January 31, 2025 • 19 mins
In this solo episode of On The Go with Jacob and James, Jacob delves into the recent controversy surrounding the new "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" show on Disney Plus. He discusses the voice actor Hudson Thames' comments on the writing, exploring the nuances of the term "woke" and how it has shaped public perception of the show. Jacob reflects on the generational divide in understanding modern storytelling and the importance of recognizing that Spider-Man is ultimately a character for younger audiences. The episode also features Jacob's Manga Minute, where he introduces the intriguing series "Immortal Hounds," highlighting its unique premise and engaging narrative. Join Jacob for a thought-provoking and entertaining episode that tackles the complexities of modern media and the importance of adapting to change.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Quick, James, let's jump in this boat. We gotta get
away from the Somali pirates. Oh man, what a close one.
That's the last time I ever take you to Bermuda, James. James, Ah, dang,
it looks like you got caught by the Somali pirates.
(00:29):
As always, you know what that means. It's time for
another solo episode of On the Go with Jacob and James.
Just sided. Hello everyone, and welcome to On the Go
(00:53):
with Jacob and James. But in this case, it's just
On the Go with Jacob. I hope everyone's been having
a wonderful week, you know. I know there's been a
lot of headlines and celebrities getting in turmoil and all
kinds of controversy lately. I had a bunch of stuff
I wanted to talk to James about, but you know,
(01:13):
obviously he's wrapped up with the Somali pirates, so we'll
get to those eventually. But I do want to hit
on one story that came out recently about the new
Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man show on Disney Plus. I've
got to watch the show. I couldn't review it for
you at this time. At the time of this recording.
But the big article that came out, it was first
(01:35):
featured in Collider and then it kind of got spread
out over the internet was the voice actor Hudson Thames
did an interview with Collider, and in the interview he
made this comment about the writing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, my biggest fear was that it was going
to be annoying and woke, and it wasn't. And I
was like, yes, this is great. It's so well written,
Like it feels real. I'm the oldest of five boys,
so I feel like I kind of know what's happening
in their lives and in high school, and it felt
like it was doing it justice. Now, obviously the biggest
line here was my biggest fear was that it was
(02:10):
going to be annoying and woke, And.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
People are reacting to that and they're, you know, they're
already calling for him to be fired, and you know
they're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Like, well, if you thought it was woke, why'd you
do it? And blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean he He also voiced Spider Man in the
What If Season one episode I think about the zombies,
the Marvel Zombies episode. Obviously he's been with Disney for
a while, if he's if he's done Spider Man Voice
work with them before, so he kind of.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Gets what Disney does.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And Disney, of course is you know, under fire a
lot from certain groups for being too woke and being
too inclusive and trying to push you know, some kind
of engender or whatever. But really they barely do it.
For one thing, Disney, And another thing is it's it's
just a sigence. It's times, man, It's just people want
(03:03):
to be included in things. All right, There's there's other
people in the world. We got to like spot like
these these folks, these individuals. As a business, you want
to cast a hye net to get the most people in.
That's why it always bothers me when people have this
argument like, oh, they're pandering, they're panding. Yeah, they're everybody panders.
That's what businesses do. They pander. They they try to
(03:23):
market things specifically to different groups of people to get
them to buy their product. It is called it is pandering.
