October 10, 2024 • 45 mins
The season is over. Luke Arcaini and Sheffield Shuffler discuss an embarrassing letdown of a #NLDS. Where do the Phillies go from here?
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Breaking ball popped up, shadow right, Chicar going up, Castiano's
coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is Luke and I on the Phillies, brought to
you by Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Gambler.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, uh, I will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The intro has them winning the Pennant.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
If you didn't know, they're not going to win the
Pennant this year, the Phillies.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The season is over. It was a good that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I didn't think I'd be saying that the first week
in October. I'll just get out ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I was wrong. They they just didn't come ready to play.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have a feeling some Mets fans are going to
find their way in here and I'll say this, do
you guys beat the crap out of us? You just
straight up did so. I mean, we're gonna get into
the entire game. We'll probably talk about the season here,
but if you're hanging out, I want to hear from
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you guys where your heads are at. Make sure everyone's
still breathing, everything's good. But I want to throw it
to you, chef, just where are you at?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Because I'm I'm hurting big time. I'm just like, I
just feel defeated.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It just feels like you get your hopes up for
seven months and and in the blink of an eye
it's just all gone. So that's just really where I'm
at right now, Luke.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We invest three hours every single day from March to October.
We invest a lot of time watching the fills, analyzing,
rooting them on to get to October. Me and you
both know regular season means nothing, right. Regular season doesn't
matter you in the division you in, it doesn't matter.
We all wait for October. When the calendar turns it's
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red October and we get one win in the postseason
and get bounced. It hurts, dude, It hurts a lot.
You invest a lot of time you I think of
how many articles you wrote, think of how much you
watch the fills, how much you believe in them. It's
almost like a breakup, honestly. It feels like, you know,
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your heart kind of gets ripped out a little. It's
like I believed in you, I trusted you. I trusted you,
and you broke my heart and you didn't do what
you were supposed to do. That's how I feel. And
you know I talk shit and I'll uh sorry, this is.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
This is a this is after our show tonight. We're
not holding anything.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, dude, you know, have your heart ripped out and
it's Luke. I think it's how it happened that hurts
a lot. And you can tell me more about that.
If we lost five to seven, if we lost six
to nine, not saying that it would feel any better,
but I would feel like we at least we went
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down literally swinging, but we didn't, and we the offense
was abysmal. Again. It's the same glaring issue that we
saw last year. I feel like the window was closing.
I feel like this core group of guys is not
going to be the same anymore. I feel like we
missed our opportunity to capitalize when we did, and everything
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needs to be and should be different next season. That's
that's what I got right now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, and I think we're gonna really look at next
season eventually, but I mean, right now, it's just it
just really sucks how they go out, because like, and
I get it, and and you're gonna have the people
that come in here and they're gonna say I told
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you so, and I told you this lineup wasn't good enough,
and I told you they went cold the last two
months of the season and I told you they were
going to do this, and I told you they were
going to do that. Congratulations you you have won your
victory lap. If if that makes you feel better, then cool.
But like that, I want.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
To see the tweets though, before you say that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, and don't just come and say that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Make sure you actually put that out there and set
it and didn't come after the fact like a coward. Yeah,
And that's all.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's That's just not how I live. I I've never
I've never lived like that. I I can't think like that.
It would it would, it would drop me up a wall.
But it's just you just sit there and you watch
them for seven months, and you sit there and you
watch one hundred and sixty five games, and you take
three hours out of your day every day and you
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sit there and you watch them, and you watch them
win ninety five games, and you watch them celebrate and
win their first penance since twenty eleven. I mean I
was nine the last time they won a division title.
Like I like this doesn't happen like yeah, and like
things like that matter and like and what sucks so
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bad about it all is that you're gonna look back
on this season and a regular season that that was
a really big success and and it's just none of
it matters, Like not a single thing matters.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like you can go back and and and and you can.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Think about, like, think about all the things that happened
this regular season. Remember when Ricardo Pinto got busted to
the game and through four That was the same season.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
There in the fourth Remember when West and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Wilson hit for the cycle, Like, like just stuff like that,
The Cal Stevenson game, the Cal Stevenson game, Like it's
just it just stinks because you.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Three home runs in the ring.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, Like it's just all these things and you're like,
and you hear him talk all year about just get
us to October and get back to Red October and
get back to the bank, and do this in the
playoffs and do that in the playoffs, and then you
just lay it dud, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
You just simply lay a dud.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Zach Wheelers made two hundred and seventy starts in his career.
The best one he's ever had was on Saturday, and
you freaking blew it. And then Christopher Sanchez goes out
and pitches his ass off on Sunday. He wasn't his best,
but he pitched his ass off and you barely sneak
that game out, and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
A wins a win.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then you go out there yesterday and and Aaron
Nola once again was not his best, but he battled,
and you lose like that, the offense just goes out sad.
And then you have a guy like Ranger Suarez, who
in his last eleven starts as an Era over six
and he goes out tonight and he freaking battles like
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that was a war for Ranger tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And oh season warrior, dude, Ranger won the war.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And that that's what's so frustrating about tonight is that
if you would have told me Ranger would have been
done after five innings and the Phillies were winning, that
would have been a win for me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like that, I would have told you that we would
have won that game.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And then you just go out and you do that
again like Kyle Schwarber Oh for four, Trey Turner Oh
for four, Alec Boom Oh for three with a crucial error,
Jay t Oh for two. JT couldn't hit a beach
ball right now, Bryce and s West and Wilson, oh
for three. They went four for thirty one tonight in
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a do or Die Go home game. Like, I don't know, man,
it's it's it's incredibly frustrating, and it's and it's frustrating
for me, it's frustrating for you, it's frustrating for everyone that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Covers this team. It's but like as a.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Fan, like you commit all this time and like, listen,
I I cover this team, I write about this team,
I talk about this team. You talk about this team,
but we're fans, like we're fans first, and like this
whole people that cover the team can't be a fan thing.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't want to hear that, because everybody that covers
this team is is deep down a fan of this team.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And of course your fan.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Bing this fan base that goes out there and has
your back for one hundred and sixty five games, straight
through the booze, through the cheers, and then it's just
you just go out sad. I mean, there's a lot
of things that went wrong in this series, but if
you can't hit, you can't win. And that's really the
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biggest takeaways is if you go out there and you
go four for thirty one, and in the first three
games of the season of the playoffs, you score one
run in the first fifteen innings of each game. It's
just simply just not good enough.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's just not good enough.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You're playing from behind, Philip haven't got out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can't do that against a team like that. That
team fights, man, And I hate the Mets. There is
not a single team in all of sports that I
hate more than the Mets. And I think that rivalry
got a little sour the last few years, and it
wasn't as big just because of really how the Mets
were playing. And I think everyone was like, all the
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Braves are the biggest rivalry. And if you've watched this
team for as long as I have and as long
as you have, you know there's not a rival for
this team that even comes close to the New York Mets.
And to go out like that against a team like that,
I mean, listen, man, they fight. Francisco Indoors a hell
of a baseball player, like and I'll say this, I
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give that dude a lot of credit. He cracked that
grand slam, he dropped his bat.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And he ran around. He's all business man. The Dude's
all business.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't like a single other player on this on
that Mark Viano's is good. Brandon Nemo' is a dork,
Pete Alonzo's a dork. Jesse winkers at dork. But they fight, Man,
they at least show some hard out there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You gotta tip your cap to Mark Fiano's. Dude, guy
starts in the Triple A. You gotta do Iglesia, same thing.
The guy's been, you know, almost a decade in baseball,
been in Triple A. That's the one thing that I
will tip my cap to. And you gotta respect dude.
Like Fiano's was not the third baseman coming into the season.
Brett Baidy was there, he didn't work out. Viento's took
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advantage of a situation and now he's a postseason star.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Like, as a baseball fan, you can kind of step
back outside of being a Phillies fan and be like, dude,
that is awesome. Good for this guy taking full advantage
of his opportunity. Iglesias, you know, forget his song and stuff,
but I'm another guy who's just battling to get you know,
playing time and taking advantage of his situation. But yeah,
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the Lindor home run, dude, I mean in probably the
biggest hit of his career. I mean honestly, dude, that
sends his team to the NLCS, and he just drops
it down. Even the post game when he was talking
about he's just like, yeah, you know, like he knew
there was bigger things to come. And it's just like
you respect something like that, you know, as opposed to
like a Jesse Winker who'd probably you know, you know,
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moon the ground or something, you know, so mad he won.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, it's just it sucks, like there's there's truly no
other word for it, Like it just it stinks.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
One thing that you want to men about, like the
at bats and stuff. The one thing I will credit
Kyle Schwarber to is quality at bats and working at bats.
