up
the D. I'm your host, Colleen Grant, Thanks for joining
me today. Our guest is Linda Little. She's the President
and CEO of Neighborhood Service Organization NSO, a Detroit based
integrated health and human service agency dedicated to serving vulnerable populations.
A respected healthcare executive with nearly thirty years of experience,

(00:40):
Linda is known for her results driven leadership and commitment
to addressing social determinants of health through innovative community based solutions.
Speaking with us today about NSOs Don't Touch Me campaign.
Please join me in welcoming Linda Little. Thank you for
joining us. Linda, appreciate you being here. Thank you for
having me. Colleen, It's such a pleasure to be here
with you. You and I heard Red.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Why don't we start with what is Neighborhood Service Organization?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Neighborhood Service Organization is a fantastic community based organization that
you know started off in nineteen fifty five. So we're
celebrating seventy years this year. Oh congratulations, Yes, thank you.
So we've been serving metropolitan Detroit and you know, really
the residence, the needs of the residence as they've evolved

(01:28):
and grown. So even for example, the sixty seven riots,
when those families were burned out, it was NSL to
help place them into new housing. We've been serving older
adults in our communities, children with autism, people with mental illness,
substance use disorder, and everything in between. So we help
support families and individuals at their most vulnerable times, meet

(01:53):
them where they are.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And what inspired NSO to launch the hashtag Don't Touch
Me campaign and why I was now the time to
do that.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
So at NSO, in twenty twenty three, we opened a
women's shelter as part of our Detroit Healthy Housing Campus
and we serve It's a fifty six bed shelter. Wow,
And it was just women because that demographic has really
grown in our community where women and children are displaced

(02:24):
and in need of housing. And I'm very hands on,
so I talk to our clients, I interact with them
all the time. I'm very involved in the service that
we do.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm a nurse. I can't help it, and so I understood.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
And from the women, most of them, I would say,
when I asked, as I asked them and talked to
the ladies, ninety to ninety five percent of them admit
that they're there as a result of domestic violence or abuse.
I would say, it's more than that, but there's a
few who don't. Just people aren't ready to share at
certain times, and when they come to us because of

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domestic violence. Children from households where there's domestic violence are
fifteen times more.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Likely to be abused themselves. That's number one.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Number two when they're if they have children, they often
have to put their children in foster care because there's
not enough family housing for them to flee too. And
so the the re traumatized, re traumatization is that a
word we just made, That word of is real, and
it causes such deep rooted wounds or exacerbates those wounds

(03:38):
that are already there. When they have to be separated
from their children and child abuse is an issue, it's
almost like a norm for them. I mean they talk
about it like, yeah, that happened, happened to all of us,
Like they think it's just something normal and everybody experiences it.
And I'm thinking, you know, homelessness is rooted in pover

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so wealthy people, middle class even experience hardships. But there
ever the weather, those storms. When you are in poverty,
you don't have the resources to weather a storm. It
could literally be a car breaking down that causes you
to lose everything because you can't get to work. If
you can't get to work, you don't have money. You
don't have money, you can't pay I mean, it's like

(04:23):
food exactly. When hearing these stories about child abuse, people
may think that it is a class issue, that it's
children who are in poverty and this is just the
lifestyle that they have. But I'm here to tell you,
since we've launched this campaign, I've had so many people

(04:46):
who are considered upper class, wealthy people even to tell
me about their stories when they were abused as a child.
And then the CDC and Kaiser Permanente in the late
nineties did a study and it was all middle class
and upper middle class people, college educated white people, and

(05:07):
they found it was about seventeen eighteen thousand people in
the study, about ninety percent of them had childhood trauma,
some form of abuse in childhood and that leads to
chronic diseases, mental illness, Substance use disorder is rooted in

(05:28):
this childhood trauma. It's called ACES, probably heard of the
ACES study, and so epigenetics that scientists have also discovered
confirms that trauma actually changes our DNA, our genetic makeup,
and it morphs to create these autoimmune disorders, these mental illnesses,
these things that come out physiologically because it's got to

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go somewhere. So this is not just a poverty issue.
It's not a class issue, it's not just one community.
This is something that impacts all of us. Every nine
seconds a child is sexually abused. Every thirteen seconds someone
is reporting abuse of a child in our country. This

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is an issue that we have to put our arms
around to protect our children. You know the story of
Nasiah Harris, little Chase, the three year old that was
blind in one eye. His mother had been beating him
repeatedly to the point that he was blind in one eye,
and CPS removed him from the home, placed him with
his godmother, but then put him back into the home

