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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, be careful out there. A little bit later today,
it's going to be cold and it's going to be
mostly rainy. Some of the areas are going to get snow.
We just talked to race Stagic a short time ago.
This leads off the Big Three, by the way, the
first winter storm, because some people are going to get
hit harder than others. Race Stagic said to us, well,
just about forty minutes ago said that if you looked
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out the window, you might see some flurries. I just did.
So there's nothing in New York City right now, no
precipitation whatsoever. The initial reports were it was going to
start at about ten o'clock. Some areas are going to
get snow. The farther up north you get where Natalie
Vaka lives. They're going to get some snow in North Jersey.
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But for the most of it it's a rain event,
So be careful when you're traveling. We're going to have
another update with Ray Stagic coming up at a twenty
five just to see if anything change with this storm,
because you know what these storms are like, all of
a sudden, it goes from all rain to all snow
or nothing. So Raced Agent coming up at a twenty
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five the meteorologists for war in the Weather Channel. The
Trump administration now admits that there was a second strike
on a boat in the Caribbean, after all, a boat
that was disabled in the water.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have made it clear that
presidentially designated narco terrorist groups are subject to lethal targeting
in accordance with the laws of war.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, that all may be true, but the Democrats say
this is a war crime, even though President Obama had
five hundred drone strikes and killed people all around the world. No, no, no,
that was okay, this is a war crime. After the
shooting of two National Guards members in the nation's capital
by an Afghan national, there is new focus on who
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is allowed into the country after the debacle of withdrawal
from Afghanistan and how they were vetted or should I
say not vetted.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
They knowingly violated law. There's a process for this to happen,
and it's on an individualized basis. You don't get to
just wave a wand and say anybody from these countries
can come in here without any vetting.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, everything is stopped for right now, so we can
get an idea of who is in the country. One
of the people we know is in the country is
Ramanula Lochenwald, who was accused of murdering twenty year old
Sarah Bestrom, one of the National Guard members that was shot.
The other National Guard member, twenty four year old Andrew Wolf,
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has been upgraded from critical to serious condition.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Andrew remains in serious condition. We did have some positive
news that we were told that Andrew was asked if
he could hear the nurse who asked the question to
give a thumbs up, and he did respond.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You might have seen it by now. Starbucks baristas are
on strike in Manhattan and they some big name support
from Mayor elect Zorin Mamdani and Senator Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
The struggle those workers have is that not enough people
know about their fight, not enough people know what they
are being forced to accept. So the more that you
can bring that awareness, the more that you can bring
that attention, the easier it is for workers to demand
the bare minimum. And that is what I will continue
to do as the next mayor of the city.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, it's election day both in Jersey City and in Tennessee.
In Jersey City it's a runoff and the race for
mayor between former governor Jim mcgrievy and Councilman James Solomon.
It's supposed to be a close race, and in Tennessee,
a congressional race that's closer than it was expected to
be between Republican Matt Van Ebbs and the Democrat aft
(03:43):
In Ben. The race again surprisingly close in a Republican district,
and especially after Ben said this about Nashville, the biggest
city in the district that she wants to represent.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The Ben heavily involved with the Nashville mayoral race because
I hate the city.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I hate the bachelorettes, I hate the pedal taverns, I
hate country music, I hate all of the things.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
That make Nashville apparently.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I hate city to the.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
Rest of the country, but I hate it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I hate you, but I want to be your Congressman.
The New York Gaming Board voted to approve three new
casinos for New York City.
Speaker 9 (04:20):
The board selects Valley's Bronx, hard Rock, Metropolitan Park, and
Resorts World New York City.
Speaker 10 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All along, there's been opposition to every one of the site's.
Final approval of the projects by the State Gaming Commission
now seems assured. Wow, there's a whole lot going on
in Washington, d C. Surrounding the White House in Congress.
Let's get right to John Decker, WR White House and
Washington correspondent and host of the new podcast The White
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House Briefing Room with John Decker, which could be found
on the iHeartRadio app. John is with us every Tuesday
and Thursday. At this time. You know, John, there's so
much attention being given to Venezuela right now, and so
much attention to the National Guards people being shot, and
the pause on immigration because of that, that we forget
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what might be the biggest story, and that is a
possible peace deal in Ukraine. And there's people in Russia
right now. Are they going to speak with Putin?
