December 3, 2025 • 40 mins
ESPN insider Dan Graziano joins Marc James to talk all things Seahawks, from Sam Darnold to the elite defense, and much more. MJ and Kidd read back your messages from listeners, and Ian Furness joins the show to share what he has planned on his program.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Throughout the entire twelve game seasons so far, especially coming
off Sunday's win, How do you assess the Seattle Seahawks
as a whole, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Elite defense and on balance.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Obviously, I think what Sam Darnold and Jackson Smith and
jig But have delivered in the passing game has been,
you know, obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Extremely high level.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You'd love to see them be able to run the
ball better, and I don't know if that's the kind
of thing that's gonna come as the season goes along.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It seems like, you know, some of the issues with
that are up.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Front, but you know, and I think there's gonna be
questions hanging over Darnold because of the way last season
ended in Minnesota and the way he performed in what
was their biggest game of the year so far against
the Rams, And I think those questions are fair until
he he answers them in a different way, which he can.
I think, you know that a long field goal at
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the end of the Rams game goes in and we're
probably spending the last couple of weeks talking about, you know,
are the Seahawks the best team? Whereas that was the
conversation about the Rams till they stub their toe in
Carolina on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So you know, I think the.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Seahawks are excellent at a number of things. I think
you can poke holes as you can with any of
these teams this year.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If they if they could.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Establish something on the ground offensively, I think they'd be
extremely hard to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Tough schedule going down the stretch, Dwan. I mean, they
got a road game in Atlanta, and listen, it's it's
a road game. You're not facing Michael Pennix. But nonetheless,
you know, you never know what could happen. Then you
get the Colts at home, the Rams at home, and
close at Carolina and at San Francisco. So the schedule
makers did not do Seattle any favors towards the end
of the year. Is this something that you believe Mike
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McDonald and this team can navigate through these choppy waters upcoming?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, because they're they're they're part of what makes the
other team schedule tough, right, true?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean people are looking at oh, we got to
go to Seattle, like, I mean, nobody wants to play
that defense right now, and look, he's never gonna look
any better than you do.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And like Max Brozmer was just sort of up to
the task.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Undrafted rookie who hadn't played in the league, and you
know that that was sal did what it had to
do and did a good job.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But yeah, no, I think they can play with anybody. Again,
that Rams game is a two point game.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
On the road, and both of their seasons looked very,
very different if it goes the other way. So the
rematch being in Seattle, I think will will certainly help.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And yeah, you got the road game.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Look, the Rams could tell you firsthand from what happened
two days ago. Those you don't take anything for granted.
I don't think anybody thought Carolina.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Would win that game, and they did, which obviously helps Seattle.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But yeah, I think it's I think I think it's
a very good team, and I think, you know, if
they're able to beat the Rams and take care of
their other business, you're talking about a team that has
a shot to you know, take the one seed and
get home games in the in the postseason, which you
know that's going to finally get some people's attention.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Dan Graziano, senior NFL insider from ESPN on MJ in
the midday Sports Radio ninety three three KJRFM. How would
you assess in year two Mike McDonald and the fact
that he has this ridiculous road record of twelve and
two and just what he's meant in his impact here
from year one to year two one ten games last year, even.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Though the Rams did lie down that final game of
the year, we all.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Know that, but he did have a winning record nonetheless,
And what he's done in year two to kind of
build off of year one. What would you assess so
far of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I think we can objectively say he's an elite you know,
defensive mind and play caller. I mean the way they
play on defense, and you see it especially in this
second year, you know, with everybody familiar with the scheme,
just you know what he's able to do from a
game plan standpoint from week to week, and you know
the production they're getting at every level of the defense.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I think I don't think that surprises anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
When you hire a young, first time head coach, you know,
the questions are about the rest of the stuff, like
can he be the central guiding voice in the building
that sets the tone and articulates the vision for the
entire team. And you know, it establishes, you know, the
way they want to play and make sure that they're
all held accountable to it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, I think the early returns are good. I mean,
you say, won ten games last year, he has already
won nine this year. Proof is kind of in the
pudding here. So I think I'm impressed. I know, I'm impressed.
I think people around the league are impressed with what
he's been able to do here in the short term.
And yeah, I think you know, arrow up. I think
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it seems like it was a very good hire. There
are other teams that were after him. It was good
of Seattle to be able to get him when they did,
and I think there's plenty of.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Reason to be excited about the present and the future.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, a lot of people, Dan, I didn't talk
to you before the season, so I don't know where
you stand on this, and I know you'll be honest
on where you were. And a lot of people had
doubts of Sam Darnold, and justifiably so. I mean, listen,
a lot of people looked at maybe he was a
product of the Kevin O'Connell ecosystem in just this puppet
and listen, Sam Darnold has been actually I think better
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than advertised. Now, there was a couple of performances, the
most recent one being on Sunday for interceptions against the
Rams a few weeks ago. All that being considered, how
would you rank his season so far and assess it overall?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
In Seattle?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't hold Sunday against him because I was such
a weird, one sided game, and you have Brian Flores,
who's made better quarterbacks than Sam look look worse, and
who coached.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Against him in practice all last year, like it may
have had some sense of some tendencies, right, So I
don't hold that one against him.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Look, I think when you talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Sam Donald in Seattle, the price was right right for
the risk, the level of risk they were taking, Like
he's coming off this big year, but.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Obviously it ended badly and there's all those years that
came before for it. Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So they get him on this contract that's extremely reasonable
and really only ties them to him for this year.
I mean, they can get out of that contract with
nothing else uh to pay him after this season ends.
So I think Seattle was judicious with their quarterback decision
making in the offseason. They went to to Gino Smith
about an extension. They didn't feel like he was into that,
so they move on and they replace him with Sam.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And you know, it seems like Clint.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Kobiak has designed an offense that that plays to his strengths.
And you you're you're benefiting from an absolutely legendary wide
receiver season by your first round pick from a couple
of years ago. And obviously the connect with Sam's smart
enough to know, hey, let me find that guy, uh
and see if he can do something with it. So, yeah,
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I don't I would say he's probably performed about where
you would have expected. He has questions to answer that
that that pre date his time in Seattle, and un
fortunately one of them is beating the Rams in a
big game, because that's the team that knocked him out
of the playoffs last year, and obviously it was it
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was probably his worst game this season too, So fortunately
or fortunately or unfortunately, we'll find out he gets another
shot at him, maybe even two. And I think it's
you know, going into the season, man like I thought
the NFC West could finish in any order one to
four and it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Now, obviously Arizona.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Didn't get the memo, but the other three teams all
have nine wins. I mean, this is this is a legit,
like you know, awesome race here to the finish. So,
but Seattle's up to it and I would not be
surprised at all they turned out to be the best
team or three.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Dan Grazy on on MG in the midday trust factor
scale a one to ten and tell me, why do
you believe that Sam Darnold could potentially lead this team
to the Promised Land where they haven't been in over
a decade since Super Bowl forty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, So, I mean trust and believe are two like
significantly different words.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right, Okay. I believe he has it in him, Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I believe that that he can do it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
He's got the talent and I think, you know, if
he plays within the system they've set him up, and
you know, I think it can work. But I believed
that about him last year too, and he showed at
the end of the season that he is difficult to trust.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And that's look, no one, no one can do it
until they do it right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like John Elway was the guy that could never win
the Super Bowl and then he ends his career with
two in a row.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So I'm not comparing those players, but my point.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Is, you know until we see it happen, Like Matthew
Stafford wasn't a super Bowl winning quarterback until he got
to the Rams, So you have to be the right situation.
So far, it looks like Sam Dron was in the
right situation. I think this is a Seattle team that
if it's going to make a deep playoff run, if
it's going to make a super Bowl run, it will
center on the defense no matter who's playing quarterback. And
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I think the offense is going to have to do
what we've seen it do in its best games this year,
which is, you know, lean on the ability to you know,
to run the play action to find you know, Jackson
Smith and Jig.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But and again, I.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Really would feel better about the whole thing if I
thought they had a consistently productive run game. I think
that would help Sam as well. So yeah, I think
the way they're set up, it's hard to trust it
because I think they are asking a lot of their
passing game, especially.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
If they're going to be in playoff games where they're
gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Shoot out with other good offensive teams. But yeah, I
think he's capable for sure. It's just until we see
him do it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Those questions are justifiably going.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
To linger Tan Graziano here on MJ in the midday.
