December 23, 2025 • 32 mins
Hugh Millen is back for his weekly visit to talk all things Seahawks, but before that the duo discuss a little NBA regarding Larry Bird, plus much more. You never know what you'll get when these two. The NFL Power Rankings are out but how far will the San Francisco 49ers and Los Angeles Rams fall?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hugh, did you ever, I would imagine in your.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time you must have gone to the old Gadden to
see to see a Bruins game, back to see Ray.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went to game seven against the
Bruins against the Canadians. Saw McDonough as was my neighbor
and and he invited me to go as actually the
first time we ever kind of went out to dinner,
went to that that game. Yeah. And then Larry Bird
had this notable famous this this seven uh the game
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seven against the Pacers. Do you remember when he fell
on his face and uh uh in the in the
second quarter, and everybody was, you know, thought that that
he had broke his cheekbone. That was the word going.
It was dead silent, and the Pacers were up, you know,
they just they just expand their lead. They were up
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about fifteen to eighteen points something. Chuck person, Man, Chuck person. Yeah,
anybody I'm talking. You could google this. Yeah, it was.
It was too electric to even describe. And Bird then,
who hadn't been seen in it since I don't know
the middle of the second quarter. Maybe you can correct
me on the details, but he comes like like early
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fourth quarter, he comes running out of not walking. He
comes running out of the locker. The place just goes
freaking crazy. They throw him in the game and it's
like he's playing against high school guys. He is dropping
every dime. He's it's just like faking guys. Leyands, you know,
three points mid you know, assists, like all this crazy stuff.
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And not only do they come back, they run the
pacers out of the gym, and and and you know,
the next day Shaughnessy and all these goes. That was
one of the greatest bird you know, legend moments of
all And the Celtics hook me up with front row
of that you know, that second gate the second second level.
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You know, first that was pretty good, but the first
row of the second level is even better. You're looking
right down on it. The Celtics hooked me up with
first row of the second of the second level. So
I had like basically as good as seats as you
could have. And I'm just watching this, I'm like, you
gotta be kidding me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And and by the way, at the time, the lake great.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Johnny Moost, what they did the bird, I can't believe
that past what a dirty Thomas lamp bearer. I I
got that should be arrested, Johnny most Uh, yeah it was.
That was the Hey.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hugh A one time.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm watching the news and and look, I'm just a
piss hand in the history of of of pro sports,
like not even a mist in the ocean. I get it,
I know, just a hack back up. But I'm watching
the news and they're they're doing a Celtic highlight. This
is like one of the network news is and Bird
catches a rebound and he does a full length and
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the announcer goes, uh, here Bird makes like Hugh Millan
throwing full court uh to Reggie Lewis, who makes like
Irving Fryar and and I go, oh my god, oh
my god, somebody just just compare me to Bird.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Hey Hugh, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I'm gonna give you the ultimate quote by one of
the greatest coaches in basketball history, pat Riley.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You ready for this?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Pat Riley quoted saying, if I want, if I need
a shot to win a title, I'm picking Michael Jordan.
If I need a shot to save my life, I'm
picking Larry Bird.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh my god, like my drop, my drop? Are you wow?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know this? This is a uh this is I'm
trying to remember his name now, Oh my god, who
he had? He had played for the head coach of
the Hawks. Come on, uh, played for the Celtics. He
was the head coach of the seventy six ers. Duck Rivers,
Duck Rivers, Oh yeah, Dodgs, Yeah yeah, and my travels
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and bought. You know, I'm not going to get into details,
but I bumped into him and and I don't say
he knew who I was, but he knew I quarterbacked
the Patriots, and and so we had had a lot
of conversation, and I remember vividly one time we're talking.
He goes, you know, read Urbach had this thing that
you know, for decades and decades, he said, when we
evaluate a prospect, we give them an athlete grade, which
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is all their jumping, running, quickness, on what have you.
And we give them a basketball grade, which is their
ball handling, their shooting, and their instincts. Right, they're just
feel for basketball, he said. We drive right right down
the middle. He says, in their entire history of of
scouting all prospects, the lowest athlete grade they ever gave
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a legit prospect in their entire history. This is Doc
Rivers talking about red ironback in the whole system. So
the lowest athlete grade we ever gave any prospect was
Larry Bird. Wow, he looks at me, he goes. The
highest basketball grade we ever gave any prospect in the
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entire history of the Celtics was Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That is awesome. I mean, hey, outh of Doc Rivers,
bro Well, hey, listen. I got into it and for
those of you you have to YouTube it. When I
was young in elementary school and my father got me
hooked on the NBA. And I'll never forget from the
mid eighties to the mid nineties, but I remember the
mid to late eighties for like three out of four
years it was Celtics versus the Lakers, and it was
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just there will never be a better NBA ever. And
I don't care if you were living in a cornfield
in Iowa, you watched the Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin McHale,
Robert Parrish, former Sonic Rest in Peace, Dennis Johnson, and
you watched them versus Magic Kareem Worthy Byron Scott, Kurt Rambis.
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You watched it and it was just during that I
mean that's why they've done you know, twenty five documentaries
thirty for thirty on the Celtics Lakers, and they still
can't do enough.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And it was awesome. It was I mean, like, who
didn't live that through that time? So being a huge
Sonic fan living in Seattle, Now you look this up
on Basketball Reference or whatever Google. Before Magic got drafted
in eighty right, because last year Misgian state was seventy nine.
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The Sonics had been and had had a higher ranking
in the Pacific Division than the Lakers for four of
the five previous years. You got me.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So when you're my, you know, a teenager, you know,
the five years seems like a damn long time if
you're thirteen or fourteen years old. Right, I'm like, wait
a minute, the Lakers are trash. You know, they had
they had had Jabbar, but they didn't have much else
around him. Right, And so when when uh, and then
the Sonics won the title in seventy nine, when they
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got Magic Johnson, It's like wait a minute, no, no, no,
we're the Sonest You're just the Lakers, right, just the Lakers. Yeah,
And so I despised the Lakers because they took from
Seattle what had been Seattle's that's the way of fourteen
year old thinks, right. And when Dennis Johnson, who was
you know, when he went to the Celtics, you know,
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the former Sonic, there was that and other reasons why
I love the Celtics. I hated the Lakers, sure, with
the worst passion. I hated the Lakers. I'm with you
recognize they're brilliance. And even when I was a drafted
the Rams in Orange County, h I got the ticket
whatever the package on my cable that I had to
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see the Lakers. So I watched them every night and
of course during shot and showtime, and there was a
brilliance to them, even though I despise them. Anyways, what
are we going on the air?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
All right? Hey? Uesday Tuesday? Well you mill go on.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There is the there is the organic nature of radio.
