Masters in Coaching Podcast- Episode LXVIII

Tim Cates talks with Dr. Jennifer Rizzo about her new role at Orange Lutheran High School here in Southern California. She's a former volleyball player, coach and longtime athletic trainer that has taken on the job of starting a Health and Human Performance Program at Orange Lutheran. Dr. Rizzo talks about how more and more high schools have athletic training programs for student to learn and possibly pursue a future in that field. Dr. Rizzo talks about her time in China during the pandemic. She is a also a graduate of the MCAA program from Concordia University Irvine and has returned as an adjunct professor.

Episode Transcript

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From volleyball player to athletic trainer tonow director of Health and Human Performance at
Orange Lutheran High School here in southernCalifornia. She is doctor Jennifer Rizzo,
and she joins us now on episodesixty eight of the Masters in Coaching Podcasts.
Let's go Well, welcome into episodesixty eight of the Masters in Coaching

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podcast here on iHeartRadio YouTube wherever youare listening here or watching. We appreciated
so excited to talk to this week'sguest, selfishly because I've got two daughters
who are heavily involved in athletic training. Certified athletic trainer herself, she's certified
in seven different categories. Director ofHealth and Human Performance Programs and Assistant Athletic
Director at Orange Lutheran High School herein Southern California. Also overseas lacrosse programs

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in those duties at adjunct professor anda Master's in Coaching Athletics Administration program at
Concordia University. Spend several years overseasin China with Concordi International School, Shanghai.
Athletic trainer at Concordia Universe, SayIrvine, former volleyball player herself born
and raised here in southern California.She is doctor Jennifer Rizzo and she joins

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US now. Doctor Rizzo, howare you? I have great Thank you
for the introduction. That was awesome. Absolutely, a long list of achievements
that you have had in your careeras an athlete and then in athletic training
coaching as well. Talk about whereyou're at right now and how you ended
up at Orange Lutheran. Well,it's been an interesting path to get to

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where I am right now. Butyeah, I started as a volleyball player
and that was my money making sport, we'll call it. That got me
through college and ended up at ConcordiaIrvine to finish up my final year,
had some injuries and decided to changemy major after being introduced to my athletic

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trainer. I was at Georgia Stateprior, and I had no clue athletic
training was, you know, inhigh school, I think we had one,
but they always worked with football ifwe have anything. And so my
freshman year of college, I gotinjured and my athletic trainer was so cool,
and he traveled with us and didsome amazing things, and so that

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was the first time, I waslike, you know, I thought I
wanted to do physical therapy, butI get to go and sit in the
in the dugout, I get totravel with the teams, Like who wouldn't
want to do this? And sothat's kind of what started my trajectory into
athletic training at that point. Soyou get to Concordia University her of Mind,

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and then you graduate and you're coachingstill, but you get involved in
your next degree and pursuing that athletictraining program. Correct at the time,
athletic training was still an undergrad sothat is very different to what it is
now. Now it's a master's levelto get in, but at the time
it was just an internship route andso I had to complete X amount of

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hours, take the classes that theyasked us to take, and then take
the certification exam from that point.And so I was able to do that
as I was graduating, so AprilI took it in April, yeah,
and then got started vide from there. I did my master's in business at
Concordi Irvine, which was a crazyout but it worked. The Masters of

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Coaching ironically started up the year afterI finished my master's or I totally would
have done that, but that waskind of the options at the time.
And so yeah, that led meinto a career at Concordi Irvine, where
I was an assistant athletic trainer andthen kind of worked my way up the
ranks became a professor there and soI started teaching. Was a program director

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there for the Athletic Training Education program. So that was a huge blessing.
I got to teach others about mypassion and why I loved being an athletic
trainer. I loved being an athletictrainer. I got to work with students
that, you know, they didn'treally know what avenue in the medical career
they wanted to go into, andI got to sit down and say,

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hey, listen, this is thecoolest profession ever got to get into it,
and so get to lead them throughand help them take their board exams
and just kind of show my passionsto my student athletes, but also to
the students in the program. Beforewe get to what took you overseas over
to Shanghai, you want to talka little bit about athletic training and at

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the high school level and getting kidsintroduced to it and get in in the
experience. Not a lot of schoolshave it. It's a lot of private
schools, a lot of charter schoolshave it. You're seeing it more and
more now, but as you mentioned, it wasn't as prevalent years ago,
even at the collegiate level and master'sprograms, But now at the high school

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level, we're seeing more and moreathletic programs and kids learning how to tape
ankles and put ice packs on andgo out and help a trainer of that
program kind of dissect what's happening withthat student athlete at the time. How
much is it grown Over the lastfifteen twenty years, athletic training has grown
a lot. We started licensure,which has been huge across the country.

