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Isaiah Clark emerges a rising start atjust twenty five years old, found global
success with his self penned hit GoodEnergy. He originates in Miami. His
musical journey blends afrobeats with influences fromhip hop, R and B and reggae.
Now beyond music. He's deeply involvedin charity work, which I love,
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supporting organizations like Christina's Academy and beStrong International. He's known for his
eclectic fashion sense. You gotta checkout his fashion sense. Young Wiland's positive
message also resonates with millions worldwide,inspiring such a movement of you guessed it,
good energy and purposeful living. Todayhe joins me to chat about pursuing
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a music career, his viral hit, his fashion style, the inspiration behind
it all, and what life islike in the fast lane. Welcoming down
to the show is the amazing Youngw Hellen. Hello superstar, Hello,
Hello Young Wiln. Thank you forhaving me so excited. Let's jump right
in. Are you ready? Yes, ma'am? All right, let's do
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it. So can you share thejourney because it's been quite the journey behind
the creation of Good Energy. Imean everyone has heard it, it's gone
viral. What inspired you to writesuch an uplifting and resonating song. That's
a great question. It's a lotof you know, great things that inspire
me to, you know, comeup with the concept and the message behind
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the song and putting it to theafrobeats with like the perfect mix you know,
between like mellow and upbeat. Andyou know what inspired me was I
wanted to make something that expressed likepositivity and you know a little bit of
like spirituality and everything about create tryto create some kind of like meditative type
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of vibe, you know, somethingyou could just relax and like maybe ease
your mind a bit, but dancedto at the same time. And around
that time, I was going througha lot of things, So I honestly
just needed good energy in my life, you know, and you manifested it.
You put it out there, yeah, pend it, and then the
world made it their own. Ilove it. It's such a great story.
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Now you've mentioned that good Energy wasn'tan overnight sensation, but like rather
this slow climb. Could you elaborateon the challenges you faced along the way,
and how, of course you clearlypersevered right through them. I mean,
yeah, as an independent artist,you know, it takes a lot
more networking and you know, alot more legwork and dedication and hustle and
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grind, you know, versus beingsigned with a label and you have that
muscle and budget behind you, socoming out with good energy, it was
just another song for me. Itwas actually a quite different song than my
previous music, and I was kindof, you know, they didn't know
what to expect from, like thepeople's reactions. So as I saw you
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know, climbing and everything and seeingthe numbers go up, you know,
it was really surprising to me thatthe whole world could resonate with that message
because you have a lot of negativethings going around right now that a lot
of people, you know, kindof pay attention to. So I'm glad
I was able to create that youknow, message and people you know responded
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well to it, and lots ofpeople responded well. You have a mix
of different age ranges that have allloved and reacted to the song. You
have some of the baby boomers dancingto it. You have my eight and
a half year old daughter right Alphagen Z millennials. They're all just really
loving the song because I think itsends a message and it's everybody wants a
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dose of good energy, not justa few times a day, but all
day, every day. And themusic industry is very different today than it
was even just a decade ago,right like for both independent artists and those
signed to a label. The digitalworld of social media has truly truly changed
the game. Now music artists canconnect directly with their fans the same way
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that you know exactly what you've beendoing, and it's also revolutionized the process
of music discovery. Right on,one video can reach millions of people worldwide
just by chance if it pops upon someone's TikTok for you know, for
their page. Now I know you'veYou've conquered the world of social media,
and good energy is currently viral.In fact, social media has shaped your
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career. Do you enjoy the abilityto connect directly with your fans online and
how does it feel to see yourmessage spreading so widely and impacting people's lives.
Yeah? Absolutely, I love,you know, connecting with fans and
the fact that I'm receiving all ofthe love and support from everybody all around
the world, you know, andit almost doesn't feel real, you know,
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it was like a year ago orso, I would just like,
you know, going through the worstof the worst, you know, starving,
working like super hard and just watchingthis whole thing come together and still
having to juggle everything. It's reallyit's an amazing journey that and transformation that
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I'm going through right now. AndI'm still I'm still working, you know.
