October 1, 2025 • 12 mins
Allen County Auditor Rachael Gilroy and Allen County Commissioner Cory Noonan joined Todd to discuss efforts to reform the Propety Tax procedures in the State of Ohio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And as we do on Wednesday, we focus on Allen
County and today we have two guests, a Commissioner Corey
Noonan is here with us and Auditor Rachel Gilroy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Guys, good morning, good morning, good morning. Good to have
you here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I guess we want to talk about property tax reform.
And part of that is based on the fact that
there's this possibility that on the ballot we could have
a property tax repeal. That's not been totally firmed up yet,
but there is a push about repealing property tax.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Isn't there Corey out there, but.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
There is, you know, there there's a discussion about that.
But you know, when when items get brought up by
the public, you know, that's one way that kind of
shines a focus on Okay, let's look at this. And
I can attest that here in Allen County that that
subject is something that I know that our auditor, our
treasurer has been looking at for many, you know, the
(01:02):
past five six years, right of what has happened here,
and we're very fortunate in Allen County to have, you know,
the elected officials that we have that work with their associations.
There really are the boots on the ground and understand
the algorithm that goes into this and really what is
meaningful reform that could happen to help benefit our constituents. So,
(01:24):
you know, while there is that discussion going on, I
will attest that that conversation has been happening in real
time here and I compliment the auditor and again our
treasurer for the work that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think, you know, the idea of trying to mitigate
to property tax increases has been something that state has
been talking about as well, but you know there's a
movement now to just repeal it. So I think what's
going on is the politicos want to show that they're
actually working on this and not just sitting around waiting
(01:59):
for it to happen. So that's your idea is we're
working on reform, is what you're saying, right, correct, right.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And that's something for the last many years here. For example,
if anybody has came to a Board of Revision hearing
and has argued their property value, that's something they would
have heard our Board of Revision say, our county treasurer,
County Commissioner myself is reach out to your legislators. We're
following the revised code as it says. But we all agree, boy,
(02:30):
our property values are high, our tax base is high.
We need to have some kind of reform out there.
And we've encouraged everybody. We already reach out to our legislators.
The people need to also to make contact with them
and stress their worry about about these types of issues.
And now the legislators, I think are paying attention, and
(02:53):
that was the goal of all of this. So now
I think we're in a great spot to have some
reform happens so we can lower lower that tax liability
out there and find ways to make things a little
bit easier.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, well, Rachel Viewer are the auditor, so you get
the fantastic job of telling people what their property has
been valued at or the appraisal or whatever you call
that officially, and that is what my property tax is
based on. Like when I go to the store, the
retail price of the goods depend determines how much tax
(03:28):
I pay. So the value of my home and my
property then figures out what my tax will be. But
the problem is people's properties, their values have been jumping, jumping, jumping,
even though we're not really benefiting from that if we
haven't sold the house or whatever. But that in turn
automatically means I'm paying a lot more in tax because
(03:51):
the valuations up.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So I take that number of times another number and
it comes out bigger. So how can you mitigate that?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Right There are some things that we're asking our legislators
to change right now. The Ohio Revice Code says, Okay
County Auditor, every three years, when you go out there
and look at properties, you need to make sure that
value is within ninety to ninety four percent of the
true market value of what that house would sell for
if it were on.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The market right now.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The problem is, you know, you and I and Commissioner No,
and we're not selling our homes. Those are our family homes.
So we understand when people are frustrated. It's great that
that value went up, but then those taxes go along
with it. So some of the things we're putting out
there to legislators is we're going to cap that, you know,
let's cap it and make things more realistic for those
(04:42):
of us that are staying in our homes and living there.
And I do want to say, you know, our County
Treasure is doing such a great job for Allen County.
She's sitting on that governor's board to talk about property
tax reform, and she is really representing Allen County well
and bringing our concerns right there to the table to
(05:04):
the governor's ear So there are things that we're doing
every day to help support our Allen County people.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Auditor Rachel gilroys. Here, now, when you talk about a
cap that you may be proposing, here are you saying
they should cap the amount my property tax total bill
could increase per year, or cap the valuation or which
thing would get a.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Cap on it?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
We're having them look at both ideas. You know, right now,
if your property is valued at one hundred thousand, it
is assessed at thirty five percent of that value, so
your tax is based on thirty five percent. You know,
one of the ideas is to lower that percentage, you know,
lower it down to something that's much more manageable. Or
(05:52):
you know, cap the increase if our taxes, if our
values go up in three years by twenty percent, cap
that inside at three percent, or that's cap it at
the rate of inflation, or some common predictable estimator out
there that we can put in there, and you know,
so it's not a thirty five percent increase in taxes
(06:14):
that that's hard for any family to budget, for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And of course a lot of this is also the
culmination of just bad policy over the decades when it
comes to housing and regulations and getting housing built.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But that's for another discussion.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But clearly there's been attempts before corey, right, aren't there
Somewhat Over the years, the general assemblies tried.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
To mitigate these big jumps.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And property taxes, but it proved to be I guess
not enough or ineffective, right, right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What has happened in the past has happened, right, and
what's been debated. But I think you look at you know,
look pre twenty twenty. You know, we all those their
own houses and property taxes was something that came about.