Like I mean, of course you have your heavy handed
stuff and all, and obviously some things work out less
than others. There's some examples out there which I don't
have pulled up at this moment. If I were a
better broadcaster, I would, but I've I've seen it before
(03:44):
where obviously companies try to do a certain thing and
then it doesn't work out well with that group of
people that they're trying to target, right, that that group
of people is like, no, it's a little.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Too heavy handed. I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
You feel it feels bad, like people will call it
out when it happens. But anyway, everyone's on the internet anyways,
is seemingly upset about this comment because you know, Coleman
Domingo is playing Norman Osborne and you know that's a
race swapped character already, so by certain definitions, you could
(04:16):
call that woke, right, And I think people are focusing
on the woke thing a little too much. I'm focused
on the annoying part. It's interesting to me because Hudson
themes is in his thirties. Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man is
about a teenager teen in high school, and like twenty
(04:37):
twenty fifteen and twenty twenty is depending on whatever year
this show is set in. I know it's supposed to
be like a branch from the MCU stuff. So if
we're we're falling that timeline, it's probably like twenty fifteen
all either way, this man was not in high school
in twenty fifteen. He was an adult. He was doing
adult things. He was probably acting. I'm sure he was acting.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He's an actor.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And you get a little out of touch, right and
as an adult or anybody in the thirties, that you
could look at the younger generation and just be like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What they're doing.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's a natural thing, right people. You grow up and
you look at the younger people and you're like, I
don't get it. You know, why are these kids watching
Skimpy Toilet? Why these kids, you know, doing Mister Beasts
challenges and whatever? And that sounds really out of touch
coming from me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I get it. But that's my point. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think he meant annoying and woke, as in just
annoying and something he can't relate to, you know what
I mean? Because at a time like look, this guy
is thirty, I'm thirty two. We would have been in
high school around the same time. Wolke wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You know, it was a very different time.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
We was early two thousands when we started high school.
Early two thousands was a wild decade, honestly, Like you
look at the media from that from those years, very different, edgy,
edge of the seat kind of humor. I mean, we
had Trappic Thunder come out. Robert Downey Junior was in blackface.
That's probably the last time that you could see blackface
(06:11):
and then not ruin your career, or the last time
you could do blackface and then not ruin your career, right,
because Robert Downey Junior also did Irony Man that same
year and no cancelation. You do that today, canceled immediately.
So two thousands of a different time. A lot of
people from the era have a do have a different
way of thinking, and I think some people have an
issue have a hard time kind of bringing themselves to
(06:34):
the modern day. And I always say, like you know,
Adapter Die, right, you kind of have to keep going
with the times, otherwise you're gonna become like an out
of touch old man.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't know if this ranch.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is making sense, but I'm getting to a point. You
have this this adult man playing this high school kid.
So I imagine when he gets a script, he's like, Oh,
it's going to be a bunch of like you know,
Fortnite references, or it's gonna be like streaming references and
stuff that I'm They're like, oh, I'm not really akin to,
and I kind of I think that's what he means.
I don't think he means woke in the you know,
(07:03):
the dog whistle type thing where it's like, oh, there's
black people and there's gay people, it's woke. I don't
think he meant it like that. I think he just
meant like, oh, I thought the script was gonna be
an annoying teenager and you know, super super hip and
super lingo and all this stuff, because woke used to
mean like, hey, I'm hip, I'm woke what I'm for
the times?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right, So I kind of think that's what he meant,
and I think that's where he was going here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He even said it himself in the interview, right, He's like, Yeah,
I read the script and was really well written, and
that's the important part that people are missing. He read
the script and he thought it was well written, right,
Like that means he read it and he was like, Hey,
this is about a bunch of teenagers, but I can
relate to this. He also said he has brothers in
high school, so I don't think he's like that separated
(07:47):
from modern times, but he probably does see the cringey
stuff they do. You look at anybody in high school,
and it's just all cringe. You think about the stuff
you did in high school, it's all cringe. I think
that's what he was getting at. And obviously the Internet
being the Internet kind of just like misconstrues everything or
they just focus on this one line about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Him being like, oh, I thought it was woke, and
I thought it was going to be woke, and blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's my opinion on this. I don't know if if
it makes sense. I don't know if it's too ranty,
but that's kind of what I was thinking. And the
important thing to remember here is that Spider Man is
a property for children. Spider Man is always going to
be predicated towards the younger audience. Like it's say, you
get a new audience like every five to ten years essentially, right.
(08:30):
And so a friend of mine had made the comment like, hey,
why do they keep putting Spider Man in high school?
You know, like why can't we see an adult Spider Man.
It's like, well, my friend, we're in our thirties and
we're adults, and we are no longer to target audience
for this character. Some of us have kids, and some
of us will have to watch the show with our kids,
(08:50):
but we're still not have to target audience, and I think
people forget that. I think people forget that, like, oh,
this thing I grew up with is no longer for
me and I hate it and they ruined it. I
don't know what's going on, but people are having a
hard time growing up. That's what it feels like, and
sometimes I have a hard time doing it. Like when
I first saw the trailer for this Your Friendly Neighborhood
Spider Man show, I was just like, Ah, it looks
(09:11):
all right, But you know, obviously I'm not a modern
day teenager, so I'm gonna look at this and be like, Ah,
they're using hip lingo and they're using I think he
fights like some streamers, right, And obviously I can't relate
to that very well, so I'm just like, uh, whatever,
But a younger person is gonna relate to that. They're
gonna like that because that's what they watch like you.
