June 17, 2025 • 32 mins
Luke Arkins joins the show to discuss his latest article, "Defending Julio Rodriguez!" Luke shares his thoughts on expectations for Julio over the next 3-5 seasons, where should the Mariners bat Julio in the lineup, how he values WRC+, and much more. We also hit the text line and read back messages from listeners, and close the show with Chris Crawford who is filling in for Ian, and he shares what he has planned on his show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's welcome in my buddy Luke Parkins back to the show.
Here in ninety three point three KJR Fina on the
beacon plumbing heartline. Hello, sir, go army, be navy, Go
Navy Army. Thank you, sir. Good to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm well, Thank you to hear from you. Thank you.
Looks good to hear from you as well. So let's
go to the numbers and backing up Julio Rodriguez. And
as you mentioned, if they had two more hitters like him,
they did in first place.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Right now, what do you mean, well, I mean he's
above average hitter. He's maybe not living up to the
expectations of fans, which is understandable. I'm not discussing that.
But he has an OPS of one point fifteen, and so,
for people who don't know, OPS is basically tries to
capture all the offensive value, all the different elements of offense,
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and so one hundred is average. And so at one
hundred and fifteen, he's fifteen percent above uh, the average hitter.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So if the Manners had a couple more guys like that,
their lineup would be longer and there'd be less pressure
on Julio and Cal and Jay He and Randy and
so I understand the frustration and one point, but I
think you're picking on the wrong guy here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But fans are entitled the fan, however they please.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Look as he had victim of his own success in
the first year and how wildly successful he was and
best rookie in the game, and the two hundred and
fifty million dollar contract really relatively earned his crea. Do
you think he's the expectations became unrealistic solely because of that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I'm sure that's a lot of it. I mean,
he was so good the first year, and then the Mariners,
who are not known for spending large amounts of money,
obligated a long term contract to the guy before he
had even finished his first season, and I think everybody
at the time thought it was a great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And he did win the Rookie of the Year, he.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Won a Silver Slugger, he was an All Star, he
was finished seventh in MTP voting, and then the following.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Season he was fourthing MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
So he was very good the first couple of years,
and things just having gone as well the last couple
and this year he's striking out a lot less. But
it seems like the power is just not quite there
as we would expect from him.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Luke argans Mariners can sickly. Our newsletter author wrote an
interesting piece on Julio Rodriguez that we're talking about now
here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline on ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Luke, given Julio's great defense, base running, and steady, I
would say production offensively. Should the fans reevaluate, or even
national people reevaluate what makes a player worth that big
contract in today's Major League baseball?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, the first thing I'd say, Christopher, is that the
contract is not as big. I think as some fans
see it, they see that you know, it's when it
came out. It tells you the total value of the contract.
But his annual average average annual value is seventeen point
four million dollars, which is relatively I think, well placed
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for what he produces for the Mariners. But I do
think the contract plays into it absolutely. I think when
fans see somebody making a lot of money, they expect production.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But yeah, don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I don't see that as I just still see the
contract as being as big a deal with some fans
make it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Though it's on paper twelve years, two hundred and nine million,
there's a five year player option, and if he would
max out MVP and other milestones like that, it could
end up to four hundred and sixty nine point six
million over seventeen years. There's also an eight year club
option that could be extended based on his MVP performance.
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So a lot of causes in there, but at its
base it's twelve years, two hundred and nine million. But
A Luke points out aptly, that's still an expenditure that
unlike the Mariners, and to do it that young.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Career, I got one more now I would add, oh
go ahead, sorry, look ahead, No you're good. Well, what
I was going to add is so it's a it's
an average of seventeen point four right now, so he's
had two top ten MVP.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Showings already.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So now in five years, in twenty thirty, it jumps
to twenty five million. That's five years from town and
that's assuming the Manners pick up the option. So he's
still making that seventeen point four, which is not much
more than what Mitch Haniger was making when he was
with the marriage.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Would you say Julio's regression the offense and the offense
is a cause for concern or do you think it's
part of the development art for a young star.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I would lean towards the development side. I do see
why folks are concerned. He's not barreling as many balls.
His hard hit rate is down, and so hard hit
balls and battles in particular, barrel is the ideal blend
of that's the velocity and launch angle. It accounts for
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about eighty six percent of all home runs. So it's
a really you know, it's the line drives those long
fly balls. It's what you want from your hitters. And
then his hard hit rate, where it's anything over a
velossie over ninety five miles an hour, he's also not
doing that as often, so he's he's striking out less,
he's hitting he's not hitting the ball as hard, and so, uh,
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it's it's I think that's all. I think it's all
connected that he's he's you know, he's trying not to
strike out as much, and it's somewhat sapping some power
in his swing. And I do believe this is an
evolution for the guy, and I think he's going to
figure it out. And that's me the optimist talking.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So in your Mariners considering the news there, Luke Arkin's
joining us and begin plumbing hotline talking Mariners and Julio Rodriguez,
and specifically you mentioned OPS and the slugging component and
not base percentage and all of that component. Talk to
us about how much you value w RC plus and
how it relates to Julio Rodriguez. How big of a
factor do you think that metrics should be.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, I think it's a good metric to measure him
against other players. So basically have to get two Wonkee.
WRC plus is a park adjusted much like OPS plus.
It's just a part of adjusted stat So it allows
you to look at a player. So let's say a
player that's playing in Boston home games in Boston versus
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a player in.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Seattle or in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It makes it easier to gauge where they stand within
the league. And so, like I said, who he is
about fifteen percent above the league right now, But in
its first year I think he was like I won
forty eight and so yeah, he was forty eight percent
better in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Of course, that's what Edgar was for his whole career.
So yeah, so I.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Can see why people are frustrated with that, but yeah,
it's just a good metric to start with. Then you
have to kind of dig into, Okay, what's going on
in his case. He's not striking out as much, but
he's not he's not walking a great deal Heders. You
look at him and cal Raley. So cal Raley, he's
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he's hitting with much more power, as we all know,
but he's also walking way more than Julio. Julio is
probably around six seven percent. I'm not sure. I think
cal is like fourteen percent. So there's a significant a
lot more times that col gets on first base by
taking a walk than Julio, who may put the ball
in play, but it's like a ground ball double play,
it wasn't hit well, that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So for Julio, I just see as a guy that
has to be a little more discerning at the plate
with the strike zone, and he needs to just get
the ball in the air a little bit more and
he'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's easy for a nerd to say that, but that's
really what it needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, you mentioned the strikeout to down and then you're Marinis.
