July 23, 2025 • 7 mins
Jeffrey Lichtman joins Mendte in the Morning to talk about the accusations on Barack Obama over treason and collusion against the Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now. Jeffrey Lickman, high profile criminal defense attorney, host
of Beyond the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app.
Were you a big Ozzy Osbourne fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I wasn't a huge I'm a huge music fan. I
wasn't a huge Ozzy Osbourne fan. I did like Black Savage. Certainly,
it's a huge loss because there really is no heavy
metal without Ozzy Osbourne. I mean there's a handful of
bands and artists that really without them there could be
no heavy metal and goes Velvet Underground even led Zeppelin
(00:32):
and Ozzy Osbourne was right up there.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I had so many things I didn't expect to
ask you about Ozzy Osbourne. It just happened to be
the last thing I was talking about. But there's so
many things that you could weigh in on I know
that are important to you. Let me start with Alena Haba.
She you warned about her in the very beginning, and
it sounds like she's going to be out. There's a
tug in war going on back and forth. But what
(00:56):
was really interesting is that the Senate never called for
confirmation hearing, so it seems like her getting in permanently
was always in Jeopardy, but you warned us early on.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, I mean, look, she's obviously not up for the job.
She's a figurehead, she's a political appointee. I mean, the
only thing she cared about is she said at the
beginning was to go after Democrats. And look, you know
that's that's Trump's prerogative to put her in. But legally,
the liberal judges a handful that voted to Booter did
just that. I mean, I understand that Trump wants somebody
(01:32):
that is loyal to him in this job, but it
would probably have made more sense to have someone who
actually tried a criminal case one time in her life.
And it's just, you know, Trump sort of walked into
a wall in this one. He could probably get around
it and appoint her special US attorney, as he did
with the US attorney in the Northern District of New
(01:52):
York and Albany. He did that, but you know, it's
at some point you start to get a little cringey
as someone who's a Republican like me, but I think
I'm objective on these matters. Trump sort of takes the law,
he pardons who he wants, you know, huge drug dealers,
and complains about the cartels in Mexico. You know, stuff
(02:14):
like that that's happening. That's a little bit weird. The
stuff with Jelaine Maxwell that you hear that now Todd
Blanche is going to meet with her. I mean, look,
the woman had her trial four years ago, she was convicted.
There's really nothing that she can help with in terms
of making cases because the statute of limitations have long
been over. So what is the point of meeting with
(02:35):
her and getting information. Well, you know, the point, Larry,
is to try to throw off people from demanding that
the Epstein, the victim List, you know, or the purp
list get released. I mean, some of it sort of
as I said, cringey, because you can see what he's doing.
I can't say. Look, as a defense lawyer, it's tough
(02:55):
for me to say that I agree with him manipulating
the law in such a really kind of a pandering,
you know, disgusting manner. But when I look at how
the Democrats have done it, when I look at Barack Obama,
when I look at the activist judges that have stopped
everything Trump's trying to do, sometimes you got to hold
your nose and say, look, do what you gotta do.
And that's kind of how I come out on this.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Do you think he's doing what he got to do
with the Obama files that he released on Friday? I
guess Telsea Gabbart actually released them, but I'm sure he
knew about them. They are damning. I mean, I'm not
sure it rises to the level of treason, new or conspiracy,
but they they are damning. They were trying to undermine
the Trump administration before he took over, and they did
(03:38):
lie to him, not.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Even a question. I mean, he's got to expose this.
But keep in mind, Larry, you've got, you know what,
three and a half years left. Who knows if we're
ever going to get a chance again. The both of
us know, and I'm sure all of your audience knows.
Obama's not getting criminally charged. No one's going to get
criminally charged by this. We've got sort of bigger fish
to fry with what's going on in the country. You've
(04:01):
got Mahmud Khalil, an open Hamas supporter, is roaming around
Congress and is being boosted up by Democrats, and you
get that piece of garbage out of there. Send them
back to jihad land where he's from. You know, whatever
you have to do, arrest him again. You can't let
this guy become a martyr, which is what he wants
(04:22):
to become. I mean, Bernie Sanders yesterday said that he
was imprisoned Khalil for a simply First Amendment views. Well,
I guess aligning with hamas an internationally recognized terrorist organization
and harassing Jewish students on campus and getting Columbia students
to destroy the campus is that First Amendment protection? Of
(04:43):
course not. These are the types of things Trump has
to do. He's trying. I mean, listen, God bless the guy.
