S3: Girls Night Out EP 03 Dead Girls Can’t Talk

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
David Pierce is in custody for the alleged murder of
Christy Giles and Hilda Marcella Cabrales Arzola. He has also
been charged with seven counts of sexual assault and two
counts of transportation selling narcotics related to Fetnahl, he allegedly
gave Christy and Hilda when he offered them cocaine. Brandt

(00:35):
Osborne is out of jail, but is still charged with
two counts of being an accessory after the fact. What
we know about David Pierce so far is he is
a self proclaimed Hollywood producer. His IMDb page lists the
teen sitcom Dawson's Creek and a role in the spinoff
Young Americans. His bio claims he directed his first documentary

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with comedy legend Jay Leno, with a few other producing
credits for various films. Christy's husband, Jan said he and
Christie's family have received a number of messages from other
females who have eerily similar stories. Jan said the only
difference between them and Christy and Hilda is they survived.

(01:25):
Let's bring back Danielle Rayden, an LA based journalist for
CBS Los Angeles. Danielle what else can you tell us
about David Pierce.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Women said that he poses a big time producer for
Paramount Pictures, but that wasn't true. There have been some
pretty shocking Internet rumors about Dave Pierce circulating since two
thousand and nine, so let's just go through these chronologically.
There's an article on TMZ from two thousand and nine
that shows Peerce sued a prominent fashion designer named Lloyd

(01:57):
Klein for allegedly throwing a vase at him and throwing
him down a staircase. But Kleine said at the time
that Pierce allegedly broke into his garage, got a ladder,
climbed into Cleine's bedroom, and was screaming at him. The
Dirty dot com is a website that was very popular
in the mid two thousands as an anonymous gossip website

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where anyone could upload dirt on public figures through post pictures, videos,
and others could anonymously common as well. There was an
article that came out on The Dirty in January twenty
twelve titled Dave Pierce is a bad person. This anonymous
poster said he got a girl drunk.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
And took advantage of her.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
The poster also alleges that he drugged girls, and concluded
the post with quote, I think every girl should watch
out for him.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
There was also an.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Incident in twenty eighteen where Pierce was arrested for suspicion
of making a false report of an emergency, also known
as swatting. During the incident, a Beverly Hills police swat
team was sent to an upscale hotel in response to
a bogus call.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
The Daily Mail.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Released an article in twenty twenty one saying an actor
from Scarface, Stephen Bauer, witnessed a violent event with Pearce
in two thousand and eight. He claims Pierce raped a
woman at a party and she emerged from a locked
room crying and trying to leave. The former bassist of
the band The Scorpions, Ralph Reikerman, also told The Daily

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Mail Pierce kept a stack of women's IDs in his apartment,
which he handed.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Out to young girls.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
On a website called every Caller, a person with the
user name scarred by Dave wrote in twenty twenty two
that he would pick up drunk women in nightclubs, get
them back to his house, steal their wallet and credit cards.
The person called him the definition of a sociopath. Another

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user said they filed a police report over a year
ago for stalking and harassment, claiming Pierce drugged her at
his home. In twenty nineteen, another user on the site
called rot in Hell Dave said.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
He drugged and raped her when she was nineteen years old.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
This same website has posts about him as far back
as twenty twelve, saying he's a scam artist and a
drug dealer.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Why hasn't Pierce ever been charged for the other alleged
sexual assaults.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
In twenty fourteen, he was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault,
but prosecutors with the Los Angeles District Attorney's office declined
to bring charges. In twenty twenty, another woman.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Accused Pierce of rape.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
A deputy district attorney in LA failed to bring charges,
writing in an internal memo there wasn't enough evidence to
support the woman's claim that she was raped while being
passed out. The district attorney said, he is being charged
with crimes now that he committed between twenty seven and
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Why wasn't Dave Pierce locked up?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Then? The answer is because the criminal justice system failed.
It failed these past victims. It failed Christy, it failed Hilda.
The truth is this man slipped through the cracks for
years because law enforcement and the district attorney did not further.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Investigate these claims.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
If he would have been locked up for these other charges,
he never would have met the two women who lost
their lives. These victims should have been protected and they
were not, and Christy and Hilda ultimately paid the price
for it with their lives.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Let's bring back Trinka Perata, retired narcotics detective after twenty
five years with the LAPD, now president of the Project
GHB Board and a renowned expert on drug facilitated sexual assaults. Trinka,
what are your thoughts on the DA not charging Pierce
originally and how common is it for sexual sult not

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to be prosecuted.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, it's very difficult for anyone to report a sexual assault.
It's a very personal assault, and even under the most ideal,
clear headed circumstances, it's very difficult to come forward and
talk about these horrible things that happened. That's when you

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actually know what happened. That's and especially even add to
that that it's a high profile person, it's a politician,
it's a movie star, it's a producer, it's a big businessman,
it's somebody, it's your boss, somebody that has authority over you.
So any sexual assault is very difficult to report. Now

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you add to that the high profile thing, and now
you add to that the drug issue. How much alcohol
did you consume, how were you dressed, why were you there?
You know, all these questions, and I don't care why
you were there and how much drugs you took out.
You know, I don't care. As an investigator, I need

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to know. I need to put it together for the
consent issue. But that becomes harder and harder to come
forward when you have no recall. Okay, I was at
a bar. I was sitting there by myself. I was
having a drink. I got up and went to the
bathroom and came back, and I don't remember finishing my drink.
And I woke up at home in my own bed.