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California unfortunately, is the last stateto obtain licensure, so we're fingers crossed.
We've been trying really hard as anorganization to make that happen, but
there's just roadblocks all across the way, and eventually we will get there.
But across the country you see anincrease in athletic training because of licensure,

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and so we're protected now underneath thatlicense that we have for athletic or for
California, athletic training is still growingeven though it's not licensed yet. You're
seeing a majority of your schools findingthe value in athletic training not just from
like student safety, but also fromeven growing into like their faculty and staff

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and being able to help treat there. And so there's a lot of ways
that athletic trainers can work their wayinto these high schools. A lot do
the physical therapy slash school route wherethey work in a physical therapy clinic in
the morning and then high school orhigh schools in the afternoon. And to
be honest, that is an awesomeway to get there without the schools having

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to use those finances to come upwith that salary, but using those physical
therapy clinics to help support or thosemedical offices. I was actually just on
the NATA page today and looking atall the hospitals that hire athletic trainers and
then outsource them out to the highschools, and so there's so many opportunities.
But yeah, you're starting to reallysee it grow and a lot of

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schools are starting to realize that studentsare interested in this, and so let's
put an end too. The academicprograms, and that is really what I'm
doing in Orange Lutheran is starting ahealth professions academy where this academy will be
geared for students that are interested inanything really in Allied health, but also
athletic training, physical therapy, andsports performance. And so the students get

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to come in and take classes thatare specific to athletic training, but then
they also get to have internships wherethey get to go and work with our
athletic trainers. We have three clinicalathletic trainers, and then they get to
be on the field and they getto kind of just see the ins and
outs of what athletic training is.They get to learn the tape, and
that model will also translate over tosports performance where they get to work with

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our sports performance coaches. We havethree of those as well, and so
they get to learn how to runand create programs for student athletes to develop
them into that athlete. And thenthe third avenue would be the Allied Health
which is basically everything with medical doctorand so kids get to literally learn about
all the different medical professions and that'sgoing to be an amazing avenue to just

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interduce Allied health professions to kids inhigh school. They're going to change their
major. It's going to happen.They're going to get to college and they're
going to find something else that theylove. But I went into college knowing
I wanted to be a physical therapist, or thinking I wanted to be a
physical therapist, and I stayed prettyclose to that, right. And I
think if we can introduce the stuffto these kids in high school, they

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don't have to stay specifically with whatthey start. But they don't know that
they are interested in medicine or they'reinterested in engineering. They're interested in them,
right, And so if we cancreate these academies, I think this
is really going to grow our highschool students, to allow them to just
walk into college with kind of anidea instead of spending those first two years

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exploring and trying to figure it out. Yeah. I can't speak enough about
it. I mean, as Itold you before we started the podcast,
I got two daughters of the threethat I have that either have gone through
the athletic training program at their highschool here in southern California, Village Christian
or currently my youngest one is asophomore in it, and they're learning every
day and it's all after school,and it's you know, learning how to

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tape, learning how to put iceon, learning how to dissect an injury,
and they hands on experience. Andthen they also do classroom work and
they do work inside the training roomwith the hand up with with with one
on one with the athletic trainer,not just during games and whatnot. But
it's the hands on opportunity for thesekids to say, Wow, this is
more than just learned about bones andtendons and everything. This is something I

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can really see firsthand. And there'sa great example. Back in a few
weeks ago in Thanksgiving here in southernCalifornia, there was a high school student
who saved her cousin who had drownedin a pool and knew CPR. The
family didn't know CPR, but becauseshe was in an athletic training program here
in the San Fernando Valley in herhigh school, she knew CPR, she

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knew what to do, and shesaved her cousin's life. I mean,
it's amazing to see what it opensup for these kids and the opportunities that
they're out there. As you mentioned, yeah, and that kid is going
to have that experience to take withher for the rest of her life and
be able to say I did this, and I want to continue to do
this for thousands of other people inmy future. And that is that is

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a great story. I love it. I love it. Why why the
move in athletic training? And again, this is I'm so excited to talk
to you about this because I gota daughter who's in college going through this
and it literally just changed when shewas looking at college's the last two years,
there was programs, a three plustwo program, a five year program
where you can get in and getyour degree and your master's in athletic training

