June 4, 2023 • 43 mins
Joining the show this week are Chris Galdieri, Professor of Political Science at St. Anselm College on the ever growing field of Presidential Candidates, plus we examine what Plan B might be for Democrats if Biden can't/decides not to continue his campaign. Then Alex LaCasse joins me as we discuss the not-so-great aspects of the debt ceiling deal, and the way the Boston Celtics stomped on our hearts.
Also, Justin gives his review of Guardian of the Galaxy 3 - all on this weeks OVERTIME!
Also, Justin gives his review of Guardian of the Galaxy 3 - all on this weeks OVERTIME!
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Welcome to over Time, the onlyshow that took a DNA test, and
it turns out we're one hundred percentthat bitch. I don't know quite how
that happened, but those were theresults. I'm Justiniccazack hosted the program today.
On the show, I'm gonna betalking to Chris Caltieri. He's a
political science professor from San An subCollege. You can hear me try to
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say political science professor without stuttering.It's not easy. I power through.
Why because that's who I am.I'm built different. That's why talk to
Chris about the growing number of candidatesin the mostly other Republican side. Didn't
Those of you that know me canimagine how I feel about all them folks.
But now we talk about that.Also talked about good buddy Alex the
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cass about the death ceiling. Whentaped with Alex, the Senate had not
pass the death ceiling raise. TheHouse had and display yeah, well you
listen to you listen Alex and Italk about it. We come from the
the the portion of the left that'slike, hey, do we have to
tell fifty five year olds that aredisabled that no work, no food.
We think maybe the government should justfeed people. Maybe maybe people should just
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be fed, which is a radicalposition in America in twenty twenty three.
But we discuss that, and wealso discussed the Celtics, uh what happened
to them? And we we're kindof depressed about it, as you can
imagine. So it's a very upliftingconversation. Is most conversations with me are
so a little mini movie review foryou. So over the weekend last weekend
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and when we reran, uh DavidRoth and Mike Whaley, I was in
Long Island. We always go toLong Island or the Long Island folks come
up this way for the major holidays. My wife's brother Brad, his wife
Stacy, their kiddos. We've spentevery holiday aside from the pandemic, for
the last I don't know, fifteenyears or so. And uh the sidebar,
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I really hit the lottery when itcomes to in laws. I like,
I really like, I really loveevery one of my laws except one.
They're like one out of fifteen beinga dud. It's as pretty good
ratio. But as part of thetrip to to Long Island, we went
and saw Guardians of the Galaxy three. Now, um, I am not
in favor of every movie being aMarvel movie. When the Marvel movie started
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coming up, it was nice refreshingchange. Somebody bought the Marvel franchises and
decided to make good movies out ofthem instead of crappy ones, and I
thought that was good and mean.You know, the early the Iron Men
movies were great, the uh,the the Avengers having now, but now
there's like one hundred and six ofthem, and you have to watch them
all at a certain order to keeptracking. I somewhere along the way,
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probably about like eight years ago,I stopped having to watch every single Marvel
movie. I was like, okay, I just I have other stuff going
on. I don't have time forthis. But the Guardians of the Galaxy
movie, the first one stuck upon people. It was a big spatch
hit. I didn't see the secondone. I figured it was gonna suck.
We once saw the third one andI really liked it. But I
have to tell you, here's mypublic service announcement for all my listeners to
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overtime. If you have kids underlet's say fifteen, right, I would
say fifteen nih and kids seem tohave been a little thrown back a few
years in the emotional maturity department sincethe pandemic, so maybe maybe even sixteen
just before warn It's real dark.I mean, it's got all the Guardians
of the Galaxy, like a backslappyjoke, humor, slapstick stuff like that.
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It's got all that too. Butalso there's a backstory and I'm not
gonna spoil it because I'm not thatguy. There's a backstory involving Rocket Raccoon,
and it's not just like one flashback. It's kind of like interspersed throughout
the throughout the movie of exactly wherehe came from and how he came to
be. And it is dark ashell, and there is some like violence
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involved that if you break a littlekid just before Warned, there at least
get a cry and then might besome nightmares involved. I'm just telling you
right now, it's it's it isnot a little kid movie. Marvel took
this Guardians movie. I think they'rerunning a little test to test here to
see, like can we get alittle more adult because all those people that
when saw these movies ten years agowhen they were twelve, they're now in
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their twenties and they want a little, a little more mature. It actually
kind of reminded me of when whenprofessional wrestling, the attitude there is said,
hey, what if we stopped doinga little kids' stories. It did
some real stuff, maybe a torturemetaphor, but I'll stick with it now.
All that being said, I thoughtit was very good, and this
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might be one of those ones Iactually watched the second time. Generally,
all the Marvel movies, not allof them, but most of them are
like two and a half hours long, and I didn't get time for that
either. Like, somehow I'll havetime to watch like three episodes of Secession
in a row, which is likethree and a half hours, But if
you give me one two and ahalf hour movie, I'm out. I
don't know how that happened, butwe do have to kind of get I
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say, we like you and Iare gonna go out and make a movie.
We gotta get some some some likeregular movies. Back in the fold,
I went to my kid's concert,my daughter's spring concert for Spaulding Band
in chorus. She's in the chorus, and whole other stories. This thing
was two hours and forty minutes,which is entirely too late. It went
till nine forty at night, andif you know what mean getting up for
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the morning show, I get upat the three forty five in the morning.
I was falling asleep at the end. My wife was very upset with
me, and I'm like, whatdo you want? It's nine thirty.
Lets the Celticstoriland step this lay.But anyway, the point is this.
The jazz band played the song allof Me. And there was a movie
in like nineteen eighty four with SteveMartin Lily Tomlin with a stupid premise that
ended up being, as I recall, fairly funny. Now I gotta watch
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again to see if it sucked ornot. It was called all of Me,
and the song that the band didwas a big part of the movie.
We're Lily Tomlin and Steve Martin.Their souls occupy the same body.
One controls the left, one controlsthe right. Right now, it's a
stupid premise that probably worked as faras I can remember. But you don't
see like a lot of dumb movieslike that anymore. We need more dumb
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movies. People used to just goto the movies before it costs fifteen dollars
to go see a movie, andthey would watch the dumb movie because it
was four bucks. I don't expectmovies to be four bucks. But here's
my two point plan as president aselected. A less Marvel movies, more
dumb movies, b movies a littlelonger. It cost fifteen dollars, they'll
cost eight eight dollars. Sounds reasonable. That should get me elected, or
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at least enough to challenge the resultsof the election. All right, enough
of that. Coming up next,you're gonna talk to your Chris Caldieri,
wicking smart dude. He's a professorof political science at Saint Anselm College.
We will discuss with him the growingfield of presidential candidates, which grows by
the day. That's coming up.Next, you're on overtime, keep it
here, joining me Yard over Time, professor of political science at Saint Anselm
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College, to discussed the ever multiplyingfield of presidential candidates, mostly on the
Republican side, we have a fewDemocrats as well. Chris Gldierica, Chris,
how you doing today? I'm good? Justin How are you? I'm
I'm outstanding. I managed to missRonda Santis in my hometown of Rochester on
Thursday. But I will say hegave a speech to the same building where
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when I was a former professional wrestlerI defeated Shane Sharp for the f RW
heavyweight titles. So that was prettyexciting, I'm sure for Governor de Santis,
I'm sure it was. He strikesme as a big wrestling fan.
Well, Florida is the home offul Cogan, right, so perhaps he's
yeah, yeah, but I'm alittle surprised where you know, next week
we're gonna see Chris Christy getting officially, we're gonna see former Vice President Mike
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Pence. His name escapes me,but the governor of North Dakota is going
to enter the race for some reason. But with one Kennedy Donald Trump on
the GOP side with fifty percent ifyou believe the polls right now, and
I've there's no reason not to.He has a lot of Republican support.
But what Kennedy dominating? You know, the narrative, the polls, everything
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else. Are you surprised so manyfolks are jumping in? Um, that's
a really good question, and Isort of am, and I'm sort of
not. Um, I think youknow you have this really weird dynamic with
the Republicans where Trump has this huge, very personal constituency, but you also
still have a lot of folks whowere skeptical of him or who were just
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exhausted by his time in office orthought January sixth there was a breaking point.
So it makes sense that there areother people running. The number of
them running is kind of fascinating,just because it suggests that people aren't really
afraid of Trump, and they're notreally afraid of De Santis either. H
You know, if if you werereally worried about one or the other of
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two, you might say, youknow what, I'm just going to sit
back and wait for twenty twenty eightto come along. But that doesn't seem
to be the case. And that'swhy you sort of have this everybody in
the pool thing happening this summer.So you say the candidates aren't afraid of
Trump, and I think the candidateswould say that as well, but nobody
will say his name, like nobodywill put his name on it. Whether
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they're talking about like, oh,the politics of losing or you know,
the divisiveness or whatever. They'll goright up to the line where they say
Donald Trump and then they won't sayDonald Trump. Maybe they're not afraid of
him, but afraid of his voters, who, as we've seen, there's
not really anything that will dissuade aTrump, a hardcore Trump voter. Yeah,
I think, I think, youknow, it's this really weird dynamic
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where they you know, as yousaid, he's like the Republican Voldemort.