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I don't know how I got there or I woke
up in an alley. How do you report that? How
do you walk into it? Who wants to be the
person that walks into a police station and says, I
think I was drugged and rape. I have no recall
in anything. You know, they don't know who, they don't
know how many, they don't know where, terrifying. So a

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whole lot of these cases never get reported. And when
they do, when your friends tell you, oh my god,
something happened. You went to the bathroom and back and
suddenly you were acting really weird and you ran out
the door with this guy that just showed up and
started talking to you, and you walked out the door
with him, and we didn't know where you went. You
got to report it. You were raped, and the police go,

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and so what do you want us to do about it?
It's scary how difficult it is to be the victim
and come forward. And then when you are faced with
the lack of training, with a lack of interest in
the case, with the lack of follow through, it's really
disappointing how easily these cases are put off.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Peers has continued to plead not guilty and told the
police at the time, at the end of the day,
I didn't do anything wrong. That he had watch people
partaking in things that I had nothing to do with,
and I just tried to make the situation right. Brand
Osborne was charged with two counts of Aseruda murder. After

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the fact, Osborne, an actor from Beverly Hills, was arrested
while working as an extra on the set of CBS
NCIS Los Angeles Danielle. What else is notable about Brant
Osborne and his alleged involvement in this case.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Police said it was Brant Osborne's car, a Prius, that
everyone got into when they left the warehouse party.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
He's the roommate of David Pierce.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
At five to eleven in the morning, Osborne's car is
seen in surveillance video pulling up to the apartment on
Olympic Boulevard, a.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Police affi David described.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
At four nineteen in the afternoon, eleven hours after they
arrived at the apartment, Pears and Osborne are caught on
camera allegedly carrying Christy down the backstairs. They get into
the same Prius and drive to Southern California Medical Center Pierson.
Osborne then return in the frame of the surveillance cameras

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to get Hilda and carry her into the Prius.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
What could be even more damaging for Osborne our statements
he allegedly made after the deaths of Christy and Hilda,
On top of dropping the girls off at different hospitals
and trying to conceal their identity. Osborne allegedly told a
co worker if cops had found the drugs hidden underneath

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the cash inside the car, they would have been in
big trouble. Here's actor David Marietta speaking to CBS Los
Angeles about his conversation with Osborne on the set of
NCIS a few days after the night out.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
He said, I had the craziest weekend of my life
and proceeds to just tell me hour by hour detailed
account and timeline of exactly what happened from late Friday
afternoon to about Saturday afternoon, where he begins to kind
of boast and create an alibi in the process of

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how he went to sleep, he woke up one of
the girls didn't have a pulse.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Marietta also told The New York Post that Osborne told
him how they've partied, two girls, came back to their place,
and the girls had a bunch of drugs. Marietta said
Osborne left the apartment to get a COVID nineteen test
for the commercial shoot, and when he returned, his roommate
informed him that Giles was dead. Osborne said he checked

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her pulse, freaked out, decided not to call nine one one,
and they decided what to do with the body. When
they returned from dropping off Christy in Culver City, Marietta
said Osborne told him they checked the second girl's pulse
and it was very faint, so they decided to drop

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her off at a second hospital so they didn't get caught.
Marietta also set Osborne's biggest concern after all of this
was one of the girls had peed in the bed
during the night. Let's bring back Josh Ritter, criminal defense
attorney and former La County prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential

(12:16):
on YouTube. Josh, how would the prosecutors make the determination
that Peers should be charged with murder rather than manslaughter.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
The difference between manslaughter and murder isn't really so much
an idea of whether or not you have more evidence.
It's really if you have evidence of intent. That is
the big distinction between manslaughter and murder is you're trying
to understand with what kind of intent criminal intent was

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this person acting. So in a manslaughter case, you might
feel that you have little proof that this person knew
or should have known that dangerousness of their actions. There
didn't appear to be any premeditation, It did not appear
to be based upon any kind of malice that they

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were acting. So, you know, you see that in instances
where it could look like an accident, but somebody was
behaving with such gross disregard for the safety of others
that they feel it's criminal enough to charge them with manslaughter.
When you get to murder, now you're talking about malice,
and you're talking about, you know, somebody thinking about their

