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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ah, you made it to the weekend, and the weekend,
for the most part's going to be beautiful. There's a slight, little,
tiny chance of showers and thunderstorms tomorrow. Keep your eye
on that to see if it changes, if you have
any plans for Saturday Sunday. Still, Sunday still looks pretty
good in the Big Three. The Epstein files are being
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kept from us because of the people that may may
be harmed by the files. That is, according to powerful
attorney Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Panta god, I know, I know the names of people
whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them,
and that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's making huge news across the country. It's being shared
over social media, and we're proud that it happened on
the Sean Spicer podcast, which you can hear on the
iHeartRadio app and that Sean is going to be with
us at eight thirty five to talk more about what
Alan Dershowitz said. One of the most dangerous people in
the world has been arrested in Nebraska and guess hell
(01:05):
he got here. You don't have to guess, you know.
He came over the southern border along with a lot
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as this country with criminal records walking the streets to
this country. The doctor who treated President Joe Biden for
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four years had to plead the fifth in the investigation
into what was really happening in the government and who
was really running the government when Joe Biden was mentally
incapable to do so.
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Just a wonderful song. You can find it on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Now, let's talk more about the assassination attempt on President Trump,
which will be one year ago on Sunday. Don Mahalik
is the ABC News Law Enforcement contributor and a retired
senior Secret Service agent. Sarah, thank you so much for
spending time with us today.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be back
in New York.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So a year later, what do we know that's new
about that day in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Well, there were multiple investigations launched. The Secret Service at
an eternal investigation, DHS did a special investigation, and then
both Chambers of Congress did separate investigations of as well,
and they all came down around the same basic points
that there was a failure broadly of command and communication
at the Secret Service at the time. Did not establish
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enough command over the site, did not address site specific
issues like the roofline, communication interoperability between them and the locals,
did not establish clear enough instructions with the locals, did
not use enough technologies to deal with some of the
issues at the site like the roofline. The drones were
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there but weren't operational. Broadly, that the Secret Service failed
to oversee the site and lined with their protocols policies
and procedures. So Congress came out and I think they
gave them DHS forty one recommendations to work on, and
I think the Service has since then been working on
fixing a lot of those recommendations, including clarifying policies related
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to who's in charge of the site, who's responsible for
the site, who has to you know, the reporting chain
up through the supervisory ranks of the site, how they're
supposed to interact with local police, who's supposed to be
in the command center, how the radio communications are supposed
to work, and how they're supposed to mitigate potential issues
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at the site with the use of different technologies that
are now available.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What are the great failures seems to be, aside from
incompetence in not having a building covered that was in
the line of sight of the president, was arrogance because
it sounds like the local police had several meetings, including
their swap team, had meetings about that day that no
one from the Secret Service went to.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
From what the reports and the investigation says, is there
were separate meetings that were ongoing, just like there were
separate command posts at the site, which typically is not
the way the Secret Service does business. Normally, when the
Secret Service comes in and is setting up a protective site,
all the meetings that are had are owned and operated
by the Secret Service. There's usually one command poster or
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security rooms set up for a site. In this case,
for some reason, there were separate, separate meetings that were
going on that the Secret Services either weren't aware of
or were or didn't weren't holding. And the same thing
with the security room. There were two security rooms set
up where the Secret Service wasn't president one but was
president and another. Broadly speaking, the Secret Service should have
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done the better job of managing and establishing command of
the site. That didn't happen. There's a bunch of reasons
why that didn't happen. I think a bunch of them
are legacy issues with the agency which are now being
addressed hopefully. But overall, a lot of the failures that
went on at Butler are things if you look back
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in time, even as recently as the twenty fourteen Protection
Mission Panel, and the Secret Service was dealing with a
bunch of bench jumpers or issues within the agency that
were overdue to be addressed because of the expanded mission.
The agency has the personnel issues the agency has been
grappling with and trying to establish and use newer technologies
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which the agency has struggled with throughout my time there.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Don I know, there's been suspensions, but no one was
fired over this, and it was an incredible failure that
the whole world got to see. Why is that? Why
wouldn't someone be let go if they were part of
this kind of failure.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Well, as we all know, Director Chieto was forced to resign,
so she resigned. She was ultimately responsible for the site
to protection that day. The acting deputy director was recently
forced out. And you know, the government has a pretty
wonky discipline process, and from my understanding, when the incident happened,
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the agency launched an investigation. They proposed discipline to those
that they found responsible for gaps in the security plan.
There was appeals that took place, and what we heard
the other day is the end result of the appeals.
The bottom line is, if it were me, I would
have preferred it handled like most law enforcement agencies handily
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shooting incident, where right afterwards everybody is put on leave,
an investigation occurs, and during that investigation you either clear
people where you establish responsibility and then you established discipline.