So since the Tampa game, it was a shootout and
end up kind of it shouldn't have been that way.
There was a trick play called Jalen Milroe pitch to
Kenny Walker and they Tampa Bay recovered it and then
the whole game the tenor of that game changed. But
since that game, the defense is minus point three to
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six epa per play. It's the best the Legion of
Boom ever had over that ration of games is minus
point two three. So there, you look at that and
you kind of put it in perspective that if you
have to, could this defense like the two Bucks, the
twenty thirteen Hawks, two thousand Ravens, could they potentially help
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lead this team and get them to where they want
to be at Super Bowl sixty in Santa Clara.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Twenty fifteen Broncos, right, the last vestiges.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of Peyton Manning. Yeah, I think it can be that
kind of defense. Now, I don't know if in twenty
twenty five you can do it with just defense. So
I do think they are going to need Donald in
the offense to deliver at a high level at some
point during this playoff run that we imagined for them.
But you know, the game against the Rams was the
worst game of the Stafford and McVeigh era in terms
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of yards per dropback for the Rams offense. Like this
is this defense is no joke, Like it's not fattening
up on easy opponents. It had a bad game against Tampa,
as you mentioned, I saw them the next week. I
was at the game of Jacksonville and they were dominant.
And that's a Jacksonville team that you know has held
up like they're.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
A pretty good team.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So yeah, I think the defense is going to be
miserable for anyone to play against, no matter who it is,
whether it's the Rams or the or the Eagles or whoever.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, like any of these teams that are gonna
come out of the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The question is if if they're not on point, if
they're not, if there's a game where they're not you know,
their best selves on defense, can the offense overcome it?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And again I think it can, but until we see it,
I don't think I don't think there's good and I.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Think about a lot of the I think a lot
of the reason that people are slow to embrace the
idea of Seattle as one of the elite teams in
the league this year is because of the Darnold factor.
He's a guy that's been in the league now this
is his eighth year, and other than last year in Minnesota,
we have not seen him have success and we know
how that ended. So I think people, to use your
earlier word, don't trust it and probably won't until he
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proves them wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So in a trust factor one in ten ten being
the most where do you where do you stand?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
On Sam Donald?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Donald, I got to throw it right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I I gotta give you a five because we play
at a high level, but we haven't seen him play
at a high level in a really important game that
could that can sort of vault your season into something
more than it is. He had that opportunity in Detroit
at the end of last year, and certainly he had
it against the Rams in the playoffs, and those were
his two worst games of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I think, again, it may be unfair, but and he.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
May make us all look silly and I think that
would be a great story if he did, but I
just don't. We got to see it first, and I
don't think he has that signature sort of career defining
win yet, So to hold that against him again, He
may come back, see how might come back and say
I'm being unfair, But I don't think it's I don't
think it's wrong to say I got to see it first.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And I think a lot of people here in Seattle
or way to you, Dan, and I might have a
little I might go six point five, but but I'm
with you and where until you do it? And like
you said, hey, listen, Matthew Stafford didn't do anything until
he got you know, with Sean McVeigh. And you know,
once he got there, then boom, super Bowl champs. Okay, fine,
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but we've got to see it, and we got to
see it in big moments. And and you know, one
of the things I will take if you go back
to that Tampa game, and that was you know, for
the defense that day they had, that was their mulligan.
But that being said, Dan, I looked at Sam Donald
that day and I said, oh, oh, you're ready to
get in a shootout with Baker Mayfield, and he was
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the one who picked up the defense that day. Now, so,
like you just said, if the defense isn't their best selves,
can Donald replicate that in January?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And that's a real defense Tampa Bay, And that's a
team that they may well see in January. It's a
division leader that's in the playoff every year. So yeah,
his ability to do that against them would serve him
well in a potential rematch. Like again, I don't want
anybody get the wrong idea. I think Seattle's got a
great team. I think you can make a case that
they have the best team. My point is that I
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think the reason that people are hesitant to go there
is because of trepidation that comes from everything we've seen
from Sam Darnold in his career up to this point.
And you know, it'd be really really cool story if
he proved them all wrong and ended up having this
this brilliant second act of his career that made up
for the first one. I think that would be awesome,
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And I think it's within the range of potential outcomes.
I just you know, as we've said, I just think
it's the kind of thing that you have to really
probably see to.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Trust no question, Dan, did you have on your Bingo
card after the Patriots lost the home opener to Gino
Smith and the Raiders that they would win eleven of
their next twelve, including Dan.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Games in a row with a second year QB and
Drake Meg Did you have that? Did anybody have that
other big old guard?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, I mean, look, we talked about could they be
a team that makes a quick turnaround because of Rabel
and a little bit of a soft schedule, But now
not this not one seed level, not going to Buffalo
and beat them. I was at their last loss, which
was a home game against Pittsburgh right in which they
turned the ball over five times, still only lost by
a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Pittsburgh finally was like, all right, fine, we'll take it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But they haven't lost since. And look, coaching really matters.
You talk about the McDonald hire. Obviously he's a young
and a first time head coach, so you're taking a
little bit of a chance there. But Mike Drabel, like
the Patriots, No, he can coach. He's a guy that
won a lot of games with the Tennessee Titans. Uh,
And you know, I think what he's established there in
a short period of time, and yes, the way the
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quarterback is played obviously is a massive part of it.
But you know, Josh McDaniels, for all of his fail
as a head coach, is an excellent Patriots offensive coordinator
like that, like that's the right job for him. And
so I think you've seen it all come together in
a pretty cool way. And you know, people want to
ding them for the schedule. Obviously it's not their fault.
I mean, they played the Giants last night. The Giants stink,
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but I mean they crushed them like they didn't like
they don't play with their food. So yeah, it's fun.
We'll see what happens come playoff time, because it sure
looks like they're gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
There's one team dan in the NFL, not in these
Seattle Seahawks. There's one team that's undefeated at six and
zero on the road. It's the New England Patriots. I
mean wow, I mean wow.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Those games in Buffalo. Buffalos won the division what five
years in a row, So that's the team you have
to beat. They get them again, they get them at home,
and who knows, they can get them again in the playoffs.
And Buffalo's got more experience.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But you know they're not going to be scared, and yeah,
Vabel's got that bunch locked in.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, and Buffalo and Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Is there thing when you talk about trust factor, you
could apply that to a lot of quarterbacks in the playoffs.
I'm gonna throw one at you because he hasn't done
it in yet in the playoffs and he has a
losing record.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Lamar Jackson, how much do you trust him in the postseason?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Not as much as I wish I did, given how
great I think he is.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean last year, you know, I was there in
Buffalo and the Ravens team that I think had turned
it over like nine times all year goes in and
turns it over twice in the first half, including a
couple of bad ones by him. Yeah, I think that's
another one, right, Like I think Lamar Jackson is awesome.
I think he's one of the one of the most
breathtaking players we've ever seen. And I think it would
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be really cool to see him, you know, cap his
career at some point with a title. But the opportunity
two years ago, the home game against Kansas City and
the AFC Championship, not just to lose, but to just
just lay that kind of an egg in that situation,
that just it just feeds into all of the all
of the neg of things people want to say in
terms of can you win with a player like that
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at quarterback? Again, I think you can, but he has
yet to prove me right in the biggest possible moments.
So that team just looks off though, Like he doesn't
look fully healthy, he's not really running.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
The defense is a little inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't know who wins that division, but nobody's even
over five hundred in that division anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They should have been better than they are, and fortunately
Pittsburgh's given them an opportunity to kind of turn it around.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But we'll see if they take it. They didn't look
on Thanksgiving night like a team that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Wanted to Is there a team out there that you
say before I let you go, that you could see
that not anybody has on their Bingo card or crystal
ball that could make a run to the super Bowl
that nobody's really looking at.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And I'm gonna throw one at you and laugh all
you want. Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see. Still young, you talk about
quarterbacks that you don't know whether you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Can trust right, Trevor Lawrence, My goodness, it's supposed to
be a lot better than this.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know. I'm about Houston.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
If they can get some consistency, they have an elite
defense right by you want to go way down the line.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't even know if they can make it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But did anybody pick up a better player in the
last couple of weeks than Joe Burrow? Like they're four
and eight, but they're two games out of first place
and they get Baltimore again, Like, could you win that
division with nine wins? Could you win that division with
eight wins and then get into the playoffs and be
playing your best.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Football of the year. It's a weird year, man, I
don't there's no one that's stay.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I mean the teams that stand out are like with
Record or Denver in New England, and Denver wins every
game by like two points.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
In New England, you know hasn't hasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Really played anybody. So yeah, we'll see it should be
exciting a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, Dan Crasion will always like your stuff on
ESPN and see on Countdown, NFL Live all the shows
and appreciate you up and by and making time. Hopefully
the next time we talked to you, who knows, maybe
the Seahawks will have wrapped up the one seed and
getting ready for.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
A buye who knows.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Good, Very good times, Dan, very good, Thanks again for
joining us. Appreciate it, all right, thank you? All right,
Dan Graziano. You know what he's He's not wrong, and
you know, we could throw this out there and and
we'll continue to look at that and debate it and
analyze it in terms of trust factor when you go
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into that postseason. I mean, I think even me saying
six and a half on a scale of one to ten,
the trusting Sam Darnold kind of might be overrating that
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I might.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I don't know, but I hope on the one thing
about it is that now is his opportunity to prove
everybody wrong, including the world, just like Stafford did four
years ago in LA with the Rams. Now's your time.