Considering our piece yesterday, you noted how in twenty twenty two,
Julio Rodriguez twenty nine and a half strikeout percentage twenty
six point seven year two, twenty eight point one percent
of the time he struck out last year, and now
it's nineteen point six percent. If we take last night
for instance, and I know it's one game out of
one sixty two, when the Boston reliever has thrown eight
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balls in the first eight pitches, Rodriguez seemed not want
to be He it would seem, did not want to
strike out, and he takes an aggressive approach and swings
at the first two pitches that were not hitters' pitches,
including one that was in on his hands. Do you think,
when you say discerning in the strike zone, that his
focus on not striking out is causing him to chase
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early in counts and maybe not strike out, but not
hit the ball with any authority That was a weak,
soft line drive to centerfield.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, that's that's definitely a possibility. Greg.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, he's uh, he is, he's probably top five.
Somebody asked him this last time, I can't remember, but
he's he's basically slightly over maybe fifty four fifty five
percent of the time he's swinging at the first pitch,
and he has a pretty he has a good average.
He's well over three hundred when he does that.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But yeah, now you're like last night, you got a
guy that's, uh, he can't seem to find the strike zone,
and then you go up and you and make it
easy for him. I think I think Hyphen actually said
that after Julio had schucked out, it kind of helped
that guy lock in and then it made a much
more difficult for tal Raley afterwards. So yeah, that that
is definitely I think you hit something right there.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Luke, what are expectations for Julio Silling? You would say
over the next three to five years.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I still think that there's a possibility for him to
be a top ten player.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But I would say is floor is a top twenty guy,
and that's sort of what he is right now.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
If you look at if you use war, so I
know there's a big time, you know, debate about which
b war which is the Baseball Recance version or the
Fangrass version of.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
F War, whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It doesn't really matter to me because he's like twentieth
in F War and he's like, I don't know, fit
or sixth in B War. So he's the top twenty
player either way, and that's a good thing. I think
the challenge for Julio down the road is when the
legs start to go, let's say around thirty, what kind
of hitter will he be If he's the hitter he
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is now, he will be significantly less valuable. He'll just
be He's sort of just a guy that, you know.
Maybe his power increase some, but he won't be able
to run as well. Maybe he ends up being a
corner outfield or does a lot less.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Value there than if he's in center field. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
To your point of what you wrote yesterday, Luke holy
Rodriguez has the most center field endings in the league
and it's not even close. And since twenty twenty two
when he came in the league, four two hundred four
innings going into yesterday, and that's five hundred, almost five
hundred more than anybody else in the league on in
center field. And to your point, how much can he
do that into his thirties? Now? JP Crawford's resurgence has
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moved him from nine back to the top of the
lineup at one. And that's what Holyio Rodriguez at two
in front of cal Rawly at three. If you had
the lineup card every day and you were Dan Wilson,
where would you bet Holi Rode agains Loop.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I'd probably leave him about there because when you look
who your top.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Three hitters, you can put them on whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, it's right now, it's JP, Julio and Cal right.
I think you can make a case that Randy A.
Rose Arena has been very good, but not He does
get on base much more than Julio, but he doesn't
have a great deal of power either. I mean, I
guess we'll see what happens with Hargate planco. It's if
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he researches, then I could see moving him back to
the two, maybe push Julio back to the three or
something like that. You know it again, it's when we're
talking about moving somebody back, you gotta ask yourself, well,
who are gonna replace him with?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And that's really the real problem.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I see what the matters is, they just don't have
enough guys and so hopefully they can adjust that. I mean,
you know, it's interesting that Julio is an above average
player offensively, maybe not as well good as we would like.
And he's great in the field, and he's a good
base runner, and that is what we're focusing on, saying, Well,
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if they just had a few more players of that ilk,
then it would be such a big deal. If he's
not doing that well. You know, one Soda started up
very poorly for the Mets, and yet the Mets kept winning.
That's because they have a lot of good players. It's
not just one guy or two guys. Rookie Betts has
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kind of struggled. The Dodgers kept on trucking. I'm not
saying that the Manners have to spend like those teams
are just playing out that they have much longer lineups
and they can afford a guy to get hurt or
they can afford a guy to slump. It's much more
difficult with the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You, sir, have just nailed the fans frustration on Julio Rodriguez.
He's the guy. I know, cow we're always having an
all Star season and leading the league at home runs,
But the guy you hung your star on the Mariner's
ownership three years ago. Is Julia Rodriguez, and he's the
marquee guy. He's the one everyone outside Seattle knows about.
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He's the one that's on the cover of video games
and red carpets. He's the guy. And when he's not
an MVP night in and night out, fans get ticked.
And you just now did. Seattle is a team that
doesn't have complimentary pieces on offense that can carry them
and produce for them night in and night out through
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the order to back him up when he's not. I
think you just eloquated very very well for a Navy guy.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I would, I would agree, I agree with one
hundred percent. But also I would just point out that, uh,
it's the supporting cast that concerns me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I thought it was going to be better than it has.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Dillamore, Donovan, Solano, those kind of guys. They're not producing.
And when some of these guys don't play for a week,
and what is it to tell you? And when they
do play, I mean, Solano's actually hit better. But and
I love Gilmore and my wife loved that guy, but
he has not been very good in the last month
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or so.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And he's never been good against right.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Hand and pitching, and he's never produced very well at
T Mobile Park. And so when you start and then
of course Mitch Garver you throw him in there, and
and and it's sort of like, okay, who who else
can help? And I to me, that's the more pressing
issue is getting better supporting actors there to help the
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star players. So when a guy goes down, I mean,
my gosh, what happens if cal Rawley gets hurt Let's
say two weeks, Well, then what like you're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
With Mitch Garver every day?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I mean, maybe Harry Ford gets called up, but who
knows what Harry Ford will be. Everybody thinks the player
is gonna come right up and do great things. I
mean we saw with Cole Young. He he he initially
did okay, and then he's and and he kind of struggled,
and now he seems to I want to be getting
his legs under him. But there's no guarantee just because
somebody has a high prospect ranking they're going to be
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great when they come come up to the major So
it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's what it's called the major leagues, right, it's the
best rule. Luke is great to hear from you. It's
great to hear from you, guys. It's great to have
you on the show. If it's like twenty twenty four
all over again, let's hope for the Mariners the ending
is not the same. Oh gosh, thank you sir. All right,
Luke Arkins, if you missed the Mariners consigli Air newsletter,
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Julio Rodriguez. His innings is running. He has running matrix,
something called Bolt. Yeah, I had to google what that was.
I was reading.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I was like, what the heck, Luke, you wouldn't nerd
out on this man? What are we doing here? I
didn't want to get into Bolt with.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Him, But hey, Luke, you want to tell us the
boat is. Do we have enough time that you can
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There's a lot of not a lot, but some NBA finals.
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You're going to be part of the show when we
read back the text next. And then Chris Crawford's joining
me to crosstalk at twelve forty five, leading to him
pinch hitting for Ian Forness one to three on ninety
three point three KJRFM. Welcome back Craig Bell Christopher Kidd
reunited on ninety three point three KJRFM. You know what
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the music means? We have what more? Three more days
after this one, Chris to get Boogie Knights on the radio.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We'll figure it out, I hope, although we didn't figure
it out for the last ten months we did the show.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
We did not. We failed in that regard. Sign to
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Speaker 4 (16:59):
Let's start with our guy Keith out of the two
five three, Greg, how do you feel about the stealer?
