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in honor of a world down Syndromeday March twenty First, we're featuring Abigail
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She's joined by Amy Kennedy, Educationdirector of The Kennedy Forum. Now,
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with Heart segment brought to you byOnce Upon a Coconut. In honor of
World Down Syndrome Day coming up Marchtwenty first, we're featuring the amazing Abigail
Adams, sit Down Syndrome Advocate,triathlete, keynote, speak and influencer.
A remarkable individual whose journey embodies resilience, determination and triumph. Abigail has an

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impactful narrative of triumph that inspires andchallenges preconceived notions about individuals with disabilities.
She aims to domestify stigma's surrounding Downsyndrome and really advocates for disability awareness and
inclusion. Abigail was born with Downsyndrome and has faced many challenges, yet
she has broken barriers with an unwaveringspirit. Now each year, about six

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thousand babies are born with Down syndromein the United States. It's the most
common provisoal disorder in America. Todaywere joined by Amy Kennedy, education director
of the Kennedy Forum, where shepursues partnerships and collaborations that emphasize evidence based
research and programming to facilitate policy changein the areas of education and mental health.

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Today they join me to help theymystify stigmas surrounding disabilities and aim to
raise awareness to promote inclusion in theworld, workplace and in our schools.
In honor of world Down Syndrome basedwelcoming down to the show are my dear
friends Amy and Abigail. Welcome Hey, thanks for having us on. Thank
you Abigail, so nice to seeyou again. Amy, welcome back.

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Let's get started. Abigail, howdo you believe society's perception of individuals with
disabilities, particularly Down syndrome, hasevolved over the years and what progress have
you witnessed we are more included.What would you like to see change to
make it better for you? Peoplecan help, like they involve volunteer to

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help. You should give back tothe jummunity too, that's right, and
speak up for yourself. I thinkwe're on the right track. I think
that the inclusion is definitely the firststep. We awareness and inclusion go hand
in hand. I think a lotof people don't know anybody with the disability.

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They don't know how to react,and they a lot of times people
with doubt center where other disabilities aresidelined because people really don't know what to
do. So the more often personwith cognitive disability is included in an activity
that typical people are included in,more likely that person is to act typically

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and to tall typically and to havea typical life. You're so right,
And now I'm going to pivot toAmy because this is her area of expertise.
Amy is an educator by training.You have more than a decade of
experience working in public schools in NewJersey, and your experience as a teacher
and also as a Lama of fivereally propel your efforts and your advocacy around

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social, emotional learning and mental wellnessfor children and adolescents. Now that being
said, as the education director ofthe Kennedy Forum, can you tell us
about some of the initiatives or programsyou're involved in to promote inclusion and awareess
of disabilities, especially in educational settings. Yeah, sure, you know.
It's it's the common struggle that Ithink all young people are dealing with,

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and that's isolation. So how dowe address that not only broadly, but
more specifically in the idd community Becausewe know that when people feel included,
it benefits not only the individual withthe disability, but the classroom as a
whole. So being able to integratethat into all schools through the way the

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classroom is structured, but also throughprograms like unified schools or Best Buddies programs
that are brought to schools allows allstudents in the school to create those relationships
and really learn from one another.It is about deepening that experience for the
students because we know that there's somuch that we can get out of that

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social and emotional learning, and tobe able to have that experience begin as
early as possible in schools, changeseverybody's stigma and experience as adults as well.
Well said, and that's why youare in the position you are to
identify all these areas in these pockets, piece the puzzle together and really present

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the roadmap for inclusion because it's ofthe utmost important, especially to families like
Abigail's. Now, Abigail, yourstory is incredibly inspiring, my dear.
Could you share a specific moment thatstands out to you as a testament to
your resilience and determination. I wask doing the Semne County Hall of Fame

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and it did that first woman withDownstrom complete a spot trians on in your
world. That is quite impressive.Can you tell me something that other people
I thought you couldn't do, butyou did it anyway and not the triathlon?
Something else I do moderning thing gymnasticsjust like everyone else. Yes,

