April 19, 2025 • 16 mins
On Thursday's edition of "Lima's Morning News" Todd Walker interviewed Amie Parnes, the co-author of "Fight" Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House. She and Jonathan Allen detail the happenings with the Biden, Harris and Trump campaigns in 2024.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What happened with the Joe Biden presidency and the Kamala
Harris takeover and the Trump victory. We're going back to
the twenty twenty four presidential campaign with Amy Parnes. She
wrote the book Fight with Jonathan Allen. Of course you've
probably heard about it by now. She's been on a
lot of programs talking about the book and some revelations
(00:24):
there in Amy, thanks for taking time for.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I guess let's start at the start. I've seen a
lot of people talking about one facet of your reporting
in your book, in particular, is that during the Biden presidency,
the behind the scenes, there was a lot of planning
for if he died. Was there not?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, there was. First of all, the Democratic National Committee
had been planning for a scenario where either he became
incapacitated or he died, so there was a plan in
place there. And then we learned that the communications director
for Kamala Harris had also set up a spreadsheet of
(01:09):
sorts of Republican judges because he felt like if something
happened to President Biden and he passed away and Kamala
Harris had to be sworn in she needed some validation
from Republican judges, and so he carried around a spreadsheet
of every single Republican judge around the country.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's an interesting angle there. As we talk with author
Amy Parnes, the book is Fight Inside the Wildest Battle
for the White House. Of course, last year's presidential campaign.
I guess what was finally or who finally made the
decision to push Biden aside. I guess technically he had
to make the decision, but who were the players behind
(01:52):
the scenes that ultimately shift Biden.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, so I think Nancy Pelosi, the former House Speaker,
was one of them. She was very public about trying
to get him to step aside, and also she worked
behind the scenes to do so as well. She was
talking to donors, she was talking to lawmakers who were
expressing frustration to her about possibly losing House races. And
(02:17):
she worked behind the scenes talking to his advisors, the
President's advisors, and expressed her concern and also took her
concern directly to President Biden at the time, and finally,
I think he was left with no choice but to
get out of the race. And also behind the scenes,
also former President Barack Obama was also talking to lawmakers
(02:42):
and was potentially floating the idea of an open primary
or a contest because he wasn't so convinced that Kamala
Harris could win.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, I think that was the other part of this.
They really had to lose lose situation. I'm sure they
were scheming to try to come up with some way
to both push Biden out and avoid running Kamala. Ultimately,
they sort of ran out of time to pull that off,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Correct They had one hundred and seventies and as we
all know, that's not a lot of time in politics.
And you know what's interesting, though, is that Kamala Harris
and her aides believe that if she did have more
time that she could have won. We don't know if
that's if that would definitely have happened, but that's their
theory the case. Right now, let's.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Talk about the infamous debate as we visit with author
Amy Parnes. The book is called Fight Inside, the Wildest
Battle for the White House. She wrote it along with
Jonathan Allen. I assume it was Joe himself that made
the ill fated decision to go and do that debate,
because I think at the time, a lot of the
conventional wisdom was he may not even need to do it,
(03:52):
and he certainly shouldn't do it, right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and Nancy Pelosi, actually the aforementioned Nancy Pelissi went
to and said, you know, why would you belittle yourself
and appear on stage with him?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But I think in.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Retrospect, what she was probably trying to tell him was
she was probably trying to issue a warning of sorts
to him that maybe he shouldn't do it. But his
advisors felt like they needed to to kind of reset
the race, to change the trajectory for Biden, because he
had been losing at the time according to their internal
polls and external polls, so they wanted to do something
(04:28):
to kind of change up the race a bit, and
that's where they all landed. Of course, I think some
people didn't think that was a good idea on his team,
but eventually he came to the decision that he had
to go, that it was the right move for him,
and that's why they landed on it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, then, of course they make the move to Kamala
Harris and one of the things there that I think
you talk about is the vice presidential selection. They bring
in Tim Walls talk about how that played out and
ultimately that was not a great pick. I guess no.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, I think in retrospect they probably maybe regret
the decision. But at the time they were left between
a couple of choices, Josh Shapiro being one of them.