(09:33):
That's what they watch now as streamers, and it reminds
me of when I went to go see Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh, Mutant Mayhem. I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Talked about this on the show with James, Like when
when I watched it, it didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It didn't click for me. It didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It was a movie. I was entertained, but at the
end of the day, like, I don't think I was
really enjoying it. I don't think I would watch it again.
That's not to say it's bad. That just means it's
me realizing I'm not the target good audience for that right,
because they're using the modern day lingual. I think mister
Beast was in it very much like, Hey, this is
what kids like these days, so we're gonna put this
(10:09):
in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There's nothing wrong with that. You have to have that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I can't go see a Ninja Turtle movie and expect
the nineties movies again, that that time has gone. Now
movie companies can make something for me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I think they're talking about doing a Last roun In movie,
which is like this dark, greedy version of Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles. Where one of the turtles is still alive.
It's like an old man Logan type story with ninja turtles.
But even then, I don't know I want to see
that kind of movie, right because, like, why why do
I want to see that grown up version of these characters.
I just want to see the fun characters that I
grew up with, and I can. I can still watch
(10:44):
those old movies and still enjoy them today. I don't
not everything needs to be for me about me, because
I'm not the target audience for that anymore. I think
people just forget man like people just hang on to
their childhood things and don't want to share with the
next generation. And that's kind of where this woke issue
(11:06):
is coming up. It's not a matter.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Of oh, they made it too woke.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's like, Oh, they didn't make this for me, and
I'm angry about it, and this is how I'm getting this,
this is how I'm sharing my feelings. It's not a
very good way to do it, right. You need to
sit down and evaluate, like, well, why do they make
it like this? Oh, because I'm thirty to forty, I'm
not the target audience for this. That's that's just what
it is people are so rage filled, and I think
(11:35):
it's I think it comes from content creators just peddling anger,
because I see a lot of that these days, and
I I try to come at everything with like an
open mind, or I try to, you know, come come
at it with like some sort of understanding of well,
why do they do it like this? Yeah? I mean
I defend the I've defended the Sony Spider Man universe
(11:57):
a lot. I didn't try as much until a certain point,
and I mean even then, I'm you know, I look
at those movies and it's like, well, they tried something,
they did, try something different, and I can respect that.
Other people, they will make rage content about it. You'll
you won't stop hearing rage content. People are still making
rage content about craving the Hunter. I think that's the
(12:19):
main issue with people, is we want to be angry
about things, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't know why people want to be so mad.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I understand there's awful things going on in the world
and we can't control it. But when at the end
of the day, like this is just all entertainment. You
sit down, you watch a show, you like it, you
don't like it, that's it. You don't have to like
write a dissertation and film yourself reviewing it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
We don't have to do this.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You can just be like, Hey, I watched it, this
is what I liked, this is what I didn't like.
You should watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You should, you know, form your own opinions.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know, I remember the days of nostalgia critic and
angry video game dirt. For one, they would make this
angry like oh this movie was so bad and blah
blah blah blah blah. But then at the end they
would give like an actual review of the product, right
like they were characters, and then they gave their real
life reviews at the end. That seems to have stopped.
There's so many just angry, angry people out there. They
(13:12):
just do anger and it's not fun. It's not creative.
It's just peddling anger. And I don't think it's very good.
I don't think it's very productive. I don't think it's
a good way to review things. You can't review art
with a closed mind. The same thing with the Spider
Man Show.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You can't look at his actors like statement with a
closed mind and just be like, oh, he wanted to
dismiss it as woke or whatever, but he didn't, right,
He read the script and it was well written and
he went for it. That's the important part that it
was well written. So even if it was like quote
unquote woke or too modern or too hip or whatever,
this guy read the script and he's like, you know what,
(13:53):
I'm not the target audience for this. I've got brothers
who would understand it. Even though I don't understand them,
they would get this. So I'm going to do this.
