January 9, 2023 • 28 mins
Tim Cates talks with Steve Hagerty about his 35+ years coaching high school football in Southern California. Since 2008 Coach Hagerty has been at Bishop Amat HS and leading the Lancers acclaimed football program. Coach Hagerty is also now teaching a class at Concordia University Irvine and their Masters in Coaching and Athletics Administration Program.
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From almost becoming a priest to becomingone of the most successful high school football
coaches in southern California. Steve Haggarty, head football coach at Bishop of Mott
High School, is our guest onepisode fifty two of the Masters in Coaching
Podcast. Let's Go Well, Welcomeinto episode fifty two of the Masters in
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Coaching Podcast. Happy New Year's everybodyout there, as we are here now
in January of twenty twenty three,we appreciate Everyboddy who downloads the podcast watches
is on YouTube as well. Welove doing them and we're back for another
year and so excited to talk tothis week's guest, head football coach at
Bishop of Mott High School here insouthern California. Thirty six years as an
educator teacher, football coach at ParacleetHigh School, JW. North High School,
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at Riverside Poly High School, CitrusHill High School, CIF championships along
the way at every stop. Sincetwenty eight he has been the head coach
at Bishop of Mott, one ofthe powerhouse programs for the last fifty years
here in Southern California. He isSteve Haggerty and he joins US now coach.
We appreciate you coming on the podcast. How you doing, I'm doing
good? Uh, normal Monday andLa puente. We're ready to go.
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All right, so we'll start rightthere. Just gotta take us through here
January. It's the off season,but in high school football there is no
off season anymore. What are youWhat are you doing with your team?
How you guys getting better right now? Well, obviously we're we're in the
weight room. You know, that'skind of this is the time for that
kind of you know, just sortof like get back in there and uh,
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you know, get a lot ofwork going, work on the basics
of just strength development and stuff.And uh so we have we have we
have pe classes that kids are involvedin and they get their lift built into
their day. So that's kind of, you know, it's a good way
for us to be able to dothat because we can control them. I'm
not chasing them all over campus tryingto get him in the weight room.
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There, it's already pretty much builtin. And then we have multiple sport
athletes, so those kids are comingearly in the morning to get their lift
in because they're practicing after school withtheir other sports. And so it's something
that we probably have maybe five hundredand fifty boys in the school. We're
co ed, we're about eleven fiftyand so it's not a lot of kids.
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So we really encourage the kids tobe multiple sport athletes here and so,
but you know, everybody wants toget better. So that's kind of
where they are right now. AndI think some other activities would be we
are I'm I have I have anoffseason evaluation with every coach and we're going
through that process right now. Youknow, what's your intention? Are you
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coming back? Maybe they don't havethe option to come back, Uh,
you know, just getting staffing ready. And so usually in February we start
meeting as a staff throughout the springand making sure we are moving in a
direction. We want to go.What do we do well last year?
What didn't we do well? Weusually visit some a school, a university.
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Last year we went out to god, where did we go last year?
Oh, we went out to BaylorUniversity and we spent about three days
out there watching what they do.Coach Randa does a good job and and
so anyways, that's kind of likewhat's what's on my agenda is just trying
to figure out where we are withthat and then scheduling. That's always a
big part of this time of theyear, you know, making sure that
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we have a competitive schedule out there. So we're waiting for a couple of
contracts to come back, but itlooks like another good schedule. So I
want to touch upon something you justmentioned going out to Baylor and seeing coach
Randa and making that part of whatyou do with your program and your coaches.
Well, why is that important,coach? Why is that important for
you and your staff to go seeother programs and what they're doing. Sure,
I think what it does is itallows us to offer the kids that
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are in our development in our program, you know, the very best that
we can. It's just it's nodifferent than the AP teacher staying up on
what's what's important for them to teachso their kids have success when they go
to take that test. I sellit with our school, it's a professional
development that we want our We wantour I want my coaches, uh,
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you know, because we're only asgood as the guys that that help us.
I want my coaches to learn toget better. I want them to
be professional when they're on the fieldwith the kids, and I want them
to offer them the very best theycan, and so we kind of take
time to do it and looking forplaces and uh, you know last year
Baylor, you remember, they cameout of kind of nowhere and they were
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they they were you know, uhyou know, they like they run this
outside zone play that's like really good. And they don't have the best talent
necessarily in Texas, but they getthese guys to play. And coach Randa
is like, he's like this guruguy, soft spoken that has this message.
Like that's the stuff I love isto hear how he conducts he you
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know, he doesn't ever yell atthe guys and and he just has this
approach, but he seems beloved andthey're having success and so uh that there
was an attraction there for all that. So that's the reason we do it
is to let guys see how it'sdone professionally. Now these guys in college
get to do it all day long. We my guys still got to teach
algebra one and then get out there. But for the most part, we're
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trying to emulate, you know,and trying to figure out how to do
our jobs and do them really wellbecause we take a lot of pride in
the product that we put out thereon Friday nights, and so it's it's
important for us to stay up inthe game, for sure. It's a
common theme coach and it's it's nosecret that's why you're successful, and the
coaches we talk to who follow thatmodel are successful. Is never stop learning.
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Whether you're at the highest point ofyour career as a coach, most
successful part of your career, winningchampionships, league titles, how important is
it's for those listening to watch andthose coaches out there, It doesn't matter
if you're that the top of whereyou're at right now, you always got
to continue to get better and learn. Sure. I just I think it's
human nature that, you know,when when you have that attitude that you
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tend to get sloppy, you tendto be over confident, and there's a
you know, high school football isa high profile sport, and you know
there's a lot of people out thereand uh you know, judging you,
and and uh so it's a youknow, but I think I think the
biggest issue is that I just thinkwe owe it to the kids that we
offer them the very best. AndI don't want to sound corny, but
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I kind of feel like that's whereI feel like I have an obligation,
Like there's we've had tradition for years. I haven't created it. I'm just
trying to uphold it. And Ijust feel like that's a great responsibility to
try to, you know, bethat person that's going to continue to build
the program and to keep the statusof who it is, and to make
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sure that when kids leave our programthey're taking more away from it than just
blocking and tackling, you know,that we're hoping there's more takeaways that you
know that you know, they're gonnahave integrity, and they're gonna be good
people, and they're gonna whatever theydecide to do, fireman, plumber,
whatever, that they're going to haveintegrity when they do their jobs. And
and I think a lot of thea lot of what they learn out we're
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responsible for, you know, Andso I take that serious. I don't
take it lightly. And so Ithink it's all connected, you know.
