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April 10, 2025 • 24 mins
The power of District Court judges.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm very nice to spend our Thursday together at eight
oh five and welcome to the day. MENTI in the morning,
Larry's off, I'm Ken as you just heard, and you
may remember me from being on Channel seven and Channel five.
I spent decades on those two channels. I also used
to anchor on Long Island a Channel fifty five, and
I used to fill in for I still fill in

(00:20):
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Always good to be in w R these days. Though
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(00:41):
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you feel. Big three stories this morning. The markets, of course,
they impact everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
This is a big win for Trump, and it's a
big win for.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
America, and that sure is. Yesterday was a record day
all across the board. The dials surge twenty nine hundred points,
having the best single trading day in American history, erasing
more than half of the losses since last Thursday, while
the S and P five hundred posted its biggest gain
since two thousand and eight, all on President Trump's tariff reversal.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
All time record day, and hopefully it continues. I think
it should. Countries stronger than it's ever been.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And liberals were fastest shouted. Trump capitulated by announcing a
ninety day freeze on the implementation of tariff's But those
in the no say otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's all the president's decision, and that we were The
president had the a level in mind to raise the
China tariffs, and then he had the three month essentially
the three month palls in mind, and we were discussing
the exact wording.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
We'll see what happens, though right now the doubt futures
are down almost five hundred points. They haven't looked so
good all morning long. I think a lot of people
took advantage bought yesterday and they're selling off to make
a quick buck. But we'll see what happens through the
course of the day.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Next.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
New York City has a mental health crisis. The city's
mental health system certainly overwhelmed, people getting shuffled between street
subways and emergency rooms without getting the care they need.
All the crimes of late this is certainly still in
the news today, and what to do about it politics aside,
is the big question that many people will be asking.
And finally, yesterday the House passed a bill restricting district

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court judges from issuing nationwide injunctions and a move that
would vastly diminish the ability of courts to block President
Trump's policies. They named it the No Rogue Rulings Act,
and it will limit the authority of judges to provide
relief only to parties directly involved in the suit. It's
also going to bar district court judges from issuing nationwide
injunctions even when the matter has an impact across the country.

(03:12):
Eight to eight is our time, and joining us to
talk about these and other topics is Joe BURRELLI, now
Managing director of Chartwell Strategy Group and former Minority Leader
of the New York City Council. Joe, good to have
you on this morning.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Good morning. You know you mentioned your food dude work
and Natalie and I the producer. Natalie had spent the
weekend talking about the best chicken sandwich I've had in
my life, which happens to be in the state of
New Jersey, and it's in New York Red Bull Stadium.
What's called the Samita Chicken Sandwich. Hen I swear to
you it is the best chicken sandwich I've ever had

(03:47):
in my life. I had no expectation for it. I
ate it life changing.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, let me say, first of all, because I have
many friends who are Mexican, what a semita is. Semita
is the Mexican version of a sandwich. That's what it is.
A hand sandwich, is re eat food, but the Mexicans
do it really well and samitas are delicious. Oh now
you got me mouthwatering.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
That's good. Good.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
We'll talk about that off the air. Let's let's get
to the to the tariffs here, Joe. I mean, when
you see what the president did, it looks like he
has a long term plan here. But the Democrats make
it sound like he is scrambling. Why do these people
never give this man credit for becoming a billionaire. He
seems to know what to do in terms of business.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well, I love that the argument was the stock markets crashing,
Trump is the worst. Then it was Trump is telling
everyone to buy the stock market because it went up,
and now he's terrible for that. They can't make up
their mind. Look, I mean this was clear from the
beginning that the tariff policy was going to inflict some
pain on the stock market. And if you're someone who

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watches your stocks every day, you watch your brokerage account
every day, Yes, you were nervous, right, We can't. We
can't as Republicans pretend that that fear doesn't exist and
that certainty doesn't exist. But when you have policy changes
and news cycles determining the volatility of the stock market.
When the opposite happens, when the news changes and the

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cycle changes and the policies get reversed, you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
A very quick recovery.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
The market dropped significantly over the last two weeks, not
because of underlying fundamental problems, but because of the news cycles.
So I'm not concerned in the long term play. I
am concerned about about the relationship with China and how
the war, the trade war, will play out, and what
geopolitical consequences could have from that, because it is an uncertainty.