I don't know if there's gonna be seeing me as
defending him. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm not trying to defend him.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I'm just trying to make sense of like this state,
this one statement from this one interview that everyone's blown
up about because God forbids Spider Man have an easy thing,
you know, is so he's so controversial from this TV shows,
the Spider Man universe, the Sony Spider Man universe, even
the Spider Man two game that came out like last year,
(14:27):
almost two years ago. Now, people hated that for no reason,
and almost seemingly for the same thing, like oh, they
kind of went woke. You you play a side mission
as a deaf character. All right, it's a side mission.
I don't know, it's not the main game. They won't
stop you from doing the main game to play this character,
so it's I don't know, man, I people are doing
(14:48):
too much. People, people overthink, people over examine, and maybe
that's the industry we're in, is to like examine these
things and dissect it and talk about it, and people
people like that, or people don't like that or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But I just don't think it's a big deal. God Speak,
Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On the go. We're in the drive through seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With Jacob and James.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
All right, and before we get out of here, I'm
going to I'm gonna do everybody's favorite segment that I
do manga minute today. We're going to look at the
manga Immortal Hounds.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And I just started reading this. I don't have a
full review for the series.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's it's like a seven volume series, but I'll read
you the premise and another reality, humans never die. If
they get sick or injured, they simply kill themselves and
immediately come back to life. But then a mysterious new disease,
resurrection deficiency syndrome starts spreading through the populace via vectors.
The Anti Vector Police Task Force is determined to solve
(16:02):
the mystery of how RDS spreads, but the escape artist,
who use violent means to rescue vectors, seriously hamper the
police's efforts. And just how do the escape artist always
beat the cops to the scene of the crime. That's
the premise on the back of the book. This book
is written by A Rio Yaslhachi. I probably butchered that.
(16:24):
That's probably That's probably the worst way to say that name.
But I read the first volume recently. I'm gonna start
reading the second volume pretty soon here, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Enjoy it so far.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's like, if you've ever read Death Note, it has
that like cat and Mouse kind of game to it,
where you're following the protagonists and the antagonists and you're
watching them try to try to outsmart each other. It's
got that kind of vibes. But it also has like
an attack on Titan kind of vibe to it. Not
so much like there's giant monsters killing people, but if
you've ever seen an attack on Titan. There when you
(16:58):
get to like the third Sea season or I don't
I don't know where that is in the Mango. I've
seen the anime, but when you get to about the
third season, you kind of find out some things about
their history that there's some revisionist history kind of going
on in the storyline, and I feel like that's what's
going on here, and that does interest me. It's ultra violent,
(17:19):
it's very adult. It's not for children. Sixteen plus is
on the book, but they're like they're dropping F bombs,
they're dropping s H bombs. Like the very adult, very bloody,
but also interesting and entertaining, and I kind of want to.
I do want to finish the series because I want
to see where this goes. They do have a sequel
series based from the Vector's point of view, so that's
(17:39):
also kind of interesting. I don't know if it's necessary
when I finish the series. Maybe I'll pick up the
sequel series. Maybe I won't, who knows. But as far
as the first volume goes, I did enjoy it. If
you enjoy a Cat and Mouse kind of detective vibe,
maybe pick up this book. It's got act, it's got
loads of action in it because the police ask forts
(18:00):
try to like capture these Vector people, and then the
escape artist shows up and it's all like bullets and
gunfire and all these things, so very good, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Recommend it. Check it out in wortlal hounce.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And Hey, that's that's all I got for you today,
Just just a twenty minute rant on the Spider Man
Show and I'm on a review. I'm gonna go save
James from the Somali pirates and hopefully he'll be back
with me next week. Hey, without further ado, if you
want to email us, you get an email us at
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(18:41):
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(19:02):
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Speaker 2 (19:04):
It is all one word.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
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Speaker 2 (19:18):
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Speaker 1 (19:20):
Those episodes come out once a month on Wednesdays, not
any specific day, just our Wednesday when I have content
to put out. So, without further ado, I'm on the go.