I want to offer them the bestso that they can also in turn offer
the people that they influenced the bestas well. So Coach Steve Haggerty is
our guest here on the Matters inCoaching podcast, head coach at Bishop of
Modd High School here in southern California. All right, coach, let's go
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back to the beginning and how yougot into coaching in the first place.
After high school, you went toBishop ah mod You end up back many
years later as the head coach,starting in two thousand and eight. But
that road led you down several pastdifferent high schools on different levels. But
why why coaching? Why education?How did you get involved? Yeah?
I think I think I just evenwhen I was playing in high school,
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I always just felt inclined, youknow, to coach and to help others.
So I think it was kind ofjust a part of me. I
love sports. I you know,you know, I wrote a my thesis
in well, not thesis but Omy college. Uh. I don't know
what you would call it. Itwas some kind of an activity that was
a culminating activity when I graduated.I forget what they called it, but
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I did. I think mine wason moral development through athletics. Uh.
I'm a philosophy major, so Iused a lot of Aristotle and I used
a lot of like Saint Thomas Aquinasand uh and and so I've always been
intrigued and athletics has always been apart of my life and always felt like
I learned more maybe from that thanI ever did inside of a book.
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And uh so, I and Iknow there's tons of kids like that,
So I just felt like it wasa it was a great profession. And
I and I went to bispel Matand I you know, just felt the
you know, the affinity for theschool, and that's where I initially started
coaching and teaching. So, youknow, my kind of a strange route
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you talk about. I was actuallyat Saint John's Seminary College in camerill and
I was studying to be a priest. I was there three years and I
got a philosophy degree and a Spanishminor, and then I went to theology
for one year and then I gotout of it because I just felt like
I was better suited doing other things. And that's exactly what I went to
when I left there. So Ikind of find myself, you know,
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looking back over all these years,and and in a lot of ways I'm
doing I'm doing very similar things whereI've got a bunch of great kids around
me and trying to influence them aboutyou know, making decisions about life and
and you know, when they failed, they got to get up. And
so I kind of still feel like, you know, I made that choice
to leave, but I'm still kindof doing a lot of that same work,
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you know. So uh, it'syou know, it's just been uh,
it's always been. Really, Iwould say, I just feels good
to be a part of that process, you know, and I love football,
so you know, that's it's agreat way to wake up every day
and go to work. That firststop at Pericley at high school as far
as head coach, Percley High Schoolup in the Nlo Valley has gone on
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to be a very successful program,and you you helped build that with the
championships that you had there eupipirically,just just talk about that first job as
a head coach and what you werewalking into and how you kind of approached
it for that first time. Well, you know, I was an assistant
at Bisramont for six seasons and thenI had an opportunity to take that job,
and I actually was buying a houseup there with my wife. My
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wife and I we've been married thirtysix years. We have six children,
and we needed a place to stayand we couldn't buy a house around here.
So I actually I actually looked around, and uh, I got hired
up there to teach religion, andthen I got I was gonna assist the
head coach and coach, but thenhe got into a tussle with a kid
and they let him go. Andthen they basically said, you want to
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apply for the job, and Iwas like, well, listen, I
don't know if I'm ready, butlike, I already got a house up
here. I gotta all do whateverI gotta do. So I applied and
got the job, and kind oflike was a big stark difference between bis
Ramont High School and here Ercle HighSchool. They hadn't won a league game
in seven years. They were inthe High Desert League. So we were
oh and thirty five over seven years, and that's what I was taking on.
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So luckily we won two games thatyear in the league. We were
five and five overall, and weour first league game we won was three
to nothing, was great defense anda field goal, and we beat Silver
Valley High School. And that wasback in nineteen ninety two and so I
didn't know anything about what I wasdoing. And I think over there,
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I was at Peraclet eight years anduh I got to grow up as a
coach, you know, make mistakeswithout anybody being really critical, you know,
and a highly you know, theywere just we just kept getting a
little better. So it was alwaysa little better than the year before.
And we ended up winning three CIVEtitles in a row ninety seven, ninety
eight, ninety nine. And therewas a lot of you know, satisfaction
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in that because of where we hadcome from and uh, you know in
that in that time. So itwas a great place for me to raise
our kids, buy our first house, and actually grow up as a coach,
you know. And that's uh,that kind of and that's where that's
where I met Jim ko Now.And we played each other in nineteen ninety
five in the semifinals up in thehigh Desert at Annimal Valley College, and
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they beat us, uh, youknow pretty good that I think it was
a couple of touchdowns they beat us. But that was our first year in
the semifinals and it was a goodexperience for us, and and uh just
kept trying to get better. Soyour path, then back to Bishop of
Mott led you to JW. NorthHigh School, Riverside Poly High School,
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Citrus Hill High School, winning championshipsat every spot, and then the Bishop
of mod job opens up in twothousand and eight. Coach. Yeah,
it was it always kind of inthe back of your mind, like I'd
like to end up back at myhigh school. Was the timing just right?
