June 17, 2025 • 35 mins
The Mariners struck out 15 times against the opening series against the Boston Red Sox, wow, this seems quite familiar doesn't it... Cal Raleigh and Julio both struggled against the Red Sox, but they should find their stride in game 2 right... Gregg and Christopher also discuss the NBA Finals and Tyrese Haliburton who struggled because of an injury.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A song from what the nineteen nineties, the year I
was born around around that time. I can say that
I was born in the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Look at that. Yeah I'm old. Well, yeah, you were old
enough to remember that song.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Oh yeah, I I yes, that was the jam.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, thank you. My daughter twenty two like that song.
So that's an ode to her Coast Guard Academy and
connect get that's why I play that song. People ask
me what is it? But hey, thanks. Chris played that
yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. I thought, you're gonna
play I don't know. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I felt right. That's, by the way, is that's how
Chris loves the role. When I first took the show
and what was that January February of twenty twenty four,
I sent him a big long show sheet and here,
here's what we're gonna do. Here's the outline. What do
you think, Chris, we can do that? Chris goes, no, man,
I don't want any of that. Let's just roll. Let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just seeing Greg's face, what do you mean let's roll?
Are you sure I need a little bit of structure.
You need, no struture, I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just let's go. Chris loves the shows when there are
no structure. I do have a few guardrails. You may
not think so, but I do have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
A few guard Say this, it's nothing compared to what
you think. Greg has like a few notes and that's it.
It's not like three pages of paper. It's good. Greg's fine.
A little back behind the scenes production, Greg, He's good.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thanks man. Yep, how the sausage is made on the
show today at eleven o'clock. Well, I tried to David Dwart,
longtime friend of ours. He talked to us this time
last year from South Florida about the Florida Panthers and
Edmonton Os. Well, they're at it again, with the Panthers
a chance to win the Stanley Cup again for the
second consecutive. Y're tonight, David work will join us from
South Florida at eleven o'clock on the Beacon Plumbing hotline.
On the same line at noon, My Navy man, my
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go army friend. Louke Arkins, author of the Mariners Can
sickly our newsletter. He wrote an interesting piece on Julia
Rodriguez is getting a little traction around town.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We'll I have to talk about that, Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I wonder what you say about last night's Bucky. I
guess there's one hundred and sixty two of those games. Man,
last night, We're gonna talk about the first. So it's
likely to be many legal challenges of the House settlement.
We alluded to this yesterday, but college sports has changed forever.
I think all of us have realized that. Well, it
got codified this month by a federal judge in San Francisco.
(02:12):
Now it's that settlement that's not a couple of weeks old,
is already getting challenged on the grounds that everyone knew
would be challenged on Title nine and female athletes. Female
college athletes are already challenging the legality of it, the
payments of it. Ninety percent of the money to damage
is two point eight million dollars in damages as part
of the settlement to past athletes who didn't get nil.
(02:34):
Ninety percent of that money Chris is going to men's
basketball and football, seventy five percent of football and fifteen
percent to men's Prized YO. They're the revenue producers. Also,
the money that's going to be paid going forward, out
of the athletic department's coffers are for the same seventy
five percent expected to go to football in most schools,
fifteen percent of men's basketball. You can do the math. Most, no,
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not most, All college camp is have more than ten
percent of women playing sports because otherwise they wouldn't have
federal funding because it'd be against Title nine. So this
agreement fundamentally goes against Title nine, which says they have
to have equal representation and equal pay. Equal scholarships was
paid up until this point for women as for men,
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and you have to have the same proportion of the
student body of men and women that you do in
the athletic department and in their student athletes. Well, the
pay is now going to be ninety to ten for men.
And that's where the inherent rub is. And a lot
of people in the legal community think that the House
Settlement is flawed from the get go because of Title nine.
We'll talk about some of this how it affects the
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University of Washington. Pat Chunn, the University of Washington's athletic director,
is going to have a press conference tomorrow at two thirty.
I'm sure Ian'll be carrying at the end of his shy.
Although he's a Kuga. Maybe I shouldn't be so sure,
but we are the home of the Huskies here.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Maybe the future of the GM getting continue.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
There are even differences we'll talk about between, of course,
how Washington is going to lot this money. How Washington
stated there has to be because Washington makes tons more
in the Big ten. Then Washington State is trying to
scrape together and make it up the reformed pack. Twelve
tons going on in that realm, and it's all supposed
to start July first, by the way, that's what the
house is.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I'm sure you got this all the news regarding
the Koogs in their track and field program. That just
broke my little heart because that's the track former track athlete.
I couldn't imagine what these athletes are going through, just
because I'm happy that they're still giving the scholarship away
to some of those athletes that are not going to
be participating sports anymore because of this. But that was
just a gut punch, and that's gonna happen a lot more.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They're gonna cut field events the Husky the Cougars are
and they're gonna limiting the program basically to sprinting and
hurdling and Christian capacity. Correct, it's it's about a half
half a team. Yeah, and Chris, you know this. Track
teams carry a lot of people because of all the events.
It's not like they have just a first string and
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a second string.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They have alternates, the whole gambit. So they're probably hundred
plus exactly, most schools one hundred plus easily.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah. So yeah, of course you know the reason for that,
and that's money. And this is the way the haves
and the have notts are gone, and this is the
way the halves want it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And it's going to get worse. Sobasu is the first
domino and there's going to be more to come. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The reason why, by the way, that Washington State will
not just cut the track program outright is what they
are already, and so is Oregon State. Already at the
minimum number of sports you can feel to B Division one,
So if they would have decided to let's just cut
it all together, then they would be below the threshold
and have to go down to Division two. So it's
it's nuts, man, all for money. Also, the haves get more,
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and not just the student athletes. I should say we're
talking the athletic department, the athletic directors, the coaches, the facilities,
all of that, and Washington feels like it's on the
best side of that now because it is in the
Big Ten. Even though they're getting half a share. They
are in the halves Conference. Washington State and Oregon State
obviously are not after getting left behind twelve thirty one,
wayback to Tech. Well, first of all, before twelve thirty
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one to talk, Abe Lucas was gonna talk. You're gonna
hear from him. I'm starting right tackle for the Seahawks.
He has some interesting comments on his first impression of
Sam Darnold that made me laugh and he also m
koug's laughing about that one too. And also you described
I thought pretty well what the difference is in this
Seahawks offense from now till last year. He was really
clear on what new offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak has been
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really clear to the players about. You'll hear from Abe
Lucas twelve thirty one. Reback to your text at four
nine four twelve forty five. Ian Furness will come in
before the Mayor's show from one until three. I'm still
regaling in the fact that I was allowed into the
fortress in Abel Valley on Saturday. That was guy. I
didn't mean to lead the impression yesterday that everyone in
Maple Valley, who said, who's this guy just walked in?
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Didn't welcome me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
They were great, Siah Finesse, you have an important guess.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's pretty much Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He has to be Greg Bell of the s Tacoma
News Tribute. Have you heard of sir? Actually I have
bring him in. He brought goods as well.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Bring in the proletariat. Yes, it was like the.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Actually, yeah, Greg bed has arrived.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Siah. It felt like that going into Maple Valley, it
really did.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Would you like something to drink?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I would you spend much time in Maple Valley? It's
it's all out there, I will. I think twice as
I was driving out there Saturday, it made me think,
why does Richard Sherman live out here? It's quiet?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Actually I don't know why does he live out there
in gigantic estate?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But there you go. But it is a commute, I
mean because most of that road is two lane and
that backs up if it's busy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, Greg, you're probably gonna be like, why did I
move out?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It? It's like a thirty five minute haul Togo. So
when the.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mayor's running late, that's why we can under you know,
two lanes. Something happened. Mayor is not too happy about it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You get it. The Maple Valley Highway, which is swarming
with cops usually because people don't want to go forty
five miles an hour. Maybe that's why he does his
show at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Huh, I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In I understand he's probably driving now listening to us
because he has to get here in time. By one o'clock.
You'll hear from him. This shows from one to three
Quest and then Dave Saw with Tofty Moller and Dick
Fame from three until seven. Lots going on around the city. Tonight,
the Mariners had the second game of their three game
series against the Red Sox. Night game tonight, day game tomorrow.
(08:23):
Four and a half back of the trash Cans. Brian
Wooz starting tonight, Logan Gilbert really really encouraging last night.
