April 10, 2025 • 34 mins
Hugh Millen is back on the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders ahead of the 2025 NFL Draft. We hit the text line and read back messages from listeners, and we close the show with Ian Furness as he shares what he has planned on his show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from Stadium Swim at the Circus Sports Book in
Las Vegas. Before we bring on our QB one Hugh
Millen on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. There was a nice
exchange with Todd mcshae and Steve Mensch, his longtime co
host and guys who founded Scouts, Inc.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Over twenty something years.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ago, and what they had to say about Colorado quarterback
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
The two people that I spoke to in these positions
left the meeting feeling like Shador Sanders was not overly concerned.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
With what they thought of him.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They had the fifteen minute meeting with them, and when
they were done, they both said, in different ways, different words,
that they did not feel like Shador Sanders cared all
that much about what that organization thought of him. I've
had multiple conversations too with these personnel people and other
personnel people who see the same things that we talked
about on tape. Best pure passer unbelievable when in rhythm, touch, timing, layering,
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the ball throwing receivers open great instincts as a passer
when on the move, rolling right, rolling left, he can
do things that are magical right, but in those conversations,
He's not that great an athlete, holds onto the ball
too long, bailing out a lot right and left, leaving
easy cash on the field. It's a lot of the
same stuff that we were worried about with Caleb Williams
(01:23):
coming up. The difference is Chador is a fraction of
the athlete the Caleb Williams is, and we saw how
poorly that went this year, and so there's work to
be done with this guy.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think one of the overwhelming storylines coming out of
this combine is that not only is he not all
that close to cam Ward in terms of that quarterback
one race, that he's falling and that it's maybe quarterback
three discussion time.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now, wow, those are fighting words if you're should do
or Sanders and coach prime back on MJ The Midday
live from Stadium Swim here in Las Vegas at the
world's largest and best sports book outside. So, Hugh Millen,
you certainly don't have a shortage of opinion on Shador Sanders.
(02:10):
What do you think when you heard from Todd McShay
and Steve Mench what they had to say about the
Colorado quarterback that he could be QB three in this
draft and not be number two after cam Ord.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, I'm very intrigued by Shadour Sanders. I think he's
by far the most interesting player usually MJ. I go
to bed at midnight. Last night, I was up till
five twenty in the morning. I went down a rabbit
hole primarily with Shadoor Sanders. I watched all of the
Nebraska game, all of the Baylor game, all of the
Oklahoma State all of his sack reel, all of his
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interception reeal. I'm not done evaluating him, but I would
just say, and look, I was a Falcon when Dion
got drafted. I like Dion a lot. I want to
root for Shadar Sanders, but Shadre Sanders is not for me.
And you were talking about the leadership there that and
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how he's coming across. I mean, you go back to
that Nebraska game. They were down twenty eight to nothing.
He throws a pick six when it was seven nothing.
That is one of the there's not a single quarterback
coach offensive coordinator in the NFL that would say that
that play is not hideous from a quarterback perspective. He's
on the wide side, he goes shotgun three steps. He
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takes way too many steps. Then he takes two hitches,
holds the ball and throws late excuse me, into a
cloud coverage, meaning the safety's over the top, the corner
can rest on any short pass. He throws it a
half an hour late. It's an easy pick six. The
next day he's asked, Hey, what happened on the pick six?
And he goes, well, it's a rookie mistake because he's
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throwing to a freshman receiver. Yeah, if you're grading the
technique of a receiver, he winning yard too deep and
probably a little bit wide. But Sanders had all the
time to assess that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Then.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
And then in that same press conference, this is on
September eighth, This is two weeks into the season where
they're trying to he's trying to rally his team. He
was asked at some point in the press conference, he
goes how many times did Riola get touched? And then
he repeats it, how many times did Riyola get touched?
Riola was yep, Yeah, Ryola is the is the quarterback
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for Nebraska. Like and in that game, there's a left
guard for the for the Buffalo's number sixty six. His
name is Justin Myers. He was born in Woodland Hills, California.
He is the son of Andre and Myleen Myers. He
has a sister, Caitlin, and he plays five musical instruments.
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He say, Millan, why the hell are you saying all that?
Because he's a human being. And when Sanders was on
the ground after a sack, Justin Myers comes over and
reaches to help him up, and Sanders swats his hand away,
like get away from me. Literally watch his hand away. Now,
(05:01):
I want to ask you, you've been watching football a
long time when if you ever say said that, I'll.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Tell you what. You're in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You get in trouble, you you lose a front tooth,
and you get thrown in jail, and the judge of
the wacky judge, he says, I'll tell you what, Mark James,
you can get out of prison. The next time I
see a quarterback in major college football or in the
NFL swat away an offensive lineman who's trying to help
him out. You get to get out of prison when
that happens. Guess what you're gonna rock. You will never
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see that. I've never seen that. So there are all
kinds of leadership issues about this guy repeatedly throwing his
offensive line under the bus. I'll tell you the thing
I didn't agree with Todd McShay. I thought I thought
he was too glowing about his paths offense. Here's what
I like about him. I think on rhythm. In the
quick game, his feet are great one two, three, boom
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booming the balls out. Or I think he processes well
in the quick game. I think he shows a decent
amount of elusiveness in the pocket. But when you get
into the intermediate game, his feet are a mess. He
consistently drifts, not just behind the guard, he'll drift behind
the tackle on either side. You cannot do that in
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the NFL. He will get out of the throwing position
and his hips are parallel to the line of scrimmage.
Then he has to reget back into the throwing position.
The layering of the balls. Yeah, if you want to
watch a highlight tape, yeah you can see some anticipatory
throws in the in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But it's just not enough.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I mean, everybody's going about he had seventy four percent
completion a rate. In fact, Colin Coward is just raving
about about Oh, this guy got seventy four percent. And
Collins a friend. He's from Aberdeen, Washington. He's a Husky fan.
He calls me a few times a year just to
bs I like, he's a.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Huskies fan, except when USC had that success in the
mid two thousands.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Each other. Yeah, well he's a Washingtonian.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
He is.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
No.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Well, okay, look, I'm not gonna debate you on that,
but i am gonna debate calling on on raving about
the seventy four percent completion. I broke it down into
the your first of all, start with this. Your attempts
behind the line of scrimmage, bubble screens. Cam Ward, you
can YouTube cam word busting Shador Sanders balls.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He says, this is cam Ward quote.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
They gave you a completion percentage of Ward, but all
you did was throw checkdowns in bubble street. Yeah, but
cam or Shador Sanders had one hundred and sixty eight
attempts at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That was number one in college football.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
So as we're barking about a seventy four percent completion,
I'm gonna break it down from zero to five yards.