I think had that happened last year, people would have
been held accountable and we wouldn't be talking about it now.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
How come we don't know a lot about Thomas Crooks
to this day? He had burner phones. Who was he
talking to?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Everybody asked that question. I don't know if that's more
conspiracy theory or what, but I know the FBI recently
reefed the President about their investigation into Thomas Crook. And
the bottom line is, from my understanding and from the
five investigations that went on that involved also looking at
Thomas Crook, is it all comes down to he was
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a mentally challenged young man who had an unusual direction
of interest towards President Trump, who came to the site,
found a gap and a security plan including one of
the gaps, was ninety minutes prior. The local police had
identified him as suspicious and communicated within their own chain,
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but didn't communicate that to the Secret Service until almost
the last minute, which goes to the communication introoperability that
the Secret Service is supposed to have at these sites
and that he managed because he was able to take
advantage of the security gaps, he was able to take
the shot at President Trump. From my understanding, all the
investigations the FBI all agree on that is who Thomas
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Crook was.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But he did have Burger phones, right, He had a.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Bunch of cell phones. I would assume that both the
FBI and a Secret Service during their investigation went through
those phones and figured out who he was talking to
and established whether it merited more investigation or not. But
there was evidence to support a broader conspiracy. But it
seems to me that all five reports have come down
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the same way, and as recently as a couple of
weeks ago, when the FBI briefed the President, which it's
his own, FBI Director Patel and Deputy Director by Gina,
they also established the same thing that there was nothing
more than what we saw at Butler as far as
Matthew Crooks and at a broader conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Don Mahaalik, ABC News law enforcement contributor and retired Senior
Service Agent Secret Service agent, thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That was really enlightening. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Have to release these files sometimes there's gonna be pressure.
Nobody believes some of the things that are that have
been said publicly, and whether is there so he's saying
it could be a conspiracy theory maybe, but the way
that comes to kill a conspiracy theory is with the truth.
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Speaker 8 (11:36):
Okay. If you do not believe Epstein committed suicide, that's insane.
You know someone took him out. If you don't believe
there's not a list out there, you're insane, because of
course there is. Democrats and Republicans are both hiding this.
You might as well believe Biden was president for four
years if you believe there's no list. I mean, it
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was just a weekend at Bernie's with him in the office. Aliight, guys,
where's my radio.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We'll see, We'll see. That was really good, though.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
I just believe in my heart that it's all smoking
mirrors ever since the Epstein file came out. Now, all
of a sudden, they're trying to distract us with the
whole Joe Biden's declining thing. I don't believe it for
a minute. They want to be honest with the people
from MAGA, the people who voted Trump in show us
the manifest from the airplane. You don't need to show
us the client list, but show us the manifest, plain
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and simple, real easy.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Hasn't the manifest been out there for a while. I
believe the manifest is already out there, and you can't
tell I at least I believe you can't tell anything
from the manifest. It doesn't mean because they took a
flight to Epstein Island that they were pedophiles. I have
a hard time believing that everybody on that list actually
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slept with underage girls. What you need is the client list.
What you need are transactions.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
That's what you need, if nothing else.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Dershwist quote us an important lesson about life in the
real world. Who cares about gaining justice for a bunch
of underage teenage models who have their innocence destroyed by Epstein.
As long as the elitist power structure remains intact and unscathed.
Nothing to see here, folks, carry on as usual.
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broke some big news on the Epstein Files on his
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seven seven nine. Well, he is the man of the hour,
and I'm so glad we're going to get the chance
to talk to Sean Spicer, Trump's first press secretary and
host of The Sean Spicer Show. And I'm sure you've
now seen it because it's all over social media, because
he had a big interview this week. You can find
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it on the iHeartRadio app and you can also see
it on YouTube. That's where you can find the Sewn
Spicer Show. And the big inner view was Alan Dershowitz.
Congratulations on that in Good Morning Sean.
Speaker 12 (20:05):
Hey, good morning Larry. And here's the dirty secret. The
actual interview with Professor Dershowitz happened before all of the
hubbub came out. So when he's talking about I've seen
the list, he means it and it's it's not in
light and that's that's what the real interesting thing is
that he's not trying to jump into current events and
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make news. This was said before the announcement came out,
that the DJ said there was nothing further, which frankly,
in my opinion, makes it even more powerful that, you know,
you can't make the case that he was trying to
influence the situation, et cetera. So this was a big
deal and it was funny because when we pushed it
out last night, I put it out on Twitter. I
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put it out on Twitter yesterday, and it's you know,
closing in on two million views. Because this is a
guy is as most people recall, who was accused, you know,
had had some accusations made by a woman that was supposedly,
you know, had been associated with Jeffrey Epstein, had been
there and after further evidence had been provided, according to
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Professor Dershowitz, see we can't in her story, but in
the process, and this is where it gets good, is
that Dershowitz because you've been involved as a lawyer and
all this says, I've seen the list. I know who's
suppressing the list. And if you go to my Twitter
feed or I've got it up on Instagram or obviously
you pointed out on the show, you on my YouTube page.