His fastball was about ninety five and a half miles
an hour on average, but all the swings and misses
he got he had ten strikeouts since eight of them
were swings and misses. He had twenty one swings and
missus total, and all the pitches he threw three eighty
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four pitches, twenty one of them were swings and misses.
And that was Gilbert's first start since April the twenty fifth,
so that was encouraged. It got lost, of course, in
the just kaleidoscope of strikeouts. I mean it felt like
twenty twenty four. How many times did we sit here
in this hour of this time last year talking about
the strikeouts?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
You know, when you brought up the fifteen on my head,
I said, damn, this is really bad, because this is
exactly what we were talking about. Chris. They had twelve
strokes last night, Chris, they had nine, eleven thirteen. Pitching
was great though. Oh the Mariners lost one zero, Yeah right,
they lost two zero last night to the Boston Red Sox.
Not a great start to the series. But optimist, Chris, here,
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there's time.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's time.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You get a win tonight, one to one. See if
you can win the series Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The Red Sox. I they've won six in a row.
They got done sweeping the Yankees out of Fenway Park
this past weekend, then flew in here and now they've
won the first game of the series against the Mariners,
and the only thing Loger Gilbert did wrong was allow
a solo home run on the third bat of the game,
and that was it. That's all the Mariners needed to lose.
But the Mariners obviously very encouraged by how Loger Gilbert's
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first start was, and he went a little further than
I thought, Chris, we talked yesterday. It's about seventy ish
on pitches when they come back from injury.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And if you mentioned that yesterday, yeah, I guess he's good.
I guess I'm no doctor, but micron Son was just
bringing him back a little early, trying to get momentum,
just to get the team rolling in some consistency because
they were in a rut as a week ago, and
having him back was huge. And yeah, you mentioned eighty
three pitches.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Was it eighty four? Eighty four?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So all right, cool, let's let's get a win though
with that, you know that would be nice, And fifteen
strackoffs doesn't really help your stars not playing well. Stars
not ain't just Julio, but the team didn't play well
at all yesterday but I guess this is just how
many times can we say it's a long baseball season
before we run out of that because the season we're
halfway through it pretty much at this point.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I said, forty plus percent of the game so far.
Fortune it's one hundred and sixty two. It's only mid June.
But yeah, the strikeouts, of course the huge concern. I said,
Kyle Rawley swung at two pitches that were on his
shoelaces for strikeouts with five total men on base in
a game you scored zero, the bases loaded, nobody out
in the third and strikeout, strikeout, strike it. It was like
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the Bugs Bunny cartoon. Remember the ephis pitch that the
guy would swing three times at the same pitch. That's
what it felt like. And then the eighth inning two
on nobody out. We'll break it down about that. That
was crazy. About what happened after that, and Julia Rodriguez's approach,
not just what he did the result, but the approach
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there after. The guy had thrown eight consecutive balls to
enter his start, is outing to put first and second
and nobody out four nine, four to five one on
the text line, I still can't believe it's unnamed. It's
open forbidding. If you want to bid on it and
sponsor it. We'll name your outfit or yourself if you
want to sponsor it, about four hundred times a day
if you want to sponsor it. But on the text
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line four nine, four to five one, we'll read him
back at twelve thirty. You're I mentioned a little bit
about this yesterday. Are you fed up with the manners?
Are you optimistic because of Logan Gilbert's start? You're tired
of seeing the same old, same all? And where are
you on them adding a bat? Do you think a
Metia is gonna hit? I was gonna say safeg Field
before they add an impact bat before the trading deadline.
(12:08):
Sometimes it feels that way. I see people talking about Devers,
and we said this yesterday, Chris. Can you really blame
the Poto and Hollander and Stanton and the Mariners for
not assuming a contract that has a quarter of a
billion with a bee left on it for the next
eight years guaranteed without a question? Do you doubt? Do
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you think they should have done that? No?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But I also something you said yesterday. I put a
note and obviously I don't have my note anymore. But
I don't think it is Jerry to putto feeling the pressure.
I think that's what it really comes down to as well.
Is he feeling the pressure that if he doesn't get
it done, I don't know this year, next year he's
going to be fired.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, where's that pressure Chris have to come from? Well?
We know is John Stanton And we brought this up yesterday.
Is John Stanton going to give Jerry to puttal pressure
when they come off a one and eight stretch in
a one and five road trip and they get thirty
five thousand at the yard for fireworks night the first
game back.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Probably not right, I guess so's it's a lose lose.
If you don't do anything, you piss off the fan base,
and you also lose because your team is not really improving.
You're relying on guys that are okay, but now you're
asking them kind of what we discussed all last year
to be great, and here we are again with that
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same kind of cloud hovering. The only issue has been
okay earlier on this season. It was the pitching that
was like ooh, a little rocky, and well, yeah that
was my that was my biggest concern company this season.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Last year, last year.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Last year there was no injuries, and I was going
in I think at the end of the season, I said, well,
my concern is now we got the Mariners got lucky.
They didn't have guys going down left and right. The
altinly just sucked. And now you're banking on everyone being
healthy for pitching. I'm not trying to say this is
gonna happen, but there's a potential that guys can get
banged up. And what do you know, pitching wasn't all
that guys got banged up. And here they are with
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the offense okay, teetering and you're pitching teetering. Two things
teetering at once. Not a good sign. Whereas last year
elite pitching, terrible offense couldn't really carry it. Maybe this
year there's some optimism that the teetering stopped at a
certain point for both sides and they find some consistency,
and maybe they go on a ten game win streak
into the postseason and they're red hot and we get
to talk about playoffs in September October. Dare I say.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's happened once in the last quarter century.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, did I just do too much?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
There? You did? That's optimistic, that's a best half full leg.
But yeah, and I get it. Of course they need
to add an impact bat, and yes they need to spend,
but I'm not sure Raphael Devers was the one. That's
a hell of a long contract commitment at a quarter
of a billion with a B he could hit one
hundred in Seattle with the marine layer in the background
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and all the other things you can blame Seattle and
the hitters for, and they still have it to have
to pay him two hundred fift he'd be Robinson Cano
two point zero. So I get it, but I can't
fault the Mariner's end devors. I mean the Red Sox
president and GM and owner must be John Henry must
be doing flips right now at Fenway Park. I can't
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believe they got rid of that contract that someone actually
treated for that the San Francisco Giants did. Coming up,
how winnable was last night's Mariners game? Man, I could
even put my high school baseball cap on and fundamentals
to talk about how winnable that game was. Eleven o'clock,
We're going to go to South Florida. Talk to David
Dwerk of The Hockey News about Game six tonight between
Edmonton and Florida, with the Panthers a chance to win
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the Cup. At noon, Luke arkins our man coming on
back to the show, The Return of the Americans, The
Return of the Luke at noon to talk about Julia
Rodriguez and the Mariners. All that coming up in more
on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, sorry, I must apologize. It's not Mark James. Craig Bell.
The News Tribune reunited with Christopher Kidd here for the week.
Mark James is gone. He'll be back on Monday, thing
twenty third. Correct, I'll be that he's away for the week.
Rich Moore asked me, Hey, would you like to come
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in and fill in from ten to one? I said,
Chris Kid wonna be working, he said yep. I said,
hell yeah, sign me up. Running it back like it's
twenty twenty four. Thanks for listening. Great to hear from
your listeners on the text line already filling up. I
appreciate that there was a lot of welcome back, and
it's great to hear Chris Kidd and you again together.
And I'll lean on Chris here in the next segment
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about the NBA Finals, although he was being Roger and
Ebert last night with Jackson and his other job as
a podcaster for movies.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, man, we can get into that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
We can get into a bit.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I will say this. You will love it Greg, Okay,
you like Brad Pitt by any chance.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's okay, you'll love my wife loves I should probably,
of course we'll steer away from that. Is that her?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Is that her? Quote unquote hall pass. You guys had
that discussion?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, exactly, I guess so. The lead singer of.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh never mind, Yeah, it's okay you Why do you
put my business out there?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Match Box twenties? How minimal was this winnable? Excuse me?
Was this Marinder's love? We also minimal? Offensively well, bases
loaded nobody out in the third, down to nothing, Logan
Gilbert still in the game, on his way to ten strikeouts.
So get a runner two there and Gilbert has a
chance to win in his first start in two months.