(06:32):
with the mother. Shortly thereafter, he was found dead in
a deep freezer three years old. So our system I
know that people don't go into this work to hurt anybody,
but there's infrastructures. We have to build the support in
the systems that enable people to do their best to

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protect children.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Right, we have to support that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Somebody had once told me that abuse is almost learned behavior.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Is that true?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Completely preventable, absolutely learned behavior?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, how do you even break that cycle?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Well, first of all, this is why we have a
website full of tools. On our website, we have information
about abuse predator statistics, videos that teaches children that parents
can use to teach children safe unsafe touching, tools for
professionals to learn how to have the conversations, educate themselves

(07:30):
so that they can then educate the people that they
interact with. We have to educate ourselves, that's first and foremost.
We have to know what it looks like, call it
what it is. That's why the name of this campaign
is provoking don't touch me. You know, it actually came
from one of the videos, the children's videos with the
child actually says don't touch me and you should run

(07:52):
and get help. So that's the first step is really
understanding the importance of education and awareness. That's why we're
asking for partners and for people to join this campaign.
You could do it really easily on our website. To
just join the movement. They'll get tools and resources that
they can post share with their network of people.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
We need to make this a massive campaign.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, speaking of a massive campaign, I mean you had said,
you know, in twenty twenty three, you were at the
women's shelter and you're interviewing all these people in the
vast majority, almost all of them had experienced abuse or
domestic violence. So how and why, you know, can we
reframe child abuse as not just a family or local issue,

(08:38):
but as like a national epidemic, because it sounds like
from these studies and from your personal experience that there
are many, many more people suffering from abuse than one
might think there are.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
So there's about six to seven hundred thousand reported cases
of abuse, but we know that most people don't or abuse, right,
seventy six percent of abusers are family members, and so
oftentimes it just goes unaddressed, unreported, and that child is
just left to suffer in silence, and they grow up

(09:13):
to adults who have major issues in trauma that they
have to deal with. It's really would I would say
that we really have to focus on how do we
communicate this in a way that lets people know it's
okay to report it and not just be accusatory, you know,
focused on the predator. Let's focus on the child and

(09:36):
getting the healing and support for the child. So we
really want to encourage people to be comfortable in understanding
that this is something that happens because is perpetuated by
things that happen to other people. So if we can
do it from a place of compassion so that we

(09:56):
can protect the child, perhaps the abuse user can then
be separated and get the support and help that they need,
but be in an environment where they can't hurt any
more children. Right.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Get that that's such a dynamic change though, because if
you think about it, like it's hard for a person
to report their family member, it was their family member,
you know, and people around them love them and maybe
don't even know, or maybe they do know, and nobody
wants to acknowledge it. So to say, okay, let's get
help for the child, and then let's also get help

(10:30):
for the abuser and in a compassionate way. That it's
because they learned it from somebody who learned it from
somebody who learned it's such a dynamic change to think
that we could actually do that and help both parties change,
you know, one to survive and have a normal life
and one to change because they've obviously been doing something horrendous.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, this campaign is about protecting the child, right, of course.
That's because if you are in a dynamic where you
or your child has been abused by someone you know
and have to look at every day, it's hard to
separate those emotions, you know, So to focus on the vulnerable,

(11:15):
the child, right, the person who's been victimized, is where
we're putting our focus for this campaign. You know, from
my own story, it's unbelievable. It's you know, you and
I before we started said that this is truly unthinkable.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
It isn't you.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's hard to wrap your brain around something like this
happening to your child number one and number two. Somebody
that you know, potentially love, care about, who you gave
access to your home, your kids, somebody who may share
these children with you, somebody you try. I mean, there's
a that's an onion that you could just peel away.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Peel away, peel away.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
So that's why we have to first focus on protecting
the child. Do what we can to protect the child
individually and systematically as a community.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
What are some of the unique challenges children of color
face and reporting abuse?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
That speaks to the inequities in our system overall that
are rooted in the racism that black people have experienced
in the United States. I mean, quite frankly, if you
go all the way back to Madison, it was physicians
who were the ones pricing put in the value, the
price tag on slaves to be bought, you know, evaluating

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the woman's reproductive health and how strong it was physicians
doing that, and so as it's deeply rooted in our
healthcare system and our correctional systems, in every aspect of
our society. So there's this mistrust already in the black community,
you know, around any structural process, and so we have