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and get out. It used tobe a bachelor's degree. Now it's a
master's degree. Well why did thatchange? Is that a good thing for
athletic training? It is a goodthing for us. First off, it's
you get paid up to the levelof your education, and so the higher
your degree, the more people aregoing to get paid for what they do.
And that's a big part of athletictraining is you know, nothing's more

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frustrating than working for a coach that'smaking over a million dollars and you're barely
scraped scraping the bottom of the barrelto get by, right, And so
this is this up's the game andthe financial piece, but it also raises
the bar and allows us to getthat licensure. It allows us to be
seen as a medical profession. Andthat is where athletic training struggled with that

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internship route is I have to learnall the basics. I have to understand
skin conditions. I have to understandhow to save a life. I have
to understand how to do a fullemail. I have to understand how to
rehab those injuries. And so Ilearned all that as an undergrad. But
where's the credibility from the outside lookingin? Right? And so as you
increase to that master's and you startto specialize, people say, oh,

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there's validity in that move. Andso really we're upping our game academically,
yes, because when you go froman undergrad to a master's there's more opportunity
to be specific. But it alsoincreases the credibility of those that look at
us from the outside, especially thedoctors that we're working for. You know,

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they've done six, seven, eightyears of college and then they they're
working with us and we have abase level, right, But we know
a lot, so we're referring andworking with these doctors, and so that
ups our game being in that master'slevel. So I think it does improve
the profession as a whole. Andagain, when California gets their licensure,

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it's going to make the entire stateor the country the same. And that's
going to even raise our bar evenmore for those listening and watching and want
to pursue an athletic training profession.What's what's a good job to start off
with when you graduate's what's the firstjob? What's that door you're trying to

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open to get into as far assetting that foundation to start your career,
you know, after you even certified. The cool thing about the process to
becoming certified is you do a tonof internships, and so the school that
you go to for your masters willconnect you to different levels and so a

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lot of students go in and say, you know, I want to be
a professional athletic trainer. I wantto work in the NBA, I want
to work in the NFL, Andso a lot of times those schools will
work to give them internships to getthem in there, because really, just
like any profession in the world,too. You know, that's how you're
getting into these into these jobs,right, But it's all about your clinical

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experiences. But how do you whodo you internship with, who do you
meet? What is that impression thatyou give off as an athletic training student
so that when you become certified theywant to hire you. You know,
my internship, I did a lotwith the university and when I got done,
they hired me as an assistant rightafter I graduated, and you know,

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I worked my butt off to makethat happen, right like that was
my goal was to be there,and I wanted to be a university athletic
trainer and I wanted to be atConcordia, and so I worked hard to
make sure that happened. And sothat would be my advice is fine jobs,
but you're not going to start thetop. You've got to work your
way up, and you've got todo the grunt work. You've got to

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grind, and it's okay to benot where you want to be end game
to start, and so you canstart as a high school athletic trainer and
work your way up. In theuniversity, you can start as a clinical
athletic trainer. You can start.It doesn't really matter where you start,
but develop those relationships with people alongthe way and you'll get to where you
want to be. Your career ismoving along. You're at Concordia in Mixing.

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You're over in China, you're inShanghai athletic trainer wellness coordinator with Concordi
International School, Shanghai. How didyou end up over there? How was
that experience? Listen? If youwould have asked me six years ago to
go to Shanghai or just go toAsia in general and be an athletic trainer,
I'd be like, Nope, no. So the head of school at

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Concordia Shanghai, I knew her fromKencordia Irvine, and so she reached out
when they had a job opening.I was in charge of our clinical preceptors
at the university, and so shereached out and she's like, hey,
can you send this out to allthe preceptors that you know, we're looking
to hire a new athletic trainer.And at the bottom she's like, and
I would love for you to apply. And I was like, you know,

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that's great, but no, I'llforward on the email, you know,
And God worked in crazy ways,and I just couldn't stop thinking about
it, and so finally schedule thecall with her and just kind of talk
through. I mean, I wasso scared of like, what is it
like to live in China. Idon't speak the language, I can't like,
there's no way, right, Andso she's like, no, it's

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okay, Like you'll be fine,we help you through everything. And so
I was like, you know,I'll apply and then I'll let God just
dictate where things are going to go. Next thing, you know, I'm
accepting a position in Shanghai. Soit was the most amazing experience. I
wouldn't trade it for the world.So there was some definite hard times there,
but being an international athletic trainer isit's a gift in a different way.