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actions and intending to cost someone harm. And when you
get to first degree murder, now you're talking about premeditation
and malice a forethought. So really the distinction there has
to do with what did investigators and the DA's office
learn about the mindset of this individual before bringing this

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charges or before bringing these charges, And I think beginning
to have an understanding of this person's background and how
many times he has come close to this kind of
tragedy taking place, now you begin to understand why they
feel that this drifts far closer towards murder than a
simple manslaughter charge.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
What kind of consequences could Osborne be facing in this
case based on his involvement and statements he allegedly made afterwards.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Even though mister Osborne has not been charged with murder,
he is facing extremely serious consequences nonetheless, and that's because
his involvement. I think the investigators and DA's office know

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that he was aware of what had happened to these
young women. He was in a position where he could
have done the right thing and saved their lives, and
he chose not to, and instead he chose to assist
David Pierce in covering it up. And a lot of
this is coming through his own admission. When investigators arrived

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at the home, they spoke to both Osborne and Pierce,
and both of them gave incriminating statements, though they both
felt that they were being a little clever in what
they were willing to admit to police. But even Osborne,
in his kind of self serving comments making it sound

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as though he was just trying to do the right thing,
admitted that he knew that these women were in a
very desperate state, that they were close to death, and
he could have done something about it. Instead chose not to,
but chose to assist Peerce in bringing their bodies to

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separate hospitals in an attempt to disguise their involvement, and
so the DA's office I think has Whye realized that
he may not have been culpable in causing their deaths,
but was certainly culpable in covering it up and culpable
in not doing the right thing where he could have

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possibly saved their lives.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Osborne was arraigned in July of twenty twenty two and
pleaded not guilty to both accessory charges, posting a forty
thousand dollars bond to be released on bail. If convicted,
he could face up to three years eight months in prison.
When asked about the rape and sexual assault charges against Pearce,

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Osborne told The New York Post that he had previously
spoken to one of the victims the morning after one
of the alleged incidents. It's not clear which incident or
which of Pearce's charges he's referencing. Osborne said he heard
the woman scream in the middle of the night from

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the adjacent bedroom and asked if everything was okay. The
next morning, Osbourne claims the woman told him we were
role playing, but wouldn't reveal any other details. He also
claims Pearce never spoke about physically disrespecting women, and that
he had never witnessed Peers disrespecting women. Ever. The third

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suspect arrested in this case was forty nine year old
Michael Ansbach. Ansbach's lawyer, also speaking to The New York Post,
said his client is nothing more than a material witness
and that Ansbach wants to be an asset. He added
that Osborne was the only one who accompanied Peerce to

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the hospital, and that Ansbach wasn't in the press or
any other vehicle implicated by police in the murders. Back
to Danielle Rayden, what do we know about Michael Ansbach.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Michael Ansbach, according to IMDb, is a cinematographer. He did
camera work more than a decade ago for shows like
Shark Tank and Dancing with the Stars. He was reportedly
at the house that night. Police said that he's captured
on surveillance video leaving the place and carrying some sort
of bag with unknown items.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Ansbach's attorney also told the Post that Ansboch had been
hired by Peerce to film a documentary about electronic dance music.
In December of twenty twenty two, while Pears and Osborne
awaited a hearing, to determine whether or not there was
sufficient evidence to make them stand trial. A grand jury

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indicted them. Both men pleaded not guilty, Josh, How could
someone be indicted by the grand jury and they're still
waiting to determine if they're sufficient evidence to make them
stand trial.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
In some rare circumstances, the district attorney's office will use
the mechanism of a grand jury rather than going through
a preliminary hearing. At a preliminary hearing, it's open to
the public, the defense is present, they are allowed to
cross examine witnesses. At a grand jury, the proceedings are secret,
the defense is not present, and so there's certain advantages

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to having a grand jury. In cases similar to the
one that we're discussing involving allegations of sexual assault, where
you're going to have victims testifying to things that are
very private and traumatic in their life, sometimes the district
attorney will decide to use that so that they don't

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subject that person to further cross examination when it's not necessary.
And in those instances, the grand jury will take place
without anyone's knowledge, and they will file what's called a
superseding indictment as they did in this case.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
The indictment was unsealed the following January, with disturbing details
about the knight Christine Hilda Died, Pierce's alleged history of
similar crimes, and damaging statements from both Pearce and Osborne
about their actions that night. Seven women recalled as witnesses
before the grand jury under their name Jane doe Ie

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through seven. The victims gave harrowing accounts of their interaction
with Peerce, going back to two thousand and seven. One
victim said she posted an ad on Craigslist looking for
a place to live in la She received attacks from
a producer in Hollywood named Billy, and eventually went to

