Masters in Coaching Podcast- Episode LIV

Tim Cates talks with Rainer Wulf about his 30 years in education and coaching here in Southern California. He was a CIF SS Coach of the Year at Trabuco Hills HS. As athletic director he was instrumental in hiring some of the great football coaches in the area. For the last 15 years Rainer has been the Assistant Commissioner of the CIF SS. Since 2009 he has been teaching at Concordia University Irvine and their Masters in Coaching and Athletics Administration Program.

Episode Transcript

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From local basketball stand out to playingprofessionally overseas. Our next guest returned home
to be a CIEF Coach of theYear athletic director at one of the most
successful schools in Southern California to thelast fifteen years as Assistant Commissioner of Athletics
at the CIF Southern Section. Heis ryner Wolf and he joins us now

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on episode fifty four of the Mastersin Coaching podcast Let's Go Well, welcome
into episode fifty four. That's right, Episode fifty four of the Masters in
Coaching podcasts, and very excited totalk to this week's guest. A former
basketball standout played professionally overseas in Australia, long time teacher, a coach twice

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named the CIF Southern Section Coach ofthe Year at Tribuco Hills High School.
He's in the Southern California Interscholastic CoachesHall of Fame. He spent a decade
as the athletic director at tribucle HillsHigh School. In two thousand and eight,
he took over as the Assistant Commissionerof Athletics and the CIF Southern Section.
And it's two thousand and nine he'sbeen a part of the Matters and
Coaching Athletics administration program, teaching classesin the program at Concordia University, Irvine.

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He is ryner Wolf and he joinsus now here on the Matters and
Coaching podcast. How you doing,sir, good Tim? Thanks for having
me. This is awesome, Thankyou for joining us. First off,
here we are. It's the endof the winter sports season. You got
basketball playing and state championships and thesports are winding down spring sports or a
couple of weeks in. How arethings right now at the CIF Southern Section.

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Everything's going well. We wrapped upbasketball finals last weekend, so we
had twenty finals and three different venuesplus the Hunt in the Center where we
had the Open division and Division oneboys and girls championship games. So it
was a very successful final season.Had great turnouts, great games, the
types of championship games you want tohave, and it was great. For

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the last two years we've been athome sites because of COVID restrictions, so
this was the first time that wewere able to get back to hosting events,
which is what we enjoyed, doingwhat we feel we do best,
and to get back to the HondaCenter. Was it was awesome. We
probably had oh nine ten thousand forthe for the Open Division championship games,
so that was that was a greatfinish to the basketball season. Now we

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roll into the spring. I dotrack and field and boys tennis, so
it's it kind of overlaps. They'realready going and we're still kind of finishing
up the state stuff in basketball.But everything's going well. We got a
lot to get into as far ashow you got into education and coaching and
teaching and why you continue to climbthat ladder to the position that you're at
now. You're gonna be retiring ina couple of months. You've been in

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education and teaching and high school sportsfor for many decades now, uh and
going to retire coming in July.When you think back in your final few
months here as far as your runfrom from when you stopped playing to getting
into coaching and teaching and to whereyou're at now at the cif what comes
to mind, what do you thinkabout over what do we you reflect on?

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Well, I think the first thingare the are the students, student
athletes and students I had. Iwas a history teacher for many years and
I taught physical education the last fewyears. But the students I had,
the players and athletes I was luckyenough to coach over the years from when
I was a rookie back in nineteeneighty five eighty six at University High School

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in Irvine and I was coaching PatFarrell. You might know his brother Will
Will. I was the assistant varsitycoach and will it was on our team,
and I coached the freshman team alsoand Pat was on the team.
So I started off coaching the Farrellboys and then rolled over to Tribuco Hills
when I had given the opportunity formy first varsity coaching job, and I
was fortunately there for many many years. But I learned a lot over the

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years. You know. I cameout of playing at UCI and playing overseas
thinking I knew everything, and Iquickly realized I didn't. I did a
master's degree program as well, butConcordia at that time was known as christ
College of Irvine. It wasn't evenConcordia at the time. Uh, there
was a different university had a master'sin physical education. So I kind of

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when I did that program, Idid it with my basketball program in mind,
and then when the MCA program camearound, it was like, this
is exactly what I tried to doway back when when I got my master's
degree, and they've taken it tosuch a height with the MCA program,
and I've been fortunate to teach thebasketball class. But I always had that