You see, I'm still out hereworking and building everything. And yeah,
it's pretty it's pretty amazing. Youknow. Well, you're hustling,
and you know, it's interesting becauseyou're still very young, and you're you're
just getting started. You're in yourtwenties, you're in your mid twenties,
and that is still fresh in theindustry. You can go any which direction
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because you know what, You've alreadyhad a hit song now your recent release,
I want to come full circle toyour recent release, Do it Better
seems to continue that same theme ofpositivity. If you will. How do
you see this new track fitting intoyour musical journey, especially following the success
of Good Energy, you have alot to live up to. Yeah,
it's I think it fits pretty good. You know. As far as afrobeats,
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I wanted to, you know,keep it in a similar vibe,
not so much of the same message, You know what I mean? You
know I can only do so much, you know, peace, love and
light. You know, I wantto switch it up, but keep it
good vibes, you know, ofcourse, you know, but just kind
of touch every different aspect of likeevery different personality type and things like that.
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What am I trying to say?As like a music songwriter? You
know? I you don't want topigeonhole yourself, is what you're saying.
And I just think of like ifI'm performing the song, you know,
who am I? What crowd amI in front of? So I like
to have something for different crowds,you know, So that way, if
I'm doing a set, you know, this crowd might like this song.
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You know. You don't want tojust give sushi. You want tacos,
you want china, right, Iwant to. I want to you know,
all of that good stuff. Ilike that you have a menu that
you want to offer up now.Your music draws from these diverse audiences like
afrobeats, R and B soul,reggae. You you feel pretty professional and
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authentic. Where do you get yourmusical inspiration from? And can you tell
us about your experiences collaborating with Farukoand Mafio on the remix of Good Energy.
What was it like working with themin studio? Working with Faruko Mafio,
that whole collaboration, I feel likewith just a perfect timing and a
perfect you know situation because of thetype of artists they are. Being in
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the studio with them, I gotto see kind of their creative uh you
know, strategies and stuff like that, and it's it's amazing what they how
we all came together and created theremix. We had like twenty different like
choir members come in and harmonize.We had some violin players. It was
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it was amazing that was out inMiami. So and then we did the
music video. If you haven't seenthe music video, it's on YouTube.
I think it's like four million viewsas of right now. But it's an
amazing video. It's like a moviereally, And that's like the biggest video
that I've done so far as faras just the whole production. So I'm
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extremely grateful for Faruko Mafio and youknow, the whole Sonny Latin team.
I'm glad you found that. It'sit's extremely important to find the team players.
The pieces of the puzzle all haveto fit and it's part of the
roadmap, and I think it's allabout timing. So it's extremely critical that
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to give back to the community andhow do you choose the causes you support.
That's a great question. It's reallyyou know, my vision of where
I want to go and the thingsthat I want to do and put into
the world. And it only makessense that I get involved with things like
this. I help, you know, be the change I wish to see
in the world, like gand youknow, and it's you know, you
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just go out there and you doit, and you you get to inspire
people. And maybe I see myselfsomewhat like a motivational speaker when I'm writing.
When I'm writing a song or writinglyrics, you know, it has
to have that, you know,that message, that purpose behind it.
So going out into these communities andmy own communities, like we did a
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lot of things this previous Christmas forthe foster kids out in Miami. You
know, some of them, youknow, just had nothing, and you
know, I didn't really televise itat all. It was just like out
of love, you know, justjust do it, you know, do
it better. Now we're gonna pivota little bit. But your fashion sense,
WHOA, let's describe your fashion sense. I'm going to describe you as
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eclectic and expressive and you know youreally you're really a risk taker and you
do a great job at selecting thepieces. Where does your fashion inspiration come
from? And what brand are youcurrently wearing? So my fashion inspiration I
mean really, I just like thingsthat stand out but not too flashy,
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like with logos and brand names,you know what I mean, Like I
could make a statement without I canhave on a something from Walmart, but
not literally, but like you knowwhat I mean, not literally, So
what I have on right now,this this outfit was styled by my stylist,
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Jeffrey Emperor twe I think I'm pronouncingthe last name. We're just gonna
go by Jeffrey. Jeffrey, famousstylist, one of the best in New
York. Y'all, y'all check himout. As far as the brand names,
I'm not too sure he put thistogether. But well, I saw
you walk the Potro Fashion show andyou looked sharp, had on a it
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was like a cowboy theme. Ilove the cowboy thing, you know,
beyond say did it to us?She took it to the next level.