The show last night we played it. But like he
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makes it very clear, he says, and I think you've
been talking about this morning like it's being suppressed. I
know who's seen it, I know who's on it. I
know who's suppressing the list. I think this is a
very interesting thing as far as you know, for people
who care about Epstein, you know, this is obviously a
big deal for them.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It gives them more credibility the fact that it happened
before all of this, all of this controversy. Right now,
did you press him on who was on the list?
Did he did he give up anything more than what
we've been hearing.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
No, Well, if you if you listen to the whole thing,
right And that's why I think if people want to
hear it, because he says, look, i am legally I'm
not legally allowed to discuss it. I'm under X number
of confidentiality agreements and non disclosure agreements because he was
the lawyer in some of these instances. He says, I
am duty bound. I can I cannot do it. But
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he says, but I've seen it. I know who's on it.
And further, he says, you know, and this is the key.
I know who's suppressing it. And I think that's that's important.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And look, I.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Think I don't Obviously I've not seen anything. I don't
know anything. But I will tell you that if you
think about who the people are that have been rumored,
who have been around Jeffrey Epstein, President Clinton, and a
lot of other people that were cited as being on
that plane. Business leaders, you guys there in New York
know this better than anyone. I mean, you start going
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through your head and think, if you've got twenty thirty
major CEOs, I mean, like the economic impact of a
list like this could be catastrophic. And I just you know,
when you think about the depth and breadth of people
that are on this list, it's something that like a
Netflix movie could you know, be made.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Of Yeah, do you have any guesses as to who's
suppressing it? Any any number of those people?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well?
Speaker 12 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I mean, just assume for
a second that the the CEO of major corporation X
or Y is on there, and and my guess is
that there's like thirty or forty of them. And so again,
whether it's a list or or a you know, five
different I mean, I guess we use this word colloquially,
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but the bottom line is we all know that there
are people. And so whether it was kept as a
list or on a sprash piece of paper, I don't know,
but I'm saying that I think there are people that
have now gone to jail. We prosecuted Jeffrey Epsteince, so
obviously there's there.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
There had to have been.
Speaker 12 (24:01):
If you're going to prosecute somebody for these crimes, right
then there has to have been victims and and and
so therefore we know that something happened along the way. Obviously,
how it manifested itself, whether it was a list or not,
is somewhat incidental to this.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
What I want to know, though, hey Sean, what I
want to know is they promised this, and they and
they talked about this during the campaign, and Pam Bondi
a couple of times has promised this how did she
not know?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
How did this administration not know?
Speaker 12 (24:30):
So so so here's here's my guess, and and and
again it's just pure speculation. But remember you only there's
a couple of things. One. There could be a lot
of stuff that is not in the hands of d
J specifically, like in other words, there are things that
could have gone missing. H if you get my drift
between one administration and the next, sure there could be
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things that are watered down. And the other thing to
keep in mind, Larry, is this and this is something
that was pointing out to me by some lawyer friends
of mine. Let's just say hypothetic. And I'll use me
and you as the example, because it's neither one of us.
I don't think I know, I've never even met Jeffrey.
I've seen a river, so we can. But let's just
say that there's a piece of paper out there and
it says Larry Mentin Schaun Spicer on it. And if
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you release that list without any due process, without anything,
I'm going to say, hey, wait a second, I'm sorry,
my name is on a piece of paper and you're
releasing a list that's going to destroy my life, like
entirely and yet I've done nothing wrong. I don't have
a chance to to, you know, go through a legal process,
and so the only other thing that can happen is
is that you could say, however, this manifested is some point. Yeah,
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maybe it's fifteen different pieces of paper stuffed into a bag.
I don't know, But I'm just saying that when you
start to think about the consequences of when the government
does things and you realize that, hey, look, if you
were to release these twenty names without context and without
due process, you would obstensibly be ruining the lives of
individuals who may or may not have committed a crime.
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And I I am sort of as people have walked
me through this from the legal standpoint, I do again,
I feel for the victims of this whole thing. Sure,
right to me, there are there are young women that
are the real victims here that deserves some justice, but
barring them seeking legal recourse. I also see it from
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the other side, which is if you're an individual and say, hey,
I have I may or may not be on some
piece of paper because I went to a dinner or
did something that doesn't allow me to you know, the
consequences that I'll face would be cataclysmic.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I get it. I get it, and that's well said.
Thanks so much, Sewn Spicer, Trump's first Press secretary, host
of the Seawn Spicer Show. Find him on the iHeartRadio
app and YouTube. And congratulations that that is quite a
piece of sound and quite an interview. Congratulations shown you bet, Larry,
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Sure have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
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Epstein list does exist. According to Alan Dershowitz, he was
on the Sean Spicer Show, which you can find in
(27:34):
the iHeartRadio app, you said, you can also watch it
on YouTube. It's being shared everywhere on social media, so
it exists. And he says it was suppressed and he
knows that for a fact, but he can't talk more
about it because he's under a legal obligation not to
disclose it. What do you think The number to call
(27:55):
in is eight hundred three two one zero seven ten,
Bill from Man and you're on seven ten wor Good.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Morning, Bill, good morning, Thank you for taking my call. Sure,
I just want to say it would be nice if
they released the list and not go out of these
big wigs off their pedestals. And by the way, Ski
Jeffrey Epstein's first cousin, hired me for my last job.