When obviously we're we want to talk about the Seattle Seahawks,
and we just get into a thing and we mentioned
Boston Bruins and then we get into Celtics Lakers, and
there we go. All right, Seattle Seahawks, Hugh, before we
talk about them, your thoughts on how when everybody's sitting
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here and we're talking about Seahawks, Rams and Rams Seahawks
and oh, by the way, let's not forget about that
team in northern California, better known as the San Francisco
forty nine Ers, who last night went on the road
and dropped nearly half a hundred against the Cult. Hugh,
what's your thoughts right now on this forty nine ers
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team and how the Seahawks and that Week eighteen matchup
is looming?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Oh my god, Yeah, they were the forty eight ers
last night.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I good one.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm very concerned. You know, I think that they're just
kind of finding themselves. You'd had Kittle had been out
some you know, they've they've lost their receivers, they've figured it,
but somehow, you know, Brock Purdy has a very unique
brand of quarterbacking and and it's where you say he
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doesn't have overwhelming physical traits. Obviously that's why he was
mister irrelevant. But you know, as they're saying, I think
Ryan Clark said, what do you call him? The you
the aggression that uh and the you know, the I'm
sorry I'm kicking this, but whatever it was, it was
it was like, you don't understand this guy is bloodthirsty
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for getting chunk chunk plays like he is constantly looking
down the field and pushing the ball, Like Kyle Shannon,
if you really uh you know fall is and I
have because it's intrigued the hell out of me. Kyle Shannon,
you can't say Kyle Shanahan. First of all, let's just
almost like postulate this like like a math process. If
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if we can acknowledge Kyle Shanahan is one of the
top offensive minds in the football, can we do that
like like.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That pretty much?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Okay? Then and if he chose to cut Trey Lance loose,
you know, after barely even seeing him, he says, oh,
you broke her ankle. Guess what, I know, you're the
third pick in the draft and we we spent two
number ones on you, but I seen enough, brock perty
is my guy? Like think about that?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Irrelevant?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I know? So the guy they drafted him in the
same year it was like the Gus Farraud and he's
Schuler like it was like RG three and and Kirk
Cousins Like those are just teams that they drafted their
their dude at the top of the first round and
then they just get an afterthought late Trey Lance was
the third pick with this overwhelming skill set. Huge dude.
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I watched him in North Dakota State. I mean on
third there, they're third down running. They just ran quarterback
power like he was a a monster. And Kyle Shanner said, no, thanks,
give me this little six foot one, you know, guy
that can't run and he's got a lollipop arm. And
and what Kyle shannon Is said is, listen, I don't
want a game manager. That is not my vision of
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an offense. We're not looking for game manager game managers.
Manager he sees, he sees Rock Purdy as a dude
who is going big game hunting on a constant basis.
And so there and say, okay, well he doesn't have
a strong arm. How does he do that? He does
it with impact, like next level anticipation, next level anticipation.
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And and he will he will just uh, by the way,
your dog, I know, I know that it's the dogs
are co signing. You know what they said, yeah, tell
him tell him dad, Yeah right, And so so he
will he will have a deep in round, a dagger round, okay,
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And and he will put his back foot in the ground.
And you know, I'm gonna pause the story because uh,
and I'm gonna tell a story about Dan Fouts, who,
in my opinion of all the great quarterbacks, I'm not
a big Dan Fouts fan. He went. I thought he
when I was a kid, I thought he had the
nastiest mechanics, Like there's smooth and then there's not smooth.
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And Dan Fouts embodied not smooth. But that dude had
incredible anticipation and he had he had played under Ernie's
MPZI and I played under Ernie's MPZI in North Turner.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So and by the way, Hugh, I want to ask
you a question after you make your point, and it's
about your time in Dallas and a quote recently made
by Michael Irving, but finish your point, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah. So like I could go to Dan fouc
Hey three seven zero f soup up eight forty four,
lucky Ricky, like all the terminology that he would know
from his great years in San Diego. And he had
one time said to me, he goes, I could throw
that that eight route, that skinny post. He goes, I
had the perfect arm strength for that skinny post. Because
this was going to be self deprecating on behalf of him.
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He goes, I could throw it as hard as I could,
and it had just the right arc to get it
over the hook zone defender right into that that space.
And you know he's taking a shot at himself that
he had a weak arm, but he threw it so
damn early and then it had just you know the
right amount of arc even though he was thrown it
as hard as he could. Like ask a golfer, would
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you would golfer rather have a wedge at one twenty
one thirty or would he other rather have a wedge
at fifty five? Well, I'll tell you one, you know,
one ten, one twenty every time right over over fifty
five because because you because if you throw fifty fifty
five yard wedge, you gotta you gotta take something off
of it, you know, one hundred and ten. If you
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get the right loft, you can take a nice bull
swing right. And so what Fouts was saying is I
can throw it as hard as I can, and but
it had a nice little arc to it, and it
you know, it turns out, you know, you get a
big strong arm, uh uh, you know, rocking on like
lway or something, trying to take that touch on the ball.
Now you know it's a little bit harder for him.
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So rock perties like Fouts unbelievable in anticipation and and
then you know, just he's gonna throw an ar key ball.
That was a term my wife. Once you use, I
can't get it out of my head, you know, to
describe a you know, his age. She was describing a quarterback.
She wasn't impressed with. Go Well, passes are kind of archie,
you know, And I'm like archie. Now I knew what
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she meant, right, but it was like the ball just
kind of had a lollipop loop to it. But they're
you know, if you take if you if you take
it from Fouts, you know, that can be a benefit
in it. And I see that in in Purty. So
all right, I got there there there they're a house. Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I got to ask you the question your former teamate
you were you were in Dallas, and listen before I
before I give you this quote, let's understand about Michael Irvin.
He will he's a loyalist and he will always you know.
So he was on Dan Patrick recently and he was asked,
you know, whether he would go for Mahomes over Akman.