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It's so different than athletic training inAmerica because you're following a different country
set of rules and they don't reallyrecognize athletic training, and so educating the
school itself is an American school inShanghai for the most part, the curriculum
is very American, so a lotof the teachers and the students already knew
an athletic trainer was from their timein the States, but the rest of

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the country doesn't know what athletic trainingis. There's actually not a name in
Mandarin for athletic trainer, and sothere was a lot of educating that had
to happen between myself and like ourschool nurses, myself and some of our
local hospitals that we work with,and some of our local parents where the
kids were at the school. Theparents don't really speak any English, and

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so learning how to navigate that andbe an athletic trainer for a culture that
doesn't understand what I offer was veryinteresting in a huge learning curve. But
I got to go to Our conferencehas like five or six different countries in
it. So within the first monthof being in Shanghai, I was in

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Korea, actually calling an ambulance inKorea, which was the craziest moment ever,
but got to experience it's a Koreanhospital, my gosh. But yeah.
We traveled to the Philippines, toHong Kong, to Japan and Taiwan,
all with our sports teams and sogot to travel around. We have

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athletic trainers in those different countries,so I got to meet those athletic trainers
and interact with them, and soit's a great The international world is an
awesome, awesome little bubble to bea part of. What a great experience
that was? What sports? Whatsports were you traveling with besides educating and

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teaching what what sports were they playing? Basically any sport that we play here.
So the seasons are a little bitdifferent than American seasons. But we
had our big traditional ones volleyball,basketball, baseball, softball, and then
we had table tennis is huge there. Badminton is really big there. We

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had regular tennis. What else wasthere there swim and die. So yeah,
we had the very traditional Our schooldid not have football or rugby.
Some of the other international schools hadrugby. So yeah, there was a
lot of different I mean basically it'sthe same. The level of play is
different than America. But those kidsdon't play sports year round like we do

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here. They play three different sports, so they go from season one to
season two to season three and theyare just all around athletes and so the
level is different, but the kidis exceptional if you really like take in
what they're doing. On top ofthat, they're in performing arts and so
they're doing plays and musicals, andthen holding a four point whatever GPA.

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Right, So, I mean it'scrazy. The athlete, the student is
different than an American student athlete,but different in a good way, right,
Yeah, how student athletes used tobe. When I was growing up.
Back in the day, you playedmultiple sports football in the fall,
you had a basketball, soccer,you had spring, you had baseball,
or I mean, you just playedmultiple sports and you're out until the street

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lights came on. But it's adifferent world. Now. Were you over
there when this whole COVID stuff wascoming out? Yes, so wow.
The week that COVID out broke,I was actually in the Philippines on vacation,
and so I came back to theUS. I was here for about
eight months and then went back intoShanghai and then didn't leave until June of

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this last year. So that wasprobably more of the trial part of that
experience. But and it was tough, Don't get me wrong, that was
it was. It was a hardthree years. But as a result,
the positive of that is I gotto see parts of China that I would
have never seen had I been ableto leave the country, and so I

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got to explore and see basically northeast, south and west of that country,
and I can't trade that experience.Absolutely. What an experience to go over
and do that and be able towork and do what you love at the
same time and see different parts ofthe world. And you come back,
as you mentioned eight months ago,and now you're here at Orange Lutheran.

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What was intriguing about the opportunity toOrange Lutheran and what you want to do
there and do what the program's there. This is a huge growth opportunity for
me. This is definitely out ofmy comfort zone as far as I'm not
a clinical athletic trainer this year,but I also get to tap into my
experiences. I can Cordy Irvine beinga program director and so I'm writing the

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curriculum for this health academy, andso the Health Profession's Academy is it's going
to be great once it gets upand going next year. But learning the
process and learning how to write anacademy in high school is growing me in
different ways, and so I loveit like it's a great opportunity. I
do miss clinical athletic training. Ifind myself sneaking down the athletic training room

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just to kind of what are weWhat are you evaluating? Can I just
tape an ankle? You know?But yeah, so we're working on that.
And then I work really closely withour sports performance and our sports Medicine
group, and so just being apart of the growth of those two programs
and how we're able to positively influenceour student athletes on campus is great.