You have one of the greatest defense is that we've
seen come down the pike in the last twenty five years.
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And I don't think I'm going on being a hyperbolic
by saying that. Two thousand Baltimore, two thousand and two
Tampa twenty thirteen. Well that entire legion of Boom era
twenty twelve through twenty sixteen and then twenty fifteen Broncos.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, they were nasty.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's the reason Peyton Manning has two rings and not one,
because he sure as hell didn't do anything to win
that Super Bowl for them. But this Seahawks defense is
that damn good. But what happens if you get into
a situation like that Bucks game where all of a sudden,
the d just doesn't show up that day for whatever reason,
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the opposing team's offensive coordinator just seems to get them
off guard.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Can you rely on Sam Darnold to lead this team
in January? That's what it takes, all.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Right, Well, come back thanks to Dan Graziano, kid, great
job there out of you, and we'll come back and
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Speaker 4 (22:24):
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Speaker 4 (22:33):
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Speaker 1 (22:36):
All right, this is uh. I love this one. I
believe in Sam Darnold. I also believe in Bigfoot in
Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Folks are always hype on Lamar Jackson. He's not so
great in the playoffs. No one gives a crap what
you do in the regular season. If you stink in
the playoffs, all I don't care about your yards or MVPs.
Show me Lamar's playoff record. Nobody is as hard on
him as you guys are on Donald. Well, Donald has
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only been to the playoffs one time in his career.
Lamar has been there five times in his career, so
there's a larger sample size in terms of you know,
and Lamar is a bigger playoff failure than Donald because
he's been there more times, but he hasn't done it either.
You're not wrong, like you're right, You're you're absolutely right, Texter,
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you're right. And playoff Lamar is a thing, and he
always and some of it's not his fault.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Mark Andrews drop last year against Buffalo, but he's also
been bad in some games too, And as Dan mentioned
the game a couple of years prior to that, when
Buffalo turned the ball over two times in the first
half and Baltimore couldn't capitalize, he's I don't know what
it is, man, I don't know what is Some guys
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they show up small in big situations, and you know
what I need guys who are gonna do it when
it counts the most.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Lane Kiffin's daughter is beautiful and the cool thing is
her first name is Landerie, which is my last name.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
So when my son.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Marries her, her name will be Landerie Landerie. Okay, I
would love to be invited to that wedding. I would
love to be invited to that wedding. That would be
a fun wedding to go do.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Hey, Mark, you know what's disappointing is your best right
guard option is Anthony Bradford.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
What a joke.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
What's worse is Mike keeps praising him for his effort
and says he does things right and sometimes he makes
mistakes but it's correctable. Just saying it's week fourteen and
we are still seeing the same thing. But I think
if you're gonna say that, realize that my McDonald doesn't play.
He shipped guys out right for worse, and you're not
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gonna try. You're not gonna trash your players publicly. And
even if he's not, he's just gonna cut you. If
he was that bad, he would have made it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Obviously, maybe they tried to make a deal and they didn't.
It didn't work out. But my McDonald has shipped guys
off for not playing well. Leaviscus Chanoda is a great example.
He fumbled the football and was off the team the
next week. I'm just so I know my McDonald might
not call out players, but he has no problem with
getting rid of you. I think it's simple. Every week
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in practice, Anthony Bradford wins the job. It's really that simple.
Based on what we're seeing, he wins the job. Now
does he go out and make bad plays?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Sure he does. Yeah he does. And you know, people, well,
how can we haven't you know upgrade that?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, they upgrade the left guard position and hopefully the
right guard next year in the draft. And you mentioned
about the kid from Penn State. Someone said he's from
South Sound, so good it would be a homecoming for him.
That would be great. Uh, where is this, MJ. Why
do you compare the defense today to that of when
we played Tampa Bay? How many starters do we have
out that game? It's not a comparison. Well, I'm doing
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the totality of the entire season.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
We can't pick and choose and be like you know,
Seahawks have had starters out of every game defensively, I
mean Julian Love was.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The last time he played last year against the Rams
when they lay down. I don't even remember the last
time he played. It's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So but this defense, no matter who's in there, Okada,
Thomas's freaking guy, O'Connell, O'Donnell, Patrick o'cyle, Where did he
come from? But the one thing about Mike McDonald which
cannot be overstated is that no matter who's in there,
they're gonna play as if they are LB one, D
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E one, D L one, CB one S one. That's
like he gets them ready to play, no matter who's
hurt and who's healthy, he always has them ready to play.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Huskies will be in the playoffs next year. We're going
to be the best or second best in the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Just you watch.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Uh yeah, by the way, kid, did they release the
Vikings release Brosmoor yesterday?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I didn't see that they released Adam Thelen. No, no, no, no, no,
no no, he said, all right, it's the text line.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So let let me let me just check this to
me to see because I'm like I thought I would
have saw that if they.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Released brosmer No text line.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Come on, no, they didn't release them. They released Adam Theelen.
They didn't release him anyway.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
All right? Uh yeah, that you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Listen, man, you want to see someone do it. That's
the bottom line.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Um, MJ. I guess that.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh on the fifty yard line doubles for how many
times you dub will make the BCS playoffs as a
member of the Big ten Go Ducks.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Forget poor can't wait until they get rolled in the
playoffs yet again.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yes, that's true. A couple of things ragging on my singing,
which is great, MJ. Stick to the picking the locks man.
That was painful to listen to. Love the show, but man,
leave the singing to the pros. This is hilarious because
I love this movie. Dirk Diggler sang better in Boogie
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Knights than MJ just did. That says a lot and
a couple more. Kid, you're not winning any singing competitions,
my friend, he puts signing competitions.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But I know what you meant and great now my
dog is howling. I love when Mark Wahlberg saying in
Boogie Nights, we will right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Oh my god, that was so funny him and John
c Riley, who's a very underrated actor, in that scene
when they were trying to uh where they were trying
to cut a record?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Was that couldn't have been funnier.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Darnold's seeing ghost because Badford is blocking ghost.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Ah. I like that.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Kilani Sataki would be dangerous at Penn State. He's a
good coach and when you can be highly successful at
Navy and BYU, he would fit in perfectly in the
Big ten.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No, I don't disagree. I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I Kilani Sataki's a very very good head coach and
in Penn State because I'm starting to wonder, like Penn State,
who you hiring, who's out there? Who's left? And I
still think there's a I still think there's a chance.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Last one from me. Everyone has to believe in something
I believe I'll have a drink after listening to all
this Laane Kiffin nonsense.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I know what made it even worse was the fact that,
you know, I was checking out, like I said, his record.