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to make it a safe place for them. And that's
why advocacy is so important. That's why organizations like NSO
who have that trust with communities need to be that
voice for the voiceless.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
That's why we're doing this campaign.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Fifty three percent Black children are affected by child abuse
fifty three percent of them, they say will be impacted
by child abuse, fifty three percent of every black.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Child that's insane.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
But only thirty seven percent of other children. It should
be zero.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
It should be zero. It should be on of anybody,
absolutely agree. What's with that gap? I mean, you know,
I know that there are injustices that have happened over time,
but why does that continue to be in existence? Those
gaps in the quality of protections.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
So the societal complexities of why these things still exist,
or you know, take us two days to even just nick.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
The top of that iceberg.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
But I can tell you that when you have a
community who is isolated, who doesn't trust normal infrastructures of
the system that have created a great degree of mistrust,
reporting something is not top of mind. You know, even
when you're talking about, you know, criminal activity in a community.

(14:22):
You know, there's the whole snitches get stitches and can't
be a snitch. There's a reason why all of that
is communicated. It's because you don't take the issues outside
of the community to the people that don't care about us.
That's the underlying thing why that's all created is a
different conversation, and so Oftentimes people don't report because they

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have such high degree of mistrust in the system. The
child could be taken away from them, They themselves could
be victimized because of i'm sorry, vilified if they reported it.
That happens a lot. You know, oftentimes we're s people
are saying that somebody's coaching, they're using that, the defendant
is using that to deflect away from their own behavior,

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and you know, oftentimes the people reporting aren't believed, and
so especially the child. That's one of the things that
we say, when a child speaks and says they're being abused,
believe them. It is not in a child's psyche to
say those things. They don't even have the words, They
don't have the vocabulary to say, the history to draw.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
They need to say something. They got nothing.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
So if they say that these things happened, it happened,
It came from somewhere. So that's one of the things
that we have to educate people about, promote that awareness,
to let them know that it's okay, and then give
them the tools to support them by having the system
to respond to their needs and giving them the support

(15:54):
on the back end to help them heal.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Let's talk a little bit more about the system to
yours out of their needs. One of the priorities of
the movement is mandatory trauma informed training for law enforcement, judges, investigators.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
How do you develop that? Why is that essential? Can
you believe it's not required? I think absolutely it should
be required. It's just astonished. How do you handle that
if you don't know everything about it?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
And children, as you know, develop your mom developmentally. Children
respond to things differently than adults do. Right, That's why
we have these structures and put them in school and
we treat them the way that we do. We're seeing
a high turnover in CPS workers.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
It's hard. Who wants a tough, tough job, all right?

Speaker 4 (16:41):
God bless so many of them that are coming in
our new grads. They don't have a lot of experience.
That's a separate dynamic. Even if they do, they're The
trauma informed age specific training helps people to understand what
is happening with a child at various stages of their
develop and how they may respond to that particular trauma.

(17:03):
So if a child is seems to be happy and
they're playing, but they're telling you about abuse, that's horrible abuse,
That happened to them. Somebody might say that child doesn't
even seem sad, that could have never happened. They're not
telling the truth because they don't seem, you know, like
something's happened to them. Well, children suppress trauma. They don't

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experience it the way that you and I do, so
they don't even know where.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
To put that.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
It's like, wow, this look icky thing happened to me.
I don't even know what to do with this, but
I really enjoyed this barbie that I'm playing with. And
so that's how they play. So if you don't understand that,
then you would think that the child is lying and
then not do anything to protect that child. So that's
how critically important this training can be.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
How does the.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Campaign aim to change the laws around child abuse and
strengthen those legal protections for children.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So we're really inviting other organizations to partner with us,
and we have several that have already started joining and
it's growing, so that we can build a coalition of
concerned citizens, concerned organizations, parents, individuals, advocacy groups, anyone who
wants to get involved in this movement to join us,

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and we will help you sift through the issues craft language,
work with legislators to help advance bills that can support
and protect the children that we serve that we're honored
and privileged to serve in this great state of Michigan.
I believe in humanity. I believe that when people know

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and hear and see all of the gaps in our system,
that they'll want to take action. They'll want to do
the right thing to protect children. You know what happened
to Chase where he had to continue to go back
into an abusive home environment. This little baby's just three.
This was happening. He died at three. This was happening

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before he even had language to tell what was happening
to him. But the physical aspects that were happening on
his body were known, and there were adults around him
who reported it.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
But the system failed him. The system failed him.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
And so how do we put safeguards in the system
so that doesn't happen? So the required training is one
so that more people will be educated, informed and have
the tools to respond. And then how do we have
accountability structures? Right now, you can't even get information from CPS.
You don't even know how many times people until it's