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like anyone else. There you goand public speaking to you. I see
you on Instagram. You have alot of followers and a lot of people
look up to you and all ofyour accomplishments. So I just wanted to
point out how many admirers you dohave. Now, Amy, could you
shed some light on the importance ofevidence based research in shaping policies related to

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education and mental health that you're involvedin. Special Olympits, for example,
has a Healthy Athletes program, Andwe when we think about health and IDD
it is not just physical health,it is also mental health as social emotional
well being. But in the UnitedStates and around the world, there is

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a workforce shortage and a lack oftraining in co occurring disorders and in dual
diagnoses, so there's very few peoplewho are trained in this. And because
of that, we see that thereis a pharmacology first response instead of looking

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for non pharmaological supports, which isthe evidence base, we should be introducing
those things first when we're looking atthe social emotional wellbeing of young people,
so being able to increase the traininglooking at all parts of the whole person,

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everything from training for triathlons to howare you feeling? Are you lonely?
Are you depressed? Are you anxious? The same type of screening that
we're looking for in schools has tohappen not only in elementary school and high
school, but also for our athletesas well. Well said. Well said,
and it's begins really at the beginningbecause these these evidence, the evidence

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the importance of evidence based research toshape these policies related to education and mental
health, particularly the ones that concernindividuals with disabilities are often the ones that
are overlooked. So being at theforefront of that is extremely important. So
thank you for pointing that out andstaying really at staying on your a game,
because it takes people like you tocontinue this. Now, Abigail,

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you're not just an advocate, butyou're also, as you said, a
triathlete, an influencer, a careergal. Right, how do you think
your achievements in sports and social mediahave contributed to changing the perceptions about down
syndrome and disabilities in general. Itgives them evidence and hope. I think

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it possibility for their children to dothat too, and they felt aspired to,
of course, right, and proudof this self, to have the
whole world cheering you on, cheeringyou on, And that's what's happening.
You've created such an amount of communityadvocacy in your favor in the last couple

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of years, and I've watched yougrow and you've done a phenomenal job,
and you're only going to keep growingand becoming better at what you do.
So congratulations. Now, Amy,what are some practical steps so to speak,
that workplaces and schools can take tocreate a more inclusive environment for people
with disabilities. Hiring practices have tochange. I mean that's a number one

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priority of the organization Best Buddies thatI mentioned. We want to see hiring
for a variety of jobs and atthe wages that are on par for other
doing those jobs. So oftentimes wesee in the IDD community eighty five percent

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of individuals are unemployed, so thattransition from high school to career is really
difficult. So being able to makesure that we are looking at all candidates,
that we are identifying career paths withincompanies, and that when they are

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hired, we have the insurance inplace that covers all of the things that
are needed, that the support willbe there, and that the coverage has
a level of parity for any mentalhealth and physical health needs of individuals.
And we will see it again wesee that it benefits companies. The most

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common jobs held currently are in maintenance, packaging, stock person sales, fler,
food prep. Those are the typesof jobs we want to find even
more of a selection and variety forindividuals with disabilities and make sure that that

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employment is on par for those withdisabilities, because we know that it's possible
and that the companies that are doingthis, you can find quite a few
that are really leaders in this space, that they're benefiting and that the consumer
who either shops at that store orthat the bottom line at the end of

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the day for the company is benefiting. Amazing that you are putting this in
the narrative because it's important to pointout and I know Steve is sitting there
thinking, yes, we need morevoices like you, Amy to advocate to,
you know, to really get onthe front line of these policy changes,
because without people like you at theforefront, none of this is going

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to be possible. Now, Abigail, what message do you hope to convey
to those who may still hold misconceptionsor stigmas about down syndrome or disabilities.
I think people would say, youcan't do this, you can't do that.
Those things I can do, right, but at the end of the

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day, you can pretty much doit all. Yeah, yeah, all
do it, You do do itall. Okay. Bringing me into this
next question, Amy, In yourwork at the Kennedy Forum, what role
do you see policy advocacy, playingand advancing the rights and opportunities for individuals
with disabilities. Policy is so crucial, everything from IDA to looking at what

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the path will be for school basedservices. When it comes to mental health,
Knowing that SESS is so challenging forindividuals with developmental disabilities, Knowing that
that could be addressed right within theschool where oftentimes bullying and a lack of
inclusion is happening. We have tobe able to tackle that through policy changes