Warrish to say your Steelers getting Aaron Rodgers and do
you see a resurgence from him.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Not good. Even if he has a good year, it's
only one year and they have a lot of other
problems getting a running game going. Yeah. I wasn't a
big fan of that hired, not at all in the
way he really dragged it out. And my son Eric
Bell bignother Steeler fan by inheritance, he's gonna come with
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me to Steelers and Seahawks at the week two in Pittsburgh.
He's never been to a game in Pittsburgh, so he's
gonna come with me. An one, that's one of his
graduation gifts that we're bringing a buddy of his graduation
in the job. Look at mister Bail, just taking care
of everybody. That's what's up man. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The next one I got comes from our guy Marcus
out of the two o six, Greg, do you think
umps are being told to have an even worse zone
than normal to make people like me okay with changing
it to abs? I love old baseball, no pitchclock, no
ghost runner, et cetera. But this upcoming year has been
pretty rough. Also, giblt was great, and we will win
the World Series this year.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
No, I don't think that because umpires get paid big
bonuses to meet postseason, and postseason is on merit, and
they get evaluated throughout the year just like officials in
all sports, and the best ones get the playoff assignments.
So I don't think they're purposely bad. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
This next one comes from the two five to three.
College sports is ruined by the pure greed of TV executives,
conference commissioners, and athletes themselves. We get that the revenue
comes from football, but what makes college athletics entertaining are
all the other sports that Greg has mentioned, baseball, volleyball,
track and field, etcetera, l across all who provide opportunities
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for those student athletes, not just the quote unquote semipro
ones right, and not to mention.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The fact that how many college athletes get opportunities for
college degrees that may they may not otherwise have gotten
because of athletics a large percentage. All we all hear
about is the NFL and NBA guys. What about the
softball player? What about the track? What about crew? What
about my daughter who is going to quit at the
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Coastguard Academy until she walked onto the crew team and
made the team. She's a college athlete just like all
the rest. She's a varsity in the one vote for
Coastguard and Division II rowing. That is part of the
college experience that everyone's forgetting about here. And there are
a lot of people who are walking around this earth
that have college degrees because of sports, and a lot
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of those opportunities are going to now go away, and
all in the name of money and greed, so more
can get more and halves can be more of halves.
That's true. He got one, Greg, I do from the
two oh six. So happy to hear both of you
back together, even if just for a week. Love it.
Quick question. I'm working with my daughters and leadership skills.
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Any good book recommendations, And I'm glad they asked West
Point graduate. I learned this early in my army career.
It's not even a book, John Wooden's Pyramid of Success.
They publish it on a card and it is a
actual pyramid. And if you just read the Pyramid of
Success and think about how treating others and influencing others
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is the key to leadership people, you will be on
your way. It's about motivation, it's about taking care of others.
It's about teamwork. Don't give me this technical and tactical
proficiency and all the things that the military pushes and
that some people think you have to be the greatest
at what you do to be a leader. No, you
have to take care of people first and foremost. John
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Wooden also has a book about how to build a
winning culture that I would recommend, but people always ask
me and they think I'm going to recommend some book
about the military of the General h. John Wooden nailed
it back in the fifties and the sixties into the seventies.
Pyramid to Success. It's so simple. It's a visual and
just read the tenants that are on there. Pete Carroll
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was a big believer in the John Wooden Pyramid of Success.
It redefined his coaching when he the one year of
the last fifty that he's been out of coaching was
the year after the Jets fired him before USC hired him.
And he immersed himself on the Pyramid of Success with
John Wooden, and he had it in his office in
a frame, and he lived by that. And you talked
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to even Richard Sherman who came left town with guns
blazing and upset and said he ticked at the Seahawks.
He was just back on the field and the Seahawks
headquarters last week. And he still has a home in
Maple Valley. They all come back because of Pete Carroll
and how he treated him, and that's coming. Pete Carroll
will tell you it comes from John Wooden's pyramid of success.
So those of you. I followed up with the Texter
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there in the two of six. He has fifteen year
old twins, twin daughters. I said, hey, send him the
West Point and he said, we would be honored. We
have a military family, army family. And he said, thanks
for recommendtion. You're handing the thought of that this generation
doesn't know about John Wooden because they weren't even born
then in nineteen seventy. John Wooden retired in nineteen seventy
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four from UCLA. Thanks for asking two o six appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Last one from me from the two oh six. Good
to hear my brother from another Ohio mother on the air.
The MS will do nothing before the trade deadline. They
already made their move, spent their money on the failure
that was of ours. They will come out and say
that they are adding from within bring back Luke Rayley,
brad Miller and some triple A relief picture we've never heard.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I hate to say that this person could be one
thousand percent right. Unfortunately it's happened. The let's see what
else we got it here? We got forty five says
it's not necessarily Devers per se, but it's more of
a symbolic move, and that's what's said and the only
thing we have left to cling to. And I get that, Yes,
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just the fact that they would the Mariner fan base
doesn't believe that they would even attempt to move like
that is so disheartening that they think, well, that would
never happen here, and that's that's demoralizing for a fan
base who feels they have a team that is on
the cusp of doing something. Yeah, I get that, But
I was making the point about Devers in the two
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hundred fifty million dollars and eight more years on the contract,
and it's such a long investment that that's what the
Mariners wouldn't dive into. And the fans point is well
taken that, Yeah, it's just the fact that we knew
that that wasn't going to happen. That's so damning and
I get that, Keith two five three. So who's going
to start a GoFundMe to sponsor the Marine Layer text line?
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Maybe you, Keith? Maybe you? That's funny. We haven't heard
much about the Marine Layer, have we? No, we haven't.
It's been pretty sunny because they were and they were
hot to begin the season, right, relatively. Lots of relative
turn around here for the offense. What else, Chris, there's
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got to be something on the NBA. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Umm, I did see one. I'll summarize. It was about
nim Hart and his turnovers. And I'd mentioned yesterday they
can't afford to have Halliburton have those turnovers. Halliburton didn't
even play well at all, and then you have your
bench guys turn the ball or Nembar's on a bench guy,
but then you have your other guys turn the ball over,
not making smart shots. So with that being said, this
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is why they're on the hole they're in. That's exactly
what it came down to, turnovers. It wasn't on Holliburton,
but he didn't play well, and you had nim Hart
who dropped the ball last night, literally turning it over
I think four times.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If I'm not mistaken. So TJ. McConnell had eighteen points
but wasn't there on the floor in the fourth quarter
to the Texas point. Thanks for that two five to three.
I'm glad you're addressing the settlement. It's already affecting D
one sports. Wazoo was getting rid of all field events
and track jumps and throws as we talked about earlier,
and most of the sprints and hurdles. It would be
a dis in school owing in men's and women's track.