(05:39):
Right The goal is to poke the bear, and we
are poking the bear, and it's to be determined what's
gonna happen. I think the tariffs on all the other
countries will get worked out with favorable new deals, just
like Trump did in his first term with Canada and Mexico.
I think we'll see similar results, especially with the EU.
YEA have Georgia Maloney from Italy already coming over. I
think next week to Negotia Gate, some new tariffs on

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behalf of the.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You and I found it very interesting and very telling
yesterday when President Trump referred to President She in such
respectful manners He kept talking to him as he's great,
he's brilliant, he's brilliant, he's smart, he's great. He must
have said that fifty times when talking about him, and
the Chinese people are wonderful. There was so much buttering
up going on there that you had to know that

(06:23):
that was his way of sending a message, I offer
you respect, because that's the language that Chinese tend to speak.
They want respect. They don't want to be treated like
a subordinate in the negotiations process.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Look, it's a dance and we're seeing the opening steps,
and I don't think President Trump or President She wants
to step on each other's toes. Look, there is a
fundamental imbalance with trade against China. This was a marked
policy point of the first Trump administration. This is something
he ran on. So this is something I think, as

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you mentioned a minute ago, I think he does have
a long runway on this, and I think he has
a long term plan. And really the time frame we
should be looking at as politicos and political followers is
really how this plays out. You know, a year from today,
when you start getting into the midterm cycle for Congress,
that's going to be really President Trump's first real test,

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can we hold the House. I mean, we're going to
hold the Senate. That's not going to be a problem,
but can we hold the House? And if this plan
doesn't come to fruition and doesn't pay often, it's going
to be more difficult for President Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Seven ten w o R. The Voice of New York
Ken Risotto and for Larry MENTI on a Thursday morning
with Joe BURRELLI, former Minority leader of the New York
City Council, I just have to ask you's in a
sidewall I have you on what was it like having
to go into the New York City Council a room
full of socialists every day? Did you bring like two
bottles of toms with you?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well? Look, I mean, you know, start from the positive.
There are a number of very good people that I
happen to disagree with, that are decently good people that
just believe in something radical different than I do. Then
there are people that are just you know, they're just
literally trying to burn the city down, their sideshow clowns.
They're trying to to to just undermine the rule of law,

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undermine the work of law enforcement, underlie undermine the work
of the mayor because they don't like him for you know,
for some vallid reasons, but they they're trying to undermine
his legitimacy. And that kind of stuff is what really
turned me off from a lot of the members. You know,
it's not just that they didn't you know, they had
different policy ideas than me. Some of them really sought

(08:32):
to destroy, you know, the way of life and in
so much of the out of boroughs, I mean, the
breakdown the council really does oftentimes break down on the
inner urban dense cores versus the outer borough working class neighborhoods.
And you see that with the sort of the war
on cars and congestion pricing and all these traffic fines.
And now I just read from my colleague Christy Marmorano,

(08:55):
a council member from the Bronx Pannotation gave out two
thousand fines for this nonsense composting rule that no one's
even following because it's just silly. Those are the kind
of things that just drive me nuts. And that's what
so many of these radical leftists support. They just want
to penalize people who generally do the right thing living