You know, nobody will say hisname out loud, even though they're running
against him. And what's really weirdabout that is it's not like there aren't
things to attack. This is somebodywho, let's remember, has been indicted
for financial fraud in New York State, somebody who was found liable for defamation
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and sexual assault in the Gene Carrolcivil trial. He's probably going to be
indicted for his handling of classified documents. He's probably going to be indicted for
trying to change the outcome of theelection in Georgia. So it's not like
there aren't things to attack him over. But everybody, I think this really
reminds me of twenty sixteen. Everybodyis waiting for somebody else to do it.
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Everybody is waiting for somebody else tobe the one to actually attack Trump
as so I think what we're morelikely to see as a lot of these
people attacking each other. Right,So Nikki Haley will go after Ron de
Santis and Ronda Santis will you know, he'll allude to Trump but not talk
about it, but then he'll attack, you know, Chris and Nunu or
whomever. But I think, youknow, you know, until and unless
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somebody actually starts swinging directly at Trumpby name, he'll just keep floating above
it all. Yeah, to me, it doesn't make a ton of sense.
You know what, if I'm NickyHaley, what good does it do
me to go after when Chris Christiegets in? What do I get?
There? Again? All Chris Christie'ssupport and I'm at two percent, I'm
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Nicky Haley, and I convinced allthe Chris Christie supporters. Well, now
I'm at four percent. So whatdid I get? I guess I doubled
up, but I didn't really geta whole lot. I mean, go
after the big guns, right,it's right. If you can't get their
support, maybe you can knock themdown to their level. I don't get
it, And you're right, it'sexactly like twenty sixteen. Yeah, And
I think you know, if ifI'm one of these candidates, you know,
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you can attack without getting you know, really terribly personal. You can
do something like, you know,oh, gosh, you know, he's
earned his retirement, or we needto carry the torch now, or you
know, you know, do wereally want to be distracted by a criminal
trial in the middle of the presidentialcampaign? Or you know, what would
be best for the party would beif he could spend all of his time
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focusing on defending himself from these terrible, unjust prosecutions and that sort of thing
um. But instead they're just they'rejust terrified. And so I think you
have a bunch of folks who wantto fight it out for who gets to
be in second place, and youknow, that's just a terrible way to
run a campaign. We're talking withoutChris Caldieri from Saint Anselm College or a
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professor of political science. So thatkind of leads into my next question.
Is Chris Christie the guy that's gonnacome in and is he just on a
Elizabeth Warren in that one debate againstMike Bloomberg where she said, well,
you know I'm not gonna win,but you know who else is it gonna
win. Mike Bloomberg, is thatChris Christie's planning on doing the Donald Trump
In your opinion, it sure soundslike it. Um. I think this
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is somebody who um, you know, he's a fascinating figure. You know,
he was one of the first reallymainstream Republicans to endorse Trump. Uh,
he didn't didn't have a job inthe administration, but he advised the
twenty twenty campaign. So for youknow, he has some credentials for going
after Trump in a way that youknow, maybe somebody like Tim Scott doesn't
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give him right or somebody that's right. Yeah, yeah, he caught,
that's right. Christie got covid at. I want to say it was one
of the Amy Coney Barrett events.Yeah, uh, in the fall of
twenty twenty, and he was verysick with it, as I recall,
So you know, there might theremight be a personal aspect to it there
as well. But I think thebig thing um with Christy, as he's
saying, look, I'm actually goingto attack him. I'm actually going to,
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you know, head on say DonaldTrump should not be our candidate for
reasons X, Y, and Z, and I'm not going to be polite
about it. Yeah, um,I think he also seems to be staking
a lot on. Put me ona debate stage with Trump and I'll pummel
him, like you've never seen.The problem there is Trump might not debate.
Trump has been making noises about,well, maybe I just won't show
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up for a debate, Like whatwould be the benefit for me of standing
on stage with the governor of NorthDakota and the governor of New Hampshire and
the former governor of South Carolina.You know what's what's in it for me?
Let's just let them argue amongst themselvesand everybody every question will be about
me anyway. So this is alittle bit of a sidebar. But do
you think debates are going to becomea thing of the past on a national
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level? You know, when debatesfirst got going, you know, there's
one debate everybody thinks of his delicatedDouglas debates. And back then there's no
no TV. There were newspapers,but you know, the reports were delayed,
no radio, kind of telegraph,et cetera. So a debate was
really only chance to get in frontof voters and say look here I am,
here's what I'm all about YadA,YadA, YadA. Are we to
the point now where you see somuch of these candidates debates are unnecessary in
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the probably in the ISAAC candidates.But well, how do you do you
think we'll have national debates in thefuture Now? I think we will,
um, And I think candidates canget a lot from a debate. You
know, if you think back tothe last couple of cycles, you know,
debates are one of the only timeswhere everybody in the political world is
paying attention to the same thing.So if you're a candidate, if you're
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a long shot, that's your onemoment in the sun. If you are
a front runner, people are goingto tune in to see so are you
you know, is this just namerecognition? Do you actually have some chops?
Can you handle an attack? Youknow that that kind of thing.
Um, So, I do thinkthey provide a lot of benefit. What
I what I do think has happenedin recent years is they've just become these
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ridiculously slick and glossy and overproduced things. I mean, you know, even
twenty years ago, Um, youknow John McCain and George W. Bush
and other Republicans, you know,they would debate in public TV studios,
like you know, in old chairsin front of a you know, sort
of you know, kind of classybackdrop with some dying plants around them,
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and it was fine, right,it was just totally fine. Now wrestle
media, yeah, right exactly.Or it looks like you know, like
a Star Trek set or something,um where it's just you know, CNN
will or whomever we'll spend you know, two million dollars on a set for
this sort of thing. Um.You know, we've posted debates here and
they they you know, take overthe hockey arena and build not just a
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stage but seating for hundreds of people, and it's just it is just the
weirdest thing to be in the audiencefor one of them, because it's like
you know, uh, you know, it's it's the who's who of whichever
parties debated is so you can see, oh, that's you know, there's
the president of the state Senate.There's somebody who wants to be governor.
Oh, there's this there's this congresswomanfrom Kansas. Why is she here?
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Who knows? But everybody's running overto get a selfie. Uh, and
it's just this really really strange thing. Um, plus we have them earlier
and earlier us. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, if you go
back a few cycles, you know, there was one debate in two thousand
and twelve where most of the maincandidates hadn't announced yet, so it was
like Tim Paul Lenty and Rick Santorum. Uh and uh you know some of
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those other other folks whose names Ican't remember because that was you know,
over ten years ago, right,Um, so you sort of, you
know, candidates don't get time tojust sort of wander around and make mistakes
and figure out what their messages anymore. Um. Instead, it's like,
okay, you you announced two daysago. Great, you're on a debate
stage, and you know, go, that could be somebody who's, yeah,
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who's never had national television exposure before, and I don't think that's great
for candidates. Chris Caldieri is joiningus here in overtime, professor of political
science at Saint Anselm College. Youmentioned Rock say at Tom He's actually gonna
be part of my next question,believe it or not. So Rod de
santass in New Hampshire this past week. Um, obviously he has an extreme
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I would call it an extreme righta Jenna when it comes to social issues.
As someone whose daughter is gay andhas a lot of trans friends,
I take a lot of those verypersonally. So maybe my point of view
is not, you know, rightdown the center on this, But to
me, I don't think he's gonnahave a ton of success in New Hampshire
because your Hampshire doesn't really uh doesn'treally dig on those on those uh you
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know, build a bridge to theseventeenth century social issues. Rick Santorum was
the example I was gonna give.He came in here saying, uh,
you know, gay marriage was likegetting married to a dog or beastiality,
and he didn't go very far.Am I just taking this a little too
personally? Or can you see NewHampshire voters kind of rejecting this, uh,
this anti LGBTQ plus anti you know, Disney, anti anything that's not
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a right wing agenda message he's carrying. Yeah. I think Sandis is playing
um in really dangerous territory here.Um. You know, not just in
terms of the effect on uh individualsin Florida and beyond um, you know,
which is just I think horrible,um, but also, as you
said, a lot of New Hampshirevoters are even Republicans are, you know,
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sort of smaller libertarians where their mainconcern is lower taxes and less regulation
and that sort of thing, ratherthan cultural issues and especially cultural issues that
are being pushed on such a justwith such a hard edge, like you're
getting from to Santis. And Ithink it's telling that, you know,
Donald Trump the other day said somethingto the effect of, what what do
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people mean when they say woke?They just say woke, woke, woke?
