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November 23, 2022 32 mins
Tim Cates talks with Tracy Roberts about his 30 years as a teacher and high school golf coach. He is a PGA Class A Professional and author and founder of Play REAL Golf. Tracy is also an adjunct professor at Concordia University Irvine and their Masters in Coaching and Athletics Administration Program.
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Three decades as a teacher and coachLeague Championships, CIF Championships. He's in
the CIF Southern Section Hall of Fame. He's a PGA professional, a radio
personality, an author, and he'san adjunct professor in the Masters in Coaching
and Athletics Administration Program at Concordia University, Irvine. What doesn't he do?

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We talked to coach Tracy Roberts nextepisode fifty one of the Masters in Coaching
Podcast. Let's go. Well,welcome into episode fifty one of the Masters
in Coaching Podcast. I am Timkay. Thanks for being with us.
Whether you're watching on YouTube or you'relistening on iHeartRadio, Spotify, whatever platform

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you choose to listen, we appreciatethat. Thank you so much. Very
excited to talk to this week's guest. PGA class a professional author, nationally
syndicated radio personality, thirty years asan educator, a coach, a multi
championship head coach. By the way, an attract professor at Concordia University,
Irvine and the Masters and Coaching AthleticsAdministration Program. He has coached Tracy Roberts

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and he joins us now Episode fiftyone. Of the Masters in Coaching podcast,
Tracy. How you doing, Goodmorning, Tim. I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me busy time ofyear. But for you, it's
interesting. You retire from teaching andcoaching about a year or so ago,
but I get the feeling years busyas ever. Well, no, not
not quite. I like to keepmyself busy. It keeps keeps me out

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of my wife's hair. But thislast year I dealt with some health issues
and that was why I decided Ibetter cut back to schedule a little bit.
I had some electrical problems in myheart and this and that and kind
of had to go through a wholerehab deal. So the fact that I'm
doing this well at this point andnow I can feel like I can get

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back the lords really blessed me inthat way. Was the last thing You've
been on the golf court? Iplayed My last round was two weeks ago,
okay, and and I hadn't Ididn't get to play for for two
years. Yeah, So it's aIt's a good thing I talk about golf
and not to have to play itfor a living. Well, you do

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both very well. But let's getinto how you got here doing all the
things you're doing teaching at in themasters and coaching program. As I mentioned,
thirty plus years as an educator anda coach, and a really good
coach when he multiple championship CIF titlesfor boys and girls golf programs there,
and you helped start the girls programat Woodbridge as well. You're in the

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Athletic Hall of Fame there at WoodbridgeHigh School. But how did you go
down this road? How did youget to getting into education coaching? Well,
it actually is an interesting path.At first, I wasn't going to
go into coaching and I wasn't goingto go into teaching, and one of
my old coaches, every time Isaw him, said hey, why are

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you doing this other stuff? Youknow, you should be in the classroom
and you should be out on teachingsomething coaching, And finally he was absolutely
right. So I went back toschool and then found myself perfectly placed.
Woodbridge was the exact right school forme to be at. Had a bunch
of young coaches, We're all similarin age that we were helping each other

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and growing, and the athletic administration, I've got to tell you, they
understood the importance of athletics to theentire student body, not not just the
kid itself, that one person,but the community that was formed by it.
And throughout my coaching career, thesupport that they gave us was amazing.

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And I got to work with someamazing coaches. I mean I coached
basketball with Eric Bangs who's in theHall of Fame, and John Halligan who
won CI of titles, and RickGibson who won football titles. I mean,
it's it's just amazing the great staffthat I was able to grow up
with. And then most importantly,I was lucky I got good athletes because

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you know, you know the firstthree rules of being a good coach have
talent, Have talent, have talent, right, And they made me look
a whole lot smarter than I reallyam. You know, it's interesting you
talk about how you were doing somethingand a former coach tells you, hey,
you're supposed to be doing this,you should go down this road.