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Imagine being a track athlete at Washington State yesterday and
showing up for summer training and you get that news
or you're just out there training on your own at home. Sucks.
It's probably thinking like where can I go now? How
do they how do they feel about the house settlement?
Right now? Two O six kogl. I'm here with two
recent WSU grads. After helping two kids through college at
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one hundred thousand dollars plus each for four years with
zero aid, I'm done. Given to the athletic department or
collective another dollar. College sports is dead. Maybe focus on
aid for actual students and you know, educating them and
my naive probably, but those are my thoughts on the
entire pile of blank And that is not the only
(25:47):
person who feels that way. Thousands, millions, whatever the number is. Yeah,
And when Pat Chung Washington goes to Motley Collectives and says, hey,
we need another million dollars or two million dollars for
a quarterback, and they're going to say, you know, we
gave it the last time. We already did this, and
that quarterback stayed for one year. No, that to me
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is somewhat of the genius of what Jedfish did with
DeMont Williams. And now the question is can they keep
Williams through his senior season here? But to play him
the way they did, even though they had an sec
quarterback in here, they played Williams anyway as a true freshman,
and that kept him on motleg he had already played,
he didn't leave, and he's now the starting quarterback with
a path to being the starting quarterback for the next
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couple of years. Can they keep them? And then the
investment you make in DeMont Williams as a donor starts
to make sense. If it's two or three years. Marcus
is the two sixth good friend of ours. He makes
a great point. No contract promising a time commitment, no
money from me. And that's what a lot of people
say has to happen next with this house settlement in
the NILS world, naked multi year. But then what do
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you do then? You are you going to give them
union employee rights. We've mentioned this, Chris, you know where
it's it, and you know I've told you this is
what's going to happen football and basketball is they're going
to lease their uniforms and colors in stadiums from their
schools and move off campus. So then they this title
nine and all this other stuff, they don't have to
live under that. Students, man, you can go to a
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class if you want. I've talked to people who raise
this issue a few times. In the last I told
you I teach at University of Washington Intercollegiate Athletic Leadership.
We're training coaches and athletic directors. I'm starting to teach
again next week for the summer quarter. And what we've
talked about and what I'm going to bring up next
week is how about this idea? How about we put
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if they're going to move off campus and not be
students anyway let's not pretend they're students. But then if
they make a commitment to the school, either they make
the NFL or you give them their four years of academics.
If they don't make it, you're basically putting their academics
on layerway. When you sign someone to a scholarship, their
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academic four year scholarship could happen after their playing career
instead of this facade of doing it during. And then
if they make the NFL, that money goes back into
the pool the athletic department keeps for the next guy
instead of making them. This FAE degrees that they're not
really spending much time on academics on spend the money
on the people who actually going to go get a
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degree that can help them the rest of their lives.
It's one idea I am over time. Bringing in Chris Crawford,
who was pinch hitting for Ian forness. That's on next
on ninety three point three KJRFM. We welcome back Greg Bell,
(28:38):
Christopher Kidd reuniting here on ninety three point three KJRFM
and reuniting with Chris Crawford who is in today for
Ian Fornesz. Apparently Tyres Haliburton has a calf strain. According
to Sam Sharana, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Retweeted on the station account that's I figured that. Yeah,
that's not a good sign. No, So we'll we'll see
what happens. I would hope they hold them out just
for the sake of Yeah, I'll just leave it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
At that, OK, totally fair. Samcharoni said on ESPN that
once the pays in Halibert and get the results back
on this MRI and his calf, they're going to be
able to identify the severity and then huddle and map
out exactly what the plan will be going into Game six,
which is Thursday night for the Pacers having to win
or else the Thunder will win their first Chris first NBA.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
And you know what, I'm gonna put asterisks all over it.
I will remember the Tyrese Haliburn, I'll remember a whole
bunch of stuff that went wrong for everybody else. It's
not the Thunder one everybody else lost.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, exactly, it's one of one's sixty two. But I
shuddered to even ask you about your reaction last night's
Mariners game.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
That was one of the most frustrating losses and not
saying something because I've seen an awful lot. It was
weirdly comforting to see the Waits type of loss because
I have seen these so many times. Logan Gilbert was phenomenal.
Twenty one eighty four pitches, swings and misses is just
absolutely insane. Horrific offensive effort, especially the top of the
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lineup was just awful. And then Dan Wilson letting Dom
Canzone hit against the lefty is still just absolutely driving.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Even his own broadcasters are saying, well, this never happens.
He's only done it like four times in his career
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It was.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, I was, I mean, I was stunned. It's like,
I know Donovan Solano hasn't been great. I know that
Mitch Garver hasn't been great, But if that, why are
they on the roster If they're not being used in
that situation. It makes no sense to me. It's not
like you're keeping Dom Canzone in for his great defense.
Did you see him on that triple? Did you see
him look absolutely lost? I think he had to call
a GPS just to find that baseball man. That was
(30:43):
a really frustrating loss, and it's so frustrating to see
after looking so good over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, that's it. All the good vibes they had out
of that three game speak of Cleveland. Yeah, so Brian Woodight, Yeah,
is he the stopper? I hope so.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And I will say Walker Buehler has not been great
this year. If this is a guy that you should
be able to get. But if you blame like you
did yesterday, anybody can beat you like Walker. Texas Ranger
could shut down the line up the way that they
played yesterday, they should be able to. And if you
win today, hey, four out of five, you're feeling pretty
good again.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
A loss today and all of that momentum, if whether
you believe in it's real or in sports or not,
all of that momentum that you built up from the
weekend is gone.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And the trash Cans are still in Sacramento plenty days
and you can't expect them to lose again.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Oh thank you Nicky Kurtz for that home run that
was awfully big to not lose ground again, because the
Oakland Athletics, and I'm gonna keep calling him, are not
a very good baseball team right now. And you have
to assume the Astros are gonna win that series. You
gotta win series at home.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What are you going today? And Bat pinch hitting for
I Fornz.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
We are going to talk to Joe Sheehan. He wrote
a really interesting article about Julio Rodriguez and his newsletter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We'll talk more Mariner stuff.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
We're also going to talk some Seahawks, some Huskies, and
some Cougars and how I him seeing no enthusiasm for
either team and whether or not it's just me living
in Poduck Shelton or whether it is actually a lack
of enthusiasm around the town.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm not enthusiastic for football season again. I kind of
like the schedule. I know it's the crime starts that is.
Christopher Crawford pinch hitting for Infinescers off today, Chris Ian
will be back tomorrow. I will be back tomorrow, reuniting
again with Christopher kidtam here all week. Mark James is away,
He'll be back on Monday. Chris is up next with
Jessmon McIntyre from one to three, and then Dave Softimuller
(32:33):
and Dick Fame from three to seven. All that coming
up in ninety three point three. kJ RFM
Let's welcome in my buddy Luke Parkins back to the show.