(19:42):
a story that breaks in the media, and it's usually
a death. When that happens, then you don't know how
many cases. We do know that there's an investigation that
was done by the OIG and they're on a corrective
action plan. We know what that plan is, but it
doesn't address issues like how how many times did a
child report the abuse and nobody responded? Or was the

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child sent back into an harmful environment and left without
any safety precautions at all, no monitoring, no counseling, no
training for the parent, no nothing, just throw the child
back into the home where they can continue the abuse
that started.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
There's no oversight.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
So right now you have independent agencies from child protective
services to law enforcement to the judiciary, who each have
a role to play, but they don't do their individual roles.
They rely on the other roles and then so if
one piece of that process falls apart or has a gap,

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then it all falls apart.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
It's got to be a thread through all of them, that's.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Right, some kind of integration so that if CPS investigation,
if they don't find anything based on their standards and protocols, okay,
well maybe law enforcement can find something and based on
their spenders and protocols they do do them, but if not,
there's the judiciary who can also take action and have
evidentry hearings and whatever.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
It takes to protect the child as well.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Right now, you have one segment relying on the other segment,
and if nobody acts, then nobody acts.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
And all the timing on that needs to be pretty
rapid so that they don't you know, I mean, abuse
can happen tomorrow again once they're back in there, So
how do you get it to happen fast enough that
they're protected from even time that it can happen?

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right, So, Child Protective Services their standard is that their
investigations can take thirty days, but in that thirty day window,
that child can suffer, you know. And so what we
are advocating for is an immediate safety plan. If there's
physical evidence or the child discloses abuse, that there's a
safety plan for that child to make sure that there's

(21:56):
no harm even while investigating. And if there's not enough
legal evidence at the end of that investigation, then there's
safeguards put in place. Maybe there's weekly visits, maybe there's
mandatory therapy, maybe there's some kind of safety net for
this child to make sure that they're okay.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
There's probably business or community leaders or just general you know,
everyday listeners who are interested in getting involved in the
Don't Touch Me movement.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
How can they get involved?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yes, that is what we would like to see. So
we have on our website NSO Dashmi for Michigan dot org.
That's nsoshmi dot org. There's information about our Don't Touch
Me campaign. There's a whole landing page where they can
join the movement and have access to all the resources

(22:46):
and tools that we have. We also have a podcast,
The Silent Majority, where we're doing a Don't Touch Me series.
So there's some guests that come on that even shed
more light on this topic. If they want to educate
themselves more or they can reach out to us at
NSO corporate Affairs at nsomi dot org. Can you repeat

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that again, please, Corporate affairs at n s O dashmi dot.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Org and the main address is NSOT Hyphenmi dot org.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's correct. Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
If someone's listening today who suspects abuse, what would be
the first steps they should take?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
They should call the National Child Help Line, or if
they're in Michigan, they can call the CPS Intake Line.
I don't have the number committed to memory, but it
is on our website, the Child Help Line and the
CPS Intake Line for Michigan. It's one number for the
cross the state, or they can call nine one one
and they can help them, take them to the emergency room.

(23:44):
If there's physical evidence, you know, call the pediatrician. If
you have a doctor, report it to them. There's multiple
ways you can engage with the system to start that process.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
You've you had mentioned earlier. You know, people are reluctant
and to share their experiences. If someone is ready to
share their experience, what are the you know, what are
the ways that they might safely and effectively. I hate
to say share their experience because it's just hard to
even imagine sharing an experience like that. But you know,

(24:18):
through shared experiences sometimes there's healing. Yes, So what would
you recommend for somebody who's in that position?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
So, I would say, first of all, that silence does
not protect you. It imprisons you. So sharing in a
safe space that makes someone feel comfortable is really important
for it to start the healing journey.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It doesn't start until you speak.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
So and I just posted a video on all of
our social media platforms speaking to moms in particular, if
they are having you know, this issue, if their child
is suffering in silence, or they themselves are suffering in silence,
that I am here that they can reach out to
n s O and we will stand beside them.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
We will help them on this journey.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
So they can reach out to us through our website
by joining this movement or contacting our corporate affairs at
NSOMI dot org, and that message that they send will
get to me. It comes to me. I am personally
supporting these women. I've had multiple people who have contacted

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me and reached out through our website and I have
helped to connect them with resources and getting the tools
and support that they need.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
If you're just.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Joining us today, our guest is Lynda and Little. She's
the president and CEO of Neighborhood Service Organization a s
OH And again, the website is NSO hyphenmi dot org. Linda,
you had mentioned earlier the digital toolkit. You know, sometimes
people just need resources. Let's talk a little bit more
about that place.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yes, right on our website, we have a toolkit for
the public, you know, just information about you know, statistics
abusers what to look for and the like. And then
there's a partner toolkit where we have information for organizations
that want to partner with us and how they can
you know, access social media posts and other information to
connect with us. And so that's all on our website