Didn't have a hit, I understand, it doesn't matter you
don't have a hit, you didn't produce, but at least
productive at bats, dude, filing pitches off, working full counts.
That's what I want to see in the postseason or
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just you know, anytime. So that was just one thing
that I noticed. I was like, Schwarves is at least
working the count. He's working this picture, he's quality at
bats when you're looking at some of these other players
who just look lost up there. Dude, I mean even
Bom in the field that play at third base, he's
kind of looking should I wait, Should I charge it?
Should I look at second? Just like weird stuff going on.
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So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it's and I mean you can look at the abats,
but I will say this about specifically Kyle Schwarber, that
dude's a warrior. Like you can sit here and you
can tell me he went one for thirteen or he
went over twelve since his since his home run, But like.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I would go to war for that man like that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, yesterday, Sean and I's first seventy one pitches
twenty of.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The more to Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Kyle Schuber knew what they had to do yesterday, Like
you had to go out there and you had to
get him out of the game, and that was all
Kyle Schwarber's goal.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And also less I will say that it's just like
it hasn't worked, right.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I mean, if you look at twenty twenty two, that
season was a success. It sucks that they lost and
it sucks that they didn't bring it home. But that
season was absolutely a success.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Last year sucked.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Last year ripped my art out, like absolutely ruined me.
And this season it's just it's just sad.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So yeah, look, let's let's talk about the difference between
twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four, because those are
completely different. So, like you said, I would agree with you.
In twenty twenty two, we're not supposed to be here,
nobody believes we can do it. We're riding those vibes,
those that wave of excitement and sneaking into the postseason
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for the first time, for a postseason that was expanded
for the first time in baseball. The Phillies got that
seed to get into the postseason, and they ride that
out and they have a magical series against the Cardinals
and they do what they do, So that exactly a success.
Like you're like, wow, we can see what we're capable of.
Last year, complete letdown when you're coming home to the Bank,
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which is supposed to be the most ruckous home crowd
field advantage, and then this year feels it feels very different,
And honestly, it feels very much more of a letdown.
Would you say more so last year or this year,
I feel just because the expectations weren't reached. We didn't
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even get to the NLCS. Dude, that bounce first round,
first round dude, And the regular.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Season they're going backwards.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Like if you look at if you look at the
last three seasons, Like it sucks to say, but you
go from a World Series loss to an NLCS loss
to an NLDS loss, and it's just like, I don't know,
and like I'll say this, this team's gonna look different
next year. I mean they're strictly just going to have
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to like there's no other choice. You just can't run
it back again. Guys like like, I mean, you can
start at the top. Bryce Harper is not going anywhere.
Trey Turner big letdown right now, just not going anywhere. Nick,
I don't think he goes anywhere. I think Cassie's here
to stay. I think Cassie had cass had a really
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good playoffs. I mean, for tonight, he was he was,
he was hitting like three eighty five this playoffs. Kosher
not going anywhere, listen, man, after that, I don't, I
don't know. Alec Boom, I I don't I don't think
Alec Boom comes back.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I did you like that question from Tim Kelly?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I I I think I liked the question. I I
didn't love I don't think. I don't think I love
the exchange in general. I thought it was just kind
of a bit of a weird exchange.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't think Boom liked it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I I really don't think Bom liked You could tell
I didn't really listen to the entire question.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I really just heard his answer.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
But I don't know, like I, I don't know if
Alec Boom comes back. I don't know if Brandon Marsh
comes back. I don't know if Johann Rojas comes back.
I don't know if Bryson Stock comes back. I would
expect Stop back. I think out of those four guys,
I would think he's probably the one that has the
best chance of coming back. I don't think they're giving
up on Stot. That dude plays unbelievable defense. He's gotten
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some really clutch hits. He's he's not owed like an
official contract. I don't I don't really see him going anywhere. Frankly,
I don't think another team is gonna be really give
him like big, big money. I mean as far as
pitching Nola, Wheeler, Sanchez here, Ranger here. They don't want
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to lose Ranger. I think I think the money thing
may get a little weird with the Ranger, but if
they can pay him, they're gonna pay. And that dude's
a warrior. He battled his ass off. He battles his
ass off every single playoffs. That's a guy that I
want on my team. After that, I don't I don't know, man,
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I'll say this. I think Jeff Hoffman lost a lot
of money this playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Broth happened to the bullpen?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Dude, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The guys that we talked about, Luke, we talked about this.
We got on a pod earlier in the season. Remember
you were like Alvarado, Kirkering and Hoffman, that's seven eight nine.
You can go in there. We're like, dude, we'll take
anybody out with that. The era this postseason from those
guys thirty nine forty two unreal, dude. Granted they're not
they were not put in advantageous situations, but that's what
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you're getting paid to do. And it's just like the bullpen,
and I thought that was the one thing that we
could hang on to. We're like, all right, maybe it
was a little bit of rocky and but like they've
been the steadfast all season, Like you know, bullpen's good,
bullpen's good, and then you come and you shit the bed.
I mean, granted, you gotta score runs, but it's just like, dude,
what happened to the bullpen?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, it's and I mean the most frustrating part about
that is just the entire flip from the regular season.
I mean, I went into this playoff saying, this is
the best bull this is one of the best bullpens
we've ever had, based on regular season stats, like, not
even playoffs, not even recent history, this regular season stats.
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This was one of the best bullpens the Phillies franchise
has ever had, period.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And then I mean they just come up small.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Jeff Hoffman looked all over the place, Matt Strom looked
all over the place. So Ryan Kirkering looked all over
the place. Carlos tessivest the meat ball to Francisco Lindor
middle dude Alvarado couldn't command. Like It's just I don't know, man,
was our bullpen that bad? Or were the Mets hot?
I mean, I I think it was a mix of both.
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I think it's on our bullpen being bad because I'll
say this, the Mets didn't do anything against our starters.
I mean what they allowed. Wheeler allowed nothing, Sanchez allowed
what one two to y, Nola allowed two like, and
Ranger allowed none like. I mean, I'll say this, the
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starting pitching was just unbelievable. And I know we've already
talked about it, but like they they were unbelievable this playoffs.
They did they did everything that they've done this regular season.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They did it and better.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, you didn't get your best from Sanchez or Nola,
but you still got really good outings and it and
it's poor offensive production that alters an outing like that.
You can't ask Aaron Nola to go out in city
field and give you seven shutout. It's just not gonna happen.
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It's it's just it's really frustrating.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
We do a few comments here.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
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Philly's Twitter. Yeah, this sucks, man.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
You you waited.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Twelve months to go one and three in the playoffs.
You have to fix the lineup, you absolutely do. I
wouldn't be surprised if you told me next year five
through nine all weren't back.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I wouldn't be insanely surprised.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's just at some point you have to budge hottest
of hot teams versus coldest of cold It's a momentum sport,
and we never had a minute of it.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah. I mean you had momentum for ten minutes in
Game three. That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You had it for game Game one, and you had
it for two innings of Game three, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Philly's did a great job hitting.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The mistakes all regular season. There weren't many middle middle
mistakes from the Mets this series. Yeah, they got four
good enough starts to have a good chance, and yeah,
that's that is exactly the issue. Four of your starters
put you in a really good spot in these four games,
and the offense blew it. It's just frustrating, and like
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you can go back and you can look at certain
innings because they're I think there were Honestly, every game
they're lost, there was one big inning that I think
killed them. And I mean as as far as tonight,
I mean it, it just has to be the sixth inning. Yeah,
you get a leadoff double from Bryce Harper. I mean,
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what that's your Is.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That your second hit of the night. Yeah, it's your second,
it's your first, No, it can't be your first.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, all right, it's your second hit of the night. Right,
Harper starts you off. Jose Quintana comes out of the game,
freaking read Garrett.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, freak Garrett, who.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Like, come on read Garrett comes in the game.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Nick Cassiano strikes out swinging Alan Boom alet boom.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Works, actually works a pretty good walk.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I can't believe Alec Bohom saw more than three pitches
in an at bat. And then just a future it
at bat from JT and just a Bryson stop rollover.