He's a very nice guy, looked just like him, didn't
act like him, and he was later elected to mayor
of the town in New Jersey. Okay, take care and
(28:24):
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Having Oh that's it, you wrapped it up, all right,
all right, see you later, Bill. You know what's by
the way, we'll still take phone calls eight hundred and
three to two one zero seven ten, but because we
have a contest going on for the sea Crane Radio,
let me get back to some talkbacks.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
I've been giving this a lot of thought.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know what happened here.
Speaker 13 (28:45):
Donald Trump did make a deal, and he had to
because there is obviously big, big names on both parties
on that list. But you know what, I trust in
Trump and I think whatever deal he made, it's gonna
benefit America. Whatever he got out of this, it's better
(29:06):
for America, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I think a lot of the stuff wasn't there. And
if you heard, Sean Spicer agreed with that. He thinks
he thinks it might have been gone before Donald Trump
took over, that someone in the Biden administration get rid
of it. None of us really know for sure. This
is all speculation, it's all conspiracy theory, but it still
is pretty interesting. Let's go back and forth. Chris from Manhattan,
(29:30):
you're on seven to ten wo R.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Good morning, Chris, Good morning, listen.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I think it's very sad that this just shows you
can't really trust anybody but your mother. I mean, Donald
Trump knows that we know that he's lying to us,
and I mean, it must be so so bad that
list that he has to do that, because it's just
so disappointing. I mean, I still support him and I
(29:55):
but you can't trust him anymore. Something so big he'll do.
Who could make Trump do something that he doesn't want
to do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
There's some powerful people in the world.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Thanks a lot for the phone call, Chris, but I
still think the list wasn't there. I think it's embarrassing
for him. I don't think he wants to talk about it,
and that's why he attacked a reporter the other day.
The way to put up like a vulcan shield so
nobody will ask any more questions.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
If nothing else, Dershwist caught us an important lesson about
life in the real world. Who cares about gaining justice
for a bunch of underage teenage models who had their
innocence destroyed by Epstein? As long as the elitist power
structure remains intact and unscathed. Nothing to see here, folks,
(30:42):
carry on as usual.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
By the way, we're taking phone calls, we're playing talkbacks,
and you can follow us at seven ten wor on Facebook.
It's seven to ten wor on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok
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Speaker 14 (30:58):
The Epstein list exists, we all know it. Hopefully Trump
is using it to get what he needs done as
a leverage.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
That would be the.
Speaker 14 (31:06):
Only reason why this thing has just kind of disappeared.
Let's face it, it's just like the drones. They know what's
going on all of a sudden, Now the drones are gone.
Give me a break. You don't have to be a
two year old to figure this out. There's certain things
we're not allowed to know.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I got a feel, and they should just release
everything at this point, seriously, just just release the whole thing.
Redact what you need to redact with the videos, block
out or exclude what you need to exclude, give reasons
for it. But at this point this is obviously this
is not going away. Well, when we come back, I'll
(31:50):
tell you when we'll come back. Oh, first of all,
let me tell you Natalie's off today, but she's going
to be back Monday at eight fifty. When we come back.
We're close to a ceasefire in Israel, or aren't we.
We'll talk to a former member of Benjamin Netnahu's staff
after the nine o'clock
Ah, you made it to the weekend, and the weekend,
for the most part's going to be beautiful. There's a slight, little,
tiny chance of showers and thunderstorms tomorrow. Keep your eye
on that to see if it changes, if you have
any plans for Saturday Sunday. Still, Sunday still looks pretty
good in the Big Three. The Epstein files are being
(00:21):
kept from us because of the people that may may
be harmed by the files. That is, according to powerful
attorney Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Panta god, I know, I know the names of people
whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them,
and that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's making huge news across the country. It's being shared
over social media, and we're proud that it happened on
the Sean Spicer podcast, which you can hear on the
iHeartRadio app and that Sean is going to be with
us at eight thirty five to talk more about what
Alan Dershowitz said. One of the most dangerous people in
the world has been arrested in Nebraska and guess hell
(01:05):
he got here. You don't have to guess, you know.