He's certainly trying. But we really don't have time to
mess around this Maxwell stuff. Who cares? I mean really,
it's like, just move on, dude. If you don't want
to expose any more of the Epstein stuff, I doubt
I don't really care. I consider it over. I almost
represented Epstein and I met with him. I can tell you,
(05:06):
and I know your audience doesn't want to hear this.
I strongly believe that he killed himself because the guy
never really wanted to talk about his case, and he
did change his will right before he died. So you know,
you figure that out.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I would love to get your take on the Aton
Paid's case and the fact that the appellate court is saying,
either retry this or we're throwing it out. You, being
a criminal defense attorney, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You know, it was a horrible, obviously murder, though I
don't think the body was ever found. They grabbed this
guy and he made a confession without being given his
miranda rights, and then after it was illegally gotten from him,
later they said well, look now we'll read you your
miranda rights and will you say the same thing you
(05:57):
said before? And he did use that second confession, and
when the jury asked about it, the judge said, well, yeah,
that's fine, you can use that. It's just not the law.
There was no forensic evidence against this guy. As much
as it pains me to say, and I think anybody
else who cares about children and cares about law and order,
it was a lousy conviction. The first trial that the
(06:20):
guy had it was a hung jury. It was nearly
a hung jury. And the second one, you know, I
don't know that they have the right guy. And if
that's the case, you know you got to toss it out.
I don't think they'll ever try the case again, though.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yes, real quickly, and I hope he can do it quickly.
What do you think of Columbia University now suspending and
expelling seventy students.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, it's a small start. When you start getting
rid of the Jihadis professors, then maybe you'll convince me
they're serious. There's a reason why one third of young
people have positive thoughts about socialism and communism. It's because
of the slop, the garbage jihadist professors that are teaching
students at Columbia and many there's schools across America.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, it's a start. Jeffrey Lichtman, high profile defense attorney.
He also has a podcast that you should certainly listen to,
Beyond the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app.
Thanks a lot, Jeffrey, Thank you, Larry
Right now. Jeffrey Lickman, high profile criminal defense attorney, host
of Beyond the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app.
Were you a big Ozzy Osbourne fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I wasn't a huge I'm a huge music fan. I
wasn't a huge Ozzy Osbourne fan. I did like Black Savage. Certainly,
it's a huge loss because there really is no heavy
metal without Ozzy Osbourne. I mean there's a handful of
bands and artists that really without them there could be
no heavy metal and goes Velvet Underground even led Zeppelin
(00:32):
and Ozzy Osbourne was right up there.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I had so many things I didn't expect to
ask you about Ozzy Osbourne. It just happened to be
the last thing I was talking about. But there's so
many things that you could weigh in on I know
that are important to you. Let me start with Alena Haba.
She you warned about her in the very beginning, and
it sounds like she's going to be out. There's a
tug in war going on back and forth. But what
(00:56):
was really interesting is that the Senate never called for
confirmation hearing, so it seems like her getting in permanently
was always in Jeopardy, but you warned us early on.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, I mean, look, she's obviously not up for the job.
She's a figurehead, she's a political appointee. I mean, the
only thing she cared about is she said at the
beginning was to go after Democrats. And look, you know
that's that's Trump's prerogative to put her in. But legally,
the liberal judges a handful that voted to Booter did
just that. I mean, I understand that Trump wants somebody
(01:32):
that is loyal to him in this job, but it
would probably have made more sense to have someone who
actually tried a criminal case one time in her life.
And it's just, you know, Trump sort of walked into
a wall in this one. He could probably get around
it and appoint her special US attorney, as he did
with the US attorney in the Northern District of New
(01:52):
York and Albany. He did that, but you know, it's
at some point you start to get a little cringey
as someone who's a Republican like me, but I think
I'm objective on these matters. Trump sort of takes the law,
he pardons who he wants, you know, huge drug dealers,
and complains about the cartels in Mexico. You know, stuff
(02:14):
like that that's happening. That's a little bit weird. The
stuff with Jelaine Maxwell that you hear that now Todd
Blanche is going to meet with her. I mean, look,
the woman had her trial four years ago, she was convicted.