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in mind because a lot of thethings that coaches tend to do is they
keep everything in their head as they'recoaching. They don't they don't commit to
paper their philosophies or their drills ortheir you know, their mentors or lessons
that they learned. They try topack it in their head. And you
know, I really think it's importantfor coaches to commit to paper those types

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of things and then to reevaluate thatall the time, because that's that's how
you grow in whatever profession you're in, whether it's coaching or anything else.
Is it is realizing where you arewhat you do, but understanding that there
are other ways and better ways todo the things that you liked to do.
And so through the MCA program,I've been able to stay involved with
teaching even though I'm here at theSouthern Section office, because when I left

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the high school I left, Ilost the students too, but then I
was quickly able to come back intoit, which has always been my passion.
I've came into this to be ateacher, and it's just been fortunate
that my pathway into being an assistantcommissioner was I just kind of opened up
for me. I've always been onewho who wanted to get involved in leadership

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of whatever I was involved in,whether it was the Coaches Association SKIP Come,
where I was on the board andI was a president for a few
years. And then I got involvedin the Orange County Athletic Directors Association when
I became an ad and I wason their board, was their president,
and then it just kind of evolvedinto this. And I've been very very
lucky, very very fortunate with thepeople I've worked with. As I mentioned

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the students, but it's also thepeople I've met, I've met, the
mentors, I've had, the colleaguesI've had been able to work for and
work with, and here at theseven Section Office, it's a it's a
five hundred and sixty school sections,so there's a lot of those people.
So I just feel very fortunate tohave my passion be my career. We're
gonna get into your mentors and maybesome of the people that helped kind of

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mold who you were as a coachand as a teacher and administrator. But
I want to go back to thatdecision when you got done playing and you
thought, Okay, what am Igoing to do now with my life?
And you mentioned you wanted to getinto teaching and coaching. Why what was
it that you wanted to to allof a sudden get into that or you
had a plan to get into that. Well? Why, Well, you
when you you play a sport,you always want to play as long as

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you can, and so that wasalways my goal was to play as long
as I can. So when Ifinished up my career at UCI, played
for Bill Mulligan there. Bill wasa new coach at the time, had
come to UCI and brought a bunchof us from junior college and some some
high school players as well. Wewere very successful, and then I in
hanging around the coach and talking withpeople, I just realized this this is

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a pathway of you know, stayinginvolved in something that I've I've always even
when I was a little kid,I always read the sports pages, and
I would go to the high schoolbasketball tournaments and the local high school football
games. I just loved high schoolsports, and I knew all the players
before I was in high school whowere the best players. And I ran
into these people over the years,and I'd say, you know, I

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remember coming to the Kavena tournament overChristmas time and Bill Walton was playing,
and and and these other people thatI've I've come in contact with, and
but I was just a little kid, and so it was just it kind
of it's always what I liked.I was. I was the Evince Scully
kid who would go to bed withmy little transistor radio with the earpiece in.

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And during the football season it wasDick Enberg was doing the Rams,
and then we had Chickhern doing theLakers. And so my parents from Germany,
so they really didn't have a backgroundand high school athletics or sports,
but they were always so supportive andthey allowed me to to expose myself to
every sport I wanted to play.And it was funny because I was five

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foot my freshman year in high school, I was five foot six, and
the rest of my family was allreally tall, and they all say you're
the only one that plays basketball,and you're the short runt of the group.
And then by the time I wasa senior, I was six to
five, and then I grew tosix seven, So I had to last
laugh in that one. Mentor Wise, you mentioned a lot of people over

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the years, but coaching teaching inparticular, some of the people that you've
kind of maybe borrowed some ideas coachingphilosophies. Maybe the people that are poured
into you when you were young,that you took their ideas and philosophies and
made it kind of your own andmolded it as you became a young coach
way back when. Absolutely you know, the first person with a gentleman named

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Russ bank Or who most people wouldn'tknow who he was, but he was
a gentleman in Monterey Park where Igrew up, who started a basketball kind
of the start of what became clubbasketball twenty years later. And he would
just take local kids and he wouldjust he would take us to games.
He would, you know, justwork with us. Were put we were

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on a team, Monterey Park Monarchswhat we were called, and we travel
all over the place, played gamesand he would he just became such a
person that was so passionate about abouttouching young people through sports and and and
really developing a passion for something andgoing for it. And he was always
encouraging. So he was the firstone because he really got me on board

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and my friends would play in sportsand basketball in particularly in high school.
John Montgomery was my coach at BishopBelmont and it was a great situation there.
I mentioned I grew a lot,so I was. I was a
point guard as a as a freshmanin high school, and then by the
time I was a senior, Icould still handle the ball, so I

