June 13, 2025 • 6 mins
John Nance speaks with Mendte in the Morning about the tragic airplane crash that happened in India yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But of course, the other story making a lot of
headlines right now outside of the political news was a tragedy,
a horrific Air India crash. The video is all over
the internet at Josie Boeing seven eighty seven dreamliner plummet
just seconds after takeoff. There is good news out of
the crash. One man seated in eleven a did survive.
I have no idea how it happened, but if any
(00:20):
man can make sense of it all, it is ABC's
World News. Aviation analyst and author John Nance is on
the line.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning, John, Good morning Jimmy. How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The most telling thing about the world we now live in?
As if you've seen the video of this miraculous survival tale,
the photo of the guy walking away from the crash,
he's looking at his phone. He has his phone, and
it's like, we're so calibrated to do that, but I'm
also just so overwhelmed because I can't imagine how he
must feel in this moment. But this is obviously a
(00:51):
horrible tragedy. Let's start there. Do we have any insight
into what caused this?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
A little? Only a little and not enough, But we
will get that with the readout of the cocker Horse
recorder and the Client DITA recorder. What we know is
the airplane had plenty of thrust to take off as
soon as he got into the air. However, something happened
to both engines simultaneously, which is very very unlikely in
any operation with the twin engine airplane. They did not
(01:18):
have sufficient thrust to be able to maintain air speed,
and they slowly drifted down until they hit the building.
The indications of this are that not only did the
engines fail, whether they actually stopped or not, they weren't
producing power, but the crew didn't even have time to
raise the landing gear, and that's a very tell tale element.
(01:39):
So what we don't know is what the impetus of
that was. It could be anything from hitting birds, which
we don't think are indicated. We haven't heard much about that,
or about the presence of birds on the airport all
the way to something very dark like somebody turning off
the engines in the cockpit, which I'm not assuming is
(02:00):
the case. But these airplanes are built to never have
something happen simultaneously to both engines, and so when something
like this does occur, they're just not a whole lot
of explanation that is readily. You know, it's easy to
come by. It's something that's almost completely unprecedented, and certainly
with the respect of the seven eighty seven, its completely unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wow, that's crazy. We're talking to John Nance, ABC World
News aviation analyst and author. One thing I did read
earlier is some of the photos from the crash. I'd
say the tail section of the plane appeared to be intact,
and that would be where the black box is stored.
So does that make it any easier for them to
retrieve the black box as comparative to other situations.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, immensely easier. I mean when the tail section and
the racks and which those two devices are in stacked,
when you can just walk up and pull those out,
that's one hund hundred thousands, one hundred thousand times better
than having to sit through a smoking hole somewhere, which
we've had to do many times.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's heavy. Does anyone has to guess as to how
this gentleman in seat eleven A did survive?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, I bridle it the use of the word
miracle most of the time and aviation disasters, but this
is one I would endorse when you were dissipating one
hundred and fifty to one hundred and sixty miles an
hour in less than one hundred and fifty feet, you've
got basically metal flying everywhere, And how anybody could get
out of that mailstream of flying knives, if you will,
(03:28):
is literally miraculous. But somehow it all worked for him,
and the door was just cracked open enough there at
eleven A, which is one of the emergency exit ros,
he was able to squeeze out and not fall, you know,
very far. He was actually on a surface. All of
those things could have been different than in a microsecond,
just a tiny little bit of pressure in one direction
(03:50):
or another during the dissipation of the speed. But I
can't I can't tell you. I know, we're going to
have a lot of people saying, Okay, I want seat
eleven A now on. This is completely random. He could
have been at the back of the airplane. He could
have been in the front of the airplane.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, I have a quick question. I saw a video,
and I cannot believe everything you see on social media,
But there are so many videos coming out and right
before the plane, you know, had this incident. They were
people on the plane saying that there was no power
to their you know, to the televisions, that the air
(04:27):
conditioning was off. Have you heard about that?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, But it doesn't surprise me. I mean, we have
only one eyewitness who survived and listening very carefully to
anything that he's reported to have said. The fact is,
if you lose both engines, are they both go so
far down in terms of their rotation that that they're
not producing electrical power anymore. You've got backup systems, but
(04:51):
they're not going to click in necessarily aboard the cabin,
so you might not have operating televisions in front of
the seats. But there's also may be an overstatement because
again we have only one witness, only one person was
a board.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, the other thing I would ask we're talking to
John Nance, ABC World News aviation analyst and author, is uh,
you know, Bowe's been under a lot of scrutiny lately.
Obviously this isn't going to help that situation. Have they reacted?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, they've done all the right things. I mean, they've
they got their their own version of a go team
that joins in this case, of course, is not in
the US, so the NTSP National Transportation Safety Board has
to be invited, in which I think they already have been.
Boeing will be an inevitable party to that because they
are the manufacturer of the airplane. You know, the tendency
(05:40):
is always is for those of us in the media
to say, Okay, this dot is connected to that dot.
As far as anything detrimental to Boeing, will have to
wait and see if there's anything indicated when they get
into the so called black boxes, which are actually international orange,
the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. If
there's there is something that looks like it might be
(06:01):
a generic probability or possibility in the future for a repeat,
this will be addressed immediately, and of course it could
be very worrisome. There are thousands of these airplanes, are
a little more than a thousand flying out there. They've
got a superlative, almost perfect record, and their dispatch reliability
is very, very high. So I'm not anticipating any problem
(06:22):
with the Dreamliner as such, but if that did happen,
that would be a major blow to Boy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Wow, very heavy stuff, John Nance. We appreciate a few
minutes this morning. Great stuff. As always you bet Thank you, sir.