How did that all kind of workout there in two thousand and eighty
four? Probably both A little bitin the back of my mind. Always
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had an affinity for the school.You know, I know a lot of
the guys that are coaching there.We've kind of you know, there's these
little coaching trees that take off andand you know, and I know a
lot of the guys, and uh, you know, so it was always
something back of my mind. ButI actually went to the public school because
I felt like I needed better retirement, I needed better benefits, I needed
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to make more money. I havemy wife and I we have a big
family, and so when I movedto Riverside, we bought a house out
there, and the former coach atBispuamat who hired me, Mark Perettish,
he was at JW. North HighSchool, and so he hired me and
put me, got me in theclassroom, and got me coaching with him
as an offensive coordinator with him,and then ultimately, I think within a
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year or two, he went toRCC Riverside Community College and then I took
over as head coach for him there, and uh, and that's kind of
what drew that. So in theback of my mind, you know,
I knew that the Catholic school systemwas something that I thought I was a
good fit for, but I justfelt like I needed to take care of
my family, you know a littlebetter. So and then at some point,
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you know, I just realized thatlike the quality of my day and
the calling that I felt like Ineeded to be a part of, you
know, it was probably better suitedout of Catholic High School. And Bispamat
opened up, and so I justkind of felt like it was something I
couldn't pass up and jumped back inlike one hundred percent because I really felt
kind of rejuvenated again and felt likeI was back home and felt like it
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was a place that I really couldmake an impact. They were coming off
a couple of years that they Ithink there were three and seven the year
before I got there, and so, you know, I think they were
looking for a change. And soanyways, I just told my wife looked
like usually we discussed these things,but I said, look at I really
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want to do this. So I'mnot sure how we'll do it, but
I'm jumping in. So and that'skind of and it's been a great experience
ever since, for sure. SteveHaggerty is our guest here on the episode
fifty two of the Masters in Coachingpodcast, and coach of bishop On High
School here in southern California through yourstops getting into coaching. Who are some
of the mentors in your life thathelped you kind of guide who you are
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as a teacher, as a coach, as a father, a husband and
along the way. How how arekind of things changed for you And from
being the the young coach who's absorbingto being the the elder statesman, I
guess the older coach who now you'vegot assistance under you, who are going
off in your own coaching tree.Right, Yeah, yeah, that bo,
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That's a there's a lot packed intothat question. Just my mind's racing
right now because that's you know,there was I think obviously, I think
Mark Perettez, who was probably theone of my mentors, you know,
I you know, came in nineteeneighty six at Bispelmont and coached with him,
and he was a part of alot of the success that went on
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at Bispeldmont, and so I've alwaysreally considered him, you know, a
mentor. And I just know thatwhen I was at Bisbelmont for those first
six years, there were a lotof good coaches. I felt like it
was, you know, a greatplace to, like you said, absorb
a lot of the things. Andyou know, we had great players,
but but we also, you know, had a bunch of average players.
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And I've always felt that from thatmiddle group, that average group is the
difference makers for us. It's notthe it's not the highly uh talented ones,
you know, the Dale mccutcheons andthe Eric the Enemies and the Corey
Miners and Rodney Sermons and Ralph Brownand all those guys. The guys that
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make us who we are are theaverage guys that we really focus on and
we try to take them from thataverage class and we try to make them
good. And I feel like inthe differences for us. Those are some
of the philosophies like I learned atBisbelmont that that middle group is the group
you need to focus on because that'llthat'll be the difference in the end,
you know. So I've always feltthat that's was a sound concept that I
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learned here and was around a lotof good people. Uh. Jim koonw
I, uh, you know,the coach at Orange Lutheran for many many
years. I heard him talk severaltimes. I've always been impressed by him,
his demeanor, his his the way. Uh you know, he just
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like out coached me at times whenwe were playing against them that you know,
it just made me want to learnmore and to watch their rise from
you know, small Division ten footballto Division one championship was all a part
of, you know, his doingand his leadership. And so he's always
been kind of a mentor. I'vewent to his practices, I've watched them
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practice to see how he's doing it. I've always just sort of had a
thirst for that. So I thinkthat is he's definitely someone on that mentor
list kind of a thing. Anduh, you know, I just I've
been around a lot of good people. I'm one of ten kids. So,
and I have six older brothers andthree older sisters, and a lot
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of those uh people in my familyhave been you know, I'm the youngest,
so the baby of the family.So I've had a lot of people
kind of looking after me and alot of resources to learn from. And
so family has always been important tome. And my kids have grown up,
you know, with me coaching.They've been on the sidelines holding chords
back in the day when you didn'thave cordless headphones and and uh ball boys
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running out on the field with ballsand uh, you know, my wife
has always uh you know, allowedme to do this that I love.
So it's you know, there's alot of influences. Yeah, and a
lot of people along the way thatI think are probably pretty similar to most
people's lives, you know, wherepeople you know helped mold you into who
you eventually become. For sure,no doubt it takes a village. I
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want to ask you a kind ofabout the current state of high school football.
Is a backstory. Born and raisedand something California. I went to
a public high school, graduated inninety six. It was my local high
school with six blocks away. Inhigh school, I had one friend that
transferred to a private high school toplay sports. That was it, one
kid from our local area. Everybodyelse went to the local high school.
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But the landscape of high school sportshas changed. Football basketball are kind of
at the top of it. Othersports it's trickling down as well with the
transferring, the kids don't go tolocal high school. The private versus public
debate that's out there, the superpowersof the Trinity League versus everybody else out
there. Yea, as a coach, you've seen it change over the thirty
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six years. Is there any wayto stop what's happening? Is that it's
good for high school sports? What'shappening in particular football and basketball with the
transferring and the kids going to highschools forty five minutes away. I mean
without going down along rabbit hole.Is there is there a way to get
back on track? Or is thissort of how it is now? Coach?