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and through funding measures that are goingto help stop this early. Because when
we see that lack of screening thatI mentioned, it would be so much
easier if we were doing that wherekids are so to be able to implement
that early, to be able toimplement that at those transition points is extremely

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helpful. The policies that we'll seegoing forward is what's going to be covered
under Medicaid, what's going to becovered under Medicare when it comes to the
health needs and mental health needs forthe long term, and also policy wise,
how are we supporting caregivers because weknow that this is a long term

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plan and we have to have enoughsupport for caregivers that they're able to continue
to be part of the workforce andnot deal with burnout and stress that can
also come from from caregiving duties.Well, said Abigail and Steve, you're
both actively involved in promoting awareness andinclusion. Amy is doing her part behind

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the scenes with Congress and aligning yourselfwith the institutions that will help put this
into actual actualization for you and yourcommunities. What can individuals do to help
contribute to a more inclusive society forpeople with disabilities? Will volunteer to help?

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I think that's really the key.We can have the community involved.
It's one of the keys is peopleare sidelined who have the disability. There
are a world of people who arewaiting for an opportunity to help, but
they don't know how to do it. And I think that what Abigail and

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I are trying to do with thesocial media and with the other promotions,
with the businesses and the speaking aroundthe country is to make people aware the
yeah down syndrome is not what youexpected, but it's also not what you
fear. And so don't let what'syour name of your sweet job gil y
let any one's low expectations let itsuccess. So yeah, we're conditioned from

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decades of textbooks tell us that peoplewith disabilities can't function and so they should
be marginalized and shouldn't be improved.And I think that's just the opposite of
the direction we need to go.We need to make it a point to
we can't expect any anyone to doeverything. Nobody is going to be able

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to be successful at everything, butwe have to give them the opportunity.
We have to give them the confidenceand the platform to do that. And
that's why it's Abigail the Advocate iswe want people to see that there are
many obstacles that we all have andthat they can be overcome. If you

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focus on something that you're good atand what do you do, you get
better, Yes, and you haveto get better at both said, well,
we are out of time. Thankyou oh so much for joining Amy.
It was such a pleasure. Yourinsight is priceless. I love how
you articulate everything and how you areso committed to the educational mental health process

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and inclusion. I'm because he's here, especially not just in New Jersey,
but really just across the country.Your work is not going unnoticed. My
dear Oh, thanks for covering this. Absolutely That was our Hydration with Heart
segment brought to you by Once Upona Coconut in honor of World Down Syndrome
Day coming up March twenty first.That was the credible Abigail Adams down Syndrome

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Advocate, triathlete, keynote, speaker, and influencer. You could head directly
to her website at Abigail Theeadvocate dotcom and do check out our dear friend,
Amy Kennedy, regular contributor at thekennedyfouruom dot org. Or you can
check her out on the ground atAmy Kennedy seven one five. You're listening
to a Moment of Zen right hereon seven to ten WR the voice of

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next in just a few minutes.In our Going Deep segment, brought to
you by co two Lift, we'refeaturing celebrity dermatologists, doctor Janine Downey.
She's Board certified and she's the directorof Image Germatology PC in Montclair, New
Jersey. She's been honored as oneof New York Metropolitan's Stop Doctors. Impressively,
She's a medical consultant for The TodayShow, Good Morning America, and

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Doctor Oz. That's just to namea few. She's a highly sought after
lecture and consultant, often performing FDAand investigator initiated clinical trials for many of
the top tier pharmaceutical companies. Hernewspaper and magazine credits include USA Today,
The New York Times, In Style, Allure, Prevention, The Oprah Winfrey,

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Matt magazine. The list goes onand on. Her first book,
Beautiful Skin of Color, is acomprehensive skincare guide for Asian, olive and
dark skin. Today, she joinsme to chat about secret hacks for skin
of color and to help me demystifythe stigmas surrounding female sexual health. Now
you're probably not used to thinking ofskin as an organ, but it's actually