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in the outer boroughs. Have to use their car, have
to deal with sanitation, but they want to just undermine
the police when it comes to actual hardened criminals and
terrorists and radical students, you know, overturning our city, locking
themselves into the Penn Station or rather Red Central station.
Those are all fine, unbelievable composting and queens. You're the
enemy of the people, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's well, this is the whole not seeing the forest
for the trees or intentionally doing so, and niggad that's
up for debate. But it is the mindset of the socialists.
They just and and yes, let's just call it what
it is. They're not democrats as socialists because ten years ago,
the Democrats of ten years ago would never think the
way the Democrats of New York today think.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
It just is a fact.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Quickly, want to touch on ice being allowed to return
to right, John, we got about thirty seconds. Could you
quickly wrap up with this? What do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Do it? Full speed ahead, rock and roll. These are
all people that have been not just here illegally, but
they're also accused, presumably right of committing another crime while
they're here. All right, This is not people getting loaded
up in a box car. They're going to be adjudicated
in the in the immigration court system.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah they're not. Goodie, Goodie two shoes. Joe Burrelli, Managing
director Chartwell Strategy Group and former Minority Leader of the
New York City Council. Thank you for being with us.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (10:58):
Had a very good morning too. Eight thirty nine on
a Thursday morning. Clouds and sun this morning, than cloudy
this afternoon, maybe a little rain tonight. Highs about fifty degrees.
Sean Spicer was President Trump's first press secretary. He's now
host of The Shawn Spicer Show. You could find him
on the iHeartRadio app and on YouTube. Sean Spicer, thanks
for being with us.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Good morning, Good morning, Ken, Good to be with you, well,
good to.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Be with you. Too.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, I always wonder does Sewn Spicer ever get
a little jealous of Caroline Lovitt Because you paved the
way You and Sarah Hugubby Sanders got screamed at. You
kind of broke the mold of how to be a
press secretary for President Trump.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
You know, it's funny you used that word. Ken.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I spoke to the President probably a couple of weeks ago,
and you know, as he does in his classic style,
he said, so, how do you think it's going? And
I said, sir, I got to admit I'm a bit jealous,
and he started laughing, and you know, I just because
look these guys I took.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm funny you mentioned Sarah as well.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I had a conversation with her a couple of weeks back,
and I was relaying the same conversation to her and
she said, I know. She said, we had to be
the ones that broke the ice, and and you know,
part of it was getting to know him, part of
it was getting to know how he wanted people to interact.
And we had no idea how hostile the environment was
going to be. You know it, I'm glad they're doing it.

(12:16):
I think Caroline is doing a phenomenal job. She really
has for a woman of her age, you know, because
even the President has said it, so I don't feel
bad saying it. But she just shows such a level
of maturity and command a presence. So it's great to
see someone I think back when I go twenty seven.
The only thing, you know, I'm not really well, let's

(12:37):
not get too analogies, but let's just say that I
don't think I could have come close to doing the
job the way she is.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, all I can say is if you or Sarah
had walked out with a binder and had to read
the answers to people like the previous Press secretary did,
you wouldn't have lasted a day. So it's it's you know,
it's just amazing the kind of a slack that she
was cut versus the you had to endure when you
were there.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
But I want to know, well, it's a good, real
quick it's a great point you're bringing up pen And
the funny thing is she came from them. Remember she
was an MSNBC right person. Craine Jumpierre was sak. I
think I had been at CNN if I'm not mistaken. I
mean so that these folks, or it might have been
rolloverse I can't remember, but it doesn't matter. But the
bottom line is they were of them, And I think
that does make a difference, is that they felt like, oh,

(13:23):
you're one of us, You've been with us, you're a friend,
our colleague. And that's a vastly different place than where
Sarah and I had both been just political operatives.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
You know that they still viewed as the opposition. Yeah,
you just you were viewed.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
You were treated with such a lack of respect. There
was just no decorum like Ava La and the others
who would come come into the press room and just
treat you all with such disdain. And it was really unnerving,
even as a viewer to watch that, and I just felt,
I don't care where one's political leaning was, to see
people treating representatives of the president with that kind of

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respect was really unnerving. I wanted to ask you about that.
The House just recently passed HR fifteen twenty six, which
will limit district court judges authority like Boseburg to issue
orders blocking presidential policies nationwide. Are you kind of surprised,
first off, that it's gotten to this point that you
didn't have a Chief Justice Roberts coming in and saying, hey,

(14:22):
everybody's stay in your lane.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
It's interesting because as a non lawyer, I had Alan
Derschwitz on my podcast a couple of weeks back, and
so I'm the you search it on YouTube, it's you
to find it. And I asked them the same question
because I thought, why are district judges in Rhode Island
or Oregon deciding something that goes for the nation. I mean,
because if you're a district judge, right, I mean it's
sort of like, you know, the same reason that ordinances

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in my city here of Alexandria, Virginia don't pertain to
New York City or you know, Boston, Massachusetts. So I
found it odd as a non lawyer to understand that.
And the answer I got back from from like someone
who's esteemed as Alan was yeah, shouldn't be so, I think.
And what he said to me was, you know that
it's going to take the house to go in and