No, everyone's all about cowboys andcowgirls fitting perfectly. Now, looking ahead
to the future, what are yourmusical aspirations? Yeah, the big picture
is you know, definitely touring,touching like different countries that I've never been
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to before, like places that actuallyyou know, like want to book me
and see see me perform my music. So just traveling doing shows, stuff
like that. I think that's everyartist's dream, you know, like just
being on the stage and traveling,touring, and you know, just living
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living that rock star lifestyle. Youknow. Yeah, you're gonna live the
rock star You're already living the rockstar lifestyle. Yeah. I'm going to
Jamaica soon. I might be livein a rasta lifestyle. Oh boy,
we're gonna lose you to the Rastafarians. Please don't come back to us.
Now. What brands are you currentlywishing to collaborate with and how important is
social activism to you? That isa great question. I currently I'm working
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Fashion Week doing the show Jose withPoltro. Amazing brand. And there's a
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beautiful Try State Air. You're listeningto a moment of Zen right here
on seven to ten WR, thevoice of New york iHeartRadio. I'm your
host, Zen. Sam's up nextin the Discover Your Potential segment brought to
you by The Wellness Way. Today, we're joined by contributor, podcaster and
co host Anna Devir. She's joinedby her dear friend Michelle Lucas now as
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a proud Space Camp alumni. Michelleis a former flight controller for the International
Space Station and an astronaut technical instructor. Additionally, Michelle and a business partner
run Unify Space Agency, which isa talent management company for retired astronauts.
She's also the founder and CEO ofHigher Orbits with a new focus on inspiring
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the next generation. She founded HigherOrbit, which is a nonprofit that uses
space to excite students about stem Sheruns programs all over the world, encouraging
them to find and pursue their passionimpressively. She's an A one double A
Associate Fellow, a member of theSpace Camp Hall of Fame, and the
recipient of the first ever Emvery RiddleAeronautical University Alumni Entrepreneur Award. She's going
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to join me today with Anna tochat about encouraging and uplifting students in STEM,
failing forward, and how space reallydoes inspire. Welcoming out to the
show. Are my dear friends,Anna and Michelle. Welcome to the show,
Superstars. Hi, It's so gratefulfor the opportunity to be here.
I'm so excited to talk to myfriend and bring her on to iHeart.
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It's wits wonderful to have you here, Michelle. Let's dive right in.
Michelle, It's amazing to see thetrajectory of your career and so fitting that
we have this conversation so close toMay fifth, which is National Astronaut Day.
Now, your journey has been nothingshort of incredible. You studied aerospace,
engineering, communications and space studies atPride University and every Riddle Aeronautical University,
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and upon graduating, you spent theeleven years working at Nassage Johnson Space
Center, where you were part ofthe Payload Safety Review Panel. To my
understanding, after this, you workedmission control for the International Space Station as
a flight controller and then went onto be a technical instructor for astronauts as
well as instructors and flight controllers allover the world. You have one impressive
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career. Now, what was itthat inspired you to pursue a career in
space at such a young age.Well, if I'm honest, and I
have been a spacetoric my whole life. I had the great fortune of watching
the first Space Shuttle launch on televisionas a little girl from the South side
of Chicago, where people weren't talkingabout science and space and STEM wasn't even
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a term back then, right,it was just math and science. My
grandmother had me watch the first SpaceShuttle launch and I was in love.
And from that moment on, allI wanted to do was work in the
space industry. Nobody could really understandhow to help me find that path.
Most people in my area were goingon to any post high school education,
nevertheless talking about working at NASA.But it was really lucky that my mom
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was incredibly supportive and through a varietyof things, including a scholarship to go
to space camp, I stayed inlove with space and so went to university,
studied what I thought were all theright things and ended up being all
the right things to go into acareer at NASA Johnson Space Center, and
then the follow on things that I'mdoing now. You are a trailblazer,
my dear. I am so proudof you. The path you've paid is
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so inspirational, and I know youfocus on exciting young students about STEM.
And while we've come a long way, according to a report by the World
Bank, women make up less thanthe third of the world's workforce in technology
related fields, with women making upjust thirty five percent of employees in STEM
in the US. So I know, especially for young girls interested in a
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career like years and achieving your levelof success, you are quite the role
model. Well. I feel fortunateto get the opportunity to work with these
stellar students the country because it isone of those things that in space we've
actually done a little better than theaverage with regards to women in STEM.