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Yeah, well, I mean I'man ap to say that it's just
the way it is, and Idon't see it changing anytime soon. I
think like it, you know,for me again, you know, we
could we could talk about this forhours, but uh, I just think
that a lot of times, youknow, they still call uh sports in
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high school, they call them extracurricularand uh, you know, this is
an extra curricular activity, which meansit's part of the curriculum, but it's
but it's you're still supposed to belearning and it's still supposed to be a
part of your education. And Ikind of feel like we're kind of we've
kind of moved away from that forsure, and I think the biggest and
the greatest danger of all and you'reseeing it at the NCAA level as well,
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now, where if things don't workout, you know, let's just
pick up and move. And Ijust feel like that's probably the greatest injustice
that we're kind of tying kids handsabout them learning how to work through the
things that they're going to deal with, you know, as adults, and
they you know, we all needto have, you know, a set
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of skills that we're able to digour, you know, dig in and
get after stuff in order to fixthings because the world isn't kind and it's
not going to pat me on theback. And you know, I just
feel like we're kind of selling thema bill of goods to kids that like,
hey, it's gonna be better somewhereelse, and then when you actually
get there you find that it's notthe case, then what do you do
next? And so that's my biggestissue probably with that, because I just
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you know, and again I'm nottrying to sound you know, holier than
thou. I'm just seeing like,like, if we want kids to figure
out how to deal with themselves asadults, like you know, I oftentimes
have conversation with parents, and Ijust said, look, your son's gonna
be much better if we work together, like like like you're gonna love him
one way and I'm gonna love hima different way, but in the end,
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he's going to benefit from both ofour love. And I'm just gonna
tell him, like, look ityou don't have your stuff, you're not
going to practice today, and youdon't need to fix it. It's better
for him to learn it because ifyou fix it, he's gonna do it
again and you're gonna have to keepfixing it and he's not going to learn
anything. So those are just smallexamples of like how and I try to
I try to tell him, likeyou want your son to to advocate for
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himself, So let's let him cometo me, don't call me on the
phone, tell him, encourage himto come and talk with me, and
let him an ideal with it,because that's the world he has to live
in. And the sooner you dothat, the better off he's gonna be,
and he's gonna have a better setof tools that he's gonna be able
to cope with this thing called life. And that that's what I think,
like our job is. So,you know, if you can win a
championship by doing things the right way, I think that's critical and I think
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that that naturally will take care ofitself. But I still feel like doing
it the right way is really importantand it's our jobs to be able to
do that. So when you askme, are we, I just don't
see it changing much and I don'tI don't, you know, especially when
well, I'll give you an example, so you know we're we. You
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know, we were used to bein the mix for you know, Division
one football, and that gap haswidened so much now. Uh. And
and it doesn't have to do withuniforms, It doesn't have to do with
coaching, It doesn't have to dowith you know, the schedule we play
or that we only travel but onceevery couple of years. What the difference
is that, you know, Ican't I can't have a kid come to
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our school when he has to paytuition here and it's free other places,
or he's gonna get picked up ina van, or his parents might end
up on the payroll. Uh,and all of those things, you know,
and again I'm not mentioning any names, but all of those things are
out there as strategies that are pullingpeople to certain programs and they're just stockpiling
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kids. And so bottom line islike, I don't think it's healthy.
I don't think uh, with allthe you know, the two there's two
programs that are you know, maybethree or four, it just depends on
which years there are. But buteverybody's stacked in the one place, and
it just doesn't seem like uh.And development is still a part of this,
at least the way we see it. When you come in as a
freshman, you know, that's theweight rooms about, and that's about the
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coaching, and it's about learning thesystem. So there the we still are
one of those programs we develop ourkids. We have a lot of kids
that stay here four years and soagain, I think that's some of the
issues that you're you're alluding to forsure. Yeah, well, stead coach,
you hit it right on the head. The first sign of adversity,
a kid wants to bolt, akid wants to leave, and that people
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are letting them do that. Andas a father of three girls, I
try to instill what you were justtalking about a lot of that, uh
and my girls. So it's it'sawesome to hear that. I love it
and we're on the same page,and I think a lot of people feel
that same way as well. Aswe wrap things up, Coach, you're
gonna be teaching now in Concordias Mastersand Coaching Athletics Administration program. You're gonna
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be doing it for the first timecoming up here here in February. I
know you're excited about that. Andwell, what class are you teaching?
And and why why teach at thecollege level. It's a little different for
you doing that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a it's a coaching uh,
principles and leadership uh something along thoselines. And there are you know,
I I uh kind of been curious. I've I've always kind of been
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a teacher. I enjoy it.I'd love to uh share and help people
see different perspectives on you know,how things can be done. You know,
there's three textbooks in the class.I've read two of them already,
and I'm kind of already aligned philosophicallywith what the books are all about.
Read them a while ago, anduh they you know, they're there are
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things that I've sort of like,you know, kind of hang my hat
on as well. So, uh, you know, things like you know,
being a being a significant coach ratherthan successful, being like a instead
of a transactional coach, being atransformational coach. Like those are things that
like I'm anxious to share. Thoseare things that I believe in, I
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have a passion about, and sobeing able to share those with other coaches,
you know, if they're getting intothe business or they're starting, they're
looking for their masters. I kindof feel like this is one of the
core courses that they all have totake, and so I kind of feel
like it's right up my alley.And I know with Jim and I talked
and he basically said, coach,I've seen you do it for a lot
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of years. I think he'd begreat in this role. Sharing your experiences
with people in your passion, andso that's kind of what started it all.
So I'm gonna give it. I'mgonna give a run at it.
We got I got one class.Well, it's start in February, and
hopefully it goes well and people learnsome things and you know, they'll have
me back. So we'll take ita day at a time. Though,
kind of cool you're coaching tree coachis not going to just be on the
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field. Who knows, you cankind of pour into some other coaches at
different sports, different levels in theircareers and they'll take off from there and
you'll be a part of that teachingthis class. So thank you so much
for joining us on the podcast.Great to catch up with you. It's
great to hear your story from almostbecoming a priest to becoming a head coach
and one of the most recognized highschools here in southern California. We certainly
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appreciate, I know our list ofyours appreciate catching up with you. Looking
forward to your class start here inFebruary and hopefully a long run teaching at
Concordia. Thank you so much.All right, Tim, thank you,
it's good time. Appreciate it.Well, there he goes Steve Haggard,
he head football coach at Bishop AmattaHigh School here in Southern California. What
a journey he has had from almostbecoming a priest to then becoming one of
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the most successful high school football coacheshere in southern California over the last thirty
five years, from Paraclete High Schoolto Riverside to since two thousand and eight,
to head football coach at his almamater, Bishop Amott Go Lancers.
