December 22, 2025 • 37 mins
Radical Islamist violence explodes across the globe all on the same day - Is it a coincidence? Providence police and Brown University fumble the ball and President Trump crosses a line with a social media post. There were some very surprising utterances this week as you will hear in our "did they really just say that" clips.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Radical Islamist violence explodes across the globe all on the
same day. Is it a coincidence? Providence? Police from Brown
University fumble the ball and President Trump crosses a line
with a social media post. There were some very surprising
utterances this week, as you'll hear and are did they
really just say that clips? I'm Nancy Shack, I'm Ben Parker,
(00:20):
this is newspite.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Just pay my respects to the people Brown University. Nine
injured and two are looking down on us right now
from heaven. Likewise, in Australia, as you know, there was
a terrible attack, eleven dead, twenty nine badly wounded.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So the BA level chyre came from inside the building
and us all we had at the more than sold.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
We had a business morning, of course, So it's from
the outset, yes, wells and outside. I'm sorry, that's what
we are. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I don't I don't understand the man in that White House.
Have you no shame, no shame at all.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
First of all, if you could stop the planet, I'm
just going to step off for a while. Holy smoky
smokes the world. I was going to say, the world's
going hell, it's already been heading that direction. It's just
like some some weeks are like who accelerated the helometer? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Wow, big time this weekend. That that last cut you
heard in the open was will Be Goldberg on the
view re enacting the the Circe Shame scene from Game
of Thrones. I mean, if you want to, you can
hear the whole thing and then I'll tell you what
she's responding to cut twenty A. Please we can.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Wrap our minds around the awfulness of these things, then
we can open our hearts to all the people who
have had to deal with this, all the women, all
of the men, all of the people of color, all
the Jews, all the folks who have had to deal
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with this struggle. I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
The man in.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
That White House because he talks so much about Charlie
Kirk and caring, and suddenly this is what he puts out.
Have you no shame? No shame at all? This is
Can you get any lower? I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I don't want to say I totally ever agree with whoopee,
but boy I lean in her direction on that though.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
People, Well, let's explain what this is. You know, what
she's talking about is the aftermath of the murder of
director Rob Ryder and his wife, who allegedly had their
throat slit by their son, their drug addicted, mentally ill son,
who is currently being held with nobail and being charged
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with murder. And there's still weighing with it, a charge
to put the death penalty on the table.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Well, in a second, they don't let me weigh in
on death penalty.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's true, they don't.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know what I would say, Yes, upon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Hearing the news that Rob Reiner had been murdered by
his child, or allegedly by his child, it looks like
that's what it is. But Trump, President Trump made an
ill advised posting on truth Social ripping Reiner and saying
that his son had was driven to murder his parents
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because of Reiner's trumped arrangement syndrome, basically to shut him up.
And it was a it was a pretty tasteless post.
But keep in mind, and I'm not defending what he did,
but keep in mind that Reiner had used to be
a friend of Donald Trump's many years ago. In fact,
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you know his book The Art of the Deal, which
is his famous book that put him on the map.
Basically the cover photo of him was taken by Michelle Reiner,
Rob Ryder's wife, who was a photographer, and they were
very good friends, and at some point in time they
went their different ways, and Ryner made it his raison,
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decked his purpose in life to destroy Donald Trump as
president and to stop him from being in the White House.
He put his own money behind the Russia Russia Russia hoax.
He called him vile names, he went after him. So
Rob Reiner is not you know, Saint Teresa, who was
then murtered by his child. And so I mean he
went after Donald Trump viciously for quite some time. And
(05:00):
I think Donald Trump has just had it with people
going after him because they've been after him hammer and
tong for so long, for at least eight years now.
But that being said, so it's not he wasn't just
gratuitously cruel. He came out with something after this guy
had hammered him. So he was coming out with a
very pissy, nasty social media post. I don't think you
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should have done it, Let's just put it out there.
I don't think you should have done it, But I
understand his mindset was my dad always gave me this advice,
and I was well, when you're mad about something, when
you want to respond publicly to something, whether it's in
a letter, an email, a post, whatever, put it aside
for twenty four to forty eight hours, and then revisit it.
(05:45):
Don't do it when you're you know, and I think
Donald Trump was pissed.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, let's been the rule of thumb too. If you like,
you got to write a scathing email to your friend,
I mean to your friend or your boss or somebody,
you write the email and then you delete it. Yeah,
you get it out of your head, right, but don't
send it. Get it right, get it out of your head,
but don't send it. Because that's the thing when you
when you whenever you say, even if you're not writing,
if you're just verbally expressing yourself, or you write something
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based in anger or hatred or whatever wherever you're coming from,
you're not going to write something you're going to be
proud of later. I mean Trump, I don't know if
Trump's going to be proud or not proud of what
he wrote, but he just You can't. You shouldn't. You can't,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It was cruel. It was a cruel. And here here's
my take, on it though, in regard to the post,
if you meant to hurt Rob Reiner too late, right,
Reiner's dad, his wife is dead. The only people you're
going to hurt by that tweet are the children, the
surviving children, two of whom are completely innocent in all
of this, and other parents of other children with serious
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mental issues and drug addiction. That's who you're going to hurt.
So you're not You're not striking the target that you
want to strike at. And I think I think that's
what he forgot in that moment when he did that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Well, he just should hit send. That's really it. He'd
write it. Go ahead and write it down. Whatever, tell Melania.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, And he was asked about it in the
Oval Report, said, mister President, a number of people, including
other Republicans, are pretty upset by this, and what are
you going to take it?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Back?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Cut number two?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Please, A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on
True's social after the murder of Rob Reiner.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Do you stand by that post?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He
was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.
He said he like he knew it was false. In fact,
it's the exact opposite that I was a friend of
Russia controlled by Russia.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
You know, it was the Russia hoax.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He was one of the people behind it. I think
he heard himself in career wise, he became like a
deranged person Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a
fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape
or form.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I thought he was very bad for our country.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, but he didn't denounce the statement, correct. I don't
remember the last time he denounced anything that he's actually
done so, but that.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It did, that would be him admitting he was wrong,
and he doesn't. He does not like doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
And you know, look there he could have said nothing,
but as president he had to say something. I suppose,
but just write a two sentence sorry about this, blah
blah blah. Investigators who will look into it, and you know,
in this country and justice will be served, Thank you
God bless America.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, it's just And I don't know if in his
heart of hearts, uh, you know, when he's sitting on
the throne or something reading the paper, he goes, man,
I probably shouldn't have done that or if he says.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Let's screw him, screw whether he looks back, yeah, looks forward?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look And and this is how you know, we certainly
are in a time when people politically disagree in spades.
I mean everywhere, when when almost everybody Democrat, Republican, uh, independent, whatever,
are like, jeez, Donald not the thing to do. It
was probably wrong and it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I think I think I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
And by the way, look it's okay to think that
somebody you support is wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, of course a lot of agree with them
one hundred percent of the times. And you can still
support him and think he did a bad thing here.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
And obviously Whoopy Goldberg, I don't know if she's ever
said anything nice about it, so you'd expect it from Whoopee.