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was kind of a tall player whocould play outside. And then I went
to junior college and Neil Edwards,I would definitely say, was a per
who taught me a whole different levelof basketball. And Neil Edwards was a
very good player at USC in thesixties, but he was very very tactically
oriented, not and I always played. I liked to play an uptemple,

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fast paced game, and he hewas more. He broke it down into
detail, and by my sophomore yearthere, I could get any shot I
wanted to because he taught me howto read defenders and things like that,
and then playing for Bill Mulligan atUCI, Bill was we led the nation
in scoring my junior year in Divisionone. I mean we we knocked off
UNLV when we were ranked in thetop twenty for in both years. But

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Bill was, we were running gun. I mean, we ran on a
maid shot, we ran on amidshot, and it was total freedom.
And that's what the way I liketo play. And so when I became
a coach myself, that's kind ofwhat I liked to do and what I
liked to coach. And I thinkthe players liked that style. They liked
to play. It allows you asa coach to play more players because you're

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you're exerting more energy. And soit was great because that that's that became
my style as a We were theMustangs at Tribucal Hills, and I added,
like you and I you put onthe running Rebels. We became the
running Mustangs, and people knew whenthey were playing us, we were coming
at you on a maid shot,we were coming at you on a midshot.
We're gonna push the push the effort, We're gonna be moving, We're
gonna play a lot of players,and uh, it was fun. It

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was. It was, And that'swhy in my class I always encourage my
students. I said, you know, you have to coach your your personality
to what you like, what youenjoy, and and be willing to change
and adjust. But but also youknow, be true to yourself, because
if you're trying to be if you'retrying to coach like coach X y Z,
you're you're never people are going tosee right through you. You've got

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to be yourself. And so thatthat's those guys all together. And then
I went to so many clinics overthe years. We used to go as
a staff to to Las Vegas.There was always a clinic over Mother's Day
weekend before I was married that workedout okay, And so we would go
there as as kind of a retreatwith my coaching staff, and we would

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always pick up some good things fromsome of the great coaches, collegiate coaches,
professional coaches, mostly collegiate, butsome high school coaches as well.
And a good coach is a goodstealer, And we steal things from from
other people and we do the bestwe can to incorporate those into our system
and and we share as well.I mean mentorship is huge. To be

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a mentor and to seek mentors isa big part of being a successful coach.
I'm so glad you brought that up, because I'm almost everybody we talked
to on this podcast, coaches,administrators, athletic directors. It's always the
same thing that stands out with thesuccessful people is they're not afraid to keep

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learning, and not just with amaster's degree, but also their sport basketball,
football, They're not afraid to goand learn from somebody the next level,
or somebody above them, or somebodyat another high school or another college.
And that's what's interesting. I don'tthink people really grasp is the successful
coaches don't just become successful and stop. They continue to learn. They continue

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to want to figure out things andgrab ideas from people. Now, it
was always impressed upon me that ifthe minute you stop learning, you're falling
behind, because the good coaches arecontinuing to learn. So even if you're
even with him at one point whenyou figure it, you know it,
all, they're continuing to go,So you're going to be behind. I
know, I think your first podcastwas Jason Negros, Is that correct?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Iworked with Jason at Tribuca. I actually
we hired him as our football coachthere. So yeah, So Jason and
I have a very very long relationshipand I actually ran into him at the
Honda Center the other night and wewere talking about an evaluation program that we
did that he still does today.And it was something that I came up
with because as a teacher, Icouldn't value I couldn't do official evaluations of

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other teachers contract wise, So Icame up with a system of doing an
evaluation without it really saying it wasan evaluation. And Jason loved it,
and we and so we talked aboutand he said, I still do it
today. He goes, that's thebest evaluation we ever had. The evaluation
system. And Chad Johnson at atMission View Hill, Chad was hired by
us first first teaching job at Tribuco, and uh, you know, we've

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had some some He had a greatcoaching staff, Dan O'Shea who was at
Corona del Mar, same coaching staffKevin Heady who was now the head coach
at Corona del Mar. So youknow they're those guys were all part of
our staff at Tribuco. And whenI became an a D. I took
that opportunity to do what I didwithin my basketball program, but but now

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to begin to coach coaches and andthen this now one step further now at
working with athletic directors and principles andso forth. So it's it's kind of
a it's the same thing. It'sjust it's just different people and and and
you know, the language might bea little bit different, or the subject
matter might be a little bit different, but that mentorship is so important.