Speaker 10 (05:25):
Yeah, that's the plan. We're talking about. Steve Whitkoff, new
York City developer who's known President Donald Trump for years,
who now serves as the special envoy concerning the war
in Ukraine. And in addition to that, Jared Kushner, who's
the President's son in law, who is one of the
authors of that original twenty eight point peace proposal that
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President Trump unveiled several weeks ago. They are meeting with
President Putin, and the idea here is to get buy
in from Russia in terms of what has already been
agreed to as far as Ukraine is concerned. So that's
why it is an important meeting that will happen today
in Moscow.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Right now, that's no longer twenty eight points. Right, it
went through Ukraine and it went through Europe.
Speaker 10 (06:07):
Point how many has been narrowed and refined? Yes?
Speaker 11 (06:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And do we know what they are? What survived?
Speaker 10 (06:14):
We don't know all of them. No, we don't know
all nineteen points. You know. I think that what Ukrainian
President Vladimir Zelensky has said is that there are issues
that remain unresolved concerning what is called territorial issues, and
that's probably the biggest issue concerning the war in Ukraine.
If and when there's an end to the war, what
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does the sovereign territory of Ukraine look like, What does
Ukraine keep, what does Russia acquire? All of those are
things that you know, I think you just don't have
meeting of the minds concerning those particular issues.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The important thing I believe right now is that we've
had all of these talks in the media about possible
peace in Ukraine, and it's always died before this point.
We never got to this point before. We're further along,
correct me if I'm wrong on this, but we're further
along right now in a possible peace deal than we've
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ever been.
Speaker 10 (07:11):
I think that's right. But also let's not forget. President
Trump at one point actually met with President Putin. That
was in mid August in Anchorage, Alaska, and I don't
know about you, I thought that was the closest point
that we could possibly be towards getting an end to
the war in Ukraine. And in fact, just three days later,
you may recall, following that meeting that the President had
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with Putin, he met with President Zelensky in the White
House in the Oval Office, and at that point that
stage mid August, I thought, Wow, a lot of momentum
now here. Perhaps we are on a pathway to ending
the war. And of course that didn't materialize.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Now walk me through this, because the initial reports were
that this was after conversations with envoys from Russia, that
the twenty eight points were up and it was really
Russia's proposal, And then Russia's proposal went to Ukraine and
Europe and they cut some of it, and they changed
some of it, and now it's going back to Russia,
so that there are negotiations. It's shuttle negotiations, but their
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negotiations going on. We've never really had that in the
past with both sides participating.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
Well, that's right. You know, we've seen some sort of
shuttle diplomacy. You may recall a few months ago as well,
involving Ukrainian and Russian officials, but that really didn't go anywhere.
Perhaps this could be a pathway, an exit ramp, so
to speak, for Putin to end the war. That's what
President Trump is hoping for. But as you know, Larry
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Putin has shown no desire, no initiative to end the war.
You know, we just see these attacks on civilian areas
of Ukraine happenings every day, and they've increased even after
the President met with Putin in Anchorage, Alaska just a
few months ago.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, I learned something from Jordana Miller in Israel
when I was talking to her one time, and it
was after there was a ceasefire and aal that was
supposed to happen, and there was continued strikes right up
to it, and she said to me, this always happens
when there's going to be peace, when they're going to
be an end of the conflict, all of a sudden
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we get more bombing than we ever did before. So
because of what she said, I wasn't surprised John, at
what was happening in Ukraine. If we are close to peace,
both sides are going to get try to get their
last strikes in.
Speaker 10 (09:26):
Well. Perhaps, you know, I don't know if you can
necessarily transpose what happens, you know, between Israel and Amas
to Russia and Ukraine, but you know, perhaps that's the hope.
You know, I'm hopeful. I think everybody is hopeful that
this war will soon come to an end, you know, Larry.
February marks the four year anniversary of the start of
Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I think we're all hopeful at this point. And again,
at least they're talking, and so that's a really positive sign.
Thanks a lot, Thanks for our only information, John, I
appreciate talking absolute. John Decker wor White House and Washington
correspondent and host of the new podcast The White House
Briefing Room with John Decker, which can be found in
the iHeartRadio app. John is with us every Tuesday and
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Thursday at this time dinner with strangers. Do you love
it or do you leave it? The answer might shock
you because who's saying yes to the big table? It
is shocking to me. Find out next plus tickets to
see the Trans Siberian Orchestra at A twenty five. If
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Speaker 9 (10:48):
I don't know where do you statistics come from.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
However, I know a lot of people who.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
Have lost their job for their companies have closed this year.