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JP Crawford struck out swinging day after, of course, he
hit the grand Slam that completed the sweep against Cleveland.
How much can they ruin good vibes in one game? Man?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That was wild when we watched the tape of the game,
and that will tell you'll say everything you said. Fifteen struckouts, baces.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Load, nobody out. JP Offord strikes out, Hulio Rodriguez strikes out,
swinging in. Kyle Rawley struck out on a pitch that
was on top of his shoelaces. I mean it had
to have dragged dirt. I mean that that was an
unhittable pitch that he swung at the first time with
the bases loaded, and then two out in the third,
So they get nothing on the basis loaded and nobody out.
Cardinal Sin, you at least put the ball in play,
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make them have to decide whether to throw the ball
if it's just bunting or throwing a bat at the ball,
make contact with the bases loaded in less than two out,
and they didn't do that at all. Then in the
eighth dinning, first two manners reached the reliever comes in
for Boston, Greg Wassert. He threw eight straight balls, ball four,
ball four, So now that he had two in the
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first ball for it was Cole Young, the number nine hitter.
You got a two run lead and you walk the
nine hitter rookie, another cardinal sin of baseball. It was
like watching subterranean high school. It was not even high
school case.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You guys forgot great coaches baseball. I couldn't believe the
approaches here. I mean tunnel pitches to the nine hitter.
He walked them on four pitches. Then Crawford gets walked,
so they got two on. Nobody out in the eighth.
Now the bull they're into Boston's bullpen.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
He thrown eight straight balls, Chris first and second, nobody out.
Juliaro Rodriguez tried to swing out of his shoes on
the first pitch. He had not thrown a strike yet
in the game through two batters. At the very least,
you're really selective there, right, You're like, this has to
be center cut ninety three at the belt for me
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to swing like he did. At the very least, Yeah,
he swung in a pitch that might have been on
the black on the outside edge, maybe not a hitter's
pitch at all, a pitcher's pitch, and he swung like
he was trying to hit the mercer island and he
missed it. Did you see his whites? You could exhausted
and missed it the next pitch. So Waisert has yet
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to really throw a strike. That was a borderline strike.
It might have been called a ball. Nine pitches in,
he's yet to throw a bonafide strike. And he throws
him up and in on his hands off speed looked
like a change up jams them and Rodriguez swung again,
and there was this little, soft, looping liner to center field.
For the first time. I couldn't believe that he swung
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twice at pitches that were nowhere near hitters' pitches. It
was just incredible that the pitcher knew he didn't have
to throw him a strike. He had not thrown a
strike in two batters. Man, you shouldn't have to give
a major league especially not one making two hundred and
fifty million dollars a take sign in that situation. But
it's obvious what you need to do there, make that
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guy find the strike zone, or else you got bases loaded.
Nobody out for cal Rawly. With the game on the line,
he swung at the first two pitches, both of them unhittable,
the second one up and near his fist, and he
basically pops out a soft line drive from the first out.
That changed the entire ending. To me, I said to
my Sonate, we were watching the game, well the end.
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They just lost the game on that that those two
swings right there, because now the pitcher can now know
that he can He's unburdened from the fact he hadn't
thrown a strike yet in the game, and the pressure's
off of him. They had the picture on the ropes
man and they took him off with Rodriguez swinging at
the first two pitches of that at bat. I'm gonna
ask Luke Carkins at noon about that sequence, in particular
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to Aaron Goldsmith's credit. I noticed he said after the
soft liner, Julio aggressive there. Gold Was said on the
Root Sports broadcast, that's a euphemism for not smart. But
he can't say that as a Mariner's employee, so he
says a goal, Julio really aggressive there after the pitcher
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had not thrown a strike in eight pitches. So Roley
see I was soon to be an All Star. He's
leading the fan voting in ketcher. When's the last time
Mariners had a fan vote lead for All Star voting.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm a guess, maybe Dan Wilson in that position, Catcher.
No I'm talking about No, I wasn't the catcher, but
I was thinking that at all. Maybe Ken griff Yeah
it's been a while. Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Kyle Rowley leads the fan voting in the original or
the initial release of All Star Voting for fan voting
for the All Star Game next month in Atlanta. He'd
already struck struck out with the bases loaded in the
third inning, and then he struck out on a change
up in the eighth that he attempted again, the golf
off of his shoes again, Raleigh swinging at pitches that
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weren't even close to the strikes on. With the game
on the line, Jorge Palanka, like Rodriguez, also got sought
off and fouled out on a pop fly past the
third base coaching box. Strikeout, strikeout, file out, two on,
nobody out ending over unbelievable. They had five on in
nobody out in the third and the eighth innings and
didn't even advance a base runner, let alone score. Nobody moved.
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I mean that is unforgivable. Chris an approach. The approach
there is to, like I said, put the ball in play,
even if you risk a double play with the basis
load nobody out. Your job is to put the ball anywhere, ground, air,
anywhere in play so that the defense has to decide
where to go with the ball and has to make
a play, whether it's a force out at home, okay,
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bases loaded, one out. The one thing you cannot have,
of course, in that situation is a strikeout, because you
can't nothing can happen. The runners can't run, the defenders
can't decide where to throw with the ball. There can't
be airs, there can't be sacrifice flies, there can't be
anything on a strikeout. It's pretty much the same with
two on in nobody out, two on, nobody out, as
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the two hitter with the three hitter that's leading the
league in home runs on deck. At the minimum, you
hit the ball on the right side to advance the runners.
That's fundamental baseball. But if your Holy Rodriguez and you're
hitting making two and fifty million. You're not paid to
advance the runners. You're paid to drive in run. So
he tried to do that in the first pitch. But
you don't do that after the guy had thrown eight
straight balls. You make that guy work to count and
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see if he can actually find the strike zone at
the maybe you walk and now you have basis loaded
nobody out for Rawley. You don't swing from your shoes
in the first pitch. It was. It's the approach that
just those that try to teach baseball. And I'm not
a baseball expert, but I sure as hell tell my
guys if the guy has just throwing eight straight balls
that you're not swinging on the first pitch. I don't
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care who you are. If you're a best hitter, you're
not swinging.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's almost like in basketball, if a guy is supposed
to be this great shooter and he's missed, i don't know,
eight shots in a row. Maybe play off him a
little bit, yeah right, make him, yeah, you know, make
him make a jump shot. Okay, you made one, all right,
Now I'll come back and play a little better defense
on you. And that's to your point about Julio. He
threw eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah he did, buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know what, Let's see if you can find the
zone again and maybe you find a sweet spot and
you do hit it out of the park or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But at least see what he has left. But the
sweet spot right, you should be looking in a box.
It's like that big, tiny center cut. Like I said
on the belt, to swing like he did, you don't
just go up there swinging no matter what, which is
what he did on that first pitch. Then the bottom
of the ninth when a rolled at Chapman came on,
I didn't realize he's the Red Sox closer. He was
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up my pirates last year. He's seventy seven years old
and he's still humming at one hundred miles an hour
and he absolutely blew the Mariners away in the bottom
of the night. Randy a Rose Arena one hundred miles
an hour fastball, Dylan Moore wasn't even closed. And what
is Solona doing up there? He had no chance at
the end of the game, I mean none. He could
have just gone up there, told the umpire he's now
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out and walking back to the dugout. He would have
lasted longer than he did that at bat. I mean
a Roldest Chapman at age seventy seven blows away the
Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, and all the
good vibes of the three games sweep of Cleveland is
gone because of how alarming that loss was. It wasn't
just oh, it was a competitive game. It was not.
They were not competitive at all offensively. That's a concern.
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It's not like, yes, I did say the Red Sox
have won six in a row. They just got done
sweeping the Yankees. There are only two games over five
hundred as well, and they are back in the American
League West East as much or further than the Maners
are in the West. The one again, the one silver
lining to last night, the trash Cans lost in West Sacramento.
Somehow the a's of one four in a row suddenly
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after losing for a month, and so the lead is
still four and a half in the American League West
Houston over Seattle. The good of last night on the
field for the Mariners again is logan Gilbert four nine,
four to five. One tell him we're dude, oh almost said,
tell them we're do text line. I can't believe it's
still unsponsored four nine, four to five one. On the
text line, Logan Gilbert, what'd you think encouraging is that
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the Mariners bets aren't always going to do that. Maybe
they do. They're not going to strike out fifteen times
get shut out every time Logan Gilbert pitches like that.