And then the seventh I mean, I listen, I can't
expect much in the seventh after that, Lindor Homer, you're
not gonna get much.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But even you can go look at the ninth too.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I mean at that point, I I.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Think everyone thought the game was done.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
At that point, I didn't think they were gonna go
out and and and and really rally in the ninth.
But Edwin Diaz is all over the place. He walks jt,
he walks Stott, and then you pinch it for Cody Clemens,
he strikes out, Brandon Marsh flies out, and then it's
just an unfortunate at bat for Schwarber. I still don't
think Kyle Schwarber has a single hit against Edwin Diaz
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in his career.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He was over nine with seven strikeouts at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Just it's it's just frustrating. I mean, bottom line is
they had their chances. Yeah, I mean Phillies were built
to win that game six to four and couldn't boils
down on offensers like you're saying, yeah, I mean like
you can look at everything.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can look at bullpen, you can look.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
At managing decisions, and I and I and I will say,
Jeff Howton was out there.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
For let's talk about that, dude. I usually I usually
don't like to rip Topper.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Topper is a bullpen really well, I I really do
up until that moment.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And then can we also agree that he is also
a beneficiary of a great lineup to manage, so it
makes it very hard to look bad when you have
such a talented lineup as well. Both of those things
can exist, right, Yeah, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Absolutely you can be you can be a good manager
and you can also be a be a good team
merchant at the same time. I think that that really
happens for a lot of teams. Yeah, I mean seven
eight nine with Hayes, Sosa Rojas in game three, uh top,
I realize that and obviously went to marsh Wilson still
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couldn't get it done. And I this is where I'm
at right now too, is because you go and you
think about, right, every deadline comes up, and we're like,
let's push this all these chips in and and let's
go for it, and.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Let's win a world series. Let's win a world series.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And you go out there and your deadline acquisitions the
last two years are Ridolfo Castro, Austin Hayes, and Carlos Estevez.
Austin Hayes was the biggest bat that the Phillies got
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at the trade deadline, right Austin he did deal with
some injuries and stuff like that, and he didn't look
terrible before he got hurt. Here.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh, and I'm not even sticking up for him. I'm
just saying, like, what the mar was right? We know
Randya Roseraina was out there. We know Luis Robert was
out there. So we look at the market, right, Luise
Robert very low floor, right or yeah, low floor? If
he gets injured, what does it matter. Austin Hayes didn't
have too much room for him on Oriole's roster. So
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when you look at I guess I just look at
the market like I would like to say, yeah, let's
go get you know, a great bat, but there really
wasn't too much out there. Like I said, Rose Arena
or Luise Robert, Austin Hayes was there, I guess. But
now at this point, dude, I'm like, you gotta just
all the gyps and you gotta push it all in
because look what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You don't need you got a question mark in left field.
You have your closer that you that you picked up
throw a ninety nine middle middle with bases loaded to
their best hitter did not pan out? Do you put
that on Dombrowski Because I saw a lot of people
calling for Dombrowski too.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think you have to.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He's the he is the guy that really pulls the strings.
I mean, if and I get it. There, there wasn't
like you said there, there wasn't a ton of options.
And I'll say this, I and I may get called
crazy for this, I'm still happy they didn't trade for
Luis Robert. I don't think trading all those prospects for
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that changed what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't think Luis Robert in this playoff wins them
a world series.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It just doesn't do it. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I
mean you can put Louise Robert into this series and
they don't win.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So in that aspect of it, it's it's tough because
there wasn't a ton of options, but like you got
at least try, like you have to try more. And
and I and and I and I will never forget this.
I was sitting there the day of the deadline. I
was sitting right here, and it was half hour till
the deadline whatever, and it's like, dude, you're gonna roll
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with Austin Hayes, like this is what we're doing right now,
Like and I get it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Austin Hayes's he was fine. No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He wasn't fine, He wasn't good enough. But like that's
your bat, Like that's the guy you go get, right
for a team that's trying to win.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
A World Series.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And at the time, the National League didn't look that scary.
The Padres weren't playing good baseball at that time, the
Mets weren't this at that time, the Diamondbacks were iffy.
The Dodgers were the Dodgers. But I've said for months,
the Dodgers are gonna choke. They stink too, they can't
pitch to save their life. Like this National League three
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months ago wasn't scary. And that's why we said it.
That was the biggest reason at the deadline that they
had to go all in, because there was such a
chance there. I mean, you can go get a guy
like Brent Rooker, and and I think that there's some
pros and cons there to really who you want to get,
and and maybe the fit wouldn't have worked, that would
have required Schwarbert probably moving back to the outfield. But
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I would have loved Brent Rooker in the series. And
I don't think that fixes everything, Like I don't I
don't know what Brent Rooker into this lineup.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If they win, I still think they lose.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But remember when he went off in that series right
before the All Star Game, it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Was like tryout, yeah, and then you go get Austin Hayes.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
H go get a platoon guy. And we said, and listen.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I love the vibes marsh Springs, and I think, deep
down I think he's a pretty good baseball player.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But he's just not an everyday guy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And and if you can't see that, then I don't
know what to tell you. Johann Rojas plays unbelievable defense.
He can't hit every postseason game for a World Series
contending team. Listen, I think the JT Realmuta thing is
gonna start to decline.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He looks he's going to it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's already had injuries problems this season.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Injuries are building up. He doesn't look good.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think that's gonna get bad fast. I don't know, man,
I I don't think Alec Bohm comes back. I think
that's where I'm at right now with Bom.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This feels like.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Tonight to me that Alec Bohm had his last at
bat in the Phillies' uniform.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I just I don't see it. I don't see the vision.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't see giving a guy like that a contract
when you have a guy like Aiden Miller ready in
a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I I do feel bad, though, Luke. We go back
and say, I've said a regular season means nothing. We
get it. But he had I believe, like the fourth
most doubles this season. The guy like, was it you
said a double? Merchant?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like he hit so many extra base hits all season.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He was in the MVP race for the first four
months of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like almost won the home under.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And not that that means much.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Like, I don't know, man, it's it just crumbled and
and I'll never understand it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And and I'll go and I'll go, I'll just go
back to this. It's like.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If if you're sitting there in somebody's replies tonight, and
and you're sitting there as a fan, and and you're
sitting there on your keyboard and and and you're replying, I.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Told you so, I told you so, I told you so. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
If if that helps you, then then I I will
tip my cat to you.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's not how I think I don't think that's how
you think they have the scene here, They had tea
here and they came up small. And I get it
if like, once again, take your victory lap.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
But what I saw for the first four.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Months of the season that was World Series winning baseball
team and freaking crumble.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're always going to try and poke holes, right, Luke,
Remember the strength of the schedule. They're not playing anybody,
They're nothing. They won thirty games, the first team to
thirty games. They didn't play anybody, and then they finished
with the second most wins in baseball. There's no way
that you can tell me with the straight face that
the Phillies aren't a good team. And just look at Vegas, dude.
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Vegas has all the money. There was a reason why
they were third favorites to win the World Series for
a reason. That's where all the money was. That's all
the talent is. So don't tell me like, oh, yeah,
I could call it fine, whatever, say you can call
it yeah, I congrats you. But there's no way you
can tell me this isn't It's just yeah, when the
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lights are brightest and when it matters most, the offense
will dictate how far this team goes and it just
doesn't happen. And I don't know how to fix it
because we saw the regular season. We see what they
did the last three years, Like, this is a good team,
this is a good offense, They have a good bullpend.
They are on paper, a better team than the Mets.
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I don't care what anybody says. They are a better
team on paper. But it doesn't matter what the paper says.
You have to show up in between the lines. And
that's what hurts, dude, That's what hurts. It's like if
you're smarter or faster than someone else and someone else gets,
you know, wins the race or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just they have.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
It, dude. They had it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
They had it, and it's going to look different now.
And that's what makes me sad is the last three
years twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four, there was
a cohesion of the team and the vibes and the
players and it was majority of the same guys. And
now things have to be different. They're going to be different.