Here in ninety three point three KJR Fina on the
beacon plumbing heartline. Hello, sir, go army, be navy, Go
Navy Army. Thank you, sir. Good to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm well, Thank you to hear from you. Thank you.
Looks good to hear from you as well. So let's
go to the numbers and backing up Julio Rodriguez. And
as you mentioned, if they had two more hitters like him,
they did in first place.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Right now, what do you mean, well, I mean he's
above average hitter. He's maybe not living up to the
expectations of fans, which is understandable. I'm not discussing that.
But he has an OPS of one point fifteen, and so,
for people who don't know, OPS is basically tries to
capture all the offensive value, all the different elements of offense,
(00:46):
and so one hundred is average. And so at one
hundred and fifteen, he's fifteen percent above uh, the average hitter.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
So if the Manners had a couple more guys like that,
their lineup would be longer and there'd be less pressure
on Julio and Cal and Jay He and Randy and
so I understand the frustration and one point, but I
think you're picking on the wrong guy here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But fans are entitled the fan, however they please.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Look as he had victim of his own success in
the first year and how wildly successful he was and
best rookie in the game, and the two hundred and
fifty million dollar contract really relatively earned his crea. Do
you think he's the expectations became unrealistic solely because of that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I'm sure that's a lot of it. I mean,
he was so good the first year, and then the Mariners,
who are not known for spending large amounts of money,
obligated a long term contract to the guy before he
had even finished his first season, and I think everybody
at the time thought it was a great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And he did win the Rookie of the Year, he.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Won a Silver Slugger, he was an All Star, he
was finished seventh in MTP voting, and then the following.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Season he was fourthing MVP voting.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
So he was very good the first couple of years,
and things just having gone as well the last couple
and this year he's striking out a lot less. But
it seems like the power is just not quite there
as we would expect from him.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Luke argans Mariners can sickly. Our newsletter author wrote an
interesting piece on Julio Rodriguez that we're talking about now
here on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline on ninety three point
three KJRFM.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Luke, given Julio's great defense, base running, and steady, I
would say production offensively. Should the fans reevaluate, or even
national people reevaluate what makes a player worth that big
contract in today's Major League baseball?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Well, the first thing I'd say, Christopher, is that the
contract is not as big. I think as some fans
see it, they see that you know, it's when it
came out. It tells you the total value of the contract.
But his annual average average annual value is seventeen point
four million dollars, which is relatively I think, well placed
(02:58):
for what he produces for the Mariners. But I do
think the contract plays into it absolutely. I think when
fans see somebody making a lot of money, they expect production.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But yeah, don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I don't see that as I just still see the
contract as being as big a deal with some fans
make it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Though it's on paper twelve years, two hundred and nine million,
there's a five year player option, and if he would
max out MVP and other milestones like that, it could
end up to four hundred and sixty nine point six
million over seventeen years. There's also an eight year club
option that could be extended based on his MVP performance.
(03:38):
So a lot of causes in there, but at its
base it's twelve years, two hundred and nine million. But
A Luke points out aptly, that's still an expenditure that
unlike the Mariners, and to do it that young.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Career, I got one more now I would add, oh
go ahead, sorry, look ahead, No you're good. Well, what
I was going to add is so it's a it's
an average of seventeen point four right now, so he's
had two top ten MVP.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Showings already.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So now in five years, in twenty thirty, it jumps
to twenty five million. That's five years from town and
that's assuming the Manners pick up the option. So he's
still making that seventeen point four, which is not much
more than what Mitch Haniger was making when he was
with the marriage.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Would you say Julio's regression the offense and the offense
is a cause for concern or do you think it's
part of the development art for a young star.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I would lean towards the development side. I do see
why folks are concerned. He's not barreling as many balls.
His hard hit rate is down, and so hard hit
balls and battles in particular, barrel is the ideal blend
of that's the velocity and launch angle. It accounts for
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about eighty six percent of all home runs. So it's
a really you know, it's the line drives those long
fly balls. It's what you want from your hitters. And
then his hard hit rate, where it's anything over a
velossie over ninety five miles an hour, he's also not
doing that as often, so he's he's striking out less,
he's hitting he's not hitting the ball as hard, and so, uh,
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it's it's I think that's all. I think it's all
connected that he's he's you know, he's trying not to
strike out as much, and it's somewhat sapping some power
in his swing. And I do believe this is an
evolution for the guy, and I think he's going to
figure it out. And that's me the optimist talking.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So in your Mariners considering the news there, Luke Arkin's
joining us and begin plumbing hotline talking Mariners and Julio Rodriguez,
and specifically you mentioned OPS and the slugging component and
not base percentage and all of that component. Talk to
us about how much you value w RC plus and
how it relates to Julio Rodriguez. How big of a
factor do you think that metrics should be.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Well, I think it's a good metric to measure him
against other players. So basically have to get two Wonkee.
WRC plus is a park adjusted much like OPS plus.
It's just a part of adjusted stat So it allows
you to look at a player. So let's say a
player that's playing in Boston home games in Boston versus
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a player in.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Seattle or in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It makes it easier to gauge where they stand within
the league. And so, like I said, who he is
about fifteen percent above the league right now, But in
its first year I think he was like I won
forty eight and so yeah, he was forty eight percent
better in the league.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Of course, that's what Edgar was for his whole career.
So yeah, so I.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Can see why people are frustrated with that, but yeah,
it's just a good metric to start with. Then you
have to kind of dig into, Okay, what's going on
in his case. He's not striking out as much, but
he's not he's not walking a great deal Heders. You
look at him and cal Raley. So cal Raley, he's
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he's hitting with much more power, as we all know,
but he's also walking way more than Julio. Julio is
probably around six seven percent. I'm not sure. I think
cal is like fourteen percent. So there's a significant a
lot more times that col gets on first base by
taking a walk than Julio, who may put the ball
in play, but it's like a ground ball double play,
it wasn't hit well, that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So for Julio, I just see as a guy that
has to be a little more discerning at the plate
with the strike zone, and he needs to just get
the ball in the air a little bit more and
he'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's easy for a nerd to say that, but that's
really what it needs to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, you mentioned the strikeout to down and then you're Marinis.
Considering our piece yesterday, you noted how in twenty twenty two,
Julio Rodriguez twenty nine and a half strikeout percentage twenty
six point seven year two, twenty eight point one percent
of the time he struck out last year, and now
it's nineteen point six percent. If we take last night
for instance, and I know it's one game out of
one sixty two, when the Boston reliever has thrown eight
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balls in the first eight pitches, Rodriguez seemed not want
to be He it would seem, did not want to
strike out, and he takes an aggressive approach and swings
at the first two pitches that were not hitters' pitches,
including one that was in on his hands. Do you think,
when you say discerning in the strike zone, that his
focus on not striking out is causing him to chase
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early in counts and maybe not strike out, but not
hit the ball with any authority That was a weak,
soft line drive to centerfield.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, that's that's definitely a possibility. Greg.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, he's uh, he is, he's probably top five.