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I can't tell you how many timesthis episode fifty one of our podcast for
the Masters and Coaching Podcast, I'dhave to believe ninety nine percent of the
people coaches, athletic administrators, adsthat we've talked to have all experienced the
same thing. They didn't think theywere going to get into coaching and teaching
and education, and all of asudden, it's a former coach, former

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teacher that kind of points him inthe right direction. It's interesting, It
really is fascinating because I think truecoaches, they're born with the DNA.
I mean, and with all thevarious things that I've done, it all
comes back to that circle of beingable to watch the growth of someone else

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is what really gets you going.And again, I mean, if when
you think about it's kind of weird. The people from my first graduating class
at Woodbridge are now in their fiftiesand their kids are graduating from high school.
Wow. And and I still amin touch with many of them.
I mean, it's it's just phenomenal. And just just last week, I

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ran into a player that had graduatedin two thousand and three, just happen
to run into him and we talkedfor forty five minutes. And now he's
a lawyer and got three kids,and you know, I mean, it's
it's amazing just to see the differentdirections that the kids go. Kids they're
all still going to be my kids, not even the fifty but to be

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able to maintain that relationship and thenmentoring. I mean, the championships are
great, don't don't get me wrong, went and losing matters, but it's
the relationships that we're able to develop. Nobody, nobody outside coaching, will
ever know just how big an impactboth you have on them and more importantly,

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what they have on you. Absolutelywell said golf. How did you
get into coaching golf at Woodbridge HighSchool? Was golf always something that was
in your life and you just kindof fell into coaching it at the high
school level and then it took offfrom there. How'd you get then on
this road? Well, I wasa golfer young. I actually went to

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went to school at Mission Bajo Highafter my family traveled around for a while
and we went to went to Missionand played golf there and then continued my
golf thing, and that was whereI was going to go. And then
I found out real fast that Ilack something. I lacked talent and I

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was not going to be good enoughto play for a living. And so
what's the next thing you need?You start helping some people out and people
started asking and it just so happenedthat when I got to Woodbridge their second
year of having a program, theyneeded a coach. I said, you
know what, I'm there, I'mon it. I'll take care of it.

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It's great. And they said,okay, well what second sport will
you coach? Because we need peopleare going to do different sports too interesting,
which is very different. And Iwas always the last guy on the
bench at a basketball game, soI got to see a lot of good
players. So so I talked withI talked with Eric Bangs and we got

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to going together and went on arun that was just spectacular. So it
was it was just right place,right time, big guy watching out for
me. And and I've always lovedplaying and in fact, when I when
I first started it, I couldbeat pretty much everybody that I was playing
with. And then as those yearskind of go on, they started whooping

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me pretty good. So how doyou how do you your your golfer?
You're playing in high school, you'replaying in college, and then you kind
of realize not good enough to playprofessionally, but you're good enough to teach
golf. Is that something that youjust learned over the years and took what
you've learned and then kind of passit on or did you continue to learn

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as a golfer and continue then topass things on. How does that work?
Is you know, in baseball,you get to a certain level and
you've learned and you kind of learnedfrom a coach growing up. But golf
in individual sport like tenants a littledifferent. Well, that's a great question.
And the great thing about golf isthere's all sorts of different let's say,

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reference materials that you can use tolearn more. And I, I
mean, we're thieves. Let's behonest. Coaches are thieves. We're gonna
we're gonna steal from anybody and everybody. And and for me, I actually
found that using football coaches, basketballcoaches to be able to tie the athleticism

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necessary for those sports to put itinto golf. And I had my mentors
that I went back to and Iasked, hey, how did you do
this? And I watched them andand we're always being able to continually grow
and and as I became an oldercoach, you were You're able to go
back to that file and go,oh, I remember when I tried that,

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that didn't work. We've got todo this. And and probably the
most fun part and you hit onit, Tim was golf being an individual
sport. The most exciting part forme was being able to take a group
of those individuals who were used toplaying junior golf by themselves and bringing them
together and giving them that team aspect. And I would tell them and you

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asked the players, they never hadmore fun playing golf than in high school
because they learned how to reach acommon goal, how to work together,
and how even when you don't haveyour good stuff you got to give it
all you got. Yeah, andthose kind of lessons, I don't care
what somebody goes into doing, thosetypes of lessons are going to be beneficial