They have to be different. Daycare that might that's probably
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the last daycare game, right, We're not gonna see that anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
There's no daycare when you're twenty eight years old. Yeah,
you can be a daycare.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's a guy in the daycare that acts like he
should be in daycare. So it's it's tough, man, and
really just just want to hit on like what you said,
and we can get out of here. But it's it's
frustrating because you go back and you think about twenty
twenty two and you think about twenty twenty three, and like.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That twenty twenty two team wasn't supposed to be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
They weren't supposed to beat the Cardinals, they weren't supposed
to beat the Braves, they weren't supposed to beat the Padres.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
They only got in because he expanded playoffs. That's the
only reason they got in.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And they did and they got in, and magic happened,
and you thought this team was just gonna run with
this core forever and and and honestly, that's what it
felt like. You had a young core back then, and
then you go into last year and you just come
up so small in the best stadium world.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You'll lose the last two games of the NLCS, and.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Then you win the National League East for the first
time in thirteen years, and you win ninety five games,
and you have the second best record in the entire league,
and you look like the best team in baseball for
the first four months, and then you just go out
there against your division rival and you just look like
you shouldn't be in the same.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
League as them, and you.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Don't show heart, and you go out in Game one
and you waste the best start of your Aces career.
And you go out on sat or on Sunday and
you win an awesome game and you think all the
momentum carries over. And then you go out on Tuesday
and you lay a dud for Aaron Nola. And you
go out on Wednesday and you lay a dud for
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Rangers Suarez. And now it's just like where do you go?
Like who comes back? Who doesn't? How bad do they
want it? Like I'm so over that. Get us to
October thing, like get us to October to what just
to choke and like just to blow it away and
just to look like.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You don't care. Like they didn't look like they cared.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
And I get it, they do care, deep down, they care,
but it didn't look like it. And the entire fan
base cares about them, and everyone that covers them cares
about them, and I know they all care about themselves.
And inside that building, I know it's a tough night
and and I know it sucks, and I know it's frustrating,
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and I know that's not what they wanted the outcome
to be. But I mean, bottom line is, they just
got out played, they got out worked, and and they
lost and and now this, this franchise could look a
lot different next year.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
So listen, I don't know where you go from here.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Obviously that core, that that veteran core will be back,
but I don't know this. This this team is going
to look different. This the these role players are going
to look different. And I think bottom line is what
sucks the most is that this fan base is going
to look different. Listen, Phillies games are gonna be sold
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out next year. I can guarantee you that, but they're
not going to have that drive to them, I don't
think anymore, because you.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Go out and you gotta show me, you gotta show me,
you gotta.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Show me, and they just didn't again and listen, once again,
those stands are going to be packed next year, and
opening Day is listen, I'm gonna start my countdown tomorrow
because I'm a psycho and I freaking love this team.
But it's just gonna feel a little different because you
had something there, and you had a fan base behind you,
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and you had a great clubhouse, and you had an
awesome manager that cares for his players and would freaking
die for his team, and you just come up short
against the New York Mets.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And and I can't even say short. You came up.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
By a really wide margin to the New York Mets.
They outplayed you. They wanted it more and I hate them,
but they earned it and we didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And Luke, I put it on the players one hundred percent.
But if you put up one to two runs in
your last four playoff games, five playoff games, whatever it is,
Kevin Long gotta go, dude. You did not prep the players.
And it's not on him. He's not the one taking
me at bats. But your job is to prepare your players.
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Not saying it's maybe his fault, whatever, but when we're
talking about changes and something's got to change that offense,
whatever's whatever, However you prepared for the New York Mets
didn't work. So that needs to change. I think Kevin
Long's got to go as the hitting coach. You did
not prepare these guys when we look at Chase me
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and you look at Baseball Savant all the time. Dude,
we look at graphs and Chase rate and.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Soon my number one search history thing on every single device,
I own I'm a psychopath. Like, yeah, I'll sit here
and I'll look at freaking Brandon Marsh's splits and on
Tuesday like I'm I'm just a psychopath, and like it's
I I don't know, it's It's frustrating because Kevin Long
has had some really awesome moments. He turned Brandon Marsh
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into an awesome hitter two years ago. He completely flipped
around out bowm early this season. He turned Bryce and
Stott into an awesome player last year. But he can't
come back. He just he just can't, because it's.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Three years in a row.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Of the reason you lost the top of the list
is the offense, and and I just I just want
to get a final question from you here. If you
were John Middleton, take everything into account and and think
about the future, and think about what he's done good,
and think about what he's done bad.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Would you bring Rob Thompson back next year?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
No, No, Luke, I said this, Rob Thompson is a
beneficiary from a great lineup, okay me, or you could
manage this lineup pretty well, not saying we would do
We would do it pretty well because it is a
talented lineup.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Okay, Rob, Tom.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I believe you could. I bet you could. I could
probably do it better, Luke. He has been in baseball.
I think he was in nineteen ninety seven, was with
the New York Yankees. He has been in baseball for
almost three decades. Never once was he offered a managerial position.
Tell me why that makes sense. He fell into a
managerial position after Joe Girardi got fired. He was in
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baseball for thirty years. He was with a Yankee since
ninety seven. He was with the Tigers before that. Never
offered a managerial position. I think that speaks volumes as
to how he is as a manager. I think he's
a beneficiary of a great lineup. Don't think he makes
the best decisions at all times. But when we're looking
at changes, dude, now it's over. It is over the whole.
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And I love the song, dude, but dancing that whole vibe. Dude,
it's all gone. We got to tear it down. It's
got to be different.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Time be the one to drop the take that the
year they get rid of dancing on my own They.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Because you're you're with me?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You love that song?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Okay, because yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I may have to be the one. I don't know.
I don't want to be the one to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
But what are the Armantani brothers?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Those are my guys. Yeah it didn't work out. I'll
tell you what.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
The arman Tani Brothers were not the reason the Phillies
lost to the Man.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I don't have much else, any final thoughts or we
can just get out of here.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Uh and then you got no.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I mean, if the Phillies would like to compensate me
for my trip to spring training in March, I would
gladly appreciate that because I spent three days out there
in clearwooter. So if they want to do that, that'd
be great. But Luke, we should go out next spring training.
I went with my buddy this year and it's it's
just so much fun. We saw you know, you're so
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so close to the to the players. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I have never been to spring training.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh okay, never been, so I would I would love
for next year to be the first year.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
If Florida is still there, honestly, yeah, Milton military's making
his way.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
If you're watching this down in Florida, I hope you're safe.
I hope you're you're doing as best as you can.
I'm sorry that the Phillies ruined your your day, while
the worst hurricane arguably ever is probably.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Coming through here your state right now.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But on a serious note, if if, if you are
watching from from Florida or anywhere down there, I hope
everything's all right.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I hope you guys are safe. But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I don't have much else. Thanks man, thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
If you guys, for some reason already don't follow my
man on the right. He is at Sheffield Shuffler. I
believe his Twitter is at Sheffield Chef. I believe it's
s h e f F I E l D s h.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
U f F.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
He's he's he's all over. I see his stuff every
day everywhere. We technically are some workers now for crossing Broad.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
We are a baby c b We're still chasing one
of these looke fun fact. I was hammered after the
Cubs won the World Series and I got the Commissioner's Trophy,
but I got it in wrong spots, so it looks
like a penis. Look I got it like, I got
it the wrong direction.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
It only looks good at definitely looks like definitely looks
like what you said the second time. It looks like
a but it is a commissioners trophy, but it does
was not placed properly, so I needed that laugh.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
All right, Well, thank you guys, Thank you guys for
hanging out. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
On a serious note, I mean, once again, if if,
if you guys don't don't already follow him, he's an
unbelievable follow as far as me, I am, Luke Arcaney
all thinks Socials at Arcane Luke for crossing broad Fox,
A Gambler, Phillies Digest. Thank you guys for for an
awesome season. I think I can speak on both of us.