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the largest organ of the body.It has a myriad of functions and is
a big contributor to overall health.Skin of color requires some special attention to
keep it healthy and attractive. It'sprone to some conditions which are not typical
of white skin, such as hyperpigmentationor the risk that skin cancers tend to
be more advanced at the time ofdiagnoses. So what are the best ways

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to take care of darker skin?While many people of color struggle to find
good products and they get bad advicefrom those who aren't experienced in treating their
skin, now it's all about tochange. Welcoming now to the show is
my expert at hand, doctor JanineDowney. Hi Zen, thank you so
much for having me. I appreciateyou guys. Thank you so much and

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congrats on all your success. Youare quite the celebrity yourself. Thank you.
We're going to dive right in.So what are some of the inflammatory
conditions one can experience with skin ofcolor? Okay, inflammatory conditions, So
there's egzema, there's psoriasis, there'sacne. There are a ton of different
disorders, but focusing on those threebecause a lot of people will come to

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see me for those three. Imyself had really bad acne growing up.
And we were saying off Mike beforeyou're in Bergen County. I grew up
in Bergen County and Teaneck. Iwent to Tinick High School, and unfortunately,
I think I was the child thathad the most pimples at my entire
high school, which is not greatwhen both my brothers were models. So
it kind of it was what itwas. And inflammatory wise, what happens

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is any pimple can leave a darkspot, especially in skin of color.
If you're caught more of a redspot, if you're brown, more of
a dark spot. And that cantake months and months and months to go
away. And if you sit hereand you pick it and you mess with
it, then it'll be much muchmuch worse. So in terms of inflammatory
conditions, I tell my patients acouple of things. Number One, if

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it's acne, you do not pick. You need to wear sunscreen every day
with an SPF regardless of which skincondition you have. And even if you
don't have a skin condition, youneed to wear sunblock every single day an
SPF of thirty rain or shine Januarythrough December, regardless of your ethnicity,
and regardless of your sex, andregardless of whether or not your indoors or
outdoors, because we as humans wereact to indoor lighting and outdoor lighting.

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Blue let from the phone, thecomputer, the Apple watch, the IPEd
all helps with hyperpigmentation. This alsoaffects hyperpigmentation with regard to eggsi la it's
you red patches all over the skin. And or psoriasis, which is more
violet patches with silvery scale. Youcan see it on the elbows, on
the knees in people that are afflicted, sometimes all over their scalp, sometimes

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in their ears. And these conditions, if scratched and picked, can lead
big round patches that can also takemonths to go away. So I tell
my patients one of my nice waysof treating all three of those is with
the CO two lift, which isa wonderful product, which is it employs
what we call the bore effects,so it's actually putting moisture back into your

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skin and helping to decrease inflammation andcalm down inflammation. It can be used
on your face, It can beused in your scalp, It can be
used in your ears, and we'llget to private parts later, but it
can be used there too for eggsmaand or crisis. Obviously, hopefully people
aren't getting acne down there now.At what age do these conditions typically present

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themselves? And yes, we willget to CO two in just a bit,
but I'm interested to know is thisa onset of adolescents? Is this
in the twenty stories? What increaseddemographic in your practice? Do you see
typically these conditions present themselves and howwould you treat them? Right? So
I tell everybody the same thing.Acne presents itself depending it depends around eleven,

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twelve thirteen. Some people don't getacne until they're adults, so it
varies with egzima. A lot ofpeople have it as babies. I had
it as a baby and I haveit still now, but I have it
much more under control, fortunately,and then psoriasis can pop up at any
time. Genetically, typically you tendto have a family history of acne,

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of egzema, or of psoriasis.But it depends on your pharmos it depends
on your stress level, and forthings like acne and soorias, it can
depend on your weight. So ifyou're gaining a lot of weight, that
can make your acne worse, notbetter, And if you're gaining a lot
of weight, that can make yoursiasis worse, not better. Eggzama is
not typically weight dependent, but theother two can be. And then stress

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exacerbates any skin condition, just likeit can exacerbate so much else as well.
So, for example, with alot of my skin of color patients,
obesity rates in African American women areoff the charts in this country,
unfortunately, and so I'm forever encouragingall of my patients, regardless of what
ethnicity they are and what race theyare, to exercise, But with my