Sanders completion percentage was number two in the NCAA. But
there's an on target. This is graded by PFF, who
every single NFL team subscribes to and every college team does. Okay,
so this is a subjection of on target percent Sanders
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was ninth five to ten yards in the line of scrimmage.
Sanders completion percentage one on target percentage twenty fourth, ten
to fifteen From the line of scrimmage. Sanders completion percentage
one on target twenty first, fifteen to twenty yards. Now
sanders completion percentage goes to thirty first is on target
twenty fifth, two more twenty to thirty yards.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
His completion percentage was twenty ninth, on target thirty ninth
and thirty to forty yards.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
His completion percentage was ranked thirty second and his on
target thirtieth.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That is what the tape shows. It's just like, dude,
there's not enough.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Now it's hard to be the quarterback for the Colorado
They do not have a good offensive line, either in
the run game of the pass game.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They're poorty coach at the offensive line. The things they do,
they don't handle stunts. There's a lot of things, but
I don't see horsepower. Evidently I can talk all segment,
but I don't see horsepower from sure doors, either as
an athlete or in terms of his arm strength. Then
if you look at.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The guys by the way, hey Hugh, let me just
shu up there real quick, and you're not even getting
to the intangibles, which is lack of leadership. You gotta
be a leader because you pull that crap in an
NF you played in the NFL, I didn't, but you
pull that crap. And let's just say, Okay, you're going
up against you know, Patrick Mahomes, or you're going up
(09:25):
against uh, the Denver Broncos, and after a game, go
how many times did Bo Nich get sacked?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Today?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You let me tell you something. You ever see that
movie Full Metal Jacket? You, yeah, is that what the
old linem they're gonna do. They're gonna give them. They're
gonna get those soaps and the towel. They're gonna say
college where your daddy runs the show. Okay, in the NFL,
those are grown men. You have to be a leader
of men.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I had a draft analysts on the other day, and
I thought he did a great job, but like he
kept glowing. I thought he wanted to have Shador Sanders
firstborn child. Yeah, And I'm like, and I'm like, what
are you talking about. This guy's not a leader. Yes,
I think he has a high ceiling. I actually think
he might even have a higher ceiling than cam Ward.
And I cam Ward, I'm the president of the cam
(10:09):
hord Field Club. But Jimminy Christmas, like, I see it,
you see it. You dropped all that knowledge in all
those stats. And I'm literally asking you to please text
me all those stats because I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And in the future, the next time I have Emery
Hunt on.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm gonna have you on and I'm gonna let you
two guys go at it because I'm with you, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And if the Raiders, who are just down the road
here in Henderson, in Nevada, in Vegas, yeah, or the
Jets at seven or the Steelers at twenty one, if
they make that mistake of taking Shito Sanders, they will
rue the day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think any you know, probability is I'll accept anything
other than zero or one hundred. There's some probability that
he's gonna be a top flight NFL quarterback. You know
that's that's the game, right is assessing the probability. I
tried to touch on leadership at the beginning mark when
I was discussing how he threw rookie receiver Draylon Miller
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under the bus on a horrible play that he Sanders
made himself, and the you know, his throwing his offensive
lineup under the bus. I'll tell you another thing on
the sack. Watch his sack really at exactly forty sacks.
I calculated sixteen that simply cannot happen. They are on
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the quarterback, and I had another six that were borderline
that some coaches would say. So twenty two out of
forty are inexcusable. Thirty three of the forty happened greater
than three seconds. He lost three hundred and thirteen yards.
That was number one in all of college football in
terms of yards lost. Not only does he take sacks,
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but he will try and bail out the back door,
and he just isn't the athlete.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's like like, it's.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Like, dude, you didn't get your dad's athleticism, You've got
your mom's athletic. Stop trying to pull go twenty yards
behind the offensive line to bail out of places you
don't have the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Juice to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And and and just by comparison, because I had again,
I was up to five twenty man, I had some
caffeine going, but but kind of way at four. Yeah,
and then at before thirty, I said, you know what,
I'm gonna watch Caleb Williams sack reel from his last
year at USC just because it's fresh in my mind.
(12:30):
To compare Caleb Williams sack reel, it's just like almost
every single one, it's instant pressure. He he. He was
trying to go forward, minimize the damage. Look, there were
some exceptions, There were some. There was certainly a couple
few with Caleb as Williams and say no, dude, can't
take that sack. But the ratio it wasn't even close,
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say I will I said it a month ago. I
continue to say it right up to the draft, which
I was. I hold the right to reserve and to
modify what I said, but I'm right now I'm standing
on this. I study first round draft pick quarterbacks every year.
This is my twenty seventh year doing the draft. Should
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or Sanders sack real is the worst of any potential
first round quarterback I have seen in twenty seven years.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Even worse than David Carr. Remember, well, I'm David Carr.
That would be a Texan.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You probably talk talking on he took so many sacks
with the Texans at Presno.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
State, Right, he didn't. He didn't take as many there
no at Fresno.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
No. I'm just talking and look, I'm not It's the
number doesn't really bother me.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm not. I'm not really looking at the number.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
What I'm doing is I'm looking, I'm saying, and I'm
putting myself in a quarterback meeting room on a on
a on a you know, a Sunday after a college game.
We're a Monday after and we're watching our tape. And
is my quarterback coach Libel to say, dude, that's on you.
And and I'm just looking and forget the numbers. I
just looked, and I say, how many times is that avoidable?
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Like and and then you know, like red zone like
like just brutal, like the guys just right open in
the flat. Why are you dancing around the field. You
just took a fourteen yard loss to knock yourself out
of field goal rings and you had a guy wide
open in the flat like nobody was within ten years,
like like brutal sack reel from this guy? Now can
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he develop? Is there some good things about his game?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I mean I tried to touch on those, but you
know what, right now and I got two more weeks
to put it in concrete suitor centers.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Oh and you said exactly the end at what you
said at the beginning, and I couldn't. I couldn't agree
with you more. Do I think that someone could get
a steal at the end of the first round?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Let me ask you this in less than a minute
and thirty you see, please stick to this time because
we got the masters at maybe less than a minute. Humill,
in time less than a minute, who would you take
if you're the NFL general manager and your job is
on the line, Humilling, who would you take Jackson Dart
or should dour Sanders?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I would take Jackson Dart and and I why why why?