But there's room for everyone in STEM, and I want students to know there
is a place in space for themno matter who they are. There's a
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place in space for them. Ilove that you should coin it now.
Anna, you met Michelle when shegave her ted X Fargo talk back in
twenty eighteen. Failure must be anoption. Now. The phrase failure is
not an option is associated with NASAFlight director Gene Kranz as an outcome of
the Apollo thirteen moonlanding mission, andtoday this race has been taken to you
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and quite frankly toxic levels. Inthis talk, Michelle speaks to the fact
that while failure is never the desiredoutcome, it must be an option.
Anna, what inspired you about Michelle'smessage? Well, I love that you
obviously watched the talk and you knowto hear Michelle tell it firsthand is something
go chase that one down. ButI would just like to say that Michelle's
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whole life is an example of howto pivot. I'm not going to say
fail because I don't see it thatway, and I know she doesn't see
it that way. But from herearliest memory, she wanted to be an
astronaut, and her mom and severaleducators did everything they could to promote that
dream. What you don't know aboutMichelle is at age twenty three, maybe
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twenty four, you can correct thatshe found out she had kidney stones,
and not just one, she hada condition that would disqualify her for becoming
an astronaut. In what could havebeen a devastating moment in her life,
propelled her to go on to havean illustrious career that most people would envy.
That to me is the epitome ofthe right stuff. You get it
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right on, It is the epitomeof the right stuff. Now, continuing
on with this concept and failing forward, fear of failure is something many people
struggle with. In fact, accordingto Luka Gohld's fear factor Index in partnership
with Yugov, Americans were found tobe scared of failure, and almost half
of the surveyed adults responded that theirfear of failure was the biggest barrier to
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not achieving their goals. So overcomingthis fear is absolutely crucial, Michelle,
How significant do you find this topicof failing forward to be in today's risk
averse world? So I think it'sincredibly important. And when we talk about
spaceflight, everybody knows spaceflight is risky, right, it is rocket science.
Space is hard, and obviously whenwe fail in spaceflight. It's oftentimes spectacular
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rockets blow up, and that's nevera desired outcome. But in the iteration
of entrepreneurship, of design, ofresearch that has to happen. We accept
it in certain areas, and thespace industry is one of those places we've
had to accept it. You can'tbuild a great new moon colony, or
a moon call it all moon colonyat all, or a rocket without that,
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but we don't instill that in ourstudents. We make it so everybody
gets a participation trophy or oh mygosh, you got to be that's terrible.
Students have to learn how to failbecause they have to learn how to
pick themselves up when that happens.And that is one of my concerns is
that I see a lot of snowplowsin front of kids making sure that they
can do all the things they wantto do without many barriers, and we
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all know that that's not realistic inthe real world. So I'm a big
believer in create situations that students canexpand their envelope for it broaden their horizons,
perhaps not succeed in the way thatthey thought, so they figure out
how to take those opportunities to learnand grow from that, and so I
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think that is actually one of ourbiggest challenges with our future Stummus explorer's workforce
in general, is helping them understandit's okay for it not to go the
way you expected and reframing what failuremeans, because just because it didn't go
how you wanted doesn't mean you failed. If you learned from it, you
didn't really fail. And I knowthat sounds a little Pollyanna, but that's
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that's real life. It is.It's very much real life. I couldn't
agree more. Now, Ana,you get to be in Michelle's orbit.
What do you find compelling about herwork? Ben? Can I just tell
you I love that you do spacepuns you and I are KENJD Spirits.
Thank you ready. Being in Michelle'sorbit is extraordinary. Really, very few
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people get to take an actual peekinto that privileged world. And I think
it's just her touched on with astronautswith true stories that make those stories even
more compelling. So I wish thatall film directors, TV TV producers would
hire Michelle just to get those thingsright. That's the funnest part about being
in her orbit. Is just tocall her up and say, what'd you
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think of this movie? Nah?Completely false, that's kind of the fun,
you know, but obviously she has, you know, a foundational belief
in education and it's the real storiesthat make the difference incredible. Now,
Shipping Gears, Wow, let's talkabout your nonprofit, Higher Orbits. So
your mission is to use the excitingworld of spaceflight to promote science, technology,
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engineering and math what we call STEM, along with leadership, teamwork and
communication to students of all ages.Now, I would love it if you
could please tell us more about HigherOrbits and the space inspired camp Go for
Launch that you run. Yeah.So I was fortunate as a kiddo that
I applied for scholarship to Space Campthrough a very interesting happenstance of ways,
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and got to attend Spacecamp in Huntsville, Alabama, and it changed my life.
