September 19, 2025 • 6 mins
After Charlie Kirk's death, we need a new approach for people to discuss politics with each other. We may not ever see another millennial like Charlie Kirk again.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you don't read Mary Rook, who does commentary and
analysis on the Daily Caller, you really should. She has
a great new column out called Charlie Kirk's death sparks
new calls for national revival. Mary Rook is a Catholic
mom of four and the author of The Daily Caller
Common which covers a broad range of politics and culture. Mary,
(00:22):
I loved your I loved your column this week. I
really did. I want to talk about the revival in
a moment, but first let's talk about you personally. And
I know you were moved and you were shocked and
you were saddened by the death of Charlie Kirk. Can
you tell us what your immediate reaction was and how
that reaction has grown to this column?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
You know, I think, like millions of Americans, I wanted
to believe it wasn't true. It was so such a
blow to your senses and every sense of the word. It,
you know, kind of makes you fearful to be a conservative.
You go to those stages of grief everyone else. But
then I woke up, and you know, watching Erica Kirk
(01:06):
be so strong in her first address to the nation,
it lit a firing me and I thought, Okay, this
is exactly the type of woman that I want my
daughters to be. This is exactly the type of woman
that I want to be. And what am I going
to do from here? And like, let's make actionable changes
to our society and wake people up.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I think the kind of the overarching you know theme here,
and especially with Charlie Kirk's message is and he said
this several times God, Family, country, and so we need
to be moving forward in those action plans in order
to keep Charlie's memory alive in our nation.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That was really well said. What do you expect to happen? Now?
I think everybody there is a growing movement already in
the country. I don't think that the Democrats and certainly
Tyler Robinson saw this coming, but there has been already
a sort of revival that is looking for a leader,
that is looking for a path forward. What do you
(02:08):
expect to happen?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, I think we all woke up. I've seen
video after video after video of men saying I haven't
been to church in years. I've been neglecting, you know,
this faith aspect of my life with my family, and
I'm going to do what Charlie Kirk said, which is
be a strong husband, be a strong father, and lead
my family in this way. So I think that's really beautiful.
(02:32):
One of the things that I said in the piece
is that Charlie is a one of a kind. He
was this man who understood what it meant to be
a father and a husband, understood what it meant to
be a man in this day and age when they're
attacked all the time. How do you stand strong and
all of those things. I don't think that he's replaceable.
That's the sad reality of it. However, I do think
(02:54):
that in his death, there's far more good in the
world with all of these people rising up, and it's
going to take everyone to fill his shoes. I think
that's the sad reality. There's not going to be kind
of one king maker that passes the torch. We saw
yesterday that Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, is going to start
leading tps tp USA, which I think is such a
(03:16):
great idea. I saw on his show yesterday that Megan
Kelly was hosting, where one of the men said that
someone called Erica very important person. He wouldn't say who.
Shortly after Charlie Kirk's death and they asked her who,
(03:36):
how much do you know? And he said her response
was everything. So I don't think there's any better person to,
you know, handle the juggernaut that is turning point USA.
I think this is going to be a really great
move And then if you watched her address, and if
you haven't, I really urge you to go back and
watch it because it was so powerful and so meaningful.
(03:59):
I think it was one of those moments where you
clearly saw one how much she loved Charlie and two
how driven she is going to be. I mean, I
made this comment the other day that they're in that
type of woman. There's absolutely nothing she won't do to
see something succeed if you hurt the man that she loves.
And I think that's that's what we're seeing in this movement.
(04:21):
We need more women like that to stand up alongside
their husbands and you know, their fathers and all of
those things to help lead this country out of the darkness.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And Sunday is a huge moment for her because a
lot of eyes will be watching to see if she
can be the person that takes over I can't imagine
I can't imagine Mary the pressure on her for that day,
But I have a feeling she's going to rise to
the occasion, do you, Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Absolutely? I mean when you watch the address, I'm sitting
here thinking if that were my husband, if that had
happened to me, would I have had the strength to
stand up and give that speech and you know, not
break down every five second? And she held so strong.
I think that she, you know, God made her built
for this moment and it's you know, it's tragic, and
(05:08):
it's sad, and it's all of those things that thank God,
Charlie Kirk has a wife like Erica, who you know,
I think really well rise to the moment. We saw
that on Friday, and I expect nothing less on Sunday,
although I will admit that the pressure I feel like
now as she's moving through these stages of grief is
even more than it was when she gave her first address. So,
(05:30):
like you, I'm very interested to see how that all
you know, transpires, But I do believe that she is
going to be excellent.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I do too. But there's going to be seventy three
thousand people there, and it's going to be telecast around
the world. If she lives up to what you and
I both believe she can do, she will be the one,
and she will be able to and she will have
so much power going into these future elections.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I completely agree. And you know, as far as like
it's not even the Republican movement, because I hate to
call it that, it's really this revival inside America, I
think that she understood the importance of the work that
Charlie was doing. You know, it's more than just whipping
votes for Donald Trump in the election. What he was
(06:19):
really doing was going to these college canvasses where these
kids felt like there was no hope. They can't buy
a home, they're never going to get ahead, they're going
to be suck in this you know, kind of depressing
rat race for their whole lives. And he told them, no,
you've got hope. Let me show you how to live
a life, a good life, a full life, a committed life,
and you know, go out into the world and feel
(06:40):
joy and happiness and where you are and how to
fight back against you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You're right, Mary, to get you. You're right, and there's
no better people person to lead that. Mary Rook commentary
and analyss writer for The Daily Caller Go to dailycor
dot com and read her latest column.