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African American female patients in particular,I try to inspire them because I overexercise,
So I exercise seven days a week. Rain or shine all the time,
doesn't matter. I'm either indoors oram out doors and that doesn't really
give my muscles a chance to rest. But I'm stubborn, so I still
do it in and it decreases whateverstressload of acne I'm going to get because

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I still break out now, butI have it under control and it decreases
for me and my eggs ema.So that's one way of handling kind of
the inflammatory condition. Now I willshift to the CO two lift dot Com.
So Co two lift dot Com hasa gel that from their studies show
one hundred and seventeen percent increase inhydration after only one application, as well
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of hydration is optimal. How couldcarbon dioxide there be affect the health of
the skin? Can you elaborate?Absolutely? So. It employs something called
the bore effect VOHR, where it'spulling moisture into your skin, helping to
decrease lines and wrinkles, helping todecrease inflammation within your skin. That's a
decrease in your rosation, decreasing yourmolasma, decreasing your acne, your eggs

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in this your psoriasis. There's somethingelse called severc dermatitis, which is kind
of like an angry case of DANDRUP, which it can help to decrease that
as well, and my patient issimply like it so much. For a
lot of the eyelid dermatizing tidies.You can use it around the eyes because
it's not too strong to use aroundthe eyes. You can use it around
the lips, so even in verysensitive skinned areas you can still use this

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product. And what it does isit really hydrates the skin and brings back
moisture into the skin, which mypatients love. For example, I was
just sharing you with you before wewent on air that I was in Paris
and I just got back yesterday,So of course last night I put my
hair up and I put a COtwo lift on my face to rehydrate my
face because all that plane travel plusall the running around I did at that

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medical conference last week when I wasin Paris really dehydrated and dried my skin
out. So I put the COtwo lift on from the top of my
forehead, including my eyelids, allover my face, including my lips,
down my neck, and then Iput the excess a little bit I had
left on the backs of my hands. So I do recommend to my patients
they do that continually, especially beforethey have a big event, before they

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have a big presentation, before they'regoing to do something on TV, that
type of thing, just to lookbetter on a daily basis, whatever it
is that they want. Oh,I'm a huge fan. I use it
weekly as well, and I evenuse the vaginal treatment, which we'll get
into a sect. But now,as a dermatologist, we're going to segue
a little bit. One who advocatesfemale empowerment, I don't feel about vaginal

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skin care. So a lot ofmy patients kind of quietly come in and
buy the Co two lift because itreally does add moisturization not only to our
faces and our necks in our hands, but to our vaginas. And nobody
wants to talk about the vagina,but men like to cozy up next to
it, and we women, wehave one. So and if you are

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on this earth as a human,you came out of one. So we
need to talk about vaginas more andjust be kind of comfortable with our sexual
help. So a lot of mypatients, as they start to get older,
they get a little more dry.They're not happy with that, and
this is one way of combating thedryness. So it's a vaginal you know,
kind of like it's in a littletube like a tampon. You pop

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it up there, you let itsit for a while, hang out for
like forty five minutes. You canuse it for moisturization on your labia that
type of thing also, and itincreases the circulation. It increases the moisturization
and it can for some people increasetheir orgasm later, which is a very
good thing. A lot of mymale patients will use it as well because
it boosts the circulation and it stimulatesthe blood float to that area for a

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more intense experience, which I thinkif you're going to have sex, you're
obviously looking for an intense, positiveexperience, So this is one of those
things. It's a hypoallergenic, sono, it does not smell like anything.
There's no scent, it's fragrance free, and it's cleared for use of
the genitals. So a lot ofmy patients are worried is this going to

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make things worse? Is it's goingto do this. It's very soothing for
my patients. For examples then thathave razor bumps down there. It's very
soothing for my patients that have alittle touch of eggsima down there. Obviously,
very soothing for anybody that has vaginaldryness that wants to use it.
And it's extremely extremely good for mypatients that have a very difficult condition called
l SNA, which is like inscros atrophicus, which is question okay,