So is that encouraging for you? Four nine four y
five one. Where are you at with the Mariners? It
sounds like I ask you that every time I'm sitting
in this chair, and it's always in this context of
what just happened. It was an abomination. Offensively. You can
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talk about Devers. We've had some people chime in about Devors,
whether they should have gone and gotten Rafael Devers with
two hundred and fifty million, eight years remaining in the contract.
I get it that he's making twenty four million, twenty
three million a year on average. That's not the point.
The point is that average is for eight more years,
he's twenty seven, going to be thirty five when that
contract ends. That's a heck of a thing to bring
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on and think this is your guy. You have to
be absolutely convinced that that's the guy that will fix
your lineup for a decade. If you're going to invest
a quarter of a billion dollars for eight years, it's
not the per year money, it's the fact that that
what deal is going to last until hell, Jerry to
Pottle will be like sixty years old by the time
that contract's over. He might have a strand of gray
hair by the time that contract's over. Probably not that
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he'll let it get to that point. He would probably
stop it before then. Four nine, four to five, and
we'll read back your text. We're gonna talk to Luke
Arkins more about the Mariners, about Holy Rodriguez. He wrote
a really interesting piece on his Mariners consigli our newsletter.
That's a lot of people are talking about saying that
back off, basically as Chris put it back off. We're
going to talk to Luke Arkins at noon on the
Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Up next the NBA Finals. Oklahoma City
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is one game away and Tyreese Holliburton was mi Ia.
Apparently there was a reason for that. We'll talk about
that next on ninety three point three. Kjir offm Welcome
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back to the Greg Bell Show with Christopher Kidd's what
he used to call it, in twenty twenty four, So
we're going to call it out again here for the
next couple of days or reunited. Yes, sir, I'm filling
in for Mark kids, having a little fun with that
from now and through Friday. Mark'll big back on Monday,
So I'm sorry to disappoint those of you looking for
Mark James. He won't be back until the twenty third of
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March or twenty third of June. On Monday, Greg Bell
with you from the News Tribune, and we're talking about
the NBA Finals. Chris is Sport the Oklahoma City Thunder
now one went away from their first franchise NBA title
despite whatever, but in the national media tries to tell
you it will be the franchises first partly because Tyrese
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Haliburton made zero baskets last night. In thirty four minutes,
he shot the ball six times and he did not
have one basket over four from three point range. They lose.
He is now the Pacers in this playoffs are eight
to zero when he scores at least twenty points. There's
six and seven when he scores fewer than twenty points.
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And by the way, now the series goes ft Thursday night,
to Indianapolis for a must win for the Pacers Game six.
Chris had mentioned this yesterday. When a team takes a
three to two lead in the best of seven series
in the NBA Finals, history says forty to forty nine
win the series. That's eighty two percent. So that's what
the Pacers are up against. And now Haliburton, Chris has
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an injury. Apparently he injured his calf in the first
quarter last night, and there was discussion among the Pacer
reportedly discussion among the Pacers' medical staff on whether he
should even take the court in the second half. And
this gets into when do you hurt or help your team?
He's their best player, but he has zero baskets in
one leg. Is it a good thing for him to
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play the entire second hand? Now? Rick Carlisle, who you
lauded yesterday as one of your favorite coaches in the NBA,
said hey, this is a lifetime opportunity for these guys,
and he's right. They may never get back here. No
one expected the fourth seeded Pacers in the East to
get over through Boston and New York and everybody in
the East, and they did. So where do you land
on that Chris as an athlete, you've played her, you
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ran hurt in track. Oh I didn't run, Greg, I
limped across the finish line. But AnyWho in that sense,
is he hurting the team by playing with one leg?
He is, and it takes a lot of courage to
sit out because of that, and I don't think he would.
I think that's a conversation he's yount have to do
with maybe his dad, his coaching staff and and really
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try to figure out is this what he needs to
do because the fear is maybe an achilles injury, especially
with calf injuries nowadays, when you hear a calf injury,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Why, but it just automatically goes straight to Achilles. And
we've saw that a lot year after year with players
that played through.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It, with Jason Tatum and the Celtics right the.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Earliest example I remember would be Kevin Durant who had
that strain. He came back in the finals when the
Wars are trying to get another championship, and it cost him.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So that's what you're weighing. And I get it. A
lot of sports people call you out, Oh, it's a championship.
You got to go out there and give it all.
At some point you have to realize to your point
helping hurting team. Hell, if you do this and you
get hurt, you could potentially miss an entire season. Now
I know it's not guaranteed, but do they have a
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better chance with or without you? Maybe think about that
as well, because losing Halliburton for an entire for a
lengthy time, I'll just lay it at that is not
going to help the Pacers chance of winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And you're right, he would hear about it if he
didn't play.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah he would.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But that's what comes with it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That's what comes with it, right. You have to realize
the situation you're in and maybe you're gonna work ten
times as harder next year to be in that same position.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
The thunder now knows that he's wounded. Oh's and when
he plays, we're pick and roll on the whole time.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
They're going to him.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, that's part of the game. So you really have
to have that big conversation A what does the risk
b are you helping or hurting your team? And see Halliburton,
is this, what do you want to do, because those
are things that Kevin Durant had to do in twenty nineteen.
He decided to go out there and play through it,
and he got hurt, missed an entire season. Toronto Raptors
were the champions. That's what it comes down through. So
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I hope they make the best decision and the right decision. Well,
I guess there is no right decision. Make the best
decision for yourself and you live with the results. Right,
That's what I think you can do in this situation.
Situation from ESPN's Jamal Collier. He wrote that Halliburton went
to the locker room last night early in the game
before returning in the second quarter of calf rapped. He
finished the game, but his production was limited. I mentioned
he scored four points, all from the free throw line,
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matching his lowest scoring total of his playoff career, and
finished without a field goal for the first time in
his playoff career, zero for six in the field Here's
what Haliburton said after the game, quote, it's the Finals.
I've worked my whole life to be here and I
want to be out there to compete help my teammates
any way I can. I was not great tonight by
any means. But it's not really a thought of mine
to not play here. If I can walk, then I
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want to play. And this has been going on for
most of the series. Haliburton limped off after the postgame
press conference following Game two, and the Pacers then said
it was a right ankle injury. Monday he said that
it was quote the same area, which gets to your point, Chris,
if it's not truly the ankle, you start worrying about achilles.
Pacers coach Rick Carlos said it was clear Haliburton was
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not one hundred percent, but did not expect in to
miss any games, especially with Indiana seasons on the line.
Following Monday's loss, this is what Carlos said to reporters
last night after game He's not one hundred percent. There's
a lot of guys in this series that aren't. This
is a lifetime opportunity. Not many guys are gonna sit
even if they are a little banged up. If you're injured,
that's a different story. Well that's the point, right, I
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think he is injured. It looks pretty obvious. I don't
think that's a question.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Carlill finished by saying, but we'll evaluate everything with Tyrese
and see how he wakes up today. It also the
advanced stats from Genius iq said that Haliburton had sit
six total drives to the basket in Game five last night,
his fewest in a game this postseason, tied for the
second fewest in a playoff game in his career. And
that's the other thing, Chris, Now that if the thunder
know this and then he's not driving, he's just settling
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for jump shots that he's not making, you can back off.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, we talk about Julio on the strikeout right, go
ahead and knock those down, buddy, good luck exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So now you have another defender to help everybody else
that Haliburton maybe dishing off to to try to reduce
the scoring on him Siakham for instance. Yeah, not good,
it is, and you hit the athlete who may never
be he's never been here before.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Absolutely, I'm not taking away any athletes that do want
to go out there and risk it and give it
their all, But at some point you got to look
at your future like is it really worth it? Because
I know it's a one time Maybe maybe it's a
lightning on the ball that you made the NBA Finals,
but what's the second happened again? Right, there's it happens.
So it's tough decision for the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm next the Stanley Cup Finals game six to night
in Florida. David d Wart covers the Panthers and the
Hockey News, and WPLG in South Florida joins US next
from Florida on ninety three point three kJ RFF
A song from what the nineteen nineties, the year I
was born around around that time. I can say that
I was born in the early nineties.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Look at that. Yeah I'm old. Well, yeah, you were old
enough to remember that song.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Oh yeah, I I yes, that was the jam.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, thank you. My daughter twenty two like that song.