He's five and six against top ten teams, and he's
thirteen and twenty five against top twenty five teams in
his entire career. So I'm not saying he's not a
good coach because he is. Look what he did at all,
miss the last three years. Oh miss we're talking about
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But when you look at those numbers, you're like, wow,
I mean, let's just why do I have a feeling
that this is going to end in and badly for
LSU and Lane Kiffin. I just I just feel I
just feel like it will keep shooting from the hip.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
MJ.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You're full of it. Oh well, he said something nice,
he said something mean.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
JL said, husky poll smokers think you w will be
better than Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon, and Michigan.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah right, lol, And the last one same to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Happy holidays all right there, It is Happy holidays to
you and your family as well.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
We'll talk to the mayor of Maple Valley coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thanks again at Dan Graziano and Hugh Millan for joining
us tomorrow, Rhys Davis and Mike Dugar. We'll be on
with MJ in the midday with me and kids, so
we're looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And again credit to me and Lee Sterling.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
The Pros beat the Joe's on the tag team picking
Molock's competition. We beat Softie and Dick last night when
I came through on the Patriots first half team total over,
so you know they were close though close, but as
the late great mean gene Oakerland once said, close so
only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Crosstalk next layer, he's in the house. Uh can I
(32:13):
just ask you this?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Why this All Star break layoff between Kraken games? Well,
I mean they what happened? They used to have the
bye week member kind of in the NHL, but they
can't do that anymore, Okay, with with with the Olympics
and they compact. So all it is is they're off Sunday,
Monday Tuesday. They're off four days, which is which is
probably I think is the longest stretch.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Of the air. But it's just weird.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Why why I don't know, because I look at the
rest of December and I feel like I'm working in
every other day.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
They needed practice time. By the way, look what I
brought for you. This is this is kind of it.
I'm being a jerk. I shouldn't do this, so I
got today. There you go, your favorite team. See what
that is, well, little Jeremiah Love Love Oh oh, it's
mins it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It's candies.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
It's what big schools do when they're trying to promote
somebody for the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Oh okay, but.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Washington, I'm talking to you when you didn't promote Pennix.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah yeah, but by the way, this year, I don't think.
I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
It's been the most lackluster Heisman. I I can't say
who I'm voting for. I like him anyway. You didn't
have to send me the little candies.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
But oh they said that to you. Yeah, oh, Dice,
you get a vote?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Oh cool?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I think I I mean Mendoza. Well, I think Mendoza wins. Okay,
they beat Ohio State. Here's the thing, they're the quarterbacks
that are all being talked about. Julian saying Bernana Mendoza,
Diego Pavia, Ty Simpson. Those guys are all in the
top five and passing efficiency and stuff like that in NANCA,
so they're all up there. I don't think Julian saying's
(33:40):
at me personally doesn't feel like a heisman.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Not anybody really does this year.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
I think Love Love has had his He's the best
player probably, but he didn't think gainst Miami. No, but
his numbers are now. I mean, I know he's less
than two hundred carries, he's thirteen hundred yards, the eighteen
touchdowns on the ground like pretty No, No, he's he's
and he's a game breaker for them, Like he's a
game breaker. He's won games for them with runs. But
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I would say Diago Diego Pavia is like looking at
what he's done numbers wise, but then elevating a program
that was the doormat of the SEC for all those years.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
What about Mendoza with Indiana Ian.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
But Indiana was a playoff team with out Mendoza.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
A fair point to Shee, You're not wrong, but I
think Mendoza has well. See here's the thing. He has
a chance to have a highst moment. He already did.
Yeah against Penn State and Oregon.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Right, but that like those to me, that Penn State
when they were I think, I mean to me, it's
it's to me, it's that was like insane.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Those are those the guys worth? I mean, if Mendoza,
if Indiana beats Ohio State then and Mendoza has a game,
like it's not like hey, a couple of pick sixes
or whatever. Like if it's Mendoza helps lead them to
a win Overhouse date ATEN title games, then it's you know,
Poby can't do anything to help himself. No, if can't
do anything to help himself, they're not playing this weekend. Again,
I don't think saying is Simpson is I guess a
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little bit of a wildcard. What if he goes for
it goes and it won't happen. But what if he
throws for three bills against Georgia, right and they win
that SEC title game? Then you have that conversation. So
I mean it's but it is it is different like
if you're saying like there isn't the guy, there isn't
there aren't Like there's not like this great debate like
last year there was a debate, right, like like Travis
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Hunter people loved him because he went both ways. But
cam Ward, cam Ward had a hell of a season.
I thought Scataboo was I mean, Scataboo got a team
from the Group of five and the or from Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Gabriel, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I thought Ashton Genty last year had an incredible year.
Gabriel Gabriel, Yeah, I never I know, Gabriel got love.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I I mean, my my, I went.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I went Gentee Wards Scataboo last year.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's why I went.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
And people lost their mind because I didn't vote for
Travis Hunter. They lost their mind. And I, as I
pointed out, I thought all three of the guys I
voted for deserved to be in New York. And it's
not like the Baseball Hall of Fame, where like there's
gonna be unanims. There's never unanimous picked for the Heisman.
So so that one vote he was going to be there,
probably win it. I thought Scataboo, Genty, and Ward all
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deserved to be there. And I thought that they all
I thought they all deserved to be a finals for
the for the Heisman. As it turns out they all were. Yeah,
So it could have been that bad a ballot but boy,
oh Colorado fans, oh oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Mean I would have voted for Travis Hunter. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
I I also think I I have a you know,
I voted for Penix two years in a row. Oh second,
second one. I voted one vote them one two years
ago and second the year before.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And you know how much that would pay me? Right?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
No, I try to tell Colorado fans you know I
was a racist.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I was this, I was that.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
And I said, listen, man, I take this, I look
at it, and I'm being honest with you. I said,
you're not like that voter that that woman like, oh
South Florida. She ranked Florida over usf After Florida. It
was different like if you're one of if you're one
of fifteen or one of twelve, and then that one
vote carries out much more weight than Yeah, then there's
(37:16):
no doubt. I'm gonna say I would, but I would
have had. I think I actually had Ward one, to
be honest with you, Okay, wedding Ward one. I like that,
and that and that pained me, I would imagine because
it was former two years ago. I know, I know,
I'm gonna say, is tonight, Hey, hey, you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I put this out there and listen, and I know
it's not the NFL, But in the NFL you have
a true meritocracy. And if you look at the tiebreaker
between two teams to make the playoffs or three teams
to make the playoffs, first tile is head to head.
And tonight, if college football in about three hours, if
college football drops the ball, the integrity of the game,
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and there's even.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Say you're making you're trying to make. You're trying to
convince yourself. You're trying to convince yourself that college football,
after all we've seen the seventy two hours, makes any
common sense at all. You're trying to convince yourself of that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Don't do that. You're gonna drive yourself from nuts. But
I know, let me, yeah, let me just pick up
I'm prepared for the worst.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I need you do.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Pick up a phone and call somebody from Ole Miss
all right, and you guys can can talk about the
ills of college football together for hours. Right, you think
about it like as mad as you are about my way.
If Sataki leaves, Yeah, that's an interesting one though, because
I think that he would be allowed to coach. No,
it's different You're not going to a conference rival, right, right,
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You're not going to a conference rival, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But some Rawle's coaching. You know he's going to be coaching.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's different group of five
to a power five. Yeah, not a conference rivals. It's
the most hated rival. Not in Mississippi State like there was.
There's zero change. And honestly, he Sataki's not taking a
bunch of dudes from BYU that are Mormon that go
to b YU because it's BYU to go to Penn State. No,
that's the other difference.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And I think that I think the.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Mormon thing is gonna help. It's to help you, y
you maybe keep him there. The tie for the church,
for someone who was of the faith, having covered games
and work there and everything else is a very strong tie.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Well, they got money with a Crumble ceo who is
getting involved.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, hey, man, go buy some cookies. You're a b
YU fan, go buy yourself some of those those.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Man. Wow, the Crumble ceo is getting involved. All bets
are out.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
And then on the Marriott's getting involved. The I mean
they're they're Mormon. Yeah, they got some money, dude, they
got whoa wow, Hey, nobody can out b b yu
b yu want.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
AJ Debondsa is gonna be a top maybe the number
one pick in the Nbah.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
He goes, it's not because of money, No, it's because
of the job. Okay, because they can't. They will write
a check under the table. His tithing goes away, like,
don't worry about your ten percent.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
You're good.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Yeah, who do you got to we're checking coup guys
will talk to us coming up at.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And then John London at two o'clock.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
The way I'll say this man Kid and I Kid
Kid was the highest on them in the preseason to
San Francisco forty nine ers. You cannot kill them, no,
there they are as cock road they are. Yeahn't kill them, no,
they just if you kill one, they mutate and they
just they reproduce.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Because that happened with Boson and were they're still there.
