July 31, 2025 • 14 mins
Teri and Ella Macduff join Lisa in the studio to share their story and how they created a very special journal called Let’s Get Real. After a traumatic experience the mother daughter pair decided they wanted to help people get their thoughts on paper and learn more about themselves at the same time. With different prompts to follow their journal will help people turn their self-reflection into action. Follow them on IG and TikTok @ chasingredflagsofficial or see their website www.chasingredflags.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into Lisa's book Club podcasts. And I have two
very special people in studio with me. I have Terry
and Ella, and now Terry and Ella are a mother
daughter team. Right we are.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are so excited that you guys are here and
that we have live guests now for our podcast. But
the reason why you guys are here is because you've
teamed up as mother daughter authors to write a journal
slash book called Let's Get Real We have Yeah, Okay,
so I want to know how did this idea? How
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did you guys come up with us?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So it started about two years ago. I think we've
always both journaled. You can start about your diaries.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But I have always journaled. And every time that I've
had a journal, I'll do a week, or I'll do
two weeks, and then I'll forget a day, and if
it's dated and I miss a day, I'll feel really
bad and then I will put it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
In a drawer and never do it again.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Or some of the other journals I've had just have
blank pages with no guidance, and I would complete a
page or two and just not really feel any better
or like I learned anything about myself, and so our
goal when creating this journal was to really make it
something that people could utilize and gain more insight about
who they are.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So the mission of journaling is, and the mission of
what you're doing with your Chasing red Flags website is
to promote authenticity and mental awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, so Chasing Red Flags really started because Ella kept
a lot of things hidden, okay, and I kept a
lot of things hidden that we were going through and
we both discussed it and talked about how society demands
perfection and wouldn't it be great to start a business
and a brand and a mental wellness movement really to
(01:49):
tell people that it's okay to have flaws and red
flags because we all have them. And instead of pointing
out everyone else's with cancel culture and everything that goes on,
why don't we look within at ourselves and say, what
are our own red flags? And how do we communicate
with others and respond to others based on what we
know about ourselves? And that's really how it started.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So instead of avoiding the red flags, you say, lean into.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That, Lean into that because everyone has them. Nobody doesn't
have any red flags and they can be So.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Let's talk about like, what's your red flag, Terry.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So I have a couple.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I'm sure I have hundreds, right, But the ones that
I've been told and I've noticed about myself is that
I tend to have no filter, so I tend to
speak before I breathe and think about what I'm going
to say because I'm just really straightforward and honest, and
that's not always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I also am incredibly defensive.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So it's based on how I grew up, and I've
learned that through journaling and answering questions and realizing, oh wait,
I am really defensive and this is why.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I've been able to lean into my red flags.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And say some of them are just innately me, but
some of them I can work on a little bit,
and I can also communicate to someone else that this
is what mine is. So if I'm being defensive, feel
free to call me out on it, which has made
relationships that I've had so much better.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I have done the same thing.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I have learned that one of my red flags is
that I'm a big people pleaser and I put other
people before myself.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And yes, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Looking at another one, right, So I've learned a lot
about that through journaling, and that personally is something I
feel like I can improve on. And so the process
of journaling and what we've created has helped me with that.
And then I also am extremely anxious, and so that
can be a red flag decay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I like the same.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I need a lot of reassurance. I need like that
so seriously, but I really need that reassurance. I'm anxious.
I like I ask things five times just to hear
the same answer over and over, and to some people
that can be very annoying and seen as a red flag.
So in a lot of my friendships these days, I say,
just so you know, I'm probably gonna ask if you're
mad at me five times and don't get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's literally just my anxiety.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And all my friends just are like, Ella, like we
love you, we know that's just you, so like it's okay.
Just letting them know and like prepping them for the
way that I am has made my relationships stronger.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So let's get to the journal, okay, called let's get real.
