January 29, 2025 • 7 mins
Mendte in the Morning speaks with Jeffrey Lichtman about the upcoming sentencing of Bob Menendez. Jeffrey talks about the arguments being made on both sides and what the judge may ultimately rule in the case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now let's talk about many issues with Jeffrey Lickman, high
profile criminal defense attorney, host of Beyond the Legal Limit
podcast found on the iHeartRadio A. Jeffrey, good to talk
to you again.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Larry sure, absolutely anytime. Listen. Let's start with Bob Menendez.
He's being sentenced today. I know this is like a
parent just pitching underhand to his kid to get a hit,
but you go ahead, take it away. Bob Menendez being sentenced.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, you know, look, his lawyers are saying, you got
to give him a break. You can't put him in jail.
They're asking for a probationary sentence. He's done so much good.
But this is not his first entanglement with the law.
If you recall, he had an acquittal a few years ago.
He had other charges that were dismissed about nine years ago.
(00:51):
I mean, this is a guy that's been involved in
a legal activity for a long time. And you know
it's not like you know, he stole a few bucks.
This is a guy that was acting on behalf of
a foreign country, a country that allowed Muslim terrorists and
weapons to get into Gaza, which killed Americans on October seventh,
I'm talking about Egypt. You know, the gold bars, the
(01:14):
cash stuffed in pockets. The government is asking for fifteen years,
which is a little bit unusual because it's higher than
what the Probation Department is asking for, and they're an
objective middle ground part of the process that prepares a
report for the judge, and they recommended twelve. What I suspect,
he's seventy one years old. He's got to get some
(01:37):
jail time, at least for general deterrence purposes. There's no
reason to sentence him for specific deterrence because he's never
going to be back in the job and the governments
that he had before. But it has to be shown
to the rest of the politicians in America that if
you're going to steal, if you're going to hurt our country,
you need to perhaps die in jail. I suspect that
(01:58):
he gets ten years, and I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, everything you said is absolutely true about him. He
has been corrupt for a long long time. He was
just able to skate on it for a long time.
And as you said, he missed prosecution before by one juror.
The thing I hated the most about him, and maybe
this is small compared to everything else. Is when he
(02:21):
tried to blame his wife, who was suffering with breast
cancer for the entire thing, pointed the finger over and
tried to blame her. That was just such a disgusting move.
Just man up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It was, And I actually thought about that this morning, Larry.
It's funny that that's the thing you brought up. I
was thinking about this just a few minutes ago that
I suspect at the beginning, when he and his wife
were indicted together, if he had said to the government, look,
I will plead guilty. I will spare you the expense
of a trial if you drop the charges against my wife.
(02:56):
I can tell you this Southern District of New York
one hundred percent guarantee. They would have dropped the charges
against his wife. They would have convicted him, and he
would have ended up getting a lower sentence that he's
getting now. But he insisted upon pushing them to a trial.
He lost this time. Finally, the jury wasn't blinded by
the celebrity of his office. And now his wife, who's
(03:18):
got cancer and by all accounts is a complete imbecile,
she's going to perhaps a die in prison as well.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
From this, I want to talk about the ICE raids
as well. And here's the thing that I have been
fascinated by. The Democrats from in the beginning. Came out strong,
some still are, but most of them have been muted.
And the reason for that, I believe is that when
ICE showed up at O'Hare Airport, they were applauded. When
they had these major raids in the Bronx, the residents
(03:46):
came out and said, thank god, this is the reason
Donald Trump was elected, and some of the Democrats are
smart enough to just shut up about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Now, well seventy one percent of Americans believe at the
ICE rays, I call them the nice raids, that they
should be happening and these illegals should be removed. Of Course,
the only place where politicians are not applauding it is
of course, in New York City, where they're agast at
the watching these gang bangers and these drug kingpins being
(04:19):
violently pulled out of their safe spots and sent back
to the dumps that they came from. That the raids
are not targeting children, They're not targeting these regular people
that came here to pick avocados. Do you pick avocados?
I think it might okay, I wasn't sure what you
(04:39):
do with avocados, but it's something that they're doing with them.