He came over the southern border along with a lot
of other dangerous people during the four years of the
Biden administration. I know we've got least six hundred thousand
as this country with criminal records walking the streets to
this country. The doctor who treated President Joe Biden for
(01:26):
four years had to plead the fifth in the investigation
into what was really happening in the government and who
was really running the government when Joe Biden was mentally
incapable to do so.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
There's always people invested in keeping a president, even a
president who looks like you know Weekend with Bernie. They
it's in their advantage to keep him in office.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And a song by a Christian singer songwriter caught in
the Texas floods has gone viral as an anthem of
hope and in the middle of tragedy. Christian singer Lauren
Tyler of the Tylers. The Tylers are just her and
her husband. You heard her husband singing there too. It's
been shared now millions of time on social media. She's
(02:12):
talking to God in the middle of tragedy and thanking
him for his presence in the middle of tragedy.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Just a wonderful song. You can find it on social media.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Now, let's talk more about the assassination attempt on President Trump,
which will be one year ago on Sunday. Don Mahalik
is the ABC News Law Enforcement contributor and a retired
senior Secret Service agent. Sarah, thank you so much for
spending time with us today.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Thank you for having me. I'm happy to be back
in New York.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So a year later, what do we know that's new
about that day in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Well, there were multiple investigations launched. The Secret Service at
an eternal investigation, DHS did a special investigation, and then
both Chambers of Congress did separate investigations of as well,
and they all came down around the same basic points
that there was a failure broadly of command and communication
at the Secret Service at the time. Did not establish
(03:15):
enough command over the site, did not address site specific
issues like the roofline, communication interoperability between them and the locals,
did not establish clear enough instructions with the locals, did
not use enough technologies to deal with some of the
issues at the site like the roofline. The drones were
(03:39):
there but weren't operational. Broadly, that the Secret Service failed
to oversee the site and lined with their protocols policies
and procedures. So Congress came out and I think they
gave them DHS forty one recommendations to work on, and
I think the Service has since then been working on
fixing a lot of those recommendations, including clarifying policies related
(04:02):
to who's in charge of the site, who's responsible for
the site, who has to you know, the reporting chain
up through the supervisory ranks of the site, how they're
supposed to interact with local police, who's supposed to be
in the command center, how the radio communications are supposed
to work, and how they're supposed to mitigate potential issues
(04:23):
at the site with the use of different technologies that
are now available.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
What are the great failures seems to be, aside from
incompetence in not having a building covered that was in
the line of sight of the president, was arrogance because
it sounds like the local police had several meetings, including
their swap team, had meetings about that day that no
one from the Secret Service went to.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
From what the reports and the investigation says, is there
were separate meetings that were ongoing, just like there were
separate command posts at the site, which typically is not
the way the Secret Service does business. Normally, when the
Secret Service comes in and is setting up a protective site,
all the meetings that are had are owned and operated
by the Secret Service. There's usually one command poster or
(05:14):
security rooms set up for a site. In this case,
for some reason, there were separate, separate meetings that were
going on that the Secret Services either weren't aware of
or were or didn't weren't holding. And the same thing
with the security room. There were two security rooms set
up where the Secret Service wasn't president one but was
president and another. Broadly speaking, the Secret Service should have
(05:38):
done the better job of managing and establishing command of
the site. That didn't happen. There's a bunch of reasons
why that didn't happen. I think a bunch of them
are legacy issues with the agency which are now being
addressed hopefully. But overall, a lot of the failures that
went on at Butler are things if you look back
(05:58):
in time, even as recently as the twenty fourteen Protection
Mission Panel, and the Secret Service was dealing with a
bunch of bench jumpers or issues within the agency that
were overdue to be addressed because of the expanded mission.
The agency has the personnel issues the agency has been
grappling with and trying to establish and use newer technologies
(06:22):
which the agency has struggled with throughout my time there.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Don I know, there's been suspensions, but no one was
fired over this, and it was an incredible failure that
the whole world got to see. Why is that? Why
wouldn't someone be let go if they were part of
this kind of failure.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Well, as we all know, Director Chieto was forced to resign,
so she resigned. She was ultimately responsible for the site
to protection that day. The acting deputy director was recently
forced out. And you know, the government has a pretty
wonky discipline process, and from my understanding, when the incident happened,
(07:04):
the agency launched an investigation. They proposed discipline to those
that they found responsible for gaps in the security plan.
There was appeals that took place, and what we heard
the other day is the end result of the appeals.
The bottom line is, if it were me, I would
have preferred it handled like most law enforcement agencies handily
(07:25):
shooting incident, where right afterwards everybody is put on leave,
an investigation occurs, and during that investigation you either clear
people where you establish responsibility and then you established discipline.
I think had that happened last year, people would have
been held accountable and we wouldn't be talking about it now.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
How come we don't know a lot about Thomas Crooks
to this day? He had burner phones. Who was he
talking to?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Everybody asked that question. I don't know if that's more
conspiracy theory or what, but I know the FBI recently
reefed the President about their investigation into Thomas Crook. And
the bottom line is, from my understanding and from the
five investigations that went on that involved also looking at
Thomas Crook, is it all comes down to he was
(08:13):
a mentally challenged young man who had an unusual direction
of interest towards President Trump, who came to the site,
found a gap and a security plan including one of
the gaps, was ninety minutes prior. The local police had
identified him as suspicious and communicated within their own chain,
(08:33):
but didn't communicate that to the Secret Service until almost
the last minute, which goes to the communication introoperability that
the Secret Service is supposed to have at these sites
and that he managed because he was able to take
advantage of the security gaps, he was able to take
the shot at President Trump. From my understanding, all the
investigations the FBI all agree on that is who Thomas
(08:55):
Crook was.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
But he did have Burger phones, right, He had a.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Bunch of cell phones. I would assume that both the
FBI and a Secret Service during their investigation went through
those phones and figured out who he was talking to
and established whether it merited more investigation or not. But
there was evidence to support a broader conspiracy. But it
seems to me that all five reports have come down
(09:20):
the same way, and as recently as a couple of
weeks ago, when the FBI briefed the President, which it's
his own, FBI Director Patel and Deputy Director by Gina,
they also established the same thing that there was nothing
more than what we saw at Butler as far as
Matthew Crooks and at a broader conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Don Mahaalik, ABC News law enforcement contributor and retired Senior
Service Agent Secret Service agent, thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That was really enlightening. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Have to release these files sometimes there's gonna be pressure.