Authenticity begins here. How long did this project take for
you guys to complete?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean, from start to finish, probably around two years.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It started before not that long.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
No, it started before we knew it was starting. I
think because Ella had always diaried and journaled and I
had always written. We came up with prompts and things
that we thought would make sense in a journal before
we realized that's what we were doing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, so you're encouraging people, like the page fifteen is
chapter one. Let's get real, ditch the mask. So then
you offer people you have prompt questions, So this one
is when do you feel most like the real you?
And then there's space for you to write down your
answer to that, and and then you give prompts so
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that people can actually read what they wrote, but then
also make real life sort of like a I don't
know what you'd call it, like a plan of action
of action.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yes, so we wrote it with takeaways in mind. So
we basically have twelve different themes throughout the journal, which
is a lot of themes that most journals don't have.
They're more focus. We felt like when you focus on
all twelve, things that would be more helpful.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And each page we have.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
About two hundred and forty prompts at the top of
each page that lead you into learning more about yourself,
So ditch the mask is take off what you're putting
out there for the world and who are you really?
And sometimes people don't know until they write it down
and then read it back to themselves. And at the
bottom of each page we added affirmation statements, and those
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are us saying we're here with you, you are your
greatest strength. We didn't want people to feel like they
were alone while they were doing the journal.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
The process we're all doing together, and affirmations. We have
learned that if you tell yourself something twenty times or more,
you start to implement it into your life and the
way that you speak to yourself. And so we put
the same affirmation twenty times and then there are twelve
different affirmations for each chapter. And so when you kind
of put those into your life and talk about them,
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it kind of lightens up your personality. And for me,
I've been able to do that and look in the
mirror and say, I am my greatest strength, and now
I talk to myself like that more.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So we wrote that your statement and then we ask
everyone to rewrite it as an I am statement, so
we're there with you saying you're your greatest strength. And
then now you've got to believe it. I am my
greatest strength, So then you're telling it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I want to mention a few of these prompts because
they're really powerful. Describe a moment when you felt deeply happy.
What made it so meaningful to you? Is one of them.
Another one is what does success mean to you? Another
one is if you stripped away external expectations, what would
you do differently? Yeah? How long did it take you
to come up with these prompts? These are really powerful prompts.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It took, you know, about a year and a half,
but we went one step further. We felt like every
prompt needed to We were writing it out of emotion
because Ella had just been through a lot, and so
we wanted them to feel safe and supported.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I want I want to mention that because Ella's been
doing some really amazing work at the State House. Do
you want to just go briefly into what happened to
you and what you're working out with at the State House.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yes. So, I've had a lot of different experiences that
affected my mental health, and one of those was that
I was drugged at a bar in Boston and I
was in the ICU and I recently testified at the
Massachusetts State House to try to get the bill changed
in Massachusetts because right now, if you go to a
hospital and you request a drug test, they are not
required to give it to you unless you have also
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been sexually assaulted.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so you were rooffeed at a bar. I was
roofeet at a bar, and you showed up at the
at the hospital.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Unconscious, unconscious. I do not remember this, but from what
I understand, my mom requested that they give me a
drug test several times and they refused.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They said there was no code for insurance.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, it's shocking, and.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So they sent me home and I ended up coming
back the next day and was put into the ICU.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So I know that Channel four, Channel five, Fox, they've
all covered your work at the state House. So where
does it stand right now?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So I just testified and now we are waiting for
it to hopefully be passed to the next stage.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They have till December third to make the decision. So
we are not going to be quiet until December third.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I don't think you will be quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, we will not. She certainly will not, let me
tell you that. And to add on to it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Ello just filmed a documentary about drink spiking with four
other victims in Boston.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Of all different stories, everyone has mine.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And one one mom that was in the documentary her
her daughter passed away. So the documentaries coming out on
August twenty fifth, and that will be all over the
media and it's incredibly powerful. It was sponsored by Nightcap,
which is the covers that go over over drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, we talked about it a lot on the Morning show.
