May 2, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode of On The Go with Jacob and James, the hosts engage in a candid conversation about Ben Affleck's complex relationship with his role as Batman. Jacob shares insights from a revealing GQ interview where Affleck reflects on his time in the iconic role, discussing the struggles he faced both personally and professionally. They delve into the challenges of balancing studio expectations with his own vision for the character, highlighting the stark contrast between Zack Snyder's darker portrayal and the studio's mixed directives. James adds to the discussion by examining how Affleck's personal battles with addiction and divorce impacted his performance and overall enjoyment of the role. As they navigate through the intricacies of the DC universe and the varying fan reactions, the duo emphasizes the importance of understanding the human side of actors behind the characters they portray. With a blend of humor and heartfelt commentary, this episode offers a thoughtful exploration of the pressures faced by actors in the spotlight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I feel so damn good.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I got a phoner.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Released a new episode today.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Listen to it.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
My boner, What do you have to say about Benfla?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So, you know, he did like a GQ interview for uh,
you know, because he has a I think it was
GQ one of the magazine uh famous magazine covers, and
he did like an interview and he was talking about
his time as playing Batman. He was very self self
aware and talked about you know, he enjoyed the role,
but he how can I say this? He enjoyed it,
(00:41):
but didn't enjoy it. He came to work every day,
did his job, but went home and had a toxic life.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well then d C, they were really pushing for him
to finish that like a solo movie, because he was
gonna do a solo Batman film. I think he was
writing the script he was supposed to rank and they
were like really pushing him to do it quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, he was pushing to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
But you know, also too, in between that, he was
saying that he was not very happy in his life. Yeah,
he was dealing with alkalo, you know, alcoholism, you know,
dealing with divorce, with with Jennifer gardner Man. He was
dealing with a lot, and it was a very self
reflective interview and I really enjoyed reading it. And you know,
he said, at first he liked it, he liked playing Batman,
(01:25):
but then when his son saw Batman and he saw
how scary he looked, and he saw that was very adult.
And that's when Ben Fleck was like, oh, I got
a problem. He got a problem because the studios had
to It was two different mindsets. Zack Snyder had his
way when he how he wanted to do Batman in
Justice League, and the studios had their different way how
(01:47):
they wanted to do DC and Justice League.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Right, you know, that's that's what a problem went in at.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's where the problem went in at and it was
just a disaster. And Ben Affleck didn't enjoy his time
because he just kind of pretty much did the whole
clock in munch out. You know, didn't go out with
no parties, no after parties, none of that crap.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I don't want to do anything. I just want to
do this, get it over with.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, I just want to fulfill my contract. Get me
out of here.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And you know, like see, like he said, once he
saw that his son didn't enjoy it as much. Then
that's when he was like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That makes sense though, because like you look at Batman v. Superman, dude,
that that version of Batman is so dark and aggressive
and like he was murdering people, and you know, I know,
I think, I know the older crowd was I don't mean, oh,
I don't know, because I feel like it was received okay, yeah,
very mixed, very very mixed on how he felt because
(02:38):
like Batman's won rules, he doesn't murder people. But then
you watch this movie and you can you can kind
of explain it yourself where he's like, all right, obviously
something bad happened to Robin. This guy's been through a
lot of stuff. This is like Dark Knight Returns kind
of version of Batman. So maybe this is just an
older version of Batman who stopped caring about murder.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Or whatever, which is fine, which is right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But then you backpedal it in the next couple of movies,
right because by the time Justice League comes out, he's like,
I don't murder people, in the audience is like, we've
seen you kill like four people.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It was this Warner World that's trying to pivot Yeah,
because also too, this is part of this is apart
from the ben AFFLECKX.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they couldn't sell any merchandise.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Dude, Yeah no, I kind of remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, they wasn't selling anything.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That Man be Superman was received not not great, not poorly,
but not great either.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They didn't make their money batter because they couldn't sell
any toys, They couldn't sell any tolls, They couldn't sell
any pillows and stuff like that because it was too dark. Yeah,
so they lost a lot in the investment pool as well.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And that's kind of wild when when you look at
like the Zack Snyder fans for the Snyder Verse version
of the Justice League and all that stuff, it's like
how feverishly they are over it. And it's like, I mean,
I understand like caring about a like a movie franchise,
but you do have to recognize, like this wasn't for everybody,
Like that's why that's why this didn't work out so well.