James is on the go with the Pirates. We are
all on the go.
Quick, James, let's jump in this boat. We gotta get
away from the Somali pirates. Oh man, what a close one.
That's the last time I ever take you to Bermuda, James. James, Ah, dang,
it looks like you got caught by the Somali pirates.
(00:29):
As always, you know what that means. It's time for
another solo episode of On the Go with Jacob and James.
Just sided. Hello everyone, and welcome to On the Go
(00:53):
with Jacob and James. But in this case, it's just
On the Go with Jacob. I hope everyone's been having
a wonderful week, you know. I know there's been a
lot of headlines and celebrities getting in turmoil and all
kinds of controversy lately. I had a bunch of stuff
I wanted to talk to James about, but you know,
(01:13):
obviously he's wrapped up with the Somali pirates, so we'll
get to those eventually. But I do want to hit
on one story that came out recently about the new
Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man show on Disney Plus. I've
got to watch the show. I couldn't review it for
you at this time. At the time of this recording.
But the big article that came out, it was first
(01:35):
featured in Collider and then it kind of got spread
out over the internet was the voice actor Hudson Thames
did an interview with Collider, and in the interview he
made this comment about the writing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I mean, my biggest fear was that it was going
to be annoying and woke, and it wasn't. And I
was like, yes, this is great. It's so well written,
Like it feels real. I'm the oldest of five boys,
so I feel like I kind of know what's happening
in their lives and in high school, and it felt
like it was doing it justice. Now, obviously the biggest
line here was my biggest fear was that it was
(02:10):
going to be annoying and woke, And.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
People are reacting to that and they're, you know, they're
already calling for him to be fired, and you know
they're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Like, well, if you thought it was woke, why'd you
do it? And blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I mean he He also voiced Spider Man in the
What If Season one episode I think about the zombies,
the Marvel Zombies episode. Obviously he's been with Disney for
a while, if he's if he's done Spider Man Voice
work with them before, so he kind of.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Gets what Disney does.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And Disney, of course is you know, under fire a
lot from certain groups for being too woke and being
too inclusive and trying to push you know, some kind
of engender or whatever. But really they barely do it.
For one thing, Disney, And another thing is it's it's
just a sigence. It's times, man, It's just people want
(03:03):
to be included in things. All right, There's there's other
people in the world. We got to like spot like
these these folks, these individuals. As a business, you want
to cast a hye net to get the most people in.
That's why it always bothers me when people have this
argument like, oh, they're pandering, they're panding. Yeah, they're everybody panders.
That's what businesses do. They pander. They they try to
(03:23):
market things specifically to different groups of people to get
them to buy their product. It is called it is pandering.
Like I mean, of course you have your heavy handed
stuff and all, and obviously some things work out less
than others. There's some examples out there which I don't
have pulled up at this moment. If I were a
better broadcaster, I would, but I've I've seen it before
(03:44):
where obviously companies try to do a certain thing and
then it doesn't work out well with that group of
people that they're trying to target, right, that that group
of people is like, no, it's a little.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Too heavy handed. I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
You feel it feels bad, like people will call it
out when it happens. But anyway, everyone's on the internet anyways,
is seemingly upset about this comment because you know, Coleman
Domingo is playing Norman Osborne and you know that's a
race swapped character already, so by certain definitions, you could
(04:16):
call that woke, right, And I think people are focusing
on the woke thing a little too much. I'm focused
on the annoying part. It's interesting to me because Hudson
themes is in his thirties. Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man is
about a teenager teen in high school, and like twenty
(04:37):
twenty fifteen and twenty twenty is depending on whatever year
this show is set in. I know it's supposed to
be like a branch from the MCU stuff. So if
we're we're falling that timeline, it's probably like twenty fifteen
all either way, this man was not in high school
in twenty fifteen. He was an adult. He was doing
adult things. He was probably acting. I'm sure he was acting.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He's an actor.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And you get a little out of touch, right and
as an adult or anybody in the thirties, that you
could look at the younger generation and just be like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What they're doing.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's a natural thing, right people. You grow up and
you look at the younger people and you're like, I
don't get it. You know, why are these kids watching
Skimpy Toilet? Why these kids, you know, doing Mister Beasts
challenges and whatever? And that sounds really out of touch
coming from me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I get it. But that's my point. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I think he meant annoying and woke, as in just
annoying and something he can't relate to, you know what
I mean? Because at a time like look, this guy
is thirty, I'm thirty two. We would have been in
high school around the same time. Wolke wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You know, it was a very different time.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
We was early two thousands when we started high school.