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Michael Irvan was quoted as saying, no, I won't take
Patrick Mahomes over Troy Aikman. I won't take nobody over
Troy Aikman, including mom, dad, sister, brother, niece, nephew, and
my own family. Then Dan Patrick asked with a chuckle,
not even Tom Brady and Irvin's hit right back. Nope, nobody,
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Denny what goes on to say, there's nobody I would
take over Troy Aikman because I think Patrick Mahomes is great.
He makes a second play, a third play, but Troy
is the best timing throwing quarterback in the history of
this game. When North Turner got here and said, you've
got that third step and let that ball go, hit
that fifth step and let that ball go, it became
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perfect and it was unstoppable. I will take no one
at the quarterback position over Troy Aikman. And ready for
this one, not even Jesus himself. End quote Michael Irvin.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And by the way, Hugh, I will.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
See Michael Irvin in Dallas on Wednesday night, and I
will say, Michael, you and your left pinky nail that
you just cut off as more and forgotten more about
football than I will ever know. And I know you're
a loyalist and I love you today. But I hey
and so, I was talking about this with a buddy
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of mine yesterday and Heugh, he agreed with me, and
he knows football. We grew up in New England together.
I'm listen to take nothing away from Troy Akman. I'm
not gonna go two stats. But he only threw for
twenty touchdowns in the season once in his whole career.
He was part of a great team because of the
greatest coach slash general manager in the history of the
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NFL coach slash g M.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Jimmy. Yes, sure, thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So we agree upon that, right, Hugh, Uh yeah, A
lot there, Yeah, right, hold on, no, I'm not done yet.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I would take Dan Marino eight days a weekend, ten
times on Sunday over Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Uh, well, I think Dan Marino was a better passer
of the football. Here's the thing about Troy. You know,
I played because I played with Elway right after playing That's.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right, and I would take Lway like a thousand days
a week over here here.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well here, here's here's what I would say about Troy.
Troy was not a good off script quarterback, right. It
had everything had to be right. He was like a
structured guy. I bet you if you go into his house,
he's one of those guys that and and I love Troy,
so nothing I'm about to say, if I if I
sound like I'm disoyed, disparaging Troy Aikman, I have screwed
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up in my communication. Okay. If you went to his
house and while he was, you know, getting you a drink,
you just took the picture frame and you'd like turned
it cockye, like three degrees. He would be one of
those guys that would come back hand you your drink
and then he'd you know, and then like thirty seconds
later he would notice that the frame and he'd walk
over and he'd put it back three degrees. Everything has
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to be totally structured in detail. If so, If so,
you've heard of Iron Byron. That's my second golf reference
of the day. You've heard of Iron Byron, the robot
that tests golf clubs that can just has the perfect
swing over and over. Troy's like Iron Iron. If you
put him in a situation with good people around who
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protect him so he doesn't have to scramble, and everybody's
exactly where they're supposed to be. Like I'll give an
example with Michael and Troy. There's some teams that you say, okay,
you're gonna run a comeback. What Troy and Michael will
call five eighty five five routes on each side, the
eight seam read down the middle, five eighty five. That's
three digits, okay. And if you said to Michael, hey,
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how did five eighty five do for you, he'd be
get a He's gonna get a big smile, so ask
him so. But a lot of teams will say, hey,
you know, go to sixteen to twenty yards A what
a what if? The if the souldier if it's a
press bale, and and the corners playing knees in outside leverage, well,
attack is outside leverage. You're like, like all these variables.
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What what NorVa would say is no me f that
he says, I want you. I don't care where the
corner is. You go straight up the field perpendicular to
the line of scrimmage. That doesn't matter if he's inside leverage,
outside leverge, whatever, and you don't go until you turn
his hips like they teach in the West Coast offense,
you go to exactly seventeen and a half yards and
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it doesn't matter whether the corner is tight or whether
he's way off. You go to seventeen and a half
yards every time. If Troy thinks the guy squatting, which
is like, you know, not honoring the deep ball, then
he'll throw it to the swing route. And then next
time we'll do we'll do a go route. But you
do not. You just do it exactly like you did
routes on air back in May and then and so
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what Troy is like, I know where these guys are
going to be because they're going to be in the
exact same spot on the football field as they in
a game as they were routes on air back in March.
And so that was the beauty of the system. It
fit Troy's Troy's personality, and it fit his skill set.
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So Troy could, Yes, he had dan fauci and anticipation,
that is true, but he could drive the football, had
a stronger arm than than than fouls and so from
that standpoint, his accuracy. Remember now, accuracy is not static.
A pitcher has static accuracy hit the mid uh a
quarterback has dynamic ad accuracy. You got to hit a
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moving target. You got to lead him up the field,
and you gotta If it lands twelve inches in front
of the numbers, it's because the quarterback's brain processed that
moving target. And and for Troy, if he said, hey,
I know exactly where he's gonna be, I will lead
him into that spot and and it'll look it'll look
like I hit the spot the size of a coffee month.
And so it was all it all worked together. Everything
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he set is through. Last time I saw Mike, we
had about seven together.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'm gonna mention your name, Michael. I'll tell you this
right now. Michael has done this to me in public.
He did it on Saturday after the Canes win in Texas,
A and m He kissed Mario Crystal Ball on the cheek.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
He does that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He likes you.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He done that to me in public on radio Row.
Michael and I and he might not want to do this.
If we beat Ohio State next Wednesday night in Dallas,
I'll kiss Michael Irvin on the lips if he lets me.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, he's uh, he's the hardest. I'll just close with this. Yeah,
I played with you know when you're a journeyman. You
played with ninety three Pro Bowl players, and I think
I counted sixteen Hall of famers, maybe there might be more.
I gottak. I will say this, and I'll and I'll
say it unequivocally. Michael Irvin is the hardest working football
player of any player I ever was around. And I could,
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I could talk for half an hour about all the
evidences that would support that claim. And hey, Hugh, he's
a complex dude. He's not just some you know, some
dude just trying to slide. No, that guy whoa Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He laid And so are you with your announcement. I
love how when I plan on doing something and and
and uh. And that's what's great about radio. It can
go in a completely organic way. We'll talk to you
next Tuesday Day. Tuesday, we will speak to Mike Betton
Nunn or meet the Kraken coming up next.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
When I saw that quote by Michael, first of all,
I respect and admire Michael Irvan's loyalty to his QB,
and his QB was Troy Aikman, And I get that
would there are twenty quarterbacks, maybe twenty five without even
blinking or thinking that I would take over Troy Aikman
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by far and away, not even close. I don't even
have Troigman. He's a fringe Hall of Famer in my opinion.