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Roder Wolf is our guest here onepisode fifty four the Masters and Coaching podcast.
Thank you for listening. All right, you make the jump from coach
and teacher to athletic director. Whythe decision to take that next step,
Well, it was there were acouple of things. Of all, I
had been asking a number of timesby administrators if to get my administrative credential

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and move into administration, and Inever really that wasn't really appealing to me
for whatever reason, to be anassistant principal or to eventually be a principal.
But I thought athletic director would bea good step for me, not
knowing really what it entailed, becauseI remember that when I first took the
job. I remember the old adies. I met him there and he said,

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you know, here's the keys tothe filing cabinet, and there's the
phone, and give me a callif you have any questions. And it's
like, all right, here wego, you know, put your seatbelt
on and let's figure this thing out. And uh but it was fine and
and so uh my. The otherpart was my I had been coaching there
for seventeen years. I was coachingand I was the athletic director, which

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was hilarious because all my buddies inbasketball said, oh, you're the A
D and the boys basketball coach.You're gonna get all the best best times,
practice times you get, You're you'rein charge of you all the money,
you can get, all the uniforms. They had no idea that it
was just the opposite. As theathletic director. You put yourself at the
end of the line. So Ievery everybody else went first. I went

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last. But it was it wasfunny that that that part of it,
and so my at that time Ihad been coaching for a while and then
I was doing the athletic director andI was still teaching pe classes because it
wasn't a full time a D job, and so I just started. I
got married, I had children,and my daughter was like seven or eight
and was recruited into being into aclub club soccer. You know all about

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that through your lacrosse stuff, soclub soccer, and it was just it
was I told my wife, Linda, who has been just that's the other
part you have to have as asupportive wife, partner, who's who's who
backshal all the way. And I'mfortunate to have one of the best.
And so when when we had childrenand Taylor started, my daughter started playing
soccer, it was like she mywife worked, I was working. We

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wanted to our kids were our focus, and so I stopped. I decided
I'm gonna stop coaching, but Iwanted to keep keep the coaching psyche in
my head. And that's where Imentioned going into being an athletic director,
but really not just I didn't wantto be an a D who was gonna
make schedules, assigned buses, havemeetings and then go home. I wanted

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to have an impact, to dosomething. So the first thing we did
is we developed an action plan forour athletic department. Because we're in the
same school district as Mission Vieo HighSchool and Mission Vieo with Bob Johnson,
and they're you know, they're attractinggood athletes, better athletes than we had.
We were losing athletes. And soI know a lot of my coaches
were frustrated at Tribute Go and there. What are you gonna do and what

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can we do about this? AndI said, well, we have no
control over who the district is goingto allow to switch schools. That's that's
a non starter. I said,well, we do have control over is
what we do and how we presentourselves. So one of our goals of
our action plan was were we weregoing to legally recruit the local kids by
having summer camps, more summer campsthan any other three high schools in the
district every summer long, so thatthose kids who come to your camp,

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they develop a relationship with you andthey say, you know, I want
to go. I want to playfor coach Mootheart and volleyball. I want
to go play for coach and Negroand football. I had so much fun
in their camp. I learned somuch as opposed to them, you know,
not having no contact. And thenthey just go to where the reputation
goes. And that worked. Youknow, we had seventeen eighteen different summer

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camps year after year, and sothis was a part of a whole process
that we as coaches, we met, you know, we broke this thing
down. We would go on retreatsto Big Bear for a weekend and we
each took this was all our wholecoach staff, and so we really you
know, busted everything down and thenbuilt it all back up again. And
that's where when Jason came into thepicture and chat and those guys, and

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you know, it was just itwas just kind of a confluence of all
these these good positive things going onand that and that's that satisfied me as
far as the coaching piece, becauseI was now being able to coach coaches.
And it's not always easy because sometimesyou have coaches who are brand new,
you know, this is their firstcoaching experience, the first teaching experience,

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and you have some who have beencoaching for fifteen twenty years and they
know it all, and yet you'rehaving to try and guide them as well.
And so you learn a lot,You get a lot of advice,
You ask ask people for advice.You get involved in the coaching associations or
the athletic directors associations because those becomeyour support staff when when situations come up.
And I think the key piece forany any school is a supportive administration.