But her advisors were a little concerned that he was
a little too politically ambitious and might not be a
good fit for her. And you remember, at the time,
(05:26):
the Democratic Party was already fractured and they were dealing
with the issue of Israel, and they didn't want to
further fracture the party picking Josh Shapiro, who was Jewish,
and so I think that was another another factor in
their decision. But when they did ultimately pick Tim Walls,
(05:47):
aides told us that, you know, he was really really
nervous about his debate, his vice presidential debate against Jade Vance,
and he couldn't eat and he couldn't sleep, and it
was it was a real problem for him. And I
think we kind of saw that play out on the
debate stage that night as well.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Amy Parns as a senior political correspondent for The Hill.
She's the co author of the book fight with Jonathan
Allen all about the twenty four campaign. I guess the
big question is, and what conclusion in your mind is there,
did Joe Biden sabotage Harris or was he just continuing
to be bumbling Biden.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I think he did sabotage her, And that's sort of
what a lot of our sources told us in this book.
A lot of Democrats are still to this day very
angry at him for refusing to step aside and then
stepping aside so late in the game. And that's why
you're seeing a lot of arrows kind of directed at
his team right now. For you know, there is a
(06:49):
lot of anger for among Democrats for sort of kind
of keeping him covered up and deluting themselves into thinking
that this was a viable option. And so and I
continue and I continue to hear from Democrats who are
still really angry about it. And I don't think that
that will go away anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Aman. We all know that Biden was practically a vegetation
there in the White House, but on a day to
day basis, how much work was it for his staff
and others to make it. I guess that keep up
the facade that he could function talk about some of
the minutia things they had to do day to day.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, so we learned in our book that when he
traveled overseas, for example, he had to he had a
makeup artist meet him. That was sort of the first
order of business for him every day. So we know
that they were obviously concerned about age and in the
optics of his age. And you know, we also report
in the book that during fundraisers, donors were concerned seeing
(07:58):
him kind of trail off and not be able to
finish his sentences. We detail in one fundraiser that at
Governor Murphy's house, the governor of New Jersey, he appeared
before a couple dozen donors and it's a small setting
and he needs for us in tape on the floor
to kind of guide him from place to place. He
also needs a teleprompter, which is very rare for an
(08:20):
event like that. I mean, most politicians just rely on
teleprompters for large events that arenas. And you know, he
had a lot of various crutches we learned throughout the
book that sort of aided him and guided him throughout
his presidency.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, you know, interestingly, the book fight you also deal
with the Trump side of this equation, and I think
the first thing that people might be interested in is
how he handled Biden's utter collapse right in front of
him and then having to really change his tack when
they booted Biden and brought in another candidate. That's a
big shift for a campaign organization, right it really was.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And we detail just as I know that the Democratic
side is getting a lot of the train wreck is
getting a lot of attention right now on the airwaves,
but I you know, we do have quite a bit
of behind the scenes on the Trump side as well.
And you know, we detail what he was thinking, for example,
on debate night on stage, and what he was thinking
(09:22):
as he's watching Biden implode, and what he does is
something that might surprise a lot of people. Instead of
really hammering him and going after him, kind of reined
it in. And because he doesn't want to be seen
as someone who is hitting him relentlessly when he's when
he's kind of collapsing on stage verbally, and so he
(09:43):
does he tells himself, if I do that, then it's
not going to look good. You know, this is someone
who's very sensitive and concerned with optics all the time
and how he's perceived, and he did not want to
be perceived as someone who was completely trashing him, So
we detail all of that in the book as well,
and then you're right, he does have to kind of
(10:04):
hivot when Kamala Harris takes over. There's a little frustration
in the beginning we report out according to his aids
because they didn't see that coming, and there's sort of
a need for Trump to, you know, he doesn't know
if he should rely on an old cast of characters,
(10:25):
if you will, people who guided him in the past,
or if he should continue to rely upon the two
top aids that were guiding the campaign, Chris Losovita and
Susie Wilds. And what he ends up doing is is
doing something that is very not like him.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But he.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Chooses the disciplined campaign rather than you know, the usual
campaign of chaos that he had in sixteen and in twenty.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I wonder on what your book reports and what you
found dealing with the assassination attempt, the one where he
was actually struck with the bullet had scraped his ear.