They're going after just the criminals, the ones that are
wanted in their home countries, the ones where those countries,
those third world dumps. They opened up the prisons and
sent them to America. The crazy thing is that the
Democrats under Joe Biden's administration welcomed them in and made
no effort to remove them. So of course this is
(05:02):
a bipartisan issue where people want to get them out
and make their their community safer. Seventy one percent, as
I said, agree with this. The other twenty nine percent
are probably relatives of all the criminals. There's so many
hundreds of they're finding Muslim terrorists. No, keep them in here.
They're good people. They're going to pick the lettuce. Do
you pick lettuce at least? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whatever you take lettice as well? Yeah, you're not a farmer,
I take it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, clearly, not clearly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, No, I agree with you one thousand percent. Also
you left out. Yeah, it's keeping the streets safer, but
also the amount of money that has been spent on
the keep of these illegals in New York and Chicago
all across the country goes well into the hundreds of
billions at this point, so there is a whole lot
(05:52):
of money to be saved as well. I worry about
the next step and what happens then, because you can
also already know what the media is going to do
with this once they start taking people out that aren't criminals,
that have not been convicted, that don't have orders against them,
and that's going to happen according to Tom Homan. Do
(06:13):
you are you concerned at the blowback over that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm already a little bit concerned, And I'll tell you why.
I read today that Trump is now going after immigrants,
people that are here on visas that are not citizens,
that have been anti Semitic, that has taken part in
these Jahatis rallies. But he's saying that he's only going
to remove the ones that have been convicted of crimes.
While they're doing this, I can tell you the problem
(06:39):
is that at Columbia, where these rancid Jahatis from these
Muslim terrorist states are coming and they're carrying their Nazi flags,
their Hamas flags, and they're screaming death to America, Death
to Jews. The New York City Police are arresting a
tiny percentage of them, I'm talking like a fraction, and
of those, almost one of them are being convicted. So
(07:01):
what is he going to remove four people? He should
have gone in on day one, Larry, on day one,
because this is an important thing, stormed Columbia and gone
to one of these rallies and simply taken every one
of them that is not a citizen and sent them
back to whatever disgusting Muslim terrorist states that they came from,
and not wait for a conviction. He can do that,
(07:23):
and he should do that. But the fact that he's
only going after ones that are convicted makes me think
that perhaps Trump does not have the stomach for this
as he said that he has, and that's freaking me out,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Jeffrey Lickman, high profile criminal defense attorney, host of Beyond
the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app. It
was great to talk to you. Come back again soon,
Thank you, Larry,
Now let's talk about many issues with Jeffrey Lickman, high
profile criminal defense attorney, host of Beyond the Legal Limit
podcast found on the iHeartRadio A. Jeffrey, good to talk
to you again.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Larry sure, absolutely anytime. Listen. Let's start with Bob Menendez.
He's being sentenced today. I know this is like a
parent just pitching underhand to his kid to get a hit,
but you go ahead, take it away. Bob Menendez being sentenced.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, you know, look, his lawyers are saying, you got
to give him a break. You can't put him in jail.
They're asking for a probationary sentence. He's done so much good.
But this is not his first entanglement with the law.
If you recall, he had an acquittal a few years ago.
He had other charges that were dismissed about nine years ago.
(00:51):
I mean, this is a guy that's been involved in
a legal activity for a long time. And you know
it's not like you know, he stole a few bucks.
This is a guy that was acting on behalf of
a foreign country, a country that allowed Muslim terrorists and
weapons to get into Gaza, which killed Americans on October seventh,
I'm talking about Egypt. You know, the gold bars, the
(01:14):
cash stuffed in pockets. The government is asking for fifteen years,
which is a little bit unusual because it's higher than
what the Probation Department is asking for, and they're an
objective middle ground part of the process that prepares a
report for the judge, and they recommended twelve. What I suspect,
he's seventy one years old. He's got to get some
(01:37):
jail time, at least for general deterrence purposes. There's no
reason to sentence him for specific deterrence because he's never
going to be back in the job and the governments
that he had before. But it has to be shown
to the rest of the politicians in America that if
you're going to steal, if you're going to hurt our country,
you need to perhaps die in jail. I suspect that
(01:58):
he gets ten years, and I think it's well deserved.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, everything you said is absolutely true about him. He
has been corrupt for a long long time. He was
just able to skate on it for a long time.
And as you said, he missed prosecution before by one juror.
The thing I hated the most about him, and maybe
this is small compared to everything else. Is when he
(02:21):
tried to blame his wife, who was suffering with breast
cancer for the entire thing, pointed the finger over and
tried to blame her. That was just such a disgusting move.