He was part of a great and I'll give him
the one thing I will say about Troy Aikman. He
was at his best in the biggest games. That part
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I will say about Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I just no way.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Dan Marino, not even close, Warren moon Tony even get
me started. John Elway, we could go down the line.
You were part of a wagon built by the greatest
coach slash general manager in NFL history, Jimmy Johnson who
fleees the Minnesota Vikings on the herschel Walker deal. But
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you're nowhere near that level of quarterback. But he's in
the Hall of Fame, so kudos to him. Shows Joe
Namath who won one game, but it was the game
where the AFL beat the NFL and all that stuff.
So yes, But when you're talking about the pantheon of quarterbacks,
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and I see where Michael's coming from, because he just
saying I mean, when you say not even Jesus himself,
I'm like, Okay, I get where you're going.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Troy's your guy. You won't take anybody over him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey, Mike, I will say this, if you had a
chance to play with the Goat himself number twelve, TB twelve,
if you had a chance to play with fifteen, I
don't even have to say the name. You would change
your mind quickly, very quickly. So don't even get me
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started on that at all. But I I, you know,
it's funny to talk about, but I'm going through. And
at the end when he gave them not even Jesus
himself line, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that one. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I have to mention is is basically is this uh
And the NFL Power rankings just came out, kid, kid,
I gotta tell you something here on these power rankings.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So the NFL dot Com Power Rankings just came out.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I normally don't put a lot too much stalk into this,
but to no surprise, Numero Uno Seattle Seahawks NFL dot
Com quote. I couldn't have imagined vaulting the Seahawks into
the top spot after a game in which they allowed
five hundred and eighty one yards and lost a turnover
battle three nothing but here we are. Seattle has been
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here before, and I clearly have served as the team's
white night for various stretches. But I am I am
making this evaluation. Excuse me, this elevation with sincere hesitation.
D Seahawks scare me too. As good as they truly are.
Sam Darnold deserves a ton of credit for bouncing back
after throwing two bad interceptions on the primetime stage, and
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there's undeniable fight and grit to the squad. Even still,
the NFC West and the number one seed are not
locked up yet, and Nick Emon Worry, Kobe Bryant, and
Riek Wolan all suffered injuries in last Thursday's big win.
The Hawks can wrap everything up with two more victories.
And this might surprise you, kid, Where do you think
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NFL dot com has the uh? The San Francisco forty
nine ers at after last night four? I'm shocked about
this number seven. Where do you think they have.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Their probably eight?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You got that, you got Wow, you got the Rams.
I'm shocked at both. I would have had them both
in the top five, both of them.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I think they're just looking at recent history because it's
a weekly thing, so they could easily jump depending on
how they finished the season. But I understand your point
of dang this, because they lost to the Seahawks, you
get them all the way to eighth. I mean, I
think they're still a top five team, but I guess
the NFL writers disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, no, I know NFL dot Com, but Seattle day
ranked number one, which is great. Here's the thing, none
of these things mean anything. There's no thankfully, in the NFL.
It really is a true meritocracy. There's no subjective committee
who's going to decide, Oh, the Seahawks get in, or
the Bears or the Rams or the forty nine ers. No,
it's just it's it's obviously all etched in stone head
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to head numero uno in a tiebreaker situation, then best
record in division in your division, best in conference, and on,
so on and so forth. But the Seattle Seahawks on
NFL dot Com are the number one team right there
on NFL dot Com. Ted Win, senior writer from the
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Athletic will join us coming up at the top of
the hour, and coming up next.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I gotta ask a question to you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
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Speaker 5 (28:42):
It.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'm kind of asking it from a standpo because I
assume that all of you, because of now look at
the season the Seahawks have had. But how glad are
you now that John Schneider traded DK Metcalf for a
second round pick and turning that into nickimun worry DK
Metcalf suspended by the NFL for two games, the final
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two regular season games of the year. He can appeal,
and I'm sure he will. And I mentioned this yesterday, kid,
you weren't here. And I say this in all seriousness,
not trying to be facetious or hyperbolic or try to,
you know, to get a hot take reaction anything like that.
I actually mean this. I'm saying this from the heart.
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I don't know Dk Metcalf. I don't have anything against him.
I like I've heard he's actually really good guy. So
I'm gonna give him the benefit the doubt, but he
needs an intervention in his life period. And a lot
of people on the text line yesterday, Oh I have
to give someone on the text line this is the
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funniest text I got. And going a little add here,
someone said, did PayPal by KJR? No they did it,
but it sounds it's like they did. They did not,
But it sounds like, yes, I understand, we understand, a
kid understands Ashley Ryan understands. We all understand why you
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would think that. But I could tell you, to my knowledge, no,
they did not. But I appreciate the fact that you
asked that question.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I am. I am happy and thankful.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And I don't know John Schneider, and I don't know
anyone really knows close.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I know a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
People actually do know him nationally.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But I can tell you without knowing John Schneider met
him one time if I was a fly on the
wall and there was some alcohol in the room, and
maybe after a couple shots of his or drinks of
his favorite libation. I don't think that there is any
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regret at all whatsoever, because now we've seen not only
DK metcalf in full effect there and the Sunday afternoon
window against Detroit. Look at the metiorc ascent of JSN.
Would that have happened when DK here is still at
the one note would not have So I'm thankful for that.
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I'm thankful for Nick emn worry. It's just DK. I
hope you get the help that you need. Literally, I'm
not I don't have anything against the guy there needs
someone in his life needs to have an intervention. And
that is it I'm gonna say about that. And I
hope he gets the help that he needs because he
needs help. And I'm saying that, and everybody should go
to therapy as a whole. But he really And I
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said this yesterday on the air. You weren't here, Kid,
it was Ashley. I said, DK doesn't need anchor management.