Just for all the reasons.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's just I think the downside of should or plus
I think if it does go bad, I don't think
the adversary all it's gonna be a poop show.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, uh, you know, you know, with with Dion and
what have you. Uh you know, I mean, yeah, he's
got he's always gonna have a microphone, whether he's that
That's just what I said. You're getting the circus.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yes, yet you're getting and and and if things don't look,
we've already seen this kid. His dad won't won't counsel
him and say, hey, you cannot blame that brutal interception
on a freshman receiver. You cannot go into a press
conference and say, what how did the other quarterback get touched?
Like these are things that are hard nosed, like unforgivable,
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like don't even let the thought pass through your mind
like a meteor like like that can't even end you
your head. So so look, Dion has done a hell
of a lot of cool stuff and I like him
as a person, but I do not like how he
has coached his quarterback. So yeah, I would take uh,
I take Dart. I watched Dark the Georgia game, which
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is a great game. I watched the Kentucky game. And
when I watched these, I'm watching the All twenty two.
I'm the coach of Tyler. The end zone copy the
say I can see the safeties. There's things we'll talk
before the draft. There's things I don't like about Jackson Dart.
So I'm I'm not in love with Jackson Dart absolutely,
but but you asked me, I uh look, he pushes
the ball down the field more and uh you know,
(16:38):
he just he just he makes more NFL type throws. Yeah, Dart,
even though his offense isn't entirely an NFL offense.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Hugh Milling QB one. I love Hugh Milling. Hugh, you
owe me one thing though. We didn't get to the Seahawks,
so we're gonna have to have you back. Let's go
do it. When I get back from Vegas next week,
we're gonna get in a Seahawks draft.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, rock and rolling now you take them, don't not
the other way around. All right, that's right, Hugh Millon
man IQB one. Like guys been here for twenty eight years, KJR.
I love it.
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I just that's what you call a breakdown of monumental
proportions with facts facts. So there it is, Hugh, great job,
great spot. We'll talk to you soon, Okay, next week
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do you say? Text of the day? All right, kid,
you lead us off.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
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we got. No, no, I got it. No, no, no,
I got it.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (19:52):
Why are these two yelling so much?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Where are you guys?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Hey? I think it's as we can hear because the music.
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did you notice in the last forty five minutes if
the music got louder?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It did.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
I was wondering if you were right next to the DJ.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, not right next to him, it got louder. It
wasn't as loud as it was in the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
All right?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
From the two IHO six, Welcome to Seattle, the city
of excuses for all professional athletes. Julio was paid like
a superstar, and Brace is being a superstar. He should
thank his lucky stars. He lives in Snowflaketown.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Wow, I will say, coming from the East Coast, it
is a softer market out here and Seattle. Yes, oh yes, sorry,
I know we're in Vegas, but the West Coast seems
to be a little bit softer, less harsh than the East. Coast,
having been in New York, Boston and Connecticut at the network,
this is uh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But they're yeah right, tame go with Yeah. Yeah, I
could see that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But I also think that at least when the text
line people I talk to people here are past it.
People in Boston. I mean, the other day a fan
like went to like confront and almost try to fight
Marcus Smart form of Celtics so that those are the
passion of the fans and.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Bought like they take it. And Marcus Smart did nothing
but great things to the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Heeded lead to him to a title, but he bled
green and white when he was there the entire time.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
He was the first person I fell in love with
on that team almost you know, I married into Celtics
fanhood and I was so devastated when they traded him.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, and listen, I mean, so it is what it is,
all right? Do you want to read one chess? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Sure, hold on, we got a lot here.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Let's see, uh tip talking head for the Mariners. They're
losing and can't hit, but there is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Boring.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
This team is boring.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Let me just say this to the text line.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Did you notice though I kind of checked Gary Hill
when he called Julio superstar.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I said, hear him, He's not a superstar. Okay, he's not.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He has the makings, he could be won, he's not
definitely not a superstar.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
King. What do you got?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
All right?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
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Mark, No, you are, you are absolutely wrong.
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throughout the great state of Washington.
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I love I love Dicks. I do.
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I love the deluxe nowhere near in it out.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
I just don't think they have as much variation.
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As in Out.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Also like it's it's they stick to what they do
and you want very none.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, it's a no super you.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Yeah, no sup for you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I love this show.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But funny I am back in Washington. When you fly
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It's very quote scenic.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think Lindsay is the proof of walking proof.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean it's uh yeah, you see that about nine
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That that'll raise some eyebrows. There is a lot of
beauty here there's no doubt.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yes, let's see what else have we got here. The
people that complain about Julio, that's coming from the four
two five. One never played two soon other COI cheetos
and drinking diet soda, saying I.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Could have hit that.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
That's an interesting combo, Cheetos and diet soda.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I don't drink diet soda. So I had everything there
but three.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
The guy's personable, plays hard, and it's still young.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And he's bad. Okay, he's in his fourth year. We
know he's young.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I saw I saw the maturation process of Mookie Bets
in Boston. I saw Muki become a really good player
into MVP and the best player in baseball. So I'm
waiting for Julio to get to that step.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think he can get there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I want him to get there. Here's from the four
two five. The two early excuses not valid when he
has underperformed for multiple years.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Patience is over all capital letters.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Positive results are the only acceptable level of performance. Now,
I'll tell you what I don't there's nothing. Where's the
lie on that text? That is the to me, that's
the what do you say? Text of the day. We
can't keep giving you. Oh he's young. Oh, it's early.
Oh it's this, Oh it's that. Well, you're not on
E four.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I want to see what he's gonna do in May
and June and if he's gonna be able to lead
his team because.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
You're without Robless for half the year. Yeah, maybe the
season and bliss, it's pretty much done. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
I'm wondering if the frustration towards the team as a
whole ways into the frustration and lack of patience with Julio,
because there's a lot of vitriol coming towards this team.
They once again get off to a slow start.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They didn't do.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
What people wanted them to do in the off season,
with the exception of re signing Cal Rowley. So I'm
wondering if that is compounded the slow start that he
has had or the inconsistency.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, all right, final one for me here, let's
see here, just I just refreshed so on one second. Yeah,
people to what you said, people are they just had it.
The difference between Dixon in and out is Dix does
ten things outstanding, in and Out does fifty things mediocre,
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not even comparable. Oh man, someone said, how drunk is Yes,
she's not.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm getting there though.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
One o'clock A hits forget it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So uh yeah, we appreciate, we appreciate
everybody texting in, and it was, uh.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And by the way, I never called Julio superstar batting
in one ninety four. He's actually batting one eighty four.
I said, he's not a superstar. I said that. So
we appreciate all the text there at four, nine, four
or five one. Keep them coming. Final segment with the
Mayor of Maple Valley, Gan Fornest. Next on MJ in
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Think I've heard a lot of glowing things about your
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Sometimes when he was on the other side of the glass,
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but no words were ever come out of your mouth.