What kind of reporting in your book do you have
on that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We take you behind the scenes. We do a sort
of play by play if you will, or we take
you into the tragic, the tragic events that day, how
it happened, how it unfolded. We take you inside the
hospital room. What Susy Wilds, who I just mentioned before,
his campaign chair, was thinking when when she's talking to him,
(11:29):
and then in the aftermath, what what he's like, who
he's talking to It's it's really interesting read and has
a lot of this has not ever been reported before,
and you can really see the tragedy and also what
he's thinking, his age are thinking in the days after
this tragedy.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We're talking about Amy Parnes. The book is called Fight
Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House. She and
Jonathan Allen wrote it take me to the late stages
of the life. Then you had some interesting revelations about
the internal polling from the Harris campaign. They thought it
was going to be a tie. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, they were looking at numbers that were super close.
But also they led them to believe. They led Harris
and Wals to believe that they were going to win.
That night, they went into that you think, thinking they
were going to win, which is a pretty big bombshell
in the book, and we kind of talk about how
but you know, we also detail the two ads that
(12:33):
sort of were the nails and the coffin for the
Harris campaign, and one was the trans ad that Trump
ran in the final days and weeks of the campaign,
and another ad where Kamala Harris seeks on the view
and they ran that one. But the trans ad was
probably the most effective political ad of the last several cycles,
(12:55):
and it caught Bill Clinton's attention, and we have Bill
Clinton's reaction to it. He's calling the campaign frustrated because
he's watching the ad and he's hearing from people on
ropelines and at events, and frustration is building about why
the Harris campaign isn't responding to that ad. And I
think that is that was one of the reasons in
(13:17):
the end that President Trump's campaign was able to really
make the case and convince people that, you know, I
think the ad was largely effective.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, Amy, take me then to election night as things
are starting to come into focus and it appears that
Trump is going to win. Uh, there was no concession
that night to talk about some of the pressures or
some of the machinations of election night as it drug
on into the AM.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, so we take you inside mar A Lago. As
President Trump is getting antsy. He keeps kind of ducking
into where a war room has been set up there
and he wants to figure out if he's winning. His
aides tell him everything is looking good, and we detail
exactly what's going on there, and at the same time,
we take you, you know, to Washington and Kamala Harris
(14:11):
has various camps, set up a war room in a
hotel in Washington, another one you know at a separate location,
and also aids gathered at her house at the Navel Observatory,
and we take you inside what they're experiencing and the
frustration that is mounting inside that inside those locations, and
(14:33):
as I mentioned, she goes into that evening thinking that
she's going to win, and when they tell her, she's
completely dumbfounded and still is Tim Wallas and we take
you inside his hotel room as well, and he has
no words, his wife has to essentially speak for him,
and so all of this kind of plays out, and
then she ends up not conceding as we all know,
(14:54):
until the next day, and we take you inside the
concession call and how I don't want to give any
more away, But all right, they essentially had to put
two phones up together to talk to One AID had
President Trump on one phone and one AID had Kamala
Harris on the other phone, and they had to talk
(15:14):
that way, and we detail that conversation as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The book is called Fight, and there are so many
nuggets in this that we couldn't possibly do all the spoilers. Amy,
It's a tremendous reporting and it's meticulous, and I guess,
just to close it out, what was the most surprising
or revelatory thing that you learned about Trump or or
Harris or Biden through this investigating the book.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean, we all saw this play out, so we
know the outlines of this race. But what this book
does is it takes you inside, so you learn exactly
what was going on on both sides. And I think,
you know, we write these books that Pele will learn
from them and obviously learn from what happened in the past,
that you can also look forward and see the good
(16:03):
things that the Trump campaign did to build upon and
the things that Democrats can definitely improve upon. So it's
almost a playbook for Republicans and Democrats looking forward.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Amy Parnes is the co author of Fight Inside, the
Wildest Battle for the White House. Find it today on
Amazon or at your local bookstore. It's already a bestseller. Amy.