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be very clear about the scope and the nature of
what district courts can do. So I'm glad it's happening
because I agreed this idea of like judge shopping and
you see it now with a lot.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Of President Trump's executive orders.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Literally there's a court in California, Courton, Rhode Island that
are changing the course of federal law that affects, you know,
the country, the world.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
You could argue in terms of some of these newportations.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
So I'm with you, like I kind of just was shruggling,
going I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I just it didn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
And I had the same question you did, And I'm
glad at least the House is taking action because it
just doesn't on its face, it doesn't make sense a
district court should decide for that jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
In fact, some would argue I had a.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Guy named Josh Hammeron who's a brilliant attorney with the
Article of three project.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
He said, if you really want to interpret the law correctly.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
You would argue that if you know, I sue you,
and you sue me, and are just a court rules
that that ruling pertains to the two of us, doesn't
bind others, right, there's a reason that And so you
can actually take that much, you know, lower down. So
I actually am I think you're asking a phenomenal question
that is on the minds of a lot of people

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these days because they're trying to figure out why am
I Why is this district judge, you know, having an
impact on everything that's not pertaining to where they reside
or you know.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I'm just I'm just kind of surprised that, like
Chief Justice Roberts as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
these district judges work in essence for the Supreme Court.
They are to take off the lower cases, off off
their agenda so that they can concentrate on larger cases.
But ultimately, and before the circuit courts were established, everything
went to the Supreme Court, So Chief Justice Roberts is

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their boss and can in essence say hey, you know what,
knock it off. This isn't the way to go. But
I just find it strange. It almost strikes me as
he's not exactly a pro Trump kind of guy, and
he likes to hang out with the Washington elite. I
know he's a great juris jurist, don't get me wrong,
but at the same time, it kind of strikes me
that that might be the case.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, I don't know how much that said.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
I think what I hear a lot is that he
doesn't want to be seen like you know, small py politics,
that he doesn't want to see himself as getting the
court intervening in legislative and policy matters. Although I would
argue that what we're talking about right now is directly
a court issue. Talking about the scope of of jurisdiction

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is clearly and I actually think more to your point,
I would want him to say to these district court judges,
I think you should start making it clear that your
rulings only pertain to your jurisdiction, right, and to say, hey,
if you guys want so, like, if you get a
ruling in Rhode Island, it sticks to Rhode Island. If
you get one in the Eastern District of Virginia, it

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applies to the Eastern District of Virginia.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Right, We'll stop.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
And that way that if the pliniff wants to argue
that it should have a broader intent, that they can't
just judge shop that they actually have to think through
the strategy a little bit more, because it really is
a big waste the way it is being handled.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Man, clearly it is. We got Look, we got about
thirty seconds left, so I'm sorry to give you show
a little time on this, but Treasury Secretary Bess And
says that Trump didn't just raise tariffs, he set a
trap and China walked right into it. Do you think
there will be a resolution with China?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
I hope so, because this is not I mean, I'm
not kidding when I say this. Yesterday I went out
and I had gotten an email early in the week
that I was eligible for a new iPhone. I said,
I might as well get it now, because you never know.
I literally would like, I'm not sure I have an
extra grand right now, but I might as well do this.
And yeah, and so you know, I hope that this
is But here's my prediction. I believe that what will

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happen is they will announce some kind of summit between
Trump and She in July. That's just I'm picking that,
but I think that's the sweet spot, and that they
will say we're going to pause terrace until then.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Let's hope, all right. Sean Spice, or Trump's first press secretary,
host of The Shawn Spicer Show. Find him on the
iHeartRadio app on YouTube. Thank you so much for being
on this morning you.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Get I will just say that you've done a phenomenal
job today, Like this is you. You've taken over the airways.
I think New York has been changed because of your
presence today, and I would I'd be very worried if
I were the You know, Larry's going to be concerned
about coming back now, Laura, Laurie.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Has nothing to worry about.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Trust man, Natalie.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Natalie's going to sign off on your ship this morning,
and it will make it very clear.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Good job, excellent all around, Sean.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
My mother, my mother called you, I know she did.
Thank you, Thank you so much, my friend, have a
good day. Are we getting closer to having a casino
in Manhattan? And how do New Yorkers feel about it?
W r's Natalie Migliori gets the Beat on the Street Next.
Now it's seventen w oars Beat on the Street with

(19:48):
Natalie Migliori thirteen Red Let it Ride. Are we getting
closer to having a casino in Manhattan? And how do
New Yorkers feel about it? W r's Natalie Migliori gets
the Beat on the Street. Marnetine Natalie, good.