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the apartment. According to her, Peerce was there with a
blonde woman. The victim said Pierce told her he was
a producer and a big Hollywood hotshot, bragging about being
friends with Harvey Weinstein and Ron Jeremy and that he
had a lot of connections in Hollywood. Pierce allegedly offered

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the victim a drink which tasted odd and salty. She
said she was feeling funny, like she was about to
pass out, and began slurring her words. The next thing,
she remembers is lying on her back with no underwear
on and with the blonde woman between her legs. She

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said Pierce was behind the woman, forcing her to go
down on the victim. Pierce then allegedly penetrated her with
a wine bottle. When the victim tried to fight back,
she said Pierce jumped on her and threw her off
the bed, then punched her in the face. The victim

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said she ran out of the room and collected her things.
Pierce grabbed her arm and knocked her phone out of
her hand, shattering it. According to her, the victim managed
to get out of the apartment and crawl to her car.
Another Jane Doe, testified that she met Pierce on Tinder.

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He was using the name Billy. She says she went
to Pierce's house and had consensual sex with him. Then
Pierce made her two drinks and took her to the club.
She remembers doing cocaine with Pierce at an after party,
but woke up at one pm the next day feeling dissociated.

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Pierce told the victim that they did cocaine and mushrooms
and had sex. According to the victim, the victim went
to the hospital for a sexual assault exam and spoke
with LAPD. The woman said Pierce began texting her aggressively,
telling her that they had slashed her tires and had

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her car tot She retrieved the car with the tires
in tac but had to get the LAPD to go
to Peers's apartment to retrieve her belongings, according to her
back to Danielle, Danielle, what did the other victims have
to say about David Piers and the other types of
acts he allegedly committed.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
There were seven women called as witnesses before the grand jury.
In sworn testimony. One woman said she met Pierce in
October twenty twenty at a Halloween party. She said Pierce
pulled her into a closet and sexually assaulted her.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
She said he then.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Took her to his apartment on Olympic Boulevard and raped her.
She tried to fight him off and was screaming. She
blacked out and woke up with bruises on her wrists
where he was holding her down. The witness also got
into the specifics of the threats Pierce would make with
so many women who experienced these assaults. Pierce claimed he

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did a background check on her and threatened her by
saying her parents' name and address. He told her she
would never get her real estate license that she was
working towards if she went to the police because he's
too well connected. He then made her apologize to his
roommate for screaming all night. Another woman said that she

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met Pierce on a dating app in twenty twenty. She
said she went to his house and he poured her
a whiskey drink. She allegedly blacked out, and he comes
to to discover Pierce sexually assaulting her while she was
screaming no. Another woman testified that she met Pierce in
February twenty nineteen on an app. He claimed he was

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the CEO of Paramount Entertainment in his profile. She said
he gave her a flask with a quote special drink
in it. They went to a Hollywood club and stayed
there until three in the morning. He then took her
to his apartment. Around eight in the morning, they had
stayed up all night, and he took her to his bed.

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She was insistent that she didn't want to have sex
with him. He then raved her as she was crying
and shaking from being scared. In twenty nineteen, a woman
said she went to a party at Pearce's house. He
poured her a drink and she blacked out. When she
woke up, Pierce was allegedly sexually assaulting her. She had
to fight him off and got bruising on her arm

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from him as she fled the house. One woman said
in two thousand and seven, Pierce sexually assaulted her as
she cried, and then harassed her for weeks after.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
CBS forty eight Hours also spoke to a woman named
Erica Bergman, who talked about being traumatized by Pierce. She
said she tried to warn other women about him on
a blog called The Dirty Back in twenty thirteen. She
said Pierce would talk about celebrities that he knew and

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introduce himself as a producer for Paramount Pictures. The woman
told CBS she believes Pierce drugged her one night. She
said she slept until four the next day and woke
up feeling strange and groggy. She said Peerce was in
the room laughing and giddy, talking about how he sexually
assaulted her while she was passed out and sleeping. She

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also said Piers slammed her head into a marble floor,
but she was too scared to press charges. Let's take
a minute to talk about this. No means no. No
women should have to go through what the these women

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have gone through and what they allege that they have
gone through. It's important for us to believe the victims.
Five of the seven victims remember taking drinks Peers made,
and then they say that they're feeling instantly sick or
blacking out. Four of them said that he harassed them afterwards,
even threatened one woman's family, pierce telling women that he

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could help them out in the industry, or threaten to
prevent one from getting a real estate license, allegedly humiliating
them with insult, and making one woman making apology tape
for screaming all night. Back to Josh Ritter, criminal defense attorney, Josh,
what are your thoughts after hearing the stories of some

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of the Jane does and the pattern of accusations against Peers.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
It is really scary to think about that a man
like this could operate for as long as he did
without being prosecuted, without sitting in prison for the rest
of his life, like he probably should have been many
many years ago, many years before he ever met Christy
and Hilda. But I think it's also important to understand