Early two thousands was a wild decade, honestly, Like you
look at the media from that from those years, very different, edgy,
edge of the seat kind of humor. I mean, we
had Trappic Thunder come out. Robert Downey Junior was in blackface.
That's probably the last time that you could see blackface
(06:11):
and then not ruin your career, or the last time
you could do blackface and then not ruin your career, right,
because Robert Downey Junior also did Irony Man that same
year and no cancelation. You do that today, canceled immediately.
So two thousands of a different time. A lot of
people from the era have a do have a different
way of thinking, and I think some people have an
issue have a hard time kind of bringing themselves to
(06:34):
the modern day. And I always say, like you know,
Adapter Die, right, you kind of have to keep going
with the times, otherwise you're gonna become like an out
of touch old man.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't know if this ranch.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Is making sense, but I'm getting to a point. You
have this this adult man playing this high school kid.
So I imagine when he gets a script, he's like, Oh,
it's going to be a bunch of like you know,
Fortnite references, or it's gonna be like streaming references and
stuff that I'm They're like, oh, I'm not really akin to,
and I kind of I think that's what he means.
I don't think he means woke in the you know,
(07:03):
the dog whistle type thing where it's like, oh, there's
black people and there's gay people, it's woke. I don't
think he meant it like that. I think he just
meant like, oh, I thought the script was gonna be
an annoying teenager and you know, super super hip and
super lingo and all this stuff, because woke used to
mean like, hey, I'm hip, I'm woke what I'm for
the times?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right, So I kind of think that's what he meant,
and I think that's where he was going here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He even said it himself in the interview, right, He's like, Yeah,
I read the script and was really well written, and
that's the important part that people are missing. He read
the script and he thought it was well written, right,
Like that means he read it and he was like, Hey,
this is about a bunch of teenagers, but I can
relate to this. He also said he has brothers in
high school, so I don't think he's like that separated
(07:47):
from modern times, but he probably does see the cringey
stuff they do. You look at anybody in high school,
and it's just all cringe. You think about the stuff
you did in high school, it's all cringe. I think
that's what he was getting at. And obviously the Internet
being the Internet kind of just like misconstrues everything or
they just focus on this one line about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Him being like, oh, I thought it was woke, and
I thought it was going to be woke, and blah
blah blah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's my opinion on this. I don't know if if
it makes sense. I don't know if it's too ranty,
but that's kind of what I was thinking. And the
important thing to remember here is that Spider Man is
a property for children. Spider Man is always going to
be predicated towards the younger audience. Like it's say, you
get a new audience like every five to ten years essentially, right.
(08:30):
And so a friend of mine had made the comment like, hey,
why do they keep putting Spider Man in high school?
You know, like why can't we see an adult Spider Man.
It's like, well, my friend, we're in our thirties and
we're adults, and we are no longer to target audience
for this character. Some of us have kids, and some
of us will have to watch the show with our kids,
(08:50):
but we're still not have to target audience, and I think
people forget that. I think people forget that, like, oh,
this thing I grew up with is no longer for
me and I hate it and they ruined it. I
don't know what's going on, but people are having a
hard time growing up. That's what it feels like, and
sometimes I have a hard time doing it. Like when
I first saw the trailer for this Your Friendly Neighborhood
Spider Man show, I was just like, Ah, it looks
(09:11):
all right, But you know, obviously I'm not a modern
day teenager, so I'm gonna look at this and be like, Ah,
they're using hip lingo and they're using I think he
fights like some streamers, right, And obviously I can't relate
to that very well, so I'm just like, uh, whatever,
But a younger person is gonna relate to that. They're
gonna like that because that's what they watch like you.
(09:33):
That's what they watch now as streamers, and it reminds
me of when I went to go see Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh, Mutant Mayhem. I don't think it.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Talked about this on the show with James, Like when
when I watched it, it didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It didn't click for me. It didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It was a movie. I was entertained, but at the
end of the day, like, I don't think I was
really enjoying it. I don't think I would watch it again.