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You have to have a principal,assistant, principles and the thattic director
that are all in alignment. Andyou know, I think it's something that
has to be done. And ifyou look at the successful schools, that's
what they have. They're all inalignment on what their goal is for their
athletic program, no doubt about it. You make the jump to the CIF
office, been there fifteen years.As you mentioned earlier, this is a

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wopper for question. But have youwhat have you seen over the last fifteen
years? I mean, the dynamicof high school sports has certainly changed over
the last thirty years, twenty years. In the last fifteen years, social
media, things outside club sports haveskyrocketed. Have you seen high school sports
though, especially here in southern Californiachanged, maybe for the good and for

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the bad. Well, I thinkdeep down inside they're the same as they
always were, except I think thepieces are different in that Unfortunately, I
believe that the club I don't wantto call it the mentality, but the
club idea has led its way overinto the into the high school sports scene
in that for example, in basketball, in a club situation, it would

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be no big deal that up ona Friday night, my son was playing
for a club team and I wasgotting mad at the coach. He quit
on Friday night after that game,and I had him on another team Saturday,
playing in the same tournament, playingagainst each other, and no one
would bat an eye. And sowe what we see, and that translated
into high school is that we havethis situation where you have students going to

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three four high schools, and it'sjust that that part of it bothers me
because I you know, I thinkas coaches, we preach loyalty, right.
We want that freshman kid coming in, stick with the program, work
hard, you know, and bythe time you're a junior or senior is

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going to be your turn. Andthen all of a sudden, now the
transfer comes in and the kid who'scommitted to the loyalty that the coach preaches,
now that loyalty isn't held up.And now the other player comes in
and takes the place of the kidwho's been in the program. So the
displacement part bothers me a lot becauseI know that there are kids out there

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that playing high school sports is goingto be the end of the road.
Ninety five percent of it, that'sthat's the end of it, and it
just getting their chance. And theybought the line of the coaches. They
bought the line that you know,I'm gonna be committed, I'm gonna I'm
gonna work in the off season,I'm gonna do the weight training, I'm
gonna do whatever it takes. Andthen when it's when it is their turn,
it isn't their turn because the coachhas other players now coming in to

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take take their place. So Ithink that has changed the dynamics a lot.
I think sometimes the behavior, thefan behavior comes over from that club
situation as well. I think schoolshave to get have to get ahold of
that and get a handle on itand really as as part of their culture.
What is being a student at ourschool and being a parent at our

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school and being a fan at ourschool? What does that mean? What
does that look like? How dowe define it and how do we make
sure that people are upholding those standardsbecause we see it, and you mentioned
social media. I mean, theminute something happens, it's all over the
place. So it's you know,these things may have happened in the past,
and it may have been held intoa small community or those people who

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went to the game. Now it'sit's around the world. You know,
if it's crazy enough, it'll it'llget enough hits, and so those types
of things, Unfortunately, I thinkthat it fuels that that behavior sometimes the
storming of the courts and the thingslike that, that just they have no
place in education based athletics. They'rethey're commonplace maybe in a club environment or

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some other environments, but it shouldn'tbe in high school sports. And so
I really think that schools need todo a better job and continue to focus
on on those types of things withinthe culture of their of their campus.
No doubt about it. I don'tknow how it gets solved. I don't
know how fast it can gets solved, but certainly it is something that needs
to be addressed. Process. Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna involve the athletic

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directors and coaches setting that tone acrossthe board, not just a few of
them across the southern California, butall the coaches. But your involvement with
Concordias Masters and Coaching Athletics Administration program, you go back to the beginning.
I mean you go back to You'vebeen teaching in classes since two thousand and
nine and the program it's just absolutelytaken off and is one of the tops

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in the country. Talk about gettinginvolved first off, and what you continue
to do with him. Yeah,I mean I mentioned that, I,
you know, the one piece thatwas missing when I came here was the
students. I didn't have any studentsanymore. And then when Tom White and
the folks at Concordia started the program, I knew that was something I wanted
to get involved with. And Ihad known Tom for years being in South

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County as as he was when hewas over at Capel Valley, and so
the opportunity came to get involved init. And I was teaching of facilities
and event management, which is basicallywhat I was doing in my job,
and that was fun. And thenI remember Tom. The new term was
starting like in a month, andTom said, Hey, we have this
idea. We want to start somesports specific classes. Do you want to

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do the basketball class. I said, sure, that'd be I would love
it because okay, we're going tostart in a month, and so you
got to get all the curriculum togetherand I'm like, oh real, okay.
So but it was awesome because Iwrote it from the perspective of what
I want to learn, what wouldbe the best takeaways for the students who