What does that mean? What areyou talking about? And I think
it's it's hard to it's easy toforget this now. But in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, there were a lotof issues where Trump was running well
to the left of where Republicans usuallyare. He was critical of George W.
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Bush's foreign policy. He said thingslike, well, we can't cut
Medicare, we can't cut Social Security. We we you know, we need
to get rid of Obamacare, butwe can't have people dying in the streets,
which you know passes for a liberalposition in the Republican primary. Medical
yeah, yeah, god um,But I think you know, Trump does
have this, you know, abilityto you know, figure out how to
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make himself look more centrist and lookmore moderate. And I think, you
know, that is something that couldhelp him in a Republican primary. Um.
And I think you know, he'slooked to draw contrasts with to Santis,
and I think one of the waysyou do that is to push De
Santis into that you know, farfar right corner where he seems to be
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pretty comfortable. But you know,it's sort of you know, maybe that
helps him in subsequent states. Butyou know, let's imagine a world where
the Santist gets to the general election. This is somebody who's signed a six
week abortion band. This is somebodywho's you know, talking about pulling books
out of out of public schools andlimiting teaching about history and race and that
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sort of thing. Um. Idon't see that as being, you know,
a great asset going into a generalelection. I mean, look at
twenty twenty two. Look at howhard right, how poorly Um. A
lot of candidates running on those sortsof platforms did um outside of places like
Florida. Um. You know,if I'm the Biden campaign, the ads
you know right themselves. Yeah,And I know, and of course,
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you know, someone like me who'spretty far on the left gets upset by
this. But I can also seeif de Santis is the nominee, uh,
somebody in Ohio saying something like,hey, my groundwater is still poisoned.
Why do I care if people?If you're gonna have something, why
don't I want you checking the genitalsof someone using the wrong bathroom When I
can't drink the water in my backyard? Can you focus on something that affects
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me. I can certainly see thatmaybe not enough to sway a lot of
voters, but maybe enough that wouldcost to Santis a general election. Yeah,
And I think that's, you know, that's what Democrats are hoping for.
I think, you know, thereare a lot of Democrats who think
if Trump's the nominee, their jobis very easy. But even if it
does wind up being to Santis orsomebody else, I think their hope is
to rerun the twenty twenty two playbook, which was, no, we're not
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perfect, but you know we're we'redoing things that matter to your life.
You know, we're you know,getting the economy back going after the recession.
We're you know, doing stuff formanufacturing jobs, and you know,
federal contractors have to buy stuff inAmerica, and we think, if you
know, you win an election,you just win an election, and if
you lose an election, you losean election. And you know, I
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think I think there's probably something tothat that worked pretty well for a lot
of Democrats last year. Yeah,even someone like me who's far on the
left, it gets frustrated with Democratswhen the message is you know, it's
also the fascist that's still pretty compellingto somebody like me. Got a few
minutes touch with Chris called the areaof sant Ansem College, professor of political
science. Really with a few minutesleft. If Joe Biden is obviously running
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for president, he is eighty yearsold, so a lot could change in
a year and a half before thegeneral election if if he should uh,
you know, if he should becomeill or incapacitated, which you know is
something that could happen. I mean, it could happened to a seventy six
year old, but it's more likelywith someone that's eighty years old. I
don't think Robert F. Kennedy Junioris a viable choice, and I'm I'm
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sure Mary and Williamson is the personwho do you think would step up into
that role. Would would it beVice President Harris or would be somebody else
that kind of takes the reins andit gets the blessing of the party to
run in his stead. Yeah.And I think a lot depends on,
you know, in this hypothetical,the nature of the incapacitation. Right.
If it's the kind of thing wherehe is fine to finish the term,
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but it's not a good idea forhim to run again, then I think
you have something close to a freefor all in the primaries. If it's
the sort of thing where he's justno longer able to be president or something,
Uh, then Kamala Harris is theincumbent president. I think it's really
hard to see anybody uh dislodging her, um, especially on such short notice.
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Um, you know, if youhave a situation where she's you know,
in the position that say Lyndon Johnsonwas in in nineteen sixty four,
right, Um, I think it'sjust you know, congratulations, you're the
nominee. Yeah. And I nono threat of like a gret Gretchen Whitmer
or a Gavin Newsom stepping up sayinghey I'm over here, let's go.
Yeah. I think expectfully right,right, No, But I think I
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think under those circumstances, then thejockeying would be, so who is going
to be the running mate, Who'sgoing to be vice president? Um?
But I think, you know,if you do have a situation where you
know, just um, Biden's doctorssay, let's say, you know,
sir, you can finish your term, but you if you run again,
you won't see the end of termnumber two. Um, I think that's
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where you get Yeah, yeah,Harris runs, but Soda Whitmer, Soda
Newsom. You know, I thinkthey're an awful lot. Well, we
saw in twenty twenty there are anawful lot of Democrats who, um,
you know, look in the mirrorevery morning and see a president staring back
at them. And I think theDemocratic bench u is in surprisingly good shape
because they did so well in themidterms last year. So you know,
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folks like you know, Whitmer gotreelected. You have folks like um,
Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, who Ithink is very likely to be a presidential
candidate at some point in the future. So I think, you know,
there there are a lot of folksout there. But it would depend a
lot on what the circumstances were andyou know what was going on. I'd
like to see John Federman run forpresident only because I'd like to see a
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president that looked like he battled HaystacksCalhoun in a steel cage at Madison Square
Garden. But that's just me.But uh yeah, he is the most
Western Pennsylvania person in Western Pennsylvania.You know, there's there's just nobody more
Yinzer than John Fetterman. You'd loveto see it. Chris Caldiery, thanks
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so much for doing this and Ihope you can do this again soon.
Happy to be here, justin anytime. That was Chris Callediera, professor of
political science at Saint in Some College. Coming up next, we'll talk to
Alex Lecass about Celtics heartbreak and thedead ceiling all that coming up on overtime
give me here. Joining me hereon overtime is an old friend, friend
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of the program and freelance journalist,the one, the only, Alex Lecass.
What's going on, Alex, Icome to you north of the border,
justin or otherwise parts unknown for herein Toronto, America's hands. I
don't even know. I've been theout of the I've been in a Canada
Twitter news news hole and it didn't. I don't even know if the deads
he only get solved. Well,it passed the House. We're taking this
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on Thursday morning, and it gotpassed last night through the House of Representatives.
Oh yes, I did read that. Oh you dad? Okay?
Good? Yeah, So I wasmaking a making exaggerate a point. I
don't know how news gets controlled nowby Elon Musks. So all I do
is follow the people I follow onTwitter, and I don't look at the
other stuff. So I don't knowif he's as censored anything other than you
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know, the when the Saudi governmentarrest people for speaking out against society government
because he's back by the Saudi government. But anyway, that's a that's a
road we don't have to go downright now. But yeah, so the
death ceiling passed the House. Iguess we'll start there. Everybody seems to
be upset about it, except fortwo people, Joe Biden and Kevin McCarthy.
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So I will say I'm hardened becausethe worst people in the world seem
to be upset by the passage throughthe House. But also a lot of
people I whose opinion I like andsupport. What is your early early analysis
on what's good about this, what'sbad about this? What do you think?
Well? I think we need togo to the Republicans own words,
um that for this, they viewedthis is a hostage negotiation the entire time
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and not rather you know, um, you know, let me just oppose
that with my experience here in Canada. Canada still makes COVID tests available to
people because you know, why woulda country just do practical things, um,
to make their society is slightly it'sjust a marginally better place here,
uh, you know here with theRepublicans. Yes, so they've viewed this
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is a in Matt Gates's own words, um, why would we negotiate with
our own hostage? Right? Um? And that's really what this was from
the start. And we have youknow, work requirements now in this bill.
You know, Bernie Sanders said youyou wouldn't vote for it in the
Senate. But this is the Conservatives, like they always do. They they
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hold out and then Democrats have toretreat right or tack right every time in
order to get government functioning. Whichthat's a problem because one part one party
doesn't see themselves as a co governingpartner. Yeah, if these negotiations are
the biggest one happened back of theObama administration where one of one of the
things of Barack Obama did that youknow, Democrats and progressives and leftists all
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seemed to like, was looked atthe Republican Party said go ahead drive.