So that's an ode to her Coast Guard Academy and
connect get that's why I play that song. People ask
me what is it? But hey, thanks. Chris played that
yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. I thought, you're gonna
play I don't know. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I felt right. That's, by the way, is that's how
Chris loves the role. When I first took the show
and what was that January February of twenty twenty four,
I sent him a big long show sheet and here,
here's what we're gonna do. Here's the outline. What do
you think, Chris, we can do that? Chris goes, no, man,
I don't want any of that. Let's just roll. Let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I just seeing Greg's face, what do you mean let's roll?
Are you sure I need a little bit of structure.
You need, no struture, I got you.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Just let's go. Chris loves the shows when there are
no structure. I do have a few guardrails. You may
not think so, but I do have.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
A few guard Say this, it's nothing compared to what
you think. Greg has like a few notes and that's it.
It's not like three pages of paper. It's good. Greg's fine.
A little back behind the scenes production, Greg, He's good.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thanks man. Yep, how the sausage is made on the
show today at eleven o'clock. Well, I tried to David Dwart,
longtime friend of ours. He talked to us this time
last year from South Florida about the Florida Panthers and
Edmonton Os. Well, they're at it again, with the Panthers
a chance to win the Stanley Cup again for the
second consecutive. Y're tonight, David work will join us from
South Florida at eleven o'clock on the Beacon Plumbing hotline.
On the same line at noon, My Navy man, my
(01:40):
go army friend. Louke Arkins, author of the Mariners Can
sickly our newsletter. He wrote an interesting piece on Julia
Rodriguez is getting a little traction around town.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We'll I have to talk about that, Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I wonder what you say about last night's Bucky. I
guess there's one hundred and sixty two of those games. Man,
last night, We're gonna talk about the first. So it's
likely to be many legal challenges of the House settlement.
We alluded to this yesterday, but college sports has changed forever.
I think all of us have realized that. Well, it
got codified this month by a federal judge in San Francisco.
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Now it's that settlement that's not a couple of weeks old,
is already getting challenged on the grounds that everyone knew
would be challenged on Title nine and female athletes. Female
college athletes are already challenging the legality of it, the
payments of it. Ninety percent of the money to damage
is two point eight million dollars in damages as part
of the settlement to past athletes who didn't get nil.
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Ninety percent of that money Chris is going to men's
basketball and football, seventy five percent of football and fifteen
percent to men's Prized YO. They're the revenue producers. Also,
the money that's going to be paid going forward, out
of the athletic department's coffers are for the same seventy
five percent expected to go to football in most schools,
fifteen percent of men's basketball. You can do the math. Most, no,
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not most, All college camp is have more than ten
percent of women playing sports because otherwise they wouldn't have
federal funding because it'd be against Title nine. So this
agreement fundamentally goes against Title nine, which says they have
to have equal representation and equal pay. Equal scholarships was
paid up until this point for women as for men,
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and you have to have the same proportion of the
student body of men and women that you do in
the athletic department and in their student athletes. Well, the
pay is now going to be ninety to ten for men.
And that's where the inherent rub is. And a lot
of people in the legal community think that the House
Settlement is flawed from the get go because of Title nine.
We'll talk about some of this how it affects the
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University of Washington. Pat Chunn, the University of Washington's athletic director,
is going to have a press conference tomorrow at two thirty.
I'm sure Ian'll be carrying at the end of his shy.
Although he's a Kuga. Maybe I shouldn't be so sure,
but we are the home of the Huskies here.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Maybe the future of the GM getting continue.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
There are even differences we'll talk about between, of course,
how Washington is going to lot this money. How Washington
stated there has to be because Washington makes tons more
in the Big ten. Then Washington State is trying to
scrape together and make it up the reformed pack. Twelve
tons going on in that realm, and it's all supposed
to start July first, by the way, that's what the
house is.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I'm sure you got this all the news regarding
the Koogs in their track and field program. That just
broke my little heart because that's the track former track athlete.
I couldn't imagine what these athletes are going through, just
because I'm happy that they're still giving the scholarship away
to some of those athletes that are not going to
be participating sports anymore because of this. But that was
just a gut punch, and that's gonna happen a lot more.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
They're gonna cut field events the Husky the Cougars are
and they're gonna limiting the program basically to sprinting and
hurdling and Christian capacity. Correct, it's it's about a half
half a team. Yeah, and Chris, you know this. Track
teams carry a lot of people because of all the events.
It's not like they have just a first string and
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a second string.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They have alternates, the whole gambit. So they're probably hundred
plus exactly, most schools one hundred plus easily.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah. So yeah, of course you know the reason for that,
and that's money. And this is the way the haves
and the have notts are gone, and this is the
way the halves want it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And it's going to get worse. Sobasu is the first
domino and there's going to be more to come. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The reason why, by the way, that Washington State will
not just cut the track program outright is what they
are already, and so is Oregon State. Already at the
minimum number of sports you can feel to B Division one,
So if they would have decided to let's just cut
it all together, then they would be below the threshold
and have to go down to Division two. So it's
it's nuts, man, all for money. Also, the haves get more,
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and not just the student athletes. I should say we're
talking the athletic department, the athletic directors, the coaches, the facilities,
all of that, and Washington feels like it's on the
best side of that now because it is in the
Big Ten. Even though they're getting half a share. They
are in the halves Conference. Washington State and Oregon State
obviously are not after getting left behind twelve thirty one,
wayback to Tech. Well, first of all, before twelve thirty
(06:04):
one to talk, Abe Lucas was gonna talk. You're gonna
hear from him. I'm starting right tackle for the Seahawks.
He has some interesting comments on his first impression of
Sam Darnold that made me laugh and he also m
koug's laughing about that one too. And also you described
I thought pretty well what the difference is in this
Seahawks offense from now till last year. He was really
clear on what new offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak has been
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really clear to the players about. You'll hear from Abe
Lucas twelve thirty one. Reback to your text at four
nine four twelve forty five. Ian Furness will come in
before the Mayor's show from one until three. I'm still
regaling in the fact that I was allowed into the
fortress in Abel Valley on Saturday. That was guy. I
didn't mean to lead the impression yesterday that everyone in
Maple Valley, who said, who's this guy just walked in?
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Didn't welcome me.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
They were great, Siah Finesse, you have an important guess.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That's pretty much Trump.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He has to be Greg Bell of the s Tacoma
News Tribute. Have you heard of sir? Actually I have
bring him in. He brought goods as well.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Bring in the proletariat. Yes, it was like the.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Actually, yeah, Greg bed has arrived.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Siah. It felt like that going into Maple Valley, it
really did.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Would you like something to drink?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sir?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I would you spend much time in Maple Valley? It's
it's all out there, I will. I think twice as
I was driving out there Saturday, it made me think,
why does Richard Sherman live out here? It's quiet?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Actually I don't know why does he live out there
in gigantic estate?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But there you go. But it is a commute, I
mean because most of that road is two lane and
that backs up if it's busy.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, Greg, you're probably gonna be like, why did I
move out?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It? It's like a thirty five minute haul Togo. So
when the.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mayor's running late, that's why we can under you know,
two lanes. Something happened. Mayor is not too happy about it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You get it. The Maple Valley Highway, which is swarming
with cops usually because people don't want to go forty
five miles an hour. Maybe that's why he does his
show at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Huh, I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In I understand he's probably driving now listening to us
because he has to get here in time. By one o'clock.
You'll hear from him. This shows from one to three
Quest and then Dave Saw with Tofty Moller and Dick
Fame from three until seven. Lots going on around the city. Tonight,
the Mariners had the second game of their three game
series against the Red Sox. Night game tonight, day game tomorrow.
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Four and a half back of the trash Cans. Brian
Wooz starting tonight, Logan Gilbert really really encouraging last night.
His fastball was about ninety five and a half miles
an hour on average, but all the swings and misses
he got he had ten strikeouts since eight of them
were swings and misses. He had twenty one swings and
missus total, and all the pitches he threw three eighty
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four pitches, twenty one of them were swings and misses.