But I mean, look, it was so egregious that almost everybody,
yeah is going Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Of people, a lot of people were. And that's actually
a question. I wouldn't mind asking the people who are
listening to this podcast right now, who I tell you
at the end how you can contact us. But you know,
do you think Donald Trump went too far? And if
you did, does it change your mind about him? Confirm
your mind about him or do you is it not
going to affect anything? You just hope he doesn't do
it again.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Also just you know, also just shows that, like we
really needed more proof. But it also shows that, you know,
social media can be a dangerous web, yeah, because people
go on there and just blurt stuff out without thinking, well,
should I send this, should I post this? Whereas you know, yeah,
a lot of people had hatrel fateful thoughts twenty thirty,
forty fifty years ago, but they really didn't have a
means unless they went on the rooftop and shouted. You
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really didn't have the means to say it here. Today,
anybody can say anything about anybody. And by the way,
even right, and we've seen this happen, like Donald Trump's
the president, so obviously whatever he says people pay attention to.
But even sometimes, you know, Joe Blow in Idaho can
post something on social media, put the right hashtag on it,
and all of a sudden, some nobody's comment is going viral.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, so we do live in it and get attributed
to people who fast forward the tweet.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Right, so toast, After you write something online, especially something bad,
count to ten and then if you still want to
send it. Count to ten again and repeat that like
one hundred and fifty times and then see if you
still want to send it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I agree with you. I think Donald Trump went to
President Trump went too far in that post. But I'm
going to give an example of somebody who did not
go far enough. And to me, that is the Province
police at Brown University, you know, which was the scene
of a horrific shooting over the over the weekend. Too
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dead and nine people wounded when a gunman shot up
an economic Exam review class and uh and then just
walked out, kind of like walk down the street. Cut
number twenty six.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Lose promise. Please hands, hands.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Hands, hants, tants, hands, everybody get your hands, hands, hands, hands, hants.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Hands, just keep your hands up for us.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh excuse, there's something going on for here to help you.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Now, they I was.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
If you're watching the video of that, you know there's
students huddled on the floor of this classroom. They don't
know what that banging is. They don't know if it's
a gun, because there's been a gun and shooting people up.
They don't know if the police turned out to be
the police, and the relief on their faces. You know,
they could have made them stand there for four hours
or their hands in there. They didn't care. They were
just so happy to see them that they were being
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rescued from a scene of a shooting. But they arrested.
The Providence police then went and arrested They brought him
in quote as a person of interest interest and ask
Richard Jewel from the Atlanta bombing of the Olympics, how
that goes. Once your a person of interest, your reputation
is usually destroyed. And they arrested the wrong guy, and
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then they went on the back foot and their next
couple of press conferences were all about how don't hold
them responsible for basically arresting the wrong guy. This is
Providence Mayor Brett Smiley cut Ten.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Our investigation into this horrific act remains ongoing. It has
been ongoing, and I know there's been some frustration from
members of the community and others about the language that
we've been using about the person of interest and such,
and that speaks to directly the fact that this investigation
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was and continues ongoing, and we will continue to endeavor
to not confirm any information that is not yet confirmable.
And that is how we can best be transparent with
all the members of our community, to share the best information.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
That we have.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now, this looked like a bigger bleep up than you
can imagine because the witnesses the students from the classroom.
First of all, it was a class taught by a
Jewish professor who was not there that Dave the Review
had sent a teaching assistant instead. But the witnesses in
the classroom said that the shooter said a la akbar,
ala hu akbar before the shooting started. And then the
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police put out a picture of a guy that's name
is Ericson from Wisconsin, I mean, and looks about as
Dutch as you can possibly get. And that's somebody who's
liable to be yelling a la akbar. And my first
thought was, really he's a because there are a lot
of other things going on in the world that show
that jihadis had picked that yeat, that picked Sunday as
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the day to do coordinated attacks in various places. Some
were foiled before they started, some were not foiled, and
Bondai Beach in Australia was not foiled, and neither was
the shooting in Brown. Now nobody knows for sure that
they're connected, but it's a very strange coincidence that all
these happened. These things happen at the same time. So
you see this picture of this Dutch guy and you're like, huh,
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that's interesting. And they took forever, you know, to say
maybe it's not the real guy, and that's why you
then have the mayor. You then have the Attorney General
of Rhode Island, Peter Narona, coming out and saying, hey,
you know, we chase the leads down. That's our job.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Cut twelve A.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Collectively, the team developed leads in a number of areas.
One was chased to ground.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It led to the to.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
Us detaining a person of interest. So those words and
how we choose those words when we're talking about an
investigation matter, and what it means here is that certainly
there was some degree of evidence that pointed to this individual,
but that evidence needed to be corroborated and confirmed, and
over the last twenty four hours leading into a just
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very very recently, that evidence now points in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Turns out there was never any evidence towards this guy.
They just and the while they were busy chasing down
this guy who had no connection whatsoever to what was
going on. Time is a wasting.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
The real guy's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And then it was not for oh my god, a
day later that they finally released video of the person
who actually might be the shooter. And the only reason
why they were able to do that because it was
the fact that despite the fact that Brown University has
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billions of dollars of endowments, and they have some cameras
around the outside of the building that was unlocked by
the way during an exam period, so anybody that's the
public could walk in, and there were cameras inside the building,
none of those were released. Brown did not release any
of the video that was from the campus and which
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is interesting to me and so, but what they ended
up doing is having to go around collecting ring doorbell
camera photographs from houses in the neighborhood to get it
around the time of the shooter to get this, and
they do have video of the shooter walking away. It's
very hard and very grainy to see because they're not
high quality cameras because they're ring doorbell cameras that are
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from the houses. Despite the fact that Brown is with
cameras and there were cameras inside and outside the university
wasn't releasing any of these of these of this film,
and this made a lot of criticism come the way
of the university president pax what's her name, Paxon, Yeah,
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I believe her name is Paxon, the president of the
Brown University, President Christina Paxson.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And she.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Got up there and at a time we were worried
about people in the hospital finding the shooter. To her dad, now,
I mean, all this is happening, She's like, don't blame
me or Brown for the fact we didn't release the
videos earlier cut number fourteen.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
The primary point that I wanted to address before we
get to questions is that Brown is deeply committed to
the safety and security and wellbeing of our community, and
I've been deeply saddened to see people questioning that. We
understand that as time goes on, there is maybe a
naw instinct to assigned responsibility for a tragic event like this.
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Anxiety in fear is very natural, but the shooter is responsible.
Horrific gun violence took the lives of these students and
hospitalized others, and it's deeply sad and tragic that schools
across the country are targets of violence.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Brown is no exception.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, my issue here is one. I agree with her.
The shooter is responsible, but Brown made it easy for
the shooter. The building wasn't locked. The guy could just
walk in, you know. They didn't turn the video over
within you know, for days. So that and even then,
we still haven't seen the Brown University video. We've only
seen the ring camp videos.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I still don't.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And she's more concerned with pointing blame herself than she
is about anything else.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Here two things, and one is the video? And why
aren't they releasing it? Any of it? I mean, because,
as you pointed out, Brown has a gazillion cameras, as
do many college campuses and everything else. Are they afraid
that somebody's going to recognize the shooter? I mean, what
I don't get it isn't the whole point. Look, the
whole point at this point is to try to find
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this person. One because they did this horrible thing, but
two to stop them from maybe doing this horrible thing
again somewhere else. That's always why you want to get
a criminal off the street is because of what they
did and what you worry they might do. So why
not release every picture you have, well, there might be
a picture of someone we don't want to be put up. Listen,
we got to catch these idiots, I mean, and I know, Look,
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one of the things about catching criminals is it's sometimes
it's very easy. Right you walk in and there's the criminal,
take them into custody. Sometimes it isn't. I mean, the
marathon bombing took a long time to find those two people.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That actually didn't take a long time to identify them.