It caught me off a cliff.You're you're the driver's see, everyone knows
this as you doing it. Goahead and see what happens. And they
they blinked on that. But JoeBiden here, I think, wanted to
get this out of the way,done and dusted so we didn't have to
deal with a headache during a reelection campaign, so made a few more
compromises than even maybe I think hewould have liked to have done in a
(28:44):
perfect world. But yeah, it'sI don't I don't quite understand why every
time Lucy takes the football away,the Democrats look and say, maybe if
we negotiate in good faith this time, Lucy will keep the football there and
we'll be able to kick it.It just it it doesn't ever seem to
work out. Well, no,it never does. And you know,
yeah, we keep having this issuewhere wherever Republicans are in charge, they
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turn the dial to the right asmuch as they can, and the Democrats
just stop it from going back left. It's this ratchet effect in American politics
that sees, you know, thatis moving our country, you know,
further and further to these dreams.Yeah. And so you mentioned the work
requirements, which seems to be thething that's that's passed. Well, other
than the another fifty billion dollars towardsthe already eight hundred billion dollars military budget,
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I guess they're getting another fifty fiftyfive you know, what's what's five
billion among friends? Are fifty fivebillion among friends? But the work requirements
for food stamps. Uh, itreally seems to be just cruelty for the
sake of being cruel. It's offeciallyespecially going to affect aging middle aged folks
that you know will now have toyou know, show that they're working or
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attempting to work to receive snap benefits, which for a lot of the folks
that are getting them that are disabledor not really able to work, this
is going to be a crisis,right, No, I absolutely, and
you know, any economists will tellyou that work requirements don't work, and
it's it's one of those things whereor it's kind of more of that conservative
(30:15):
red meat that's in this bill,say, well, at least we got
work requirements. And that's what youknow, the Republicans are telling themselves who
voted for this bill, even thoughall of them are criticizing it. Yeah,
it's one of those things where,I maybe it's just an America's specific
thing, but Americans really don't likepoor people to have like any room to
breathe, like you have to.You know, if if poor people have
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a cell phone or if they havea TV, uh, that's you know,
that's really looked down upon. It. It's speaking that it's spoken of
as a pejorative or if poor peoplearen't working ninety hours a week, it's,
uh, they're they're considered to belazy. It really funels me.
I don't think it's like that inthe rest of the world. And you
know, by then, by thesame token, Silicon Valley Bank doesn't need
(30:57):
to do proper due diligence with theirballot sheet, and so there's definitely this
asymmetry of um. There's two systemsof laws, one for bankers and the
people in power Clarence Thomas, HarlanCrowe, what have you. And then
there's this a very very um punitivesystem for the working poor. Yeah,
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if I was going to look forways to get money back, the first
place I have a look, whowould be the defense budget. There was
a couple of audits recently they said, you know, a surprise, surprise,
defense contractors are are really you know, bilking the American taxpayer by you
know, they sell the army thesethese parts and these machines, oftentimes for
(31:40):
things they don't really need or want, and then they make the parts that
are the replacement parts. They chargelike five times what it should actually cost
for a replacement part. And thisis why your defense budget ends up being
eight hundred and fifty five or whateverit is, billion dollars, which is
much more than anybody's right. Andyou need the operated. The key where
they're being is audit. The Pentagoncan't pass an audit. There's a there's
(32:02):
a law in the books from theHW administration, I believe it's called the
Chief Chief Chief Financial Officers Act,and that means that every federal department of
the government was subject to an audit. The DT is the only every government
operation that cannot pass an audit rightnow, and so it's been out of
compliance for going on call it thirtythe better part of thirty years. And
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I think by conservative estimates, Ithink anywhere from forty to sixty percent of
the Pentagon budget is waste rodden abuse. And so whenever we're talking about how
to trim government spending somehow, thatthat number is never brought up, and
it's it's beyond maddening. And that'sa bipartisan thing where you know, I
(32:50):
expect Republicans to be bad, soI don't get mad at them for doing
well. I do get mad,but I don't get as mad at them
for doing dumb stuff like continually inflatingthe Pentagon budget and then screaming about needing
to cut stuff elsewhere. It's whenDemocrats do it, you know, they
just do sign off. You know, nobody goes through the Pentagon's budget with
a fine tooth comb. Nobody seemsto do any of that, and they're
just like, yeah, increased dependingout budget, that's fine. They don't
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want to look weak. That's whatdrives me out of my mind. Oh
yes, yea who needs enemies withfriends like that exactly. We're talking to
Alex lacass He is a freelance journalistand also a big Green teamer, so
that we're gonna make the easy pivotfrom the debt ceiling Alex to the the
the the debt of the championship debt. We've only had this something's only had
(33:37):
one title the last uh really onetitle since one's the last one they won
eighty yeah, only one since oheight, Oh yeah, that's the only
one. Got close a few times, and then this year, of course,
got down three to the heats,managed to climb out of that somehow.
They try to lose Game six withall their might and then just absolutely
laid an egg in Game seven athome and it didn't help the Jason to
(34:00):
him get hurt thirty seconds into thegame. But Jaylen Brown, my goodness,
talk about coming up as small aspossible when the lights were the brightest.
He was poised for a Supermax dealand I think he might have just
kicked it away. What's give itto themselves at least fifty million dollars without
performance in game seven. Yeah,justin the last time I was on this
program, I said I'd like tosee his talent, but I don't trust
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them, and I didn't think thosewords would come to haunt me. By
going down three nothing to an eightseed in the Eastern Conference Finals, like
I was telling my buddy, Ifelt like Dante from the Clerks, not
even I'm not even supposed to behere today. Here we are like you
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spot the heat two games, youlose three games at home in the conference
finals, like you don't deserve tobe an NBA champion. That's just the
long and short of it. Andthis was a like you mentioned, this
is a real opportunity for Jalen Brownto show that, yes, this is
a partnership. Our our number one, our alpha at least alpha scorer goes
down in Tatum, Now let meput this team on my back and get
us to the NBA Finals. Andhe had more turnovers than field goals and
(35:07):
so not great. I'm a brokenman right now, justin like I was
such a I was such a believerin this talent, this team, and
for them to not go back tothe finals when this was a golden road
for them to do so, noBucks, the Bucks get knocked off in
the first round. You could drawthose rats from Philadelphia in the second round.
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It took seven games to beat them, which and then I guess al
Horber had to stop practice after theypulled out of that series. So that
should have been the first sign ofthings to come. And then you absolutely
lay an egg in the Eastern ConferenceFinals and spot the worst team two games
at home, and that's really inexcusable. And so yeah, they should have
been up two games to none.They should have won the first two games.
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They kicked those away. I didn'tthink the Heat were going to be
easy, just because you know,we've we've kind of seen this story before.
I as much as I scratching lastor two, I didn't know it
was going to be three off thebat, right. Yeah. I mean,
as much as I hate the MiamiHeat and pat Riley, I really
like Eric Spolstro, I really likeJimmy Butler when he's not playing against my
team. But but I knew.I knew it was gonna be It wasn't
(36:12):
gonna be easy, but I thoughtthey would win in six, maybe seven.
But it was It was just madding. It didn't holpe that Malcolm Brogden
got hurt. He was trying togut it out, but you know,
he was a big piece. ButI mean, did they resign Jalen Brown.
He's gonna want a supermax deal,and I don't think that it's war.
You know, when he's gonna begetting sixty million dollars in like the
sixth year of a supermax deal,I don't think that's anywhere you're worth it
(36:36):
for him. He can't go tohis left for God's sake, right,
I don't think wake Grosspec knowing thathe didn't want to fire Brad Stevens and
a stead mad him president of basketballoperations. People calling from Zooma's head.
He's got three more years on hiscontract, which Grosspec doesn't like spending money
that he doesn't have to, right, And I just can't see the Celtics
(36:57):
making Jalen Brown the highest paid NBAplayer this offseason. You know, think
about everything that went into this season. This is the year that Bill Russell
died for Christ's sakes, um andthe organization. Yet again, this this
team of players show that they're notmentally tough and up to the task.
And it's a it's it's a reallya sober thought to utter, but it's,
(37:22):
uh, it's just there's something withthe mix. So you know you're
gonna fire. You're gonna fire thisguy with ears on his term in Missoula.
Bringing another coach coaches in four years. I don't think they can do
it right. It's kind it's comingdown to the players at this point.
Even though I don't like Missoula,I don't like this. You know,
(37:42):
running gun, just jack up threesand you know, let the chips fall
where they may like. That's that'snot coaching, that's not running an offense.
That's yeah, yeah, you needto be the Golden State Warriors.