There's really nothing that she can help with in terms
of making cases because the statute of limitations have long
been over. So what is the point of meeting with
(02:35):
her and getting information. Well, you know, the point, Larry,
is to try to throw off people from demanding that
the Epstein, the victim List, you know, or the purp
list get released. I mean, some of it sort of
as I said, cringey, because you can see what he's doing.
I can't say. Look, as a defense lawyer, it's tough
(02:55):
for me to say that I agree with him manipulating
the law in such a really kind of a pandering,
you know, disgusting manner. But when I look at how
the Democrats have done it, when I look at Barack Obama,
when I look at the activist judges that have stopped
everything Trump's trying to do, sometimes you got to hold
your nose and say, look, do what you gotta do.
And that's kind of how I come out on this.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Do you think he's doing what he got to do
with the Obama files that he released on Friday? I
guess Telsea Gabbart actually released them, but I'm sure he
knew about them. They are damning. I mean, I'm not
sure it rises to the level of treason, new or conspiracy,
but they they are damning. They were trying to undermine
the Trump administration before he took over, and they did
(03:38):
lie to him, not.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Even a question. I mean, he's got to expose this.
But keep in mind, Larry, you've got, you know what,
three and a half years left. Who knows if we're
ever going to get a chance again. The both of
us know, and I'm sure all of your audience knows.
Obama's not getting criminally charged. No one's going to get
criminally charged by this. We've got sort of bigger fish
to fry with what's going on in the country. You've
(04:01):
got Mahmud Khalil, an open Hamas supporter, is roaming around
Congress and is being boosted up by Democrats, and you
get that piece of garbage out of there. Send them
back to jihad land where he's from. You know, whatever
you have to do, arrest him again. You can't let
this guy become a martyr, which is what he wants
(04:22):
to become. I mean, Bernie Sanders yesterday said that he
was imprisoned Khalil for a simply First Amendment views. Well,
I guess aligning with hamas an internationally recognized terrorist organization
and harassing Jewish students on campus and getting Columbia students
to destroy the campus is that First Amendment protection? Of
(04:43):
course not. These are the types of things Trump has
to do. He's trying. I mean, listen, God bless the guy.
He's certainly trying. But we really don't have time to
mess around this Maxwell stuff. Who cares? I mean really,
it's like, just move on, dude. If you don't want
to expose any more of the Epstein stuff, I doubt
I don't really care. I consider it over. I almost
represented Epstein and I met with him. I can tell you,
(05:06):
and I know your audience doesn't want to hear this.
I strongly believe that he killed himself because the guy
never really wanted to talk about his case, and he
did change his will right before he died. So you know,
you figure that out.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I would love to get your take on the Aton
Paid's case and the fact that the appellate court is saying,
either retry this or we're throwing it out. You, being
a criminal defense attorney, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You know, it was a horrible, obviously murder, though I
don't think the body was ever found. They grabbed this
guy and he made a confession without being given his
miranda rights, and then after it was illegally gotten from him,
later they said well, look now we'll read you your
miranda rights and will you say the same thing you
(05:57):
said before? And he did use that second confession, and
when the jury asked about it, the judge said, well, yeah,
that's fine, you can use that. It's just not the law.
There was no forensic evidence against this guy. As much
as it pains me to say, and I think anybody
else who cares about children and cares about law and order,
it was a lousy conviction. The first trial that the
(06:20):
guy had it was a hung jury. It was nearly
a hung jury. And the second one, you know, I
don't know that they have the right guy. And if
that's the case, you know you got to toss it out.
I don't think they'll ever try the case again, though.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yes, real quickly, and I hope he can do it quickly.
What do you think of Columbia University now suspending and
expelling seventy students.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, it's a small start. When you start getting
rid of the Jihadis professors, then maybe you'll convince me
they're serious. There's a reason why one third of young
people have positive thoughts about socialism and communism. It's because
of the slop, the garbage jihadist professors that are teaching
students at Columbia and many there's schools across America.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, it's a start. Jeffrey Lichtman, high profile defense attorney.
He also has a podcast that you should certainly listen to,
Beyond the Legal Limit podcast found on the iHeartRadio app.
Thanks a lot, Jeffrey, Thank you, Larry
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