You had to do and begrudgingly and whatnot, you did it.
To the Auditor's point, you look at the last five
years where values of going right, I mean values of
(07:06):
just going up because of the housing stock, because of
the cost, because of all these other factors that are
out there that have caused the values to go up.
And you know, the auditor does the work to go
out there and determine what those values are. The state
tells the auditor that they need to be increased, you know,
and whatnot. And we're here, right, so how do we
find some type of reform that will limit these spikes?
(07:30):
And that is where you know, the sleeves are rolled
up and truly we're working on you know, we were
talking beforehand. You know, you pick a house where you're
going to live based on the school system, if you
have young kids, or the safety services or whatnot. Just
as when you go to the gas tank or a
gas pump and you pump gas, you know that fuel
cost a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Then there's a fee on top of that, a quote
unquote tax.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know, I like to think of it as a
user fee, just the same as I think of you
know what I pay on property tax to their user fees. Right,
you're paying for some type of service, your tax bill.
And the auditor has done a great job on her
new site of showing you what all your dollars go
to that you pay in property tax, whether or not
(08:14):
it's the schools or the township or or or Senior
says that whatever the case may be, to see what services,
what entities you're paying into to help fund. And that's
a that's a critical component of this. If you repeal
that and that goes away, that goes away, that pie
chart that is on your your your your sheet for
your property, that all goes away. That's funding very important
(08:37):
services for Allen County. And and again I just want
to reiterate, you know, think of it as a user
fee right for the environment of your community.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It is true that most, if not all, the property
tax that each of us pay, we all voted on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Even if you didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Vote, I mean, it was on the ballot, like a
school have a senior citizens the majority the majority of it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yes, some of it was placed on by elected officials,
you know, years ago. But at the end of the day,
it's a system that's been around for decades. The system
of funding these services in the manner that's there has
been here for decades. And I just in my mind,
I just look at the last really five years in
the astronomical rate of what houses have done. I bought
(09:27):
my house in twenty eighteen, and to think and to
see what houses are going for now in my neighborhood,
it's like holy cow, you know. But again, we collectively
need to work on that system, limiting that growth on
what is being charged, you know, in coming into those entities.
And I think truly all those entities that we're talking
(09:48):
about can still see how that will benefit them, even
by limiting their growth.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Rachel mentioned contacting your state of fish. I guess
core in the political substructure here. If I wanted to
contact people to be most effective, are you talking about
my state rep And my state Senator?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Are those the people the.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Cow Unfortunately, you know, Rachel christ I commissioners. You know,
we cannot create laws or change laws. You know, we're
partners and with the state, and we're very fortunate to have,
as we talk all the time, the legislators that we
do down in Columbus. But yeah, you know, that's who
we're communicating with. And I think that it's important for
(10:32):
folks to you know, express their thoughts on this on
how to find some type of reform, because again, repealing
this is going to be a very, very sock in
the stomach to our community. I think, Rachel Madam monitor apologize,
but you've been talking about the community impact on that.
It truly will be a huge impact to our.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Community and like Commissioner Noon and had said, I really
encourage everybody to go to the website. Go to the
Allen County Auditor, Ohio website, pull up your own property
and scroll down and it's going to show you every
piece of information about your property. But very important right
now is that Pi Tart he was talking about, every
(11:14):
penny that you're paying in property tax is shown right there,
showing you exactly what your check that you wrote for
is going for. So I encourage everybody to look at
that all of that property tax stays right here in
our local community. So if when reform needs to happen,
it's going to affect our local community, but it's better
(11:38):
than a repeal.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Rachel. Final thought.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
If you could snap your fingers and say, the best
way to mitigate these big increases, would it be to
cap the valuation percentage or to cap the overall increase?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What's easiest to do.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh, easiest to do would probably be to cap the
increase that your property value increases. But I don't think
that's the most fair way. I do think we have
property values valued pretty fairly according to what sales continue
to do. But I think the most effective way is
(12:14):
probably going to be capping the increase any increases that
might be allowed on these property taxes.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, guys, we'll continue to follow this, hopefully some
good reform comes of it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Appreciate you stopping in. Thank you,
And as we do on Wednesday, we focus on Allen
County and today we have two guests, a Commissioner Corey
Noonan is here with us and Auditor Rachel Gilroy.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Guys, good morning, good morning, good morning. Good to have
you here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I guess we want to talk about property tax reform.