Somebody asked him this last time, I can't remember, but
he's he's basically slightly over maybe fifty four fifty five
percent of the time he's swinging at the first pitch,
and he has a pretty he has a good average.
He's well over three hundred when he does that.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But yeah, now you're like last night, you got a
guy that's, uh, he can't seem to find the strike zone,
and then you go up and you and make it
easy for him. I think I think Hyphen actually said
that after Julio had schucked out, it kind of helped
that guy lock in and then it made a much
more difficult for tal Raley afterwards. So yeah, that that
is definitely I think you hit something right there.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Luke, what are expectations for Julio Silling? You would say
over the next three to five years.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I still think that there's a possibility for him to
be a top ten player.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But I would say is floor is a top twenty guy,
and that's sort of what he is right now.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
If you look at if you use war, so I
know there's a big time, you know, debate about which
b war which is the Baseball Recance version or the
Fangrass version of.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
F War, whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
It doesn't really matter to me because he's like twentieth
in F War and he's like, I don't know, fit
or sixth in B War. So he's the top twenty
player either way, and that's a good thing. I think
the challenge for Julio down the road is when the
legs start to go, let's say around thirty, what kind
of hitter will he be If he's the hitter he
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is now, he will be significantly less valuable. He'll just
be He's sort of just a guy that, you know.
Maybe his power increase some, but he won't be able
to run as well. Maybe he ends up being a
corner outfield or does a lot less.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Value there than if he's in center field. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
To your point of what you wrote yesterday, Luke holy
Rodriguez has the most center field endings in the league
and it's not even close. And since twenty twenty two
when he came in the league, four two hundred four
innings going into yesterday, and that's five hundred, almost five
hundred more than anybody else in the league on in
center field. And to your point, how much can he
do that into his thirties? Now? JP Crawford's resurgence has
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moved him from nine back to the top of the
lineup at one. And that's what Holyio Rodriguez at two
in front of cal Rawly at three. If you had
the lineup card every day and you were Dan Wilson,
where would you bet Holi Rode agains Loop.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I'd probably leave him about there because when you look
who your top.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Three hitters, you can put them on whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, it's right now, it's JP, Julio and Cal right.
I think you can make a case that Randy A.
Rose Arena has been very good, but not He does
get on base much more than Julio, but he doesn't
have a great deal of power either. I mean, I
guess we'll see what happens with Hargate planco. It's if
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he researches, then I could see moving him back to
the two, maybe push Julio back to the three or
something like that. You know it again, it's when we're
talking about moving somebody back, you gotta ask yourself, well,
who are gonna replace him with?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And that's really the real problem.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I see what the matters is, they just don't have
enough guys and so hopefully they can adjust that. I mean,
you know, it's interesting that Julio is an above average
player offensively, maybe not as well good as we would like.
And he's great in the field, and he's a good
base runner, and that is what we're focusing on, saying, Well,
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if they just had a few more players of that ilk,
then it would be such a big deal. If he's
not doing that well. You know, one Soda started up
very poorly for the Mets, and yet the Mets kept winning.
That's because they have a lot of good players. It's
not just one guy or two guys. Rookie Betts has
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kind of struggled. The Dodgers kept on trucking. I'm not
saying that the Manners have to spend like those teams
are just playing out that they have much longer lineups
and they can afford a guy to get hurt or
they can afford a guy to slump. It's much more
difficult with the Mariners.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You, sir, have just nailed the fans frustration on Julio Rodriguez.
He's the guy. I know, cow we're always having an
all Star season and leading the league at home runs,
But the guy you hung your star on the Mariner's
ownership three years ago. Is Julia Rodriguez, and he's the
marquee guy. He's the one everyone outside Seattle knows about.
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He's the one that's on the cover of video games
and red carpets. He's the guy. And when he's not
an MVP night in and night out, fans get ticked.
And you just now did. Seattle is a team that
doesn't have complimentary pieces on offense that can carry them
and produce for them night in and night out through
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the order to back him up when he's not. I
think you just eloquated very very well for a Navy guy.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I would, I would agree, I agree with one
hundred percent. But also I would just point out that, uh,
it's the supporting cast that concerns me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I thought it was going to be better than it has.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Dillamore, Donovan, Solano, those kind of guys. They're not producing.
And when some of these guys don't play for a week,
and what is it to tell you? And when they
do play, I mean, Solano's actually hit better. But and
I love Gilmore and my wife loved that guy, but
he has not been very good in the last month
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or so.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And he's never been good against right.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Hand and pitching, and he's never produced very well at
T Mobile Park. And so when you start and then
of course Mitch Garver you throw him in there, and
and and it's sort of like, okay, who who else
can help? And I to me, that's the more pressing
issue is getting better supporting actors there to help the
(14:36):
star players. So when a guy goes down, I mean,
my gosh, what happens if cal Rawley gets hurt Let's
say two weeks, Well, then what like you're gonna go.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
With Mitch Garver every day?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I mean, maybe Harry Ford gets called up, but who
knows what Harry Ford will be. Everybody thinks the player
is gonna come right up and do great things. I
mean we saw with Cole Young. He he he initially
did okay, and then he's and and he kind of struggled,
and now he seems to I want to be getting
his legs under him. But there's no guarantee just because
somebody has a high prospect ranking they're going to be
(15:06):
great when they come come up to the major So
it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's what it's called the major leagues, right, it's the
best rule. Luke is great to hear from you. It's
great to hear from you, guys. It's great to have
you on the show. If it's like twenty twenty four
all over again, let's hope for the Mariners the ending
is not the same. Oh gosh, thank you sir. All right,
Luke Arkins, if you missed the Mariners consigli Air newsletter,
you can sign up for it. I should have had
(15:32):
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Julio Rodriguez. His innings is running. He has running matrix,
something called Bolt. Yeah, I had to google what that was.
I was reading.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I was like, what the heck, Luke, you wouldn't nerd
out on this man? What are we doing here? I
didn't want to get into Bolt with.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Him, But hey, Luke, you want to tell us the
boat is. Do we have enough time that you can
go to Marinis consiglier sign up for the newsletter of
Luke Parkins, and you get an analytical based look at
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There's a lot of not a lot, but some NBA finals.
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You're going to be part of the show when we
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three point three KJRFM. Welcome back Craig Bell Christopher Kidd
reunited on ninety three point three KJRFM. You know what
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after this one, Chris to get Boogie Knights on the radio.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
We'll figure it out, I hope, although we didn't figure
it out for the last ten months we did the show.
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We did not. We failed in that regard. Sign to
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Speaker 4 (16:59):
Let's start with our guy Keith out of the two
five three, Greg, how do you feel about the stealer?