I'm not looking at anything democratic or Repuiblican. I'm just
looking at people who have lost their jobs or their
companies have downsides, even some of these big companies Microsoft, Amazon, etc.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, you're right, I mean that's recently been announced. Maybe
in the next set of numbers that come out by
the National Labor statistics. Maybe that'll be in there, because
by the way, they're the two. The numbers come from
the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which they do the GDP
and the inflation numbers, and then the Bureau of Labor
Statistics they do the unemployment numbers. And you're right, there's
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an old saying, it doesn't matter what the economy is
if you just lost your job. Right, it's very personal.
You don't look at the national aspect. There's no macroeconomics.
It's all microeconomics when it comes down to job Lossums
are very sorry for your friends. Even in a good economy,
people lose their jobs. And so hopefully when all of
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these new companies come into the country, which we're told
is going to happen in the first quarter, starting in
the first quarter all through next year, your friends will
be able to find jobs with them. But you're exactly
right that many major companies because of AI have announced
massive layoffs recently. So we'll have to wait and see
what the next statistics show for the next quarter.
Speaker 12 (12:25):
Your interview just now with John Decker was a wonderful
example of journalism. Two of you talking. You both brought
stuff to the discussion. I think you brought up some
things that he didn't know or wasn't ready to talk about,
and he had some facts.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
It was excellent.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Keep up the good work, Larry. Wow, how about that?
That was excellent. And I think when he was saying that,
I think he thought I was a little better than John.
That's a man who wants a T shirt. Yeah, that's true.
That could be for a T shirt. He might be
absolutely correct. Hey, Larry, this.
Speaker 13 (13:03):
Is Raymond from New Jersey. Why are we giving these
Democrats any attention on this war crime story? We all
know that Democrats are pro terrorist, pro drugs, pro criminal,
and anti American, So let's just leave it at that
and let them cry and cry that Trump is doing
what they fear most.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, yeah, I agree with the last thing. I think that.
You know, Trump is an extremely strong leader. And you know,
whether you like what he does or don't like what
he does, you can't argue with that. He gets things done,
he does things. There's always good people that don't like
what he does, but he does things, and some of
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his accomplishments so far have been incredible. But there are
some things. You know, if this happened, if two people
were hanging on the side of a boat and they
shot that deserves to be talked about. It a war crime.
If it's a war crime, Barack Obama be in jail.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
Mari, please stop with the what about is? And I
don't care what Obama did or Bush did or whomever.
The question is, does the president have the legal authority
to summarily execute civilians who haven't fired a shot on
anybody under the law, under international law, or even domestic law.
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The answer is no. Trump has committed illegal acts. Everybody
wants to know an illegal order. These are some of them.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
They're just exposed yourself so much when you said Trump
did it, when Trump has been clear in saying he
didn't know about it, he talked to hegseeth about it.
I mean, unless you can prove that Donald Trump somehow
was involved, that was just such an amazingly biased Democrat statement.
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Trump brompt the law and forget all historical context, forget
that it's happened many times before, forget that others have
done it. We ignored that when they did it. You
got to just look at Donald Trump because he's a
bad guy and man. Should he be in prison? Right?
Isn't that what you want? To say, I just said
it for you because Donald Trump, as far as we know,
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was not involved in this decision. He was not in
the chain of command on this decision. This was Pete
hag Seth and Admiral Bradley. Wow. Well, see it's out
there all right. Let's really quickly, uh talk about gen
Z and their meetings with more people than they care
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to have meetings with. Let's put it that way. It's
called communal dining, and it sounds horrible to me. It's
where and gen Z loves it. I can see why
gen Z loves it.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Me.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I don't want to meet any more new people. Enough
people in your life, I know.
Speaker 10 (15:56):
But you know what this is.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
I asked my daughter, who's gen Z, if her and
her friends would do it? I said, not solo, but
would you go out with a group of friends and
sit at a communal dining table at a restaurant? And
she thought about you? She goes, Hey, if I wanted
to catch up with my friends, probably not. But if
we were going out and you know, we were like
instead of going to a bar, and we wanted to
go meet people, Yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, gen Z talks so much online. I can
see why they want to meet new people. I'll love
to hear what you have to think. Leave us a
talk back and go to the talk back app and
tell me if you want communal dining because I do
not want it. But let's get to Jaqueline Carl right
now with the seven thirty News Jacqueline Lara.