Just man up.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It was, And I actually thought about that this morning, Larry.
It's funny that that's the thing you brought up. I
was thinking about this just a few minutes ago that
I suspect at the beginning, when he and his wife
were indicted together, if he had said to the government, look,
I will plead guilty. I will spare you the expense
of a trial if you drop the charges against my wife.
(02:56):
I can tell you this Southern District of New York
one hundred percent guarantee. They would have dropped the charges
against his wife. They would have convicted him, and he
would have ended up getting a lower sentence that he's
getting now. But he insisted upon pushing them to a trial.
He lost this time. Finally, the jury wasn't blinded by
the celebrity of his office. And now his wife, who's
(03:18):
got cancer and by all accounts is a complete imbecile,
she's going to perhaps a die in prison as well.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
From this, I want to talk about the ICE raids
as well. And here's the thing that I have been
fascinated by. The Democrats from in the beginning. Came out strong,
some still are, but most of them have been muted.
And the reason for that, I believe is that when
ICE showed up at O'Hare Airport, they were applauded. When
they had these major raids in the Bronx, the residents
(03:46):
came out and said, thank god, this is the reason
Donald Trump was elected, and some of the Democrats are
smart enough to just shut up about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Now, well seventy one percent of Americans believe at the
ICE rays, I call them the nice raids, that they
should be happening and these illegals should be removed. Of Course,
the only place where politicians are not applauding it is
of course, in New York City, where they're agast at
the watching these gang bangers and these drug kingpins being
(04:19):
violently pulled out of their safe spots and sent back
to the dumps that they came from. That the raids
are not targeting children, They're not targeting these regular people
that came here to pick avocados. Do you pick avocados?
I think it might okay, I wasn't sure what you
(04:39):
do with avocados, but it's something that they're doing with them.
They're going after just the criminals, the ones that are
wanted in their home countries, the ones where those countries,
those third world dumps. They opened up the prisons and
sent them to America. The crazy thing is that the
Democrats under Joe Biden's administration welcomed them in and made
no effort to remove them. So of course this is
(05:02):
a bipartisan issue where people want to get them out
and make their their community safer. Seventy one percent, as
I said, agree with this. The other twenty nine percent
are probably relatives of all the criminals. There's so many
hundreds of they're finding Muslim terrorists. No, keep them in here.
They're good people. They're going to pick the lettuce. Do
you pick lettuce at least? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whatever you take lettice as well? Yeah, you're not a farmer,
I take it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
No, clearly, not clearly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, No, I agree with you one thousand percent. Also
you left out. Yeah, it's keeping the streets safer, but
also the amount of money that has been spent on
the keep of these illegals in New York and Chicago
all across the country goes well into the hundreds of
billions at this point, so there is a whole lot
(05:52):
of money to be saved as well. I worry about
the next step and what happens then, because you can
also already know what the media is going to do
with this once they start taking people out that aren't criminals,
that have not been convicted, that don't have orders against them,
and that's going to happen according to Tom Homan. Do
(06:13):
you are you concerned at the blowback over that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm already a little bit concerned, And I'll tell you why.
I read today that Trump is now going after immigrants,
people that are here on visas that are not citizens,
that have been anti Semitic, that has taken part in
these Jahatis rallies. But he's saying that he's only going
to remove the ones that have been convicted of crimes.
While they're doing this, I can tell you the problem
(06:39):
is that at Columbia, where these rancid Jahatis from these
Muslim terrorist states are coming and they're carrying their Nazi flags,
their Hamas flags, and they're screaming death to America, Death
to Jews. The New York City Police are arresting a
tiny percentage of them, I'm talking like a fraction, and
of those, almost one of them are being convicted. So
(07:01):
what is he going to remove four people? He should
have gone in on day one, Larry, on day one,
because this is an important thing, stormed Columbia and gone
to one of these rallies and simply taken every one
of them that is not a citizen and sent them
back to whatever disgusting Muslim terrorist states that they came from,
and not wait for a conviction. He can do that,
(07:23):
and he should do that. But the fact that he's
only going after ones that are convicted makes me think
that perhaps Trump does not have the stomach for this
as he said that he has, and that's freaking me out,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Jeffrey Lickman, high profile criminal defense attorney, host of Beyond
the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app. It
was great to talk to you. Come back again soon,
Thank you, Larry,
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