Anger management needs DK metcalf Ted Winn senior NFL writer
from The Athletic Next Final Hour, The what do You Say?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Text of the day, brought to
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You by Bor said coming up at twelve thirty MJ
in the midday with Chris Kid
Hugh, did you ever, I would imagine in your.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time you must have gone to the old Gadden to
see to see a Bruins game, back to see Ray.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went to game seven against the
Bruins against the Canadians. Saw McDonough as was my neighbor
and and he invited me to go as actually the
first time we ever kind of went out to dinner,
went to that that game. Yeah. And then Larry Bird
had this notable famous this this seven uh the game
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seven against the Pacers. Do you remember when he fell
on his face and uh uh in the in the
second quarter, and everybody was, you know, thought that that
he had broke his cheekbone. That was the word going.
It was dead silent, and the Pacers were up, you know,
they just they just expand their lead. They were up
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about fifteen to eighteen points something. Chuck person, Man, Chuck person. Yeah,
anybody I'm talking. You could google this. Yeah, it was.
It was too electric to even describe. And Bird then,
who hadn't been seen in it since I don't know
the middle of the second quarter. Maybe you can correct
me on the details, but he comes like like early
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fourth quarter, he comes running out of not walking. He
comes running out of the locker. The place just goes
freaking crazy. They throw him in the game and it's
like he's playing against high school guys. He is dropping
every dime. He's it's just like faking guys. Leyands, you know,
three points mid you know, assists, like all this crazy stuff.
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And not only do they come back, they run the
pacers out of the gym, and and and you know,
the next day Shaughnessy and all these goes. That was
one of the greatest bird you know, legend moments of
all And the Celtics hook me up with front row
of that you know, that second gate the second second level.
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You know, first that was pretty good, but the first
row of the second level is even better. You're looking
right down on it. The Celtics hooked me up with
first row of the second of the second level. So
I had like basically as good as seats as you
could have. And I'm just watching this, I'm like, you
gotta be kidding me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And and by the way, at the time, the lake great.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Johnny Moost, what they did the bird, I can't believe
that past what a dirty Thomas lamp bearer. I I
got that should be arrested, Johnny most Uh, yeah it was.
That was the Hey.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hugh A one time.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm watching the news and and look, I'm just a
piss hand in the history of of of pro sports,
like not even a mist in the ocean. I get it,
I know, just a hack back up. But I'm watching
the news and they're they're doing a Celtic highlight. This
is like one of the network news is and Bird
catches a rebound and he does a full length and
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the announcer goes, uh, here Bird makes like Hugh Millan
throwing full court uh to Reggie Lewis, who makes like
Irving Fryar and and I go, oh my god, oh
my god, somebody just just compare me to Bird.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Hey Hugh, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I'm gonna give you the ultimate quote by one of
the greatest coaches in basketball history, pat Riley.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You ready for this?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Pat Riley quoted saying, if I want, if I need
a shot to win a title, I'm picking Michael Jordan.
If I need a shot to save my life, I'm
picking Larry Bird.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh my god, like my drop, my drop? Are you wow?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know this? This is a uh this is I'm
trying to remember his name now, Oh my god, who
he had? He had played for the head coach of
the Hawks. Come on, uh, played for the Celtics. He
was the head coach of the seventy six ers. Duck Rivers,
Duck Rivers, Oh yeah, Dodgs, Yeah yeah, and my travels
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and bought. You know, I'm not going to get into details,
but I bumped into him and and I don't say
he knew who I was, but he knew I quarterbacked
the Patriots, and and so we had had a lot
of conversation, and I remember vividly one time we're talking.
He goes, you know, read Urbach had this thing that
you know, for decades and decades, he said, when we
evaluate a prospect, we give them an athlete grade, which
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is all their jumping, running, quickness, on what have you.
And we give them a basketball grade, which is their
ball handling, their shooting, and their instincts. Right, they're just
feel for basketball, he said. We drive right right down
the middle. He says, in their entire history of of
scouting all prospects, the lowest athlete grade they ever gave
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a legit prospect in their entire history. This is Doc
Rivers talking about red ironback in the whole system. So
the lowest athlete grade we ever gave any prospect was
Larry Bird. Wow, he looks at me, he goes. The
highest basketball grade we ever gave any prospect in the
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entire history of the Celtics was Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
That is awesome. I mean, hey, outh of Doc Rivers,
bro Well, hey, listen. I got into it and for
those of you you have to YouTube it. When I
was young in elementary school and my father got me
hooked on the NBA. And I'll never forget from the
mid eighties to the mid nineties, but I remember the
mid to late eighties for like three out of four
years it was Celtics versus the Lakers, and it was
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just there will never be a better NBA ever. And
I don't care if you were living in a cornfield
in Iowa, you watched the Celtics with Larry Bird, Kevin McHale,
Robert Parrish, former Sonic Rest in Peace, Dennis Johnson, and
you watched them versus Magic Kareem Worthy Byron Scott, Kurt Rambis.
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You watched it and it was just during that I
mean that's why they've done you know, twenty five documentaries
thirty for thirty on the Celtics Lakers, and they still
can't do enough.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And it was awesome. It was I mean, like, who
didn't live that through that time? So being a huge
Sonic fan living in Seattle, Now you look this up
on Basketball Reference or whatever Google. Before Magic got drafted
in eighty right, because last year Misgian state was seventy nine.
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The Sonics had been and had had a higher ranking
in the Pacific Division than the Lakers for four of
the five previous years. You got me.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So when you're my, you know, a teenager, you know,
the five years seems like a damn long time if
you're thirteen or fourteen years old. Right, I'm like, wait
a minute, the Lakers are trash. You know, they had
they had had Jabbar, but they didn't have much else
around him. Right, And so when when uh, and then
the Sonics won the title in seventy nine, when they
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got Magic Johnson, It's like wait a minute, no, no, no,
we're the Sonest You're just the Lakers, right, just the Lakers. Yeah,
And so I despised the Lakers because they took from
Seattle what had been Seattle's that's the way of fourteen
year old thinks, right. And when Dennis Johnson, who was
you know, when he went to the Celtics, you know,
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the former Sonic, there was that and other reasons why
I love the Celtics. I hated the Lakers, sure, with
the worst passion. I hated the Lakers. I'm with you
recognize they're brilliance. And even when I was a drafted
the Rams in Orange County, h I got the ticket
whatever the package on my cable that I had to
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see the Lakers. So I watched them every night and
of course during shot and showtime, and there was a
brilliance to them, even though I despise them. Anyways, what
are we going on the air?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
All right? Hey? Uesday Tuesday? Well you mill go on.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
There is the there is the organic nature of radio.