As he has got that program continuingto be one of the powerhouses in southern
California, even in this current landscapeof high school football. We appreciate coach
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and make sure you check out hisclass. If you're thinking about enrolling in
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be one of the first to takehis class this spring. His first class
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Coaching. Thanks to Coach Haggerty,thanks to you for listening and watching episode
fifty two, and the Masters inCoaching podcast is in the books until next
time. So long, everybody,
From almost becoming a priest to becomingone of the most successful high school football
coaches in southern California. Steve Haggarty, head football coach at Bishop of Mott
High School, is our guest onepisode fifty two of the Masters in Coaching
Podcast. Let's Go Well, Welcomeinto episode fifty two of the Masters in
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Coaching Podcast. Happy New Year's everybodyout there, as we are here now
in January of twenty twenty three,we appreciate Everyboddy who downloads the podcast watches
is on YouTube as well. Welove doing them and we're back for another
year and so excited to talk tothis week's guest, head football coach at
Bishop of Mott High School here insouthern California. Thirty six years as an
educator teacher, football coach at ParacleetHigh School, JW. North High School,
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at Riverside Poly High School, CitrusHill High School, CIF championships along
the way at every stop. Sincetwenty eight he has been the head coach
at Bishop of Mott, one ofthe powerhouse programs for the last fifty years
here in Southern California. He isSteve Haggerty and he joins US now coach.
We appreciate you coming on the podcast. How you doing, I'm doing
good? Uh, normal Monday andLa puente. We're ready to go.
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All right, so we'll start rightthere. Just gotta take us through here
January. It's the off season,but in high school football there is no
off season anymore. What are youWhat are you doing with your team?
How you guys getting better right now? Well, obviously we're we're in the
weight room. You know, that'skind of this is the time for that
kind of you know, just sortof like get back in there and uh,
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you know, get a lot ofwork going, work on the basics
of just strength development and stuff.And uh so we have we have we
have pe classes that kids are involvedin and they get their lift built into
their day. So that's kind of, you know, it's a good way
for us to be able to dothat because we can control them. I'm
not chasing them all over campus tryingto get him in the weight room.
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There, it's already pretty much builtin. And then we have multiple sport
athletes, so those kids are comingearly in the morning to get their lift
in because they're practicing after school withtheir other sports. And so it's something
that we probably have maybe five hundredand fifty boys in the school. We're
co ed, we're about eleven fiftyand so it's not a lot of kids.
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So we really encourage the kids tobe multiple sport athletes here and so,
but you know, everybody wants toget better. So that's kind of
where they are right now. AndI think some other activities would be we
are I'm I have I have anoffseason evaluation with every coach and we're going
through that process right now. Youknow, what's your intention? Are you
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coming back? Maybe they don't havethe option to come back, Uh,
you know, just getting staffing ready. And so usually in February we start
meeting as a staff throughout the springand making sure we are moving in a
direction. We want to go.What do we do well last year?
What didn't we do well? Weusually visit some a school, a university.
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Last year we went out to god, where did we go last year?
Oh, we went out to BaylorUniversity and we spent about three days
out there watching what they do.Coach Randa does a good job and and
so anyways, that's kind of likewhat's what's on my agenda is just trying
to figure out where we are withthat and then scheduling. That's always a
big part of this time of theyear, you know, making sure that
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we have a competitive schedule out there. So we're waiting for a couple of
contracts to come back, but itlooks like another good schedule. So I
want to touch upon something you justmentioned going out to Baylor and seeing coach
Randa and making that part of whatyou do with your program and your coaches.
Well, why is that important,coach? Why is that important for
you and your staff to go seeother programs and what they're doing. Sure,
I think what it does is itallows us to offer the kids that
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are in our development in our program, you know, the very best that
we can. It's just it's nodifferent than the AP teacher staying up on
what's what's important for them to teachso their kids have success when they go
to take that test. I sellit with our school, it's a professional
development that we want our We wantour I want my coaches, uh,
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you know, because we're only asgood as the guys that that help us.
I want my coaches to learn toget better. I want them to
be professional when they're on the fieldwith the kids, and I want them
to offer them the very best theycan, and so we kind of take
time to do it and looking forplaces and uh, you know last year
Baylor, you remember, they cameout of kind of nowhere and they were
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they they were you know, uhyou know, they like they run this
outside zone play that's like really good. And they don't have the best talent
necessarily in Texas, but they getthese guys to play. And coach Randa
is like, he's like this guruguy, soft spoken that has this message.
Like that's the stuff I love isto hear how he conducts he you
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know, he doesn't ever yell atthe guys and and he just has this
approach, but he seems beloved andthey're having success and so uh that there
was an attraction there for all that. So that's the reason we do it
is to let guys see how it'sdone professionally. Now these guys in college
get to do it all day long. We my guys still got to teach
algebra one and then get out there. But for the most part, we're
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trying to emulate, you know,and trying to figure out how to do
our jobs and do them really wellbecause we take a lot of pride in
the product that we put out thereon Friday nights, and so it's it's
important for us to stay up inthe game, for sure. It's a
common theme coach and it's it's nosecret that's why you're successful, and the
coaches we talk to who follow thatmodel are successful. Is never stop learning.
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Whether you're at the highest point ofyour career as a coach, most
successful part of your career, winningchampionships, league titles, how important is
it's for those listening to watch andthose coaches out there, It doesn't matter
if you're that the top of whereyou're at right now, you always got
to continue to get better and learn. Sure. I just I think it's
human nature that, you know,when when you have that attitude that you
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tend to get sloppy, you tendto be over confident, and there's a
you know, high school football isa high profile sport, and you know
there's a lot of people out thereand uh you know, judging you,
and and uh so it's a youknow, but I think I think the
biggest issue is that I just thinkwe owe it to the kids that we
offer them the very best. AndI don't want to sound corny, but
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I kind of feel like that's whereI feel like I have an obligation,
Like there's we've had tradition for years. I haven't created it. I'm just
trying to uphold it. And Ijust feel like that's a great responsibility to
try to, you know, bethat person that's going to continue to build
the program and to keep the statusof who it is, and to make
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sure that when kids leave our programthey're taking more away from it than just
blocking and tackling, you know,that we're hoping there's more takeaways that you
know that you know, they're gonnahave integrity, and they're gonna be good
people, and they're gonna whatever theydecide to do, fireman, plumber,
whatever, that they're going to haveintegrity when they do their jobs. And
and I think a lot of thea lot of what they learn out we're
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responsible for, you know, Andso I take that serious. I don't
take it lightly. And so Ithink it's all connected, you know.