(04:02):
And DC also just kind of they let each director
do whatever they want it yep, versus where Marvel was like, hey,
here's our outline at least up until endgame, right, You're like,
here's our outline. Here's where it needs to connect. Do this, this,
and this. DC was like, as long as it gets
to this point, you can do whatever you want, but
you have to have like this name drop or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Looking at Jam's gun, superman, I know I can already
tell you this is not gonna be for everybody either. No,
it's not gonna be for everybody because it's you know,
I saw the merchandise. There's a lot more light. It's
very hopeful.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know what that that's comic book movies in general.
There hasn't been a comic comic book movie where everybody
across the board is like this, this was my movie.
I mean, people are some people are gonna not like it,
some people will. That's that's the territory that comic book
movies have.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's very much true.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was just I was just very reflective. I really
enjoyed reading that article. I mean reading that little article
Ben reffleckt it made me like could even more. He
didn't trash the movie. He didn't say Zack Snyder was trash.
He didn't say Warner Brothers was trash. He took a
very neutral stance. And here he took more accountability of
his own self.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We're is good.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He took acountability of the fact that he grasped he
didn't grasp the fact of how to really do Batman, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
He was like, I like Batman, and I wrote Batman
a certain way, but the way I wrote it just
didn't didn't work out the way I wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, like he didn't know how to really do Batman.
You know, anybody can play Batman, but just how to
do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Which is wild because you would think, like there's so
much Batman material out there to study. But you know,
sometimes you think you know how a character is and
then you start writing it yourself and you're like, oh,
actually I don't. I don't know anything about this character.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And also also doesn't helped too that you're dealing with
a personal's life at home, divorce and stuff for that nature.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, exactly, you got stuff going out at home, and
then DC is pushing you and pushing you to like
finish the script.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hey, you playing he's also playing a role playing the character.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, you're playing a character who's already depressed and has
alcohol issues, and you're dealing with alcohol issues your own self.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then not to mention you're dealing with all the
scrutiny from the internet, you know what I mean, like
you all the toxic fans out there who are just
like coming at you every day.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, exactly. So it's you know, it's not fun on
either side. So I really enjoyed the article. That's how
it suggested, and get some time to read it. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, that sounds cool. I'm definitely gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, because you know he has that movie coming out there,
Accounting All the Accountant too, yeaccount too. Yeah, yeah, all
the Accounting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No, I haven't seen The Accountant.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This is really good. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's like a gangster kind of film, right, he's working
for a mob or something crime drama.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
No, No, it's more like it's like an action it's
like as like as burgers. Oh okay, and he gets
a kick ass dude. He has a certain way of
how you do things, and you know, he separates his
life from you know, how he does things, and uh,
he's really really good in man, it's really really good movie.
Sug just watched that too, and John, I know it's
(07:10):
a classic.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I know the first one like was a classic when
it came out and sort of like very very popular movie. So, yeah,
it's been a while since the first one, hasn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I could be wrong, Like remember when Equalizer three
came out, Yeah, with Denzel and I was like, oh,
Equalizer three and like or no, I think it was
Equalizer too. When Equalizer two came out, I was like, Oh,
they're finally doing a sequel to this because I didn't
realize Equalizer is like a newer movie. I thought it
had been out for years.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's fairly new.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's how I feel about the account, Like it feels
like it's been out for years. But I'm gonna find
out it came out like four years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't know if it's online the first one. It
probably is like on Peacock or something.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it probably a similar to B two B's Got.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Two Gems, Yeah two V or Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I'll go find it. I'll try to watch it
all my free time.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, man, you should, you should and watch it. Read
that article, man, because I was reading after he after
he did that in an article. Of course, there's Zack
Snyder bros.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh they jumped all over it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, well they couldn't couldn't look past their own bias.
And I see he's trash in DC. He's trashing trash
and warn brother, that's it. Uh, you clearly didn't read
this all the way.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, man, Sometimes sometimes online reactors are just the worst.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Or you clearly just didn't care about this man's well
being as a human being, or you just cared you
care more about him playing Batman, then you do his
well being as a human and have a healthy life
for the for the you know, the duration of his
time on his earth. Yeah, because that's what it's about.