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We we really built I think a lot more of
a following this season, and it's really because of you
guys watching and commenting and retweeting and and and liking
and reposting.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So on a.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Serious note, thank you guys. None of this would would
be possible without you guys.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
So the Philly season is over.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I I really can't believe I'm saying that the first
week of October, but I'm a zicho and now the countdown.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
The spring training starts tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Luke, We're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I'm tell I'm going.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Let's do it, man, Let's let's freaking do it. So,
on that note, this has been another episode of Luke
and I on the Phillies. Thank you Pete. And as
far as that note, we are out of here, so
the next season.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Peace,
Breaking ball popped up, shadow right, Chicar going up, Castiano's
coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is Luke and I on the Phillies, brought to
you by Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Gambler.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, uh, I will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The intro has them winning the Pennant.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
If you didn't know, they're not going to win the
Pennant this year, the Phillies.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The season is over. It was a good that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I didn't think I'd be saying that the first week
in October. I'll just get out ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I was wrong. They they just didn't come ready to play.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I have a feeling some Mets fans are going to
find their way in here and I'll say this, do
you guys beat the crap out of us? You just
straight up did so. I mean, we're gonna get into
the entire game. We'll probably talk about the season here,
but if you're hanging out, I want to hear from
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you guys where your heads are at. Make sure everyone's
still breathing, everything's good. But I want to throw it
to you, chef, just where are you at?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Man?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Because I'm I'm hurting big time. I'm just like, I
just feel defeated.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It just feels like you get your hopes up for
seven months and and in the blink of an eye
it's just all gone. So that's just really where I'm
at right now, Luke.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We invest three hours every single day from March to October.
We invest a lot of time watching the fills, analyzing,
rooting them on to get to October. Me and you
both know regular season means nothing, right. Regular season doesn't
matter you in the division you in, it doesn't matter.
We all wait for October. When the calendar turns it's
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red October and we get one win in the postseason
and get bounced. It hurts, dude, It hurts a lot.
You invest a lot of time you I think of
how many articles you wrote, think of how much you
watch the fills, how much you believe in them. It's
almost like a breakup, honestly. It feels like, you know,
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your heart kind of gets ripped out a little. It's
like I believed in you, I trusted you. I trusted you,
and you broke my heart and you didn't do what
you were supposed to do. That's how I feel. And
you know I talk shit and I'll uh sorry, this is.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
This is a this is after our show tonight. We're
not holding anything.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, dude, you know, have your heart ripped out and
it's Luke. I think it's how it happened that hurts
a lot. And you can tell me more about that.
If we lost five to seven, if we lost six
to nine, not saying that it would feel any better,
but I would feel like we at least we went
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down literally swinging, but we didn't, and we the offense
was abysmal. Again. It's the same glaring issue that we
saw last year. I feel like the window was closing.
I feel like this core group of guys is not
going to be the same anymore. I feel like we
missed our opportunity to capitalize when we did, and everything
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needs to be and should be different next season. That's
that's what I got right now.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, and I think we're gonna really look at next
season eventually, but I mean, right now, it's just it
just really sucks how they go out, because like, and
I get it, and and you're gonna have the people
that come in here and they're gonna say I told
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you so, and I told you this lineup wasn't good enough,
and I told you they went cold the last two
months of the season and I told you they were
going to do this, and I told you they were
going to do that. Congratulations you you have won your
victory lap. If if that makes you feel better, then cool.
But like that, I want.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
To see the tweets though, before you say that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, and don't just come and say that.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Make sure you actually put that out there and set
it and didn't come after the fact like a coward. Yeah,
And that's all.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's That's just not how I live. I I've never
I've never lived like that. I I can't think like that.
It would it would, it would drop me up a wall.
But it's just you just sit there and you watch
them for seven months, and you sit there and you
watch one hundred and sixty five games, and you take
three hours out of your day every day and you
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sit there and you watch them, and you watch them
win ninety five games, and you watch them celebrate and
win their first penance since twenty eleven. I mean I
was nine the last time they won a division title.
Like I like this doesn't happen like yeah, and like
things like that matter and like and what sucks so
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bad about it all is that you're gonna look back
on this season and a regular season that that was
a really big success and and it's just none of
it matters, Like not a single thing matters.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like you can go back and and and and you can.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Think about, like, think about all the things that happened
this regular season. Remember when Ricardo Pinto got busted to
the game and through four That was the same season.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
There in the fourth Remember when West and.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Wilson hit for the cycle, Like, like just stuff like that,
The Cal Stevenson game, the Cal Stevenson game, Like it's
just it just stinks because you.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Three home runs in the ring.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, Like it's just all these things and you're like,
and you hear him talk all year about just get
us to October and get back to Red October and
get back to the bank, and do this in the
playoffs and do that in the playoffs, and then you
just lay it dud, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
You just simply lay a dud.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Zach Wheelers made two hundred and seventy starts in his career.
The best one he's ever had was on Saturday, and
you freaking blew it. And then Christopher Sanchez goes out
and pitches his ass off on Sunday. He wasn't his best,
but he pitched his ass off and you barely sneak
that game out, and that's fine.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
A wins a win.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then you go out there yesterday and and Aaron
Nola once again was not his best, but he battled,
and you lose like that, the offense just goes out sad.
And then you have a guy like Ranger Suarez, who
in his last eleven starts as an Era over six
and he goes out tonight and he freaking battles like
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that was a war for Ranger tonight.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And oh season warrior, dude, Ranger won the war.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And that that's what's so frustrating about tonight is that
if you would have told me Ranger would have been
done after five innings and the Phillies were winning, that
would have been a win for me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like that, I would have told you that we would
have won that game.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And then you just go out and you do that
again like Kyle Schwarber Oh for four, Trey Turner Oh
for four, Alec Boom Oh for three with a crucial error,
Jay t Oh for two. JT couldn't hit a beach
ball right now, Bryce and s West and Wilson, oh
for three. They went four for thirty one tonight in
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a do or Die Go home game. Like, I don't know, man,
it's it's it's incredibly frustrating, and it's and it's frustrating
for me, it's frustrating for you, it's frustrating for everyone that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Covers this team. It's but like as a.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Fan, like you commit all this time and like, listen,
I I cover this team, I write about this team,
I talk about this team. You talk about this team,
but we're fans, like we're fans first, and like this
whole people that cover the team can't be a fan thing.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
That's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't want to hear that, because everybody that covers
this team is is deep down a fan of this team.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And of course your fan.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Bing this fan base that goes out there and has
your back for one hundred and sixty five games, straight
through the booze, through the cheers, and then it's just
you just go out sad. I mean, there's a lot
of things that went wrong in this series, but if
you can't hit, you can't win. And that's really the
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biggest takeaways is if you go out there and you
go four for thirty one, and in the first three
games of the season of the playoffs, you score one
run in the first fifteen innings of each game. It's
just simply just not good enough.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's just not good enough.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You're playing from behind, Philip haven't got out.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can't do that against a team like that. That
team fights, man, And I hate the Mets. There is
not a single team in all of sports that I
hate more than the Mets. And I think that rivalry
got a little sour the last few years, and it
wasn't as big just because of really how the Mets
were playing. And I think everyone was like, all the
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Braves are the biggest rivalry. And if you've watched this
team for as long as I have and as long
as you have, you know there's not a rival for
this team that even comes close to the New York Mets.
And to go out like that against a team like that,
I mean, listen, man, they fight. Francisco Indoors a hell
of a baseball player, like and I'll say this, I
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give that dude a lot of credit. He cracked that
grand slam, he dropped his bat.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And he ran around. He's all business man. The Dude's
all business.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I don't like a single other player on this on
that Mark Viano's is good. Brandon Nemo' is a dork,
Pete Alonzo's a dork. Jesse winkers at dork. But they fight, Man,
they at least show some hard out there.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
You gotta tip your cap to Mark Fiano's. Dude, guy
starts in the Triple A. You gotta do Iglesia, same thing.
The guy's been, you know, almost a decade in baseball,
been in Triple A. That's the one thing that I
will tip my cap to. And you gotta respect dude.
Like Fiano's was not the third baseman coming into the season.
Brett Baidy was there, he didn't work out. Viento's took
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advantage of a situation and now he's a postseason star.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Like, as a baseball fan, you can kind of step
back outside of being a Phillies fan and be like, dude,
that is awesome. Good for this guy taking full advantage
of his opportunity. Iglesias, you know, forget his song and stuff,
but I'm another guy who's just battling to get you know,
playing time and taking advantage of his situation. But yeah,
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the Lindor home run, dude, I mean in probably the
biggest hit of his career. I mean honestly, dude, that
sends his team to the NLCS, and he just drops
it down. Even the post game when he was talking
about he's just like, yeah, you know, like he knew
there was bigger things to come. And it's just like
you respect something like that, you know, as opposed to
like a Jesse Winker who'd probably you know, you know,
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moon the ground or something, you know, so mad he won.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, it's just it sucks, like there's there's truly no
other word for it, Like it just it stinks.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
One thing that you want to men about, like the
at bats and stuff. The one thing I will credit
Kyle Schwarber to is quality at bats and working at bats.