And that was Gilbert's first start since April the twenty fifth,
so that was encouraged. It got lost, of course, in
the just kaleidoscope of strikeouts. I mean it felt like
twenty twenty four. How many times did we sit here
in this hour of this time last year talking about
the strikeouts?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
You know, when you brought up the fifteen on my head,
I said, damn, this is really bad, because this is
exactly what we were talking about. Chris. They had twelve
strokes last night, Chris, they had nine, eleven thirteen. Pitching
was great though. Oh the Mariners lost one zero, Yeah right,
they lost two zero last night to the Boston Red Sox.
Not a great start to the series. But optimist, Chris, here,
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there's time.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's time.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You get a win tonight, one to one. See if
you can win the series Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
The Red Sox. I they've won six in a row.
They got done sweeping the Yankees out of Fenway Park
this past weekend, then flew in here and now they've
won the first game of the series against the Mariners,
and the only thing Loger Gilbert did wrong was allow
a solo home run on the third bat of the game,
and that was it. That's all the Mariners needed to lose.
But the Mariners obviously very encouraged by how Loger Gilbert's
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first start was, and he went a little further than
I thought, Chris, we talked yesterday. It's about seventy ish
on pitches when they come back from injury.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And if you mentioned that yesterday, yeah, I guess he's good.
I guess I'm no doctor, but micron Son was just
bringing him back a little early, trying to get momentum,
just to get the team rolling in some consistency because
they were in a rut as a week ago, and
having him back was huge. And yeah, you mentioned eighty
three pitches.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Was it eighty four? Eighty four?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So all right, cool, let's let's get a win though
with that, you know that would be nice, And fifteen
strackoffs doesn't really help your stars not playing well. Stars
not ain't just Julio, but the team didn't play well
at all yesterday but I guess this is just how
many times can we say it's a long baseball season
before we run out of that because the season we're
halfway through it pretty much at this point.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I said, forty plus percent of the game so far.
Fortune it's one hundred and sixty two. It's only mid June.
But yeah, the strikeouts, of course the huge concern. I said,
Kyle Rawley swung at two pitches that were on his
shoelaces for strikeouts with five total men on base in
a game you scored zero, the bases loaded, nobody out
in the third and strikeout, strikeout, strike it. It was like
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the Bugs Bunny cartoon. Remember the ephis pitch that the
guy would swing three times at the same pitch. That's
what it felt like. And then the eighth inning two
on nobody out. We'll break it down about that. That
was crazy. About what happened after that, and Julia Rodriguez's approach,
not just what he did the result, but the approach
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there after. The guy had thrown eight consecutive balls to
enter his start, is outing to put first and second
and nobody out four nine, four to five one on
the text line, I still can't believe it's unnamed. It's
open forbidding. If you want to bid on it and
sponsor it. We'll name your outfit or yourself if you
want to sponsor it, about four hundred times a day
if you want to sponsor it. But on the text
(11:45):
line four nine, four to five one, we'll read him
back at twelve thirty. You're I mentioned a little bit
about this yesterday. Are you fed up with the manners?
Are you optimistic because of Logan Gilbert's start? You're tired
of seeing the same old, same all? And where are
you on them adding a bat? Do you think a
Metia is gonna hit? I was gonna say safeg Field
before they add an impact bat before the trading deadline.
(12:08):
Sometimes it feels that way. I see people talking about Devers,
and we said this yesterday, Chris. Can you really blame
the Poto and Hollander and Stanton and the Mariners for
not assuming a contract that has a quarter of a
billion with a bee left on it for the next
eight years guaranteed without a question? Do you doubt? Do
(12:30):
you think they should have done that? No?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But I also something you said yesterday. I put a
note and obviously I don't have my note anymore. But
I don't think it is Jerry to putto feeling the pressure.
I think that's what it really comes down to as well.
Is he feeling the pressure that if he doesn't get
it done, I don't know this year, next year he's
going to be fired.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, where's that pressure Chris have to come from? Well?
We know is John Stanton And we brought this up yesterday.
Is John Stanton going to give Jerry to puttal pressure
when they come off a one and eight stretch in
a one and five road trip and they get thirty
five thousand at the yard for fireworks night the first
game back.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Probably not right, I guess so's it's a lose lose.
If you don't do anything, you piss off the fan base,
and you also lose because your team is not really improving.
You're relying on guys that are okay, but now you're
asking them kind of what we discussed all last year
to be great, and here we are again with that
(13:25):
same kind of cloud hovering. The only issue has been
okay earlier on this season. It was the pitching that
was like ooh, a little rocky, and well, yeah that
was my that was my biggest concern company this season.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Last year, last year.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Last year there was no injuries, and I was going
in I think at the end of the season, I said, well,
my concern is now we got the Mariners got lucky.
They didn't have guys going down left and right. The
altinly just sucked. And now you're banking on everyone being
healthy for pitching. I'm not trying to say this is
gonna happen, but there's a potential that guys can get
banged up. And what do you know, pitching wasn't all
that guys got banged up. And here they are with
(14:00):
the offense okay, teetering and you're pitching teetering. Two things
teetering at once. Not a good sign. Whereas last year
elite pitching, terrible offense couldn't really carry it. Maybe this
year there's some optimism that the teetering stopped at a
certain point for both sides and they find some consistency,
and maybe they go on a ten game win streak
into the postseason and they're red hot and we get
to talk about playoffs in September October. Dare I say.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It's happened once in the last quarter century.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, did I just do too much?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
There? You did? That's optimistic, that's a best half full leg.
But yeah, and I get it. Of course they need
to add an impact bat, and yes they need to spend,
but I'm not sure Raphael Devers was the one. That's
a hell of a long contract commitment at a quarter
of a billion with a B he could hit one
hundred in Seattle with the marine layer in the background
(14:50):
and all the other things you can blame Seattle and
the hitters for, and they still have it to have
to pay him two hundred fift he'd be Robinson Cano
two point zero. So I get it, but I can't
fault the Mariner's end devors. I mean the Red Sox
president and GM and owner must be John Henry must
be doing flips right now at Fenway Park. I can't
(15:11):
believe they got rid of that contract that someone actually
treated for that the San Francisco Giants did. Coming up,
how winnable was last night's Mariners game? Man, I could
even put my high school baseball cap on and fundamentals
to talk about how winnable that game was. Eleven o'clock,
We're going to go to South Florida. Talk to David
Dwerk of The Hockey News about Game six tonight between
Edmonton and Florida, with the Panthers a chance to win
(15:32):
the Cup. At noon, Luke arkins our man coming on
back to the show, The Return of the Americans, The
Return of the Luke at noon to talk about Julia
Rodriguez and the Mariners. All that coming up in more
on ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, sorry, I must apologize. It's not Mark James. Craig Bell.
The News Tribune reunited with Christopher Kidd here for the week.
Mark James is gone. He'll be back on Monday, thing
twenty third. Correct, I'll be that he's away for the week.
Rich Moore asked me, Hey, would you like to come
(16:23):
in and fill in from ten to one? I said,
Chris Kid wonna be working, he said yep. I said,
hell yeah, sign me up. Running it back like it's
twenty twenty four. Thanks for listening. Great to hear from
your listeners on the text line already filling up. I
appreciate that there was a lot of welcome back, and
it's great to hear Chris Kidd and you again together.
And I'll lean on Chris here in the next segment
(16:45):
about the NBA Finals, although he was being Roger and
Ebert last night with Jackson and his other job as
a podcaster for movies.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, man, we can get into that.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
We can get into a bit.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I will say this. You will love it Greg, Okay,
you like Brad Pitt by any chance.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's okay, you'll love my wife loves I should probably,
of course we'll steer away from that. Is that her?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Is that her? Quote unquote hall pass. You guys had
that discussion?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, exactly, I guess so. The lead singer of.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh never mind, Yeah, it's okay you Why do you
put my business out there?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Match Box twenties? How minimal was this winnable? Excuse me?
Was this Marinder's love? We also minimal? Offensively well, bases
loaded nobody out in the third, down to nothing, Logan
Gilbert still in the game, on his way to ten strikeouts.
So get a runner two there and Gilbert has a
chance to win in his first start in two months.
(17:44):
JP Crawford struck out swinging day after, of course, he
hit the grand Slam that completed the sweep against Cleveland.