It's about his human life.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, And he's like, I'm a human being and I
was suffering these things, and I'm going to work every
day writing Batman.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, writing and playing a role that it's clearly.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm playing what it's supposed to be a cartoon character.
But I wrote him as this hardcore dude. It affected
my son, and it was probably a reflection on what
was happen to me like in real life.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like and all you guys can see is that he's
tracks from DC and Wanner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's all you got out of it. That's that's
a shame.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was like what that's it is. But people podcasts,
I spend the narrative.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, man, you gotta you gonna watch out sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The look I told you this before. I only have
a couple of people I'll watch on the podcast. It's
not a lot. It's not a lot when it comes
to entertainment.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, my viewing pool is is very shallow as well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It's not my man Christian Harlowe, Joy, John Campia, Grays Randolph,
even though I get she gets on my nerves and time.
H uh. Koy Koy Real Rejects, Real Rejects is my favorite. Yeah,
coach double Toasted, you know Double Tot. I love those guys.
They all ate number one always.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, Koy is the best Coy general. I think, Butcher
his last name.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
People hate him because he's all he's so positive and yeah,
people hate him because he's always positive about everything.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
See I listened to. I listen to and I watch
the Weekly Planet and it's the YouTube channels Mister Sunday Movies,
but the podcast is Weekly Planet. It's like these two
Australian dudes and they cover movie news and they review
movies and all that stuff. But the way they do
it is like it's just straight. They're having fun with it, Like,
even if a movie is bad, they're still having fun
with it. So I like their banter and I can
(10:20):
agree with them. And then even if I do disagree
with them, it's not They're not bashing a movie with
anger and hatred, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, no, it's not. It's not hatred and that's what
you need. And Coy is like, Coy's not like that.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Koy is like, look, I'm positive about comic book movies
and movies in general because the life is already negative
as it is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
This is all art. It's all supposed to be fun.
It's supposed to be escapists like.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Now, and he will say like, hey, you know, he
will say like, hey, this movie doesn't work for me.
May it may work for you, but it doesn't work
for me. Now, He'll he'll go that far, but he
won't just just go score to Earth like these and
gamers like these Gamers is the worst for for a
podcast that says they don't believe in politicals so stiff
like their politics, but you guys are sure putting off
your conservative politics on everything.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Critical Drinker right here has also gotten very bad over
the years.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Nerd rama too, nerdma.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, his profile pick is the little glasses with the
little nerd thing on there. Yeah, he's gotten pretty bad too.
He's he's very conservative about his views. And when I
say conservative, not conservative of just being just just being
a deuced bag. Tyrone Magnu is like that too.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh man, he got like that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, you know him too, Tyron Magnus.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah. Well he's a big reactory dude, right like y Yeah, man,
I think he was one of the original reacting reaction
people that came out after the Fine Brothers and then
the Fine Brothers tried to sue him.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, man, he's like that. He's he won't. He turned
to the dark side.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Man. You know who I still like to watch is
a nostalgia critic.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The size of critical assist. He's still good. He's still good.
I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, he's so funny. And again, it's one of those
things where it's like he's playing a character, so it's
all kind of a bit so even when he does,
like bash a movie, it's it's the character and not
like his opinion, you know what I mean. There's a
level of silliness there that's that works.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man, I hate that with Tyrone Magnis. He just sold
out for that money. Man sold athlete. He's a grifter.
He's a grifter.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what happens. Sometimes sometimes the money is more important
than the content. I suppose because he.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Never was like this back in the day. None of
his kindness, hint was like this back in the day.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And then he started getting to this point where as
soon as he started saying woke, so as soon as
he started saying things were too wolke, I said, oh many.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Once, once they started co opting that word, you know
you're done, I.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Said, come on, Tyrone. Tyrone was never like this. Tyrone
Magnis was never like this. He's just conservative douchebag. Now
he's a conservative douchebag. It's just conservative. He's a pinhead
like he bashes everything. He hates everything Marvel, he hates
everything that James Gunn is doing with DC. He said,
Souperman is gonna be trash. They didn't give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know what's like, Man, he's gonna say it's trash.