Great john Nance, ABC World News, Aviation analyst and author,
But of course, the other story making a lot of
headlines right now outside of the political news was a tragedy,
a horrific Air India crash. The video is all over
the internet at Josie Boeing seven eighty seven dreamliner plummet
just seconds after takeoff. There is good news out of
the crash. One man seated in eleven a did survive.
I have no idea how it happened, but if any
(00:20):
man can make sense of it all, it is ABC's
World News. Aviation analyst and author John Nance is on
the line.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good morning, John, Good morning Jimmy. How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
The most telling thing about the world we now live in?
As if you've seen the video of this miraculous survival tale,
the photo of the guy walking away from the crash,
he's looking at his phone. He has his phone, and
it's like, we're so calibrated to do that, but I'm
also just so overwhelmed because I can't imagine how he
must feel in this moment. But this is obviously a
(00:51):
horrible tragedy. Let's start there. Do we have any insight
into what caused this?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
A little? Only a little and not enough, But we
will get that with the readout of the cocker Horse
recorder and the Client DITA recorder. What we know is
the airplane had plenty of thrust to take off as
soon as he got into the air. However, something happened
to both engines simultaneously, which is very very unlikely in
any operation with the twin engine airplane. They did not
(01:18):
have sufficient thrust to be able to maintain air speed,
and they slowly drifted down until they hit the building.
The indications of this are that not only did the
engines fail, whether they actually stopped or not, they weren't
producing power, but the crew didn't even have time to
raise the landing gear, and that's a very tell tale element.
(01:39):
So what we don't know is what the impetus of
that was. It could be anything from hitting birds, which
we don't think are indicated. We haven't heard much about that,
or about the presence of birds on the airport all
the way to something very dark like somebody turning off
the engines in the cockpit, which I'm not assuming is
(02:00):
the case. But these airplanes are built to never have
something happen simultaneously to both engines, and so when something
like this does occur, they're just not a whole lot
of explanation that is readily. You know, it's easy to
come by. It's something that's almost completely unprecedented, and certainly
with the respect of the seven eighty seven, its completely unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wow, that's crazy. We're talking to John Nance, ABC World
News aviation analyst and author. One thing I did read
earlier is some of the photos from the crash. I'd
say the tail section of the plane appeared to be intact,
and that would be where the black box is stored.
So does that make it any easier for them to
retrieve the black box as comparative to other situations.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh, immensely easier. I mean when the tail section and
the racks and which those two devices are in stacked,
when you can just walk up and pull those out,
that's one hund hundred thousands, one hundred thousand times better
than having to sit through a smoking hole somewhere, which
we've had to do many times.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
That's heavy. Does anyone has to guess as to how
this gentleman in seat eleven A did survive?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You know, I bridle it the use of the word
miracle most of the time and aviation disasters, but this
is one I would endorse when you were dissipating one
hundred and fifty to one hundred and sixty miles an
hour in less than one hundred and fifty feet, you've
got basically metal flying everywhere, And how anybody could get
out of that mailstream of flying knives, if you will,
(03:28):
is literally miraculous. But somehow it all worked for him,
and the door was just cracked open enough there at
eleven A, which is one of the emergency exit ros,
he was able to squeeze out and not fall, you know,
very far. He was actually on a surface. All of
those things could have been different than in a microsecond,
just a tiny little bit of pressure in one direction
(03:50):
or another during the dissipation of the speed. But I
can't I can't tell you. I know, we're going to
have a lot of people saying, Okay, I want seat
eleven A now on. This is completely random. He could
have been at the back of the airplane. He could
have been in the front of the airplane.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, I have a quick question. I saw a video,
and I cannot believe everything you see on social media,
But there are so many videos coming out and right
before the plane, you know, had this incident. They were
people on the plane saying that there was no power
to their you know, to the televisions, that the air
(04:27):
conditioning was off. Have you heard about that?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, But it doesn't surprise me. I mean, we have
only one eyewitness who survived and listening very carefully to
anything that he's reported to have said. The fact is,
if you lose both engines, are they both go so
far down in terms of their rotation that that they're
not producing electrical power anymore. You've got backup systems, but
(04:51):
they're not going to click in necessarily aboard the cabin,
so you might not have operating televisions in front of
the seats. But there's also may be an overstatement because
again we have only one witness, only one person was
a board.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, the other thing I would ask we're talking to
John Nance, ABC World News aviation analyst and author, is uh,
you know, Bowe's been under a lot of scrutiny lately.
Obviously this isn't going to help that situation. Have they reacted?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, they've done all the right things. I mean, they've
they got their their own version of a go team
that joins in this case, of course, is not in
the US, so the NTSP National Transportation Safety Board has
to be invited, in which I think they already have been.
Boeing will be an inevitable party to that because they
are the manufacturer of the airplane. You know, the tendency
(05:40):
is always is for those of us in the media
to say, Okay, this dot is connected to that dot.
As far as anything detrimental to Boeing, will have to
wait and see if there's anything indicated when they get
into the so called black boxes, which are actually international orange,
the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. If
there's there is something that looks like it might be
(06:01):
a generic probability or possibility in the future for a repeat,
this will be addressed immediately, and of course it could
be very worrisome. There are thousands of these airplanes, are
a little more than a thousand flying out there. They've
got a superlative, almost perfect record, and their dispatch reliability
is very, very high. So I'm not anticipating any problem
(06:22):
with the Dreamliner as such, but if that did happen,
that would be a major blow to Boy.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Wow, very heavy stuff, John Nance. We appreciate a few
minutes this morning. Great stuff. As always you bet Thank you, sir.
Great john Nance, ABC World News, Aviation analyst and author,
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