When the Warriors had two generational shooters. You know, you know what makes
me the most mad about this becauseI I agree Jim was probably should go,
but he can't go. And myfavorite player, or at least favorite
(38:04):
player, Marcus Smart was basically coachingthe team down the stretch, calling timeouts
for Joe Missoula or maybe there wasa buzzer attached to him from Wick Rose
or from Brad Stevens like joltiman tocalling a time out. But they've made
sound like an old man now,which I kind of am. I get
that, but it's like they're notrunning any plays they're shooting two marty bad
threes. I don't want to soundlike an old bastard, but they're making
(38:25):
me do it, and I don'tlike it. No. And that was
the thing, Like they got upfive points in that first quarter in Game
seven, and they stopped playing.They just started jacking up threes like,
oh, we'll figure this out.Yeah, like these will these will stop,
these will start dropping, which Imean all of these, you know,
all the nerds, the analytics.This is all based on a long
(38:45):
term view, not a possession bypossession in a win in a do or
die game seven, you know,right, over forty games. Yeah,
eventually it's gonna even out. Whenyou've got forty eight minutes you don't have
time for I asked the was thenineteen Rockets that they're the eight I can't
remember which year was of this,twenty two threes in a row or twenty
five threes in a row? Askthem out waiting for one to go wait,
waiting for one to go down?Right, Absolutely, it's that's it's
(39:07):
hard. It's a hard watch.And they don't value the basketball on our
own offense either. Two turnovers,all right, so where do they go?
So we don't think Jalen Brown's gonnaget a Supermax. I think I
think you bring Tata back. Ithink he's fine. Uh, he's never
gonna be the dog you want.But that's just not who he is.
He's all too much JD. Drewand him personality wise for me. But
but I don't know if that's thefirst time that I don't know the first
(39:30):
time that's comparison has been made.I didn't like it because I like Jason
Tatum, I don't like J D. Drew. But uh, but yeah,
what else? I like? MalcolmBrockden Cood stay, Marcus Smart can
stay against your protestations? Uh wherewhere else did they go from here?
So you can still Barrimond. Youcan't still offer Jalen Brown a max contract.
It may just come next off seasonif he's if he's not going to
(39:51):
sign whatever extension. I think yousaw this. Do you offer him extension
but it's not gonna be even afull max deal? Yeah? Um so
for me, And this is wherewe're going to disagree. But I need
to see what the team looks.I need to see what the looks mix
looks like without Marcus Smart. Ineed a a useful big big man who
(40:12):
spells minutes for Rod Williams and AlHorford during the regular season, because how
much while we're gonna rely on AlHorford's legs. And I think Marcus Smart
is the only piece you can tearoff without completely knooping the core. And
I just like, I don't likehis shot selection. I don't like I
don't like the hero ball thing.And like, I understand getting that shot
(40:35):
up in Game six when you knowthe team didn't get a shot off in
Philadelphia with a chance to win thegame, but Eric White was wide open
street cutting to the basket. Heblew by Max Scrus And you know,
maybe then the Yips come in ifSmart dumps them the ball. But it's
still like, why is why isMarcus Smart the one taking that shot with
three seconds in your season on theline. He's the only done That's why
(40:57):
not his role to be when they'reall everybody else is a I was gonna
say a swear, but I don'tfeel like going back and bleep when they're
when they're chicken bleep. You knowwhat I'm saying. Yo, I know,
I know, but I just thinklike someone else can do that role
and maybe someone else has a littleless ego in it when they do it
too. Listen, how dear.Yeah, we're gonna fistfight about Marcus Smart
one day, and I will notregret it even though you're right. Consider
(41:20):
you're a good friend. Alexacast joiningus uh here on overtime. All right,
so before we let you go,give us something to feel good about.
What where can we find your work? What are you? What are
you working on? What's going onin alexcass land? Yeah? So on
Twitter, Lacass underscore journal, gyou are n o in journal. Also
(41:43):
a sub stack substack on Alexander Lacassdot com. All right, we're going
to anything big here are you?You are keeping it hush hush whatever you're
working on until it comes out,or to keep those cards all the close
to the vest the stay tuned.All right, all right, we'll look
forward to alex sticks for covering theprogram talking about two depressing subjects. Nobody
I'd rather get sad with than you, buddy. Right back at you,
(42:04):
Jina, thanks so much for havingme as always, Welcome back to overtime.
We're running out of show pretty quickhere. I want to take my
guests up professor are a political scienceover at santing in some college. Chris
Caldieri, make sure you follow himon Twitter and all that. Alex Lacass,
my good buddy, freelance journalist,Green Teamer. Follow him at a
(42:25):
Lacass underscore journal on Twitter. He'sgot a sports podcast which keeps telling me
I'm gonna be on and I keepnot being on it. So I'm gonna
take this opportunity to call him adirty liar. But you still follow him
and read all this stuff. He'sa good dude. And fun fact about
Alex, he's an eagle scout.Yeah that you didn't know that A make
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Welcome to over Time, the onlyshow that took a DNA test, and
it turns out we're one hundred percentthat bitch. I don't know quite how
that happened, but those were theresults. I'm Justiniccazack hosted the program today.
On the show, I'm gonna betalking to Chris Caltieri. He's a
political science professor from San An subCollege. You can hear me try to
(00:31):
say political science professor without stuttering.It's not easy. I power through.
Why because that's who I am.I'm built different. That's why talk to
Chris about the growing number of candidatesin the mostly other Republican side. Didn't
Those of you that know me canimagine how I feel about all them folks.
But now we talk about that.Also talked about good buddy Alex the
(00:52):
cass about the death ceiling. Whentaped with Alex, the Senate had not
pass the death ceiling raise. TheHouse had and display yeah, well you
listen to you listen Alex and Italk about it. We come from the
the the portion of the left that'slike, hey, do we have to
tell fifty five year olds that aredisabled that no work, no food.
We think maybe the government should justfeed people. Maybe maybe people should just
(01:15):
be fed, which is a radicalposition in America in twenty twenty three.
But we discuss that, and wealso discussed the Celtics, uh what happened
to them? And we we're kindof depressed about it, as you can
imagine. So it's a very upliftingconversation. Is most conversations with me are
so a little mini movie review foryou. So over the weekend last weekend
(01:40):
and when we reran, uh DavidRoth and Mike Whaley, I was in
Long Island. We always go toLong Island or the Long Island folks come
up this way for the major holidays. My wife's brother Brad, his wife
Stacy, their kiddos. We've spentevery holiday aside from the pandemic, for
the last I don't know, fifteenyears or so. And uh the sidebar,
(02:02):
I really hit the lottery when itcomes to in laws. I like,
I really like, I really loveevery one of my laws except one.
They're like one out of fifteen beinga dud. It's as pretty good
ratio. But as part of thetrip to to Long Island, we went
and saw Guardians of the Galaxy three. Now, um, I am not
in favor of every movie being aMarvel movie. When the Marvel movie started
(02:25):
coming up, it was nice refreshingchange. Somebody bought the Marvel franchises and
decided to make good movies out ofthem instead of crappy ones, and I
thought that was good and mean.You know, the early the Iron Men
movies were great, the uh,the the Avengers having now, but now
there's like one hundred and six ofthem, and you have to watch them
all at a certain order to keeptracking. I somewhere along the way,
(02:46):
probably about like eight years ago,I stopped having to watch every single Marvel
movie. I was like, okay, I just I have other stuff going
on. I don't have time forthis. But the Guardians of the Galaxy
movie, the first one stuck upon people. It was a big spatch
hit. I didn't see the secondone. I figured it was gonna suck.
We once saw the third one andI really liked it. But I
have to tell you, here's mypublic service announcement for all my listeners to
(03:09):
overtime. If you have kids underlet's say fifteen, right, I would
say fifteen nih and kids seem tohave been a little thrown back a few
years in the emotional maturity department sincethe pandemic, so maybe maybe even sixteen
just before warn It's real dark.I mean, it's got all the Guardians
of the Galaxy, like a backslappyjoke, humor, slapstick stuff like that.
(03:32):
It's got all that too. Butalso there's a backstory and I'm not
gonna spoil it because I'm not thatguy. There's a backstory involving Rocket Raccoon,
and it's not just like one flashback. It's kind of like interspersed throughout
the throughout the movie of exactly wherehe came from and how he came to
be. And it is dark ashell, and there is some like violence
(03:53):
involved that if you break a littlekid just before Warned, there at least
get a cry and then might besome nightmares involved. I'm just telling you
right now, it's it's it isnot a little kid movie. Marvel took
this Guardians movie. I think they'rerunning a little test to test here to
see, like can we get alittle more adult because all those people that
when saw these movies ten years agowhen they were twelve, they're now in
(04:15):
their twenties and they want a little, a little more mature. It actually
kind of reminded me of when whenprofessional wrestling, the attitude there is said,
hey, what if we stopped doinga little kids' stories. It did
some real stuff, maybe a torturemetaphor, but I'll stick with it now.
All that being said, I thoughtit was very good, and this
(04:35):
might be one of those ones Iactually watched the second time. Generally,
all the Marvel movies, not allof them, but most of them are
like two and a half hours long, and I didn't get time for that
either. Like, somehow I'll havetime to watch like three episodes of Secession
in a row, which is likethree and a half hours, But if
you give me one two and ahalf hour movie, I'm out. I
don't know how that happened, butwe do have to kind of get I
(05:00):
say, we like you and Iare gonna go out and make a movie.