He's still gonna be able to see it, and he'll
probably be able to see it for free, you know
what I mean? Because he's big enough to where he
gets like the social like like the free screenings, the
pre screening, so he can like do his reviews ahead
of time. So like you're gonna sit there and trash DC,
but then you're gonna take the free tickets and go
see the movie, and then you're gonna come back and
you're still get to bitch about it exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh that's a good point. That's that's a really really
good point, because that's how all this works. You know,
that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
This guy's not paying for these tickets at this point.
He's been around for far too long to actually pay
money to the theaters. He's getting the pre screening crap.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That really hurt me. Man, when I saw that, Like,
I don't follow him, follow him on YouTube, I said.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I follow sad days when you got to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, he had a lot of fan base that
dropped off because his political views and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And I was just like, man, when did this happen?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Like, he was never like this. As soon as he
said Disney was too, I said, ah, well that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's such a lazy review or reaction, you know what
I mean. It's such a lazy thing to say, like
all Disney's woke. You look at Disney over the past, like,
however many years they've always been quote unquote woke. Even comics,
like someone made the comment like comic books have always
been socially progressive, like forever, forever, even before x Ben,
(14:22):
it's always been very much socially like progressive. That's the
whole point behind superheroes. They're sticking up for the group
of people who can't stick.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Up for them for themselves. Yeah, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's always been there.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
A lot of times. All of these guys don't believe
what they're saying. They're just doing it for the money. Now,
they're just saying crap because it's more easy to be
negative than to be positive, which is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Which is horrible, not horrible, it's it's just a shame.
It's it's upsetting and it's a shame to like that's
what sells.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Gamers man decent games like that. These games I missed.
I followed them a long time ago. I felt I
followed them like in twenty eighteen or nineteen, that's crazy
one of those years. Because they're they're really toxic, they're
really toxic. Oh man, don't never follow it. If you
see a green and you see that some eyes green eyes,
and it says DC gamers don't follow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And you know what, I feel like, I feel like
a bunch of these people their frame of reference end
it in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, yep,
like right around Tropic Thunder, because like they like, Tropic
Thunder comes up a lot in some of these circles
I see. They're like, oh, yeah, Tropic Thunder was hilarious.
It's like that's that's the line. That's where they stopped
like really watching anything new, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They try to use Tropic Thunder as a reference. But
as I see, this is what the talking about, how
I said, No, it's a little bigger than that. It's
a little bit deeper than that. Yeah, don't just try
to co opt that movie and try to use it
as your reference. Deeper than that, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It just seems like the early two thousands was kind
of like that's where their media literacy ends, you know.
That's that's that's it. That's like the glory days for them, yep.
Or or that's that's what they sell anyway. I don't know,
like behind closed doors, who knows.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But something totally different, Jacob Walker, I can tell you
that one. Like Don Magnus his numbers right now on YouTube.
Let me see this is his last numbers on YouTube. God,
I hate to even go to his page.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The big thing is the hate watching, because you know,
there's a certain amount of people who just hate watch them.
And that's also a problem, right because if, like, if
you don't like someone, if you really don't agree with
the content, just don't give them the time of day.
I don't sit there and hate watch it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like his girlfriend, she doesn't hate everything. His girlfriend doesn't
hate nothing at all. You know, she gives a valid
opinion about something, but she doesn't use the term. She's
not anti woke or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So that that's your selling point, right, be like, all right, Tyrone,
he's an angry one, but the girlfriend is the more
level headed one. So you're like, oh, I can watch
Tyrone and like watch his angry takes and I watch
her level head of takes, and then that's that's why
I form my opinion from those two takes. But that's
how they're set how they're doing it. That's that's the
griff right there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Two point oh two millions stroppers. Dang. And then he said,
let's see his last reaction video new Superman test screening
results that I know we're all negatives and he has
seventy two point yeah, seventy two kws on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You can just say, you know what I mean, that's
the problem. It's like, that's the problem with like these
independent media journalist types is like you can just say whatever.
There's no journalistic integrity behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yesterday's video, these new Superman promo picks are terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, I like, I yeah, it's like, all right, I guess,
but it works. It works. Unfortunately it works, but also
other things work, so it's not it's not all or not.