Didn't have a hit, I understand, it doesn't matter you
don't have a hit, you didn't produce, but at least
productive at bats, dude, filing pitches off, working full counts.
That's what I want to see in the postseason or
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just you know, anytime. So that was just one thing
that I noticed. I was like, Schwarves is at least
working the count. He's working this picture, he's quality at
bats when you're looking at some of these other players
who just look lost up there. Dude, I mean even
Bom in the field that play at third base, he's
kind of looking should I wait, Should I charge it?
Should I look at second? Just like weird stuff going on.
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So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, it's and I mean you can look at the abats,
but I will say this about specifically Kyle Schwarber, that
dude's a warrior. Like you can sit here and you
can tell me he went one for thirteen or he
went over twelve since his since his home run, But like.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I would go to war for that man like that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, yesterday, Sean and I's first seventy one pitches
twenty of.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The more to Kyle Schwarber.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Kyle Schuber knew what they had to do yesterday, Like
you had to go out there and you had to
get him out of the game, and that was all
Kyle Schwarber's goal.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And also less I will say that it's just like
it hasn't worked, right.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I mean, if you look at twenty twenty two, that
season was a success. It sucks that they lost and
it sucks that they didn't bring it home. But that
season was absolutely a success.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Last year sucked.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Last year ripped my art out, like absolutely ruined me.
And this season it's just it's just sad.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So yeah, look, let's let's talk about the difference between
twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four, because those are
completely different. So, like you said, I would agree with you.
In twenty twenty two, we're not supposed to be here,
nobody believes we can do it. We're riding those vibes,
those that wave of excitement and sneaking into the postseason
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for the first time, for a postseason that was expanded
for the first time in baseball. The Phillies got that
seed to get into the postseason, and they ride that
out and they have a magical series against the Cardinals
and they do what they do, So that exactly a success.
Like you're like, wow, we can see what we're capable of.
Last year, complete letdown when you're coming home to the Bank,
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which is supposed to be the most ruckous home crowd
field advantage, and then this year feels it feels very different,
And honestly, it feels very much more of a letdown.
Would you say more so last year or this year,
I feel just because the expectations weren't reached. We didn't
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even get to the NLCS. Dude, that bounce first round,
first round dude, And the regular.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Season they're going backwards.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Like if you look at if you look at the
last three seasons, Like it sucks to say, but you
go from a World Series loss to an NLCS loss
to an NLDS loss, and it's just like, I don't know,
and like I'll say this, this team's gonna look different
next year. I mean they're strictly just going to have
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to like there's no other choice. You just can't run
it back again. Guys like like, I mean, you can
start at the top. Bryce Harper is not going anywhere.
Trey Turner big letdown right now, just not going anywhere. Nick,
I don't think he goes anywhere. I think Cassie's here
to stay. I think Cassie had cass had a really
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good playoffs. I mean, for tonight, he was he was,
he was hitting like three eighty five this playoffs. Kosher
not going anywhere, listen, man, after that, I don't, I
don't know. Alec Boom, I I don't I don't think
Alec Boom comes back.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I did you like that question from Tim Kelly?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I I I think I liked the question. I I
didn't love I don't think. I don't think I love
the exchange in general. I thought it was just kind
of a bit of a weird exchange.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't think Boom liked it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I I really don't think Bom liked You could tell
I didn't really listen to the entire question.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I really just heard his answer.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
But I don't know, like I, I don't know if
Alec Boom comes back. I don't know if Brandon Marsh
comes back. I don't know if Johann Rojas comes back.
I don't know if Bryson Stock comes back. I would
expect Stop back. I think out of those four guys,
I would think he's probably the one that has the
best chance of coming back. I don't think they're giving
up on Stot. That dude plays unbelievable defense. He's gotten
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some really clutch hits. He's he's not owed like an
official contract. I don't I don't really see him going anywhere. Frankly,
I don't think another team is gonna be really give
him like big, big money. I mean as far as
pitching Nola, Wheeler, Sanchez here, Ranger here. They don't want
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to lose Ranger. I think I think the money thing
may get a little weird with the Ranger, but if
they can pay him, they're gonna pay. And that dude's
a warrior. He battled his ass off. He battles his
ass off every single playoffs. That's a guy that I
want on my team. After that, I don't I don't know, man,
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I'll say this. I think Jeff Hoffman lost a lot
of money this playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Broth happened to the bullpen?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Dude, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The guys that we talked about, Luke, we talked about this.
We got on a pod earlier in the season. Remember
you were like Alvarado, Kirkering and Hoffman, that's seven eight nine.
You can go in there. We're like, dude, we'll take
anybody out with that. The era this postseason from those
guys thirty nine forty two unreal, dude. Granted they're not
they were not put in advantageous situations, but that's what
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you're getting paid to do. And it's just like the bullpen,
and I thought that was the one thing that we
could hang on to. We're like, all right, maybe it
was a little bit of rocky and but like they've
been the steadfast all season, Like you know, bullpen's good,
bullpen's good, and then you come and you shit the bed.
I mean, granted, you gotta score runs, but it's just like, dude,
what happened to the bullpen?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, it's and I mean the most frustrating part about
that is just the entire flip from the regular season.
I mean, I went into this playoff saying, this is
the best bull this is one of the best bullpens
we've ever had, based on regular season stats, like, not
even playoffs, not even recent history, this regular season stats.
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This was one of the best bullpens the Phillies franchise
has ever had, period.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
And then I mean they just come up small.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Jeff Hoffman looked all over the place, Matt Strom looked
all over the place. So Ryan Kirkering looked all over
the place. Carlos tessivest the meat ball to Francisco Lindor
middle dude Alvarado couldn't command. Like It's just I don't know, man,
was our bullpen that bad? Or were the Mets hot?
I mean, I I think it was a mix of both.
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I think it's on our bullpen being bad because I'll
say this, the Mets didn't do anything against our starters.
I mean what they allowed. Wheeler allowed nothing, Sanchez allowed
what one two to y, Nola allowed two like, and
Ranger allowed none like. I mean, I'll say this, the
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starting pitching was just unbelievable. And I know we've already
talked about it, but like they they were unbelievable this playoffs.
They did they did everything that they've done this regular season.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They did it and better.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I mean, you didn't get your best from Sanchez or Nola,
but you still got really good outings and it and
it's poor offensive production that alters an outing like that.
You can't ask Aaron Nola to go out in city
field and give you seven shutout. It's just not gonna happen.
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It's it's just it's really frustrating.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
We do a few comments here.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The newly rebranded Phillies Muse is now the CanCon Wow
sending prayers to you and your family, Luke Phillies Mus,
I appreciate it. If you guys, for some reason don't
already follow Phillies Mus He's probably the best follow on
Philly's Twitter. Yeah, this sucks, man.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
You you waited.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Twelve months to go one and three in the playoffs.
You have to fix the lineup, you absolutely do. I
wouldn't be surprised if you told me next year five
through nine all weren't back.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I wouldn't be insanely surprised.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's just at some point you have to budge hottest
of hot teams versus coldest of cold It's a momentum sport,
and we never had a minute of it.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah. I mean you had momentum for ten minutes in
Game three. That's it.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You had it for game Game one, and you had
it for two innings of Game three, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Philly's did a great job hitting.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The mistakes all regular season. There weren't many middle middle
mistakes from the Mets this series. Yeah, they got four
good enough starts to have a good chance, and yeah,
that's that is exactly the issue. Four of your starters
put you in a really good spot in these four games,
and the offense blew it. It's just frustrating, and like
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you can go back and you can look at certain
innings because they're I think there were Honestly, every game
they're lost, there was one big inning that I think
killed them. And I mean as as far as tonight,
I mean it, it just has to be the sixth inning. Yeah,
you get a leadoff double from Bryce Harper. I mean,
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what that's your Is.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That your second hit of the night. Yeah, it's your second,
it's your first, No, it can't be your first.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, all right, it's your second hit of the night. Right,
Harper starts you off. Jose Quintana comes out of the game,
freaking read Garrett.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, freak Garrett, who.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Like, come on read Garrett comes in the game.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Nick Cassiano strikes out swinging Alan Boom alet boom.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Works, actually works a pretty good walk.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I can't believe Alec Bohom saw more than three pitches
in an at bat. And then just a future it
at bat from JT and just a Bryson stop rollover.