That's not to say it's bad. That just means it's
me realizing I'm not the target good audience for that right,
because they're using the modern day lingual. I think mister
Beast was in it very much like, Hey, this is
what kids like these days, so we're gonna put this
(10:09):
in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
There's nothing wrong with that. You have to have that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I can't go see a Ninja Turtle movie and expect
the nineties movies again, that that time has gone. Now
movie companies can make something for me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I think they're talking about doing a Last roun In movie,
which is like this dark, greedy version of Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles. Where one of the turtles is still alive.
It's like an old man Logan type story with ninja turtles.
But even then, I don't know I want to see
that kind of movie, right because, like, why why do
I want to see that grown up version of these characters.
I just want to see the fun characters that I
grew up with, and I can. I can still watch
(10:44):
those old movies and still enjoy them today. I don't
not everything needs to be for me about me, because
I'm not the target audience for that anymore. I think
people just forget man like people just hang on to
their childhood things and don't want to share with the
next generation. And that's kind of where this woke issue
(11:06):
is coming up. It's not a matter.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Of oh, they made it too woke.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's like, Oh, they didn't make this for me, and
I'm angry about it, and this is how I'm getting this,
this is how I'm sharing my feelings. It's not a
very good way to do it, right. You need to
sit down and evaluate, like, well, why do they make
it like this? Oh, because I'm thirty to forty, I'm
not the target audience for this. That's that's just what
it is people are so rage filled, and I think
(11:35):
it's I think it comes from content creators just peddling anger,
because I see a lot of that these days, and
I I try to come at everything with like an
open mind, or I try to, you know, come come
at it with like some sort of understanding of well,
why do they do it like this? Yeah? I mean
I defend the I've defended the Sony Spider Man universe
(11:57):
a lot. I didn't try as much until a certain point,
and I mean even then, I'm you know, I look
at those movies and it's like, well, they tried something,
they did, try something different, and I can respect that.
Other people, they will make rage content about it. You'll
you won't stop hearing rage content. People are still making
rage content about craving the Hunter. I think that's the
(12:19):
main issue with people, is we want to be angry
about things, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't know why people want to be so mad.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I understand there's awful things going on in the world
and we can't control it. But when at the end
of the day, like this is just all entertainment. You
sit down, you watch a show, you like it, you
don't like it, that's it. You don't have to like
write a dissertation and film yourself reviewing it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
We don't have to do this.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You can just be like, Hey, I watched it, this
is what I liked, this is what I didn't like.
You should watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You should, you know, form your own opinions.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know, I remember the days of nostalgia critic and
angry video game dirt. For one, they would make this
angry like oh this movie was so bad and blah
blah blah blah blah. But then at the end they
would give like an actual review of the product, right
like they were characters, and then they gave their real
life reviews at the end. That seems to have stopped.
There's so many just angry, angry people out there. They
(13:12):
just do anger and it's not fun. It's not creative.
It's just peddling anger. And I don't think it's very good.
I don't think it's very productive. I don't think it's
a good way to review things. You can't review art
with a closed mind. The same thing with the Spider
Man Show.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You can't look at his actors like statement with a
closed mind and just be like, oh, he wanted to
dismiss it as woke or whatever, but he didn't, right,
He read the script and it was well written and
he went for it. That's the important part that it
was well written. So even if it was like quote
unquote woke or too modern or too hip or whatever,
this guy read the script and he's like, you know what,
(13:53):
I'm not the target audience for this. I've got brothers
who would understand it. Even though I don't understand them,
they would get this. So I'm going to do this.
I don't know if there's gonna be seeing me as
defending him. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm not trying to defend him.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I'm just trying to make sense of like this state,
this one statement from this one interview that everyone's blown
up about because God forbids Spider Man have an easy thing,
you know, is so he's so controversial from this TV shows,
the Spider Man universe, the Sony Spider Man universe, even
the Spider Man two game that came out like last year,
(14:27):
almost two years ago. Now, people hated that for no reason,
and almost seemingly for the same thing, like oh, they
kind of went woke. You you play a side mission
as a deaf character. All right, it's a side mission.