We appreciate your time, a great reporting, interesting insight, and
I'm sure you deserve a little downtime after all that work.
Thanks for joining us, Thank you
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So much for having me
What happened with the Joe Biden presidency and the Kamala
Harris takeover and the Trump victory. We're going back to
the twenty twenty four presidential campaign with Amy Parnes. She
wrote the book Fight with Jonathan Allen. Of course you've
probably heard about it by now. She's been on a
lot of programs talking about the book and some revelations
(00:24):
there in Amy, thanks for taking time for.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I guess let's start at the start. I've seen a
lot of people talking about one facet of your reporting
in your book, in particular, is that during the Biden presidency,
the behind the scenes, there was a lot of planning
for if he died. Was there not?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yes, there was. First of all, the Democratic National Committee
had been planning for a scenario where either he became
incapacitated or he died, so there was a plan in
place there. And then we learned that the communications director
for Kamala Harris had also set up a spreadsheet of
(01:09):
sorts of Republican judges because he felt like if something
happened to President Biden and he passed away and Kamala
Harris had to be sworn in she needed some validation
from Republican judges, and so he carried around a spreadsheet
of every single Republican judge around the country.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's an interesting angle there. As we talk with author
Amy Parnes, the book is Fight Inside the Wildest Battle
for the White House. Of course, last year's presidential campaign.
I guess what was finally or who finally made the
decision to push Biden aside. I guess technically he had
to make the decision, but who were the players behind
(01:52):
the scenes that ultimately shift Biden.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, so I think Nancy Pelosi, the former House Speaker,
was one of them. She was very public about trying
to get him to step aside, and also she worked
behind the scenes to do so as well. She was
talking to donors, she was talking to lawmakers who were
expressing frustration to her about possibly losing House races. And
(02:17):
she worked behind the scenes talking to his advisors, the
President's advisors, and expressed her concern and also took her
concern directly to President Biden at the time, and finally,
I think he was left with no choice but to
get out of the race. And also behind the scenes,
also former President Barack Obama was also talking to lawmakers
(02:42):
and was potentially floating the idea of an open primary
or a contest because he wasn't so convinced that Kamala
Harris could win.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, I think that was the other part of this.
They really had to lose lose situation. I'm sure they
were scheming to try to come up with some way
to both push Biden out and avoid running Kamala. Ultimately,
they sort of ran out of time to pull that off,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Correct They had one hundred and seventies and as we
all know, that's not a lot of time in politics.
And you know what's interesting, though, is that Kamala Harris
and her aides believe that if she did have more
time that she could have won. We don't know if
that's if that would definitely have happened, but that's their
theory the case. Right now, let's.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Talk about the infamous debate as we visit with author
Amy Parnes. The book is called Fight Inside, the Wildest
Battle for the White House. She wrote it along with
Jonathan Allen. I assume it was Joe himself that made
the ill fated decision to go and do that debate,
because I think at the time, a lot of the
conventional wisdom was he may not even need to do it,
(03:52):
and he certainly shouldn't do it, right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, and Nancy Pelosi, actually the aforementioned Nancy Pelissi went
to and said, you know, why would you belittle yourself
and appear on stage with him?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But I think in.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Retrospect, what she was probably trying to tell him was
she was probably trying to issue a warning of sorts
to him that maybe he shouldn't do it. But his
advisors felt like they needed to to kind of reset
the race, to change the trajectory for Biden, because he
had been losing at the time according to their internal
polls and external polls, so they wanted to do something
(04:28):
to kind of change up the race a bit, and
that's where they all landed. Of course, I think some
people didn't think that was a good idea on his team,
but eventually he came to the decision that he had
to go, that it was the right move for him,
and that's why they landed on it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, then, of course they make the move to Kamala
Harris and one of the things there that I think
you talk about is the vice presidential selection. They bring
in Tim Walls talk about how that played out and
ultimately that was not a great pick. I guess no.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean, I think in retrospect they probably maybe regret
the decision. But at the time they were left between
a couple of choices, Josh Shapiro being one of them.