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Get all panicked.
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Yeah, he didn't like that.
Speaker 11 (27:36):
I didn't like that at all. I'll do it to
Jess Randers as well sometimes. But it's a softy thing.
That's kind of I'll be honest with you. In turms
it's soft deal. Just you know, can you hear me hello?
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Hello, Hello? I don't hear it.
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When he's on remote. That's his favorite thing. Never he's
the only one that laughs at it. But you know whatever,
if he's entertained, we're all entertaining.
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Away we go.
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Speaker 1 (27:58):
I will tell you, Jeff and I, it's not that
I don't love to see Christopher Kidd our wonderful sales staff,
but Jess and I today at about nine to fifteen
in the morning, thanks to Aaron Oster, the sports marketing
manager here at the Circus Sports Book, brought our server
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great as it's seeing every one of you at let's
just say that, you know, the the eyebrows and the
ears perk up a little bit more when you're getting
served drinks in a thong at nine to fifteen in
the morning.
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I need drinks as in a Coca Cola because I
don't drink so but.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was it was a little bit of different scene
out here than it is in Elliott Bay.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
I would imagine the weather's probably different too. Is it
warm down there?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, it's Oh, it is beautiful. What is it toasty?
Oh it's very toasty right now? Ian so jolly degrees
right now? Oh?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Yeah, it's a little nicer. That's a little nicer than here.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Can I ask you an honest question? Yeah, I know
you're born and raised in Seattle. Yes, but I and
I think you've had this, so I think I I
think you at least had it once.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
What's better In and Out Burger or Dix Dix? Why?
Speaker 11 (29:04):
Like I find In and Out to be bland. I
think that it's not like it's a bun thing. I'll
use that it's a bun thing, like the buns are
kind of like cold, and I find them cold and
not as fresh. I think I'll do an in and
out Burger, absolutely, and and but.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
I'm not gonna. I'm not. I won't seek it out.
Speaker 11 (29:26):
I think Dix is just I think Dix is better
if we're just talking about because and then if you
want to add in the fries, it's not even close
because the fries that in and out are awful.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I disagree. I think they made him fresh. I
like them. The fries dis are.
Speaker 11 (29:40):
Soggy, oh I know, but you put them in the burger,
it's perfect. Buddy, come on out. Yeah, yeah, I go.
I go Pittsburgh style with that. But I but I
I I'll usually avoid the fries at both places. I
think the in and out fries are gross. They're like
they're like they're like little cardboard sticks, is what they are.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I know, I couldn't respectfully disagree more.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had a double double last night, animal style extra spread,
and I've never been happy.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It was worth it was double the amount of the
uper lift right to and from the Circa was double
the amount of what I spent on my food.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But it was worth it.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Man, why'd you eat it in and out when you're
in Vegas? There's a million good spots down there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But we don't have it in and out in Seattle.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
I gotcha.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
I mean listen, if I if i'm, if I see
in and out like we used to go. We had
a tradition, Seahawks preseason tradition with our crew, with our
crew when we were their partners and doing preseason games
and doing like our pre games and our post games
spring a preseason game they always finished playing in Oakland.
They always played the the Raiders, and the last game
of the year in the preseason, we would go there.
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Jess's friend, he's a former linebacker, works for another station.
Me Aaron Levine, and our entire crew, like eight of
us piled into a big suburban and we would go
and said linebacker would get an eighteen pack of Medelos
and then we'd sit in the longest in and out
line in the history Man outside the coliseum and get
her get her in and outs and some models. It
was a great postgame meal. But that was and I
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did that. I'll do that. But if i'm if i'm,
if you're asking me my honest and it's not even
a Seattle thing, I'll be honest with you. It's not
a Seattle thing, just personal preference, just personal preference. And
you know, and I like there's like I'm a big
fan of going to places that we don't have, Like
I love I'll give you the one that I love
that some people hate.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I love waffle House. I love the waffle.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Scattered after dark scattered.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
And just you got to go big with that.
Speaker 11 (31:32):
Yeah, there's and and when you can go to the
waffle house and just put the feedbag on like you're
like the cattle and you just you go through there
and you spend like eight dollars in your full for
like three days. That's a good deal, man. It's like
the last remaining good deal in America. America. I wish
we had Dunkin Donuts here too.
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You know what, Can I just tell you something so
you know their headquarters are in New England Landing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm glad we don't have her.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
What's wrong because.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, like first of all, the let me just I'm
gonna shatter a lot of people's myth those a lot
of those donuts are shipped.
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Off a truck.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
Don't care about the donuts. I just want the coffee, Okay,
the coffee. I just want the coffee, all right, I
buy I buy the curing coffee pods for my coffee.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
For my coffee at home of uh Duncan Donuts.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
It's gotta it's got a unique taste and that's and
it's just it's it's good.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I miss I like it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Dunk.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
If you can't get me Duncan Donuts, give me a
Tim Horton's what are the other Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I know because you got that Canadian idiot? What do
you got coming up?
Speaker 11 (32:31):
We're gonna, We're gonna jam and we go a lot.
Corbyn Smith talking all things NFL Draft, Seahawks, uh Ino,
sarahs from the Athletic talking all things baseball, and then
our last visit of the year. Kind of sad, bittersweet.
Gary Parrish, CBS Sports, wrapping up the college basketball season.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
You know what's funny, I gotta tell it. Softie is
like it's softy cut. I think mention what time is like? Yeah,
you only gotta get two or three questions on an interview, Hugh,
I I beat that record. I only got one today
with shit Door Sanders.
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I think there's probably about one hundred teams in the country.
There's probably the same odds.
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Live from Stadium Swim at the Circus Sports Book in
Las Vegas. Before we bring on our QB one Hugh
Millen on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline. There was a nice
exchange with Todd mcshae and Steve Mensch, his longtime co
host and guys who founded Scouts, Inc.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Over twenty something years.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Ago, and what they had to say about Colorado quarterback
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
The two people that I spoke to in these positions
left the meeting feeling like Shador Sanders was not overly concerned.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
With what they thought of him.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They had the fifteen minute meeting with them, and when
they were done, they both said, in different ways, different words,
that they did not feel like Shador Sanders cared all
that much about what that organization thought of him. I've
had multiple conversations too with these personnel people and other
personnel people who see the same things that we talked
about on tape. Best pure passer unbelievable when in rhythm, touch, timing, layering,
(01:01):
the ball throwing receivers open great instincts as a passer
when on the move, rolling right, rolling left, he can
do things that are magical right, but in those conversations,
He's not that great an athlete, holds onto the ball
too long, bailing out a lot right and left, leaving
easy cash on the field. It's a lot of the
same stuff that we were worried about with Caleb Williams
(01:23):
coming up. The difference is Chador is a fraction of
the athlete the Caleb Williams is, and we saw how
poorly that went this year, and so there's work to
be done with this guy.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think one of the overwhelming storylines coming out of
this combine is that not only is he not all
that close to cam Ward in terms of that quarterback
one race, that he's falling and that it's maybe quarterback
three discussion time.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now, wow, those are fighting words if you're should do
or Sanders and coach prime back on MJ The Midday
live from Stadium Swim here in Las Vegas at the
world's largest and best sports book outside. So, Hugh Millen,
you certainly don't have a shortage of opinion on Shador Sanders.
