May 9, 2025 • 7 mins
Attorney Jeremey Rosenthal joined Todd Walker Friday morning to discuss some high profile cases including Luigi and Top Gun Maverick.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal checks in with us now, and we
are going to start with a very high profile case.
Luigi Mangioni is, of course, the man who allegedly walked
up to a CEO of a healthcare company, Brian Thompson,
and shot him in the back on the streets of
New York. He's being prosecuted, I guess by the state
(00:22):
and the Fed's Jeremy, and he wants one of them dropped. Apparently.
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Right? You say, allegedly, I'm gonna go on a limb
and say it's him. Yeah, I know I shouldn't. I know,
I know I shouldn't, but I must go ahead and
say it's him. But right, his lawyers have made a
double jeopardy claim which is actually pretty interesting, and it's
(00:49):
it's it's not gonna work. But think of it like this.
We have dual sovereignty. Right in Ohio. You have the
state of Ohio that auburn. You have the federal government
that's a sovereign. There is a dual sovereignty doctrine that
the Supreme Court has adopted which says, in essence, the
(01:11):
federal government can prosecute you for the same thing as
the state, and it is not double jeopardy. What Manny's
lawyers are saying, though, is that New York State actually
has a provision which says, in New York State, if
the Feds prosecute you, we won't. So they're kind of
(01:35):
right in that. Now, the states can give you more
protection than the federal government than the Phillip rights. They
can't give you less, but they can give you more.
And in this instance, New York State protects you more
than say, Texas will. And I've not seen any other
(01:57):
states that have a similar provision. I doubt Ohhi does.
But look, it's a play that they're drawing up in
the sand. It's like me, it's like the coach saying,
all right, Jeremy, you guard Lebron dark Jordan organ to
win this right now. I don't know your basketball skills are, Todd,
(02:18):
I probably am not going to shut Lebron out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, okay, we're we're in trouble with that arrangement. Yeah. So,
interestingly enough, there have been a lot of idiots have
donated to this guy's legal defense fund, and then there
are some people that think he's some kind of hero.
Of course, those people would be called idiots. But be
that as it may. We'll see how long of a
(02:42):
sentence he gets eventually when he is convicted. Let's talk
about another case. Oh, we love talking about movies and lawsuits.
Paramount is being sued by the cousin of a writer
for the last Top Gun movie who alleges he co
wrote the screenplay. These are always fascinating and usually a
(03:04):
lot of minutia involved here, right right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This guy is a cousin and he claims that he
wrote some scenes in the new Top Gun Maverick, which
a very mixed feelings taught about Top Gun Maverick. I mean,
I don't know why you got to mess with what
was never broken. I mean I kind of feel like
Top Gun original was as American as it gets. Yeah,
(03:28):
then why do we need another one? Did we? I mean, okay,
it was the legal segment, right, So, I mean, look,
the guy said that he wrote part of it. He
didn't have a contract with with Paramount. He didn't have
any what you would call privity of contract with them.
But what he's anytime you write something it's copyrighted. Uh, Now,
(03:52):
it's not protected unless you filed for it with the
government and probably, Probably they settle with them. Probably he
gets some money out of this, and maybe some substantial money,
you know. I mean, it was obviously a pretty successful film,
so it may be worth it to him to try
to try to beat the drum here.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I mean, why not try and hone in on
the big blockbuster gate that they got box office? You know,
there's a lot of dollars here, so I guess. So
we'll see if he's able to cash in. The final
case we talked with Jeremy Rosenthal about today is this
person that was released a Columbia University student a palace
(04:37):
I'm Austinian who was protesting against Israel on campus. Immigration
arrested him. Apparently he's been a legal permanent resident for
ten years. What's going on with this case here?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Right, he was released. He showed up for his naturalization meeting. Right,
He's trying to become a full, full citizen, and that's
where they picked him up. Yeah, so they picked him up.
And you got to understand, folks have to understand just
how complex our immigration system is. We don't have a
lot of folks think that you're either legal or you're illegal.
(05:13):
And maybe there's something in the middle. There's twenty things
in the middle. Right, you can have a bunch of
different statuses. You can be here on a student visa.
You can be here because you are really good at
baseball or soccer. I mean, you could be here because
you're a you know, for a number of reasons. And
(05:34):
how the government treats you and how they're able to
get rid of you if they don't like you is
also really really different. And in this instance, basically, when
you've got a guy who's been a legal permanent resident
for ten years, doesn't have a violent past. I mean,
he organized a lot of protests you didn't like, and
I get that what he said and what he did
was unpopular, But the federal court came back and said,
(05:56):
that's not enough to detain this guy. Now he made
the government may may try some different ways to try
to deny his naturalization, but when you're just targeting his speech,
that's a really uphill battle for the government.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I guess the other way that could have went
about it as if he was being disruptive or I
guess in a way criminal by you know, impeding people
on campus or something like that. Is that an angle
they might try, right.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right, if you're if the conduct is such that that
is that is that he's committed some crimes, and that
there's some other factors like that, then yes, and we've
talked about this before, Todd, that that conduct and speech
are not the same thing. Right to test on campus,
to say I am pro Palestine, to say that that's
(06:47):
one thing, to that speech. Blocking the road is not speech,
or or or vandalizing is not speech. That's conduct. And
so the trick here, if the government wants to remove
this person, they're gonna have to They're gonna have to
show something more than just words, something more than just
even organizing. They're gonna have to show that there was
(07:11):
some that there was some conduct here that was criminal.
Uh and uh and and and if the government wants
them out bad enough that they're gonna have to do
some digging.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal a legal segment with us. Jeremy,
thanks for checking in always, Todd, have a great week.