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so so two lift the improved sensitivityurinary in continence, wild laxity of the
vaginal and labia of vagina and labia, as well as what you just said
likenscleurosis, which is a rare skindisease that causes itchy, painful patches of
thin, white, wrinkled looking skin. And in women, to my understanding,

(33:05):
these may occur on the vulva andor the skin around the anus,
and in men it typically affects thehead of the penis. Now, this
is what doctor Leonardo and I talkedabout this, But can you describe the
COEO to vaginal treatment process and itseffectiveness specifically for like inscloros. Absolutely so.
My patients will come in there,vaginas feel constricted, they can have

(33:27):
whitish patches, they can be itchy, or they can just be painful in
general, and after using the COtwo lip for a while, like you
said before, it can build collagen, so it helps to improve elasticity down
there, so they get their elasticityback, they get moisturization back, and
it helps to heal the inflammation becauseof the blood rushing to that area and
the fact that improves circulation in thatarea. So my patients are really thrilled

(33:52):
with it. And I would sayellison A is one of those difficult conditions,
so it definitely has to be usedrepeatedly. This is not a one
and done but like I always tellmy patients, you're not going to do
one push up or one sit upand stop. So skincare is constant,
just like vaginal care is also constant. I love this narrative. Well,
we are officially officially out of time. Thank you so much for coming on.

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It was an absolute pleasure chatting withyou. Thank you, Kye,
Thank you very much for having me. That was Janine Downeye, director of
Image Dermatology PC and Montclair in NewJersey and assistant attending at Mountainside and Overlook
Hospitals. You can check her outdirectly on her YouTube channel at the Gist
show or on the Gram at JanineDowney, or head directly to their website
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called The Rankin Difference, brought toyou by David RANKINMD dot com, We're

(35:45):
featuring the many female voices and storiesaffected by breast implant illness, from your
favorite celebrities, influencers to your belovedstay at home mamas. We're gonna bring
you stories of truth, triumph andsurvival. Joined by our expert recurring contributor,
Doctor David Rankin, a top breastexpert in the US and the chief

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of plastic Surgery at Saint Mary's MedicalCenter in West Palm Beach, Florida.
Doctor Rankin has been in practice forwell over twenty years and he's very well
respected in the BII community. Hestopped breast augmentation procedures, solely focusing on
explanting. Today, we're joined byhis patient and fellow breast implant illness warrior

(36:27):
Joy Corrigan. She's a model,actress, fashion designer, and a businesswoman.
She's a former sports illustrated swimsuit modelplayed by playmate and Victoria's secret model
as well. She's also the cofounder of the clothing company Naked Species Now.
Breast implant illness, otherwise known asBII is a condition that just isn't
well understood, but one that canbe debilitating. I can vouch for that

(36:52):
BII refers to a wide range ofinexplicable symptoms that can't be explained by the
medical community that developing women who havereconstruction or cosmetic enlargement with breast implants.
Now experts believe BII symptoms are causedby an autoimmune or inflammatory reaction to the
actual implants. Today we're chatting breastimplant illness, Joy's explant journey and the

(37:17):
warning signs and symptoms your breasts arerevealing, and of course what most surgeons
failed to disclose in your original consultation. Welcoming now to the show is my
dear friend, doctor David Rankin andJoy car Again. Welcome to the show,
Superstars. Hy Okay, Joy,let's dive right in. So let's

(37:37):
go back to the reason you gotbreast implants. Okay, what was the
motivation behind your decision? And Iwant to know once you decided to augment
your breasts, did you receive fulldisclosure and transparency from your surgeon about the
potential complications and long term costs involvedto maintain them. Well, I got

(38:00):
my breast implants just over twelve yearsago, and when I went to go
get them, I wanted to fitthis perfect look that I thought was perfect.
I was trying to get into themodeling industry, and I wanted to
have polar breasts, and I wantedto be accepted and I wanted to be

(38:20):
loved, and the doctor that'll wantyou at the time, he did not
explain anything except for that I couldkeep them in forever, there's no health
issues, and that yeah, thatit was gonna be great, there's no
downside to it. So I wasexcited. I trusted what he said,