We gotta get some some some likeregular movies. Back in the fold,
I went to my kid's concert,my daughter's spring concert for Spaulding Band
in chorus. She's in the chorus, and whole other stories. This thing
was two hours and forty minutes,which is entirely too late. It went
till nine forty at night, andif you know what mean getting up for
(05:20):
the morning show, I get upat the three forty five in the morning.
I was falling asleep at the end. My wife was very upset with
me, and I'm like, whatdo you want? It's nine thirty.
Lets the Celticstoriland step this lay.But anyway, the point is this.
The jazz band played the song allof Me. And there was a movie
in like nineteen eighty four with SteveMartin Lily Tomlin with a stupid premise that
ended up being, as I recall, fairly funny. Now I gotta watch
(05:42):
again to see if it sucked ornot. It was called all of Me,
and the song that the band didwas a big part of the movie.
We're Lily Tomlin and Steve Martin.Their souls occupy the same body.
One controls the left, one controlsthe right. Right now, it's a
stupid premise that probably worked as faras I can remember. But you don't
see like a lot of dumb movieslike that anymore. We need more dumb
(06:02):
movies. People used to just goto the movies before it costs fifteen dollars
to go see a movie, andthey would watch the dumb movie because it
was four bucks. I don't expectmovies to be four bucks. But here's
my two point plan as president aselected. A less Marvel movies, more
dumb movies, b movies a littlelonger. It cost fifteen dollars, they'll
cost eight eight dollars. Sounds reasonable. That should get me elected, or
(06:27):
at least enough to challenge the resultsof the election. All right, enough
of that. Coming up next,you're gonna talk to your Chris Caldieri,
wicking smart dude. He's a professorof political science at Saint Anselm College.
We will discuss with him the growingfield of presidential candidates, which grows by
the day. That's coming up.Next, you're on overtime, keep it
here, joining me Yard over Time, professor of political science at Saint Anselm
(07:06):
College, to discussed the ever multiplyingfield of presidential candidates, mostly on the
Republican side, we have a fewDemocrats as well. Chris Gldierica, Chris,
how you doing today? I'm good? Justin How are you? I'm
I'm outstanding. I managed to missRonda Santis in my hometown of Rochester on
Thursday. But I will say hegave a speech to the same building where
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when I was a former professional wrestlerI defeated Shane Sharp for the f RW
heavyweight titles. So that was prettyexciting, I'm sure for Governor de Santis,
I'm sure it was. He strikesme as a big wrestling fan.
Well, Florida is the home offul Cogan, right, so perhaps he's
yeah, yeah, but I'm alittle surprised where you know, next week
we're gonna see Chris Christy getting officially, we're gonna see former Vice President Mike
(07:51):
Pence. His name escapes me,but the governor of North Dakota is going
to enter the race for some reason. But with one Kennedy Donald Trump on
the GOP side with fifty percent ifyou believe the polls right now, and
I've there's no reason not to.He has a lot of Republican support.
But what Kennedy dominating? You know, the narrative, the polls, everything
(08:13):
else. Are you surprised so manyfolks are jumping in? Um, that's
a really good question, and Isort of am, and I'm sort of
not. Um, I think youknow you have this really weird dynamic with
the Republicans where Trump has this huge, very personal constituency, but you also
still have a lot of folks whowere skeptical of him or who were just
(08:37):
exhausted by his time in office orthought January sixth there was a breaking point.
So it makes sense that there areother people running. The number of
them running is kind of fascinating,just because it suggests that people aren't really
afraid of Trump, and they're notreally afraid of De Santis either. H
You know, if if you werereally worried about one or the other of
(08:58):
two, you might say, youknow what, I'm just going to sit
back and wait for twenty twenty eightto come along. But that doesn't seem
to be the case. And that'swhy you sort of have this everybody in
the pool thing happening this summer.So you say the candidates aren't afraid of
Trump, and I think the candidateswould say that as well, but nobody
will say his name, like nobodywill put his name on it. Whether
(09:18):
they're talking about like, oh,the politics of losing or you know,
the divisiveness or whatever. They'll goright up to the line where they say
Donald Trump and then they won't sayDonald Trump. Maybe they're not afraid of
him, but afraid of his voters, who, as we've seen, there's
not really anything that will dissuade aTrump, a hardcore Trump voter. Yeah,
I think, I think, youknow, it's this really weird dynamic
(09:39):
where they you know, as yousaid, he's like the Republican Voldemort.
You know, nobody will say hisname out loud, even though they're running
against him. And what's really weirdabout that is it's not like there aren't
things to attack. This is somebodywho, let's remember, has been indicted
for financial fraud in New York State, somebody who was found liable for defamation
(10:03):
and sexual assault in the Gene Carrolcivil trial. He's probably going to be
indicted for his handling of classified documents. He's probably going to be indicted for
trying to change the outcome of theelection in Georgia. So it's not like
there aren't things to attack him over. But everybody, I think this really
reminds me of twenty sixteen. Everybodyis waiting for somebody else to do it.
(10:28):
Everybody is waiting for somebody else tobe the one to actually attack Trump
as so I think what we're morelikely to see as a lot of these
people attacking each other. Right,So Nikki Haley will go after Ron de
Santis and Ronda Santis will you know, he'll allude to Trump but not talk
about it, but then he'll attack, you know, Chris and Nunu or
whomever. But I think, youknow, you know, until and unless
(10:50):
somebody actually starts swinging directly at Trumpby name, he'll just keep floating above
it all. Yeah, to me, it doesn't make a ton of sense.
You know what, if I'm NickyHaley, what good does it do
me to go after when Chris Christiegets in? What do I get?
There? Again? All Chris Christie'ssupport and I'm at two percent, I'm
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Nicky Haley, and I convinced allthe Chris Christie supporters. Well, now
I'm at four percent. So whatdid I get? I guess I doubled
up, but I didn't really geta whole lot. I mean, go
after the big guns, right,it's right. If you can't get their
support, maybe you can knock themdown to their level. I don't get
it, And you're right, it'sexactly like twenty sixteen. Yeah, And
I think you know, if ifI'm one of these candidates, you know,
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you can attack without getting you know, really terribly personal. You can
do something like, you know,oh, gosh, you know, he's
earned his retirement, or we needto carry the torch now, or you
know, you know, do wereally want to be distracted by a criminal
trial in the middle of the presidentialcampaign? Or you know, what would
be best for the party would beif he could spend all of his time
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focusing on defending himself from these terrible, unjust prosecutions and that sort of thing
um. But instead they're just they'rejust terrified. And so I think you
have a bunch of folks who wantto fight it out for who gets to
be in second place, and youknow, that's just a terrible way to
run a campaign. We're talking withoutChris Caldieri from Saint Anselm College or a
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professor of political science. So thatkind of leads into my next question.
Is Chris Christie the guy that's gonnacome in and is he just on a
Elizabeth Warren in that one debate againstMike Bloomberg where she said, well,
you know I'm not gonna win,but you know who else is it gonna
win. Mike Bloomberg, is thatChris Christie's planning on doing the Donald Trump
In your opinion, it sure soundslike it. Um. I think this
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is somebody who um, you know, he's a fascinating figure. You know,
he was one of the first reallymainstream Republicans to endorse Trump. Uh,
he didn't didn't have a job inthe administration, but he advised the
twenty twenty campaign. So for youknow, he has some credentials for going
after Trump in a way that youknow, maybe somebody like Tim Scott doesn't
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give him right or somebody that's right. Yeah, yeah, he caught,
that's right. Christie got covid at. I want to say it was one
of the Amy Coney Barrett events.Yeah, uh, in the fall of
twenty twenty, and he was verysick with it, as I recall,
So you know, there might theremight be a personal aspect to it there
as well. But I think thebig thing um with Christy, as he's
saying, look, I'm actually goingto attack him. I'm actually going to,
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you know, head on say DonaldTrump should not be our candidate for
reasons X, Y, and Z, and I'm not going to be polite
about it. Yeah, um,I think he also seems to be staking
a lot on. Put me ona debate stage with Trump and I'll pummel
him, like you've never seen.The problem there is Trump might not debate.
Trump has been making noises about,well, maybe I just won't show
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up for a debate, Like whatwould be the benefit for me of standing
on stage with the governor of NorthDakota and the governor of New Hampshire and
the former governor of South Carolina.You know what's what's in it for me?