(26:23):
at NSOMI dot org where they can access that information
or they can also join the movement. It's really important
that people join the movement on our website so that
we know how many people are this issue is resonating
with you know, there's power and numbers. You know, you

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see all the protesters across the country right now. Those numbers,
the people's voices matter, So we want this to be
a people's movement.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I think that's I think that's the one massive takeaway
from this conversation is everybody who suffers in silence isn't
necessarily assisting in the power of the volume of people
to make change. Yes, Like it takes the volume of
people to say there's a massive problem, and I'm willing

(27:17):
to open my mouth about something that's so hard to
talk about to help somebody else not suffer through this.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yes, And that's you know, you're so right, Colling you
said before that this is just people just don't want
to talk about this. It's so and understandably it absolutely
it is truly the unthinkable. But it's happening whether we
talk about it or not. Right, And so if we
don't talk, are we going to sit back and let
it happen and do nothing? Or are we going to

(27:45):
take that leap of faith and use our voices to
help protect children?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, pow our numbers. Like you said, what's your hope
for the future of that don't touch me movement? I
dream bub you hope it goes away from us.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
For gone, that we live in the world where there's
absolutely no child abuse. That wouldn't that be beautiful? That
would just be beautiful. It's just nobody like children are
free to be themselves and be protected from harm of
any kind.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's my dream I share with you in that dream. Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
What about the survivors who may still be afraid to
come forward and feel the system has failed down?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
What words do you have for them?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
You know, everybody is on their own path to healing, right,
some people may not be ready just yet. So therapy,
you know, we offer therapists at nso we have case managers.
If you need support, reach out, get help at one
of our clinics. They can call one eight eight eight
three six zero nine three seven five.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's eight eight eight three six zero.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Well is what it spells out, and they can schedule
the same day or next day appointment to talk to
a therapist, to get help from a case manager or
a coach to help support them until they're ready to
take action, or maybe they just need to start their
own personal healing journey and get to a point where
then they can decide what's next. But holding it in

(29:19):
silence does not protect you. It just imprisons. You got
to step out of.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
That prison, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Personally speaking, I'm always amazed at somebody like you.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Why because I could never do it? Yes, you could.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
You never know what you can do because I never
thought I'd be sitting here.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
How did you end up getting into this role at NSO? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Or just in general, like in the protection of children
and abuse well or NSO.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I have always, you know, looking back at my career,
I've always been an advocate for vulnerable populations. I've chosen
to work in the Detroit community. I've had many other opportunities,
but I choose to work with vulnerable populations, and you
know that speaks to I think, I believe in destiny

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that we all have a divine purpose for being here,
and that's part of my divine purpose. And meeting these
wonderful women who've had such a hard time in life
and seeing their children, you know, being separated from them,
and just there's so many different stories that have their
like pieces to a puzzle, and then my own life story,

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you know, and it makes it, it makes it to
at a point where you can't not speak. You know,
when there's a certain point when you are when you
know that this is a divinely ordained thing for you
to do, you can't not do it. And that's where
I am. I have to do this or I won't
sleep at night. It'll eat me up because I know

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I have the ability, I have the means, I have
the voice to do it, so I must act. It's
like you know the Book of Esther, where she was
a Jewish woman who the king selected her to be
his next wife, and it was at a time when
there was a whole plot to eradicate the Jewish people
from the community there, and she used her position in

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her voice for such a time as that to protect
her people. And that's what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Well, I admire you. I admire your strength and what
you're doing. Thank you to know that. But I need
everybody to Jane.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Everybody, and if I can't do it a lot, there's
a way to help. Yes, that's what it comes down to. Yes,
is there is a way to help. All you got
to do is go to NSO hyphenmi dot org.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
It could be your time, it could be your money,
it could be your resources, it could be your a
verbal support of somebody.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
It could there are a million ways to help.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, And if you are so inclined, that's where you
go NSO hyphenmi dot org.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yes, that's right, Thank you Kelling.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Our guest today has been Linda Little, President and CEO
of Neighborhood Neighborhood Service Organization, speaking again about the Don't
Touch Me campaign. Thank you for joining us, Linda.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
This has been light Up the D a community affairs
program from iHeartMedia Detroit. If your organization would like to
get on the program, email Colleen Grant at iHeartMedia dot com.
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