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that he is not an outlier, that there are men
who operate like this and are able to avoid capture
because of how difficult it is to bring these types
of cases. That it is difficult to convince women who
have been assaulted and victimized in this kind of way
to retraumatize themselves and to come into court and to cooperate,

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And it is difficult to put these cases together when
it might just be the word of a victim against
his word, and so many times it will end up
being that it is a person who has done this
more than once before they actually begin to face the
music in court. And there are laws in California that

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will make this evidence in court incredibly powerful. There's an
evidence code called eleven zero eight which allows for not
only the charging of other prior acts of sexual assault,
but to use those to demonstrate that this person not

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only had a pattern, but a propensity towards sexual violence.
In other words, if jurors believe that David Pierce committed
one or two of these prior charged sexual offenses, they

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can use that to believe that he is the type
of person to commit these types of acts, that he
has the propensity to commit these types of acts, and
if there ever was a question in their heads of
what he intended to do that evening, that this evidence
can be used to convince him that that is exactly

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what he intended to do that evening, based upon his
pattern and propensity of drugging women and violently and forcibly
assaulting them, that that is exactly what he intended to
do with Christy and Hilda on this evening.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
The grand jury documents also reveal more details about the
evidence against Pierce and Osborne, particularly in the deaths of
Christy and Hilda. The prosecution called twenty six witnesses, with
the most notable being Michael Ansbach, who testified about what
happened the night of November twelfth, twenty twenty one. Ansboch

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testified that he showed up to the warehouse with Pierce
and a few others in Osborne's high end day. Ansboch
testified that he remembers going into the back room with Pierce,
Christy and Hilda, and they all did Pierce's cocaine, which
did not give him any ill effects at the time.
He also testified that Christy and Hilda had their own

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supply of ketamine. As the group went back to Pierce
and Osborne's apartment, Ansbach said Pierce made drinks red bull
and vodka for everyone. Ansboch said he had the drink
many times, but this one tasted awful. Something was off.
Andsbach remembers that he started to feel tired and sluggish
and wanted to go home because he had to work

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the next day. According to Ansboch, Pierce wanted everyone to
stay and insisted that Ansboch stay the night. Ansboch testified
that there was a plate of cocaine, which he said
Pierce offered to his Chihuahuah puppy, and then eventually Pierce
brought out more cocaine. Ansboch said Pierce claimed that this

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was the highest greatest grade ever and gave some to
both women. He did not see Pierce or Osborne do
any of the cocaine. Ansboch tried the cocaine and remembered
its burning like hell. He said he accused Pierce of
trying to poison him. Ansbox said he passed out and
woke up violently, throwing up with blurry vision. When he

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woke up in the morning. He said Osbourne had just
returned home from getting a COVID test. Just after eleven
am Ansboch said Pierce went into the room which Christy
was in and noticed she wasn't breathing. He said they
checked Christie's pulse and Pierce became frantic and incoherent. Ansboch
testified that Pierce was worried about his prior convictions and

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said something that still haunts Ansboch to this day. While
they were discussing what to do with Christy. Ansboch testified
that Pierce said, dead girls can't talk. Ansboch said he
suggested calling nine one one, but Pierce was against it.
He was against an ambulance coming and insisted on taking

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the girls to the hospital. Ansboch said he fell back
asleep and then later called his girlfriend, who told him
to get a friend to pick him up. Surveillance footage
shows him leaving the apartment at five point fifteen pm.
The next day. Ansboch said he messaged with Pierce and
Osborne on telegram. He also revealed that Pierce had two

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Burner phones, with one of the numbers saved under the
name Michael Strahan. Ansbox's testimony provided some crucial information about
what happened in the apartment that night, particularly Pierce allegedly
giving out new cocaine and once again mixing drinks for
his guests. It's the same story we've heard over and

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over and over again from the Jane Doe testimonies. Ansbach
also took a cell phone video in the apartment that night,
which shows Christy lying back on the couch and helda
up and alert, talking to Pierce about a song playing
in the background. The video has a timestamp of five

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forty am on November thirteenth, ten minutes after CHRISTI text Tilda,
let's go. The uber arrived at five forty four am
just four minutes later and left at five forty nine am.
So let's take a deeper dive into this. So we
know that Christy and Hilda were still alert and don't

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appear to be in any physical danger around five forty am,
But what happened after that between five forty am and
eleven am the next morning? And why did it take
so long to take these women to the hospital. If

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these women weren't breathing or having difficulties, why wasn't nine
one one called right away? Why were they dropped off
at the hospital by mass men that concealed their license plate?
Why not call nine to one one right away? Was

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there something being concealed? Why wait so long? Could things
have been different if nine one one was called? Things
have been different if they would have gotten to the
hospital sooner. And what are we supposed to make of

