July 7, 2025 • 9 mins
Ari Hoffman joins Mendte in the Morning to talk about the ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I do want to talk about the devastating Texas floods
that have impacted countless residents. Families have lost their homes,
communities and lives have been shattered, and as we mentioned,
children are still missing. The need in that area is urgent.
So because of that, we're asking if you can donate,
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(00:22):
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donate Community Foundation dot net. Now let's get to Ariy
(00:43):
Hoffman and Ariy before we talk about other things. And
I know we talked about this many times, and thank
you so much for talking with us when you were
in Israel. It was compelling. Do you have any final
thoughts anyway to wrap this up in a ribon your.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Trip, uh, and glad to be with you. You know,
I think we really see the payoff, not just from
my trip, but but from the twelve day war. Today
in in in Washington, right Prime Minister nets Yahoo is
meeting with with President Trump. You know, losses on the agenda,
(01:22):
the possibility of a ceasefire, what to do with Iran.
There were some missiles from the Hookies and Yemen launched
overnight at Israel. So that's another kind of theater to
keep to keep an eye on that. This is you know,
if there ever was high stakes diplomacy, Uh, this is
really it, Larry. And you know, all signs seem to
(01:43):
suggest that bb and Trump are really moving in locksteps
such that you know, Trump even put in a good
word uh for the Prime Minister with respect to his
his legal troubles, something that President Trump no doubt has
a lot of empathy for, having been through that that
gauntlet himself.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, the meeting at the White House is going
to be fascinating. There is some talk out there, and
I've heard from some pretty pretty in the know people
that I've trusted in the past that are saying that
there's going to be an expansion of the Abraham Accords
and it may be Syria.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, And just to give a little bit of
historical contact, Larry, you know, it's easy to have have
to take it for granted, but you know, Syria, for
the first decades of israel existence, was probably its most
formidable enemy. Under President Assad's father also a president Assad
and even in more recent history, the Asad regime was
(02:41):
implacably opposed to Israel, allied with Iran at the hip,
you know, totally devoted to their masters in Moscow. And
it's just a remarkable development that we might see stalling
of those relationships now. It's important not to get entirely
ahead of ourselves. I mean, you know, the Syria is
(03:04):
still being governed by a kind of you know, isis alum,
so I think that caution is deserved there. But still
it's a sign of Israel's strengths. It's it's a sign
of the transformative nature of the Abraham Accords that this
has now come into the realm of possibility and even
(03:24):
a security arrangement. It's short of full peace, it's still
a huge deal, Larry. I mean, remember, you know, Israel
shares a border with Syria and that you know, so
the kind of lowering of temperature there would be an
enormous development for Israelite for the region.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, Arie, I'm so glad you said that, because I
don't think Donald Trump got enough credit for the Abraham
Accords and now reaching out to Syria when he was
over visiting in the Middle East, reaching out to Syria
and bringing them into the rest of the world, and
letting what he did was let bygones be bygones because
there's somebody new in charge. I am.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Think that a democratic president would have done that, and
I don't think that Biden certainly would have done that.
I think that only happens with Donald Trump in office.
And what's amazing to me is that, I especially in
the media, I don't think he gets enough credit for
some outstanding things he's done that for some reason, always
fly under the radar.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, I think the removing of
sanctions that we saw last week was a first step here.
Right clearly there's a larger effort going on behind the scenes,
of diplomatic effort, and you know, the payoff could be
really big. I mean, not just for Israel. Remember, you
(04:49):
know Stria has also been deviled American president, and you
know a kind of as you as you, as you said, Larry,
bringing Celia closer to the orbit of the West, you know,
will have the effect of weakening Iran even more and
even made me more importantly, weakening Russian interests in the region,
(05:10):
and Chinese interests, right, So there's a real sense of
kind of larger chess going on here. And I totally
agree with you about the way in which the Pop
Abraham Accords, even just as a as a framework, have
really changed what's possible in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, and again, I just think it gets ignored by
the media, or it just gets a tepid response from
the media as they continue to look to criticize him.
I do want to talk about your column about the
Supreme Court, which I found fascinating. You think that they've
done a lot already, but you think that this is
(05:48):
going to extend right through the summer.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, you know, speak about kind of people being you know,
surprised or consistently surprised. I think President Trump's success at
the Supreme Court has consistently shocked a lot of observers
who have consistently underrated his arguments and his chances. And
we've seen the conclusion just last week of a really
(06:12):
successful by any measure, Supreme Court term around immigration issues.
A little farther back, he had some key wins on
certain size of government and what I've called the Doge docket, right,
cases that related to the shrinking of the size of government.
But now we see, you know, more could be ahead.