If you don't read Mary Rook, who does commentary and
analysis on the Daily Caller, you really should. She has
a great new column out called Charlie Kirk's death sparks
new calls for national revival. Mary Rook is a Catholic
mom of four and the author of The Daily Caller
Common which covers a broad range of politics and culture. Mary,
(00:22):
I loved your I loved your column this week. I
really did. I want to talk about the revival in
a moment, but first let's talk about you personally. And
I know you were moved and you were shocked and
you were saddened by the death of Charlie Kirk. Can
you tell us what your immediate reaction was and how
that reaction has grown to this column?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
You know, I think, like millions of Americans, I wanted
to believe it wasn't true. It was so such a
blow to your senses and every sense of the word. It,
you know, kind of makes you fearful to be a conservative.
You go to those stages of grief everyone else. But
then I woke up, and you know, watching Erica Kirk
(01:06):
be so strong in her first address to the nation,
it lit a firing me and I thought, Okay, this
is exactly the type of woman that I want my
daughters to be. This is exactly the type of woman
that I want to be. And what am I going
to do from here? And like, let's make actionable changes
to our society and wake people up.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I think the kind of the overarching you know theme here,
and especially with Charlie Kirk's message is and he said
this several times God, Family, country, and so we need
to be moving forward in those action plans in order
to keep Charlie's memory alive in our nation.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That was really well said. What do you expect to happen? Now?
I think everybody there is a growing movement already in
the country. I don't think that the Democrats and certainly
Tyler Robinson saw this coming, but there has been already
a sort of revival that is looking for a leader,
that is looking for a path forward. What do you
(02:08):
expect to happen?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know, I think we all woke up. I've seen
video after video after video of men saying I haven't
been to church in years. I've been neglecting, you know,
this faith aspect of my life with my family, and
I'm going to do what Charlie Kirk said, which is
be a strong husband, be a strong father, and lead
my family in this way. So I think that's really beautiful.
(02:32):
One of the things that I said in the piece
is that Charlie is a one of a kind. He
was this man who understood what it meant to be
a father and a husband, understood what it meant to
be a man in this day and age when they're
attacked all the time. How do you stand strong and
all of those things. I don't think that he's replaceable.
That's the sad reality of it. However, I do think
(02:54):
that in his death, there's far more good in the
world with all of these people rising up, and it's
going to take everyone to fill his shoes. I think
that's the sad reality. There's not going to be kind
of one king maker that passes the torch. We saw
yesterday that Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, is going to start
leading tps tp USA, which I think is such a
(03:16):
great idea. I saw on his show yesterday that Megan
Kelly was hosting, where one of the men said that
someone called Erica very important person. He wouldn't say who.
Shortly after Charlie Kirk's death and they asked her who,
(03:36):
how much do you know? And he said her response
was everything. So I don't think there's any better person to,
you know, handle the juggernaut that is turning point USA.
I think this is going to be a really great
move And then if you watched her address, and if
you haven't, I really urge you to go back and
watch it because it was so powerful and so meaningful.
(03:59):
I think it was one of those moments where you
clearly saw one how much she loved Charlie and two
how driven she is going to be. I mean, I
made this comment the other day that they're in that
type of woman. There's absolutely nothing she won't do to
see something succeed if you hurt the man that she loves.
And I think that's that's what we're seeing in this movement.
(04:21):
We need more women like that to stand up alongside
their husbands and you know, their fathers and all of
those things to help lead this country out of the darkness.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And Sunday is a huge moment for her because a
lot of eyes will be watching to see if she
can be the person that takes over I can't imagine
I can't imagine Mary the pressure on her for that day,
But I have a feeling she's going to rise to
the occasion, do you, Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Absolutely? I mean when you watch the address, I'm sitting
here thinking if that were my husband, if that had
happened to me, would I have had the strength to
stand up and give that speech and you know, not
break down every five second? And she held so strong.
I think that she, you know, God made her built
for this moment and it's you know, it's tragic, and
(05:08):
it's sad, and it's all of those things that thank God,
Charlie Kirk has a wife like Erica, who you know,
I think really well rise to the moment. We saw
that on Friday, and I expect nothing less on Sunday,
although I will admit that the pressure I feel like
now as she's moving through these stages of grief is
even more than it was when she gave her first address. So,
(05:30):
like you, I'm very interested to see how that all
you know, transpires, But I do believe that she is
going to be excellent.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I do too. But there's going to be seventy three
thousand people there, and it's going to be telecast around
the world. If she lives up to what you and
I both believe she can do, she will be the one,
and she will be able to and she will have
so much power going into these future elections.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I completely agree. And you know, as far as like
it's not even the Republican movement, because I hate to
call it that, it's really this revival inside America, I
think that she understood the importance of the work that
Charlie was doing. You know, it's more than just whipping
votes for Donald Trump in the election. What he was
(06:19):
really doing was going to these college canvasses where these
kids felt like there was no hope. They can't buy
a home, they're never going to get ahead, they're going
to be suck in this you know, kind of depressing
rat race for their whole lives. And he told them, no,
you've got hope. Let me show you how to live
a life, a good life, a full life, a committed life,
and you know, go out into the world and feel
(06:40):
joy and happiness and where you are and how to
fight back against you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You're right, Mary, to get you. You're right, and there's
no better people person to lead that. Mary Rook commentary
and analyss writer for The Daily Caller Go to dailycor
dot com and read her latest column.
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