Nobody believes some of the things that are that have
been said publicly, and whether is there so he's saying
it could be a conspiracy theory maybe, but the way
that comes to kill a conspiracy theory is with the truth.
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Speaker 8 (11:36):
Okay. If you do not believe Epstein committed suicide, that's insane.
You know someone took him out. If you don't believe
there's not a list out there, you're insane, because of
course there is. Democrats and Republicans are both hiding this.
You might as well believe Biden was president for four
years if you believe there's no list. I mean, it
(11:57):
was just a weekend at Bernie's with him in the office. Aliight, guys,
where's my radio.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
We'll see, We'll see. That was really good, though.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
I just believe in my heart that it's all smoking
mirrors ever since the Epstein file came out. Now, all
of a sudden, they're trying to distract us with the
whole Joe Biden's declining thing. I don't believe it for
a minute. They want to be honest with the people
from MAGA, the people who voted Trump in show us
the manifest from the airplane. You don't need to show
us the client list, but show us the manifest, plain
(12:32):
and simple, real easy.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Hasn't the manifest been out there for a while. I
believe the manifest is already out there, and you can't
tell I at least I believe you can't tell anything
from the manifest. It doesn't mean because they took a
flight to Epstein Island that they were pedophiles. I have
a hard time believing that everybody on that list actually
(12:57):
slept with underage girls. What you need is the client list.
What you need are transactions.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
That's what you need, if nothing else.
Speaker 10 (13:05):
Dershwist quote us an important lesson about life in the
real world. Who cares about gaining justice for a bunch
of underage teenage models who have their innocence destroyed by Epstein.
As long as the elitist power structure remains intact and unscathed.
Nothing to see here, folks, carry on as usual.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That was pretty deep. That was good, really great comment.
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you for your talkbacks.
We're going to play more talkbacks coming up, and at
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Let's talk about Dean Kaine. By the way, Natalie is
really disappointed in Dean Kaine, very disappointed in Dean Kain.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
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Speaker 4 (14:00):
You definitely definitely had a crush.
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On Dan Kane.
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And now I don't.
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And you know, I saw my so I guess I
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That's the only thing keeping the two of you apart.
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I don't know, I just you know, in my head
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Speaker 1 (14:20):
So anyway, Dan Kane is really upset with the new
Superman movie. He's calling it a woke Superman. Dan Kane
is very conservative now. He claims that in the story
they're making it an immigrant that came from other places
and then was able to help this country, and that's
what he's saying.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Is WELLK.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But in the whole article you find out he hasn't
seen the movie. And so we do have someone coming
up that did see the movie, Joe Numyer, the movie
Minute host is coming up. Well, when is that now?
In about an hour? In about an hour from now,
he saw the movie. I can't wait for this because
I've I love Superman and I would love to see
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Carl Jackelin.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Good Morning. President Trump and First Lady Milania Trump arrive
in Kerrville, Texas today to assess the aftermath of last
week's deadly floods. The President plans to meet with first responders,
receive a briefing from local officials, and speak with families
impacted by the disaster. And Nassau County is strengthening its
animal protection laws.
Speaker 11 (15:24):
County Executive Bruce Blakeman says the Anti Animal Abuse Law
expands the definition of misdemeanor offenses involving animals. It penalizes
offenders with up to one year in jail includes fines
of up to one thousand dollars and doubles the amount
of time offenders are listed on the Animal Abuse Registry.
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False.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
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have built a skin case that looks and feels just
like human skin and even sunburns in real time, with
the goal being to bridge people's digital habits in their health.
Noting study show folks check their phones dozens of times
in high UV hours, but not they don't reapply sunscreen.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It should be false that's okay.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Then headline two. Overseas cellar gives woman's address for returns,
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on top. The cheese soaks up the brew like a
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say replaced milk and sugar.
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Again, should be false before you even read the next one. False.
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because he's making news all over the place. Sean Spicer
broke some big news on the Epstein Files on his
(18:50):
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seven seven nine. Well, he is the man of the hour,
and I'm so glad we're going to get the chance
to talk to Sean Spicer, Trump's first press secretary and
host of The Sean Spicer Show. And I'm sure you've
now seen it because it's all over social media, because
he had a big interview this week. You can find
(19:53):
it on the iHeartRadio app and you can also see
it on YouTube. That's where you can find the Sewn
Spicer Show. And the big inner view was Alan Dershowitz.