They're still and then look up, Oh my god, they're
unbelief makes him unbearable. We'll do it anyway a two
o'clock
Speaker 4 (40:18):
All right, h the mayor coming up next,
Throughout the entire twelve game seasons so far, especially coming
off Sunday's win, How do you assess the Seattle Seahawks
as a whole, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Elite defense and on balance.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Obviously, I think what Sam Darnold and Jackson Smith and
jig But have delivered in the passing game has been,
you know, obviously.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Extremely high level.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You'd love to see them be able to run the
ball better, and I don't know if that's the kind
of thing that's gonna come as the season goes along.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It seems like, you know, some of the issues with
that are up.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Front, but you know, and I think there's gonna be
questions hanging over Darnold because of the way last season
ended in Minnesota and the way he performed in what
was their biggest game of the year so far against
the Rams, And I think those questions are fair until
he he answers them in a different way, which he can.
I think, you know that a long field goal at
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the end of the Rams game goes in and we're
probably spending the last couple of weeks talking about, you know,
are the Seahawks the best team? Whereas that was the
conversation about the Rams till they stub their toe in
Carolina on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So you know, I think the.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Seahawks are excellent at a number of things. I think
you can poke holes as you can with any of
these teams this year.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If they if they could.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Establish something on the ground offensively, I think they'd be
extremely hard to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Tough schedule going down the stretch, Dwan. I mean, they
got a road game in Atlanta, and listen, it's it's
a road game. You're not facing Michael Pennix. But nonetheless,
you know, you never know what could happen. Then you
get the Colts at home, the Rams at home, and
close at Carolina and at San Francisco. So the schedule
makers did not do Seattle any favors towards the end
of the year. Is this something that you believe Mike
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McDonald and this team can navigate through these choppy waters upcoming?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, because they're they're they're part of what makes the
other team schedule tough, right, true?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean people are looking at oh, we got to
go to Seattle, like, I mean, nobody wants to play
that defense right now, and look, he's never gonna look
any better than you do.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And like Max Brozmer was just sort of up to
the task.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Undrafted rookie who hadn't played in the league, and you
know that that was sal did what it had to
do and did a good job.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
But yeah, no, I think they can play with anybody. Again,
that Rams game is a two point game.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
On the road, and both of their seasons looked very,
very different if it goes the other way. So the
rematch being in Seattle, I think will will certainly help.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And yeah, you got the road game.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Look, the Rams could tell you firsthand from what happened
two days ago. Those you don't take anything for granted.
I don't think anybody thought Carolina.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Would win that game, and they did, which obviously helps Seattle.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
But yeah, I think it's I think I think it's
a very good team, and I think, you know, if
they're able to beat the Rams and take care of
their other business, you're talking about a team that has
a shot to you know, take the one seed and
get home games in the in the postseason, which you
know that's going to finally get some people's attention.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Dan Graziano, senior NFL insider from ESPN on MJ in
the midday Sports Radio ninety three three KJRFM. How would
you assess in year two Mike McDonald and the fact
that he has this ridiculous road record of twelve and
two and just what he's meant in his impact here
from year one to year two one ten games last year, even.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Though the Rams did lie down that final game of
the year, we all.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Know that, but he did have a winning record nonetheless,
And what he's done in year two to kind of
build off of year one. What would you assess so
far of Mike McDonald.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I think we can objectively say he's an elite you know,
defensive mind and play caller. I mean the way they
play on defense, and you see it especially in this
second year, you know, with everybody familiar with the scheme,
just you know what he's able to do from a
game plan standpoint from week to week, and you know
the production they're getting at every level of the defense.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I think I don't think that surprises anybody.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
When you hire a young, first time head coach, you know,
the questions are about the rest of the stuff, like
can he be the central guiding voice in the building
that sets the tone and articulates the vision for the
entire team. And you know, it establishes, you know, the
way they want to play and make sure that they're
all held accountable to it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I mean, I think the early returns are good. I mean,
you say, won ten games last year, he has already
won nine this year. Proof is kind of in the
pudding here. So I think I'm impressed. I know, I'm impressed.
I think people around the league are impressed with what
he's been able to do here in the short term.
And yeah, I think you know, arrow up. I think
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it seems like it was a very good hire. There
are other teams that were after him. It was good
of Seattle to be able to get him when they did,
and I think there's plenty of.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Reason to be excited about the present and the future.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, a lot of people, Dan, I didn't talk
to you before the season, so I don't know where
you stand on this, and I know you'll be honest
on where you were. And a lot of people had
doubts of Sam Darnold, and justifiably so. I mean, listen,
a lot of people looked at maybe he was a
product of the Kevin O'Connell ecosystem in just this puppet
and listen, Sam Darnold has been actually I think better
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than advertised. Now, there was a couple of performances, the
most recent one being on Sunday for interceptions against the
Rams a few weeks ago. All that being considered, how
would you rank his season so far and assess it overall?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
In Seattle?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I don't hold Sunday against him because I was such
a weird, one sided game, and you have Brian Flores,
who's made better quarterbacks than Sam look look worse, and
who coached.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Against him in practice all last year, like it may
have had some sense of some tendencies, right, So I
don't hold that one against him.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Look, I think when you talk about.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Sam Donald in Seattle, the price was right right for
the risk, the level of risk they were taking, Like
he's coming off this big year, but.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Obviously it ended badly and there's all those years that
came before for it. Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
So they get him on this contract that's extremely reasonable
and really only ties them to him for this year.
I mean, they can get out of that contract with
nothing else uh to pay him after this season ends.
So I think Seattle was judicious with their quarterback decision
making in the offseason. They went to to Gino Smith
about an extension. They didn't feel like he was into that,
so they move on and they replace him with Sam.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And you know, it seems like Clint.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Kobiak has designed an offense that that plays to his strengths.
And you you're you're benefiting from an absolutely legendary wide
receiver season by your first round pick from a couple
of years ago. And obviously the connect with Sam's smart
enough to know, hey, let me find that guy, uh
and see if he can do something with it. So, yeah,
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I don't I would say he's probably performed about where
you would have expected. He has questions to answer that
that that pre date his time in Seattle, and un
fortunately one of them is beating the Rams in a
big game, because that's the team that knocked him out
of the playoffs last year, and obviously it was it
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was probably his worst game this season too, So fortunately
or fortunately or unfortunately, we'll find out he gets another
shot at him, maybe even two. And I think it's
you know, going into the season, man like I thought
the NFC West could finish in any order one to
four and it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Now, obviously Arizona.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Didn't get the memo, but the other three teams all
have nine wins. I mean, this is this is a legit,
like you know, awesome race here to the finish. So,
but Seattle's up to it and I would not be
surprised at all they turned out to be the best
team or three.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Dan Grazy on on MG in the midday trust factor
scale a one to ten and tell me, why do
you believe that Sam Darnold could potentially lead this team
to the Promised Land where they haven't been in over
a decade since Super Bowl forty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, So, I mean trust and believe are two like
significantly different words.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Right, Okay. I believe he has it in him, Okay, And.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I believe that that he can do it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
He's got the talent and I think, you know, if
he plays within the system they've set him up, and
you know, I think it can work. But I believed
that about him last year too, and he showed at
the end of the season that he is difficult to trust.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
And that's look, no one, no one can do it
until they do it right.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like John Elway was the guy that could never win
the Super Bowl and then he ends his career with
two in a row.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So I'm not comparing those players, but my point.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Is, you know until we see it happen, Like Matthew
Stafford wasn't a super Bowl winning quarterback until he got
to the Rams, So you have to be the right situation.
So far, it looks like Sam Dron was in the
right situation. I think this is a Seattle team that
if it's going to make a deep playoff run, if
it's going to make a super Bowl run, it will
center on the defense no matter who's playing quarterback. And
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I think the offense is going to have to do
what we've seen it do in its best games this year,
which is, you know, lean on the ability to you know,
to run the play action to find you know, Jackson
Smith and Jig.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But and again, I.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Really would feel better about the whole thing if I
thought they had a consistently productive run game. I think
that would help Sam as well. So yeah, I think
the way they're set up, it's hard to trust it
because I think they are asking a lot of their
passing game, especially.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
If they're going to be in playoff games where they're
gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Shoot out with other good offensive teams. But yeah, I
think he's capable for sure. It's just until we see
him do it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Those questions are justifiably going.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
To linger Tan Graziano here on MJ in the midday.
So since the Tampa game, it was a shootout and
end up kind of it shouldn't have been that way.