Let's just let them argue amongst themselvesand everybody every question will be about
me anyway. So this is alittle bit of a sidebar. But do
you think debates are going to becomea thing of the past on a national
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level? You know, when debatesfirst got going, you know, there's
one debate everybody thinks of his delicatedDouglas debates. And back then there's no
no TV. There were newspapers,but you know, the reports were delayed,
no radio, kind of telegraph,et cetera. So a debate was
really only chance to get in frontof voters and say look here I am,
here's what I'm all about YadA,YadA, YadA. Are we to
the point now where you see somuch of these candidates debates are unnecessary in
(14:31):
the probably in the ISAAC candidates.But well, how do you do you
think we'll have national debates in thefuture Now? I think we will,
um, And I think candidates canget a lot from a debate. You
know, if you think back tothe last couple of cycles, you know,
debates are one of the only timeswhere everybody in the political world is
paying attention to the same thing.So if you're a candidate, if you're
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a long shot, that's your onemoment in the sun. If you are
a front runner, people are goingto tune in to see so are you
you know, is this just namerecognition? Do you actually have some chops?
Can you handle an attack? Youknow that that kind of thing.
Um, So, I do thinkthey provide a lot of benefit. What
I what I do think has happenedin recent years is they've just become these
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ridiculously slick and glossy and overproduced things. I mean, you know, even
twenty years ago, Um, youknow John McCain and George W. Bush
and other Republicans, you know,they would debate in public TV studios,
like you know, in old chairsin front of a you know, sort
of you know, kind of classybackdrop with some dying plants around them,
(15:37):
and it was fine, right,it was just totally fine. Now wrestle
media, yeah, right exactly.Or it looks like you know, like
a Star Trek set or something,um where it's just you know, CNN
will or whomever we'll spend you know, two million dollars on a set for
this sort of thing. Um.You know, we've posted debates here and
they they you know, take overthe hockey arena and build not just a
(16:00):
stage but seating for hundreds of people, and it's just it is just the
weirdest thing to be in the audiencefor one of them, because it's like
you know, uh, you know, it's it's the who's who of whichever
parties debated is so you can see, oh, that's you know, there's
the president of the state Senate.There's somebody who wants to be governor.
Oh, there's this there's this congresswomanfrom Kansas. Why is she here?
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Who knows? But everybody's running overto get a selfie. Uh, and
it's just this really really strange thing. Um, plus we have them earlier
and earlier us. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, if you go
back a few cycles, you know, there was one debate in two thousand
and twelve where most of the maincandidates hadn't announced yet, so it was
like Tim Paul Lenty and Rick Santorum. Uh and uh you know some of
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those other other folks whose names Ican't remember because that was you know,
over ten years ago, right,Um, so you sort of, you
know, candidates don't get time tojust sort of wander around and make mistakes
and figure out what their messages anymore. Um. Instead, it's like,
okay, you you announced two daysago. Great, you're on a debate
stage, and you know, go, that could be somebody who's, yeah,
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who's never had national television exposure before, and I don't think that's great
for candidates. Chris Caldieri is joiningus here in overtime, professor of political
science at Saint Anselm College. Youmentioned Rock say at Tom He's actually gonna
be part of my next question,believe it or not. So Rod de
santass in New Hampshire this past week. Um, obviously he has an extreme
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I would call it an extreme righta Jenna when it comes to social issues.
As someone whose daughter is gay andhas a lot of trans friends,
I take a lot of those verypersonally. So maybe my point of view
is not, you know, rightdown the center on this, But to
me, I don't think he's gonnahave a ton of success in New Hampshire
because your Hampshire doesn't really uh doesn'treally dig on those on those uh you
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know, build a bridge to theseventeenth century social issues. Rick Santorum was
the example I was gonna give.He came in here saying, uh,
you know, gay marriage was likegetting married to a dog or beastiality,
and he didn't go very far.Am I just taking this a little too
personally? Or can you see NewHampshire voters kind of rejecting this, uh,
this anti LGBTQ plus anti you know, Disney, anti anything that's not
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a right wing agenda message he's carrying. Yeah. I think Sandis is playing
um in really dangerous territory here.Um. You know, not just in
terms of the effect on uh individualsin Florida and beyond um, you know,
which is just I think horrible,um, but also, as you
said, a lot of New Hampshirevoters are even Republicans are, you know,
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sort of smaller libertarians where their mainconcern is lower taxes and less regulation
and that sort of thing, ratherthan cultural issues and especially cultural issues that
are being pushed on such a justwith such a hard edge, like you're
getting from to Santis. And Ithink it's telling that, you know,
Donald Trump the other day said somethingto the effect of, what what do
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people mean when they say woke?They just say woke, woke, woke?
What does that mean? What areyou talking about? And I think
it's it's hard to it's easy toforget this now. But in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, there were a lotof issues where Trump was running well
to the left of where Republicans usuallyare. He was critical of George W.
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Bush's foreign policy. He said thingslike, well, we can't cut
Medicare, we can't cut Social Security. We we you know, we need
to get rid of Obamacare, butwe can't have people dying in the streets,
which you know passes for a liberalposition in the Republican primary. Medical
yeah, yeah, god um,But I think you know, Trump does
have this, you know, abilityto you know, figure out how to
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make himself look more centrist and lookmore moderate. And I think, you
know, that is something that couldhelp him in a Republican primary. Um.
And I think you know, he'slooked to draw contrasts with to Santis,
and I think one of the waysyou do that is to push De
Santis into that you know, farfar right corner where he seems to be
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pretty comfortable. But you know,it's sort of you know, maybe that
helps him in subsequent states. Butyou know, let's imagine a world where
the Santist gets to the general election. This is somebody who's signed a six
week abortion band. This is somebodywho's you know, talking about pulling books
out of out of public schools andlimiting teaching about history and race and that
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sort of thing. Um. Idon't see that as being, you know,
a great asset going into a generalelection. I mean, look at
twenty twenty two. Look at howhard right, how poorly Um. A
lot of candidates running on those sortsof platforms did um outside of places like
Florida. Um. You know,if I'm the Biden campaign, the ads
you know right themselves. Yeah,And I know, and of course,
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you know, someone like me who'spretty far on the left gets upset by
this. But I can also seeif de Santis is the nominee, uh,
somebody in Ohio saying something like,hey, my groundwater is still poisoned.
Why do I care if people?If you're gonna have something, why
don't I want you checking the genitalsof someone using the wrong bathroom When I
can't drink the water in my backyard? Can you focus on something that affects
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me. I can certainly see thatmaybe not enough to sway a lot of
voters, but maybe enough that wouldcost to Santis a general election. Yeah,
And I think that's, you know, that's what Democrats are hoping for.
I think, you know, thereare a lot of Democrats who think
if Trump's the nominee, their jobis very easy. But even if it
does wind up being to Santis orsomebody else, I think their hope is
to rerun the twenty twenty two playbook, which was, no, we're not
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perfect, but you know we're we'redoing things that matter to your life.
You know, we're you know,getting the economy back going after the recession.
We're you know, doing stuff formanufacturing jobs, and you know,
federal contractors have to buy stuff inAmerica, and we think, if you
know, you win an election,you just win an election, and if
you lose an election, you losean election. And you know, I
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think I think there's probably something tothat that worked pretty well for a lot
of Democrats last year. Yeah,even someone like me who's far on the
left, it gets frustrated with Democratswhen the message is you know, it's
also the fascist that's still pretty compellingto somebody like me. Got a few
minutes touch with Chris called the areaof sant Ansem College, professor of political
science. Really with a few minutesleft. If Joe Biden is obviously running
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for president, he is eighty yearsold, so a lot could change in
a year and a half before thegeneral election if if he should uh,
you know, if he should becomeill or incapacitated, which you know is
something that could happen. I mean, it could happened to a seventy six
year old, but it's more likelywith someone that's eighty years old. I
don't think Robert F. Kennedy Junioris a viable choice, and I'm I'm
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sure Mary and Williamson is the personwho do you think would step up into
that role. Would would it beVice President Harris or would be somebody else
that kind of takes the reins andit gets the blessing of the party to
run in his stead. Yeah.And I think a lot depends on,
you know, in this hypothetical,the nature of the incapacitation. Right.
If it's the kind of thing wherehe is fine to finish the term,
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but it's not a good idea forhim to run again, then I think
you have something close to a freefor all in the primaries. If it's
the sort of thing where he's justno longer able to be president or something,
Uh, then Kamala Harris is theincumbent president. I think it's really
hard to see anybody uh dislodging her, um, especially on such short notice.
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Um, you know, if youhave a situation where she's you know,
in the position that say Lyndon Johnsonwas in in nineteen sixty four,
right, Um, I think it'sjust you know, congratulations, you're the
nominee. Yeah. And I nono threat of like a gret Gretchen Whitmer
or a Gavin Newsom stepping up sayinghey I'm over here, let's go.
Yeah. I think expectfully right,right, No, But I think I
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think under those circumstances, then thejockeying would be, so who is going
to be the running mate, Who'sgoing to be vice president? Um?