How much can they ruin good vibes in one game? Man?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That was wild when we watched the tape of the game,
and that will tell you'll say everything you said. Fifteen struckouts, baces.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Load, nobody out. JP Offord strikes out, Hulio Rodriguez strikes out,
swinging in. Kyle Rawley struck out on a pitch that
was on top of his shoelaces. I mean it had
to have dragged dirt. I mean that that was an
unhittable pitch that he swung at the first time with
the bases loaded, and then two out in the third,
So they get nothing on the basis loaded and nobody out.
Cardinal Sin, you at least put the ball in play,
(18:20):
make them have to decide whether to throw the ball
if it's just bunting or throwing a bat at the ball,
make contact with the bases loaded in less than two out,
and they didn't do that at all. Then in the
eighth dinning, first two manners reached the reliever comes in
for Boston, Greg Wassert. He threw eight straight balls, ball four,
ball four, So now that he had two in the
(18:41):
first ball for it was Cole Young, the number nine hitter.
You got a two run lead and you walk the
nine hitter rookie, another cardinal sin of baseball. It was
like watching subterranean high school. It was not even high
school case.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You guys forgot great coaches baseball. I couldn't believe the
approaches here. I mean tunnel pitches to the nine hitter.
He walked them on four pitches. Then Crawford gets walked,
so they got two on. Nobody out in the eighth.
Now the bull they're into Boston's bullpen.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
He thrown eight straight balls, Chris first and second, nobody out.
Juliaro Rodriguez tried to swing out of his shoes on
the first pitch. He had not thrown a strike yet
in the game through two batters. At the very least,
you're really selective there, right, You're like, this has to
be center cut ninety three at the belt for me
(19:33):
to swing like he did. At the very least, Yeah,
he swung in a pitch that might have been on
the black on the outside edge, maybe not a hitter's
pitch at all, a pitcher's pitch, and he swung like
he was trying to hit the mercer island and he
missed it. Did you see his whites? You could exhausted
and missed it the next pitch. So Waisert has yet
(19:57):
to really throw a strike. That was a borderline strike.
It might have been called a ball. Nine pitches in,
he's yet to throw a bonafide strike. And he throws
him up and in on his hands off speed looked
like a change up jams them and Rodriguez swung again,
and there was this little, soft, looping liner to center field.
For the first time. I couldn't believe that he swung
(20:19):
twice at pitches that were nowhere near hitters' pitches. It
was just incredible that the pitcher knew he didn't have
to throw him a strike. He had not thrown a
strike in two batters. Man, you shouldn't have to give
a major league especially not one making two hundred and
fifty million dollars a take sign in that situation. But
it's obvious what you need to do there, make that
(20:39):
guy find the strike zone, or else you got bases loaded.
Nobody out for cal Rawly. With the game on the line,
he swung at the first two pitches, both of them unhittable,
the second one up and near his fist, and he
basically pops out a soft line drive from the first out.
That changed the entire ending. To me, I said to
my Sonate, we were watching the game, well the end.
(21:00):
They just lost the game on that that those two
swings right there, because now the pitcher can now know
that he can He's unburdened from the fact he hadn't
thrown a strike yet in the game, and the pressure's
off of him. They had the picture on the ropes
man and they took him off with Rodriguez swinging at
the first two pitches of that at bat. I'm gonna
ask Luke Carkins at noon about that sequence, in particular
(21:20):
to Aaron Goldsmith's credit. I noticed he said after the
soft liner, Julio aggressive there. Gold Was said on the
Root Sports broadcast, that's a euphemism for not smart. But
he can't say that as a Mariner's employee, so he
says a goal, Julio really aggressive there after the pitcher
(21:41):
had not thrown a strike in eight pitches. So Roley
see I was soon to be an All Star. He's
leading the fan voting in ketcher. When's the last time
Mariners had a fan vote lead for All Star voting.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm a guess, maybe Dan Wilson in that position, Catcher.
No I'm talking about No, I wasn't the catcher, but
I was thinking that at all. Maybe Ken griff Yeah
it's been a while. Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Kyle Rowley leads the fan voting in the original or
the initial release of All Star Voting for fan voting
for the All Star Game next month in Atlanta. He'd
already struck struck out with the bases loaded in the
third inning, and then he struck out on a change
up in the eighth that he attempted again, the golf
off of his shoes again, Raleigh swinging at pitches that
(22:23):
weren't even close to the strikes on. With the game
on the line, Jorge Palanka, like Rodriguez, also got sought
off and fouled out on a pop fly past the
third base coaching box. Strikeout, strikeout, file out, two on,
nobody out ending over unbelievable. They had five on in
nobody out in the third and the eighth innings and
didn't even advance a base runner, let alone score. Nobody moved.
(22:47):
I mean that is unforgivable. Chris an approach. The approach
there is to, like I said, put the ball in play,
even if you risk a double play with the basis
load nobody out. Your job is to put the ball anywhere, ground, air,
anywhere in play so that the defense has to decide
where to go with the ball and has to make
a play, whether it's a force out at home, okay,
(23:09):
bases loaded, one out. The one thing you cannot have,
of course, in that situation is a strikeout, because you
can't nothing can happen. The runners can't run, the defenders
can't decide where to throw with the ball. There can't
be airs, there can't be sacrifice flies, there can't be
anything on a strikeout. It's pretty much the same with
two on in nobody out, two on, nobody out, as
(23:31):
the two hitter with the three hitter that's leading the
league in home runs on deck. At the minimum, you
hit the ball on the right side to advance the runners.
That's fundamental baseball. But if your Holy Rodriguez and you're
hitting making two and fifty million. You're not paid to
advance the runners. You're paid to drive in run. So
he tried to do that in the first pitch. But
you don't do that after the guy had thrown eight
straight balls. You make that guy work to count and
(23:53):
see if he can actually find the strike zone at
the maybe you walk and now you have basis loaded
nobody out for Rawley. You don't swing from your shoes
in the first pitch. It was. It's the approach that
just those that try to teach baseball. And I'm not
a baseball expert, but I sure as hell tell my
guys if the guy has just throwing eight straight balls
that you're not swinging on the first pitch. I don't
(24:13):
care who you are. If you're a best hitter, you're
not swinging.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's almost like in basketball, if a guy is supposed
to be this great shooter and he's missed, i don't know,
eight shots in a row. Maybe play off him a
little bit, yeah right, make him, yeah, you know, make
him make a jump shot. Okay, you made one, all right,
Now I'll come back and play a little better defense
on you. And that's to your point about Julio. He
threw eleven.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah he did, buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know what, Let's see if you can find the
zone again and maybe you find a sweet spot and
you do hit it out of the park or whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But at least see what he has left. But the
sweet spot right, you should be looking in a box.
It's like that big, tiny center cut. Like I said
on the belt, to swing like he did, you don't
just go up there swinging no matter what, which is
what he did on that first pitch. Then the bottom
of the ninth when a rolled at Chapman came on,
I didn't realize he's the Red Sox closer. He was
(25:04):
up my pirates last year. He's seventy seven years old
and he's still humming at one hundred miles an hour
and he absolutely blew the Mariners away in the bottom
of the night. Randy a Rose Arena one hundred miles
an hour fastball, Dylan Moore wasn't even closed. And what
is Solona doing up there? He had no chance at
the end of the game, I mean none. He could
have just gone up there, told the umpire he's now
(25:26):
out and walking back to the dugout. He would have
lasted longer than he did that at bat. I mean
a Roldest Chapman at age seventy seven blows away the
Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, and all the
good vibes of the three games sweep of Cleveland is
gone because of how alarming that loss was. It wasn't
just oh, it was a competitive game. It was not.
They were not competitive at all offensively. That's a concern.
(25:48):
It's not like, yes, I did say the Red Sox
have won six in a row. They just got done
sweeping the Yankees. There are only two games over five
hundred as well, and they are back in the American
League West East as much or further than the Maners
are in the West. The one again, the one silver
lining to last night, the trash Cans lost in West Sacramento.
Somehow the a's of one four in a row suddenly
(26:08):
after losing for a month, and so the lead is
still four and a half in the American League West
Houston over Seattle. The good of last night on the
field for the Mariners again is logan Gilbert four nine,
four to five. One tell him we're dude, oh almost said,
tell them we're do text line. I can't believe it's
still unsponsored four nine, four to five one. On the
text line, Logan Gilbert, what'd you think encouraging is that
(26:34):
the Mariners bets aren't always going to do that. Maybe
they do. They're not going to strike out fifteen times
get shut out every time Logan Gilbert pitches like that.