(02:10):
What do you think when you heard from Todd McShay
and Steve Mench what they had to say about the
Colorado quarterback that he could be QB three in this
draft and not be number two after cam Ord.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, I'm very intrigued by Shadour Sanders. I think he's
by far the most interesting player usually MJ. I go
to bed at midnight. Last night, I was up till
five twenty in the morning. I went down a rabbit
hole primarily with Shadoor Sanders. I watched all of the
Nebraska game, all of the Baylor game, all of the
Oklahoma State all of his sack reel, all of his
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interception reeal. I'm not done evaluating him, but I would
just say, and look, I was a Falcon when Dion
got drafted. I like Dion a lot. I want to
root for Shadar Sanders, but Shadre Sanders is not for me.
And you were talking about the leadership there that and
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how he's coming across. I mean, you go back to
that Nebraska game. They were down twenty eight to nothing.
He throws a pick six when it was seven nothing.
That is one of the there's not a single quarterback
coach offensive coordinator in the NFL that would say that
that play is not hideous from a quarterback perspective. He's
on the wide side, he goes shotgun three steps. He
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takes way too many steps. Then he takes two hitches,
holds the ball and throws late excuse me, into a
cloud coverage, meaning the safety's over the top, the corner
can rest on any short pass. He throws it a
half an hour late. It's an easy pick six. The
next day he's asked, Hey, what happened on the pick six?
And he goes, well, it's a rookie mistake because he's
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throwing to a freshman receiver. Yeah, if you're grading the
technique of a receiver, he winning yard too deep and
probably a little bit wide. But Sanders had all the
time to assess that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Then.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
And then in that same press conference, this is on
September eighth, This is two weeks into the season where
they're trying to he's trying to rally his team. He
was asked at some point in the press conference, he
goes how many times did Riola get touched? And then
he repeats it, how many times did Riyola get touched?
Riola was yep, Yeah, Ryola is the is the quarterback
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for Nebraska. Like and in that game, there's a left
guard for the for the Buffalo's number sixty six. His
name is Justin Myers. He was born in Woodland Hills, California.
He is the son of Andre and Myleen Myers. He
has a sister, Caitlin, and he plays five musical instruments.
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He say, Millan, why the hell are you saying all that?
Because he's a human being. And when Sanders was on
the ground after a sack, Justin Myers comes over and
reaches to help him up, and Sanders swats his hand away,
like get away from me. Literally watch his hand away. Now,
(05:01):
I want to ask you, you've been watching football a
long time when if you ever say said that, I'll.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Tell you what. You're in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You get in trouble, you you lose a front tooth,
and you get thrown in jail, and the judge of
the wacky judge, he says, I'll tell you what, Mark James,
you can get out of prison. The next time I
see a quarterback in major college football or in the
NFL swat away an offensive lineman who's trying to help
him out. You get to get out of prison when
that happens. Guess what you're gonna rock. You will never
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see that. I've never seen that. So there are all
kinds of leadership issues about this guy repeatedly throwing his
offensive line under the bus. I'll tell you the thing
I didn't agree with Todd McShay. I thought I thought
he was too glowing about his paths offense. Here's what
I like about him. I think on rhythm. In the
quick game, his feet are great one two, three, boom
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booming the balls out. Or I think he processes well
in the quick game. I think he shows a decent
amount of elusiveness in the pocket. But when you get
into the intermediate game, his feet are a mess. He
consistently drifts, not just behind the guard, he'll drift behind
the tackle on either side. You cannot do that in
(06:10):
the NFL. He will get out of the throwing position
and his hips are parallel to the line of scrimmage.
Then he has to reget back into the throwing position.
The layering of the balls. Yeah, if you want to
watch a highlight tape, yeah you can see some anticipatory
throws in the in the middle of the field.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But it's just not enough.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
I mean, everybody's going about he had seventy four percent
completion a rate. In fact, Colin Coward is just raving
about about Oh, this guy got seventy four percent. And
Collins a friend. He's from Aberdeen, Washington. He's a Husky fan.
He calls me a few times a year just to
bs I like, he's a.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Huskies fan, except when USC had that success in the
mid two thousands.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Each other. Yeah, well he's a Washingtonian.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
He is.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
No.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Well, okay, look, I'm not gonna debate you on that,
but i am gonna debate calling on on raving about
the seventy four percent completion. I broke it down into
the your first of all, start with this. Your attempts
behind the line of scrimmage, bubble screens. Cam Ward, you
can YouTube cam word busting Shador Sanders balls.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He says, this is cam Ward quote.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
They gave you a completion percentage of Ward, but all
you did was throw checkdowns in bubble street. Yeah, but
cam or Shador Sanders had one hundred and sixty eight
attempts at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That was number one in college football.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
So as we're barking about a seventy four percent completion,
I'm gonna break it down from zero to five yards.
Sanders completion percentage was number two in the NCAA. But
there's an on target. This is graded by PFF, who
every single NFL team subscribes to and every college team does. Okay,
so this is a subjection of on target percent Sanders
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was ninth five to ten yards in the line of scrimmage.