Warrish to say your Steelers getting Aaron Rodgers and do
you see a resurgence from him.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Not good. Even if he has a good year, it's
only one year and they have a lot of other
problems getting a running game going. Yeah. I wasn't a
big fan of that hired, not at all in the
way he really dragged it out. And my son Eric
Bell bignother Steeler fan by inheritance, he's gonna come with
(17:30):
me to Steelers and Seahawks at the week two in Pittsburgh.
He's never been to a game in Pittsburgh, so he's
gonna come with me. An one, that's one of his
graduation gifts that we're bringing a buddy of his graduation
in the job. Look at mister Bail, just taking care
of everybody. That's what's up man. Thanks.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
The next one I got comes from our guy Marcus
out of the two o six, Greg, do you think
umps are being told to have an even worse zone
than normal to make people like me okay with changing
it to abs? I love old baseball, no pitchclock, no
ghost runner, et cetera. But this upcoming year has been
pretty rough. Also, giblt was great, and we will win
the World Series this year.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
No, I don't think that because umpires get paid big
bonuses to meet postseason, and postseason is on merit, and
they get evaluated throughout the year just like officials in
all sports, and the best ones get the playoff assignments.
So I don't think they're purposely bad. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
This next one comes from the two five to three.
College sports is ruined by the pure greed of TV executives,
conference commissioners, and athletes themselves. We get that the revenue
comes from football, but what makes college athletics entertaining are
all the other sports that Greg has mentioned, baseball, volleyball,
track and field, etcetera, l across all who provide opportunities
(18:51):
for those student athletes, not just the quote unquote semipro
ones right, and not to mention.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The fact that how many college athletes get opportunities for
college degrees that may they may not otherwise have gotten
because of athletics a large percentage. All we all hear
about is the NFL and NBA guys. What about the
softball player? What about the track? What about crew? What
about my daughter who is going to quit at the
(19:17):
Coastguard Academy until she walked onto the crew team and
made the team. She's a college athlete just like all
the rest. She's a varsity in the one vote for
Coastguard and Division II rowing. That is part of the
college experience that everyone's forgetting about here. And there are
a lot of people who are walking around this earth
that have college degrees because of sports, and a lot
(19:40):
of those opportunities are going to now go away, and
all in the name of money and greed, so more
can get more and halves can be more of halves.
That's true. He got one, Greg, I do from the
two oh six. So happy to hear both of you
back together, even if just for a week. Love it.
Quick question. I'm working with my daughters and leadership skills.
(20:00):
Any good book recommendations, And I'm glad they asked West
Point graduate. I learned this early in my army career.
It's not even a book, John Wooden's Pyramid of Success.
They publish it on a card and it is a
actual pyramid. And if you just read the Pyramid of
Success and think about how treating others and influencing others
(20:24):
is the key to leadership people, you will be on
your way. It's about motivation, it's about taking care of others.
It's about teamwork. Don't give me this technical and tactical
proficiency and all the things that the military pushes and
that some people think you have to be the greatest
at what you do to be a leader. No, you
have to take care of people first and foremost. John
(20:44):
Wooden also has a book about how to build a
winning culture that I would recommend, but people always ask
me and they think I'm going to recommend some book
about the military of the General h. John Wooden nailed
it back in the fifties and the sixties into the seventies.
Pyramid to Success. It's so simple. It's a visual and
just read the tenants that are on there. Pete Carroll
(21:06):
was a big believer in the John Wooden Pyramid of Success.
It redefined his coaching when he the one year of
the last fifty that he's been out of coaching was
the year after the Jets fired him before USC hired him.
And he immersed himself on the Pyramid of Success with
John Wooden, and he had it in his office in
a frame, and he lived by that. And you talked
(21:29):
to even Richard Sherman who came left town with guns
blazing and upset and said he ticked at the Seahawks.
He was just back on the field and the Seahawks
headquarters last week. And he still has a home in
Maple Valley. They all come back because of Pete Carroll
and how he treated him, and that's coming. Pete Carroll
will tell you it comes from John Wooden's pyramid of success.
So those of you. I followed up with the Texter
(21:50):
there in the two of six. He has fifteen year
old twins, twin daughters. I said, hey, send him the
West Point and he said, we would be honored. We
have a military family, army family. And he said, thanks
for recommendtion. You're handing the thought of that this generation
doesn't know about John Wooden because they weren't even born
then in nineteen seventy. John Wooden retired in nineteen seventy
(22:10):
four from UCLA. Thanks for asking two o six appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Last one from me from the two oh six. Good
to hear my brother from another Ohio mother on the air.
The MS will do nothing before the trade deadline. They
already made their move, spent their money on the failure
that was of ours. They will come out and say
that they are adding from within bring back Luke Rayley,
brad Miller and some triple A relief picture we've never heard.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I hate to say that this person could be one
thousand percent right. Unfortunately it's happened. The let's see what
else we got it here? We got forty five says
it's not necessarily Devers per se, but it's more of
a symbolic move, and that's what's said and the only
thing we have left to cling to. And I get that, Yes,
(23:03):
just the fact that they would the Mariner fan base
doesn't believe that they would even attempt to move like
that is so disheartening that they think, well, that would
never happen here, and that's that's demoralizing for a fan
base who feels they have a team that is on
the cusp of doing something. Yeah, I get that, But
I was making the point about Devers in the two
(23:24):
hundred fifty million dollars and eight more years on the contract,
and it's such a long investment that that's what the
Mariners wouldn't dive into. And the fans point is well
taken that, Yeah, it's just the fact that we knew
that that wasn't going to happen. That's so damning and
I get that, Keith two five three. So who's going
to start a GoFundMe to sponsor the Marine Layer text line?
(23:45):
Maybe you, Keith? Maybe you? That's funny. We haven't heard
much about the Marine Layer, have we? No, we haven't.
It's been pretty sunny because they were and they were
hot to begin the season, right, relatively. Lots of relative
turn around here for the offense. What else, Chris, there's
(24:06):
got to be something on the NBA. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Umm, I did see one. I'll summarize. It was about
nim Hart and his turnovers. And I'd mentioned yesterday they
can't afford to have Halliburton have those turnovers. Halliburton didn't
even play well at all, and then you have your
bench guys turn the ball or Nembar's on a bench guy,
but then you have your other guys turn the ball over,
not making smart shots. So with that being said, this
(24:31):
is why they're on the hole they're in. That's exactly
what it came down to, turnovers. It wasn't on Holliburton,
but he didn't play well, and you had nim Hart
who dropped the ball last night, literally turning it over
I think four times.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
If I'm not mistaken. So TJ. McConnell had eighteen points
but wasn't there on the floor in the fourth quarter
to the Texas point. Thanks for that two five to three.
I'm glad you're addressing the settlement. It's already affecting D
one sports. Wazoo was getting rid of all field events
and track jumps and throws as we talked about earlier,
and most of the sprints and hurdles. It would be
a dis in school owing in men's and women's track.