Speaker 14 (16:35):
The second National Guard member shot near the White House
last week is making progress. Staff Sergeant Andrew wolf is
now out of a medically induced coma. The suspect and
the shooting is an Afghan national who worked with US
forces in Afghanistan. He was injured in the incident and
remains hospitalized, facing first degree murder and other related charges
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for the death of Wolfe's colleague, Army specialist Sarah Beckstrom,
and accused the killer, Luigi Mangioni, will be back in
court today as his attorneys looked to politically suppress evidence
in his case.
Speaker 15 (17:07):
During Monday's hearing in a New York City courtroom, prosecutors
played the nine one one call that led to Mangioni's
arrest in Pennsylvania. In the call, and unidentified McDonald's manager
tells the nine one one dispatcher that some customers at
his restaurant believe they've spotted the CEO shooter from New York.
The female managers heard saying she's uneasy to approach mangione
and the dispatcher tells her that an officer is on
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the way. Mangioni's lawyers are trying to get certain evidence
tossed in the States.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Case against him.
Speaker 15 (17:33):
He's accused of assassinating United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson last
December outside of Manhattan Hotel. The hearings are expected to
take up much of the week. Natalie mcgliori wour.
Speaker 14 (17:44):
News, So do you think you can always tell when
people are lying? According to the lad Bible. For years,
Desmond O'Neill worked with the Secret Service as an interrogator.
Now that he's retired, he's sharing the two things he
says liars always do, and they boil down to corrections
and complications. Corrections, O'Neil says, is that when someone is
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recalling their day, they might correct themselves if they misremember something.
That's something O'Neil says is an indicator of truth complications.
Liars also never add complications to their story because they
haven't memorized down to the last detail. You guys have kids,
What do you think about that? Is that like something
you notice when the whoa whoa. You guys have kids, Well,
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you don't. Kids never lie, not to not my kids.
Your kids lie.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
If they're really good at it.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Maybe haven't figured it out yet, even when they're little kids.
Speaker 14 (18:40):
And they try to say blame something on their imaginary friend.
I mean, I'm not saying that they're like no good,
dirty down liars that should be shot behind the woodshed.
I'm saying people lie. Kids lies. Teenagers lie. So let's
get off of that and let me know if you
think these are some of the things that that you
can help you tell whether they're telling the truth or not.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, and let me know if you think adults lie
more than the kid's life, because I think this is one.
I think it's a I think it's a learned trait. Okay,
how to how to lie? That's true? Okay. President Trump
is getting blessed thanks a lot, Jacqueline. President Trump is
getting blested by the Democrats for a national asylum band
for immigrants after the shooting of two National Guard members.
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We'll talk about that next. The country's still reeling over
the shooting of two National Guards members. Thank god that
the one National Guards member, twenty four year old Andrew Woolf,
is now alert and aware. He's talking now. He was
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in critical condition before he was upgraded yesterday. He's doing
even better today. He's not out of the woods just yet.
They still say he's in serious condition, but he's out
of critical condition. And the family if Sarah Beckstrom has
put her to her final resting place, twenty years old,
twenty years old, and you could tell that after this
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guy Ramula Lachenwall, who was in the country granted amnesty,
was brought here under the Biden administration, after the haphazard
and embarrassing withdrawal from Afghanistan, you can tell that all
of those things together made Donald Trump just furious.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
We got a lot of people in our country that
shouldn't be here, and they came in through Biden. And
he was the worst president of the history of our country.
But the single biggest thing he did was allow Mellia,
the worst, allow millions of people into our country that
shouldn't be here. Drug dealers, prisons were opened up and
allowed to come into our country. That animal should not
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have been allowed.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
To come into our country, right, and he's wondering who
else is here, who else may be doing things like this.
I mean, we've had several wake up calls to this,
and so it's not it's not a big surprise that
he has stopped all amnesty hearings. It's not a big
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surprise that he's granting no more amnesty until we can
figure out who's in the country. Millions worth, hundreds of
thousands were let in from Afghanistan. And it's a joke
that they say they were vetted, because how do you
vet them. There's no paperwork. People came here with no paperwork.