(38:42):
and it was like, she's thedoctor, so I want to trust him.
And I went and I did thesurgery, and I was not aware
of all the complications that would comedown the road. Doctor Edkin, you've
been in practice for well over twentyyears and are well known in the BII
community. In fact, we stoppedbreast augmentation procedures and solely focused on explanting.
What drove you to this decision?I'm just seeing more and more women

(39:06):
having issues with their implants and beginningthe xplant process myself and my practice,
it just kind of I didn't reallyplan for this to happen and just to
become solely doing explants, But themore women I saw their health improving,
I just felt like I had tostop implanting and really focus my practice on
helping women in this retarn And ofcourse you can't unsee what you saw,

(39:30):
and I'm sure you saw a lotof skullduggery when it comes to breast implants
and the condition that they are inonce they are explanted. So thank you
for making that decision now. Interestinglyenough, in twenty nineteen, the FDA
called for a worldwide recall of alltextured breast implants from the pharmaceutical company Allergan,
and the FDA requested Allergan recall theimplots because of a drastic increase in

(39:53):
a rare and deadly form of cancercalled breast implot associated out a plastic large
celloma that's been associated specifically with Alergan'sbiocell textured implants. Now, Breast implant
associated at a plastic large cell imphomais an immune system cancer that develops in

(40:13):
the scar tissue capsule that forms aroundthe breast implants. And of the one
one hundred and thirty cases of thedisease reported to the FDA, nine hundred
and fifty three patients had allergan implants, and of the fifty nine deaths reported
from the disease, thirty four ofthe deceased patients had alergan implants as of

(40:34):
April of twenty twenty two, andthis is according to FDA statistics. So
this is very scary stuff. Okay, so thank you so much for being
at the forefront of this battle,doctor Rankin. Now Joy, after experiencing
many symptoms associated with BII, youhad your implants removed and are now what
they call an xplant, as amI. How long did you have your

(40:57):
implants for and what type did youhave and when did symptoms first a rise
after the rest augmentation. I hadmy implants for twelve years and I got
a silicone I got silicone implants,and I had so many horrible symptoms.
I had depression, I've had hadpain and I thought it was normal,

(41:19):
just like, oh, you know, I can't lay on my side,
that's normal. And I have implants, you know, and the symptoms they
got work worse over time, andI've had them out for now six months,
and all of those had really wentaway, and not instant read but
some of the stuff instantly did goaway. And then the biggest thing,

(41:44):
which I'm really excited about, wasmy thyroid. I just got blood work
back and my thyroid is normal levelsfinally for the first time, and should
I was a child. This isfantastic news. And doctor Ranken, you
are the root cause of all ofthese incredible, incredible feelings that she's having,

(42:05):
So thank you for that now,Doctor Rankin. BII, as we
know, can affect people with anytype of breast implant, including silicone,
gel filled or saline filled or smoothsurface or textured. And we know that
BII can develop whether implants have rupturedor stayed intact. Are there specific types
of breast implants that are associated witha higher risk of BII? In my

(42:27):
practice, I take out a lotof smooth, textured, silicone saline.
I would say a larger proportion ofmy patients with BII type symptoms do have
silicone implants. With that being said, I have plenty of saline patients as
well, because we know the outershell is still a silicone outer shell.
So we're still trying to put togetherthe statistics of percentages of women with these

(42:50):
type of implant and symptoms. Now, Joy, you recently explanted with doctor
Rankin, and doctor Rankin you havea proto call about going about your diagnoses
with most women, although there theyare at the end of the rope,
if you will when they come toyou. Joey, how long after explanting

(43:12):
did your symptoms take to reverse?I started to see a difference right away.
I think the mental part of it. As soon as I woke up
some surgery, I mentally was soclear and so excited, and I didn't
regret my deceits for one second.I was like, why did I do
this sooner? And then my healthjust started to get better and better as

(43:37):
I was recovering, and I checkedmy blood work periodically every longth since,
and it's gotten better to the pointwhere I've gotten off medication completely. So
I'm really excited about that and thatsix months later. Wow, what a
difference, Doctor Ranken. This mustwarm your heart. You know here stories

(44:00):
like Joy, It's why I dowhat I do, and I hear it
every day in my practice, andthat's it's very rewarding. It sure is.
Now we're going to talk about capsuleectomy because this is a very very
important part of the process. Sowhy is the removal of the implants and
the capsule so important? Let's chatabout that. So when we talk about