There was a trick play called Jalen Milroe pitch to
Kenny Walker and they Tampa Bay recovered it and then
the whole game the tenor of that game changed. But
since that game, the defense is minus point three to
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six epa per play. It's the best the Legion of
Boom ever had over that ration of games is minus
point two three. So there, you look at that and
you kind of put it in perspective that if you
have to, could this defense like the two Bucks, the
twenty thirteen Hawks, two thousand Ravens, could they potentially help
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lead this team and get them to where they want
to be at Super Bowl sixty in Santa Clara.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Twenty fifteen Broncos, right, the last vestiges.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of Peyton Manning. Yeah, I think it can be that
kind of defense. Now, I don't know if in twenty
twenty five you can do it with just defense. So
I do think they are going to need Donald in
the offense to deliver at a high level at some
point during this playoff run that we imagined for them.
But you know, the game against the Rams was the
worst game of the Stafford and McVeigh era in terms
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of yards per dropback for the Rams offense. Like this
is this defense is no joke, Like it's not fattening
up on easy opponents. It had a bad game against Tampa,
as you mentioned, I saw them the next week. I
was at the game of Jacksonville and they were dominant.
And that's a Jacksonville team that you know has held
up like they're.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
A pretty good team.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So yeah, I think the defense is going to be
miserable for anyone to play against, no matter who it is,
whether it's the Rams or the or the Eagles or whoever.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know, like any of these teams that are gonna
come out of the NFC.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
The question is if if they're not on point, if
they're not, if there's a game where they're not you know,
their best selves on defense, can the offense overcome it?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
And again I think it can, but until we see it,
I don't think I don't think there's good and I.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Think about a lot of the I think a lot
of the reason that people are slow to embrace the
idea of Seattle as one of the elite teams in
the league this year is because of the Darnold factor.
He's a guy that's been in the league now this
is his eighth year, and other than last year in Minnesota,
we have not seen him have success and we know
how that ended. So I think people, to use your
earlier word, don't trust it and probably won't until he
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proves them wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So in a trust factor one in ten ten being
the most where do you where do you stand?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
On Sam Donald?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Donald, I got to throw it right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I I gotta give you a five because we play
at a high level, but we haven't seen him play
at a high level in a really important game that
could that can sort of vault your season into something
more than it is. He had that opportunity in Detroit
at the end of last year, and certainly he had
it against the Rams in the playoffs, and those were
his two worst games of the year.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I think, again, it may be unfair, but and he.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
May make us all look silly and I think that
would be a great story if he did, but I
just don't. We got to see it first, and I
don't think he has that signature sort of career defining
win yet, So to hold that against him again, He
may come back, see how might come back and say
I'm being unfair, But I don't think it's I don't
think it's wrong to say I got to see it first.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And I think a lot of people here in Seattle
or way to you, Dan, and I might have a
little I might go six point five, but but I'm
with you and where until you do it? And like
you said, hey, listen, Matthew Stafford didn't do anything until
he got you know, with Sean McVeigh. And you know,
once he got there, then boom, super Bowl champs. Okay, fine,
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but we've got to see it, and we got to
see it in big moments. And and you know, one
of the things I will take if you go back
to that Tampa game, and that was you know, for
the defense that day they had, that was their mulligan.
But that being said, Dan, I looked at Sam Donald
that day and I said, oh, oh, you're ready to
get in a shootout with Baker Mayfield, and he was
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the one who picked up the defense that day. Now, so,
like you just said, if the defense isn't their best selves,
can Donald replicate that in January?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And that's a real defense Tampa Bay, And that's a
team that they may well see in January. It's a
division leader that's in the playoff every year. So yeah,
his ability to do that against them would serve him
well in a potential rematch. Like again, I don't want
anybody get the wrong idea. I think Seattle's got a
great team. I think you can make a case that
they have the best team. My point is that I
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think the reason that people are hesitant to go there
is because of trepidation that comes from everything we've seen
from Sam Darnold in his career up to this point.
And you know, it'd be really really cool story if
he proved them all wrong and ended up having this
this brilliant second act of his career that made up
for the first one. I think that would be awesome,
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And I think it's within the range of potential outcomes.
I just you know, as we've said, I just think
it's the kind of thing that you have to really
probably see to.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Trust no question, Dan, did you have on your Bingo
card after the Patriots lost the home opener to Gino
Smith and the Raiders that they would win eleven of
their next twelve, including Dan.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Games in a row with a second year QB and
Drake Meg Did you have that? Did anybody have that
other big old guard?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, I mean, look, we talked about could they be
a team that makes a quick turnaround because of Rabel
and a little bit of a soft schedule, But now
not this not one seed level, not going to Buffalo
and beat them. I was at their last loss, which
was a home game against Pittsburgh right in which they
turned the ball over five times, still only lost by
a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Pittsburgh finally was like, all right, fine, we'll take it.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But they haven't lost since. And look, coaching really matters.
You talk about the McDonald hire. Obviously he's a young
and a first time head coach, so you're taking a
little bit of a chance there. But Mike Drabel, like
the Patriots, No, he can coach. He's a guy that
won a lot of games with the Tennessee Titans. Uh,
And you know, I think what he's established there in
a short period of time, and yes, the way the
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quarterback is played obviously is a massive part of it.
But you know, Josh McDaniels, for all of his fail
as a head coach, is an excellent Patriots offensive coordinator
like that, like that's the right job for him. And
so I think you've seen it all come together in
a pretty cool way. And you know, people want to
ding them for the schedule. Obviously it's not their fault.
I mean, they played the Giants last night. The Giants stink,
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but I mean they crushed them like they didn't like
they don't play with their food. So yeah, it's fun.
We'll see what happens come playoff time, because it sure
looks like they're gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
There's one team dan in the NFL, not in these
Seattle Seahawks. There's one team that's undefeated at six and
zero on the road. It's the New England Patriots. I
mean wow, I mean wow.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Those games in Buffalo. Buffalos won the division what five
years in a row, So that's the team you have
to beat. They get them again, they get them at home,
and who knows, they can get them again in the playoffs.
And Buffalo's got more experience.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But you know they're not going to be scared, and yeah,
Vabel's got that bunch locked in.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, and Buffalo and Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Is there thing when you talk about trust factor, you
could apply that to a lot of quarterbacks in the playoffs.
I'm gonna throw one at you because he hasn't done
it in yet in the playoffs and he has a
losing record.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Lamar Jackson, how much do you trust him in the postseason?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Not as much as I wish I did, given how
great I think he is.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I mean last year, you know, I was there in
Buffalo and the Ravens team that I think had turned
it over like nine times all year goes in and
turns it over twice in the first half, including a
couple of bad ones by him. Yeah, I think that's
another one, right, Like I think Lamar Jackson is awesome.
I think he's one of the one of the most
breathtaking players we've ever seen. And I think it would
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be really cool to see him, you know, cap his
career at some point with a title. But the opportunity
two years ago, the home game against Kansas City and
the AFC Championship, not just to lose, but to just
just lay that kind of an egg in that situation,
that just it just feeds into all of the all
of the neg of things people want to say in
terms of can you win with a player like that
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at quarterback? Again, I think you can, but he has
yet to prove me right in the biggest possible moments.
So that team just looks off though, Like he doesn't
look fully healthy, he's not really running.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
The defense is a little inconsistent.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't know who wins that division, but nobody's even
over five hundred in that division anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
They should have been better than they are, and fortunately
Pittsburgh's given them an opportunity to kind of turn it around.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But we'll see if they take it. They didn't look
on Thanksgiving night like a team that.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Wanted to Is there a team out there that you
say before I let you go, that you could see
that not anybody has on their Bingo card or crystal
ball that could make a run to the super Bowl
that nobody's really looking at.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
And I'm gonna throw one at you and laugh all
you want. Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see. Still young, you talk about
quarterbacks that you don't know whether you.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Can trust right, Trevor Lawrence, My goodness, it's supposed to
be a lot better than this.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know. I'm about Houston.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
If they can get some consistency, they have an elite
defense right by you want to go way down the line.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't even know if they can make it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But did anybody pick up a better player in the
last couple of weeks than Joe Burrow? Like they're four
and eight, but they're two games out of first place
and they get Baltimore again, Like, could you win that
division with nine wins? Could you win that division with
eight wins and then get into the playoffs and be
playing your best.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Football of the year. It's a weird year, man, I
don't there's no one that's stay.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I mean the teams that stand out are like with
Record or Denver in New England, and Denver wins every
game by like two points.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
In New England, you know hasn't hasn't.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Really played anybody. So yeah, we'll see it should be
exciting a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, Dan Crasion will always like your stuff on
ESPN and see on Countdown, NFL Live all the shows
and appreciate you up and by and making time. Hopefully
the next time we talked to you, who knows, maybe
the Seahawks will have wrapped up the one seed and
getting ready for.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
A buye who knows.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Good, Very good times, Dan, very good, Thanks again for
joining us. Appreciate it, all right, thank you? All right,
Dan Graziano. You know what he's He's not wrong, and
you know, we could throw this out there and and
we'll continue to look at that and debate it and
analyze it in terms of trust factor when you go
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into that postseason. I mean, I think even me saying
six and a half on a scale of one to ten,
the trusting Sam Darnold kind of might be overrating that
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I might.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I don't know, but I hope on the one thing
about it is that now is his opportunity to prove
everybody wrong, including the world, just like Stafford did four
years ago in LA with the Rams. Now's your time.