It was a big news story, yes, about what was happening, right,
and just sort of as a sort of a PSA
to our listeners out there, like to, this is really happening,
and you really need to make sure that you're like
safeguarding yourself and your friends.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And the laws don't protect victims in Massachusetts, so it's
really you just want the.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Laws to Yeah, it's a shame. I love that you're
working on this.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But I will say from that experience and the combination
of some toxic relationships that I've had, I went through
an eating disorder. So all of these experiences throughout my
high school and into college really got me to realizing
that I want to share them and express that with
other people instead of hiding who I am so I
can truly be myself. And then that's kind of where
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we came up with the idea to start creating the journal,
and these questions came from me healing through my process.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I want you guys to share a story because
we were talking about this and how you are marketing
it to companies and a good way for companies to
connect with their workforce because companies are really struggling right now.
They don't know what their people want. People aren't showing
up at the office or they are and they're unhappy,
they're not connecting with people. So you're this is a
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great way for companies to get involved, right So explain
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So right now, there's a loneliness epidemic. It really is.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Everyone is feeling disconnected and lonely. And a part of
that is because some people are remote, some people are
not remote. Not everyone's in the office at the same time.
But what it comes down to, and I know this
from my experience, is people stay not necessarily because a salary.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They stay because they.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Feel connected to the other people at work and they
want to be there. They want to have lunch with people,
they want to talk to people. So we're marketing this
to companies also as a wait for connection. Right, So
there's a book club chapter at the end, which usually
journaling is a solo activity, but we were like, what
do you do with all that self reflection when you
learn all this stuff about yourself? You need to connect
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with others. And you have a great line that you
always say about connecting with others and not feeling so alone.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know, I actually don't know what you're talking. Oh sorry,
we might have.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To I mean, I will say it's a therapist, a
best friend, and a mirror all in one. But I
will say with the journaling aspect of having the book
club and it for me, it's been really nice to
I mean I've been doing it with my mom, but
like I've done some of the questions with some of
my friends and it's been really nice to take us
to a deeper level. Like I have met some of
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these girls from college so two or three years ago,
and yes I know them, but they don't know me
to my deepest course. So it's been really nice and
I've been really feeling connected to these girls as well.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And Terry said that your husband he did the journal
I love that as a couple, they did it well
tw and you've learned, like you learned several things about
each other that you never knew and you've been together
for over twenty years.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right, So I think when you do it with someone else,
and it's meant to be done as a solo reflection.
But when we were talking about companies, are doing it
with a partner or a group of friends or a
group of people together. Our goal was you do a
chapter and then at the end of the book, there's
five questions for each chapter that are discussion questions to
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talk to other people about, and they can be as
deep or superficial as you want.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So I love to give the example as deeper as superficial.
One of the questions is like, what is something that
you've learned about yourself? And it could be I've learned
that I am a night person and not a morning person.
Or if you want to get deep, it could be
I've realized that I'm not actually as happy as I
am in my relationship as I thought I was. So
you can really take it to whatever level you feel
comfortable in.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So, if you're at work and you're doing this and
an office is like, we're going to give this out
to all of our employees and we're going to say
every Tuesday once we're going to have a free lunch
in this boardroom. There are people that could come in,
bring the journal and not even really talk and just
color and feel like they're connecting just by being in
the room with them. And then there are people that
could really have a conversation and learn that you have
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a son going to college, or this family is all
boys like our family is, and you have been working
side by side with them and didn't realize that they
have a life outside of the office, and there's things
that you have in common with them. And there's the
connection piece. And we also have a digital version, so
for remote employees, they have access to having a digital
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version online.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So how can people order this journal? Where should they go?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So right now we're on our website, which is Chasing
Redlags dot com. We're on Amazon, and we're on TikTok
shop and you can also buy it at lovestruck Books.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And Cambridge Awesome. So it's called Let's Get Real and
it's by Terry and Ella and this is tremendous. I
think what you're doing on this at the state house
level is like remarkable. It takes a lot of courage
to stand up and try and make change. And also
like this, this journal is just such a great idea
because it really does. It does help with anxiety, it
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does help with like just organizing your thoughts and you know,
sort of being good to yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And we want people to feel seen. And I think
when you are answering the questions and you're looking at
yourself and you're hearing us say you are the most beautiful,
you are the great your greatest strength, you feel like
we're in it with you and you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is great. Thanks ladies, thank you, thank you for
having us. You really appreciate it.