(35:09):
Peerce's alleged behavior in the aftermath? Pierce said he was
trying to do the right thing. But what kind of
person says something like dead girls can't talk like Ann's
Boch testified with an unconscious woman in their apartment. Let's

(35:35):
welcome back Christy's mother, Dusty, Dusty, I can't even imagine
what you had to go through and continue to go through.
I'm so sorry for your loss as a mother. What
goes through your mind when you hear something like that.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Well, first of all, it's heartbreaking. It is just as
heartbreaking as you know Ansbock saying that Osbourne was complaining
that one of the girls Pete in his bed. I'm
sorry that as her life was draining out of them,
that they had bodily leakage. Is what happened in slynd

(36:18):
Dies and I believe the reason why they held christie
body for ten to twelve hours is because that's how
long it takes GHB she out of your system. But
Christie was already dead. Her metabolism wasn't working, her blood

(36:41):
wasn't circulating, so it was still detectable. So them holding
on to her for as long as they did or
for and who knows what they did to her, because
it seemed like David Pears liked to have his women
basically like mannequins in a death position. And we've been

(37:08):
to hope that he does smut films and other type
of films. I don't know if he did. I can
only imagine what he did to my baby, and that
she was a human not a dog. I mean, you
wouldn't hear it's a dog. You know that they had

(37:28):
no care of human life. Brandon Osborne, it was like
an like an everyday Saturday morning your currns. There's something
to them, you know, so for to me. Also, that
makes Brandan even more responsible because he left with the

(37:50):
knowledge that someone was dead or dying or they couldn't
feel it, and all he had to do was call
an ambulance. All they had to do is call an ambulance,
and if they wanted to tell the story that the
girls were partying and you know, even though they were
partying with them and none of them overdosed, none of

(38:13):
them had all this in this system, you know, all
they had to call. But instead he came back and
they searched the beat in the net how to get
rid of a dead body, slash overdosed body without getting
in trouble, and they read it and did what they

(38:37):
found on the internet. They claimed they didn't know her.
They claimed that they found her in an alley and
just saw her and we're good Samaritans, and then threw
her body just like they threw her body over their
shoulder when they carried her out, like shoes trash. That's

(38:58):
how it makes me feel. She was a human being,
She was my daughter. She was a person, and neither
Brandon or David saw her as anything but and objects

(39:29):
that they could play with and that they were used to.
And I think Osborne had more to do with it.
He was his roommate. He knew what was going on.
At any time, you know, he could call the police.
He was free to leave the apartment, and he on
his own, freely came back and that's just like Michael.

(39:52):
Michael got out of the apartment, but Michael didn't call
the cops. Michael didn't call and the ambulance. And that
also break my heart that he couldn't even pick up
and say nine to one one and that there's a
dead girl and another one that's not doing so good
in an apartment that I just escaped from myself, and

(40:15):
the police would have shown up, and so giving them
ten to twelve hours to take my daughter's body. And
you know, no probably bathe, her wasster bleached, her douster
got rid of any have plenty of time, try to
get rid of any physical evidence on her using gloves

(40:38):
samous Hilda, and that they just sided not apartment, waiting
until the time limit for the gh B to be
out of her system, and then the myth threw her way.
But before that she was you know, lying on and

(41:00):
her are both lying together on the own a bed.
But the neighborhood pounding all day. That was Hilda. That
was not Christie. And that's just one of the neighbors
had called, they would have least been able to save Hilda.

(41:20):
I believe Christie's was a pretty quick overdose because he
mixed the toxicity that he mixed, and the combination was
a lethal like a shot like you do to somebody
looked at death penalty and that Christie went quickly. That's

(41:46):
what this mother praised, that she went quickly.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Dusty, We're so sorry for your loss and what you've
been through. There aren't words that can describe how difficult
the situation is for you, and we really appreciate you
sharing this with the listeners. Our thoughts and prayers are

(42:19):
with you and your family. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Let's bring back former district Attorney Josh Ritter. Josh, how
significant will Ansbo's testimony be?

Speaker 6 (42:33):
I don't think you can really understate how important Ansbach's
testimony is going to be. I mean, there's no way
around he is going to be the star witness for
the prosecution. And though this man's behavior I don't think
anyone could would categorize as being heroic that evening, he

(42:54):
certainly has an opportunity through his testimony at trial to
really do the right thing here and bring justice because
what he does, more importantly than anything, is fills in
all the gaps. He was an eyewitness to nearly everything
that took place. And though this investigation was very thorough

(43:15):
and they did an amazing job of trying to piece
together the events of that evening, there are still gaps
that Ansbach can provide to the jurors. He was with
Pierce when they met the girls, He was with Pierce
when he first tried started plying both Christy and Hilda

(43:40):
with drugs and alcohol. He was with them when they
were back at the house, and Pierce started mixing cocktails
that Ansbach talks about during his grand jury testimony as
tasting funny and something being off about it, and that
it even had incredibly negative effects on him and probably