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for It's really exciting. What's interestingabout about high school golf? And I
think college golf is the same way. It's different than PGA play or professional
play where it's individual and you're competingagainst eighty five other guys in a four
day tournament and trying to make thecut. And for high school correct me
if I'm wrong, but it stillis individual, but your collective team score

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you're going up against other high schools. So if you're playing two or three
other high schools, you're competing asa group against those but also at the
same time you saw that individual battleamongst your team for the lowest scores and
to be the overall champions. Isthat correct? That's that's unique into itself,
is where you're individually competing to bethe best, but in a team
setting. Absolutely, And and that'swhere on the days that you don't have

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your good stuff and that's probably thebest one. And when when you're playing
good, you know you've got itand the confidence levels there. It's when
your confidence is low, and that'swhen you're going, Nope, you know
what, I'm gonna give it myall. I'm going to keep going because
the team could use my score.And and and there's there's a lot of
times it's and it's really crazy whereyou can have, you know, three

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hundred shots hit, sometimes four hundredshots hit in an eighteen old tournament and
it comes down down to one.Yeah, I mean, And that's that
in itself is crazy. And thehard part about golf coaching is the part
that people laugh at. See,we can't substitute, right, if a
guy's having a bad shooting, right, you can pull it. You can
pull that guard, put it insomebody else. Hey, once they tee

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off. I'm at their mercy.So it's all about preparation and getting them
ready to go. And you mentionedthe college golf aspect. One of the
things that I really tried to do, especially with the championship type teams,
is to prepare them for the rigorsthat college golf is going to have because
it's going to be a whole differentatmosphere, weight room, physical training,

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the travel, how to how tobe ready for that exam that you're going
to have to take in a hotelroom, those kinds of things. So,
uh, that and that was thefun part and hearing back from them
while they were playing in college.And I've got one two still left plan
that they're going to graduate this year, so they're doing great. Coach Tracy

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Roberts is with us here on theMasters and Coaching Podcast, episode fifty one,
Thank You for me with us.He's in the Woodbridge High School Athletics
Hall of Fame, the CIS SutonsSection Hall of Fame, multiple Coach of
the Year awards, CIF Championships overas three plus decades as a teacher and
a coach boys and girls golf thereat Woodbridge High School. And you also

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have play real Golf, the founderof the author of it explain to our
listeners and our viewers what is playreal golf. Play real golf is the
realist and achronism and where the wholewhere the whole idea started was as you
can tell, I'm pretty quiet guy. You know, I'd never tell stories

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or anything. No, it's ridiculous. I've got a story for everything,
and I'm not going to let agolf game get in the way up.
But but I was. I wouldtell people these stories about how people mentally
and emotionally deal with golf because it'smy belief. Of all the sports we've
got, golf is probably the closestmetaphor to life. It really is,

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because when it comes down to it, it's up to you and you've got
to stop, You've got to takecare business, and then you've got to
move on. That's not easy todo, and then you take into a
bunch of other circumstances and being ableto deal with that really makes the difficult
part of golf. Not your mechanicsof your swing, that's your emotional wechmpics.

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Yeah, that's rights. As BenHogan said, of those six inches
between your ears, yeah. Andso I got challenged by a couple of
friends of mine saying, hey,you keep talking about all this stuff.
You gotta write all that stuff downput it in a book, I said.
And I got to thinking about it, and I said, yeah,
you're right, I should. SoI created a workbook. And the workbook

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must play real golf and the realistn achronism that gave people help in their
preshot routine and the real stance forours relax, he is free, evaluate,
a was activate, and then thebiggest one l let it go.
And if you talk to golfers,that l is the toughest one. There's

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a lot of people with the realsystem. It's letting it go. That's
the hardest part. And so Igave people some techniques and ways for them
to personalize it for themselves. Andthat's why I made it a workbook.
That way they could deal with it. Because everybody's everybody's relationship with golf is

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different. Not everybody's playing competitively,and and those people are just going out
recreationally to hack around with their friendsand get outside and have some fun.
They're just as valuable in dealing withgolf. And and even if you're not
taking the golf ultra seriously. Youstill want to do well? Yeah,
yeah, And what I found isthey had a lot more fun. And