It was the first time I wassurrounded by people who were like minded,
who loved space. I call itfinding my tribe, and it kept
me on my path at a timethat was very difficult. In middle school.
I was incredibly bullied and I didn'tthink there were other people out there
like me, and so I wentto this camp, and I found that
I wanted to be able to bringa space inspired STEM event to the backyards
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of students across the country, andso I created Higher Orbits and the go
Fer Launch program where students get towork with an astronaut for the whole event,
and that is unique. And whenAnna mentioned that the storytelling, I'm
a believer in stories. I thinkthe power is in the journey. And
so while it's awesome to hear aboutan astronaut and their flight in space and
piloting the spacecraft or doing a spacewalk, what is just as powerful is
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how did they get there? Whatis their story? Because it didn't just
magically happen overnight, and they don'tall come from privilege, actually most don't,
and so hearing that story and sharingthat with students is really powerful.
So we run this event all acrossthe country. We've done it seventy five
plus times in nineteen different states,and the students work for a couple of
days on a variety of team buildingchallenges. We're never solving the rocket equation
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on purpose, but we're using spaceas an inspirational platform. I say all
the time, there are two thingsthat inspire all kids or excite all kids.
I should say space and dinosaurs.I know not much about dinosaurs,
bunch about space, so we usethat as our platform. Ultimately, the
teams of students, they get brokeninto teams once they get there. They
designed an experiment that fits in sidea cube that's about the size of a
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square clean of a rectangular clean xboxthat could fly to space. And we've
already sent twenty student experiments to thewell, nineteen to the International Space Station,
and one on a slab or worldrocket. Are they all going to
be rocket scientists? No? DoI even want them all to be rocket
scientists if that's what they want,Yes, But what I really want them
to do is realize that by keepingSTEM as part of their pathway, they
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leave a lot of doors open.And I also want to empower them that
they can do whatever it is thatthey are willing to work hard for,
and also work on their communication,team work and leadership skills. No matter
what, I love everything you're sayingnow. And I know you've attended one
of Michelle's camps Go for Launch.What was it like. I'd love to
hear about your experience. So she'sgreat when she says that we have more
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reason to hope than you would think. It's like watching what the kids come
up with for these science projects arekind of mind blowing. But I would
like to dovetail and talk about thestorytelling aspect of hearing from astronauts. I
mean, imagine if you learned WorldWar two history from actual combat veterans listening
to stories like astronaut Wendy Lawrence,My mind just spun around. This is
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in the real now. For me, it's not CGI created. It's the
storytelling that makes this program unique andmore compelling than anything else I've ever seen
as an education tool. My kid'stoo young, but she participated in the
science fair in third grade after meetingMichelle and actually took the whole thing in
her school. And I know it'sbecause there's a role model like sitting right
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in front of her. There's nothingmore compelling than that taking it into the
realm of the possible, and she'sdoing exactly that now. Michelle, I
really admire how you've used your careersuccess to build programs that are inspiring and
involving students in STEM. You're buildingquite the legacy, But I know this
doesn't come without lots and lots ofwork and effort. Now I understand that
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you travel a significant amount as partof your work. What keeps you going
and what are you inspired by today? Spaces odd by happenstance that our tagline
is space inspires. I love spaceand I love what it has become.
When I started in space a quarterof a century ago, there was only
like one game in town. Itwas NASA and some major contractors. And
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now we have all these different companieswho are participating launching humans to space,
talking about space stations that are commercial. That inspires me, and it inspires
me for the possibilities that exist BecauseI me and some of my friends joke
we were either born a little toolate because we missed the big heyday of
the first moon landing in nineteen sixtyline, or a little too early because
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of all the burgeoning space economy thatis happening. We're kind of in the
middle of it. But like inthis weird space no pun intended, but
the space inspires me and the studentsdo. I mean, it is one
of those things that I never ifyou had told me this would be my
roadmap, I would have told youyou're crazy. I never had any intention
to go start my own companies.I struggled with the term entrepreneur when one
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of my friends, who is oneof the greatest space entrepreneurs ever, was
like, you're an entrepreneur and Ijust started this little nonprofit. This is
not that big of a deal.It is exhausting sometimes, but I love
it and I couldn't do what Ido if I didn't love it, and
so I will do whatever it takesto help make sure students understand the opportunities
that exist for them, particularly inspace, because it is something that I
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love so much and I love Ilove to be able to share my love
of space with others. Michelle,thank you so much for joining us today.