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are in my class. And I'vehad students from Europe, I've had students
in Asia at students from all overthe country in the course, and you
know, they're all It's so niceas a teacher to have motivated students that
they want to be there, theywant to learn, they want they want
to glean not just from myself,because I think a lot of the learning
that I got and my master's degreeprogram wasn't necessarily professor to student. It

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was student to student. And soyou have all these students together, and
originally we were doing a lot moreface to face. Now it's it's a
lot of it is online, whichI think is awesome because it opens the
door to that a broader array ofstudents, but it also brings people together
from different levels of coaching. Imean, in my current class, I'm

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teaching a class from Now we're inthe second week of the spring term,
and I've got head coaches in thencable A, Division two level assistant coaches,
Division one middle school coaches, lowerlevel high school coaches, female male
coaches. I mean, it's it'sthis whole variety. So it's it's it's
a challenge because you can't say,okay, because we're going to talk about

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pressing and the Division one guy's going, oh, I don't know about right,
but but the middle school guy's going, oh, yeah, I can't
wait. So so so it's it'snot that easy to talk about a specific
XS and l is because of thedifferent levels. But philosophically, there's so
much that we were able to coverduring the eleven week term that I think

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helps helps everyone. And the goalis, no matter what level they're currently
at or where they want to go, that all of their assignments are tailored
towards them being at the level theywant to be. So they're actually putting
together what we call a basketball coachingmanual that in practicality, if they applied
for a job and someone wanted toknow who is this person who's applying for

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the job, they could give themthis work and it would show them exactly
you know, calendars, it wouldhave how they teach skills, how they
do conditioning, you know, offensivephilosophy, defensive philosophy, coaching philosophy,
everything is all right there for them. And so that made it easy in
putting that together because that's that's whatI felt I got out of my master's

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degree program. So that's kind ofhow we evolved. That is fantastic.
And you got a few more monthson the job with the CIF Southern Section.
What's the plan after that? I'mnot done working. You know this
this the numbers just line up wellfor me, is between my years of
teaching and stirs and person and whenI'm in now in my retirement systems.

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But I still think I've I havesomething to offer. I'm gonna stay with
Concordia. I might expand what I'mdoing with them as well, maybe some
other classes or get involved somebody withwith Jim Knaw and the program in that
regard. But I also have someideas about doing consulting. You know,
some of the things that we've talkedabout today where I think I would love
to be able to go to schooldistricts or schools and you know, do

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an evaluation of the athletic programs andsay, you know, here's here's some
strengths, here's some weaknesses, here'ssome suggestions. Being being a neutral person,
you know, someone who's I'm justcoming in from the outside. I
have no agenda. This is thisis you know, this is what I
see. And you know, sothere's an idea there I'm I'm looking into

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and but something like I don't necessarilywant to punch a clock coming in at
a certain times and leaving at acertain time, but more on my own
schedule, and you do some travelingand things like that. Well, we
appreciate the time, we appreciate theconversation. Just a great career and education
and teaching and coaching successful at everylevel. And I know it's going to

(29:11):
be a big void at the CIof Southern Section with yourself and Rob why
God both leaving and moving on todifferent chapters of your life. But again,
thank you so much for everything you'vedone for high school athletics and teaching,
and thanks for joining us on thepodcast. Thank you, Tim,
I really enjoyed it, and thankyou for having me. Well there he
goes RYNERO Wolfe, the assistant Athleticdirector of the CIF Southern Section. He

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is retiring this summer. Best wishesto him. What a great career teaching,
coaching, athletic director at Tribuco Hills, where he hired young coaches who
now turned into some of the mostsuccessful high school football coaches in southern California.
He's been with the CIF Southern Sectionfor the last fifteen years, working
with Rob why Good running high schoolsports here in southern California. It's done

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a great job helping oversee everything andrun thing even through COVID. We appreciate
his time and certainly what a greatcareer he has had. Again, if
you want to find out more aboutthe Masters in Coaching and Athletics Administration program
at Concordia University, Irvine, youcan take Ryner's courses. He teaches their
a couple of classes. As youheard CUI dot edu slash coaching again,

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that's CUI dot edu slash Coaching.Find out more about the one thousand dollars
scholarship for first time students. Lookinto it see if it's a fit for
you in your schedule, which Iknow it will be. You could do
courses online or in person CUI dotedu, slash coaching alright, thanks to
A Ryner. Thanks to you forlistening. Until next time, episode fifty

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four is in the books. Solong, everybody,