They were identified, They had pictures everywhere, they had cameras right.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Off on the.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They had identified within a day.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
We win a day, correct, And so if Brown released
more videos, we might not catch him in a day,
but we might identify him in a day. And that
makes no kidden if you know who he is where
he is, because then you know right now even his
best friend might not know it's him unless he told him.
So if you say, hey, it's Joe Blow, Joe Blow's
mother might be like, well, Joe Blow's sitting in my
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kitchen table right now you talk to Yeah, so it's that.
But maybe it's too early to say this, but I
gotta say it now before everybody else does. And then
I look like I would just jumping on the bandwagon.
She said something that you agreed with, and I agreed with. Right,
the person, this guy, whoever did this, is the person
is responsible. Very weird because what I might have expected
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and maybe this guy happened.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, why this listen, I big admission the mass slip
for a second.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yes, look, she's absolutely right, but now she never gets
to go back on that the guy is responsible. And
and by the way, while we're on the topic, and
I don't want to get off topic too far, but
I'm going to anyway. So all these anti gun people
and I get it. Look, shootings are terrible and people
nobody should be shot, and blah blah blah blah blah.
But here's the thing, Right, Rob Bryner was a liberal
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anti gun guy. How did he get killed? Not with
a gun? Right? So, so do we start banning knives
or does this prove And Brown University's president said it
does this prove that it isn't the weapon, it's the
person with it. So we've got to start, you know,
stop being you know all you know, one sided. Oh,
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it's the guns that kill people. What about knives? Well,
knives are good for cutting steak and we should keep
those around. No, you can kill someone with anything.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I know.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Guns are easier because you can have twenty five bullets
and just go as opposed to what are you gonna do?
Throw twenty five knives? But I get it. Guns are
more dangerous per se, but you still can kill somebody
if you suffocate them with a pillowcase. So it's the person,
and I agree with the Brown University president as did you.
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The person is to blame let's circle that make T
shirts and move on with our lives.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Then well as angry as I am with President Paxton
about being more concerned with making sure nobody blames her
for something that she is partially responsible for, there is
there is a bigger fly in the ointment in the
response to the Brown shooter, and that.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Would be the Keystone Cups.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Providence Police Chief Oscar Perez, otherwise known as the Keystone
Cups or the Gang that Shouldn't Shoot straight leader of
I want to give you an example of what we
have here With Chief Perez. A reporter asked him why
FBI files have, why the FBI has released different videos
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than the Providence Police have, and whether that means there
are other videos we need to see cut fifteen the
FBI MP when I'm.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Moving online, look like they were releasing separate videos at
separate times.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Are gust coordinating or a hard Well, you're going to
understand that a lot of people upstairs.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
The general stated area and when trying to ensure.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That we do this right job and collect the events
and that we need and we want to make sure
that everybody has the especially you guys in the pulfic funding,
don't want to make sure that the community save will
involved and stay confident in.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
The work that we're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, so I want to remind everybody. The question was
are you working with the FBI because you're releasing different videos.
His response is, it's a big job and public safety
is our primary concern. That he has not even close
to assemblance of an answer for that question. Doesn't even
touch it, tangent, they're not even the same galaxy his
response and the question so But oddly enough, that was
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not the worst moment from his press conference. Another reporter
asked why there are no videos? Very rational question. Why
there are no videos from inside the building because the
place is covered with cameras inside the building. Why are
we only getting these ring door cameras that are grainy
and hard to see. If the purpose is to id
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this guy and help track him down, very rational, reasonable question.
Listen to the response cut sixteen bras inside and outside
the engineering buildings, you are those working at all, and
so why so close to you?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the video that we choun came from inside the building,
and that's all we had at the moment.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That was so we had at this.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Moment, of course, though certainly it's from the outside of
the film.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
So do you have video works engineering both inside and outside?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm sorry, just outside, that's all we had, Not inside,
I'm sorry, just outside.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
The building those So that was the outside of the
building we re released that.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Let me get this straight. There it was the inside,
outside of the inside building.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, And here's the thing, it wasn't even outside the building.
It was the chime door cameras were released, which was
not outside the building. It was in the neighborhood down
the street. So neither outside the building, nor the inside
or outside videos from the building have been released, but
outside videos have been released from the door chime cameras.
And meanwhile, this was so confusing. It's so bad that
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the Rhode Island Attorney General there, Peter Narona literally took
his arm and moved the police chief away from the
microphone and jumped in here cut sixteen A.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Let me just let me just jump here and clarify it. Okay,
So there is you know, for those that you've been
with us before, and I understand not all of you
have been. There is video inside the building. There are
cameras inside the building. What we have released to you
are videos of this person of interest. So I want
to be clear because later on there may be other
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videos they can release in the course of a prosecution,
likely will be at some point. They show things like
chaos after the shooting. What they don't show is the
is this person of interest? And so that's why we
haven't released.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
That those videos.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, do you understand, Well, I understand what he's saying,
but I don't understand why he said what he's saying.
If that makes any sense. I get what he's trying
to say.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You're saying, there are videos, but we're not giving them.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Well, but then he also said, and the person of
interest isn't in those videos? What does that mean? Yeah?
I don't know, because I look, here's the one thing
we know for sure, Okay, guaranteed, absolutely, without fail. I
don't know if the guy they show in these pictures
walking down the street was the shooter, but I know this,
whoever did the shooting was inside the building and should
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have been caught on camera somewhere. Yeah, So forget the
ring doorbells. I mean, they're fine if that is the
guy or the guy they're looking for. Fine, But listen
inside Brown the building, inside that whole building, whatever his
path was, and even outside that building going to or
coming from the shooter, was there. Every other picture, we
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don't here's a person there, here's the shoot. How about this,
here's the damn guy. We got a picture of him
right here with a gun in his hand. I don't understand.
It seems like I don't know who's driving the ship
or whether anybody. And look I'm not I'm the police
expert or anything, but we know one hundred percent the
shooter was in the building. Give me the videos from
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inside the building, and I can almost assure you that
we will see a picture of the person who pulled
the trigger. I don't guests.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think that's eminently rational and reasonable, as was the question.
But this is the point the Chief of Police of Providence.
Along with all of the gaggle that was up there
are the gang that couldn't shoot straight. It's like they
just even when they're handed a softball question by the press,
they bleep it up. And here's what's happened. Not only
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has their incompetence here or their inability to get their
bleep together allowed a shooter to still be free, not
even identified four days at the time of recording this
after the after the incident, but it's also spawning conspiracy theories,
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which will also muddy the water. But in this case,
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but in this case
they're becoming more reasonable to me because here's the thing.
So you have the question becomes and I want everybody
to think about this question, what is going on here?
Is it pure in competence or is it a cover
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up that is exacerbating incompetence. That's the question. That's actually
what's happening here. Because you have this huge mess that's
created by and he has to decide he meeting the
chief of police, has to decide what information to keep
from the public and what not to keep from the public.