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Well, not only that you're anabject professor at Concordia University, you're vying
in the master's and coaching athletics administrationprogram. As you mentioned, you got
a master's of business before this programstarted. How did you get involved with
this program and start teaching? SoI was already a teacher at Irvine when

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the program was starting, and sothey reached out to myself and the head
athletic trainer at the time and askedus to write the sports medicine class leading
into the first semester starting and sowe created that course. And then when
the athletic trainer moved on to hernew us in life, she I took

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over that course and have been teachingit ever since. And so yeah,
I've been involved in the nutrition classand that sports medicine class basically since the
start of the program, which isreally cool. It's interesting because we've we've
talked to different professionals who have,you know, talked and taught an administrative

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class or taught a sports class,a specific sports class. What have you
noticed about this program in general forthose administrators and coaches and athletic directors that
are coming through this program as faras how they come in and everyone we
talked to, it seems like it'slike, Wow, I'm a baseball coach
or I was a basketball coach,and it opened my eyes. I thought
I knew everything and I knew howto coach, but hearing from a football

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coach and hearing the perspective from adifferent coach or different side of sports opened
up their learning even more. Yeah. What I love about this course,
the two courses that I teach iswhen these coaches come in. Most of
the time they're a coach that goesinto the administrative realm, so that's kind
of where their history is. Andthey'll come in and they'll be like,

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yeah, I you know, Itook a sports medicine class when I was
an undergrad and it was great opportunity. And then they go through this course
and they get done, and they'relike, yeah, it's kind of changed
a lot, right, and sowe don't rub dirt on it anymore the
way we used to. And youknow, there's there's a little bit in
there, like I wish we wouldrub a little bit more dirt on some
of our injuries. But it's okay. The pendulum swings and I'm most swing

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back eventually. But it's really coolto watch these coaches work through how do
I treat a student athlete that's injuredand when my mentality has always been rubb
dirt on it, Oh, yougot your bell rung, don't worry about
it. It's not a concussion.It's just a bell and then taking my
course and being like, oh yeah, so I didn't realize that that's what

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was happening when a concussion actually occurred, and that's why I shouldn't call it
bell rung And oh wait, that'sthe testing that you put our students through
every time they get a concussion.I can't do that and I'm healthy,
And so learning that process has beenreally valuable and watching the coaches develop through
that process on Okay, now Isee how I can change and be better

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as I'm teaching or working with ourstudents as they get injured. You talked
about the coaches saying how much thingshave changed since they took a class to
Now moving forward and you're writing yourcurriculum for the health program, where do
you see things maybe going in theyears here with athletic training and performance and

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health as far as the technology continuesto get better, are we just going
to continue to open doors and godown paths to maybe we don't even know
what's going to happen. I wouldsay, we don't know where the future
is going to lead us. Ithink that athletic training is going to be
better blended with our sports medicine doctors, and we're going to start to see

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that athletic training will be more recognizedand understood through our medical professions. And
I think that's the critical piece thereis. Technology is going to ebb and
flow. Technology is going to sometimesmake our lives harder, sometimes make them
better. And we've I mean,we've seen how technology has impacted the profession.

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But then sometimes we push the technologyand then we're like, oh,
maybe we need to go backwards alittle bit and not pushed on that technology
so hard. And so there's justdifferent. Who knows where technology is going
to go next, but I'm lookingforward to seeing how all of the medical
professions starts to blend a little bitbetter and start to recognize each other more

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fluidly. You know. So whenyou said the kid to the emergency room
and the doctor comes back and says, yeah, they have a concussion,
but they're cleared to play, andthen the athletic trainer is like, uh
no, because we have our protocolslike but that's a lot of confusion for
parents and athletes. And so whenthat starts to blend, I think that's
where you're going to see the professionreally take off from a respect level from

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other professionals. Got a weird questionfor you, and I just thought of
it as you were talking and talkingabout the future. Analytics and sports is
really big as far as performance anddissecting baseball and pitches and tendencies, and
you know, football is the sameway they chart and the graph everything.
I'm sure it's the case for everysport now for athletic training. Has analytics

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gotten into that side of sports.Certainly has got into sports performance and the
health side of it, but athletictraining, the analytics is that just part
of the technology that continues to grow. Is analytics even part of athletics training
kind of a weird question, butI didn't know if it is or not.
I think some of your younger athletictrainers are experimenting more with the analytics.