But her advisors were a little concerned that he was
a little too politically ambitious and might not be a
good fit for her. And you remember, at the time,
(05:26):
the Democratic Party was already fractured and they were dealing
with the issue of Israel, and they didn't want to
further fracture the party picking Josh Shapiro, who was Jewish,
and so I think that was another another factor in
their decision. But when they did ultimately pick Tim Walls,
(05:47):
aides told us that, you know, he was really really
nervous about his debate, his vice presidential debate against Jade Vance,
and he couldn't eat and he couldn't sleep, and it
was it was a real problem for him. And I
think we kind of saw that play out on the
debate stage that night as well.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Amy Parns as a senior political correspondent for The Hill.
She's the co author of the book fight with Jonathan
Allen all about the twenty four campaign. I guess the
big question is, and what conclusion in your mind is there,
did Joe Biden sabotage Harris or was he just continuing
to be bumbling Biden.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I think he did sabotage her, And that's sort of
what a lot of our sources told us in this book.
A lot of Democrats are still to this day very
angry at him for refusing to step aside and then
stepping aside so late in the game. And that's why
you're seeing a lot of arrows kind of directed at
his team right now. For you know, there is a
(06:49):
lot of anger for among Democrats for sort of kind
of keeping him covered up and deluting themselves into thinking
that this was a viable option. And so and I
continue and I continue to hear from Democrats who are
still really angry about it. And I don't think that
that will go away anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Aman. We all know that Biden was practically a vegetation
there in the White House, but on a day to
day basis, how much work was it for his staff
and others to make it. I guess that keep up
the facade that he could function talk about some of
the minutia things they had to do day to day.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, so we learned in our book that when he
traveled overseas, for example, he had to he had a
makeup artist meet him. That was sort of the first
order of business for him every day. So we know
that they were obviously concerned about age and in the
optics of his age. And you know, we also report
in the book that during fundraisers, donors were concerned seeing
(07:58):
him kind of trail off and not be able to
finish his sentences. We detail in one fundraiser that at
Governor Murphy's house, the governor of New Jersey, he appeared
before a couple dozen donors and it's a small setting
and he needs for us in tape on the floor
to kind of guide him from place to place. He
also needs a teleprompter, which is very rare for an
(08:20):
event like that. I mean, most politicians just rely on
teleprompters for large events that arenas. And you know, he
had a lot of various crutches we learned throughout the
book that sort of aided him and guided him throughout
his presidency.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, you know, interestingly, the book fight you also deal
with the Trump side of this equation, and I think
the first thing that people might be interested in is
how he handled Biden's utter collapse right in front of
him and then having to really change his tack when
they booted Biden and brought in another candidate. That's a
big shift for a campaign organization, right it really was.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And we detail just as I know that the Democratic
side is getting a lot of the train wreck is
getting a lot of attention right now on the airwaves,
but I you know, we do have quite a bit
of behind the scenes on the Trump side as well.
And you know, we detail what he was thinking, for example,
on debate night on stage, and what he was thinking
(09:22):
as he's watching Biden implode, and what he does is
something that might surprise a lot of people. Instead of
really hammering him and going after him, kind of reined
it in. And because he doesn't want to be seen
as someone who is hitting him relentlessly when he's when
he's kind of collapsing on stage verbally, and so he
(09:43):
does he tells himself, if I do that, then it's
not going to look good. You know, this is someone
who's very sensitive and concerned with optics all the time
and how he's perceived, and he did not want to
be perceived as someone who was completely trashing him, So
we detail all of that in the book as well,
and then you're right, he does have to kind of
(10:04):
hivot when Kamala Harris takes over. There's a little frustration
in the beginning we report out according to his aids
because they didn't see that coming, and there's sort of
a need for Trump to, you know, he doesn't know
if he should rely on an old cast of characters,
(10:25):
if you will, people who guided him in the past,
or if he should continue to rely upon the two
top aids that were guiding the campaign, Chris Losovita and
Susie Wilds. And what he ends up doing is is
doing something that is very not like him.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But he.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Chooses the disciplined campaign rather than you know, the usual
campaign of chaos that he had in sixteen and in twenty.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I wonder on what your book reports and what you
found dealing with the assassination attempt, the one where he
was actually struck with the bullet had scraped his ear.