(06:33):
You know, just a couple of days ago, the Supreme
Court allowed him to deport eight people accused of serious
crimes excuse me, convicted of serious crimes to South Sudan.
So now the possibility of deportation to a third country, right,
not the country of origin and not here in America,
but another country. And really the big case next term,
I think is going to turn on the use of
(06:54):
the Elliot enemy fact well and whether the president in
his constitutional authority to deploy it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right. Well, what about birthright citizenship? They kind of were
they touched on it, but really punted on the key question.
And I think this will be as big of a
case as roe in the reaction across the country. If
they decide to say no, birthright citizenship was for slaves.
(07:25):
That doesn't mean that anybody else that is born here
automatically becomes a citizen, which is a possibility. I don't
think it's going to happen, but it's certainly a possibility.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Sure, And that's becoming I think more lankly, Larry, because
we're now starting to see the certification of classes or
class action suits to challenge birthright citizenship even in the
absence now of nationwide injunctions. And that could mean that
the case, as you mentioned, comes back up to the
Supreme Court on the merits right. So if we have
(07:55):
enough of these cases kind of percolating over the summer,
I don't think it would be shocking eventually for the
Court to say, Hey, you know, we ruled on on process,
we ruled on injunctions. Let's actually sit down and decide
what did the fourteenth Amendment mean when it was written
in the aftermath of the Civil War, and what does
(08:15):
it mean today? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Because the guy that originally wrote it, the senator from Wisconsin,
I believe it was, got up and said, of course,
I'm not talking about people that just move here and
have children. I'm talking about the children of slaves. He
came out and said that it's just that a previous
support Supreme Court ruling saw in a different way. That's
the only thing that they that they talk about when
(08:37):
they say no, it's obviously means this.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah. And you know, if you go back to eighteen
and sixty eight, I mean there was no immigration basically.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Of any time, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, And that changed in the case in the nineteen
twenties that you allude to Wan kim Ark, which was,
you know, sort of a very different set of circumstances.
And it wouldn't be that hard for the court to say, Okay,
we're going to skip past the one kim Our case,
go back to the origins right as textualists, as originalists,
(09:08):
and see the original context within which the Fourteenth Amendment
was written, which is very exclusively a Civil War context.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it'll be fascinating. Ary Hoffman, Associate editor of The
New York Sun. Thanks so much, Eric, good to talk
to you. Glad you're back.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Glary
I do want to talk about the devastating Texas floods
that have impacted countless residents. Families have lost their homes,
communities and lives have been shattered, and as we mentioned,
children are still missing. The need in that area is urgent.
So because of that, we're asking if you can donate,
and if at all possible, if you can afford to donate,
(00:22):
donations go to Community Foundation dot net. They will go
directly to trusted local organizations to provide food, shelter, healthcare,
and most of all, hope. So if you're able to
donate Community Foundation dot net. Now let's get to Ariy
(00:43):
Hoffman and Ariy before we talk about other things. And
I know we talked about this many times, and thank
you so much for talking with us when you were
in Israel. It was compelling. Do you have any final
thoughts anyway to wrap this up in a ribon your.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Trip, uh, and glad to be with you. You know,
I think we really see the payoff, not just from
my trip, but but from the twelve day war. Today
in in in Washington, right Prime Minister nets Yahoo is
meeting with with President Trump. You know, losses on the agenda,
(01:22):
the possibility of a ceasefire, what to do with Iran.
There were some missiles from the Hookies and Yemen launched
overnight at Israel. So that's another kind of theater to
keep to keep an eye on that. This is you know,
if there ever was high stakes diplomacy, Uh, this is
really it, Larry. And you know, all signs seem to
(01:43):
suggest that bb and Trump are really moving in locksteps
such that you know, Trump even put in a good
word uh for the Prime Minister with respect to his
his legal troubles, something that President Trump no doubt has
a lot of empathy for, having been through that that
gauntlet himself.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, the meeting at the White House is going
to be fascinating. There is some talk out there, and
I've heard from some pretty pretty in the know people
that I've trusted in the past that are saying that
there's going to be an expansion of the Abraham Accords
and it may be Syria.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, And just to give a little bit of
historical contact, Larry, you know, it's easy to have have
to take it for granted, but you know, Syria, for
the first decades of israel existence, was probably its most
formidable enemy. Under President Assad's father also a president Assad
and even in more recent history, the Asad regime was
(02:41):
implacably opposed to Israel, allied with Iran at the hip,
you know, totally devoted to their masters in Moscow. And
it's just a remarkable development that we might see stalling
of those relationships now. It's important not to get entirely
ahead of ourselves. I mean, you know, the Syria is
(03:04):
still being governed by a kind of you know, isis alum,
so I think that caution is deserved there. But still
it's a sign of Israel's strengths. It's it's a sign
of the transformative nature of the Abraham Accords that this
has now come into the realm of possibility and even
(03:24):
a security arrangement. It's short of full peace, it's still
a huge deal, Larry. I mean, remember, you know, Israel
shares a border with Syria and that you know, so
the kind of lowering of temperature there would be an
enormous development for Israelite for the region.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, Arie, I'm so glad you said that, because I
don't think Donald Trump got enough credit for the Abraham
Accords and now reaching out to Syria when he was
over visiting in the Middle East, reaching out to Syria
and bringing them into the rest of the world, and
letting what he did was let bygones be bygones because
there's somebody new in charge. I am.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Think that a democratic president would have done that, and
I don't think that Biden certainly would have done that.