And part of that is based on the fact that
there's this possibility that on the ballot we could have
a property tax repeal. That's not been totally firmed up yet,
but there is a push about repealing property tax.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Isn't there Corey out there, but.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
There is, you know, there there's a discussion about that.
But you know, when when items get brought up by
the public, you know, that's one way that kind of
shines a focus on Okay, let's look at this. And
I can attest that here in Allen County that that
subject is something that I know that our auditor, our
treasurer has been looking at for many, you know, the
(01:02):
past five six years, right of what has happened here,
and we're very fortunate in Allen County to have, you know,
the elected officials that we have that work with their associations.
There really are the boots on the ground and understand
the algorithm that goes into this and really what is
meaningful reform that could happen to help benefit our constituents. So,
(01:24):
you know, while there is that discussion going on, I
will attest that that conversation has been happening in real
time here and I compliment the auditor and again our
treasurer for the work that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think, you know, the idea of trying to mitigate
to property tax increases has been something that state has
been talking about as well, but you know there's a
movement now to just repeal it. So I think what's
going on is the politicos want to show that they're
actually working on this and not just sitting around waiting
(01:59):
for it to happen. So that's your idea is we're
working on reform, is what you're saying, right, correct, right.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And that's something for the last many years here. For example,
if anybody has came to a Board of Revision hearing
and has argued their property value, that's something they would
have heard our Board of Revision say, our county treasurer,
County Commissioner myself is reach out to your legislators. We're
following the revised code as it says. But we all agree, boy,
(02:30):
our property values are high, our tax base is high.
We need to have some kind of reform out there.
And we've encouraged everybody. We already reach out to our legislators.
The people need to also to make contact with them
and stress their worry about about these types of issues.
And now the legislators, I think are paying attention, and
(02:53):
that was the goal of all of this. So now
I think we're in a great spot to have some
reform happens so we can lower lower that tax liability
out there and find ways to make things a little
bit easier.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, well, Rachel Viewer are the auditor, so you get
the fantastic job of telling people what their property has
been valued at or the appraisal or whatever you call
that officially, and that is what my property tax is
based on. Like when I go to the store, the
retail price of the goods depend determines how much tax
(03:28):
I pay. So the value of my home and my
property then figures out what my tax will be. But
the problem is people's properties, their values have been jumping, jumping, jumping,
even though we're not really benefiting from that if we
haven't sold the house or whatever. But that in turn
automatically means I'm paying a lot more in tax because
(03:51):
the valuations up.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So I take that number of times another number and
it comes out bigger. So how can you mitigate that?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Right There are some things that we're asking our legislators
to change right now. The Ohio Revice Code says, Okay
County Auditor, every three years, when you go out there
and look at properties, you need to make sure that
value is within ninety to ninety four percent of the
true market value of what that house would sell for
if it were on.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The market right now.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
The problem is, you know, you and I and Commissioner No,
and we're not selling our homes. Those are our family homes.
So we understand when people are frustrated. It's great that
that value went up, but then those taxes go along
with it. So some of the things we're putting out
there to legislators is we're going to cap that, you know,
let's cap it and make things more realistic for those
(04:42):
of us that are staying in our homes and living there.
And I do want to say, you know, our County
Treasure is doing such a great job for Allen County.
She's sitting on that governor's board to talk about property
tax reform, and she is really representing Allen County well
and bringing our concerns right there to the table to
(05:04):
the governor's ear So there are things that we're doing
every day to help support our Allen County people.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Auditor Rachel gilroys. Here, now, when you talk about a
cap that you may be proposing, here are you saying
they should cap the amount my property tax total bill
could increase per year, or cap the valuation or which
thing would get a.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Cap on it?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
We're having them look at both ideas. You know, right now,
if your property is valued at one hundred thousand, it
is assessed at thirty five percent of that value, so
your tax is based on thirty five percent. You know,
one of the ideas is to lower that percentage, you know,
lower it down to something that's much more manageable. Or
(05:52):
you know, cap the increase if our taxes, if our
values go up in three years by twenty percent, cap
that inside at three percent, or that's cap it at
the rate of inflation, or some common predictable estimator out
there that we can put in there, and you know,
so it's not a thirty five percent increase in taxes
(06:14):
that that's hard for any family to budget, for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And of course a lot of this is also the
culmination of just bad policy over the decades when it
comes to housing and regulations and getting housing built.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But that's for another discussion.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
But clearly there's been attempts before corey, right, aren't there
Somewhat Over the years, the general assemblies tried.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
To mitigate these big jumps.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And property taxes, but it proved to be I guess
not enough or ineffective, right, right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
What has happened in the past has happened, right, and
what's been debated. But I think you look at you know,
look pre twenty twenty. You know, we all those their
own houses and property taxes was something that came about.