When obviously we're we want to talk about the Seattle Seahawks,
and we just get into a thing and we mentioned
Boston Bruins and then we get into Celtics Lakers, and
there we go. All right, Seattle Seahawks, Hugh, before we
talk about them, your thoughts on how when everybody's sitting
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here and we're talking about Seahawks, Rams and Rams Seahawks
and oh, by the way, let's not forget about that
team in northern California, better known as the San Francisco
forty nine Ers, who last night went on the road
and dropped nearly half a hundred against the Cult. Hugh,
what's your thoughts right now on this forty nine ers
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team and how the Seahawks and that Week eighteen matchup
is looming?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Oh my god, Yeah, they were the forty eight ers
last night.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I good one.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I'm very concerned. You know, I think that they're just
kind of finding themselves. You'd had Kittle had been out
some you know, they've they've lost their receivers, they've figured it,
but somehow, you know, Brock Purdy has a very unique
brand of quarterbacking and and it's where you say he
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doesn't have overwhelming physical traits. Obviously that's why he was
mister irrelevant. But you know, as they're saying, I think
Ryan Clark said, what do you call him? The you
the aggression that uh and the you know, the I'm
sorry I'm kicking this, but whatever it was, it was
it was like, you don't understand this guy is bloodthirsty
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for getting chunk chunk plays like he is constantly looking
down the field and pushing the ball, Like Kyle Shannon,
if you really uh you know fall is and I
have because it's intrigued the hell out of me. Kyle Shannon,
you can't say Kyle Shanahan. First of all, let's just
almost like postulate this like like a math process. If
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if we can acknowledge Kyle Shanahan is one of the
top offensive minds in the football, can we do that
like like.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That pretty much?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Okay? Then and if he chose to cut Trey Lance loose,
you know, after barely even seeing him, he says, oh,
you broke her ankle. Guess what, I know, you're the
third pick in the draft and we we spent two
number ones on you, but I seen enough, brock perty
is my guy? Like think about that?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Irrelevant?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I know? So the guy they drafted him in the
same year it was like the Gus Farraud and he's
Schuler like it was like RG three and and Kirk
Cousins Like those are just teams that they drafted their
their dude at the top of the first round and
then they just get an afterthought late Trey Lance was
the third pick with this overwhelming skill set. Huge dude.
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I watched him in North Dakota State. I mean on
third there, they're third down running. They just ran quarterback
power like he was a a monster. And Kyle Shanner said, no, thanks,
give me this little six foot one, you know, guy
that can't run and he's got a lollipop arm. And
and what Kyle shannon Is said is, listen, I don't
want a game manager. That is not my vision of
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an offense. We're not looking for game manager game managers.
Manager he sees, he sees Rock Purdy as a dude
who is going big game hunting on a constant basis.
And so there and say, okay, well he doesn't have
a strong arm. How does he do that? He does
it with impact, like next level anticipation, next level anticipation.
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And and he will he will just uh, by the way,
your dog, I know, I know that it's the dogs
are co signing. You know what they said, yeah, tell
him tell him dad, Yeah right, And so so he
will he will have a deep in round, a dagger round, okay,
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And and he will put his back foot in the ground.
And you know, I'm gonna pause the story because uh,
and I'm gonna tell a story about Dan Fouts, who,
in my opinion of all the great quarterbacks, I'm not
a big Dan Fouts fan. He went. I thought he
when I was a kid, I thought he had the
nastiest mechanics, Like there's smooth and then there's not smooth.
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And Dan Fouts embodied not smooth. But that dude had
incredible anticipation and he had he had played under Ernie's
MPZI and I played under Ernie's MPZI in North Turner.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So and by the way, Hugh, I want to ask
you a question after you make your point, and it's
about your time in Dallas and a quote recently made
by Michael Irving, but finish your point, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah. So like I could go to Dan fouc
Hey three seven zero f soup up eight forty four,
lucky Ricky, like all the terminology that he would know
from his great years in San Diego. And he had
one time said to me, he goes, I could throw
that that eight route, that skinny post. He goes, I
had the perfect arm strength for that skinny post. Because
this was going to be self deprecating on behalf of him.
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He goes, I could throw it as hard as I could,
and it had just the right arc to get it
over the hook zone defender right into that that space.
And you know he's taking a shot at himself that
he had a weak arm, but he threw it so
damn early and then it had just you know the
right amount of arc even though he was thrown it
as hard as he could. Like ask a golfer, would
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you would golfer rather have a wedge at one twenty
one thirty or would he other rather have a wedge
at fifty five? Well, I'll tell you one, you know,
one ten, one twenty every time right over over fifty
five because because you because if you throw fifty fifty
five yard wedge, you gotta you gotta take something off
of it, you know, one hundred and ten. If you
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get the right loft, you can take a nice bull
swing right. And so what Fouts was saying is I
can throw it as hard as I can, and but
it had a nice little arc to it, and it
you know, it turns out, you know, you get a
big strong arm, uh uh, you know, rocking on like
lway or something, trying to take that touch on the ball.
Now you know it's a little bit harder for him.
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So rock perties like Fouts unbelievable in anticipation and and
then you know, just he's gonna throw an ar key ball.
That was a term my wife. Once you use, I
can't get it out of my head, you know, to
describe a you know, his age. She was describing a quarterback.
She wasn't impressed with. Go Well, passes are kind of archie,
you know, And I'm like archie. Now I knew what
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she meant, right, but it was like the ball just
kind of had a lollipop loop to it. But they're
you know, if you take if you if you take
it from Fouts, you know, that can be a benefit
in it. And I see that in in Purty. So
all right, I got there there there they're a house. Yep.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I got to ask you the question your former teamate
you were you were in Dallas, and listen before I
before I give you this quote, let's understand about Michael Irvin.
He will he's a loyalist and he will always you know.
So he was on Dan Patrick recently and he was asked,
you know, whether he would go for Mahomes over Akman.
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Michael Irvan was quoted as saying, no, I won't take
Patrick Mahomes over Troy Aikman. I won't take nobody over
Troy Aikman, including mom, dad, sister, brother, niece, nephew, and
my own family. Then Dan Patrick asked with a chuckle,
not even Tom Brady and Irvin's hit right back. Nope, nobody,
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Denny what goes on to say, there's nobody I would
take over Troy Aikman because I think Patrick Mahomes is great.