My friend, every there's a space for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's unfortunate. Man, I just really like that guy.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That is a shame r ap Tye. He's dead to us.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Oh yeah, he said he's dead to us. Man, he's
dead to me. I'm mom, I'm good, been so alive.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Listen to those guys talk about anything and everything with
my bold bold my mother, my.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Mother keep the good work and being my boner.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Always gonna listen to you guys, Why haven't you your mother's,
your sister, your grandma tell you?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Damn camera said, what's up? Hit me up, cam can Tommy,
I'll be wanting to get it from you. Let's talk
to the Benger home, but this time to being goo
caught all night. Dam came know what I mean and
Sae boon out
I feel so damn good.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I got a phoner.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Released a new episode today.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Listen to it.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
My boner, What do you have to say about Benfla?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
So, you know, he did like a GQ interview for uh,
you know, because he has a I think it was
GQ one of the magazine uh famous magazine covers, and
he did like an interview and he was talking about
his time as playing Batman. He was very self self
aware and talked about you know, he enjoyed the role,
but he how can I say this? He enjoyed it,
(00:41):
but didn't enjoy it. He came to work every day,
did his job, but went home and had a toxic life.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well then d C, they were really pushing for him
to finish that like a solo movie, because he was
gonna do a solo Batman film. I think he was
writing the script he was supposed to rank and they
were like really pushing him to do it quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, he was pushing to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
But you know, also too, in between that, he was
saying that he was not very happy in his life. Yeah,
he was dealing with alkalo, you know, alcoholism, you know,
dealing with divorce, with with Jennifer gardner Man. He was
dealing with a lot, and it was a very self
reflective interview and I really enjoyed reading it. And you know,
he said, at first he liked it, he liked playing Batman,
(01:25):
but then when his son saw Batman and he saw
how scary he looked, and he saw that was very adult.
And that's when Ben Fleck was like, oh, I got
a problem. He got a problem because the studios had
to It was two different mindsets. Zack Snyder had his
way when he how he wanted to do Batman in
Justice League, and the studios had their different way how
(01:47):
they wanted to do DC and Justice League.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Right, you know, that's that's what a problem went in at.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
That's where the problem went in at and it was
just a disaster. And Ben Affleck didn't enjoy his time
because he just kind of pretty much did the whole
clock in munch out. You know, didn't go out with
no parties, no after parties, none of that crap.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I don't want to do anything. I just want to
do this, get it over with.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, I just want to fulfill my contract. Get me
out of here.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And you know, like see, like he said, once he
saw that his son didn't enjoy it as much. Then
that's when he was like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That makes sense though, because like you look at Batman v. Superman, dude,
that that version of Batman is so dark and aggressive
and like he was murdering people, and you know, I know,
I think, I know the older crowd was I don't mean, oh,
I don't know, because I feel like it was received okay, yeah,
very mixed, very very mixed on how he felt because
(02:38):
like Batman's won rules, he doesn't murder people. But then
you watch this movie and you can you can kind
of explain it yourself where he's like, all right, obviously
something bad happened to Robin. This guy's been through a
lot of stuff. This is like Dark Knight Returns kind
of version of Batman. So maybe this is just an
older version of Batman who stopped caring about murder.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Or whatever, which is fine, which is right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But then you backpedal it in the next couple of movies,
right because by the time Justice League comes out, he's like,
I don't murder people, in the audience is like, we've
seen you kill like four people.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It was this Warner World that's trying to pivot Yeah,
because also too, this is part of this is apart
from the ben AFFLECKX.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, they couldn't sell any merchandise.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Dude, Yeah no, I kind of remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, they wasn't selling anything.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That Man be Superman was received not not great, not poorly,
but not great either.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They didn't make their money batter because they couldn't sell
any toys, They couldn't sell any tolls, They couldn't sell
any pillows and stuff like that because it was too dark. Yeah,
so they lost a lot in the investment pool as well.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And that's kind of wild when when you look at
like the Zack Snyder fans for the Snyder Verse version
of the Justice League and all that stuff, it's like
how feverishly they are over it. And it's like, I mean,
I understand like caring about a like a movie franchise,
but you do have to recognize, like this wasn't for everybody,
Like that's why that's why this didn't work out so well.
(04:02):
And DC also just kind of they let each director
do whatever they want it yep, versus where Marvel was like, hey,
here's our outline at least up until endgame, right, You're like,
here's our outline. Here's where it needs to connect. Do this, this,
and this. DC was like, as long as it gets
to this point, you can do whatever you want, but
you have to have like this name drop or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Looking at Jam's gun, superman, I know I can already
tell you this is not gonna be for everybody either. No,
it's not gonna be for everybody because it's you know,
I saw the merchandise. There's a lot more light. It's
very hopeful.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But you know what that that's comic book movies in general.