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I know for us, like wewe overlap a lot with our sports
performance and so we'll use their forceplates, and so our sports performance guys
will run an athlete that is notquite return to play, but pretty darn
close. They'll run them through likejump testing, balance testing right to left
and kind of see where their bodyis in space, like can that athlete

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with stand a force of just theirown body weight versus a force of being
hit at the same time. Andso we'll use those analytics for sure,
and we have that ability, andso that's great. But I think in
a lot of your more state schools, your lower income schools, you're not
going to use the analytics. Andso as an athletic trainer, you have

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to be able to do both endsof understanding analytics and being able to use
that information. But also, Okay, I want you to go out there
and run a figure eight, andI want to see how you respond I
want to go out there and postup on you and see if you can
handle that force, and then I'llput you back into return to play.
So I think you're going to seeboth ends of the spectrum. Not to
confuse people, but sports performance athletictraining are two separate, two separate things,

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but they do, as you mentioned, they do overlap when we're talking
about rehabbing to make sure the healthof the student athlete is on par where
it should be, right, correct, Yeah, yeah, all right.
For those that are interested in theMasters and Coaching Athletics Administration program, what
would you encourage them to find outmore about? I mean, if they're
interested in taking that next step whentheir coaching career, teaching career, or

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get into administration athletic director. Whythis program. This is a foundational program
for the school. We started thisprogram with the intention of growing our athletic
directors and teaching them how to handlethat administrative piece. But we've branched out
so much more and now we helpthe coach and what is their sports specific

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and how can they grow as asports specific coach, but then also learn
that administrative piece and understand that soif their end game is to become an
athletic director somewhere at any level,they have that ability, you know,
and having your master's degree is supervaluable. It's you know, it's one
of those things that you put inyour back pocket and you may not need

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it right now, but there's goingto be a point where you decide to
grow. You know, Coaching isan amazing gift that someone can offer a
student athlete, but there's also atime limit on that, right, Like
our bodies can only handle so much, and some sports are easier to coach
than others. And so there's apoint where you're going to want to look
to how do I influence positively othercoaches and how do I grow those people

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below me? And that masters isgoing to help a ton to understanding the
political piece of it, to understandingthe financial piece of being an athletic director.
How to understand people, I meanpeople is the hardest part of life,
right, and so how we learnhow to problem solve with people and
different things that happen. And so, yeah, having that master's degree is

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valuable. In Concordia is all aboutrelationships. It's all about connecting the student
with their teacher. It's an onlineprogram but there's a lot of interaction between
the staff and the student, andI think that's valuable. It's not just
a plug and play kind of program. And thanks for the degree. At
the end, Relationships are forums,conversations are had, and that's super valuable

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that not all programs can offer.Well. Love talking with you. Loved
hearing your story from a volleyball playerto getting in into athletic training to now
what you're doing at Orange Lutheran andcreating that health program and the curriculum there
is fantastic. Your time overseas inChina and seeing different part of the world
during one of the craziest times inthe history of the world. What a

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story you will have for the restof your life. And selfishly, I
love talking to you about athletic trainingbecause my daughters are heavily involved in that's
the career path that they are lookingto go down right now. So I
know I learned a lot. I'mgoing to share this with my daughters and
hopefully those listening to watching right nowfound out a little bit more about athletic
training and that program and that directionthat you can go down as far as

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a career path. Thank you somuch. For joining us here on the
podcast. Awesome, thank you somuch. Well, there she goes doctor
Jennifer Rizzo. What a career shehas had from volleyball player, athletic trainer
and now she is the director ofHealth and Human Performance in the program that
she is starting at Orange luthor InHigh School here in southern California. How
about those couple of years over inChina traveling around as an athletic trainer and

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wellness coordinator with Concordia International School asShanghai during COVID of all times. Great
to hear her story. Great tohear more about athletic training and that's a
career you'd like to pursue. Shetold you all about it, what the
details are as far as the educationinvolved, and how you can get started
as an athletic trainer at the collegiate, the professional level, or the high

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school level as well. So thanksto doctor Jennifer Rizzo. Thanks to you
for watching and listening. Again.Find out more about the Masters in Coaching
and Athletics Administration program at Ncordia UniversityIrvine. There's multiple start dates throughout the
year. Go to CUI dot eduslash coaching find out if it's the right
fit for you if you want totake that next step in your career,
whether you're a coach, athletic director, school administrator. Find out more how

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you can better your career, betteryour life, better your education with a
Master's in Coaching Athletics Administration program atConcordia University, Irvine. Again if you're
a first time student, a onethousand dollars scholarship if you start the program
all right, thanks to doctor Rizzo. Thanks to you for listening and watching.
That'll do it for episode sixty eightof the Masters in Coaching Podcast.

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Now in the books until next time, sim Kate's saying, so long, everybody,