(44:23):
the removal of the implants and thecapsule, which is the scar tissue that
grows around the implant, is whatmany surgeons and countless women believe must have
been done to make a full recovery. What are your thoughts on this and
why you know, there's a lotof different thoughts of opinion on this and
the plastic surgical community in my practice, seeing the possibilities of developing problems within

(44:49):
your capsule like the AlCl and thesquare micelet that you talked about, those
are reasons in and of themselves toremove the capsule. There's been some doctors
that have had studies saying that someof the silicon particles can lead into the
capsules. There's been other studies thathave refuted this also, so we're still
trying to make sense of why weneed a total capsule ectomy. I think

(45:12):
if you look at the surgery itselfand the possibility problems we can have with
the capsule. It's just put into remove it when you're doing the surgery
and you know you're right on themoney. March eighth of last year,
twenty twenty three, the Food andDrug Administration released an update to its September
twenty twenty two safety communication about squamcel carcinoma and various lymphomas in the capsule

(45:36):
around breast implants. So if they'redocumenting that that's where the squamsol carcinoma and
various other lymphomas live, then theobvious mitigation to this is to remove the
capsule and do a capsule ectomy.Now, Joy, when you suspected you
had BII, did you ever secondguess yourself? And what steps did you

(45:58):
take to seek a diagons and treatmentbefore you got to doctor Radgin? Okay,
yes, I definitely second guess inme FL So many people told me
that I was going crazy and thatI was fine and it was all in
my head. And I thought tomyself, Well, even if it's all
in my head, I still thinkthat once I removed my implants, I

(46:22):
have a recovery. I my headwill be better. I needed to.
I trusted my intuition on this becauseI read so many conflicting things. People
were telling me this and that,So I really just trusted my girt and
I talked to doctor Rym Dan andhe told me the facts, and I

(46:44):
felt so safe and comfortable, andI just knew deep down that it was
the right decision after talking to doctorRinkin, and that right decision it was
because guess what, all your symptomshave still so slowly started to dissipate since
six months ago, now, doctorRankin. Some doctors and surgeons and other

(47:05):
medical professionals, to Joy's point,don't believe that breast implant illness is real,
with many chalking it up to akind of hysteria fueled by social media.
And I'm going to go one stepfurther. A research review published in
Esthetic Plastic Surgery in twenty twenty twotitled Breast implant Illness Real syndrome or a
social media phenomenon. Then they goon to say that BII is a condition

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characterized by elusive diagnostic criteria and selfreported, diverse, disabling and distressing physical
and psychological symptoms. Then the authorswrote that the condition is perhaps becoming the
most controversial subject in esthetic and reconstructivebreast surgery, generating heated debates between those

(47:51):
who do not believe such a conditionexists and those who demand its acceptance as
a recognized diagnosis. I'd love tohear your thoughts. What do you say?
All I can say is, youknow, in my practice, doing
five hundred X plants plus a yearand seeing the majority of my patients improve
and say they feel better and saythey feel healthier, the proof is in
the putting. You look on socialmedia, you have all these groups of

(48:13):
women getting together, discussing their symptoms, discussing their process, and just speaking
the truth. There's no need forthese women to make things up. They've
been struggling for answers for a longtime. Their health has declined for a
long time, and they're getting better. And you can't really stop the power
of social media and women collectively gettingtogether and going over this topic. Well,

(48:35):
we are at the end. Thankyou both so much for coming on.
You're listening to a moment of zenright here on seven ten WR the
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Potential, and today we'll be chattingabout game changing women. I'm thinking of
Marie Curie, Amelia Earhart, RosaParks, Eleanor Roosevelt. They say that

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well behaved women rarely make history,and from where we stand today, these
women didn't just make history, theychanged the world. This week we not
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a tribute to both, we takea look back at another game changer who

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film career with a star on theWalk of Fame in nineteen sixty, she
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eventually used in creating GPS and Bluetoothtechnology. For this Hetty Lamar was inducted
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day, we honor women around theworld who make history right where they stand.

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