I want to offer them the bestso that they can also in turn offer
the people that they influenced the bestas well. So Coach Steve Haggerty is
our guest here on the Matters inCoaching podcast, head coach at Bishop of
Modd High School here in southern California. All right, coach, let's go
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back to the beginning and how yougot into coaching in the first place.
After high school, you went toBishop ah mod You end up back many
years later as the head coach,starting in two thousand and eight. But
that road led you down several pastdifferent high schools on different levels. But
why why coaching? Why education?How did you get involved? Yeah?
I think I think I just evenwhen I was playing in high school,
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I always just felt inclined, youknow, to coach and to help others.
So I think it was kind ofjust a part of me. I
love sports. I you know,you know, I wrote a my thesis
in well, not thesis but Omy college. Uh. I don't know
what you would call it. Itwas some kind of an activity that was
a culminating activity when I graduated.I forget what they called it, but
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I did. I think mine wason moral development through athletics. Uh.
I'm a philosophy major, so Iused a lot of Aristotle and I used
a lot of like Saint Thomas Aquinasand uh and and so I've always been
intrigued and athletics has always been apart of my life and always felt like
I learned more maybe from that thanI ever did inside of a book.
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And uh so, I and Iknow there's tons of kids like that,
So I just felt like it wasa it was a great profession. And
I and I went to bispel Matand I you know, just felt the
you know, the affinity for theschool, and that's where I initially started
coaching and teaching. So, youknow, my kind of a strange route
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you talk about. I was actuallyat Saint John's Seminary College in camerill and
I was studying to be a priest. I was there three years and I
got a philosophy degree and a Spanishminor, and then I went to theology
for one year and then I gotout of it because I just felt like
I was better suited doing other things. And that's exactly what I went to
when I left there. So Ikind of find myself, you know,
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looking back over all these years,and and in a lot of ways I'm
doing I'm doing very similar things whereI've got a bunch of great kids around
me and trying to influence them aboutyou know, making decisions about life and
and you know, when they failed, they got to get up. And
so I kind of still feel like, you know, I made that choice
to leave, but I'm still kindof doing a lot of that same work,
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you know. So uh, it'syou know, it's just been uh,
it's always been. Really, Iwould say, I just feels good
to be a part of that process, you know, and I love football,
so you know, that's it's agreat way to wake up every day
and go to work. That firststop at Pericley at high school as far
as head coach, Percley High Schoolup in the Nlo Valley has gone on
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to be a very successful program,and you you helped build that with the
championships that you had there eupipirically,just just talk about that first job as
a head coach and what you werewalking into and how you kind of approached
it for that first time. Well, you know, I was an assistant
at Bisramont for six seasons and thenI had an opportunity to take that job,
and I actually was buying a houseup there with my wife. My
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wife and I we've been married thirtysix years. We have six children,
and we needed a place to stayand we couldn't buy a house around here.
So I actually I actually looked around, and uh, I got hired
up there to teach religion, andthen I got I was gonna assist the
head coach and coach, but thenhe got into a tussle with a kid
and they let him go. Andthen they basically said, you want to
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apply for the job, and Iwas like, well, listen, I
don't know if I'm ready, butlike, I already got a house up
here. I gotta all do whateverI gotta do. So I applied and
got the job, and kind oflike was a big stark difference between bis
Ramont High School and here Ercle HighSchool. They hadn't won a league game
in seven years. They were inthe High Desert League. So we were
oh and thirty five over seven years, and that's what I was taking on.
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So luckily we won two games thatyear in the league. We were
five and five overall, and weour first league game we won was three
to nothing, was great defense anda field goal, and we beat Silver
Valley High School. And that wasback in nineteen ninety two and so I
didn't know anything about what I wasdoing. And I think over there,
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I was at Peraclet eight years anduh I got to grow up as a
coach, you know, make mistakeswithout anybody being really critical, you know,
and a highly you know, theywere just we just kept getting a
little better. So it was alwaysa little better than the year before.
And we ended up winning three CIVEtitles in a row ninety seven, ninety
eight, ninety nine. And therewas a lot of you know, satisfaction
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in that because of where we hadcome from and uh, you know in
that in that time. So itwas a great place for me to raise
our kids, buy our first house, and actually grow up as a coach,
you know. And that's uh,that kind of and that's where that's
where I met Jim ko Now.And we played each other in nineteen ninety
five in the semifinals up in thehigh Desert at Annimal Valley College, and
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they beat us, uh, youknow pretty good that I think it was
a couple of touchdowns they beat us. But that was our first year in
the semifinals and it was a goodexperience for us, and and uh just
kept trying to get better. Soyour path, then back to Bishop of
Mott led you to JW. NorthHigh School, Riverside Poly High School,
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Citrus Hill High School, winning championshipsat every spot, and then the Bishop
of mod job opens up in twothousand and eight. Coach. Yeah,
it was it always kind of inthe back of your mind, like I'd
like to end up back at myhigh school. Was the timing just right?