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for especially teenagers who tend to beatthemselves up as it is, I gave
specific ways that they could Okay,this is the road I'm heading down.
No I'm not. I'm going togo down this road instead, and performance
would improve and it was. It'sjust been really exciting. So I've been

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sharing that now since two thousand andsix. Wow, that is awesome.
I mean, I don't think peoplerealize, especially nowadays. I think they
do because it's so much part ofprofessional sports, amateur sports, even down
to the high school level and beyond. Is the mental preparation, the mental
aspects of of of athletics. Imean, go back, I go back
to baseball in my glory days ofthe late nineties and learning about you know,

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drawing a circle on the baseball fieldand getting in and out of that
zone and taking a deep breath andmean it being in the moment and then
if you had a bat at bat, if you're playing third base, you
know, draw a little sir,be locked in and then after the pitch
you can step out and still kindof be in your thoughts about you have
bad at bad and taking a badswing. Within the next pitch comes,
you're back in the circle. You'reready to go. I mean, the

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mental aspect of sports I think isbeing magnified and being talked about now really
tracy more than it ever has been. Oh absolutely, And you asked me
earlier how I really got into coaching. What I've found with coaching is it's
a whole lot less about what you'redoing than how you're feeling about it and
what you're thinking about it. Andso when I did my master's degree,

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I did a psych emphasis and weused for my dissertation, not dissertation for
my thesis, I'm not a doctor. For my thesis, I used the
Myers Briggs personality profiles and how youcan use those to help specialize info for

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different students and players based on thoseMyers Briggs personality And you're going to treat
an extrovert differently than you are anintrovert. You're gonna there's some kids,
I'm a guy, you gotta getmy grill, you gotta get me fired
up. But other kids, youdo that to them, they're gonna crumble
and they just they need to becoddled and huddled and that kind of thing.

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So being able to tell the differenceof that is huge And and what
I what I believe, especially withmy teaching that I'm doing now privately,
I could do my teaching with acouch just as well as being a golf
course. I really could, becauseit's it's all about getting people in the
proper frame of mind to enjoy it. Talk a little bit about getting into

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the media and and doing the radioshow and how that is. Uh,
I mean you said it. You'reyou're not shy. You'd love to talk,
love to tell stories. You've gotthings to share, which I love,
and you have an outlet to doit. Yeah. And in fact
it came as a result of thebook. Really, I really did.

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Al and Adam Gottfried asked me tocome on their show on Sunday morning in
your studios and and promote the book, and we got to talking about it,
and at that point they had anotherthey had a third host, and
so I came in. They saida couple of weeks, why don't you
come on back, Why don't youcome on back? Well, then it

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turned into Okay, here's our cohost. So it started in two thousand
and six, and and here weare. I'm still yacking with the boys
on a Sunday morning, chopping itup about golf and of course being the
big football fans we are. Youknow, we've talked football and basketball and

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travel and it's it's just a greatoutlet and it's a great way to spend
a Sunday morning when you first getup. How much Cowboys talk is?
I know you're a big Dallas Cowboysfan. Anytime I can get an open
mic, Yeah, I'm already worriedabout what's going to happen with Pollard and
being a free agent, so I'mthat's that's not bad and addicted I am

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to the Cowboys. Maybe they cutZeke and they just go with Pollard and
it's a good one. Too much, but you can probably get them cheaper
than Zeke, I think so.I think you can. So it's going
to be interesting to see. Butit's so funny too because the Godfreys have
now are in Dallas, and neitherone of them are Dallas fans. So
the only doubt, so the onlyCowboy router they've got is meet being out

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here in California makes no sense,but it's it's been a lot of fun.
And I've got to travel and meeta lot of tour players that I
wouldn't have had a chance to meetand get to know, and you find
out that they're working on the samethings that that eighteen handicaps working on,

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and they're are just doing it ina different level. It's it's really been
fun Kase to talk a little bitabout being a PGA class a professional.
What does that mean? What doesthat mean to golf? Well, and
it's actually kind of confusing. Wehear the PGA Tour and everybody thinks that