Anna, I couldn't have said itbetter myself. Thank you for bringing
on such a trail blazer to oursegment today. Thank you both, great
conversation. I appreciate it. Thankyou. That was Discover your Potential,
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You're listening to a Moment of Zenright here on seven to ten wr the
voice of New york iHeartRadio. I'myour host, Zen. Sam's up next
in our Going Deep segment, We'regoing to be featuring doctor Johnny Franco.
He's founder of Austin Plastic Surgeon.He's also clinical faculty at the University of
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commitment to advanced seeing medical knowledge isevident through his role as a national trainer
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for industry leaders and advisory board membershipswith organizations like Real Self, Yes,
Doctor, Bioesthetics, and Apex Medical. He joins me today to chat about
liposuction safety, the risks and rewardsinvolved, as well as the benefits of
carbon dioxide therapy pre and post procedure. Joining me now and welcoming us to
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the show is doctor Johnny Frankl.Welcome to the show, superstar. Thanks
for having me. This is great, super exciting. As you probably know,
led with such an has actually beenthe number one procedure in plastic surgery
the last two years, So Ithink there's a perfect topic. Oh,
you are so popular right now becauseto your point, Yes, in recent
statistics, true speech, right here, liposuction overtook breast augmentation as most popular
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cosmetic surgery now. The conjuring procedure, which uses suction to remove exis spat,
accounted for about fifteen percent of cosmeticsurgeries performed worldwide, and changing trends
are part of a global surge inaesthetic medicine, which saw over thirty million
surgical and non surgical procedures carried outin the year twenty twenty two, which
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was a jump of twenty percent fromthe previous year. Now, who would
have thought that LiPo would end upbeing so popular. Could you please start
by sharing with our audience your journeyinto the world of high depth LiPo sculpture
and advanced body conjuring and more importantly, what inspired this career path. Yeah,
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I think it's been a little bitof a transition stuff. I'll tell
you I ended up doing a aestheticfellowship in Miami, So I think you
can really do aesthetic fellowship in Miamiand not be into body contouring and liposuction
and sculpting, you know, tryingto make austin the new you know,
plastic surgery capital the world from Miami. But I think that that was a
big part of it. Actually,Yeah, grew up in a little bit,
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so I was used. I wasused to doing something physical, you
know, being being a part ofsomething. And then you know, between
science doing something physical, classic surgerywas just such a unique art and I
think with lipos such and more thananything else. And that's where the LiPo
section term has gone away. Andnow we talk more about liposculpting and high
definition because it's truly become an artand science melt together to really kind of
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sculpt people but really identify their ownkind of unique body frame. And then
we'll get into some of the uniquetechnology that has really kind of made this
I think, super exciting again.And I think there's kind of two pivot
points. One, I think overthe pandemic stuff, a lot of people
got into the dad bot phase.It's just kind of sweatpants and and you
know, most of us weren't wearingsuits or dress clothes anymore, and and
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maybe life got away from us justa little bit. And I think as
people kind of got back into healthylifestyles, defin no question turned to LiPo
suction as part of that. Definitelythere's been some education on our side that
LiPo section is not a weight lossprocedure, but definitely some exciting opportunities for
patients. Yeah, without a doubt, And I'm going to assume that the
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best candidates, because there have tobe candidates for liposuction, right, are
patients who already concentrate on a healthydiet and exercise as part of their daily
regimen. And when you talk aboutlight bo or LiPo sculpture. The procedure
does not cure to your point orcombat all aspects of obesity or get rid
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of cellulite. Right, So,while women tend to gain fat in your
stomach, hips, and thighs,men suffer from gaining in their midsections and
chest areas. Both men and women, without a doubt, can benefit from
LiPo suction treatments. And it's beenaround for many years, but your work
has advanced the field significantly. Sowhat are the primary differences between the traditional
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LPO suction as we know it andthe high depth light bo sculpture of today's
technique. I think to a coupleof your points, no question, and
the patients need to be as closeto their ideal weight before getting any type
of liposuction because it's not going tohelp you lose weight. I think if
you get liposuction with the goal ofchanging your overall weight or kind of a
replacement for healthy lifestyles treatment for obesity, you're gonna be hugely disappointed. You're
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gonna spend a lot of money andnot have the results that you want.