Welcome into Lisa's book Club podcasts. And I have two
very special people in studio with me. I have Terry
and Ella, and now Terry and Ella are a mother
daughter team. Right we are.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yes, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We are so excited that you guys are here and
that we have live guests now for our podcast. But
the reason why you guys are here is because you've
teamed up as mother daughter authors to write a journal
slash book called Let's Get Real We have Yeah, Okay,
so I want to know how did this idea? How
(00:35):
did you guys come up with us?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So it started about two years ago. I think we've
always both journaled. You can start about your diaries.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But I have always journaled. And every time that I've
had a journal, I'll do a week, or I'll do
two weeks, and then I'll forget a day, and if
it's dated and I miss a day, I'll feel really
bad and then I will put it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
In a drawer and never do it again.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Or some of the other journals I've had just have
blank pages with no guidance, and I would complete a
page or two and just not really feel any better
or like I learned anything about myself, and so our
goal when creating this journal was to really make it
something that people could utilize and gain more insight about
who they are.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So the mission of journaling is, and the mission of
what you're doing with your Chasing red Flags website is
to promote authenticity and mental awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, so Chasing Red Flags really started because Ella kept
a lot of things hidden, okay, and I kept a
lot of things hidden that we were going through and
we both discussed it and talked about how society demands
perfection and wouldn't it be great to start a business
and a brand and a mental wellness movement really to
(01:49):
tell people that it's okay to have flaws and red
flags because we all have them. And instead of pointing
out everyone else's with cancel culture and everything that goes on,
why don't we look within at ourselves and say, what
are our own red flags? And how do we communicate
with others and respond to others based on what we
know about ourselves? And that's really how it started.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So instead of avoiding the red flags, you say, lean into.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That, Lean into that because everyone has them. Nobody doesn't
have any red flags and they can be So.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Let's talk about like, what's your red flag, Terry.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So I have a couple.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I'm sure I have hundreds, right, But the ones that
I've been told and I've noticed about myself is that
I tend to have no filter, so I tend to
speak before I breathe and think about what I'm going
to say because I'm just really straightforward and honest, and
that's not always a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I also am incredibly defensive.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So it's based on how I grew up, and I've
learned that through journaling and answering questions and realizing, oh wait,
I am really defensive and this is why.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I've been able to lean into my red flags.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And say some of them are just innately me, but
some of them I can work on a little bit,
and I can also communicate to someone else that this
is what mine is. So if I'm being defensive, feel
free to call me out on it, which has made
relationships that I've had so much better.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I have done the same thing.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I have learned that one of my red flags is
that I'm a big people pleaser and I put other
people before myself.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And yes, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Looking at another one, right, So I've learned a lot
about that through journaling, and that personally is something I
feel like I can improve on. And so the process
of journaling and what we've created has helped me with that.
And then I also am extremely anxious, and so that
can be a red flag decay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I like the same.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I need a lot of reassurance. I need like that
so seriously, but I really need that reassurance. I'm anxious.
I like I ask things five times just to hear
the same answer over and over, and to some people
that can be very annoying and seen as a red flag.
So in a lot of my friendships these days, I say,
just so you know, I'm probably gonna ask if you're
mad at me five times and don't get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It's literally just my anxiety.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And all my friends just are like, Ella, like we
love you, we know that's just you, so like it's okay.
Just letting them know and like prepping them for the
way that I am has made my relationships stronger.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So let's get to the journal, okay, called let's get real.
Authenticity begins here. How long did this project take for
you guys to complete?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I mean, from start to finish, probably around two years.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
It started before not that long.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
No, it started before we knew it was starting. I
think because Ella had always diaried and journaled and I
had always written. We came up with prompts and things
that we thought would make sense in a journal before
we realized that's what we were doing.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, so you're encouraging people, like the page fifteen is
chapter one. Let's get real, ditch the mask. So then
you offer people you have prompt questions, So this one
is when do you feel most like the real you?