They don't keep records in Afghanistan. The Taliban wasn't helping
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us once we gave them the country. So it's ridiculous
to say, oh, they were all fully vetted under Joe Biden. No,
they weren't. We saw what was happening. We saw people
rushing on the planes, and it keeps happening. And Afghan
national was arrested this week after posting a video of
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himself on TikTok indicating he was building a bomb and
the intended target was the Fort Worth area. This is
another guy he's charged now with terroristic threats. He was
granted amnesty and brought here under the Biden administration. How
many are out there?
Speaker 10 (22:17):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And you remember this gem from the Homeland Security Alejandro majorcis.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
Our mission is not accomplished until we have safely evacuated
all US citizens who wish to leave Afghanistan, all lawful
permanent residents, all individuals who have assisted the United States
in Afghanistan. This effort will not end until we have
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achieved that goal.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yep, everybody, everybody, every Afghan person that helped the United
States or wanted asylum from the Taliban was allowed in.
By the way, he was impeached for that very statement.
Speaker 16 (22:58):
And almost every day I was on air saying that
the Secretary of Home and of Security, Alejanda Marijorkers was lying.
So it wasn't Lloyd Austin. These people were not properly vetted.
And you don't have to believe me. But DHS Inspector
General came out report said the same thing and sold
dd IG they weren't properly vetted because they didn't have
access to any documentation. I know for a fact a
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lot of these Afghanistans, the ones that landed here and
Dulles Airport came with no documentation on not even an ID.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It is amazing to me that everything Donald Trump does,
even when it makes sense, the Democrats have to be
on the other side of it. He has forced them
on the wrong side of so many issues. And if
you remember, right after this happened and Donald Trump paused
all amnesty, oh, they were out there on TV constantly
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talking about how awful this was.
Speaker 17 (23:52):
This is a desperate attempt of the Trump administration to
blame everybody else in the world and not accept any
account of it. We should always review our vetting, but
in this case, there is no evidence that there was
something that escaped the vetting.
Speaker 18 (24:06):
Let's talk about the white supremacists and how many of
them needs to be kicked out of this country because
I can guarantee you I can check down more crimes
that they've committed, because overall, immigrants have a lower crime
committal rate than white supremacists at least.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Jasmine Crockett is amusing because she's so absurd, so she
I see some benefit to her. Most of the rest
don't even know what they're talking about. We saw it
with our own eyes. We saw what was happening during
with the withdrawal of Afghanistan. We saw who came over,
We saw how chaotic it was. We're now learning that
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nobody had the proper paperwork. Of course people got in
that weren't properly vetted because you couldn't vet them. There
was nothing to vet, there was no information to get
and so well, yes, you have to have a pause
on this.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
They knowingly violated law. There's a process for this to happen,
and it's on an individualized basis. You don't get to
just wave a wand and say anybody from these countries
can come in here without any vetting.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And I'll tell you what that You're right. There were
people in the Biden administration, as Eric Schmidt just said,
who was a senator from Missouri that violated the law
and majorcas should have been indicted. He was impeached by
the House. He should have been indicted, He should have
been kicked out office. He was horrible. He lied all
the time. Remember, the border is secure. The border is secure.
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And Andrew McCarthy, by the way, I'm a big fan
of he pushed back a little bit on the Trump administration,
saying that this person, the man the Afghan national that
killed those two National Guards members was radicalized in the
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United States.
Speaker 19 (26:01):
I don't buy this whole you know, radicalization once he
got here. I must have been following this closely since
I prosecuted terrorists in the nineteen nineties. When they say,
you know, he was fully vetted, I have to ask
vetted with what you know? We've spent like twenty years
basically eviscerating the ability of the United States government to
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vet people by taking ideology off the table, taking concepts
like jihad off the table. I don't know what they
mean when they say he was fully vetted when he
got here, So he must have been radicalized once he
got here, because I don't know how we vet people, right.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
They didn't vet him, that's the answer to that question.
They didn't vet him at all, and he was radicalized
over there. And that's the whole Democrat talking point is
at all. Oh no, no, no, we vetted him and
then he was radicalized in this country. Don't fall for it.
Don't fall for that at all.
Speaker 14 (26:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
That was this was a further embarrassment, another ticking time
bomb lef by the Biden administration. Well, Donald Trump spoke
with Venezuela and President Maduro and told him his only
way out is to leave the country in exile. Wor
National correspondent Roory O'Neill has the latest on that story. Next, Well,
(27:16):
President Madua knows his time is almost up, but he
had a conversation with Donald Trump. Donald Trump wouldn't say
anything about that conversation. He only confirmed that he did
have a conversation with him. So what was said? Let's
go to Roy O'Neil, Wor National correspondent with us every
(27:38):
day at this time, Roro, I'm kind of asking you
the impossible here. If it's reading tea leaves, what do
we know what was said? Not really?