(25:02):
Imagine being a track athlete at Washington State yesterday and
showing up for summer training and you get that news
or you're just out there training on your own at home. Sucks.
It's probably thinking like where can I go now? How
do they how do they feel about the house settlement?
Right now? Two O six kogl. I'm here with two
recent WSU grads. After helping two kids through college at
(25:24):
one hundred thousand dollars plus each for four years with
zero aid, I'm done. Given to the athletic department or
collective another dollar. College sports is dead. Maybe focus on
aid for actual students and you know, educating them and
my naive probably, but those are my thoughts on the
entire pile of blank And that is not the only
(25:47):
person who feels that way. Thousands, millions, whatever the number is. Yeah,
And when Pat Chung Washington goes to Motley Collectives and says, hey,
we need another million dollars or two million dollars for
a quarterback, and they're going to say, you know, we
gave it the last time. We already did this, and
that quarterback stayed for one year. No, that to me
(26:08):
is somewhat of the genius of what Jedfish did with
DeMont Williams. And now the question is can they keep
Williams through his senior season here? But to play him
the way they did, even though they had an sec
quarterback in here, they played Williams anyway as a true freshman,
and that kept him on motleg he had already played,
he didn't leave, and he's now the starting quarterback with
a path to being the starting quarterback for the next
(26:30):
couple of years. Can they keep them? And then the
investment you make in DeMont Williams as a donor starts
to make sense. If it's two or three years. Marcus
is the two sixth good friend of ours. He makes
a great point. No contract promising a time commitment, no
money from me. And that's what a lot of people
say has to happen next with this house settlement in
the NILS world, naked multi year. But then what do
(26:53):
you do then? You are you going to give them
union employee rights. We've mentioned this, Chris, you know where
it's it, and you know I've told you this is
what's going to happen football and basketball is they're going
to lease their uniforms and colors in stadiums from their
schools and move off campus. So then they this title
nine and all this other stuff, they don't have to
live under that. Students, man, you can go to a
(27:14):
class if you want. I've talked to people who raise
this issue a few times. In the last I told
you I teach at University of Washington Intercollegiate Athletic Leadership.
We're training coaches and athletic directors. I'm starting to teach
again next week for the summer quarter. And what we've
talked about and what I'm going to bring up next
week is how about this idea? How about we put
(27:37):
if they're going to move off campus and not be
students anyway let's not pretend they're students. But then if
they make a commitment to the school, either they make
the NFL or you give them their four years of academics.
If they don't make it, you're basically putting their academics
on layerway. When you sign someone to a scholarship, their
(27:57):
academic four year scholarship could happen after their playing career
instead of this facade of doing it during. And then
if they make the NFL, that money goes back into
the pool the athletic department keeps for the next guy
instead of making them. This FAE degrees that they're not
really spending much time on academics on spend the money
on the people who actually going to go get a
(28:17):
degree that can help them the rest of their lives.
It's one idea I am over time. Bringing in Chris Crawford,
who was pinch hitting for Ian forness. That's on next
on ninety three point three KJRFM. We welcome back Greg Bell,
(28:38):
Christopher Kidd reuniting here on ninety three point three KJRFM
and reuniting with Chris Crawford who is in today for
Ian Fornesz. Apparently Tyres Haliburton has a calf strain. According
to Sam Sharana, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Retweeted on the station account that's I figured that. Yeah,
that's not a good sign. No, So we'll we'll see
what happens. I would hope they hold them out just
for the sake of Yeah, I'll just leave it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
At that, OK, totally fair. Samcharoni said on ESPN that
once the pays in Halibert and get the results back
on this MRI and his calf, they're going to be
able to identify the severity and then huddle and map
out exactly what the plan will be going into Game six,
which is Thursday night for the Pacers having to win
or else the Thunder will win their first Chris first NBA.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
And you know what, I'm gonna put asterisks all over it.
I will remember the Tyrese Haliburn, I'll remember a whole
bunch of stuff that went wrong for everybody else. It's
not the Thunder one everybody else lost.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, exactly, it's one of one's sixty two. But I
shuddered to even ask you about your reaction last night's
Mariners game.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
That was one of the most frustrating losses and not
saying something because I've seen an awful lot. It was
weirdly comforting to see the Waits type of loss because
I have seen these so many times. Logan Gilbert was phenomenal.
Twenty one eighty four pitches, swings and misses is just
absolutely insane. Horrific offensive effort, especially the top of the
(30:07):
lineup was just awful. And then Dan Wilson letting Dom
Canzone hit against the lefty is still just absolutely driving.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Even his own broadcasters are saying, well, this never happens.
He's only done it like four times in his career
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It was.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Yeah, I was, I mean, I was stunned. It's like,
I know Donovan Solano hasn't been great. I know that
Mitch Garver hasn't been great, But if that, why are
they on the roster If they're not being used in
that situation. It makes no sense to me. It's not
like you're keeping Dom Canzone in for his great defense.
Did you see him on that triple? Did you see
him look absolutely lost? I think he had to call
a GPS just to find that baseball man. That was
(30:43):
a really frustrating loss, and it's so frustrating to see
after looking so good over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, that's it. All the good vibes they had out
of that three game speak of Cleveland. Yeah, so Brian Woodight, Yeah,
is he the stopper? I hope so.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
And I will say Walker Buehler has not been great
this year. If this is a guy that you should
be able to get. But if you blame like you
did yesterday, anybody can beat you like Walker. Texas Ranger
could shut down the line up the way that they
played yesterday, they should be able to. And if you
win today, hey, four out of five, you're feeling pretty
good again.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
A loss today and all of that momentum, if whether
you believe in it's real or in sports or not,
all of that momentum that you built up from the
weekend is gone.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
And the trash Cans are still in Sacramento plenty days
and you can't expect them to lose again.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
Oh thank you Nicky Kurtz for that home run that
was awfully big to not lose ground again, because the
Oakland Athletics, and I'm gonna keep calling him, are not
a very good baseball team right now. And you have
to assume the Astros are gonna win that series. You
gotta win series at home.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
What are you going today? And Bat pinch hitting for
I Fornz.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
We are going to talk to Joe Sheehan. He wrote
a really interesting article about Julio Rodriguez and his newsletter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We'll talk more Mariner stuff.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
We're also going to talk some Seahawks, some Huskies, and
some Cougars and how I him seeing no enthusiasm for
either team and whether or not it's just me living
in Poduck Shelton or whether it is actually a lack
of enthusiasm around the town.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm not enthusiastic for football season again. I kind of
like the schedule. I know it's the crime starts that is.
Christopher Crawford pinch hitting for Infinescers off today, Chris Ian
will be back tomorrow. I will be back tomorrow, reuniting
again with Christopher kidtam here all week. Mark James is away,
He'll be back on Monday. Chris is up next with
Jessmon McIntyre from one to three, and then Dave Softimuller
(32:33):
and Dick Fame from three to seven. All that coming
up in ninety three point three. kJ RFM
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