And then the seventh I mean, I listen, I can't
expect much in the seventh after that, Lindor Homer, you're
not gonna get much.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But even you can go look at the ninth too.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And I mean at that point, I I.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Think everyone thought the game was done.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
At that point, I didn't think they were gonna go
out and and and and really rally in the ninth.
But Edwin Diaz is all over the place. He walks jt,
he walks Stott, and then you pinch it for Cody Clemens,
he strikes out, Brandon Marsh flies out, and then it's
just an unfortunate at bat for Schwarber. I still don't
think Kyle Schwarber has a single hit against Edwin Diaz
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in his career.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He was over nine with seven strikeouts at that point.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Just it's it's just frustrating. I mean, bottom line is
they had their chances. Yeah, I mean Phillies were built
to win that game six to four and couldn't boils
down on offensers like you're saying, yeah, I mean like
you can look at everything.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
You can look at bullpen, you can look.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
At managing decisions, and I and I and I will say,
Jeff Howton was out there.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
For let's talk about that, dude. I usually I usually
don't like to rip Topper.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Topper is a bullpen really well, I I really do
up until that moment.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And then can we also agree that he is also
a beneficiary of a great lineup to manage, so it
makes it very hard to look bad when you have
such a talented lineup as well. Both of those things
can exist, right, Yeah, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Absolutely you can be you can be a good manager
and you can also be a be a good team
merchant at the same time. I think that that really
happens for a lot of teams. Yeah, I mean seven
eight nine with Hayes, Sosa Rojas in game three, uh top,
I realize that and obviously went to marsh Wilson still
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couldn't get it done. And I this is where I'm
at right now too, is because you go and you
think about, right, every deadline comes up, and we're like,
let's push this all these chips in and and let's
go for it, and.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Let's win a world series. Let's win a world series.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And you go out there and your deadline acquisitions the
last two years are Ridolfo Castro, Austin Hayes, and Carlos Estevez.
Austin Hayes was the biggest bat that the Phillies got
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at the trade deadline, right Austin he did deal with
some injuries and stuff like that, and he didn't look
terrible before he got hurt. Here.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh, and I'm not even sticking up for him. I'm
just saying, like, what the mar was right? We know
Randya Roseraina was out there. We know Luis Robert was
out there. So we look at the market, right, Luise
Robert very low floor, right or yeah, low floor? If
he gets injured, what does it matter. Austin Hayes didn't
have too much room for him on Oriole's roster. So
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when you look at I guess I just look at
the market like I would like to say, yeah, let's
go get you know, a great bat, but there really
wasn't too much out there. Like I said, Rose Arena
or Luise Robert, Austin Hayes was there, I guess. But
now at this point, dude, I'm like, you gotta just
all the gyps and you gotta push it all in
because look what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You don't need you got a question mark in left field.
You have your closer that you that you picked up
throw a ninety nine middle middle with bases loaded to
their best hitter did not pan out? Do you put
that on Dombrowski Because I saw a lot of people
calling for Dombrowski too.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think you have to.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
He's the he is the guy that really pulls the strings.
I mean, if and I get it. There, there wasn't
like you said there, there wasn't a ton of options.
And I'll say this, I and I may get called
crazy for this, I'm still happy they didn't trade for
Luis Robert. I don't think trading all those prospects for
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that changed what happened.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I don't think Luis Robert in this playoff wins them
a world series.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
It just doesn't do it. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I
mean you can put Louise Robert into this series and
they don't win.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So in that aspect of it, it's it's tough because
there wasn't a ton of options, but like you got
at least try, like you have to try more. And
and I and and I and I will never forget this.
I was sitting there the day of the deadline. I
was sitting right here, and it was half hour till
the deadline whatever, and it's like, dude, you're gonna roll
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with Austin Hayes, like this is what we're doing right now,
Like and I get it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Austin Hayes's he was fine. No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He wasn't fine, He wasn't good enough. But like that's
your bat, Like that's the guy you go get, right
for a team that's trying to win.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
A World Series.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And at the time, the National League didn't look that scary.
The Padres weren't playing good baseball at that time, the
Mets weren't this at that time, the Diamondbacks were iffy.
The Dodgers were the Dodgers. But I've said for months,
the Dodgers are gonna choke. They stink too, they can't
pitch to save their life. Like this National League three
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months ago wasn't scary. And that's why we said it.
That was the biggest reason at the deadline that they
had to go all in, because there was such a
chance there. I mean, you can go get a guy
like Brent Rooker, and and I think that there's some
pros and cons there to really who you want to get,
and and maybe the fit wouldn't have worked, that would
have required Schwarbert probably moving back to the outfield. But
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I would have loved Brent Rooker in the series. And
I don't think that fixes everything, Like I don't I
don't know what Brent Rooker into this lineup.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
If they win, I still think they lose.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
But remember when he went off in that series right
before the All Star Game, it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Was like tryout, yeah, and then you go get Austin Hayes.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
H go get a platoon guy. And we said, and listen.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I love the vibes marsh Springs, and I think, deep
down I think he's a pretty good baseball player.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But he's just not an everyday guy.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And and if you can't see that, then I don't
know what to tell you. Johann Rojas plays unbelievable defense.
He can't hit every postseason game for a World Series
contending team. Listen, I think the JT Realmuta thing is
gonna start to decline.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He looks he's going to it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He's already had injuries problems this season.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Injuries are building up. He doesn't look good.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think that's gonna get bad fast. I don't know, man,
I I don't think Alec Bohm comes back. I think
that's where I'm at right now with Bom.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
This feels like.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Tonight to me that Alec Bohm had his last at
bat in the Phillies' uniform.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I just I don't see it. I don't see the vision.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't see giving a guy like that a contract
when you have a guy like Aiden Miller ready in
a year and a half.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I I do feel bad, though, Luke. We go back
and say, I've said a regular season means nothing. We
get it. But he had I believe, like the fourth
most doubles this season. The guy like, was it you
said a double? Merchant?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like he hit so many extra base hits all season.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He was in the MVP race for the first four
months of the season.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Like almost won the home under.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And not that that means much.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Like, I don't know, man, it's it just crumbled and
and I'll never understand it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And and I'll go and I'll go, I'll just go
back to this. It's like.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If if you're sitting there in somebody's replies tonight, and
and you're sitting there as a fan, and and you're
sitting there on your keyboard and and and you're replying, I.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Told you so, I told you so, I told you so. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
If if that helps you, then then I I will
tip my cat to you.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That's not how I think I don't think that's how
you think they have the scene here, They had tea
here and they came up small. And I get it
if like, once again, take your victory lap.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
But what I saw for the first four.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Months of the season that was World Series winning baseball
team and freaking crumble.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're always going to try and poke holes, right, Luke,
Remember the strength of the schedule. They're not playing anybody,
They're nothing. They won thirty games, the first team to
thirty games. They didn't play anybody, and then they finished
with the second most wins in baseball. There's no way
that you can tell me with the straight face that
the Phillies aren't a good team. And just look at Vegas, dude.
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Vegas has all the money. There was a reason why
they were third favorites to win the World Series for
a reason. That's where all the money was. That's all
the talent is. So don't tell me like, oh, yeah,
I could call it fine, whatever, say you can call
it yeah, I congrats you. But there's no way you
can tell me this isn't It's just yeah, when the
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lights are brightest and when it matters most, the offense
will dictate how far this team goes and it just
doesn't happen. And I don't know how to fix it
because we saw the regular season. We see what they
did the last three years, Like, this is a good team,
this is a good offense, They have a good bullpend.
They are on paper, a better team than the Mets.
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I don't care what anybody says. They are a better
team on paper. But it doesn't matter what the paper says.
You have to show up in between the lines. And
that's what hurts, dude, That's what hurts. It's like if
you're smarter or faster than someone else and someone else gets,
you know, wins the race or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just they have.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
It, dude. They had it.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
They had it, and it's going to look different now.
And that's what makes me sad is the last three
years twenty two, twenty three, and twenty four, there was
a cohesion of the team and the vibes and the
players and it was majority of the same guys. And
now things have to be different. They're going to be different.