And often people can sometimes look worsein terms of things. So I think
that's that's number one being in agreat spot. I always tell people,
the better shape you go into surgery, the better you're gonna come out.
So you know, if you keepthat in mind, I think that's super
super helpful. I think you'd bringup a great point about cell you like,
you know, cellulite is something thatbothers a lot of people. But
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you know, liposuction is not acure for that. It's also not a
cure for skin laxity, you know, which we're seeing more and more,
you know, because of some ofthe medications out there in America right now
as well, and we can getinto some of those technologies, but some
of the traditional LiPo session technique,we're just a manual technique of these kind
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of can and just sucking fat.And I think in the past we just
had this mindset of we're just gonnasuck out as much bad as as we
can and hopefully you look great,you know, But there was no kind
of artistry to it. And nowwe really have taken much more of approach
of what's your body frame, what'syour goals, what are you trying to
do in terms of that, Sowe can use the ultrasound, we can
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use some of these special energy devicesto really kind of sculpt people and more
of it. Hey, what areyou looking for? And there's more of
a purposeful meaning to taking out badrather than just trying to take out as
much bad as possible. And Ithink it's been an overall kind of pivot
of mindset when we're doing lip bossectionthat has changed for plastic surgeons at and
patients. So I'm going to stickon this point. So liposuction won't treat
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cellulite right. Cellulite is a complexproblem and pockets of fat are only one
contributing factor. Liposuction cannot alter thefib risk connective bands that along with the
fat cause the dimples and bumps associatedwith cellulite. And it's important to know
if that liposuction can actually worsen theappearance of loose, saggy skin. So
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for the best results, the skinin the treatment area should be firm,
smooth, and relatively elastic. Andusing liposuction to remove fat from an area
of the body with looser saggy skincan leave the skin looking even more wrinkly.
So what is the next recommended step? So cellulite is truly like fabricus
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brands that are pulling this down.If you think that you're just gonna suck
fat around it and make that lookbetter, you're gonna have cellulite with loose
and so not the answer for sure, I think one hundred percent. You
know, the idea with lipos suchand is that you're reducing the fat and
in a very strategic way, butthat skin is recoiling and reshape. And
always tell people your skin is likeyou know, your tablecloth or anything that's
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re draping. You want that serviceto be nice and smooth. You want
to show off the underlying surface.But if you already have a lot of
excess skin and you do liposuction,you only have more excess skin. I
do think for some people that justhave a slight amount of excess skin,
there are some new technologies out thereto help with skin tightening. But definitely
somewhere over the next couple of yearsthat I think there's going to continue to
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be be advancements. I think inthe world of LiPo suction, there's also
some things to help people heal alot faster in terms of this and and
you mentioned at the beginning of theshow, but the carboxy jel Co two
lift is something that we've definitely incorporatedbecause for most patients, they're tracking to
LiPo suction because for the most part, you can have a very quick recovery.
Most people can have a couple daysof downtime be back to it.
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Especially now that we're getting into thesummertime. You know, people want to
be you know, in their beachbody already as quickly as possible, and
we've started to incorporate the carboxy jailwith all of our high definition lipos because
what we've seen is when you're actuallygetting really aggressive and trying to sculpt the
body, you put a lot ofstress on that skin. And you know,
the carboxy jel If people aren't familiarwith it, it's really actually super
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interesting. It actually tricks the skininto thinking that it's starving for oxygen just
for a brief second, which thenmakes all those capillaries and other bload open
up. And we know that bloodflow of the skin is what help with
wound healing, helps a decreased scar, helps with the skin to retract faster,
and so you know, it's justone little thing to get people that
best result possible as quickly as possible. I love that you just segued to
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this because I'm totally a huge fanof carboxy therapy gel. In fact,
to your point, it increases thepresence of wound repair factors and growth factors
which help cells turn over quote unquotefaster, reducing the appearance of aging scars
and stretch marks. It stimulates collagenof course, and elastin production, which
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promotes elasticity and helps retain hydration.It improves local metabolism and elimination of waste
products, which helps the body heallocalized damage such as scars. So that's
also important. But now in parallel, both CO two lift and this is
interesting and hyperbaric oxygen therapy utilize oxygenin their respective processes. So in COE
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two lift, carbon dioxide is appliedto the skin and the skin is expected
to absorb this CO two and inthe process release oxygen, improving skin health.