Now every case has information kept from the public for
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prosecutorial purposes or to identify somebody. So say you let
some of the information out to help identify the perpetrator,
and then you know you have the right perpetrator if
he has the right information that has not been made public.
So there's reasons to keep some It looks like there
is more information being kept from the public here than
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just that type of information. For instance, they refuse, refuse
to explain regarding about what the uh what the shooter
yelled in the classroom and Oscar Press Junior was asked
about what was asked in the classroom, and we have
heard from witnesses what it was. It was ala huakbar,
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which is a typical well it's not. It's actually a
typical kind of war cry from It is a radicalized
Islamis Jihadis. They will say that before they open fire.
And people in the classroom and in the area said
that that's what they heard. So Press wanted to get
confirmation from Chief paris Us and this is what happened.
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Cut eleven is a report shooter.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yelled something right before a.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Shot came in.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Could you tell us what that what that was?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, part of the investigation, John and Wilji the Oason.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I asked that though is for instance, like with the
uniformber his brother recognized the writing, so is it it's
possible a friend or family member might recognize if the
person said something.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That was significant. Correct, Why you don't other than the
nine millimetre?
Speaker 11 (30:33):
Is there anything else inside that auditorium that you could
tell us?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Now that's correct?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That listen, Like I said, earlier, investigations will bring us
to evidence that we need to collect in order to
be able to prosecute that what with that being said,
With that being said, we're going to continue to collect evidence.
And if he leads us to something to that nature,
that's going to be extremely helpful for us to identify somebody,
will be the first ones to put it out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
He want answer the question, He want to tell them
what it is. He goes, because we don't want to
share that information. Okay, but it can identify somebody. Public
safety is are bigger. I mean, it's just he won't
answer it. So the reporter didn't give up. Eleven A
Alex John's question, did the suspect yell?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Life has been reported in some of rodeo is reporting,
But did he yell.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
In the human classroom, and how valuable have witnessed statements
been from those who survived.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Listen, my heart goes out to the victims, he goes
out to the families, and I'll tell you that there
their cooperation has been extremely helpful and that without being said,
we'll continue and I'm going to respect the fact.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
That and I hope that they get better. In my
heart and soul goes out to them.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So that's something that's something that we're investigating.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
We took statements and we have to confirm that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So there are so many it's not like there were
no witnesses. There were so many witnesses who said what
he said. So here, here's the thing. This is why
it's spawning conspiracy theorists. So because that would move it
from or the whole theory is they're putting this wallllet
and not sharing information because they don't want people to
think that this was part of the Jihattest terrorist attacks
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that happened on Sunday. They want for people to think
it's separate. And that's that's what's going on. Why because
at the same time they don't want you know, they're
trying to keep this from going into the category of
Islamic terrorism. Why, I don't know, because if it is,
I think people need to know and be on their guard.
But because at the same time it was happening at
Brown University, we had the attacks, there were multiple attacks
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happening around the world. President Trump actually had to come
out and deal with it instead of going right into
a you know, a Christmas thing for kids. Cut number three.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Before we begin, however, I want to just pay my
respects to the people. Unfortunately two are no longer with
us Brown University. Nine injured and two down on us
right now from heaven. And likewise, in Australia, as you know,
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that was a terrible attack. Eleven did, twenty nine badly wounded,
and that was an anti Semitic attack obviously, And I
just want to pay my respects to everybody, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I mean it's just like so, there was that attack,
there was a foiled attack in la that happened on
the same day. There was an attack at a Christmas
market in Amsterdam. There was a foiled attack at a
Germany Christmas market. And there was a shooting in New
York City that looks like it probably was terrorist related
as well.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
So this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what are they trying to hide? Because it looks
very much like this was part of that going after
a Jewish professor's class who happened to not be there.
That is what happens when you have such incompetent leadership
and the police level. First of all, the crime doesn't
get solved, and secondly, people begin to think it can't
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be that they're that stupid ken it. I mean, is
it they're trying to hide something? Are they really that incompetent?
This is what the people have bread, And that becomes
a question. Is there a worldwide Jihattist movement to increase
the caliphate? Basically? Is that what's happening now? And you know,
hiding a shooting at Brown University does not help assuage
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that question, well, of.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Any of these shootings, right, and we'll focus on Brown
because we had and I don't know why the person
did it. We don't even know who they are. We
don't even know what they said because they won't even
tell us what they said, even though people told the
police what they said. He said. So anyway, but here's
the thing, I don't know if there's a worldwide jie
hottist thing going on everywhere. But if there is, if
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there is this, and they're not telling a lot of
people at a time, let's be honest about it. I
mean again, people in Australia.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
What I'm I'm saying is I understand they kill fifteen,
they're fifteen. I mean they would like to kill a
million at a time, is what I'm saying. Their goal
is it to kill time? Got it? I got no,
I get it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying
is this, here's the problem for Brown if this is
the case, right, and you can put this on any
of the places Australia, anywhere else, whatever. But they've already
said that's terrorists. If you admit that a jie hottist
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walked on to the campus of Brown University in Providence,
Rhode Island, and walked into a building and shot a
ton of people, killing two of them Injuring nine and eight,
and it's still on the loose. What you're basically telling
the world, or at least the people in nobody's say.
Nobody's saying you can do a shopping mall, you can't
go to the church, you can't go to the school,
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you can't go.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So yeah, we already know that this is not new information.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
No, no, no, no, we know that. But I mean
sometimes there are people who don't want the public at
large to think, let's see if we can no tell
them that they're in dangerous So, I mean, I get
what you're saying. But if they come out and say
this was a terrorist attack by and I says Jackweed
bowly crap on the campus of Brown University and promdence
aroundand that would happen anywhere. And now you've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It seems to have happened in the street behind my
house this past week.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I know where you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So yeah, that's literally my back of my building is
on that street, about fifty feet from where an MIT
professor Jewish professor was murdered this week.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Plus the last thing any school once, I would think,
is all of a sudden, a thousand students unenrolling from
the school because their parents say, you're not safe, get
out of there, You're you're not going there anymore. So agree,
I don't know, you know what the whole world's gone to.
As I mentioned before, hell and a hand basket thing
is we just need a bigger hand basket.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, I think that's true. We're going to end this
week with a bidenism just because I can and I've
missed them, so and we had one because Joe Biden
has actually popped his head up a couple of times
in the last couple of weeks. In this particular case,
he's added Eagles game and he's speaking to a man
with a camera saying how the Eagles are going to
win the Super Bowl again this year, and then mumbles
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we I don't know what he's mumbling. Cut twenty five birds.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Go Birds Away?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
How cool did de lead her today?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
You gotta get him back.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I really don't know what happened, what he said. I'm
just guessing at a lot of it. But Joe, I've
missed you. What can I say? So if you missed Joe,
you can let us. We can only do Biden and
Defe's you know, up and walking, and he hasn't been lately.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Maybe he was trying to trying to order a couple
of hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
In the confession guy, I agree. Thanks everybody for listening
this week. We upload a new episode every single Monday,
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Radical Islamist violence explodes across the globe all on the
same day. Is it a coincidence? Providence? Police from Brown
University fumble the ball and President Trump crosses a line
with a social media post. There were some very surprising
utterances this week, as you'll hear and are did they
really just say that clips? I'm Nancy Shack, I'm Ben Parker,
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this is newspite.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Just pay my respects to the people Brown University. Nine
injured and two are looking down on us right now
from heaven. Likewise, in Australia, as you know, there was
a terrible attack, eleven dead, twenty nine badly wounded.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So the BA level chyre came from inside the building
and us all we had at the more than sold.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
We had a business morning, of course, So it's from
the outset, yes, wells and outside. I'm sorry, that's what
we are. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I don't I don't understand the man in that White House.