(44:07):
most crucial and damning to Pierce, and perhaps even the
reason why this case is a murder case was a
statement made by Pierce that Ansbach will be able to
testify to where he said dead girls can't talk, and

(44:27):
what that tells us is what he intended. He realized
he could benefit and save himself if these girls were
actually dead, because if they survived, they could tell authorities
what had taken place, and he knew that would be
the end of him. So that alone, I think pushes

(44:51):
this case. If there was ever a doubt from manslaughter
into a murder, and without Ansbach's willingness to cooperate and testify,
you wonder if this case would still be having troubles
getting off of.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
The ground outside of Ansbach and the other victims. There
is also witness testimony regarding Pears and Osborne's actions that
night and what they shared with friends the next day.
David Marietta, the NCIS Los Angeles actor who spoke to
Osborne on set that day, also testify to the grand jury.

(45:33):
Marietta said that Osborne told him he just had the
craziest and wildest weekend of his life, but the conversation
took a turn when Osborne mentioned one of the girls
wasn't breathing. Marietta said Osborne told him the girls took
kennemine and began acting weird. He says he went to bed,

(45:53):
and the next day one of his roommates told him
one of the girls wasn't breathing. According to Marietta, Osborne
checked her pulse but couldn't find one and said she
was cold. Marietta said Osborne told him they were frantic
and wanted to call nine one one, but didn't. He

(46:14):
said they came up with the plan to roll the
woman up in a carpet or blanket and take her
to the hospital, removing the license plates from the car beforehand.
Marietta also said Osborne told him they were considering telling
the police that the girls just wandered into the property
drunk or under the influence of drugs. When they returned

(46:36):
home from the hospital, Osborne told Marietta they checked on
Hilda and found a faint pulse, so they took her
to a different hospital. Marietta said Osborne also told him
about the police search and told him it's a good
thing the back of the car wasn't searched because there
was a bag of money, and under the bag of

(46:56):
money there was a bunch of drugs, he said. Osborne
also talked about having one of the girl's cell phones
and how police could still track a phone even if
it's turned off. He told Marietta, they broke the phone
and ditched it. Okay, so let's break this down here.
Osborne and Marietta are on a TV set and Osborne

(47:22):
is braying about the night out with the coworker the
same day that Christy was found dead, and while Hilda
was in the hospital fighting for her life. He admitted
to not only planning to bring the girls to separate hospitals,
but based on what Marietta said, knowingly removing the license
plates from the car and coming up with an alibi

(47:47):
if the police asked how the girls got there. Osborne
also admitted to hiding drugs from the police and not
only possessing, but destroying one of the girl's cell phones
to avoid being tracked or in other words, destroying evidence.
And here he's telling the story to Marietta, so we

(48:11):
now know from the grandeury testimony that the phone was
held us. Let's welcome back Hilda, Marcella's sister Fernanda. Fernanda,
what was your reaction to learning Pearce and Osborne allegedly
kept and destroyed held a cell phone.

Speaker 8 (48:28):
I mean, I think for me again, it's pretty obvious,
like and then like why would they even do that
if they have nothing to hide? So there are like
so many things and so many facts that point to
this beyond the drugs, like as my mom already also said,

(48:49):
like at the hospital they were also telling us like
besides the drug is the fact that she was this
long amount of time without reading, without oxygen. So there
are like so many facts beyond this drugging, Like if
they had to just take them to the hospital sooner
and call nine one one doing something to help, things
might have turned differently, and instead they just cover. They

(49:12):
chose to cover their trucks, And yeah, I think that's
the choice that because my sister in christed their lives.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
The family will never know if things happen differently if
nine to one one was called right away, that their
loved ones could be here today. So many unanswered questions.
Josh Brand Osborne is charged with two counts of being
an accesserated murder. How did the prosecutors get to that

(49:44):
point knowing what Peers is charged with and the evidence
against him.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
I think the way that the DA finally laid this
case out in their heads and how they then eventually
arched it is the far more culpable person and the
person leading the charge and the person who was involved

(50:11):
in supplying narcotics dosed narcotics to these girls and an
obvious attempt to likely sexually assault them that then led
to their death was Pierce Osbourne. I think they didn't
have as much evidence that he was quote unquote in

(50:35):
on it. They may not have had evidence that Osborne
knew what was in the drugs being supplied to Christian Hilda,
and therefore proving his intent and willingness to participate in
the assault will probably prove more difficult for prosecutors. But

(50:58):
as far as evidence showing that he knew after the fact,
after the assault, after their near death and perhaps even
the likely death of Christy still at the apartment, he
didn't do the right thing. His decision at that point