I don't know, it's not the main game. They won't
stop you from doing the main game to play this character,
so it's I don't know, man, I people are doing
(14:48):
too much. People, people overthink, people over examine, and maybe
that's the industry we're in, is to like examine these
things and dissect it and talk about it, and people
people like that, or people don't like that or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But I just don't think it's a big deal. God Speak,
Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On the go. We're in the drive through seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
With Jacob and James.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
All right, and before we get out of here, I'm
going to I'm gonna do everybody's favorite segment that I
do manga minute today. We're going to look at the
manga Immortal Hounds.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And I just started reading this. I don't have a
full review for the series.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's it's like a seven volume series, but I'll read
you the premise and another reality, humans never die. If
they get sick or injured, they simply kill themselves and
immediately come back to life. But then a mysterious new disease,
resurrection deficiency syndrome starts spreading through the populace via vectors.
The Anti Vector Police Task Force is determined to solve
(16:02):
the mystery of how RDS spreads, but the escape artist,
who use violent means to rescue vectors, seriously hamper the
police's efforts. And just how do the escape artist always
beat the cops to the scene of the crime. That's
the premise on the back of the book. This book
is written by A Rio Yaslhachi. I probably butchered that.
(16:24):
That's probably That's probably the worst way to say that name.
But I read the first volume recently. I'm gonna start
reading the second volume pretty soon here, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Enjoy it so far.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's like, if you've ever read Death Note, it has
that like cat and Mouse kind of game to it,
where you're following the protagonists and the antagonists and you're
watching them try to try to outsmart each other. It's
got that kind of vibes. But it also has like
an attack on Titan kind of vibe to it. Not
so much like there's giant monsters killing people, but if
you've ever seen an attack on Titan. There when you
(16:58):
get to like the third Sea season or I don't
I don't know where that is in the Mango. I've
seen the anime, but when you get to about the
third season, you kind of find out some things about
their history that there's some revisionist history kind of going
on in the storyline, and I feel like that's what's
going on here, and that does interest me. It's ultra violent,
(17:19):
it's very adult. It's not for children. Sixteen plus is
on the book, but they're like they're dropping F bombs,
they're dropping s H bombs. Like the very adult, very bloody,
but also interesting and entertaining, and I kind of want to.
I do want to finish the series because I want
to see where this goes. They do have a sequel
series based from the Vector's point of view, so that's
(17:39):
also kind of interesting. I don't know if it's necessary
when I finish the series. Maybe I'll pick up the
sequel series. Maybe I won't, who knows. But as far
as the first volume goes, I did enjoy it. If
you enjoy a Cat and Mouse kind of detective vibe,
maybe pick up this book. It's got act, it's got
loads of action in it because the police ask forts
(18:00):
try to like capture these Vector people, and then the
escape artist shows up and it's all like bullets and
gunfire and all these things, so very good, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Recommend it. Check it out in wortlal hounce.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And Hey, that's that's all I got for you today,
Just just a twenty minute rant on the Spider Man
Show and I'm on a review. I'm gonna go save
James from the Somali pirates and hopefully he'll be back
with me next week. Hey, without further ado, if you
want to email us, you get an email us at
on the gopod twenty twenty three at gmail dot com.
(18:41):
You know, let us know what you think about these
solo episodes. Maybe you have specific topics that you want
to hear my opinion on, if you like my opinions
on things, right, so just let me know what you
want to hear me specifically talk about, and I'll do
that on solo episodes on these rare occasions that I
do have to cover for win James's held captive by pirates.
(19:02):
You can also find us on Instagram. It's on the
go with Jacob and James.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It is all one word.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You can also follow us on YouTube. Obviously, episodes get
put out there. That's where Joel and the Monkey lives
as well. Joel and the Monkey also has their own
separate likes podcast page, Joel and the Monkey, or I
think it's on the Go with Joel and the Monkey.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
One of those two is should pop up.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Those episodes come out once a month on Wednesdays, not
any specific day, just our Wednesday when I have content
to put out. So, without further ado, I'm on the go.
James is on the go with the Pirates. We are
all on the go.
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