Have you no shame, no shame at all.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
First of all, if you could stop the planet, I'm
just going to step off for a while. Holy smoky
smokes the world. I was going to say, the world's
going hell, it's already been heading that direction. It's just
like some some weeks are like who accelerated the helometer? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Wow, big time this weekend. That that last cut you
heard in the open was will Be Goldberg on the
view re enacting the the Circe Shame scene from Game
of Thrones. I mean, if you want to, you can
hear the whole thing and then I'll tell you what
she's responding to cut twenty A. Please we can.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Wrap our minds around the awfulness of these things, then
we can open our hearts to all the people who
have had to deal with this, all the women, all
of the men, all of the people of color, all
the Jews, all the folks who have had to deal
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with this struggle. I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
The man in.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
That White House because he talks so much about Charlie
Kirk and caring, and suddenly this is what he puts out.
Have you no shame? No shame at all? This is
Can you get any lower? I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
I don't want to say I totally ever agree with whoopee,
but boy I lean in her direction on that though.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
People, Well, let's explain what this is. You know, what
she's talking about is the aftermath of the murder of
director Rob Ryder and his wife, who allegedly had their
throat slit by their son, their drug addicted, mentally ill son,
who is currently being held with nobail and being charged
(03:13):
with murder. And there's still weighing with it, a charge
to put the death penalty on the table.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Well, in a second, they don't let me weigh in
on death penalty.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's true, they don't.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know what I would say, Yes, upon.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Hearing the news that Rob Reiner had been murdered by
his child, or allegedly by his child, it looks like
that's what it is. But Trump, President Trump made an
ill advised posting on truth Social ripping Reiner and saying
that his son had was driven to murder his parents
(03:53):
because of Reiner's trumped arrangement syndrome, basically to shut him up.
And it was a it was a pretty tasteless post.
But keep in mind, and I'm not defending what he did,
but keep in mind that Reiner had used to be
a friend of Donald Trump's many years ago. In fact,
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you know his book The Art of the Deal, which
is his famous book that put him on the map.
Basically the cover photo of him was taken by Michelle Reiner,
Rob Ryder's wife, who was a photographer, and they were
very good friends, and at some point in time they
went their different ways, and Ryner made it his raison,
(04:37):
decked his purpose in life to destroy Donald Trump as
president and to stop him from being in the White House.
He put his own money behind the Russia Russia Russia hoax.
He called him vile names, he went after him. So
Rob Reiner is not you know, Saint Teresa, who was
then murtered by his child. And so I mean he
went after Donald Trump viciously for quite some time. And
(05:00):
I think Donald Trump has just had it with people
going after him because they've been after him hammer and
tong for so long, for at least eight years now.
But that being said, so it's not he wasn't just
gratuitously cruel. He came out with something after this guy
had hammered him. So he was coming out with a
very pissy, nasty social media post. I don't think you
(05:22):
should have done it, Let's just put it out there.
I don't think you should have done it, But I
understand his mindset was my dad always gave me this advice,
and I was well, when you're mad about something, when
you want to respond publicly to something, whether it's in
a letter, an email, a post, whatever, put it aside
for twenty four to forty eight hours, and then revisit it.
(05:45):
Don't do it when you're you know, and I think
Donald Trump was pissed.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Well, let's been the rule of thumb too. If you like,
you got to write a scathing email to your friend,
I mean to your friend or your boss or somebody,
you write the email and then you delete it. Yeah,
you get it out of your head, right, but don't
send it. Get it right, get it out of your head,
but don't send it. Because that's the thing when you
when you whenever you say, even if you're not writing,
if you're just verbally expressing yourself, or you write something
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based in anger or hatred or whatever wherever you're coming from,
you're not going to write something you're going to be
proud of later. I mean Trump, I don't know if
Trump's going to be proud or not proud of what
he wrote, but he just You can't. You shouldn't. You can't,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It was cruel. It was a cruel. And here here's
my take, on it though, in regard to the post,
if you meant to hurt Rob Reiner too late, right,
Reiner's dad, his wife is dead. The only people you're
going to hurt by that tweet are the children, the
surviving children, two of whom are completely innocent in all
of this, and other parents of other children with serious
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mental issues and drug addiction. That's who you're going to hurt.
So you're not You're not striking the target that you
want to strike at. And I think I think that's
what he forgot in that moment when he did that.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Well, he just should hit send. That's really it. He'd
write it. Go ahead and write it down. Whatever, tell Melania.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, And he was asked about it in the
Oval Report, said, mister President, a number of people, including
other Republicans, are pretty upset by this, and what are
you going to take it?
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Back?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Cut number two?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Please, A number of Republicans have denounced your statement on
True's social after the murder of Rob Reiner.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
Do you stand by that post?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, I wasn't a fan of his at all. He
was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.
He said he like he knew it was false. In fact,
it's the exact opposite that I was a friend of
Russia controlled by Russia.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
You know, it was the Russia hoax.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He was one of the people behind it. I think
he heard himself in career wise, he became like a
deranged person Trump derangement syndrome. So I was not a
fan of Rob Reiner at all in any way, shape
or form.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
I thought he was very bad for our country.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, but he didn't denounce the statement, correct. I don't
remember the last time he denounced anything that he's actually
done so, but that.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
It did, that would be him admitting he was wrong,
and he doesn't. He does not like doing that.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think that's right.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
And you know, look there he could have said nothing,
but as president he had to say something. I suppose,
but just write a two sentence sorry about this, blah
blah blah. Investigators who will look into it, and you know,
in this country and justice will be served, Thank you
God bless America.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Yeah, it's just And I don't know if in his
heart of hearts, uh, you know, when he's sitting on
the throne or something reading the paper, he goes, man,
I probably shouldn't have done that or if he says.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Let's screw him, screw whether he looks back, yeah, looks forward?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look And and this is how you know, we certainly
are in a time when people politically disagree in spades.
I mean everywhere, when when almost everybody Democrat, Republican, uh, independent, whatever,
are like, jeez, Donald not the thing to do. It
was probably wrong and it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, I think I think I agree with you.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
And by the way, look it's okay to think that
somebody you support is wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean, of course a lot of agree with them
one hundred percent of the times. And you can still
support him and think he did a bad thing here.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
And obviously Whoopy Goldberg, I don't know if she's ever
said anything nice about it, so you'd expect it from Whoopee.
But I mean, look, it was so egregious that almost everybody,
yeah is going Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Of people, a lot of people were. And that's actually
a question. I wouldn't mind asking the people who are
listening to this podcast right now, who I tell you
at the end how you can contact us. But you know,
do you think Donald Trump went too far? And if
you did, does it change your mind about him? Confirm
your mind about him or do you is it not
going to affect anything? You just hope he doesn't do
it again.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Also just you know, also just shows that, like we
really needed more proof. But it also shows that, you know,
social media can be a dangerous web, yeah, because people
go on there and just blurt stuff out without thinking, well,
should I send this, should I post this? Whereas you know, yeah,
a lot of people had hatrel fateful thoughts twenty thirty,
forty fifty years ago, but they really didn't have a
means unless they went on the rooftop and shouted. You
(10:00):
really didn't have the means to say it here. Today,
anybody can say anything about anybody. And by the way,
even right, and we've seen this happen, like Donald Trump's
the president, so obviously whatever he says people pay attention to.