So is that encouraging for you? Four nine four y
five one. Where are you at with the Mariners? It
sounds like I ask you that every time I'm sitting
in this chair, and it's always in this context of
what just happened. It was an abomination. Offensively. You can
(26:55):
talk about Devers. We've had some people chime in about Devors,
whether they should have gone and gotten Rafael Devers with
two hundred and fifty million, eight years remaining in the contract.
I get it that he's making twenty four million, twenty
three million a year on average. That's not the point.
The point is that average is for eight more years,
he's twenty seven, going to be thirty five when that
contract ends. That's a heck of a thing to bring
(27:18):
on and think this is your guy. You have to
be absolutely convinced that that's the guy that will fix
your lineup for a decade. If you're going to invest
a quarter of a billion dollars for eight years, it's
not the per year money, it's the fact that that
what deal is going to last until hell, Jerry to
Pottle will be like sixty years old by the time
that contract's over. He might have a strand of gray
hair by the time that contract's over. Probably not that
(27:41):
he'll let it get to that point. He would probably
stop it before then. Four nine, four to five, and
we'll read back your text. We're gonna talk to Luke
Arkins more about the Mariners, about Holy Rodriguez. He wrote
a really interesting piece on his Mariners consigli our newsletter.
That's a lot of people are talking about saying that
back off, basically as Chris put it back off. We're
going to talk to Luke Arkins at noon on the
Beacon Plumbing Hotline. Up next the NBA Finals. Oklahoma City
(28:05):
is one game away and Tyreese Holliburton was mi Ia.
Apparently there was a reason for that. We'll talk about
that next on ninety three point three. Kjir offm Welcome
(28:26):
back to the Greg Bell Show with Christopher Kidd's what
he used to call it, in twenty twenty four, So
we're going to call it out again here for the
next couple of days or reunited. Yes, sir, I'm filling
in for Mark kids, having a little fun with that
from now and through Friday. Mark'll big back on Monday,
So I'm sorry to disappoint those of you looking for
Mark James. He won't be back until the twenty third of
(28:46):
March or twenty third of June. On Monday, Greg Bell
with you from the News Tribune, and we're talking about
the NBA Finals. Chris is Sport the Oklahoma City Thunder
now one went away from their first franchise NBA title
despite whatever, but in the national media tries to tell
you it will be the franchises first partly because Tyrese
(29:07):
Haliburton made zero baskets last night. In thirty four minutes,
he shot the ball six times and he did not
have one basket over four from three point range. They lose.
He is now the Pacers in this playoffs are eight
to zero when he scores at least twenty points. There's
six and seven when he scores fewer than twenty points.
(29:30):
And by the way, now the series goes ft Thursday night,
to Indianapolis for a must win for the Pacers Game six.
Chris had mentioned this yesterday. When a team takes a
three to two lead in the best of seven series
in the NBA Finals, history says forty to forty nine
win the series. That's eighty two percent. So that's what
the Pacers are up against. And now Haliburton, Chris has
(29:53):
an injury. Apparently he injured his calf in the first
quarter last night, and there was discussion among the Pacer
reportedly discussion among the Pacers' medical staff on whether he
should even take the court in the second half. And
this gets into when do you hurt or help your team?
He's their best player, but he has zero baskets in
one leg. Is it a good thing for him to
(30:16):
play the entire second hand? Now? Rick Carlisle, who you
lauded yesterday as one of your favorite coaches in the NBA,
said hey, this is a lifetime opportunity for these guys,
and he's right. They may never get back here. No
one expected the fourth seeded Pacers in the East to
get over through Boston and New York and everybody in
the East, and they did. So where do you land
on that Chris as an athlete, you've played her, you
(30:39):
ran hurt in track. Oh I didn't run, Greg, I
limped across the finish line. But AnyWho in that sense,
is he hurting the team by playing with one leg?
He is, and it takes a lot of courage to
sit out because of that, and I don't think he would.
I think that's a conversation he's yount have to do
with maybe his dad, his coaching staff and and really
(31:00):
try to figure out is this what he needs to
do because the fear is maybe an achilles injury, especially
with calf injuries nowadays, when you hear a calf injury,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Why, but it just automatically goes straight to Achilles. And
we've saw that a lot year after year with players
that played through.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It, with Jason Tatum and the Celtics right the.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Earliest example I remember would be Kevin Durant who had
that strain. He came back in the finals when the
Wars are trying to get another championship, and it cost him.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So that's what you're weighing. And I get it. A
lot of sports people call you out, Oh, it's a championship.
You got to go out there and give it all.
At some point you have to realize to your point
helping hurting team. Hell, if you do this and you
get hurt, you could potentially miss an entire season. Now
I know it's not guaranteed, but do they have a
(31:49):
better chance with or without you? Maybe think about that
as well, because losing Halliburton for an entire for a
lengthy time, I'll just lay it at that is not
going to help the Pacers chance of winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And you're right, he would hear about it if he
didn't play.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah he would.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
But that's what comes with it.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That's what comes with it, right. You have to realize
the situation you're in and maybe you're gonna work ten
times as harder next year to be in that same position.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Well, here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
The thunder now knows that he's wounded. Oh's and when
he plays, we're pick and roll on the whole time.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Thing.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
They're going to him.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, that's part of the game. So you really have
to have that big conversation A what does the risk
b are you helping or hurting your team? And see Halliburton,
is this, what do you want to do, because those
are things that Kevin Durant had to do in twenty nineteen.
He decided to go out there and play through it,
and he got hurt, missed an entire season. Toronto Raptors
were the champions. That's what it comes down through. So
(32:43):
I hope they make the best decision and the right decision. Well,
I guess there is no right decision. Make the best
decision for yourself and you live with the results. Right,
That's what I think you can do in this situation.
Situation from ESPN's Jamal Collier. He wrote that Halliburton went
to the locker room last night early in the game
before returning in the second quarter of calf rapped. He
finished the game, but his production was limited. I mentioned
he scored four points, all from the free throw line,
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matching his lowest scoring total of his playoff career, and
finished without a field goal for the first time in
his playoff career, zero for six in the field Here's
what Haliburton said after the game, quote, it's the Finals.
I've worked my whole life to be here and I
want to be out there to compete help my teammates
any way I can. I was not great tonight by
any means. But it's not really a thought of mine
to not play here. If I can walk, then I
(33:26):
want to play. And this has been going on for
most of the series. Haliburton limped off after the postgame
press conference following Game two, and the Pacers then said
it was a right ankle injury. Monday he said that
it was quote the same area, which gets to your point, Chris,
if it's not truly the ankle, you start worrying about achilles.
Pacers coach Rick Carlos said it was clear Haliburton was
(33:47):
not one hundred percent, but did not expect in to
miss any games, especially with Indiana seasons on the line.
Following Monday's loss, this is what Carlos said to reporters
last night after game He's not one hundred percent. There's
a lot of guys in this series that aren't. This
is a lifetime opportunity. Not many guys are gonna sit
even if they are a little banged up. If you're injured,
that's a different story. Well that's the point, right, I
(34:10):
think he is injured. It looks pretty obvious. I don't
think that's a question.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Carlill finished by saying, but we'll evaluate everything with Tyrese
and see how he wakes up today. It also the
advanced stats from Genius iq said that Haliburton had sit
six total drives to the basket in Game five last night,
his fewest in a game this postseason, tied for the
second fewest in a playoff game in his career. And
that's the other thing, Chris, Now that if the thunder
know this and then he's not driving, he's just settling
(34:37):
for jump shots that he's not making, you can back off.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, we talk about Julio on the strikeout right, go
ahead and knock those down, buddy, good luck exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So now you have another defender to help everybody else
that Haliburton maybe dishing off to to try to reduce
the scoring on him Siakham for instance. Yeah, not good,
it is, and you hit the athlete who may never
be he's never been here before.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Absolutely, I'm not taking away any athletes that do want
to go out there and risk it and give it
their all, But at some point you got to look
at your future like is it really worth it? Because
I know it's a one time Maybe maybe it's a
lightning on the ball that you made the NBA Finals,
but what's the second happened again? Right, there's it happens.
So it's tough decision for the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm next the Stanley Cup Finals game six to night
in Florida. David d Wart covers the Panthers and the
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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