Right in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber,pure oxygen is administered at an increased
atmospheric pressure, and this higher pressureallows the body to absorb more oxygen into
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the bloodstream, which can be beneficialfor various medical conditions. And the common
thread between the two is the focuson oxygenation of tissues, albeit through different
methods. So comparing CO two liftto a hyperbaric oxygen chamber suggests that there
may be some similarities in how bothtreatments incorporate the use of oxygen. So
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the CO two lift product has beenin fact compared by not only you and
your peers, doctor Hoyos, aswell to a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. But
I would love to know can youspeak to this in your own experience with
patient outcome of one hundred percent?I mean, and the other benefit is
that you don't need a huge hyperbaricoxygen chamber, you know, And so
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the idea behind this because I meanfor most people that that's not realistic in
most offices, you know, betin New York, where space is a
premium, it's hard to have achamber for this. So what's really been
the innovation of this is that youcan actually put this topical carboxy gel over
like a fresh liposuction. We'll doit for several days afterwards, the amount
of bruising, the amount of littlewound healing issue stuff has gone dramatically down
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for our patients. You know,It's so funny because people see so many
benefits that a lot of patients willcontinue it afterwards because they're like, you
know what I put on other areasof my body because we do it a
lot for the body to tell methe other areas real life. While they're
like, I'll do it on myface, I'll do it on my neck
because my skin looks so much bettereven after a liplo suction. With doing
this that that they want to doin other place. This so are Our
experience has been absolutely phenomenal. I'lltell you, Like most people, I
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was skept dick when I first heardthis because it's like, how could this
topical gel be so impactful? Andmy practice has changed over the last six
to nine months because of it.Just seeing all of our patients every day,
this warms my heart. I knewthat I was onto something when I
stumbled onto co two Lift products andtheir incredible founder, Laniker, who is
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the salt of the Earth person,and that's extremely important for any company.
But I have seen these incredible resultsmyself on my breast scars from my ex
plant procedure with doctor Renkin, andit's phenomenal. I mean, the scars
are minimal now, many people areinterested and I'm going to segue back to
light both section or limp sculpture forlack of better terms, but they're interested
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in light bol sculpture for cosmetic purposes. So who are your typical candidates for
this procedure and what kind of resultscan they expect. Yeah, one of
the things that you pointed out earlieris that we've actually seen many more men
coming into the office than we usedto. So no question, it used
to predominantly just women, but men, I think have become much more aware
of their bodies as well, andso we definitely have seen that. But
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usually it's patients that are a littlebit younger and younger changes as I've continued
to age a little bit, andso you know, definitely twenties, thirties,
forties. I think it's almost superimportant to as we talked about earlier,
being a good goal weight, peoplewith good, good skin quality.
And then I think the areas thatyou're getting liposuch and you've got to be
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a little bit careful, And youalluded to this a little bit earlier.
You know, tummy love handles backdo do extremely well. You know,
when you get into areas like thelegs, the butt, the inner thighs,
areas that have really really thin skin. Now you need to be a
little bit cautious. You need toreally talk to your plastic surgeon like,
hey, is this really going tobe a benefit. You know, what
are my chances of having some badoutcomes because there are different attachments to the
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skin, depends on the skin quality, and you know, you can turn
something that you think is relatively simpleinto a challenging problem. You are on
your a game, my dear,Thank you so much for joining us today.
You are very very inspiring, veryinformative, and thank you so much
for being an expert in your field. Appreciate you having me. Thank you.
Now, guys, listen, notvetting your doctor can have serious consequences,
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and I mean serious. Speaking ofyour lipposuction surgeon, the body contract
procedure should only be performed by qualifiedboard certified plastic surgeon and of course,
undoubtedly with liposculpture experience, light bosuctionis a thing of the past. You
definitely want to check out doctor Franco. Selecting an inexperienced your amateur provider will
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definitely jeopardize your results and your health. That was our going Deep segment brought
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