He makes a second play, a third play, but Troy
is the best timing throwing quarterback in the history of
this game. When North Turner got here and said, you've
got that third step and let that ball go, hit
that fifth step and let that ball go, it became
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perfect and it was unstoppable. I will take no one
at the quarterback position over Troy Aikman. And ready for
this one, not even Jesus himself. End quote Michael Irvin.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And by the way, Hugh, I will.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
See Michael Irvin in Dallas on Wednesday night, and I
will say, Michael, you and your left pinky nail that
you just cut off as more and forgotten more about
football than I will ever know. And I know you're
a loyalist and I love you today. But I hey
and so, I was talking about this with a buddy
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of mine yesterday and Heugh, he agreed with me, and
he knows football. We grew up in New England together.
I'm listen to take nothing away from Troy Akman. I'm
not gonna go two stats. But he only threw for
twenty touchdowns in the season once in his whole career.
He was part of a great team because of the
greatest coach slash general manager in the history of the
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NFL coach slash g M.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Jimmy. Yes, sure, thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So we agree upon that, right, Hugh, Uh yeah, A
lot there, Yeah, right, hold on, no, I'm not done yet.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I would take Dan Marino eight days a weekend, ten
times on Sunday over Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Uh, well, I think Dan Marino was a better passer
of the football. Here's the thing about Troy. You know,
I played because I played with Elway right after playing That's.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right, and I would take Lway like a thousand days
a week over here here.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well here, here's here's what I would say about Troy.
Troy was not a good off script quarterback, right. It
had everything had to be right. He was like a
structured guy. I bet you if you go into his house,
he's one of those guys that and and I love Troy,
so nothing I'm about to say, if I if I
sound like I'm disoyed, disparaging Troy Aikman, I have screwed
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up in my communication. Okay. If you went to his
house and while he was, you know, getting you a drink,
you just took the picture frame and you'd like turned
it cockye, like three degrees. He would be one of
those guys that would come back hand you your drink
and then he'd you know, and then like thirty seconds
later he would notice that the frame and he'd walk
over and he'd put it back three degrees. Everything has
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to be totally structured in detail. If so, If so,
you've heard of Iron Byron. That's my second golf reference
of the day. You've heard of Iron Byron, the robot
that tests golf clubs that can just has the perfect
swing over and over. Troy's like Iron Iron. If you
put him in a situation with good people around who
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protect him so he doesn't have to scramble, and everybody's
exactly where they're supposed to be. Like I'll give an
example with Michael and Troy. There's some teams that you say, okay,
you're gonna run a comeback. What Troy and Michael will
call five eighty five five routes on each side, the
eight seam read down the middle, five eighty five. That's
three digits, okay. And if you said to Michael, hey,
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how did five eighty five do for you, he'd be
get a He's gonna get a big smile, so ask
him so. But a lot of teams will say, hey,
you know, go to sixteen to twenty yards A what
a what if? The if the souldier if it's a
press bale, and and the corners playing knees in outside leverage, well,
attack is outside leverage. You're like, like all these variables.
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What what NorVa would say is no me f that
he says, I want you. I don't care where the
corner is. You go straight up the field perpendicular to
the line of scrimmage. That doesn't matter if he's inside leverage,
outside leverge, whatever, and you don't go until you turn
his hips like they teach in the West Coast offense,
you go to exactly seventeen and a half yards and
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it doesn't matter whether the corner is tight or whether
he's way off. You go to seventeen and a half
yards every time. If Troy thinks the guy squatting, which
is like, you know, not honoring the deep ball, then
he'll throw it to the swing route. And then next
time we'll do we'll do a go route. But you
do not. You just do it exactly like you did
routes on air back in May and then and so
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what Troy is like, I know where these guys are
going to be because they're going to be in the
exact same spot on the football field as they in
a game as they were routes on air back in March.
And so that was the beauty of the system. It
fit Troy's Troy's personality, and it fit his skill set.
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So Troy could, Yes, he had dan fauci and anticipation,
that is true, but he could drive the football, had
a stronger arm than than than fouls and so from
that standpoint, his accuracy. Remember now, accuracy is not static.
A pitcher has static accuracy hit the mid uh a
quarterback has dynamic ad accuracy. You got to hit a
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moving target. You got to lead him up the field,
and you gotta If it lands twelve inches in front
of the numbers, it's because the quarterback's brain processed that
moving target. And and for Troy, if he said, hey,
I know exactly where he's gonna be, I will lead
him into that spot and and it'll look it'll look
like I hit the spot the size of a coffee month.
And so it was all it all worked together. Everything
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he set is through. Last time I saw Mike, we
had about seven together.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'm gonna mention your name, Michael. I'll tell you this
right now. Michael has done this to me in public.
He did it on Saturday after the Canes win in Texas,
A and m He kissed Mario Crystal Ball on the cheek.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
He does that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
He likes you.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
He done that to me in public on radio Row.
Michael and I and he might not want to do this.
If we beat Ohio State next Wednesday night in Dallas,
I'll kiss Michael Irvin on the lips if he lets me.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, he's uh, he's the hardest. I'll just close with this. Yeah,
I played with you know when you're a journeyman. You
played with ninety three Pro Bowl players, and I think
I counted sixteen Hall of famers, maybe there might be more.
I gottak. I will say this, and I'll and I'll
say it unequivocally. Michael Irvin is the hardest working football
player of any player I ever was around. And I could,
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I could talk for half an hour about all the
evidences that would support that claim. And hey, Hugh, he's
a complex dude. He's not just some you know, some
dude just trying to slide. No, that guy whoa Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He laid And so are you with your announcement. I
love how when I plan on doing something and and
and uh. And that's what's great about radio. It can
go in a completely organic way. We'll talk to you
next Tuesday Day. Tuesday, we will speak to Mike Betton
Nunn or meet the Kraken coming up next.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
When I saw that quote by Michael, first of all,
I respect and admire Michael Irvan's loyalty to his QB,
and his QB was Troy Aikman, And I get that
would there are twenty quarterbacks, maybe twenty five without even
blinking or thinking that I would take over Troy Aikman
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by far and away, not even close. I don't even
have Troigman. He's a fringe Hall of Famer in my opinion.