I think that only happens with Donald Trump in office.
And what's amazing to me is that, I especially in
the media, I don't think he gets enough credit for
some outstanding things he's done that for some reason, always
fly under the radar.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, I think the removing of
sanctions that we saw last week was a first step here.
Right clearly there's a larger effort going on behind the scenes,
of diplomatic effort, and you know, the payoff could be
really big. I mean, not just for Israel. Remember, you
(04:49):
know Stria has also been deviled American president, and you
know a kind of as you as you, as you said, Larry,
bringing Celia closer to the orbit of the West, you know,
will have the effect of weakening Iran even more and
even made me more importantly, weakening Russian interests in the region,
(05:10):
and Chinese interests, right, So there's a real sense of
kind of larger chess going on here. And I totally
agree with you about the way in which the Pop
Abraham Accords, even just as a as a framework, have
really changed what's possible in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, and again, I just think it gets ignored by
the media, or it just gets a tepid response from
the media as they continue to look to criticize him.
I do want to talk about your column about the
Supreme Court, which I found fascinating. You think that they've
done a lot already, but you think that this is
(05:48):
going to extend right through the summer.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, you know, speak about kind of people being you know,
surprised or consistently surprised. I think President Trump's success at
the Supreme Court has consistently shocked a lot of observers
who have consistently underrated his arguments and his chances. And
we've seen the conclusion just last week of a really
(06:12):
successful by any measure, Supreme Court term around immigration issues.
A little farther back, he had some key wins on
certain size of government and what I've called the Doge docket, right,
cases that related to the shrinking of the size of government.
But now we see, you know, more could be ahead.
(06:33):
You know, just a couple of days ago, the Supreme
Court allowed him to deport eight people accused of serious
crimes excuse me, convicted of serious crimes to South Sudan.
So now the possibility of deportation to a third country, right,
not the country of origin and not here in America,
but another country. And really the big case next term,
I think is going to turn on the use of
(06:54):
the Elliot enemy fact well and whether the president in
his constitutional authority to deploy it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right. Well, what about birthright citizenship? They kind of were
they touched on it, but really punted on the key question.
And I think this will be as big of a
case as roe in the reaction across the country. If
they decide to say no, birthright citizenship was for slaves.
(07:25):
That doesn't mean that anybody else that is born here
automatically becomes a citizen, which is a possibility. I don't
think it's going to happen, but it's certainly a possibility.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Sure, And that's becoming I think more lankly, Larry, because
we're now starting to see the certification of classes or
class action suits to challenge birthright citizenship even in the
absence now of nationwide injunctions. And that could mean that
the case, as you mentioned, comes back up to the
Supreme Court on the merits right. So if we have
(07:55):
enough of these cases kind of percolating over the summer,
I don't think it would be shocking eventually for the
Court to say, Hey, you know, we ruled on on process,
we ruled on injunctions. Let's actually sit down and decide
what did the fourteenth Amendment mean when it was written
in the aftermath of the Civil War, and what does
(08:15):
it mean today? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Because the guy that originally wrote it, the senator from Wisconsin,
I believe it was, got up and said, of course,
I'm not talking about people that just move here and
have children. I'm talking about the children of slaves. He
came out and said that it's just that a previous
support Supreme Court ruling saw in a different way. That's
the only thing that they that they talk about when
(08:37):
they say no, it's obviously means this.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah. And you know, if you go back to eighteen
and sixty eight, I mean there was no immigration basically.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Of any time, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, And that changed in the case in the nineteen
twenties that you allude to Wan kim Ark, which was,
you know, sort of a very different set of circumstances.
And it wouldn't be that hard for the court to say, Okay,
we're going to skip past the one kim Our case,
go back to the origins right as textualists, as originalists,
(09:08):
and see the original context within which the Fourteenth Amendment
was written, which is very exclusively a Civil War context.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, it'll be fascinating. Ary Hoffman, Associate editor of The
New York Sun. Thanks so much, Eric, good to talk
to you. Glad you're back.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Glary
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