But even sometimes, you know, Joe Blow in Idaho can
post something on social media, put the right hashtag on it,
and all of a sudden, some nobody's comment is going viral.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, so we do live in it and get attributed
to people who fast forward the tweet.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Right, so toast, After you write something online, especially something bad,
count to ten and then if you still want to
send it. Count to ten again and repeat that like
one hundred and fifty times and then see if you
still want to send it.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I agree with you. I think Donald Trump went to
President Trump went too far in that post. But I'm
going to give an example of somebody who did not
go far enough. And to me, that is the Province
police at Brown University, you know, which was the scene
of a horrific shooting over the over the weekend. Too
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dead and nine people wounded when a gunman shot up
an economic Exam review class and uh and then just
walked out, kind of like walk down the street. Cut
number twenty six.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Lose promise. Please hands, hands.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Hands, hants, tants, hands, everybody get your hands, hands, hands, hands, hants.
Speaker 9 (11:47):
Hands, just keep your hands up for us.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh excuse, there's something going on for here to help you.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Now, they I was.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
If you're watching the video of that, you know there's
students huddled on the floor of this classroom. They don't
know what that banging is. They don't know if it's
a gun, because there's been a gun and shooting people up.
They don't know if the police turned out to be
the police, and the relief on their faces. You know,
they could have made them stand there for four hours
or their hands in there. They didn't care. They were
just so happy to see them that they were being
(12:17):
rescued from a scene of a shooting. But they arrested.
The Providence police then went and arrested They brought him
in quote as a person of interest interest and ask
Richard Jewel from the Atlanta bombing of the Olympics, how
that goes. Once your a person of interest, your reputation
is usually destroyed. And they arrested the wrong guy, and
(12:39):
then they went on the back foot and their next
couple of press conferences were all about how don't hold
them responsible for basically arresting the wrong guy. This is
Providence Mayor Brett Smiley cut Ten.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Our investigation into this horrific act remains ongoing. It has
been ongoing, and I know there's been some frustration from
members of the community and others about the language that
we've been using about the person of interest and such,
and that speaks to directly the fact that this investigation
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was and continues ongoing, and we will continue to endeavor
to not confirm any information that is not yet confirmable.
And that is how we can best be transparent with
all the members of our community, to share the best information.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
That we have.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Now, this looked like a bigger bleep up than you
can imagine because the witnesses the students from the classroom.
First of all, it was a class taught by a
Jewish professor who was not there that Dave the Review
had sent a teaching assistant instead. But the witnesses in
the classroom said that the shooter said a la akbar,
ala hu akbar before the shooting started. And then the
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police put out a picture of a guy that's name
is Ericson from Wisconsin, I mean, and looks about as
Dutch as you can possibly get. And that's somebody who's
liable to be yelling a la akbar. And my first
thought was, really he's a because there are a lot
of other things going on in the world that show
that jihadis had picked that yeat, that picked Sunday as
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the day to do coordinated attacks in various places. Some
were foiled before they started, some were not foiled, and
Bondai Beach in Australia was not foiled, and neither was
the shooting in Brown. Now nobody knows for sure that
they're connected, but it's a very strange coincidence that all
these happened. These things happen at the same time. So
you see this picture of this Dutch guy and you're like, huh,
(14:36):
that's interesting. And they took forever, you know, to say
maybe it's not the real guy, and that's why you
then have the mayor. You then have the Attorney General
of Rhode Island, Peter Narona, coming out and saying, hey,
you know, we chase the leads down. That's our job.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Cut twelve A.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Collectively, the team developed leads in a number of areas.
One was chased to ground.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
It led to the to.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
Us detaining a person of interest. So those words and
how we choose those words when we're talking about an
investigation matter, and what it means here is that certainly
there was some degree of evidence that pointed to this individual,
but that evidence needed to be corroborated and confirmed, and
over the last twenty four hours leading into a just
(15:30):
very very recently, that evidence now points in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Turns out there was never any evidence towards this guy.
They just and the while they were busy chasing down
this guy who had no connection whatsoever to what was
going on. Time is a wasting.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
The real guy's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
And then it was not for oh my god, a
day later that they finally released video of the person
who actually might be the shooter. And the only reason
why they were able to do that because it was
the fact that despite the fact that Brown University has
(16:11):
billions of dollars of endowments, and they have some cameras
around the outside of the building that was unlocked by
the way during an exam period, so anybody that's the
public could walk in, and there were cameras inside the building,
none of those were released. Brown did not release any
of the video that was from the campus and which
(16:34):
is interesting to me and so, but what they ended
up doing is having to go around collecting ring doorbell
camera photographs from houses in the neighborhood to get it
around the time of the shooter to get this, and
they do have video of the shooter walking away. It's
very hard and very grainy to see because they're not
high quality cameras because they're ring doorbell cameras that are
(16:57):
from the houses. Despite the fact that Brown is with
cameras and there were cameras inside and outside the university
wasn't releasing any of these of these of this film,
and this made a lot of criticism come the way
of the university president pax what's her name, Paxon, Yeah,
(17:19):
I believe her name is Paxon, the president of the
Brown University, President Christina Paxson.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And she.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Got up there and at a time we were worried
about people in the hospital finding the shooter. To her dad, now,
I mean, all this is happening, She's like, don't blame
me or Brown for the fact we didn't release the
videos earlier cut number fourteen.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
The primary point that I wanted to address before we
get to questions is that Brown is deeply committed to
the safety and security and wellbeing of our community, and
I've been deeply saddened to see people questioning that. We
understand that as time goes on, there is maybe a
naw instinct to assigned responsibility for a tragic event like this.
(18:04):
Anxiety in fear is very natural, but the shooter is responsible.
Horrific gun violence took the lives of these students and
hospitalized others, and it's deeply sad and tragic that schools
across the country are targets of violence.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Brown is no exception.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, my issue here is one. I agree with her.
The shooter is responsible, but Brown made it easy for
the shooter. The building wasn't locked. The guy could just
walk in, you know. They didn't turn the video over
within you know, for days. So that and even then,
we still haven't seen the Brown University video. We've only
seen the ring camp videos.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
I still don't.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
And she's more concerned with pointing blame herself than she
is about anything else.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Here two things, and one is the video? And why
aren't they releasing it? Any of it? I mean, because,
as you pointed out, Brown has a gazillion cameras, as
do many college campuses and everything else. Are they afraid
that somebody's going to recognize the shooter? I mean, what
I don't get it isn't the whole point. Look, the
whole point at this point is to try to find
(19:10):
this person. One because they did this horrible thing, but
two to stop them from maybe doing this horrible thing
again somewhere else. That's always why you want to get
a criminal off the street is because of what they
did and what you worry they might do. So why
not release every picture you have, well, there might be
a picture of someone we don't want to be put up. Listen,
we got to catch these idiots, I mean, and I know, Look,
(19:32):
one of the things about catching criminals is it's sometimes
it's very easy. Right you walk in and there's the criminal,
take them into custody. Sometimes it isn't. I mean, the
marathon bombing took a long time to find those two people.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That actually didn't take a long time to identify them.