(51:20):
was to preserve himself and cooperate with Pierce in trying
to cover this up and evade capture for the both
of them, and so realizing what they have as prosecutors,
what they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court,
they felt more comfortable in this theory, and I think
it's the right thing because I think it will make
both cases stronger against both of these gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
The prosecution also spoke to several forensic experts and criminalists
who conducted Christy and Hilda's autopsies and toxicology exams. Doctor
Terry Stockholm, a forensic toxicologist, testify to explain the effects
of drugs like GHB and how it caused victims to

(52:05):
experience periods of blacking out or memory loss. Doctor Stockholm
corroborated the witness testimony from Pierce's alleged victims as being
consistent with the effects of GHB. Christie's toxicology results revealed
a significant amount a fentanyl inner system. Doctor Stockholm said

(52:25):
that it was consistent with an overdose concentration and fell
within the range of typically observed fetanyl related fatalities. Additional
testing also confirmed the presence of GHB in Christie's system,
which doctor Stockholm said was not a fatal level on
its own, but an impairing amount that could cause significant

(52:48):
cognitive and physical impairment. Hilda's toxicology results are less clear
due to the amount of time that had passed before
the testing was done. Hilda's initial drug screening found a
presumptive positive for cocaine, fetanyl, methamphetamines, and MDMA Marisol Rodriguez.

(53:11):
The criminalists with the La County Department of the Medical
Examiner who conducted Hilda's toxicology tests testified that the blood
serum used to test Hilda's blood against fetanyl was an
insufficient amount, meaning they could determine if certain drugs were present.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Though it's worth.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Noting that doesn't mean that those drugs weren't present, just
that they weren't detected. Let's welcome back doctor J. Vargas,
toxicology expert and associate professor at California State University School
of Criminal Justice and Criminalistics in La. Doctor Vargus, how

(53:50):
common is it in the post mortem toxicology testing to
have insufficient samples?

Speaker 9 (53:55):
That is something that happens in medical examiner cases if
there's not enough sample, you know, unfortunately, and it's not
you know, the quantity is not sufficient to do all
the testing. But I think we can probably assume that
that there's a similar drug profile, likely for the two
and again very likely that ventanyl was the biggest driver

(54:18):
of that. Knowing that all these gentlemen needed to do
was to call nine one one, right, you know, when
you notice someone who is having a hard time breathing,
you know, you can look into their eyes. You can
see that they're and they and they may or may
not known this, right, but you can see their pupils

(54:38):
or pinpoint pinpoint pupils labored shallow breathing. You call nine
one one. Emergency responders would come. They have an a
lock zone, which is an opioid antagonist called a narcan
trade name, and it's very likely that these two these
two women could have could have revived this right, but

(55:02):
clearly they panicked, they didn't know what was going on,
and they decided to do what they thought was best. Unfortunately,
time is everything for these types of cases. Once you
stop breathing, of course, obviously that's not going to work
out well, and so we have the tragic outcomes in
both of these for both of these women.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
We do know that Christy had GHB in our system,
consistent with the stories of the other victims who were
all described taking a drink from peers, experiencing memory loss,
and allegedly being sexually assaulted. Trinka, you deal with GHB
cases a lot with your work on Project GHB. What

(55:43):
do you make of the presence of GHB and Christie's
toxicology report.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
The problem with GHB is the testing issue. It is
absolutely a critical issue and testing this is one of
the fastest drugs out of your system. It's gone from
lot in four hours, it's gone from here and in
twelve What percentage of sexual assault victims do we get
that fast? It's not so when you don't find it.

(56:12):
It doesn't mean it wasn't there. I'm not saying that,
oh it was always there. You dismissed it. But we
don't have really accurate statistics because if a victim wakes
up hours later, goes home, tries to ponder what happened,
is confused, and now she goes to the hospital and
it's been more than twelve hours since she took the drink,

(56:32):
you're not going to find GHB. That's why predators like it.
That's when they can always say consensual sex and she
can't say otherwise because of the memory loss. So it's
a very critical issue with GHB. So it's very complicated
to do the testing. That's why it is so popular
with sexual assault suspects. They study. They probably know more

(56:56):
than most cops about what drugs test for and how
long they stay in the system. This is why a
lot of times you will see a sexual assault lictim,
Like in cases like this, if a young lady sat
and died, they would have probably kept them around, you know,
kept them entertained for hours to be sure that if
they left, they wouldn't test positive for things like GHP.

(57:21):
And they know how long these drugs stay. They know
what they're doing. Unfortunately, many predators are quite educated on
drug testing.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
In our next episode, we reveal more from the grand
jury indictment, including potentially damning DNA evidence. We'll look ahead
to the upcoming criminal trial and what prosecutors will need
to show in order to prove David Pierce is guilty
of murder. Plus we'll hear from the families of Christy
and Hilda one more time as they prepare for the

(57:55):
criminal trial. I'm Kelly Hymen and this is Once Upon
a Crime and Hollywood Girls Night Out.