There hasn't been a comic comic book movie where everybody
across the board is like this, this was my movie.
I mean, people are some people are gonna not like it,
some people will. That's that's the territory that comic book
movies have.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That's very much true.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was just I was just very reflective. I really
enjoyed reading that article. I mean reading that little article
Ben reffleckt it made me like could even more. He
didn't trash the movie. He didn't say Zack Snyder was trash.
He didn't say Warner Brothers was trash. He took a
very neutral stance. And here he took more accountability of
his own self.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
We're is good.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He took acountability of the fact that he grasped he
didn't grasp the fact of how to really do Batman, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
He was like, I like Batman, and I wrote Batman
a certain way, but the way I wrote it just
didn't didn't work out the way I wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, like he didn't know how to really do Batman.
You know, anybody can play Batman, but just how to
do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Which is wild because you would think, like there's so
much Batman material out there to study. But you know,
sometimes you think you know how a character is and
then you start writing it yourself and you're like, oh,
actually I don't. I don't know anything about this character.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And also also doesn't helped too that you're dealing with
a personal's life at home, divorce and stuff for that nature.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, exactly, you got stuff going out at home, and
then DC is pushing you and pushing you to like
finish the script.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hey, you playing he's also playing a role playing the character.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, you're playing a character who's already depressed and has
alcohol issues, and you're dealing with alcohol issues your own self.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then not to mention you're dealing with all the
scrutiny from the internet, you know what I mean, like
you all the toxic fans out there who are just
like coming at you every day.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, exactly. So it's you know, it's not fun on
either side. So I really enjoyed the article. That's how
it suggested, and get some time to read it. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, that sounds cool. I'm definitely gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, because you know he has that movie coming out there,
Accounting All the Accountant too, yeaccount too. Yeah, yeah, all
the Accounting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
No, I haven't seen The Accountant.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
This is really good. It's really good.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's like a gangster kind of film, right, he's working
for a mob or something crime drama.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
No, No, it's more like it's like an action it's
like as like as burgers. Oh okay, and he gets
a kick ass dude. He has a certain way of
how you do things, and you know, he separates his
life from you know, how he does things, and uh,
he's really really good in man, it's really really good movie.
Sug just watched that too, and John, I know it's
(07:10):
a classic.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I know the first one like was a classic when
it came out and sort of like very very popular movie. So, yeah,
it's been a while since the first one, hasn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I could be wrong, Like remember when Equalizer three
came out, Yeah, with Denzel and I was like, oh,
Equalizer three and like or no, I think it was
Equalizer too. When Equalizer two came out, I was like, Oh,
they're finally doing a sequel to this because I didn't
realize Equalizer is like a newer movie. I thought it
had been out for years.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's fairly new.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's how I feel about the account, Like it feels
like it's been out for years. But I'm gonna find
out it came out like four years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I don't know if it's online the first one. It
probably is like on Peacock or something.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it probably a similar to B two B's Got.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Two Gems, Yeah two V or Netflix.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, I'll go find it. I'll try to watch it
all my free time.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, man, you should, you should and watch it. Read
that article, man, because I was reading after he after
he did that in an article. Of course, there's Zack
Snyder bros.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Oh they jumped all over it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, well they couldn't couldn't look past their own bias.
And I see he's trash in DC. He's trashing trash
and warn brother, that's it. Uh, you clearly didn't read
this all the way.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, man, Sometimes sometimes online reactors are just the worst.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Or you clearly just didn't care about this man's well
being as a human being, or you just cared you
care more about him playing Batman, then you do his
well being as a human and have a healthy life
for the for the you know, the duration of his
time on his earth. Yeah, because that's what it's about.
It's about his human life.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right, And he's like, I'm a human being and I
was suffering these things, and I'm going to work every
day writing Batman.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, writing and playing a role that it's clearly.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm playing what it's supposed to be a cartoon character.