Speaker 20 (27:48):
We know that President Trump gave President Maduro an ultimatum
essentially leave now or else, but again over and over again.
President Maduro's what pushes through. Let's the threats roll off
his back. And there was a while there we hadn't
seen him for a few days, and there was speculation
that maybe he had fled the country, but instead Maduro
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returning quite publicly, having a Trump style rally, even dancing
in front of a crowd. So it seems like Maduro
is insistent on staying in power.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
You know, I heard a lot of generals talk about
the fact that we may have a fleet in the
Caribbean and we may be taking out those boats as
pressure on Maduro, that we really don't want to invade
the country and we don't want to have strikes within
the country. We want the people around Maduro to try
to talk him out, to try to push him out.
(28:40):
But it doesn't seem like you were just explaining, it
doesn't seem like that's happening.
Speaker 20 (28:44):
No, it doesn't. And whether or not there's ever enough
pressure on the people around Maduro to remove him, and
you know, sometimes the devil, you know, right, is the
other concern is that if he does leave, who fills
that vacuum? And can democracies settle in in Venezuela is
the other sort of open question. And you know, and
I'm not sure there's a lot of American support for
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some sort of strike in Venezuela, certainly not for boots
on the ground, but a military involvement in Venezuela could
be pretty complicated because again, if the end result is
for one man to leave power, that could be a
pretty complicated strike.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, we're yeah, you're exactly right, and we only hope
that at this point he's feeling a lot more pressure
than we saw when he was dancing in the streets yesterday,
and that maybe he was out of there. In the meantime,
we're now dealing with this attack on boats and the
fact that the White House is now admitting that they
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did Admiral Bradley. I guess it was ordered the second
strike on a boat that was already hit once.
Speaker 20 (29:49):
Right, and so they did get that confirmation from the
White House yesterday. But the question I think really is
separate from the Washington Post initial report that said it
was Secretary of Exeth quote kill them all? Or was
it Admiral Bradley who ordered that second strike? And I
guess there are still demands from Congress for some more
documentation about exactly how things went in those meetings. Haven't
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gotten those documents yet, but that's going to be the
focus of future hearings by the Senate and the House
that have a lot of questions about exactly who gave
those orders and when. Because we've heard from Secretary Heagsett
who already bragged about I watched it all unfold live,
That's what he was saying after when they first revealed
this September second boat strike. The Secretary was bragging that
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he watched it all unfold in real time.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I thought it was really interesting. And I listened at
an entire White House briefing yesterday, and I thought it
was really interesting that they never acknowledged or never talked
about that there were survivors. They kept saying, he took
the boat out, They took the boat out right, And
I thought that was an important distinction that they're making.
(31:00):
Are they now going to claim they didn't know there
was any survivors? And of course we wanted the boat
sunk well.
Speaker 20 (31:06):
And again this is going to be part of that
investigation because all this stuff is documented and recorded in
so many ways, and I think that I think we
will figure out exactly what had what was said, what
the TikTok was there, what was said, and who said it.
It's just going to take a bit of time to
go through this as it goes through these various hearings,
because there's a lot on the line, whether or not
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it's war crimes or actual crimes you know, being charged
here against either the Secretary or the admiral, or the
punishment that may come as a result. So they're going
to proceed very cautiously here.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's so it's so difficult for the Democrats to
claim war crimes, considering President Obama struck five hundred houses
around the world and killed full Americans. I mean, it
all depends on who is running Congress at the time
as to whether it's a war crime or not. And
for right now, the Republicans are running Congress, so I
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got a feeling that, yes, there has to be hearings.
I agree with you. War crimes I think is a
bridge too far on this. Rory O'Neil, thank you so much.
Roory O'Neil, wr national correspondent with us every day at
this time. I'll tell you though, thanks a lot, Rory,
talk to you again. It's amazing that war crimes is
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even coming up. I can't even get over that. I
can't get over the fact that the Democrats say it
and the media runs with it. Because you have to
find me the definition of a war crime and if
this fits it. Zori Mom. Donnie walked to Starbuck picket
line yesterday and says he plans on walking picket lines
throughout his administration. Well as former New York City Minority
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Council leader Joe BURRELLI, if that's a good idea after
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