And then there's space for you to write down your
answer to that, and and then you give prompts so
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that people can actually read what they wrote, but then
also make real life sort of like a I don't
know what you'd call it, like a plan of action
of action.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yes, so we wrote it with takeaways in mind. So
we basically have twelve different themes throughout the journal, which
is a lot of themes that most journals don't have.
They're more focus. We felt like when you focus on
all twelve, things that would be more helpful.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And each page we have.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
About two hundred and forty prompts at the top of
each page that lead you into learning more about yourself,
So ditch the mask is take off what you're putting
out there for the world and who are you really?
And sometimes people don't know until they write it down
and then read it back to themselves. And at the
bottom of each page we added affirmation statements, and those
(05:52):
are us saying we're here with you, you are your
greatest strength. We didn't want people to feel like they
were alone while they were doing the journal.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
The process we're all doing together, and affirmations. We have
learned that if you tell yourself something twenty times or more,
you start to implement it into your life and the
way that you speak to yourself. And so we put
the same affirmation twenty times and then there are twelve
different affirmations for each chapter. And so when you kind
of put those into your life and talk about them,
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it kind of lightens up your personality. And for me,
I've been able to do that and look in the
mirror and say, I am my greatest strength, and now
I talk to myself like that more.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So we wrote that your statement and then we ask
everyone to rewrite it as an I am statement, so
we're there with you saying you're your greatest strength. And
then now you've got to believe it. I am my
greatest strength, So then you're telling it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I want to mention a few of these prompts because
they're really powerful. Describe a moment when you felt deeply happy.
What made it so meaningful to you? Is one of them.
Another one is what does success mean to you? Another
one is if you stripped away external expectations, what would
you do differently? Yeah? How long did it take you
to come up with these prompts? These are really powerful prompts.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It took, you know, about a year and a half,
but we went one step further. We felt like every
prompt needed to We were writing it out of emotion
because Ella had just been through a lot, and so
we wanted them to feel safe and supported.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I want I want to mention that because Ella's been
doing some really amazing work at the State House. Do
you want to just go briefly into what happened to
you and what you're working out with at the State House.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yes. So, I've had a lot of different experiences that
affected my mental health, and one of those was that
I was drugged at a bar in Boston and I
was in the ICU and I recently testified at the
Massachusetts State House to try to get the bill changed
in Massachusetts because right now, if you go to a
hospital and you request a drug test, they are not
required to give it to you unless you have also
(07:52):
been sexually assaulted.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so you were rooffeed at a bar. I was
roofeet at a bar, and you showed up at the
at the hospital.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Unconscious, unconscious. I do not remember this, but from what
I understand, my mom requested that they give me a
drug test several times and they refused.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They said there was no code for insurance.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, it's shocking, and.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So they sent me home and I ended up coming
back the next day and was put into the ICU.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So I know that Channel four, Channel five, Fox, they've
all covered your work at the state House. So where
does it stand right now?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
So I just testified and now we are waiting for
it to hopefully be passed to the next stage.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They have till December third to make the decision. So
we are not going to be quiet until December third.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I don't think you will be quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
No, we will not. She certainly will not, let me
tell you that. And to add on to it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Ello just filmed a documentary about drink spiking with four
other victims in Boston.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Of all different stories, everyone has mine.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And one one mom that was in the documentary her
her daughter passed away. So the documentaries coming out on
August twenty fifth, and that will be all over the
media and it's incredibly powerful. It was sponsored by Nightcap,
which is the covers that go over over drinks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, we talked about it a lot on the Morning show.
It was a big news story, yes, about what was happening, right,
and just sort of as a sort of a PSA
to our listeners out there, like to, this is really happening,
and you really need to make sure that you're like
safeguarding yourself and your friends.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And the laws don't protect victims in Massachusetts, so it's
really you just want the.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Laws to Yeah, it's a shame. I love that you're
working on this.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But I will say from that experience and the combination
of some toxic relationships that I've had, I went through
an eating disorder. So all of these experiences throughout my
high school and into college really got me to realizing
that I want to share them and express that with
other people instead of hiding who I am so I
can truly be myself. And then that's kind of where
(09:58):
we came up with the idea to start creating the journal,
and these questions came from me healing through my process.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I want you guys to share a story because
we were talking about this and how you are marketing
it to companies and a good way for companies to
connect with their workforce because companies are really struggling right now.