You have one of the greatest defense is that we've
seen come down the pike in the last twenty five years.
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And I don't think I'm going on being a hyperbolic
by saying that. Two thousand Baltimore, two thousand and two
Tampa twenty thirteen. Well that entire legion of Boom era
twenty twelve through twenty sixteen and then twenty fifteen Broncos.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, they were nasty.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
That's the reason Peyton Manning has two rings and not one,
because he sure as hell didn't do anything to win
that Super Bowl for them. But this Seahawks defense is
that damn good. But what happens if you get into
a situation like that Bucks game where all of a sudden,
the d just doesn't show up that day for whatever reason,
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the opposing team's offensive coordinator just seems to get them
off guard.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Can you rely on Sam Darnold to lead this team
in January? That's what it takes, all.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Right, Well, come back thanks to Dan Graziano, kid, great
job there out of you, and we'll come back and
the what do you say?
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Text of the day.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Can't wait to refresh my texting and get a verification
code and go through you know what I would do
to apply for a home loan. We'll be getting your
text though, I will. We will get to your text.
We promised we will get to them at four nine,
four or five to one.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
For the what do you say? Text of the Day,
coming up next. All right, what do you say?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Text of the day, brought to you by bores said Boresaid,
committed to craft.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Since nineteen oh five.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
All right, this is uh. I love this one. I
believe in Sam Darnold. I also believe in Bigfoot in
Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That's funny.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Folks are always hype on Lamar Jackson. He's not so
great in the playoffs. No one gives a crap what
you do in the regular season. If you stink in
the playoffs, all I don't care about your yards or MVPs.
Show me Lamar's playoff record. Nobody is as hard on
him as you guys are on Donald. Well, Donald has
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only been to the playoffs one time in his career.
Lamar has been there five times in his career, so
there's a larger sample size in terms of you know,
and Lamar is a bigger playoff failure than Donald because
he's been there more times, but he hasn't done it either.
You're not wrong, like you're right, You're you're absolutely right, Texter,
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you're right. And playoff Lamar is a thing, and he
always and some of it's not his fault.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Mark Andrews drop last year against Buffalo, but he's also
been bad in some games too, And as Dan mentioned
the game a couple of years prior to that, when
Buffalo turned the ball over two times in the first
half and Baltimore couldn't capitalize, he's I don't know what
it is, man, I don't know what is Some guys
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they show up small in big situations, and you know
what I need guys who are gonna do it when
it counts the most.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Lane Kiffin's daughter is beautiful and the cool thing is
her first name is Landerie, which is my last name.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
So when my son.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Marries her, her name will be Landerie Landerie. Okay, I
would love to be invited to that wedding. I would
love to be invited to that wedding. That would be
a fun wedding to go do.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Hey, Mark, you know what's disappointing is your best right
guard option is Anthony Bradford.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
What a joke.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
What's worse is Mike keeps praising him for his effort
and says he does things right and sometimes he makes
mistakes but it's correctable. Just saying it's week fourteen and
we are still seeing the same thing. But I think
if you're gonna say that, realize that my McDonald doesn't play.
He shipped guys out right for worse, and you're not
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gonna try. You're not gonna trash your players publicly. And
even if he's not, he's just gonna cut you. If
he was that bad, he would have made it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Obviously, maybe they tried to make a deal and they didn't.
It didn't work out. But my McDonald has shipped guys
off for not playing well. Leaviscus Chanoda is a great example.
He fumbled the football and was off the team the
next week. I'm just so I know my McDonald might
not call out players, but he has no problem with
getting rid of you. I think it's simple. Every week
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in practice, Anthony Bradford wins the job. It's really that simple.
Based on what we're seeing, he wins the job. Now
does he go out and make bad plays?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Sure he does. Yeah he does. And you know, people, well,
how can we haven't you know upgrade that?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, they upgrade the left guard position and hopefully the
right guard next year in the draft. And you mentioned
about the kid from Penn State. Someone said he's from
South Sound, so good it would be a homecoming for him.
That would be great. Uh, where is this, MJ. Why
do you compare the defense today to that of when
we played Tampa Bay? How many starters do we have
out that game? It's not a comparison. Well, I'm doing
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the totality of the entire season.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
We can't pick and choose and be like you know,
Seahawks have had starters out of every game defensively, I
mean Julian Love was.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The last time he played last year against the Rams
when they lay down. I don't even remember the last
time he played. It's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So but this defense, no matter who's in there, Okada,
Thomas's freaking guy, O'Connell, O'Donnell, Patrick o'cyle, Where did he
come from? But the one thing about Mike McDonald which
cannot be overstated is that no matter who's in there,
they're gonna play as if they are LB one, D
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E one, D L one, CB one S one. That's
like he gets them ready to play, no matter who's
hurt and who's healthy, he always has them ready to play.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Huskies will be in the playoffs next year. We're going
to be the best or second best in the Big ten.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Just you watch.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Uh yeah, by the way, kid, did they release the
Vikings release Brosmoor yesterday?
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I didn't see that they released Adam Thelen. No, no, no, no, no,
no no, he said, all right, it's the text line.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So let let me let me just check this to
me to see because I'm like I thought I would
have saw that if they.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Released brosmer No text line.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Come on, no, they didn't release them. They released Adam Theelen.
They didn't release him anyway.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
All right? Uh yeah, that you know what.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Listen, man, you want to see someone do it. That's
the bottom line.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Um, MJ. I guess that.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh on the fifty yard line doubles for how many
times you dub will make the BCS playoffs as a
member of the Big ten Go Ducks.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Forget poor can't wait until they get rolled in the
playoffs yet again.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yes, that's true. A couple of things ragging on my singing,
which is great, MJ. Stick to the picking the locks man.
That was painful to listen to. Love the show, but man,
leave the singing to the pros. This is hilarious because
I love this movie. Dirk Diggler sang better in Boogie
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Knights than MJ just did. That says a lot and
a couple more. Kid, you're not winning any singing competitions,
my friend, he puts signing competitions.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
But I know what you meant and great now my
dog is howling. I love when Mark Wahlberg saying in
Boogie Nights, we will right.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Oh my god, that was so funny him and John
c Riley, who's a very underrated actor, in that scene
when they were trying to uh where they were trying
to cut a record?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Was that couldn't have been funnier.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Darnold's seeing ghost because Badford is blocking ghost.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Ah. I like that.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Kilani Sataki would be dangerous at Penn State. He's a
good coach and when you can be highly successful at
Navy and BYU, he would fit in perfectly in the
Big ten.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No, I don't disagree. I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I Kilani Sataki's a very very good head coach and
in Penn State because I'm starting to wonder, like Penn State,
who you hiring, who's out there? Who's left? And I
still think there's a I still think there's a chance.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Last one from me. Everyone has to believe in something
I believe I'll have a drink after listening to all
this Laane Kiffin nonsense.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I know what made it even worse was the fact that,
you know, I was checking out, like I said, his record.