Sanders completion percentage one on target percentage twenty fourth, ten
to fifteen From the line of scrimmage. Sanders completion percentage
one on target twenty first, fifteen to twenty yards. Now
sanders completion percentage goes to thirty first is on target
twenty fifth, two more twenty to thirty yards.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
His completion percentage was twenty ninth, on target thirty ninth
and thirty to forty yards.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
His completion percentage was ranked thirty second and his on
target thirtieth.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That is what the tape shows. It's just like, dude,
there's not enough.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Now it's hard to be the quarterback for the Colorado
They do not have a good offensive line, either in
the run game of the pass game.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
They're poorty coach at the offensive line. The things they do,
they don't handle stunts. There's a lot of things, but
I don't see horsepower. Evidently I can talk all segment,
but I don't see horsepower from sure doors, either as
an athlete or in terms of his arm strength. Then
if you look at.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The guys by the way, hey Hugh, let me just
shu up there real quick, and you're not even getting
to the intangibles, which is lack of leadership. You gotta
be a leader because you pull that crap in an
NF you played in the NFL, I didn't, but you
pull that crap. And let's just say, Okay, you're going
up against you know, Patrick Mahomes, or you're going up
(09:25):
against uh, the Denver Broncos, and after a game, go
how many times did Bo Nich get sacked?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Today?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You let me tell you something. You ever see that
movie Full Metal Jacket? You, yeah, is that what the
old linem they're gonna do. They're gonna give them. They're
gonna get those soaps and the towel. They're gonna say
college where your daddy runs the show. Okay, in the NFL,
those are grown men. You have to be a leader
of men.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I had a draft analysts on the other day, and
I thought he did a great job, but like he
kept glowing. I thought he wanted to have Shador Sanders
firstborn child. Yeah, And I'm like, and I'm like, what
are you talking about. This guy's not a leader. Yes,
I think he has a high ceiling. I actually think
he might even have a higher ceiling than cam Ward.
And I cam Ward, I'm the president of the cam
(10:09):
hord Field Club. But Jimminy Christmas, like, I see it,
you see it. You dropped all that knowledge in all
those stats. And I'm literally asking you to please text
me all those stats because I want to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
And in the future, the next time I have Emery
Hunt on.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm gonna have you on and I'm gonna let you
two guys go at it because I'm with you, Hugh.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't see it.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And if the Raiders, who are just down the road
here in Henderson, in Nevada, in Vegas, yeah, or the
Jets at seven or the Steelers at twenty one, if
they make that mistake of taking Shito Sanders, they will
rue the day.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think any you know, probability is I'll accept anything
other than zero or one hundred. There's some probability that
he's gonna be a top flight NFL quarterback. You know
that's that's the game, right is assessing the probability. I
tried to touch on leadership at the beginning mark when
I was discussing how he threw rookie receiver Draylon Miller
(11:07):
under the bus on a horrible play that he Sanders
made himself, and the you know, his throwing his offensive
lineup under the bus. I'll tell you another thing on
the sack. Watch his sack really at exactly forty sacks.
I calculated sixteen that simply cannot happen. They are on
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the quarterback, and I had another six that were borderline
that some coaches would say. So twenty two out of
forty are inexcusable. Thirty three of the forty happened greater
than three seconds. He lost three hundred and thirteen yards.
That was number one in all of college football in
terms of yards lost. Not only does he take sacks,
(11:50):
but he will try and bail out the back door,
and he just isn't the athlete.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's like like, it's.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Like, dude, you didn't get your dad's athleticism, You've got
your mom's athletic. Stop trying to pull go twenty yards
behind the offensive line to bail out of places you
don't have the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Juice to do that.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
And and and just by comparison, because I had again,
I was up to five twenty man, I had some
caffeine going, but but kind of way at four. Yeah,
and then at before thirty, I said, you know what,
I'm gonna watch Caleb Williams sack reel from his last
year at USC just because it's fresh in my mind.
(12:30):
To compare Caleb Williams sack reel, it's just like almost
every single one, it's instant pressure. He he. He was
trying to go forward, minimize the damage. Look, there were
some exceptions, There were some. There was certainly a couple
few with Caleb as Williams and say no, dude, can't
take that sack. But the ratio it wasn't even close,
(12:52):
say I will I said it a month ago. I
continue to say it right up to the draft, which
I was. I hold the right to reserve and to
modify what I said, but I'm right now I'm standing
on this. I study first round draft pick quarterbacks every year.
This is my twenty seventh year doing the draft. Should
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or Sanders sack real is the worst of any potential
first round quarterback I have seen in twenty seven years.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Even worse than David Carr. Remember, well, I'm David Carr.
That would be a Texan.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You probably talk talking on he took so many sacks
with the Texans at Presno.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
State, Right, he didn't. He didn't take as many there
no at Fresno.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
No. I'm just talking and look, I'm not It's the
number doesn't really bother me.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm not. I'm not really looking at the number.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
What I'm doing is I'm looking, I'm saying, and I'm
putting myself in a quarterback meeting room on a on
a on a you know, a Sunday after a college game.
We're a Monday after and we're watching our tape. And
is my quarterback coach Libel to say, dude, that's on you.
And and I'm just looking and forget the numbers. I
just looked, and I say, how many times is that avoidable?
(14:06):
Like and and then you know, like red zone like
like just brutal, like the guys just right open in
the flat. Why are you dancing around the field. You
just took a fourteen yard loss to knock yourself out
of field goal rings and you had a guy wide
open in the flat like nobody was within ten years,
like like brutal sack reel from this guy? Now can
(14:28):
he develop? Is there some good things about his game?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I mean I tried to touch on those, but you
know what, right now and I got two more weeks
to put it in concrete suitor centers.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Not for me.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Oh and you said exactly the end at what you
said at the beginning, and I couldn't. I couldn't agree
with you more. Do I think that someone could get
a steal at the end of the first round?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Let me ask you this in less than a minute
and thirty you see, please stick to this time because
we got the masters at maybe less than a minute. Humill,
in time less than a minute, who would you take
if you're the NFL general manager and your job is
on the line, Humilling, who would you take Jackson Dart
or should dour Sanders?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I would take Jackson Dart and and I why why why?
Just for all the reasons.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's just I think the downside of should or plus
I think if it does go bad, I don't think
the adversary all it's gonna be a poop show.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Yeah, uh, you know, you know, with with Dion and
what have you. Uh you know, I mean, yeah, he's
got he's always gonna have a microphone, whether he's that
That's just what I said. You're getting the circus.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yes, yet you're getting and and and if things don't look,
we've already seen this kid. His dad won't won't counsel
him and say, hey, you cannot blame that brutal interception
on a freshman receiver. You cannot go into a press
conference and say, what how did the other quarterback get touched?
Like these are things that are hard nosed, like unforgivable,
(15:55):
like don't even let the thought pass through your mind
like a meteor like like that can't even end you
your head. So so look, Dion has done a hell
of a lot of cool stuff and I like him
as a person, but I do not like how he
has coached his quarterback. So yeah, I would take uh,
I take Dart. I watched Dark the Georgia game, which
(16:16):
is a great game. I watched the Kentucky game. And
when I watched these, I'm watching the All twenty two.
I'm the coach of Tyler. The end zone copy the
say I can see the safeties. There's things we'll talk
before the draft. There's things I don't like about Jackson Dart.