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anybody that's a PGA professional is onthe PGA Tour. Well, in fact,
to join the PGA of America andbecome a member, a full fledged
member, you have to go througha player's test, which means you have
to play thirty six whole tournament andscore a target score, and then you
have to do essentially the equivalency ofa master's program in the golf business and

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golf itself. So you go throughall these tests and it's in. My
program was two years and I'm probablyone of the few people that you'll ever
meet that became a professional athlete atage forty. At age forty, yeah,
I had never joined the PGA,and I said, on my fortieth

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birthday, okay, I've got todo something different. And I said,
you know what, that was probablya good time to go ahead and legitimize
all this teaching you've been doing.So I went down, sign myself up
for qualifying tournament, won that,and uh, here we go. Okay,
okay, okay, okay, holdon, okay. At the age

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of forty, you go and youwin a thirty sixth old tournament. Yeah,
okay, so that's that's a checkmark. You mentioned the qualification,
you got the playability test, yes, and then you have to go.
It took two years to kind ofgo through that. The program will explain
a little bit of what you hadto do during that time. I mean,
let alone, you just want totournament at the age of forty and
beat a bunch of probably young punkkids out there trying to think they're all

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hot shots. But explain that nextpart. Well, the funny part about
it was there was a bunch ofguys before we started, say where are
you going to go do this next? What? What? When's the next
one? You're signed up for andsome guy asked me, and I said,
what are you talking about. I'mgonna win this thing today. You
guys are already beat. And itjust goes to show you having that mindset

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of this has already done help me. So now you've done that, the
next step is working through a golfcourse. You have to do so many
hours there and there's bookwork and westudy a bunch of different curriculum everything from
golf swing to agronomy to how torun a golf business to I mean it

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is it is, really, itreally is a master's degree uh in golf.
And and in fact, probably oneof the best things that PJ of
America has done is they now haveprograms through several schools that you can get
your bachelor's degree and your PA certificationat the same time. Really it's interesting

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and one of my greatest success storiesis Ben Slobodian, who graduated in seven
I think, and went to UNOVgot his class class A and his degree
and his teaching now in Newport,and when he finished his uh the internships

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that he did, he came andshadowed me for probably six months before he
started working on his own. Soit's just, uh, it's really great
to see it all full circle.And and and I'm real proud of being
a member of the PGA of Americabecause it's it's all about growing the game
and sharing. That's that's the greatpart about it. So we can't talk

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about live golf here right now.You can talk about live golf, I
got, I got no problem withlive golf. I mean, hey,
it's it's a great way to makemoney. But if you're worried about your
legacy in golf, if that mattersto you, then I don't think that's
the decision you're going to make becauseif it did, Tiger could have started

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something himself years ago. Agree,And we just interviewed Davis loved the third
about that, and he had aninteresting comment. It was he basically said,
I don't mind these guys going overthere, but everybody's got to follow
rules, and all the tour membersthat are members are following those rules.

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You guys wanted the best of bothworlds. Doesn't work that way, and
I agree with that. So it'sit's going to be a very interesting thing
to see how live and the tourcoexist. But what I think and I
think I truly believe the PGA Touris going to be just fine. That's

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good to know. Good to know. All right, let's talk about your
involvement with the Concordia University Irvine inthe Matches and Coaching Athletics Administration program.
You're adjunct professor there. How longhave you been with the program teaching and
what class are you teaching or classesare you teaching? Well, here,
here's here's another one where the bigguy upstairs was was watching over me and

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and my mentors came calling. Forseveral years, Coach Bill Kennery rest as
So was teaching this class at Concordia'spart of their Masters and Coaching and it's
a class on how to coach golf, and as far as as far as

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I know, it's the only classat the graduate level in any school taught
to teach golf. And it's notabout teaching golf to give individual lessons.
It's about how to coaching and goabout the team, go about the individual
work that you have to do aswell. Well. Coach Kennedy at asked

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me to come down and help witha couple of days that he was doing
this class. And of course whenyou're talking to Coach Q. You're gonna
be there while So we stayed afterand we're chatting, and he kept saying,
you know, one of these days, you're gonna have to teach this
class, because when I stepped down, you're gonna have to take it over.
Sure. Sure, Well, asit turned out, Tom White gives