They have to be different. Daycare that might that's probably
(33:55):
the last daycare game, right, We're not gonna see that anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
There's no daycare when you're twenty eight years old. Yeah,
you can be a daycare.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's a guy in the daycare that acts like he
should be in daycare. So it's it's tough, man, and
really just just want to hit on like what you said,
and we can get out of here. But it's it's
frustrating because you go back and you think about twenty
twenty two and you think about twenty twenty three, and like.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That twenty twenty two team wasn't supposed to be in
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
They weren't supposed to beat the Cardinals, they weren't supposed
to beat the Braves, they weren't supposed to beat the Padres.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
They only got in because he expanded playoffs. That's the
only reason they got in.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
And they did and they got in, and magic happened,
and you thought this team was just gonna run with
this core forever and and and honestly, that's what it
felt like. You had a young core back then, and
then you go into last year and you just come
up so small in the best stadium world.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
You'll lose the last two games of the NLCS, and.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Then you win the National League East for the first
time in thirteen years, and you win ninety five games,
and you have the second best record in the entire league,
and you look like the best team in baseball for
the first four months, and then you just go out
there against your division rival and you just look like
you shouldn't be in the same.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
League as them, and you.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Don't show heart, and you go out in Game one
and you waste the best start of your Aces career.
And you go out on sat or on Sunday and
you win an awesome game and you think all the
momentum carries over. And then you go out on Tuesday
and you lay a dud for Aaron Nola. And you
go out on Wednesday and you lay a dud for
(35:45):
Rangers Suarez. And now it's just like where do you go?
Like who comes back? Who doesn't? How bad do they
want it? Like I'm so over that. Get us to
October thing, like get us to October to what just
to choke and like just to blow it away and
just to look like.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You don't care. Like they didn't look like they cared.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
And I get it, they do care, deep down, they care,
but it didn't look like it. And the entire fan
base cares about them, and everyone that covers them cares
about them, and I know they all care about themselves.
And inside that building, I know it's a tough night
and and I know it sucks, and I know it's frustrating,
(36:28):
and I know that's not what they wanted the outcome
to be. But I mean, bottom line is, they just
got out played, they got out worked, and and they
lost and and now this, this franchise could look a
lot different next year.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
So listen, I don't know where you go from here.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Obviously that core, that that veteran core will be back,
but I don't know this. This this team is going
to look different. This the these role players are going
to look different. And I think bottom line is what
sucks the most is that this fan base is going
to look different. Listen, Phillies games are gonna be sold
(37:09):
out next year. I can guarantee you that, but they're
not going to have that drive to them, I don't
think anymore, because you.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Go out and you gotta show me, you gotta show me,
you gotta.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Show me, and they just didn't again and listen, once again,
those stands are going to be packed next year, and
opening Day is listen, I'm gonna start my countdown tomorrow
because I'm a psycho and I freaking love this team.
But it's just gonna feel a little different because you
had something there, and you had a fan base behind you,
(37:46):
and you had a great clubhouse, and you had an
awesome manager that cares for his players and would freaking
die for his team, and you just come up short
against the New York Mets.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And and I can't even say short. You came up.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
By a really wide margin to the New York Mets.
They outplayed you. They wanted it more and I hate them,
but they earned it and we didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And Luke, I put it on the players one hundred percent.
But if you put up one to two runs in
your last four playoff games, five playoff games, whatever it is,
Kevin Long gotta go, dude. You did not prep the players.
And it's not on him. He's not the one taking
me at bats. But your job is to prepare your players.
(38:32):
Not saying it's maybe his fault, whatever, but when we're
talking about changes and something's got to change that offense,
whatever's whatever, However you prepared for the New York Mets
didn't work. So that needs to change. I think Kevin
Long's got to go as the hitting coach. You did
not prepare these guys when we look at Chase me
(38:53):
and you look at Baseball Savant all the time. Dude,
we look at graphs and Chase rate and.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Soon my number one search history thing on every single device,
I own I'm a psychopath. Like, yeah, I'll sit here
and I'll look at freaking Brandon Marsh's splits and on
Tuesday like I'm I'm just a psychopath, and like it's
I I don't know, it's It's frustrating because Kevin Long
has had some really awesome moments. He turned Brandon Marsh
(39:20):
into an awesome hitter two years ago. He completely flipped
around out bowm early this season. He turned Bryce and
Stott into an awesome player last year. But he can't
come back. He just he just can't, because it's.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Three years in a row.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Of the reason you lost the top of the list
is the offense, and and I just I just want
to get a final question from you here. If you
were John Middleton, take everything into account and and think
about the future, and think about what he's done good,
and think about what he's done bad.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Would you bring Rob Thompson back next year?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
No, No, Luke, I said this, Rob Thompson is a
beneficiary from a great lineup, okay me, or you could
manage this lineup pretty well, not saying we would do
We would do it pretty well because it is a
talented lineup.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Okay, Rob, Tom.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I believe you could. I bet you could. I could
probably do it better, Luke. He has been in baseball.
I think he was in nineteen ninety seven, was with
the New York Yankees. He has been in baseball for
almost three decades. Never once was he offered a managerial position.
Tell me why that makes sense. He fell into a
managerial position after Joe Girardi got fired. He was in
(40:43):
baseball for thirty years. He was with a Yankee since
ninety seven. He was with the Tigers before that. Never
offered a managerial position. I think that speaks volumes as
to how he is as a manager. I think he's
a beneficiary of a great lineup. Don't think he makes
the best decisions at all times. But when we're looking
at changes, dude, now it's over. It is over the whole.
(41:06):
And I love the song, dude, but dancing that whole vibe. Dude,
it's all gone. We got to tear it down. It's
got to be different.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Time be the one to drop the take that the
year they get rid of dancing on my own They.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Because you're you're with me?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You love that song?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Okay, because yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I may have to be the one. I don't know.
I don't want to be the one to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
But what are the Armantani brothers?
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Those are my guys. Yeah it didn't work out. I'll
tell you what.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
The arman Tani Brothers were not the reason the Phillies
lost to the Man.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I don't have much else, any final thoughts or we
can just get out of here.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Uh and then you got no.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I mean, if the Phillies would like to compensate me
for my trip to spring training in March, I would
gladly appreciate that because I spent three days out there
in clearwooter. So if they want to do that, that'd
be great. But Luke, we should go out next spring training.
I went with my buddy this year and it's it's
just so much fun. We saw you know, you're so
(42:19):
so close to the to the players. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I have never been to spring training.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh okay, never been, so I would I would love
for next year to be the first year.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
If Florida is still there, honestly, yeah, Milton military's making
his way.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
If you're watching this down in Florida, I hope you're safe.
I hope you're you're doing as best as you can.
I'm sorry that the Phillies ruined your your day, while
the worst hurricane arguably ever is probably.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Coming through here your state right now.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But on a serious note, if if, if you are
watching from from Florida or anywhere down there, I hope
everything's all right.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I hope you guys are safe. But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I don't have much else. Thanks man, thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
If you guys, for some reason already don't follow my
man on the right. He is at Sheffield Shuffler. I
believe his Twitter is at Sheffield Chef. I believe it's
s h e f F I E l D s h.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
U f F.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
He's he's he's all over. I see his stuff every
day everywhere. We technically are some workers now for crossing Broad.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
We are a baby c b We're still chasing one
of these looke fun fact. I was hammered after the
Cubs won the World Series and I got the Commissioner's Trophy,
but I got it in wrong spots, so it looks
like a penis. Look I got it like, I got
it the wrong direction.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
It only looks good at definitely looks like definitely looks
like what you said the second time. It looks like
a but it is a commissioners trophy, but it does
was not placed properly, so I needed that laugh.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
All right, Well, thank you guys, Thank you guys for
hanging out. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
On a serious note, I mean, once again, if if,
if you guys don't don't already follow him, he's an
unbelievable follow as far as me, I am, Luke Arcaney
all thinks Socials at Arcane Luke for crossing broad Fox,
A Gambler, Phillies Digest. Thank you guys for for an
awesome season. I think I can speak on both of us.
(44:31):
We we really built I think a lot more of
a following this season, and it's really because of you
guys watching and commenting and retweeting and and and liking
and reposting.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
So on a.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Serious note, thank you guys. None of this would would
be possible without you guys.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
So the Philly season is over.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I I really can't believe I'm saying that the first
week of October, but I'm a zicho and now the countdown.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
The spring training starts tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Luke, We're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I'm tell I'm going.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Let's do it, man, Let's let's freaking do it. So,
on that note, this has been another episode of Luke
and I on the Phillies. Thank you Pete. And as
far as that note, we are out of here, so
the next season.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Peace,
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