So I'm I'm not in love with Jackson Dart absolutely,
but but you asked me, I uh look, he pushes
the ball down the field more and uh you know,
(16:38):
he just he just he makes more NFL type throws. Yeah, Dart,
even though his offense isn't entirely an NFL offense.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Hugh Milling QB one. I love Hugh Milling. Hugh, you
owe me one thing though. We didn't get to the Seahawks,
so we're gonna have to have you back. Let's go
do it. When I get back from Vegas next week,
we're gonna get in a Seahawks draft.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Okay, rock and rolling now you take them, don't not
the other way around. All right, that's right, Hugh Millon
man IQB one. Like guys been here for twenty eight years, KJR.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I just that's what you call a breakdown of monumental
proportions with facts facts. So there it is, Hugh, great job,
great spot. We'll talk to you soon, Okay, next week
to break down the Seahak Thanks a lot, Hugh Millon here. Hey,
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Coming up next, what do you say? Text of the
Day four nine four five one, Live from Stadium Swim
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Speaker 1 (18:42):
We are so happy, we are so lucky and honored
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at Stadium Swim. All right, let's go with the what
do you say? Text of the day? All right, kid,
you lead us off.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
All right, I wasn't even in prepared. Let's see what
we got. No, no, I got it. No, no, no,
I got it.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Don't worry, I got I've got plenty of texts up here.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Why are these two yelling so much?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Where are you guys?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Hey? I think it's as we can hear because the music.
I think.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did you notice in the last forty five minutes if
the music got louder?
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
It did.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
I was wondering if you were right next to the DJ.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, not right next to him, it got louder. It
wasn't as loud as it was in the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
All right?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
From the two IHO six, Welcome to Seattle, the city
of excuses for all professional athletes. Julio was paid like
a superstar, and Brace is being a superstar. He should
thank his lucky stars. He lives in Snowflaketown.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Wow, I will say, coming from the East Coast, it
is a softer market out here and Seattle. Yes, oh yes, sorry,
I know we're in Vegas, but the West Coast seems
to be a little bit softer, less harsh than the East. Coast,
having been in New York, Boston and Connecticut at the network,
this is uh.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
But they're yeah right, tame go with Yeah. Yeah, I
could see that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But I also think that at least when the text
line people I talk to people here are past it.
People in Boston. I mean, the other day a fan
like went to like confront and almost try to fight
Marcus Smart form of Celtics so that those are the
passion of the fans and.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Bought like they take it. And Marcus Smart did nothing
but great things to the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Heeded lead to him to a title, but he bled
green and white when he was there the entire time.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
He was the first person I fell in love with
on that team almost you know, I married into Celtics
fanhood and I was so devastated when they traded him.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, and listen, I mean, so it is what it is,
all right? Do you want to read one chess? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Sure, hold on, we got a lot here.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Let's see, uh tip talking head for the Mariners. They're
losing and can't hit, but there is good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Boring.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
This team is boring.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Let me just say this to the text line.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Did you notice though I kind of checked Gary Hill
when he called Julio superstar.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I said, hear him, He's not a superstar. Okay, he's not.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
He has the makings, he could be won, he's not
definitely not a superstar.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
King. What do you got?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
All right?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
This is from the three six oh Dix is ten
times better than In and Out.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Mark, No, you are, you are absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I don't mind you being proud of Dick Seattle and
throughout the great state of Washington.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I love I love Dicks. I do.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
It's awesome. It's a great place. Uh you know their milkshakes.
I love the deluxe nowhere near in it out.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
I just don't think they have as much variation.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
As in Out.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Also like it's it's they stick to what they do
and you want very none.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, it's a no super you.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Yeah, no sup for you.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I love this show.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
But funny I am back in Washington. When you fly
down in Vegas, enjoy the circa.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's very quote scenic.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I think Lindsay is the proof of walking proof.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I mean it's uh yeah, you see that about nine
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That that'll raise some eyebrows. There is a lot of
beauty here there's no doubt.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yes, let's see what else have we got here. The
people that complain about Julio, that's coming from the four
two five. One never played two soon other COI cheetos
and drinking diet soda, saying I.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Could have hit that.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
That's an interesting combo, Cheetos and diet soda.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I don't drink diet soda. So I had everything there
but three.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
The guy's personable, plays hard, and it's still young.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And he's bad. Okay, he's in his fourth year. We
know he's young.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I saw I saw the maturation process of Mookie Bets
in Boston. I saw Muki become a really good player
into MVP and the best player in baseball. So I'm
waiting for Julio to get to that step.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think he can get there.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I want him to get there. Here's from the four
two five. The two early excuses not valid when he
has underperformed for multiple years.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Patience is over all capital letters.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Positive results are the only acceptable level of performance. Now,
I'll tell you what I don't there's nothing. Where's the
lie on that text? That is the to me, that's
the what do you say? Text of the day. We
can't keep giving you. Oh he's young. Oh, it's early.
Oh it's this, Oh it's that. Well, you're not on
E four.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I want to see what he's gonna do in May
and June and if he's gonna be able to lead
his team because.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
You're without Robless for half the year. Yeah, maybe the
season and bliss, it's pretty much done. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
I'm wondering if the frustration towards the team as a
whole ways into the frustration and lack of patience with Julio,
because there's a lot of vitriol coming towards this team.
They once again get off to a slow start.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They didn't do.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
What people wanted them to do in the off season,
with the exception of re signing Cal Rowley. So I'm
wondering if that is compounded the slow start that he
has had or the inconsistency.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, all right, final one for me here, let's
see here, just I just refreshed so on one second. Yeah,
people to what you said, people are they just had it.
The difference between Dixon in and out is Dix does
ten things outstanding, in and Out does fifty things mediocre,
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not even comparable. Oh man, someone said, how drunk is Yes,
she's not.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm getting there though.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
One o'clock A hits forget it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So uh yeah, we appreciate, we appreciate
everybody texting in, and it was, uh.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And by the way, I never called Julio superstar batting
in one ninety four. He's actually batting one eighty four.
I said, he's not a superstar. I said that. So
we appreciate all the text there at four, nine, four
or five one. Keep them coming. Final segment with the
Mayor of Maple Valley, Gan Fornest. Next on MJ in
the midday Live from the Circus Sports Books Stadium Swim
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mayor of Maple Valley, the salt of the Earth, the
Seattle Salt of the Earth. That's what I'm the that's
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me since I've stepped foot on Seattle two oh six soil,
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the Seattle Salt of the Earth Ian forness.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I what do you.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Think I've heard a lot of glowing things about your
former producer, Kevin Shockey.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No surprise, right yeah?