How did that all kind of workout there in two thousand and eighty
four? Probably both A little bitin the back of my mind. Always
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had an affinity for the school.You know, I know a lot of
the guys that are coaching there.We've kind of you know, there's these
little coaching trees that take off andand you know, and I know a
lot of the guys, and uh, you know, so it was always
something back of my mind. ButI actually went to the public school because
I felt like I needed better retirement, I needed better benefits, I needed
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to make more money. I havemy wife and I we have a big
family, and so when I movedto Riverside, we bought a house out
there, and the former coach atBispuamat who hired me, Mark Perettish,
he was at JW. North HighSchool, and so he hired me and
put me, got me in theclassroom, and got me coaching with him
as an offensive coordinator with him,and then ultimately, I think within a
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year or two, he went toRCC Riverside Community College and then I took
over as head coach for him there, and uh, and that's kind of
what drew that. So in theback of my mind, you know,
I knew that the Catholic school systemwas something that I thought I was a
good fit for, but I justfelt like I needed to take care of
my family, you know a littlebetter. So and then at some point,
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you know, I just realized thatlike the quality of my day and
the calling that I felt like Ineeded to be a part of, you
know, it was probably better suitedout of Catholic High School. And Bispamat
opened up, and so I justkind of felt like it was something I
couldn't pass up and jumped back inlike one hundred percent because I really felt
kind of rejuvenated again and felt likeI was back home and felt like it
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was a place that I really couldmake an impact. They were coming off
a couple of years that they Ithink there were three and seven the year
before I got there, and so, you know, I think they were
looking for a change. And soanyways, I just told my wife looked
like usually we discussed these things,but I said, look at I really
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want to do this. So I'mnot sure how we'll do it, but
I'm jumping in. So and that'skind of and it's been a great experience
ever since, for sure. SteveHaggerty is our guest here on the episode
fifty two of the Masters in Coachingpodcast, and coach of bishop On High
School here in southern California through yourstops getting into coaching. Who are some
of the mentors in your life thathelped you kind of guide who you are
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as a teacher, as a coach, as a father, a husband and
along the way. How how arekind of things changed for you And from
being the the young coach who's absorbingto being the the elder statesman, I
guess the older coach who now you'vegot assistance under you, who are going
off in your own coaching tree.Right, Yeah, yeah, that bo,
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That's a there's a lot packed intothat question. Just my mind's racing
right now because that's you know,there was I think obviously, I think
Mark Perettez, who was probably theone of my mentors, you know,
I you know, came in nineteeneighty six at Bispelmont and coached with him,
and he was a part of alot of the success that went on
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at Bispeldmont, and so I've alwaysreally considered him, you know, a
mentor. And I just know thatwhen I was at Bisbelmont for those first
six years, there were a lotof good coaches. I felt like it
was, you know, a greatplace to, like you said, absorb
a lot of the things. Andyou know, we had great players,
but but we also, you know, had a bunch of average players.
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And I've always felt that from thatmiddle group, that average group is the
difference makers for us. It's notthe it's not the highly uh talented ones,
you know, the Dale mccutcheons andthe Eric the Enemies and the Corey
Miners and Rodney Sermons and Ralph Brownand all those guys. The guys that
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make us who we are are theaverage guys that we really focus on and
we try to take them from thataverage class and we try to make them
good. And I feel like inthe differences for us. Those are some
of the philosophies like I learned atBisbelmont that that middle group is the group
you need to focus on because that'llthat'll be the difference in the end,
you know. So I've always feltthat that's was a sound concept that I
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learned here and was around a lotof good people. Uh. Jim koonw
I, uh, you know,the coach at Orange Lutheran for many many
years. I heard him talk severaltimes. I've always been impressed by him,
his demeanor, his his the way. Uh you know, he just
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like out coached me at times whenwe were playing against them that you know,
it just made me want to learnmore and to watch their rise from
you know, small Division ten footballto Division one championship was all a part
of, you know, his doingand his leadership. And so he's always
been kind of a mentor. I'vewent to his practices, I've watched them
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practice to see how he's doing it. I've always just sort of had a
thirst for that. So I thinkthat is he's definitely someone on that mentor
list kind of a thing. Anduh, you know, I just I've
been around a lot of good people. I'm one of ten kids. So,
and I have six older brothers andthree older sisters, and a lot
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of those uh people in my familyhave been you know, I'm the youngest,
so the baby of the family.So I've had a lot of people
kind of looking after me and alot of resources to learn from. And
so family has always been important tome. And my kids have grown up,
you know, with me coaching.They've been on the sidelines holding chords
back in the day when you didn'thave cordless headphones and and uh ball boys
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running out on the field with ballsand uh, you know, my wife
has always uh you know, allowedme to do this that I love.
So it's you know, there's alot of influences. Yeah, and a
lot of people along the way thatI think are probably pretty similar to most
people's lives, you know, wherepeople you know helped mold you into who
you eventually become. For sure,no doubt it takes a village. I
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want to ask you a kind ofabout the current state of high school football.
Is a backstory. Born and raisedand something California. I went to
a public high school, graduated inninety six. It was my local high
school with six blocks away. Inhigh school, I had one friend that
transferred to a private high school toplay sports. That was it, one
kid from our local area. Everybodyelse went to the local high school.
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But the landscape of high school sportshas changed. Football basketball are kind of
at the top of it. Othersports it's trickling down as well with the
transferring, the kids don't go tolocal high school. The private versus public
debate that's out there, the superpowersof the Trinity League versus everybody else out
there. Yea, as a coach, you've seen it change over the thirty
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six years. Is there any wayto stop what's happening? Is that it's
good for high school sports? What'shappening in particular football and basketball with the
transferring and the kids going to highschools forty five minutes away. I mean
without going down along rabbit hole.Is there is there a way to get
back on track? Or is thissort of how it is now? Coach?