He was part of a great and I'll give him
the one thing I will say about Troy Aikman. He
was at his best in the biggest games. That part
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I will say about Troy Aikman.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I just no way.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Dan Marino, not even close, Warren moon Tony even get
me started. John Elway, we could go down the line.
You were part of a wagon built by the greatest
coach slash general manager in NFL history, Jimmy Johnson who
fleees the Minnesota Vikings on the herschel Walker deal. But
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you're nowhere near that level of quarterback. But he's in
the Hall of Fame, so kudos to him. Shows Joe
Namath who won one game, but it was the game
where the AFL beat the NFL and all that stuff.
So yes, But when you're talking about the pantheon of quarterbacks,
(24:35):
and I see where Michael's coming from, because he just
saying I mean, when you say not even Jesus himself,
I'm like, Okay, I get where you're going.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Troy's your guy. You won't take anybody over him.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Hey, Mike, I will say this, if you had a
chance to play with the Goat himself number twelve, TB twelve,
if you had a chance to play with fifteen, I
don't even have to say the name. You would change
your mind quickly, very quickly. So don't even get me
(25:07):
started on that at all. But I I, you know,
it's funny to talk about, but I'm going through. And
at the end when he gave them not even Jesus
himself line, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that one. Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
One thing.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I have to mention is is basically is this uh
And the NFL Power rankings just came out, kid, kid,
I gotta tell you something here on these power rankings.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So the NFL dot Com Power Rankings just came out.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I normally don't put a lot too much stalk into this,
but to no surprise, Numero Uno Seattle Seahawks NFL dot
Com quote. I couldn't have imagined vaulting the Seahawks into
the top spot after a game in which they allowed
five hundred and eighty one yards and lost a turnover
battle three nothing but here we are. Seattle has been
(26:02):
here before, and I clearly have served as the team's
white night for various stretches. But I am I am
making this evaluation. Excuse me, this elevation with sincere hesitation.
D Seahawks scare me too. As good as they truly are.
Sam Darnold deserves a ton of credit for bouncing back
after throwing two bad interceptions on the primetime stage, and
(26:24):
there's undeniable fight and grit to the squad. Even still,
the NFC West and the number one seed are not
locked up yet, and Nick Emon Worry, Kobe Bryant, and
Riek Wolan all suffered injuries in last Thursday's big win.
The Hawks can wrap everything up with two more victories.
And this might surprise you, kid, Where do you think
(26:48):
NFL dot com has the uh? The San Francisco forty
nine ers at after last night four? I'm shocked about
this number seven. Where do you think they have.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Their probably eight?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You got that, you got Wow, you got the Rams.
I'm shocked at both. I would have had them both
in the top five, both of them.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I think they're just looking at recent history because it's
a weekly thing, so they could easily jump depending on
how they finished the season. But I understand your point
of dang this, because they lost to the Seahawks, you
get them all the way to eighth. I mean, I
think they're still a top five team, but I guess
the NFL writers disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, no, I know NFL dot Com, but Seattle day
ranked number one, which is great. Here's the thing, none
of these things mean anything. There's no thankfully, in the NFL.
It really is a true meritocracy. There's no subjective committee
who's going to decide, Oh, the Seahawks get in, or
the Bears or the Rams or the forty nine ers. No,
it's just it's it's obviously all etched in stone head
(27:51):
to head numero uno in a tiebreaker situation, then best
record in division in your division, best in conference, and on,
so on and so forth. But the Seattle Seahawks on
NFL dot Com are the number one team right there
on NFL dot Com. Ted Win, senior writer from the
(28:12):
Athletic will join us coming up at the top of
the hour, and coming up next.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
I gotta ask a question to you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
We'll get to that, and don't forget when you hear
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Speaker 5 (28:42):
It.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I'm kind of asking it from a standpo because I
assume that all of you, because of now look at
the season the Seahawks have had. But how glad are
you now that John Schneider traded DK Metcalf for a
second round pick and turning that into nickimun worry DK
Metcalf suspended by the NFL for two games, the final
(29:07):
two regular season games of the year. He can appeal,
and I'm sure he will. And I mentioned this yesterday, kid,
you weren't here. And I say this in all seriousness,
not trying to be facetious or hyperbolic or try to,
you know, to get a hot take reaction anything like that.
I actually mean this. I'm saying this from the heart.
(29:27):
I don't know Dk Metcalf. I don't have anything against him.
I like I've heard he's actually really good guy. So
I'm gonna give him the benefit the doubt, but he
needs an intervention in his life period. And a lot
of people on the text line yesterday, Oh I have
to give someone on the text line this is the
(29:48):
funniest text I got. And going a little add here,
someone said, did PayPal by KJR? No they did it,
but it sounds it's like they did. They did not,
But it sounds like, yes, I understand, we understand, a
kid understands Ashley Ryan understands. We all understand why you
(30:12):
would think that. But I could tell you, to my knowledge, no,
they did not. But I appreciate the fact that you
asked that question.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I am. I am happy and thankful.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And I don't know John Schneider, and I don't know
anyone really knows close.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I know a couple.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
People actually do know him nationally.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But I can tell you without knowing John Schneider met
him one time if I was a fly on the
wall and there was some alcohol in the room, and
maybe after a couple shots of his or drinks of
his favorite libation. I don't think that there is any
(30:55):
regret at all whatsoever, because now we've seen not only
DK metcalf in full effect there and the Sunday afternoon
window against Detroit. Look at the metiorc ascent of JSN.
Would that have happened when DK here is still at
the one note would not have So I'm thankful for that.
(31:18):
I'm thankful for Nick emn worry. It's just DK. I
hope you get the help that you need. Literally, I'm
not I don't have anything against the guy there needs
someone in his life needs to have an intervention. And
that is it I'm gonna say about that. And I
hope he gets the help that he needs because he
needs help. And I'm saying that, and everybody should go
to therapy as a whole. But he really And I
(31:40):
said this yesterday on the air. You weren't here, Kid,
it was Ashley. I said, DK doesn't need anchor management.
Anger management needs DK metcalf Ted Winn senior NFL writer
from The Athletic Next Final Hour, The what do You Say?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Text of the day, brought to
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You by Bor said coming up at twelve thirty MJ
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