Speaker 11 (27:18):
No, absolutely yeah no, absolutely absolutely yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
By the way, I love was it you or told
me they think they used to mess with them.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Sometimes when he was on the other side of the glass,
you would pretend like you were talking on the ear,
but no words were ever come out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Get all panicked.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
Yeah, he didn't like that.
Speaker 11 (27:36):
I didn't like that at all. I'll do it to
Jess Randers as well sometimes. But it's a softy thing.
That's kind of I'll be honest with you. In turms
it's soft deal. Just you know, can you hear me hello?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Hello, Hello? I don't hear it.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
When he's on remote. That's his favorite thing. Never he's
the only one that laughs at it. But you know whatever,
if he's entertained, we're all entertaining.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
Away we go.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So that's it. That's it, man.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I will tell you, Jeff and I, it's not that
I don't love to see Christopher Kidd our wonderful sales staff,
but Jess and I today at about nine to fifteen
in the morning, thanks to Aaron Oster, the sports marketing
manager here at the Circus Sports Book, brought our server
over and she was wearing a thong bikini today. Her
name is Well, she's the lovely Lindsay and Ian. As
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great as it's seeing every one of you at let's
just say that, you know, the the eyebrows and the
ears perk up a little bit more when you're getting
served drinks in a thong at nine to fifteen in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I need drinks as in a Coca Cola because I
don't drink so but.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was it was a little bit of different scene
out here than it is in Elliott Bay.
Speaker 9 (28:36):
I would imagine the weather's probably different too. Is it
warm down there?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, it's Oh, it is beautiful. What is it toasty?
Oh it's very toasty right now? Ian so jolly degrees
right now? Oh?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Yeah, it's a little nicer. That's a little nicer than here.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Can I ask you an honest question? Yeah, I know
you're born and raised in Seattle. Yes, but I and
I think you've had this, so I think I I
think you at least had it once.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
What's better In and Out Burger or Dix Dix? Why?
Speaker 11 (29:04):
Like I find In and Out to be bland. I
think that it's not like it's a bun thing. I'll
use that it's a bun thing, like the buns are
kind of like cold, and I find them cold and
not as fresh. I think I'll do an in and
out Burger, absolutely, and and but.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
I'm not gonna. I'm not. I won't seek it out.
Speaker 11 (29:26):
I think Dix is just I think Dix is better
if we're just talking about because and then if you
want to add in the fries, it's not even close
because the fries that in and out are awful.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, I disagree. I think they made him fresh. I
like them. The fries dis are.
Speaker 11 (29:40):
Soggy, oh I know, but you put them in the burger,
it's perfect. Buddy, come on out. Yeah, yeah, I go.
I go Pittsburgh style with that. But I but I
I I'll usually avoid the fries at both places. I
think the in and out fries are gross. They're like
they're like they're like little cardboard sticks, is what they are.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I know, I couldn't respectfully disagree more.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I had a double double last night, animal style extra spread,
and I've never been happy.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
It was worth it was double the amount of the
uper lift right to and from the Circa was double
the amount of what I spent on my food.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But it was worth it.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Man, why'd you eat it in and out when you're
in Vegas? There's a million good spots down there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
But we don't have it in and out in Seattle.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
I gotcha.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
I mean listen, if I if i'm, if I see
in and out like we used to go. We had
a tradition, Seahawks preseason tradition with our crew, with our
crew when we were their partners and doing preseason games
and doing like our pre games and our post games
spring a preseason game they always finished playing in Oakland.
They always played the the Raiders, and the last game
of the year in the preseason, we would go there.
(30:45):
Jess's friend, he's a former linebacker, works for another station.
Me Aaron Levine, and our entire crew, like eight of
us piled into a big suburban and we would go
and said linebacker would get an eighteen pack of Medelos
and then we'd sit in the longest in and out
line in the history Man outside the coliseum and get
her get her in and outs and some models. It
was a great postgame meal. But that was and I
(31:06):
did that. I'll do that. But if i'm if i'm,
if you're asking me my honest and it's not even
a Seattle thing, I'll be honest with you. It's not
a Seattle thing, just personal preference, just personal preference. And
you know, and I like there's like I'm a big
fan of going to places that we don't have, Like
I love I'll give you the one that I love
that some people hate.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I love waffle House. I love the waffle.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Scattered after dark scattered.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
And just you got to go big with that.
Speaker 11 (31:32):
Yeah, there's and and when you can go to the
waffle house and just put the feedbag on like you're
like the cattle and you just you go through there
and you spend like eight dollars in your full for
like three days. That's a good deal, man. It's like
the last remaining good deal in America. America. I wish
we had Dunkin Donuts here too.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know what, Can I just tell you something so
you know their headquarters are in New England Landing.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm glad we don't have her.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
What's wrong because.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, like first of all, the let me just I'm
gonna shatter a lot of people's myth those a lot
of those donuts are shipped.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Off a truck.
Speaker 11 (32:10):
Don't care about the donuts. I just want the coffee, Okay,
the coffee. I just want the coffee, all right, I
buy I buy the curing coffee pods for my coffee.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
For my coffee at home of uh Duncan Donuts.
Speaker 11 (32:20):
It's gotta it's got a unique taste and that's and
it's just it's it's good.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
I miss I like it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Dunk.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
If you can't get me Duncan Donuts, give me a
Tim Horton's what are the other Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I know because you got that Canadian idiot? What do
you got coming up?
Speaker 11 (32:31):
We're gonna, We're gonna jam and we go a lot.
Corbyn Smith talking all things NFL Draft, Seahawks, uh Ino,
sarahs from the Athletic talking all things baseball, and then
our last visit of the year. Kind of sad, bittersweet.
Gary Parrish, CBS Sports, wrapping up the college basketball season.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
You know what's funny, I gotta tell it. Softie is
like it's softy cut. I think mention what time is like? Yeah,
you only gotta get two or three questions on an interview, Hugh,
I I beat that record. I only got one today
with shit Door Sanders.
Speaker 9 (32:59):
I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I love Milan, I love you Millan. Love that man.
And I've never met him, but I can't wait to
meet him.
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How fun go win some money?
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You gotta win.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
By the way, if I put money one hundred dollars
on the Cougars to win the college football National Championship,
I win half a million dollars if they won it. Yeah,
that's how little Vegas sticks of a cooker, I don't.
Speaker 11 (33:46):
I think there's probably about one hundred teams in the country.
There's probably the same odds.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Except for Troy. Troy, you could become a millionaire. If
you put one hundred dollars on Troy to win the
national title, you would win nine hundred and ninety thousand dollars.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Well, that ain't gonna happen either.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
No, that ain't gonna happen either.
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