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal checks in with us now, and we
are going to start with a very high profile case.
Luigi Mangioni is, of course, the man who allegedly walked
up to a CEO of a healthcare company, Brian Thompson,
and shot him in the back on the streets of
New York. He's being prosecuted, I guess by the state
(00:22):
and the Fed's Jeremy, and he wants one of them dropped. Apparently.
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Right? You say, allegedly, I'm gonna go on a limb
and say it's him. Yeah, I know I shouldn't. I know,
I know I shouldn't, but I must go ahead and
say it's him. But right, his lawyers have made a
double jeopardy claim which is actually pretty interesting, and it's
(00:49):
it's it's not gonna work. But think of it like this.
We have dual sovereignty. Right in Ohio. You have the
state of Ohio that auburn. You have the federal government
that's a sovereign. There is a dual sovereignty doctrine that
the Supreme Court has adopted which says, in essence, the
(01:11):
federal government can prosecute you for the same thing as
the state, and it is not double jeopardy. What Manny's
lawyers are saying, though, is that New York State actually
has a provision which says, in New York State, if
the Feds prosecute you, we won't. So they're kind of
(01:35):
right in that. Now, the states can give you more
protection than the federal government than the Phillip rights. They
can't give you less, but they can give you more.
And in this instance, New York State protects you more
than say, Texas will. And I've not seen any other
(01:57):
states that have a similar provision. I doubt Ohhi does.
But look, it's a play that they're drawing up in
the sand. It's like me, it's like the coach saying,
all right, Jeremy, you guard Lebron dark Jordan organ to
win this right now. I don't know your basketball skills are, Todd,
(02:18):
I probably am not going to shut Lebron out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
No, okay, we're we're in trouble with that arrangement. Yeah. So,
interestingly enough, there have been a lot of idiots have
donated to this guy's legal defense fund, and then there
are some people that think he's some kind of hero.
Of course, those people would be called idiots. But be
that as it may. We'll see how long of a
(02:42):
sentence he gets eventually when he is convicted. Let's talk
about another case. Oh, we love talking about movies and lawsuits.
Paramount is being sued by the cousin of a writer
for the last Top Gun movie who alleges he co
wrote the screenplay. These are always fascinating and usually a
(03:04):
lot of minutia involved here, right right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This guy is a cousin and he claims that he
wrote some scenes in the new Top Gun Maverick, which
a very mixed feelings taught about Top Gun Maverick. I mean,
I don't know why you got to mess with what
was never broken. I mean I kind of feel like
Top Gun original was as American as it gets. Yeah,
(03:28):
then why do we need another one? Did we? I mean, okay,
it was the legal segment, right, So, I mean, look,
the guy said that he wrote part of it. He
didn't have a contract with with Paramount. He didn't have
any what you would call privity of contract with them.
But what he's anytime you write something it's copyrighted. Uh, Now,
(03:52):
it's not protected unless you filed for it with the
government and probably, Probably they settle with them. Probably he
gets some money out of this, and maybe some substantial money,
you know. I mean, it was obviously a pretty successful film,
so it may be worth it to him to try
to try to beat the drum here.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I mean, why not try and hone in on
the big blockbuster gate that they got box office? You know,
there's a lot of dollars here, so I guess. So
we'll see if he's able to cash in. The final
case we talked with Jeremy Rosenthal about today is this
person that was released a Columbia University student a palace
(04:37):
I'm Austinian who was protesting against Israel on campus. Immigration
arrested him. Apparently he's been a legal permanent resident for
ten years. What's going on with this case here?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Right, he was released. He showed up for his naturalization meeting. Right,
He's trying to become a full, full citizen, and that's
where they picked him up. Yeah, so they picked him up.
And you got to understand, folks have to understand just
how complex our immigration system is. We don't have a
lot of folks think that you're either legal or you're illegal.
(05:13):
And maybe there's something in the middle. There's twenty things
in the middle. Right, you can have a bunch of
different statuses. You can be here on a student visa.
You can be here because you are really good at
baseball or soccer. I mean, you could be here because
you're a you know, for a number of reasons. And
(05:34):
how the government treats you and how they're able to
get rid of you if they don't like you is
also really really different. And in this instance, basically, when
you've got a guy who's been a legal permanent resident
for ten years, doesn't have a violent past. I mean,
he organized a lot of protests you didn't like, and
I get that what he said and what he did
was unpopular, But the federal court came back and said,
(05:56):
that's not enough to detain this guy. Now he made
the government may may try some different ways to try
to deny his naturalization, but when you're just targeting his speech,
that's a really uphill battle for the government.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I guess the other way that could have went
about it as if he was being disruptive or I
guess in a way criminal by you know, impeding people
on campus or something like that. Is that an angle
they might try, right.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Right, if you're if the conduct is such that that
is that is that he's committed some crimes, and that
there's some other factors like that, then yes, and we've
talked about this before, Todd, that that conduct and speech
are not the same thing. Right to test on campus,
to say I am pro Palestine, to say that that's
(06:47):
one thing, to that speech. Blocking the road is not speech,
or or or vandalizing is not speech. That's conduct. And
so the trick here, if the government wants to remove
this person, they're gonna have to They're gonna have to
show something more than just words, something more than just
even organizing. They're gonna have to show that there was
(07:11):
some that there was some conduct here that was criminal.
Uh and uh and and and if the government wants
them out bad enough that they're gonna have to do
some digging.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
That's Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal a legal segment with us. Jeremy,
thanks for checking in always, Todd, have a great week.
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