He's five and six against top ten teams, and he's
thirteen and twenty five against top twenty five teams in
his entire career. So I'm not saying he's not a
good coach because he is. Look what he did at all,
miss the last three years. Oh miss we're talking about
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But when you look at those numbers, you're like, wow,
I mean, let's just why do I have a feeling
that this is going to end in and badly for
LSU and Lane Kiffin. I just I just feel I
just feel like it will keep shooting from the hip.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
MJ.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You're full of it. Oh well, he said something nice,
he said something mean.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
JL said, husky poll smokers think you w will be
better than Ohio State, Indiana, Oregon, and Michigan.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah right, lol, And the last one same to you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Happy holidays all right there, It is Happy holidays to
you and your family as well.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
We'll talk to the mayor of Maple Valley coming up next.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Thanks again at Dan Graziano and Hugh Millan for joining
us tomorrow, Rhys Davis and Mike Dugar. We'll be on
with MJ in the midday with me and kids, so
we're looking forward to that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And again credit to me and Lee Sterling.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
The Pros beat the Joe's on the tag team picking
Molock's competition. We beat Softie and Dick last night when
I came through on the Patriots first half team total over,
so you know they were close though close, but as
the late great mean gene Oakerland once said, close so
only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Crosstalk next layer, he's in the house. Uh can I
(32:13):
just ask you this?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Why this All Star break layoff between Kraken games? Well,
I mean they what happened? They used to have the
bye week member kind of in the NHL, but they
can't do that anymore, Okay, with with with the Olympics
and they compact. So all it is is they're off Sunday,
Monday Tuesday. They're off four days, which is which is
probably I think is the longest stretch.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Of the air. But it's just weird.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Why why I don't know, because I look at the
rest of December and I feel like I'm working in
every other day.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
They needed practice time. By the way, look what I
brought for you. This is this is kind of it.
I'm being a jerk. I shouldn't do this, so I
got today. There you go, your favorite team. See what
that is, well, little Jeremiah Love Love Oh oh, it's
mins it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
It's candies.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
It's what big schools do when they're trying to promote
somebody for the Heisman.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Oh okay, but.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Washington, I'm talking to you when you didn't promote Pennix.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah yeah, but by the way, this year, I don't think.
I don't.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
It's been the most lackluster Heisman. I I can't say
who I'm voting for. I like him anyway. You didn't
have to send me the little candies.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
But oh they said that to you. Yeah, oh, Dice,
you get a vote?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Oh cool?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I think I I mean Mendoza. Well, I think Mendoza wins. Okay,
they beat Ohio State. Here's the thing, they're the quarterbacks
that are all being talked about. Julian saying Bernana Mendoza,
Diego Pavia, Ty Simpson. Those guys are all in the
top five and passing efficiency and stuff like that in NANCA,
so they're all up there. I don't think Julian saying's
(33:40):
at me personally doesn't feel like a heisman.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Not anybody really does this year.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
I think Love Love has had his He's the best
player probably, but he didn't think gainst Miami. No, but
his numbers are now. I mean, I know he's less
than two hundred carries, he's thirteen hundred yards, the eighteen
touchdowns on the ground like pretty No, No, he's he's
and he's a game breaker for them, Like he's a
game breaker. He's won games for them with runs. But
(34:08):
I would say Diago Diego Pavia is like looking at
what he's done numbers wise, but then elevating a program
that was the doormat of the SEC for all those years.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
What about Mendoza with Indiana Ian.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
But Indiana was a playoff team with out Mendoza.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
A fair point to Shee, You're not wrong, but I
think Mendoza has well. See here's the thing. He has
a chance to have a highst moment. He already did.
Yeah against Penn State and Oregon.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Right, but that like those to me, that Penn State
when they were I think, I mean to me, it's
it's to me, it's that was like insane.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Those are those the guys worth? I mean, if Mendoza,
if Indiana beats Ohio State then and Mendoza has a game,
like it's not like hey, a couple of pick sixes
or whatever. Like if it's Mendoza helps lead them to
a win Overhouse date ATEN title games, then it's you know,
Poby can't do anything to help himself. No, if can't
do anything to help himself, they're not playing this weekend. Again,
I don't think saying is Simpson is I guess a
(35:09):
little bit of a wildcard. What if he goes for
it goes and it won't happen. But what if he
throws for three bills against Georgia, right and they win
that SEC title game? Then you have that conversation. So
I mean it's but it is it is different like
if you're saying like there isn't the guy, there isn't
there aren't Like there's not like this great debate like
last year there was a debate, right, like like Travis
(35:30):
Hunter people loved him because he went both ways. But
cam Ward, cam Ward had a hell of a season.
I thought Scataboo was I mean, Scataboo got a team
from the Group of five and the or from Arizona State.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Gabriel, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I thought Ashton Genty last year had an incredible year.
Gabriel Gabriel, Yeah, I never I know, Gabriel got love.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
I I mean, my my, I went.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I went Gentee Wards Scataboo last year.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
That's why I went.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
And people lost their mind because I didn't vote for
Travis Hunter. They lost their mind. And I, as I
pointed out, I thought all three of the guys I
voted for deserved to be in New York. And it's
not like the Baseball Hall of Fame, where like there's
gonna be unanims. There's never unanimous picked for the Heisman.
So so that one vote he was going to be there,
probably win it. I thought Scataboo, Genty, and Ward all
(36:20):
deserved to be there. And I thought that they all
I thought they all deserved to be a finals for
the for the Heisman. As it turns out they all were. Yeah,
So it could have been that bad a ballot but boy,
oh Colorado fans, oh oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Mean I would have voted for Travis Hunter. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
I I also think I I have a you know,
I voted for Penix two years in a row. Oh second,
second one. I voted one vote them one two years
ago and second the year before.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
And you know how much that would pay me? Right?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
No, I try to tell Colorado fans you know I
was a racist.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
I was this, I was that.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
And I said, listen, man, I take this, I look
at it, and I'm being honest with you. I said,
you're not like that voter that that woman like, oh
South Florida. She ranked Florida over usf After Florida. It
was different like if you're one of if you're one
of fifteen or one of twelve, and then that one
vote carries out much more weight than Yeah, then there's
(37:16):
no doubt. I'm gonna say I would, but I would
have had. I think I actually had Ward one, to
be honest with you, Okay, wedding Ward one. I like that,
and that and that pained me, I would imagine because
it was former two years ago. I know, I know,
I'm gonna say, is tonight, Hey, hey, you know what.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I put this out there and listen, and I know
it's not the NFL, But in the NFL you have
a true meritocracy. And if you look at the tiebreaker
between two teams to make the playoffs or three teams
to make the playoffs, first tile is head to head.
And tonight, if college football in about three hours, if
college football drops the ball, the integrity of the game,
(37:51):
and there's even.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Say you're making you're trying to make. You're trying to
convince yourself. You're trying to convince yourself that college football,
after all we've seen the seventy two hours, makes any
common sense at all. You're trying to convince yourself of that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Don't do that. You're gonna drive yourself from nuts. But
I know, let me, yeah, let me just pick up
I'm prepared for the worst.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
I need you do.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Pick up a phone and call somebody from Ole Miss
all right, and you guys can can talk about the
ills of college football together for hours. Right, you think
about it like as mad as you are about my way.
If Sataki leaves, Yeah, that's an interesting one though, because
I think that he would be allowed to coach. No,
it's different You're not going to a conference rival, right, right,
(38:32):
You're not going to a conference rival, I think.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
But some Rawle's coaching. You know he's going to be coaching.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's different group of five
to a power five. Yeah, not a conference rivals. It's
the most hated rival. Not in Mississippi State like there was.
There's zero change. And honestly, he Sataki's not taking a
bunch of dudes from BYU that are Mormon that go
to b YU because it's BYU to go to Penn State. No,
that's the other difference.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
And I think that I think the.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Mormon thing is gonna help. It's to help you, y
you maybe keep him there. The tie for the church,
for someone who was of the faith, having covered games
and work there and everything else is a very strong tie.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Well, they got money with a Crumble ceo who is
getting involved.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, hey, man, go buy some cookies. You're a b
YU fan, go buy yourself some of those those.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Man. Wow, the Crumble ceo is getting involved. All bets
are out.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
And then on the Marriott's getting involved. The I mean
they're they're Mormon. Yeah, they got some money, dude, they
got whoa wow, Hey, nobody can out b b yu
b yu want.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
AJ Debondsa is gonna be a top maybe the number
one pick in the Nbah.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
He goes, it's not because of money, No, it's because
of the job. Okay, because they can't. They will write
a check under the table. His tithing goes away, like,
don't worry about your ten percent.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
You're good.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Yeah, who do you got to we're checking coup guys
will talk to us coming up at.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And then John London at two o'clock.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
The way I'll say this man Kid and I Kid
Kid was the highest on them in the preseason to
San Francisco forty nine ers. You cannot kill them, no,
there they are as cock road they are. Yeahn't kill them, no,
they just if you kill one, they mutate and they
just they reproduce.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Because that happened with Boson and were they're still there.
They're still and then look up, Oh my god, they're
unbelief makes him unbearable. We'll do it anyway a two
o'clock
Speaker 4 (40:18):
All right, h the mayor coming up next,
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