Speaker 7 (20:02):
Morning, Ken Well, I'll tell you one things. Developers are
one step closer to getting that casino in Hudson Yards,
but it still has a long way to go. The
city Planning Commission approved zoning changes to make a casino
more realistic for related companies Oxford Properties Group and Win Resource.
Those would be the guys building their casino. Now, residents

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and visitors in Hudsting Yards are worried about maintaining the
quality of the neighborhood.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
I kind of like the vibe of Hudson Yards. You know,
it's kind of a multi use district. I think it
attracts like a cross section of people. My history with
casinos is they start off will but over time they
degrade the communities they sit in.

Speaker 9 (20:44):
If you understand gambling and understand the casino business, it
brings a lot of different riff raft okay, and this
is the very family, open community. I have no problem
with casinos, have no problem with people gambling and what
they want to do. But it's a bad mix. I
think it just brings rudkiss, chaos, and not always the
right people in the environment.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Now, the Planning Commission only approved those zoning changes at
the Western Rail Site, which sits between eleventh and twelfth
Avenues running across thirtieth to thirty third streets. Developers of
The project, dubbed Hudson Yards West, still need to go
through New York State's licensing process.

Speaker 9 (21:25):
I think you have to allow the zoning to happen
because it can be zoned because the people that have
to stand up for the rights to have it here.
So it's still just got to go through a lot
of processes to be okay by the community itself. So
we'll see what happens.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
I think it's a reflection on a bigger scale of
like what's going on in our complete society, like just
across the nation of just looking at dollar signs versus
who's going to be affected day to day life and
like really just the quality of living.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
Now, the state is only approving three casino licenses for
Downstall New York, so that's between New York City, Long Island,
and Westchester, and that should come through by the end
of the year. Those final decisions. Despite renderings that show
the finish complex that includes a hotel, housing units and
makes way for green space, oh and a casino, residents

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still have concerns.

Speaker 10 (22:20):
I mean, we already have plenty of construction going on
around here. There's always something going on, so I think
that it might make it a little worse, not worse.
This is a pretty good area. But I think it'll
just make it busier and that'll be not so good
for the ten Instead of around here.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
I'm thinking of traffic. I'm thinking of how late it
will run, Will it be twenty four hours? Will it
give like a Vegas feel and like everything that that brings,
you know, along with it.

Speaker 10 (22:47):
I wouldn't place a casino here. That's not something that
would come to mind.

Speaker 9 (22:50):
You know, it's more like upscale, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
Community leaders have protested putting a casino in Hudson Yards,
but several labored unions have spoken up in favor. Of course,
they'll get the work, and the NCAA stands to make
nearly three billion dollars from rental payments and sales tax
if this casino goes up. However, the NCAA will make
money off of any downstay casino. And even though developers

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are promising more than two hundred million dollars in community
benefits in us and Yards, residents aren't sold.

Speaker 10 (23:22):
It's pretty busy. This is a pretty terracey area. A
lot of people come and visit to see the edge,
the high line. You know what I mean, there's a
lot of sight seeing around here, so I feel like
it is pretty busy. Sundays are but for the most
part Monday through Saturday, yes, it is very busy around here.

Speaker 9 (23:39):
Well, it's an economic benefit, no doubt about it for
the people around it. It brings a lot of people
to it. But at the same time, you got to
think about the community. There's other places this this casino
can go that keeps it separated from the community and
refraft that happens with the gambling business, the casino business.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
But can you know, we have to see what happens,
especially you know, it's a competitive licensing process, so it's
even though it's approved, doesn't mean that a casino is
going to be going there, right.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I always get concerned that you might get the nefarious
types who are involved in the casino industry. You know,
it's happened before, It's happened in other cities. You just
want to make sure that if there is a casino
in town, that it's legitimate, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
I think a lot of people catch.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Your dress ken.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's good to make money and all. I mean, like
when I lived in South Florida, we at casinos everywhere
because we had Native American land, et cetera. But we
just want it to be good for the city. All right,
Thank you so much, Natalie, and you will be back
tomorrow morning at a fifty. Look forward to it again.

Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yes, I'll talk to you that have a great day.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
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both wonder and outrage. Find out what bioethicist doctor Arthur
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