But I wrote him as this hardcore dude. It affected
my son, and it was probably a reflection on what
was happen to me like in real life.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like and all you guys can see is that he's
tracks from DC and Wanner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's all you got out of it. That's that's
a shame.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was like what that's it is. But people podcasts,
I spend the narrative.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, man, you gotta you gonna watch out sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The look I told you this before. I only have
a couple of people I'll watch on the podcast. It's
not a lot. It's not a lot when it comes
to entertainment.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, my viewing pool is is very shallow as well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It's not my man Christian Harlowe, Joy, John Campia, Grays Randolph,
even though I get she gets on my nerves and time.
H uh. Koy Koy Real Rejects, Real Rejects is my favorite. Yeah,
coach double Toasted, you know Double Tot. I love those guys.
They all ate number one always.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, Koy is the best Coy general. I think, Butcher
his last name.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
People hate him because he's all he's so positive and yeah,
people hate him because he's always positive about everything.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
See I listened to. I listen to and I watch
the Weekly Planet and it's the YouTube channels Mister Sunday Movies,
but the podcast is Weekly Planet. It's like these two
Australian dudes and they cover movie news and they review
movies and all that stuff. But the way they do
it is like it's just straight. They're having fun with it, Like,
even if a movie is bad, they're still having fun
with it. So I like their banter and I can
(10:20):
agree with them. And then even if I do disagree
with them, it's not They're not bashing a movie with
anger and hatred, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, no, it's not. It's not hatred and that's what
you need. And Coy is like, Coy's not like that.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Koy is like, look, I'm positive about comic book movies
and movies in general because the life is already negative
as it is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
This is all art. It's all supposed to be fun.
It's supposed to be escapists like.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Now, and he will say like, hey, you know, he
will say like, hey, this movie doesn't work for me.
May it may work for you, but it doesn't work
for me. Now, He'll he'll go that far, but he
won't just just go score to Earth like these and
gamers like these Gamers is the worst for for a
podcast that says they don't believe in politicals so stiff
like their politics, but you guys are sure putting off
your conservative politics on everything.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Critical Drinker right here has also gotten very bad over
the years.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Nerd rama too, nerdma.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, his profile pick is the little glasses with the
little nerd thing on there. Yeah, he's gotten pretty bad too.
He's he's very conservative about his views. And when I
say conservative, not conservative of just being just just being
a deuced bag. Tyrone Magnu is like that too.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Oh man, he got like that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, you know him too, Tyron Magnus.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah. Well he's a big reactory dude, right like y Yeah, man,
I think he was one of the original reacting reaction
people that came out after the Fine Brothers and then
the Fine Brothers tried to sue him.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, man, he's like that. He's he won't. He turned
to the dark side.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Man. You know who I still like to watch is
a nostalgia critic.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The size of critical assist. He's still good. He's still good.
I like him a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, he's so funny. And again, it's one of those
things where it's like he's playing a character, so it's
all kind of a bit so even when he does,
like bash a movie, it's it's the character and not
like his opinion, you know what I mean. There's a
level of silliness there that's that works.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man, I hate that with Tyrone Magnis. He just sold
out for that money. Man sold athlete. He's a grifter.
He's a grifter.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's what happens. Sometimes sometimes the money is more important
than the content. I suppose because he.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Never was like this back in the day. None of
his kindness, hint was like this back in the day.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And then he started getting to this point where as
soon as he started saying woke, so as soon as
he started saying things were too wolke, I said, oh many.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Once, once they started co opting that word, you know
you're done, I.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Said, come on, Tyrone. Tyrone was never like this. Tyrone
Magnis was never like this. He's just conservative douchebag. Now
he's a conservative douchebag. It's just conservative. He's a pinhead
like he bashes everything. He hates everything Marvel, he hates
everything that James Gunn is doing with DC. He said,
Souperman is gonna be trash. They didn't give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know what's like, Man, he's gonna say it's trash.
He's still gonna be able to see it, and he'll
probably be able to see it for free, you know
what I mean? Because he's big enough to where he
gets like the social like like the free screenings, the
pre screening, so he can like do his reviews ahead
of time. So like you're gonna sit there and trash DC,
but then you're gonna take the free tickets and go
see the movie, and then you're gonna come back and
you're still get to bitch about it exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh that's a good point. That's that's a really really
good point, because that's how all this works. You know,
that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
This guy's not paying for these tickets at this point.