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Yeah, well, I mean I'man ap to say that it's just
the way it is, and Idon't see it changing anytime soon. I
think like it, you know,for me again, you know, we
could we could talk about this forhours, but uh, I just think
that a lot of times, youknow, they still call uh sports in
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high school, they call them extracurricularand uh, you know, this is
an extra curricular activity, which meansit's part of the curriculum, but it's
but it's you're still supposed to belearning and it's still supposed to be a
part of your education. And Ikind of feel like we're kind of we've
kind of moved away from that forsure, and I think the biggest and
the greatest danger of all and you'reseeing it at the NCAA level as well,
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now, where if things don't workout, you know, let's just
pick up and move. And Ijust feel like that's probably the greatest injustice
that we're kind of tying kids handsabout them learning how to work through the
things that they're going to deal with, you know, as adults, and
they you know, we all needto have, you know, a set
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of skills that we're able to digour, you know, dig in and
get after stuff in order to fixthings because the world isn't kind and it's
not going to pat me on theback. And you know, I just
feel like we're kind of selling thema bill of goods to kids that like,
hey, it's gonna be better somewhereelse, and then when you actually
get there you find that it's notthe case, then what do you do
next? And so that's my biggestissue probably with that, because I just
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you know, and again I'm nottrying to sound you know, holier than
thou. I'm just seeing like,like, if we want kids to figure
out how to deal with themselves asadults, like you know, I oftentimes
have conversation with parents, and Ijust said, look, your son's gonna
be much better if we work together, like like like you're gonna love him
one way and I'm gonna love hima different way, but in the end,
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he's going to benefit from both ofour love. And I'm just gonna
tell him, like, look ityou don't have your stuff, you're not
going to practice today, and youdon't need to fix it. It's better
for him to learn it because ifyou fix it, he's gonna do it
again and you're gonna have to keepfixing it and he's not going to learn
anything. So those are just smallexamples of like how and I try to
I try to tell him, likeyou want your son to to advocate for
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himself, So let's let him cometo me, don't call me on the
phone, tell him, encourage himto come and talk with me, and
let him an ideal with it,because that's the world he has to live
in. And the sooner you dothat, the better off he's gonna be,
and he's gonna have a better setof tools that he's gonna be able
to cope with this thing called life. And that that's what I think,
like our job is. So,you know, if you can win a
championship by doing things the right way, I think that's critical and I think
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that that naturally will take care ofitself. But I still feel like doing
it the right way is really importantand it's our jobs to be able to
do that. So when you askme, are we, I just don't
see it changing much and I don'tI don't, you know, especially when
well, I'll give you an example, so you know we're we. You
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know, we were used to bein the mix for you know, Division
one football, and that gap haswidened so much now. Uh. And
and it doesn't have to do withuniforms, It doesn't have to do with
coaching, It doesn't have to dowith you know, the schedule we play
or that we only travel but onceevery couple of years. What the difference
is that, you know, Ican't I can't have a kid come to
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our school when he has to paytuition here and it's free other places,
or he's gonna get picked up ina van, or his parents might end
up on the payroll. Uh,and all of those things, you know,
and again I'm not mentioning any names, but all of those things are
out there as strategies that are pullingpeople to certain programs and they're just stockpiling
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kids. And so bottom line islike, I don't think it's healthy.
I don't think uh, with allthe you know, the two there's two
programs that are you know, maybethree or four, it just depends on
which years there are. But buteverybody's stacked in the one place, and
it just doesn't seem like uh.And development is still a part of this,
at least the way we see it. When you come in as a
freshman, you know, that's theweight rooms about, and that's about the
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coaching, and it's about learning thesystem. So there the we still are
one of those programs we develop ourkids. We have a lot of kids
that stay here four years and soagain, I think that's some of the
issues that you're you're alluding to forsure. Yeah, well, stead coach,
you hit it right on the head. The first sign of adversity,
a kid wants to bolt, akid wants to leave, and that people
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are letting them do that. Andas a father of three girls, I
try to instill what you were justtalking about a lot of that, uh
and my girls. So it's it'sawesome to hear that. I love it
and we're on the same page,and I think a lot of people feel
that same way as well. Aswe wrap things up, Coach, you're
gonna be teaching now in Concordias Mastersand Coaching Athletics Administration program. You're gonna
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be doing it for the first timecoming up here here in February. I
know you're excited about that. Andwell, what class are you teaching?
And and why why teach at thecollege level. It's a little different for
you doing that. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a it's a coaching uh,
principles and leadership uh something along thoselines. And there are you know,
I I uh kind of been curious. I've I've always kind of been
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a teacher. I enjoy it.I'd love to uh share and help people
see different perspectives on you know,how things can be done. You know,
there's three textbooks in the class.I've read two of them already,
and I'm kind of already aligned philosophicallywith what the books are all about.
Read them a while ago, anduh they you know, they're there are
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things that I've sort of like,you know, kind of hang my hat
on as well. So, uh, you know, things like you know,
being a being a significant coach ratherthan successful, being like a instead
of a transactional coach, being atransformational coach. Like those are things that
like I'm anxious to share. Thoseare things that I believe in, I
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have a passion about, and sobeing able to share those with other coaches,
you know, if they're getting intothe business or they're starting, they're
looking for their masters. I kindof feel like this is one of the
core courses that they all have totake, and so I kind of feel
like it's right up my alley.And I know with Jim and I talked
and he basically said, coach,I've seen you do it for a lot
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of years. I think he'd begreat in this role. Sharing your experiences
with people in your passion, andso that's kind of what started it all.
So I'm gonna give it. I'mgonna give a run at it.
We got I got one class.Well, it's start in February, and
hopefully it goes well and people learnsome things and you know, they'll have
me back. So we'll take ita day at a time. Though,
kind of cool you're coaching tree coachis not going to just be on the
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field. Who knows, you cankind of pour into some other coaches at
different sports, different levels in theircareers and they'll take off from there and
you'll be a part of that teachingthis class. So thank you so much
for joining us on the podcast.Great to catch up with you. It's
great to hear your story from almostbecoming a priest to becoming a head coach
and one of the most recognized highschools here in southern California. We certainly
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appreciate, I know our list ofyours appreciate catching up with you. Looking
forward to your class start here inFebruary and hopefully a long run teaching at
Concordia. Thank you so much.All right, Tim, thank you,
it's good time. Appreciate it.Well, there he goes Steve Haggard,
he head football coach at Bishop AmattaHigh School here in Southern California. What
a journey he has had from almostbecoming a priest to then becoming one of
(27:21):
the most successful high school football coacheshere in southern California over the last thirty
five years, from Paraclete High Schoolto Riverside to since two thousand and eight,
to head football coach at his almamater, Bishop Amott Go Lancers.
As he has got that program continuingto be one of the powerhouses in southern
California, even in this current landscapeof high school football. We appreciate coach
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and make sure you check out hisclass. If you're thinking about enrolling in
the Masters in Coaching Athletics Administration programat Concordia University, Irvine, you could
be one of the first to takehis class this spring. His first class
starts in February as he starts hisnew endeavor coaching and now teaching at Concordia
University Irvine. If you're a coach, an administrator, and athletic director looking
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to further your career or looking toget into one of those careers. Concordia
University Irvine's Masters in Coaching Athletics Administrationprogram is a fit for you. Find
out more at CUI dot eedu slashCoaching that CUI dot eed u slash Coaching
first time students can get a thousanddollars scholarship. Find out all about it.
Find out if it's the right fitfor you at CUI dot edu slash
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Coaching. Thanks to Coach Haggerty,thanks to you for listening and watching episode
fifty two, and the Masters inCoaching podcast is in the books until next
time. So long, everybody,
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