What kind of reporting in your book do you have
on that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We take you behind the scenes. We do a sort
of play by play if you will, or we take
you into the tragic, the tragic events that day, how
it happened, how it unfolded. We take you inside the
hospital room. What Susy Wilds, who I just mentioned before,
his campaign chair, was thinking when when she's talking to him,
(11:29):
and then in the aftermath, what what he's like, who
he's talking to It's it's really interesting read and has
a lot of this has not ever been reported before,
and you can really see the tragedy and also what
he's thinking, his age are thinking in the days after
this tragedy.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We're talking about Amy Parnes. The book is called Fight
Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House. She and
Jonathan Allen wrote it take me to the late stages
of the life. Then you had some interesting revelations about
the internal polling from the Harris campaign. They thought it
was going to be a tie. Is that right?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, they were looking at numbers that were super close.
But also they led them to believe. They led Harris
and Wals to believe that they were going to win.
That night, they went into that you think, thinking they
were going to win, which is a pretty big bombshell
in the book, and we kind of talk about how
but you know, we also detail the two ads that
(12:33):
sort of were the nails and the coffin for the
Harris campaign, and one was the trans ad that Trump
ran in the final days and weeks of the campaign,
and another ad where Kamala Harris seeks on the view
and they ran that one. But the trans ad was
probably the most effective political ad of the last several cycles,
(12:55):
and it caught Bill Clinton's attention, and we have Bill
Clinton's reaction to it. He's calling the campaign frustrated because
he's watching the ad and he's hearing from people on
ropelines and at events, and frustration is building about why
the Harris campaign isn't responding to that ad. And I
think that is that was one of the reasons in
(13:17):
the end that President Trump's campaign was able to really
make the case and convince people that, you know, I
think the ad was largely effective.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, Amy, take me then to election night as things
are starting to come into focus and it appears that
Trump is going to win. Uh, there was no concession
that night to talk about some of the pressures or
some of the machinations of election night as it drug
on into the AM.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, so we take you inside mar A Lago. As
President Trump is getting antsy. He keeps kind of ducking
into where a war room has been set up there
and he wants to figure out if he's winning. His
aides tell him everything is looking good, and we detail
exactly what's going on there, and at the same time,
we take you, you know, to Washington and Kamala Harris
(14:11):
has various camps, set up a war room in a
hotel in Washington, another one you know at a separate location,
and also aids gathered at her house at the Navel Observatory,
and we take you inside what they're experiencing and the
frustration that is mounting inside that inside those locations, and
(14:33):
as I mentioned, she goes into that evening thinking that
she's going to win, and when they tell her, she's
completely dumbfounded and still is Tim Wallas and we take
you inside his hotel room as well, and he has
no words, his wife has to essentially speak for him,
and so all of this kind of plays out, and
then she ends up not conceding as we all know,
(14:54):
until the next day, and we take you inside the
concession call and how I don't want to give any
more away, But all right, they essentially had to put
two phones up together to talk to One AID had
President Trump on one phone and one AID had Kamala
Harris on the other phone, and they had to talk
(15:14):
that way, and we detail that conversation as well. Well.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The book is called Fight, and there are so many
nuggets in this that we couldn't possibly do all the spoilers. Amy,
It's a tremendous reporting and it's meticulous, and I guess,
just to close it out, what was the most surprising
or revelatory thing that you learned about Trump or or
Harris or Biden through this investigating the book.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean, we all saw this play out, so we
know the outlines of this race. But what this book
does is it takes you inside, so you learn exactly
what was going on on both sides. And I think,
you know, we write these books that Pele will learn
from them and obviously learn from what happened in the past,
that you can also look forward and see the good
(16:03):
things that the Trump campaign did to build upon and
the things that Democrats can definitely improve upon. So it's
almost a playbook for Republicans and Democrats looking forward.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Amy Parnes is the co author of Fight Inside, the
Wildest Battle for the White House. Find it today on
Amazon or at your local bookstore. It's already a bestseller. Amy.
We appreciate your time, a great reporting, interesting insight, and
I'm sure you deserve a little downtime after all that work.
Thanks for joining us, Thank you
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So much for having me
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