They were identified, They had pictures everywhere, they had cameras right.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Off on the.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They had identified within a day.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
We win a day, correct, And so if Brown released
more videos, we might not catch him in a day,
but we might identify him in a day. And that
makes no kidden if you know who he is where
he is, because then you know right now even his
best friend might not know it's him unless he told him.
So if you say, hey, it's Joe Blow, Joe Blow's
mother might be like, well, Joe Blow's sitting in my
(20:13):
kitchen table right now you talk to Yeah, so it's that.
But maybe it's too early to say this, but I
gotta say it now before everybody else does. And then
I look like I would just jumping on the bandwagon.
She said something that you agreed with, and I agreed with. Right,
the person, this guy, whoever did this, is the person
is responsible. Very weird because what I might have expected
(20:36):
and maybe this guy happened.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, why this listen, I big admission the mass slip
for a second.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yes, look, she's absolutely right, but now she never gets
to go back on that the guy is responsible. And
and by the way, while we're on the topic, and
I don't want to get off topic too far, but
I'm going to anyway. So all these anti gun people
and I get it. Look, shootings are terrible and people
nobody should be shot, and blah blah blah blah blah.
But here's the thing, Right, Rob Bryner was a liberal
(21:06):
anti gun guy. How did he get killed? Not with
a gun? Right? So, so do we start banning knives
or does this prove And Brown University's president said it
does this prove that it isn't the weapon, it's the
person with it. So we've got to start, you know,
stop being you know all you know, one sided. Oh,
(21:26):
it's the guns that kill people. What about knives? Well,
knives are good for cutting steak and we should keep
those around. No, you can kill someone with anything.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I know.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Guns are easier because you can have twenty five bullets
and just go as opposed to what are you gonna do?
Throw twenty five knives? But I get it. Guns are
more dangerous per se, but you still can kill somebody
if you suffocate them with a pillowcase. So it's the person,
and I agree with the Brown University president as did you.
(21:54):
The person is to blame let's circle that make T
shirts and move on with our lives.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Then well as angry as I am with President Paxton
about being more concerned with making sure nobody blames her
for something that she is partially responsible for, there is
there is a bigger fly in the ointment in the
response to the Brown shooter, and that.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Would be the Keystone Cups.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Providence Police Chief Oscar Perez, otherwise known as the Keystone
Cups or the Gang that Shouldn't Shoot straight leader of
I want to give you an example of what we
have here With Chief Perez. A reporter asked him why
FBI files have, why the FBI has released different videos
(22:41):
than the Providence Police have, and whether that means there
are other videos we need to see cut fifteen the
FBI MP when I'm.
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Moving online, look like they were releasing separate videos at
separate times.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Are gust coordinating or a hard Well, you're going to
understand that a lot of people upstairs.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
The general stated area and when trying to ensure.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That we do this right job and collect the events
and that we need and we want to make sure
that everybody has the especially you guys in the pulfic funding,
don't want to make sure that the community save will
involved and stay confident in.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
The work that we're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, so I want to remind everybody. The question was
are you working with the FBI because you're releasing different videos.
His response is, it's a big job and public safety
is our primary concern. That he has not even close
to assemblance of an answer for that question. Doesn't even
touch it, tangent, they're not even the same galaxy his
response and the question so But oddly enough, that was
(23:39):
not the worst moment from his press conference. Another reporter
asked why there are no videos? Very rational question. Why
there are no videos from inside the building because the
place is covered with cameras inside the building. Why are
we only getting these ring door cameras that are grainy
and hard to see. If the purpose is to id
(24:01):
this guy and help track him down, very rational, reasonable question.
Listen to the response cut sixteen bras inside and outside
the engineering buildings, you are those working at all, and
so why so close to you?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
So the video that we choun came from inside the building,
and that's all we had at the moment.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
That was so we had at this.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Moment, of course, though certainly it's from the outside of
the film.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
So do you have video works engineering both inside and outside?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm sorry, just outside, that's all we had, Not inside,
I'm sorry, just outside.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
The building those So that was the outside of the
building we re released that.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Let me get this straight. There it was the inside,
outside of the inside building.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, And here's the thing, it wasn't even outside the building.
It was the chime door cameras were released, which was
not outside the building. It was in the neighborhood down
the street. So neither outside the building, nor the inside
or outside videos from the building have been released, but
outside videos have been released from the door chime cameras.
And meanwhile, this was so confusing. It's so bad that
(25:12):
the Rhode Island Attorney General there, Peter Narona literally took
his arm and moved the police chief away from the
microphone and jumped in here cut sixteen A.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Let me just let me just jump here and clarify it. Okay,
So there is you know, for those that you've been
with us before, and I understand not all of you
have been. There is video inside the building. There are
cameras inside the building. What we have released to you
are videos of this person of interest. So I want
to be clear because later on there may be other
(25:45):
videos they can release in the course of a prosecution,
likely will be at some point. They show things like
chaos after the shooting. What they don't show is the
is this person of interest? And so that's why we
haven't released.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
That those videos.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, do you understand, Well, I understand what he's saying,
but I don't understand why he said what he's saying.
If that makes any sense. I get what he's trying
to say.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You're saying, there are videos, but we're not giving them.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Well, but then he also said, and the person of
interest isn't in those videos? What does that mean? Yeah?
I don't know, because I look, here's the one thing
we know for sure, Okay, guaranteed, absolutely, without fail. I
don't know if the guy they show in these pictures
walking down the street was the shooter, but I know this,
whoever did the shooting was inside the building and should
(26:32):
have been caught on camera somewhere. Yeah, So forget the
ring doorbells. I mean, they're fine if that is the
guy or the guy they're looking for. Fine, But listen
inside Brown the building, inside that whole building, whatever his
path was, and even outside that building going to or
coming from the shooter, was there. Every other picture, we
(26:53):
don't here's a person there, here's the shoot. How about this,
here's the damn guy. We got a picture of him
right here with a gun in his hand. I don't understand.
It seems like I don't know who's driving the ship
or whether anybody. And look I'm not I'm the police
expert or anything, but we know one hundred percent the
shooter was in the building. Give me the videos from
(27:13):
inside the building, and I can almost assure you that
we will see a picture of the person who pulled
the trigger. I don't guests.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think that's eminently rational and reasonable, as was the question.
But this is the point the Chief of Police of Providence.
Along with all of the gaggle that was up there
are the gang that couldn't shoot straight. It's like they
just even when they're handed a softball question by the press,
they bleep it up. And here's what's happened. Not only
(27:45):
has their incompetence here or their inability to get their
bleep together allowed a shooter to still be free, not
even identified four days at the time of recording this
after the after the incident, but it's also spawning conspiracy theories,
(28:06):
which will also muddy the water. But in this case,
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but in this case
they're becoming more reasonable to me because here's the thing.
So you have the question becomes and I want everybody
to think about this question, what is going on here?
Is it pure in competence or is it a cover
(28:29):
up that is exacerbating incompetence. That's the question. That's actually
what's happening here. Because you have this huge mess that's
created by and he has to decide he meeting the
chief of police, has to decide what information to keep
from the public and what not to keep from the public.