Congratulations on that in Good Morning Sean.
Speaker 12 (20:05):
Hey, good morning Larry. And here's the dirty secret. The
actual interview with Professor Dershowitz happened before all of the
hubbub came out. So when he's talking about I've seen
the list, he means it and it's it's not in
light and that's that's what the real interesting thing is
that he's not trying to jump into current events and
(20:26):
make news. This was said before the announcement came out,
that the DJ said there was nothing further, which frankly,
in my opinion, makes it even more powerful that, you know,
you can't make the case that he was trying to
influence the situation, et cetera. So this was a big
deal and it was funny because when we pushed it
out last night, I put it out on Twitter. I
(20:48):
put it out on Twitter yesterday, and it's you know,
closing in on two million views. Because this is a
guy is as most people recall, who was accused, you know,
had had some accusations made by a woman that was supposedly,
you know, had been associated with Jeffrey Epstein, had been
there and after further evidence had been provided, according to
(21:08):
Professor Dershowitz, see we can't in her story, but in
the process, and this is where it gets good, is
that Dershowitz because you've been involved as a lawyer and
all this says, I've seen the list. I know who's
suppressing the list. And if you go to my Twitter
feed or I've got it up on Instagram or obviously
you pointed out on the show, you on my YouTube page.
The show last night we played it. But like he
(21:30):
makes it very clear, he says, and I think you've
been talking about this morning like it's being suppressed. I
know who's seen it, I know who's on it. I
know who's suppressing the list. I think this is a
very interesting thing as far as you know, for people
who care about Epstein, you know, this is obviously a
big deal for them.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, and I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
It gives them more credibility the fact that it happened
before all of this, all of this controversy. Right now,
did you press him on who was on the list?
Did he did he give up anything more than what
we've been hearing.
Speaker 12 (22:04):
No, Well, if you if you listen to the whole thing,
right And that's why I think if people want to
hear it, because he says, look, i am legally I'm
not legally allowed to discuss it. I'm under X number
of confidentiality agreements and non disclosure agreements because he was
the lawyer in some of these instances. He says, I
am duty bound. I can I cannot do it. But
(22:27):
he says, but I've seen it. I know who's on it.
And further, he says, you know, and this is the key.
I know who's suppressing it. And I think that's that's important.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And look, I.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Think I don't Obviously I've not seen anything. I don't
know anything. But I will tell you that if you
think about who the people are that have been rumored,
who have been around Jeffrey Epstein, President Clinton, and a
lot of other people that were cited as being on
that plane. Business leaders, you guys there in New York
know this better than anyone. I mean, you start going
(22:58):
through your head and think, if you've got twenty thirty
major CEOs, I mean, like the economic impact of a
list like this could be catastrophic. And I just you know,
when you think about the depth and breadth of people
that are on this list, it's something that like a
Netflix movie could you know, be made.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Of Yeah, do you have any guesses as to who's
suppressing it? Any any number of those people?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Well?
Speaker 12 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I mean, just assume for
a second that the the CEO of major corporation X
or Y is on there, and and my guess is
that there's like thirty or forty of them. And so again,
whether it's a list or or a you know, five
different I mean, I guess we use this word colloquially,
(23:46):
but the bottom line is we all know that there
are people. And so whether it was kept as a
list or on a sprash piece of paper, I don't know,
but I'm saying that I think there are people that
have now gone to jail. We prosecuted Jeffrey Epsteince, so
obviously there's there.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
There had to have been.
Speaker 12 (24:01):
If you're going to prosecute somebody for these crimes, right
then there has to have been victims and and and
so therefore we know that something happened along the way. Obviously,
how it manifested itself, whether it was a list or not,
is somewhat incidental to this.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
What I want to know, though, hey Sean, what I
want to know is they promised this, and they and
they talked about this during the campaign, and Pam Bondi
a couple of times has promised this how did she
not know?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
How did this administration not know?
Speaker 12 (24:30):
So so so here's here's my guess, and and and
again it's just pure speculation. But remember you only there's
a couple of things. One. There could be a lot
of stuff that is not in the hands of d
J specifically, like in other words, there are things that
could have gone missing. H if you get my drift
between one administration and the next, sure there could be
(24:52):
things that are watered down. And the other thing to
keep in mind, Larry, is this and this is something
that was pointing out to me by some lawyer friends
of mine. Let's just say hypothetic. And I'll use me
and you as the example, because it's neither one of us.
I don't think I know, I've never even met Jeffrey.
I've seen a river, so we can. But let's just
say that there's a piece of paper out there and
it says Larry Mentin Schaun Spicer on it. And if
(25:13):
you release that list without any due process, without anything,
I'm going to say, hey, wait a second, I'm sorry,
my name is on a piece of paper and you're
releasing a list that's going to destroy my life, like
entirely and yet I've done nothing wrong. I don't have
a chance to to, you know, go through a legal process,
and so the only other thing that can happen is
is that you could say, however, this manifested is some point. Yeah,
(25:35):
maybe it's fifteen different pieces of paper stuffed into a bag.