You had to do and begrudgingly and whatnot, you did it.
To the Auditor's point, you look at the last five
years where values of going right, I mean values of
(07:06):
just going up because of the housing stock, because of
the cost, because of all these other factors that are
out there that have caused the values to go up.
And you know, the auditor does the work to go
out there and determine what those values are. The state
tells the auditor that they need to be increased, you know,
and whatnot. And we're here, right, so how do we
find some type of reform that will limit these spikes?
(07:30):
And that is where you know, the sleeves are rolled
up and truly we're working on you know, we were
talking beforehand. You know, you pick a house where you're
going to live based on the school system, if you
have young kids, or the safety services or whatnot. Just
as when you go to the gas tank or a
gas pump and you pump gas, you know that fuel
cost a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Then there's a fee on top of that, a quote
unquote tax.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know, I like to think of it as a
user fee, just the same as I think of you
know what I pay on property tax to their user fees. Right,
you're paying for some type of service, your tax bill.
And the auditor has done a great job on her
new site of showing you what all your dollars go
to that you pay in property tax, whether or not
(08:14):
it's the schools or the township or or or Senior
says that whatever the case may be, to see what services,
what entities you're paying into to help fund. And that's
a that's a critical component of this. If you repeal
that and that goes away, that goes away, that pie
chart that is on your your your your sheet for
your property, that all goes away. That's funding very important
(08:37):
services for Allen County. And and again I just want
to reiterate, you know, think of it as a user
fee right for the environment of your community.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It is true that most, if not all, the property
tax that each of us pay, we all voted on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Even if you didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Vote, I mean, it was on the ballot, like a
school have a senior citizens the majority the majority of it.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yes, some of it was placed on by elected officials,
you know, years ago. But at the end of the day,
it's a system that's been around for decades. The system
of funding these services in the manner that's there has
been here for decades. And I just in my mind,
I just look at the last really five years in
the astronomical rate of what houses have done. I bought
(09:27):
my house in twenty eighteen, and to think and to
see what houses are going for now in my neighborhood,
it's like holy cow, you know. But again, we collectively
need to work on that system, limiting that growth on
what is being charged, you know, in coming into those entities.
And I think truly all those entities that we're talking
(09:48):
about can still see how that will benefit them, even
by limiting their growth.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So Rachel mentioned contacting your state of fish. I guess
core in the political substructure here. If I wanted to
contact people to be most effective, are you talking about
my state rep And my state Senator?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Are those the people the.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Cow Unfortunately, you know, Rachel christ I commissioners. You know,
we cannot create laws or change laws. You know, we're
partners and with the state, and we're very fortunate to have,
as we talk all the time, the legislators that we
do down in Columbus. But yeah, you know, that's who
we're communicating with. And I think that it's important for
(10:32):
folks to you know, express their thoughts on this on
how to find some type of reform, because again, repealing
this is going to be a very, very sock in
the stomach to our community. I think, Rachel Madam monitor apologize,
but you've been talking about the community impact on that.
It truly will be a huge impact to our.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Community and like Commissioner Noon and had said, I really
encourage everybody to go to the website. Go to the
Allen County Auditor, Ohio website, pull up your own property
and scroll down and it's going to show you every
piece of information about your property. But very important right
now is that Pi Tart he was talking about, every
(11:14):
penny that you're paying in property tax is shown right there,
showing you exactly what your check that you wrote for
is going for. So I encourage everybody to look at
that all of that property tax stays right here in
our local community. So if when reform needs to happen,
it's going to affect our local community, but it's better
(11:38):
than a repeal.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Rachel. Final thought.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
If you could snap your fingers and say, the best
way to mitigate these big increases, would it be to
cap the valuation percentage or to cap the overall increase?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What's easiest to do.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh, easiest to do would probably be to cap the
increase that your property value increases. But I don't think
that's the most fair way. I do think we have
property values valued pretty fairly according to what sales continue
to do. But I think the most effective way is
(12:14):
probably going to be capping the increase any increases that
might be allowed on these property taxes.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
All right, guys, we'll continue to follow this, hopefully some
good reform comes of it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Appreciate you stopping in. Thank you,
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