Now every case has information kept from the public for
(28:53):
prosecutorial purposes or to identify somebody. So say you let
some of the information out to help identify the perpetrator,
and then you know you have the right perpetrator if
he has the right information that has not been made public.
So there's reasons to keep some It looks like there
is more information being kept from the public here than
(29:16):
just that type of information. For instance, they refuse, refuse
to explain regarding about what the uh what the shooter
yelled in the classroom and Oscar Press Junior was asked
about what was asked in the classroom, and we have
heard from witnesses what it was. It was ala huakbar,
(29:39):
which is a typical well it's not. It's actually a
typical kind of war cry from It is a radicalized
Islamis Jihadis. They will say that before they open fire.
And people in the classroom and in the area said
that that's what they heard. So Press wanted to get
confirmation from Chief paris Us and this is what happened.
(30:01):
Cut eleven is a report shooter.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yelled something right before a.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Shot came in.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Could you tell us what that what that was?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, part of the investigation, John and Wilji the Oason.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I asked that though is for instance, like with the
uniformber his brother recognized the writing, so is it it's
possible a friend or family member might recognize if the
person said something.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That was significant. Correct, Why you don't other than the
nine millimetre?
Speaker 11 (30:33):
Is there anything else inside that auditorium that you could
tell us?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Now that's correct?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That listen, Like I said, earlier, investigations will bring us
to evidence that we need to collect in order to
be able to prosecute that what with that being said,
With that being said, we're going to continue to collect evidence.
And if he leads us to something to that nature,
that's going to be extremely helpful for us to identify somebody,
will be the first ones to put it out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
He want answer the question, He want to tell them
what it is. He goes, because we don't want to
share that information. Okay, but it can identify somebody. Public
safety is are bigger. I mean, it's just he won't
answer it. So the reporter didn't give up. Eleven A
Alex John's question, did the suspect yell?
Speaker 6 (31:17):
Life has been reported in some of rodeo is reporting,
But did he yell.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
In the human classroom, and how valuable have witnessed statements
been from those who survived.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Listen, my heart goes out to the victims, he goes
out to the families, and I'll tell you that there
their cooperation has been extremely helpful and that without being said,
we'll continue and I'm going to respect the fact.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
That and I hope that they get better. In my
heart and soul goes out to them.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
So that's something that's something that we're investigating.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
We took statements and we have to confirm that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So there are so many it's not like there were
no witnesses. There were so many witnesses who said what
he said. So here, here's the thing. This is why
it's spawning conspiracy theorists. So because that would move it
from or the whole theory is they're putting this wallllet
and not sharing information because they don't want people to
think that this was part of the Jihattest terrorist attacks
(32:10):
that happened on Sunday. They want for people to think
it's separate. And that's that's what's going on. Why because
at the same time they don't want you know, they're
trying to keep this from going into the category of
Islamic terrorism. Why, I don't know, because if it is,
I think people need to know and be on their guard.
But because at the same time it was happening at
Brown University, we had the attacks, there were multiple attacks
(32:35):
happening around the world. President Trump actually had to come
out and deal with it instead of going right into
a you know, a Christmas thing for kids. Cut number three.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Before we begin, however, I want to just pay my
respects to the people. Unfortunately two are no longer with
us Brown University. Nine injured and two down on us
right now from heaven. And likewise, in Australia, as you know,
(33:06):
that was a terrible attack. Eleven did, twenty nine badly wounded,
and that was an anti Semitic attack obviously, And I
just want to pay my respects to everybody, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I mean it's just like so, there was that attack,
there was a foiled attack in la that happened on
the same day. There was an attack at a Christmas
market in Amsterdam. There was a foiled attack at a
Germany Christmas market. And there was a shooting in New
York City that looks like it probably was terrorist related
as well.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
So this is what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
So what are they trying to hide? Because it looks
very much like this was part of that going after
a Jewish professor's class who happened to not be there.
That is what happens when you have such incompetent leadership
and the police level. First of all, the crime doesn't
get solved, and secondly, people begin to think it can't
(34:03):
be that they're that stupid ken it. I mean, is
it they're trying to hide something? Are they really that incompetent?
This is what the people have bread, And that becomes
a question. Is there a worldwide Jihattist movement to increase
the caliphate? Basically? Is that what's happening now? And you know,
hiding a shooting at Brown University does not help assuage
(34:28):
that question, well, of.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Any of these shootings, right, and we'll focus on Brown
because we had and I don't know why the person
did it. We don't even know who they are. We
don't even know what they said because they won't even
tell us what they said, even though people told the
police what they said. He said. So anyway, but here's
the thing, I don't know if there's a worldwide jie
hottist thing going on everywhere. But if there is, if
(34:52):
there is this, and they're not telling a lot of
people at a time, let's be honest about it. I
mean again, people in Australia.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
What I'm I'm saying is I understand they kill fifteen,
they're fifteen. I mean they would like to kill a
million at a time, is what I'm saying. Their goal
is it to kill time? Got it? I got no,
I get it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying
is this, here's the problem for Brown if this is
the case, right, and you can put this on any
of the places Australia, anywhere else, whatever. But they've already
said that's terrorists. If you admit that a jie hottist
(35:26):
walked on to the campus of Brown University in Providence,
Rhode Island, and walked into a building and shot a
ton of people, killing two of them Injuring nine and eight,
and it's still on the loose. What you're basically telling
the world, or at least the people in nobody's say.
Nobody's saying you can do a shopping mall, you can't
go to the church, you can't go to the school,
(35:47):
you can't go.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
So yeah, we already know that this is not new information.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
No, no, no, no, we know that. But I mean
sometimes there are people who don't want the public at
large to think, let's see if we can no tell
them that they're in dangerous So, I mean, I get
what you're saying. But if they come out and say
this was a terrorist attack by and I says Jackweed
bowly crap on the campus of Brown University and promdence
aroundand that would happen anywhere. And now you've got to listen.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It seems to have happened in the street behind my
house this past week.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I know where you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So yeah, that's literally my back of my building is
on that street, about fifty feet from where an MIT
professor Jewish professor was murdered this week.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Plus the last thing any school once, I would think,
is all of a sudden, a thousand students unenrolling from
the school because their parents say, you're not safe, get
out of there, You're you're not going there anymore. So agree,
I don't know, you know what the whole world's gone to.
As I mentioned before, hell and a hand basket thing
is we just need a bigger hand basket.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, I think that's true. We're going to end this
week with a bidenism just because I can and I've
missed them, so and we had one because Joe Biden
has actually popped his head up a couple of times
in the last couple of weeks. In this particular case,
he's added Eagles game and he's speaking to a man
with a camera saying how the Eagles are going to
win the Super Bowl again this year, and then mumbles
(37:06):
we I don't know what he's mumbling. Cut twenty five birds.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Go Birds Away?
Speaker 9 (37:15):
How cool did de lead her today?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
You gotta get him back.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I really don't know what happened, what he said. I'm
just guessing at a lot of it. But Joe, I've
missed you. What can I say? So if you missed Joe,
you can let us. We can only do Biden and
Defe's you know, up and walking, and he hasn't been lately.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Maybe he was trying to trying to order a couple
of hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
In the confession guy, I agree. Thanks everybody for listening
this week. We upload a new episode every single Monday,
so check back next week and see what new offerings
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