They don't know what their people want. People aren't showing
up at the office or they are and they're unhappy,
they're not connecting with people. So you're this is a
(10:26):
great way for companies to get involved, right So explain
what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So right now, there's a loneliness epidemic. It really is.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Everyone is feeling disconnected and lonely. And a part of
that is because some people are remote, some people are
not remote. Not everyone's in the office at the same time.
But what it comes down to, and I know this
from my experience, is people stay not necessarily because a salary.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
They stay because they.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Feel connected to the other people at work and they
want to be there. They want to have lunch with people,
they want to talk to people. So we're marketing this
to companies also as a wait for connection. Right, So
there's a book club chapter at the end, which usually
journaling is a solo activity, but we were like, what
do you do with all that self reflection when you
learn all this stuff about yourself? You need to connect
(11:12):
with others. And you have a great line that you
always say about connecting with others and not feeling so alone.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You know, I actually don't know what you're talking. Oh sorry,
we might have.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To I mean, I will say it's a therapist, a
best friend, and a mirror all in one. But I
will say with the journaling aspect of having the book
club and it for me, it's been really nice to
I mean I've been doing it with my mom, but
like I've done some of the questions with some of
my friends and it's been really nice to take us
to a deeper level. Like I have met some of
(11:46):
these girls from college so two or three years ago,
and yes I know them, but they don't know me
to my deepest course. So it's been really nice and
I've been really feeling connected to these girls as well.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
And Terry said that your husband he did the journal
I love that as a couple, they did it well
tw and you've learned, like you learned several things about
each other that you never knew and you've been together
for over twenty years.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right, So I think when you do it with someone else,
and it's meant to be done as a solo reflection.
But when we were talking about companies, are doing it
with a partner or a group of friends or a
group of people together. Our goal was you do a
chapter and then at the end of the book, there's
five questions for each chapter that are discussion questions to
(12:28):
talk to other people about, and they can be as
deep or superficial as you want.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So I love to give the example as deeper as superficial.
One of the questions is like, what is something that
you've learned about yourself? And it could be I've learned
that I am a night person and not a morning person.
Or if you want to get deep, it could be
I've realized that I'm not actually as happy as I
am in my relationship as I thought I was. So
you can really take it to whatever level you feel
comfortable in.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So, if you're at work and you're doing this and
an office is like, we're going to give this out
to all of our employees and we're going to say
every Tuesday once we're going to have a free lunch
in this boardroom. There are people that could come in,
bring the journal and not even really talk and just
color and feel like they're connecting just by being in
the room with them. And then there are people that
could really have a conversation and learn that you have
(13:13):
a son going to college, or this family is all
boys like our family is, and you have been working
side by side with them and didn't realize that they
have a life outside of the office, and there's things
that you have in common with them. And there's the
connection piece. And we also have a digital version, so
for remote employees, they have access to having a digital
(13:33):
version online.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So how can people order this journal? Where should they go?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So right now we're on our website, which is Chasing
Redlags dot com. We're on Amazon, and we're on TikTok
shop and you can also buy it at lovestruck Books.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
And Cambridge Awesome. So it's called Let's Get Real and
it's by Terry and Ella and this is tremendous. I
think what you're doing on this at the state house
level is like remarkable. It takes a lot of courage
to stand up and try and make change. And also
like this, this journal is just such a great idea
because it really does. It does help with anxiety, it
(14:09):
does help with like just organizing your thoughts and you know,
sort of being good to yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And we want people to feel seen. And I think
when you are answering the questions and you're looking at
yourself and you're hearing us say you are the most beautiful,
you are the great your greatest strength, you feel like
we're in it with you and you're not alone.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is great. Thanks ladies, thank you, thank you for
having us. You really appreciate it.
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