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me a call, and when CoachWhite calls, you answered, and the
answer is yes. And so Iwas honored, just thrilled truly to be
in the footsteps of coach Community andthe chance to work with this type of
program and what Tom developed with everybodyat the program. It's it's so amazing

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to be able to share. Hey, I'm an old guy. Now I
get to share, Hey, thisis what I did. See if you
can do it a better way andsee what we can can grow together.
And what's great about the classes,not only is there a classroom aspect to
it, there's a practical okay,which is which is great because not only
do the people in the class getto find out information and so forth,

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they get to go quack that littlewhite ball themselves a little bit, which
is which is a real good thingto do. And so I've I've found
it to be really exciting. It'sbeen two or three years now that I've
been doing it, and the greatest, the greatest compliment that I get is
their their final I asked them whatwas the most interesting thing that affected you?
And they have to write a paper. Not a single student in the

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three years has written about the sametopic. Think about that for a second.
Think about that. That in itselfshows you how many facets there are
to one coaching and to two golfitself. So it's it's it comes back
to building those relationships and sharing themthe right way. And it's just been

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fascinating for me, and I've learnedas much from the students as they've learned
from me. It's and that's what'sgreat about this program. And and to
see young coaches that are so firedup, that want knowledge and want it
in different ways to serve them,it really gets my juices going. And
and I find myself that that nextweek I'm I'm texting former players and they're

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just bombarding their phones with Hey,I was thinking about you. I told
you this. And I've even hadseveral of the former students come down and
do some demo stuff for them.I'll say, okay, guys, here's
you hitting this sideways. Watch howthis guy hits it. Oh yeah,
so it's it's been, it's beentruly, truly great. It has been

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fascinating talking with you, coach itis. It has been awesome to learn
about you to and about your pathto how you went down getting too coaching
and education and thirty plus years atWoodbridge and you know, see how you
have championship Hall of Fame coaching andteaching now at at Concordia University, Irvine.
The radio show. I mean,the fact that you are just staying

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busy and thankfully healthwise doing a lotbetter. Uh, we're all grateful for
that, and just thank you somuch for spending some time with this.
Really enjoyed the conversation. I knowmy listeners and viewers did as well.
I mean, if I were inthe program or thinking about going the program,
first thing I would do is tellhim I need to sign up for
this golf class because I gotta getin this guy's this this guy's class,

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because I'm gonna learn probably more thananything in that in that class, not
just about golf, but how tobe a coach and coach a team.
So It's been a fascinating to talkwith you. Thank you so much.
Well, Tim, thank you,that's that's very sweet of you to say.
I really appreciate it. And andagain thanks for having me on.
And hopefully we can aspire some someyoung coaches and athletes out there that still

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want to share some good because weneed we need good coaches out there.
Aymen, coach, thank you somuch. I have a great Thanksgiving,
Happy Holidays, Happy Thanksgiving to youand Mary Christmas. Well, there he
goes Tracy Roberts. What a guy, great stories, got a great energy
about him. You can check outhis golf class at the Masters in Coaching
at Athletics Administration program there at ConcordiaUniversity, Irvine. Find out more about

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the program. If you're thinking ofsigning up joining, want to find out
a little bit more about it ifit fits what you're trying to do.
CUI dot eedu slash coaching that CUIdot edu slash coaching. You got another
session coming up, it's very verysoon, so'll find out more about that.
The one thousand dollars scholarship for newstudents and the Masters in Coaching and

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Athletics Administration Program. Well, manythanks to coach Tracy Roberts. Check out
what he's doing at Concordia University,Irvine and check out the radio show that
he's involved in. Check out PlateReal Golf coach Tracy Roberts, a Hall
of Famer, longtime educator, coach, and teacher in Woodbridge High School.
We thank him for his time.Happy Thanksgiving to all you that are listening
and watching. Episode fifty one ofthe Masters in Coaching podcast is in the

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books. Until next time, TimKit saying so long everybody,
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