He's been around for far too long to actually pay
money to the theaters. He's getting the pre screening crap.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That really hurt me. Man, when I saw that, Like,
I don't follow him, follow him on YouTube, I said.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I follow sad days when you got to do that.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know, he had a lot of fan base that
dropped off because his political views and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And I was just like, man, when did this happen?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Like, he was never like this. As soon as he
said Disney was too, I said, ah, well that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's such a lazy review or reaction, you know what
I mean. It's such a lazy thing to say, like
all Disney's woke. You look at Disney over the past, like,
however many years they've always been quote unquote woke. Even comics,
like someone made the comment like comic books have always
been socially progressive, like forever, forever, even before x Ben,
(14:22):
it's always been very much socially like progressive. That's the
whole point behind superheroes. They're sticking up for the group
of people who can't stick.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Up for them for themselves. Yeah, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's always been there.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
A lot of times. All of these guys don't believe
what they're saying. They're just doing it for the money. Now,
they're just saying crap because it's more easy to be
negative than to be positive, which is.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Which is horrible, not horrible, it's it's just a shame.
It's it's upsetting and it's a shame to like that's
what sells.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Gamers man decent games like that. These games I missed.
I followed them a long time ago. I felt I
followed them like in twenty eighteen or nineteen, that's crazy
one of those years. Because they're they're really toxic, they're
really toxic. Oh man, don't never follow it. If you
see a green and you see that some eyes green eyes,
and it says DC gamers don't follow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And you know what, I feel like, I feel like
a bunch of these people their frame of reference end
it in like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, yep,
like right around Tropic Thunder, because like they like, Tropic
Thunder comes up a lot in some of these circles
I see. They're like, oh, yeah, Tropic Thunder was hilarious.
It's like that's that's the line. That's where they stopped
like really watching anything new, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
They try to use Tropic Thunder as a reference. But
as I see, this is what the talking about, how
I said, No, it's a little bigger than that. It's
a little bit deeper than that. Yeah, don't just try
to co opt that movie and try to use it
as your reference. Deeper than that, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It just seems like the early two thousands was kind
of like that's where their media literacy ends, you know.
That's that's that's it. That's like the glory days for them, yep.
Or or that's that's what they sell anyway. I don't know,
like behind closed doors, who knows.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But something totally different, Jacob Walker, I can tell you
that one. Like Don Magnus his numbers right now on YouTube.
Let me see this is his last numbers on YouTube. God,
I hate to even go to his page.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
The big thing is the hate watching, because you know,
there's a certain amount of people who just hate watch them.
And that's also a problem, right because if, like, if
you don't like someone, if you really don't agree with
the content, just don't give them the time of day.
I don't sit there and hate watch it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like his girlfriend, she doesn't hate everything. His girlfriend doesn't
hate nothing at all. You know, she gives a valid
opinion about something, but she doesn't use the term. She's
not anti woke or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So that that's your selling point, right, be like, all right, Tyrone,
he's an angry one, but the girlfriend is the more
level headed one. So you're like, oh, I can watch
Tyrone and like watch his angry takes and I watch
her level head of takes, and then that's that's why
I form my opinion from those two takes. But that's
how they're set how they're doing it. That's that's the
griff right there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Two point oh two millions stroppers. Dang. And then he said,
let's see his last reaction video new Superman test screening
results that I know we're all negatives and he has
seventy two point yeah, seventy two kws on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
You can just say, you know what I mean, that's
the problem. It's like, that's the problem with like these
independent media journalist types is like you can just say whatever.
There's no journalistic integrity behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yesterday's video, these new Superman promo picks are terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Okay, I like, I yeah, it's like, all right, I guess,
but it works. It works. Unfortunately it works, but also
other things work, so it's not it's not all or not.
My friend, every there's a space for everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's unfortunate. Man, I just really like that guy.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That is a shame r ap Tye. He's dead to us.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Oh yeah, he said he's dead to us. Man, he's
dead to me. I'm mom, I'm good, been so alive.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Listen to those guys talk about anything and everything with
my bold bold my mother, my.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Mother keep the good work and being my boner.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Always gonna listen to you guys, Why haven't you your mother's,
your sister, your grandma tell you?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Damn camera said, what's up? Hit me up, cam can Tommy,
I'll be wanting to get it from you. Let's talk
to the Benger home, but this time to being goo
caught all night. Dam came know what I mean and
Sae boon out
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