I don't know, But I'm just saying that when you
start to think about the consequences of when the government
does things and you realize that, hey, look, if you
were to release these twenty names without context and without
due process, you would obstensibly be ruining the lives of
individuals who may or may not have committed a crime.
(25:58):
And I I am sort of as people have walked
me through this from the legal standpoint, I do again,
I feel for the victims of this whole thing. Sure,
right to me, there are there are young women that
are the real victims here that deserves some justice, but
barring them seeking legal recourse. I also see it from
(26:18):
the other side, which is if you're an individual and say, hey,
I have I may or may not be on some
piece of paper because I went to a dinner or
did something that doesn't allow me to you know, the
consequences that I'll face would be cataclysmic.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I get it. I get it, and that's well said.
Thanks so much, Sewn Spicer, Trump's first Press secretary, host
of the Seawn Spicer Show. Find him on the iHeartRadio
app and YouTube. And congratulations that that is quite a
piece of sound and quite an interview. Congratulations shown you bet, Larry,
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Sure have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
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Epstein list does exist. According to Alan Dershowitz, he was
on the Sean Spicer Show, which you can find in
(27:34):
the iHeartRadio app, you said, you can also watch it
on YouTube. It's being shared everywhere on social media, so
it exists. And he says it was suppressed and he
knows that for a fact, but he can't talk more
about it because he's under a legal obligation not to
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Bill from Man and you're on seven ten wor Good.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Morning, Bill, good morning, Thank you for taking my call. Sure,
I just want to say it would be nice if
they released the list and not go out of these
big wigs off their pedestals. And by the way, Ski
Jeffrey Epstein's first cousin, hired me for my last job.
He's a very nice guy, looked just like him, didn't
act like him, and he was later elected to mayor
of the town in New Jersey. Okay, take care and
(28:24):
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Having Oh that's it, you wrapped it up, all right,
all right, see you later, Bill. You know what's by
the way, we'll still take phone calls eight hundred and
three to two one zero seven ten, but because we
have a contest going on for the sea Crane Radio,
let me get back to some talkbacks.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
I've been giving this a lot of thought.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
You know what happened here.
Speaker 13 (28:45):
Donald Trump did make a deal, and he had to
because there is obviously big, big names on both parties
on that list. But you know what, I trust in
Trump and I think whatever deal he made, it's gonna
benefit America. Whatever he got out of this, it's better
(29:06):
for America, I promise you.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I think a lot of the stuff wasn't there. And
if you heard, Sean Spicer agreed with that. He thinks
he thinks it might have been gone before Donald Trump
took over, that someone in the Biden administration get rid
of it. None of us really know for sure. This
is all speculation, it's all conspiracy theory, but it still
is pretty interesting. Let's go back and forth. Chris from Manhattan,
(29:30):
you're on seven to ten wo R.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Good morning, Chris, Good morning, listen.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I think it's very sad that this just shows you
can't really trust anybody but your mother. I mean, Donald
Trump knows that we know that he's lying to us,
and I mean, it must be so so bad that
list that he has to do that, because it's just
so disappointing. I mean, I still support him and I
(29:55):
but you can't trust him anymore. Something so big he'll do.
Who could make Trump do something that he doesn't want
to do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
There's some powerful people in the world.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Thanks a lot for the phone call, Chris, but I
still think the list wasn't there. I think it's embarrassing
for him. I don't think he wants to talk about it,
and that's why he attacked a reporter the other day.
The way to put up like a vulcan shield so
nobody will ask any more questions.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
If nothing else, Dershwist caught us an important lesson about
life in the real world. Who cares about gaining justice
for a bunch of underage teenage models who had their
innocence destroyed by Epstein? As long as the elitist power
structure remains intact and unscathed. Nothing to see here, folks,
(30:42):
carry on as usual.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
By the way, we're taking phone calls, we're playing talkbacks,
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Speaker 14 (30:58):
The Epstein list exists, we all know it. Hopefully Trump
is using it to get what he needs done as
a leverage.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
That would be the.
Speaker 14 (31:06):
Only reason why this thing has just kind of disappeared.
Let's face it, it's just like the drones. They know what's
going on all of a sudden, Now the drones are gone.
Give me a break. You don't have to be a
two year old to figure this out. There's certain things
we're not allowed to know.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I got a feel, and they should just release
everything at this point, seriously, just just release the whole thing.
Redact what you need to redact with the videos, block
out or exclude what you need to exclude, give reasons
for it. But at this point this is obviously this
is not going away. Well, when we come back, I'll
(31:50):
tell you when we'll come back. Oh, first of all,
let me tell you Natalie's off today, but she's going
to be back Monday at eight fifty. When we come back.
We're close to a ceasefire in Israel, or aren't we.
We'll talk to a former member of Benjamin Netnahu's staff
after the nine o'clock
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