But I think, you know,if you do have a situation where you
know, just um, Biden's doctorssay, let's say, you know,
sir, you can finish your term, but you if you run again,
you won't see the end of termnumber two. Um, I think that's
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where you get Yeah, yeah,Harris runs, but Soda Whitmer, Soda
Newsom. You know, I thinkthey're an awful lot. Well, we
saw in twenty twenty there are anawful lot of Democrats who, um,
you know, look in the mirrorevery morning and see a president staring back
at them. And I think theDemocratic bench u is in surprisingly good shape
because they did so well in themidterms last year. So you know,
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folks like you know, Whitmer gotreelected. You have folks like um,
Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania, who Ithink is very likely to be a presidential
candidate at some point in the future. So I think, you know,
there there are a lot of folksout there. But it would depend a
lot on what the circumstances were andyou know what was going on. I'd
like to see John Federman run forpresident only because I'd like to see a
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president that looked like he battled HaystacksCalhoun in a steel cage at Madison Square
Garden. But that's just me.But uh yeah, he is the most
Western Pennsylvania person in Western Pennsylvania.You know, there's there's just nobody more
Yinzer than John Fetterman. You'd loveto see it. Chris Caldiery, thanks
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so much for doing this and Ihope you can do this again soon.
Happy to be here, justin anytime. That was Chris Callediera, professor of
political science at Saint in Some College. Coming up next, we'll talk to
Alex Lecass about Celtics heartbreak and thedead ceiling all that coming up on overtime
give me here. Joining me hereon overtime is an old friend, friend
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of the program and freelance journalist,the one, the only, Alex Lecass.
What's going on, Alex, Icome to you north of the border,
justin or otherwise parts unknown for herein Toronto, America's hands. I
don't even know. I've been theout of the I've been in a Canada
Twitter news news hole and it didn't. I don't even know if the deads
he only get solved. Well,it passed the House. We're taking this
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on Thursday morning, and it gotpassed last night through the House of Representatives.
Oh yes, I did read that. Oh you dad? Okay?
Good? Yeah, So I wasmaking a making exaggerate a point. I
don't know how news gets controlled nowby Elon Musks. So all I do
is follow the people I follow onTwitter, and I don't look at the
other stuff. So I don't knowif he's as censored anything other than you
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know, the when the Saudi governmentarrest people for speaking out against society government
because he's back by the Saudi government. But anyway, that's a that's a
road we don't have to go downright now. But yeah, so the
death ceiling passed the House. Iguess we'll start there. Everybody seems to
be upset about it, except fortwo people, Joe Biden and Kevin McCarthy.
(26:47):
So I will say I'm hardened becausethe worst people in the world seem
to be upset by the passage throughthe House. But also a lot of
people I whose opinion I like andsupport. What is your early early analysis
on what's good about this, what'sbad about this? What do you think?
Well? I think we need togo to the Republicans own words,
um that for this, they viewedthis is a hostage negotiation the entire time
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and not rather you know, um, you know, let me just oppose
that with my experience here in Canada. Canada still makes COVID tests available to
people because you know, why woulda country just do practical things, um,
to make their society is slightly it'sjust a marginally better place here,
uh, you know here with theRepublicans. Yes, so they've viewed this
(27:33):
is a in Matt Gates's own words, um, why would we negotiate with
our own hostage? Right? Um? And that's really what this was from
the start. And we have youknow, work requirements now in this bill.
You know, Bernie Sanders said youyou wouldn't vote for it in the
Senate. But this is the Conservatives, like they always do. They they
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hold out and then Democrats have toretreat right or tack right every time in
order to get government functioning. Whichthat's a problem because one part one party
doesn't see themselves as a co governingpartner. Yeah, if these negotiations are
the biggest one happened back of theObama administration where one of one of the
things of Barack Obama did that youknow, Democrats and progressives and leftists all
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seemed to like, was looked atthe Republican Party said go ahead drive.
It caught me off a cliff.You're you're the driver's see, everyone knows
this as you doing it. Goahead and see what happens. And they
they blinked on that. But JoeBiden here, I think, wanted to
get this out of the way,done and dusted so we didn't have to
deal with a headache during a reelection campaign, so made a few more
compromises than even maybe I think hewould have liked to have done in a
(28:44):
perfect world. But yeah, it'sI don't I don't quite understand why every
time Lucy takes the football away,the Democrats look and say, maybe if
we negotiate in good faith this time, Lucy will keep the football there and
we'll be able to kick it.It just it it doesn't ever seem to
work out. Well, no,it never does. And you know,
yeah, we keep having this issuewhere wherever Republicans are in charge, they
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turn the dial to the right asmuch as they can, and the Democrats
just stop it from going back left. It's this ratchet effect in American politics
that sees, you know, thatis moving our country, you know,
further and further to these dreams.Yeah. And so you mentioned the work
requirements, which seems to be thething that's that's passed. Well, other
than the another fifty billion dollars towardsthe already eight hundred billion dollars military budget,
(29:27):
I guess they're getting another fifty fiftyfive you know, what's what's five
billion among friends? Are fifty fivebillion among friends? But the work requirements
for food stamps. Uh, itreally seems to be just cruelty for the
sake of being cruel. It's offeciallyespecially going to affect aging middle aged folks
that you know will now have toyou know, show that they're working or
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attempting to work to receive snap benefits, which for a lot of the folks
that are getting them that are disabledor not really able to work, this
is going to be a crisis,right, No, I absolutely, and
you know, any economists will tellyou that work requirements don't work, and
it's it's one of those things whereor it's kind of more of that conservative
(30:15):
red meat that's in this bill,say, well, at least we got
work requirements. And that's what youknow, the Republicans are telling themselves who
voted for this bill, even thoughall of them are criticizing it. Yeah,
it's one of those things where,I maybe it's just an America's specific
thing, but Americans really don't likepoor people to have like any room to
breathe, like you have to.You know, if if poor people have
(30:36):
a cell phone or if they havea TV, uh, that's you know,
that's really looked down upon. It. It's speaking that it's spoken of
as a pejorative or if poor peoplearen't working ninety hours a week, it's,
uh, they're they're considered to belazy. It really funels me.
I don't think it's like that inthe rest of the world. And you
know, by then, by thesame token, Silicon Valley Bank doesn't need
(30:57):
to do proper due diligence with theirballot sheet, and so there's definitely this
asymmetry of um. There's two systemsof laws, one for bankers and the
people in power Clarence Thomas, HarlanCrowe, what have you. And then
there's this a very very um punitivesystem for the working poor. Yeah,
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if I was going to look forways to get money back, the first
place I have a look, whowould be the defense budget. There was
a couple of audits recently they said, you know, a surprise, surprise,
defense contractors are are really you know, bilking the American taxpayer by you
know, they sell the army thesethese parts and these machines, oftentimes for
(31:40):
things they don't really need or want, and then they make the parts that
are the replacement parts. They chargelike five times what it should actually cost
for a replacement part. And thisis why your defense budget ends up being
eight hundred and fifty five or whateverit is, billion dollars, which is
much more than anybody's right. Andyou need the operated. The key where
they're being is audit. The Pentagoncan't pass an audit. There's a there's
(32:02):
a law in the books from theHW administration, I believe it's called the
Chief Chief Chief Financial Officers Act,and that means that every federal department of
the government was subject to an audit. The DT is the only every government
operation that cannot pass an audit rightnow, and so it's been out of
compliance for going on call it thirtythe better part of thirty years. And
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I think by conservative estimates, Ithink anywhere from forty to sixty percent of
the Pentagon budget is waste rodden abuse. And so whenever we're talking about how
to trim government spending somehow, thatthat number is never brought up, and
it's it's beyond maddening. And that'sa bipartisan thing where you know, I
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expect Republicans to be bad, soI don't get mad at them for doing
well. I do get mad,but I don't get as mad at them
for doing dumb stuff like continually inflatingthe Pentagon budget and then screaming about needing
to cut stuff elsewhere. It's whenDemocrats do it, you know, they
just do sign off. You know, nobody goes through the Pentagon's budget with
a fine tooth comb. Nobody seemsto do any of that, and they're
just like, yeah, increased dependingout budget, that's fine. They don't
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want to look weak. That's whatdrives me out of my mind. Oh
yes, yea who needs enemies withfriends like that exactly. We're talking to
Alex lacass He is a freelance journalistand also a big Green teamer, so
that we're gonna make the easy pivotfrom the debt ceiling Alex to the the
the the debt of the championship debt. We've only had this something's only had
(33:37):
one title the last uh really onetitle since one's the last one they won
eighty yeah, only one since oheight, Oh yeah, that's the only
one. Got close a few times, and then this year, of course,
got down three to the heats,managed to climb out of that somehow.
They try to lose Game six withall their might and then just absolutely
laid an egg in Game seven athome and it didn't help the Jason to
(34:00):
him get hurt thirty seconds into thegame. But Jaylen Brown, my goodness,
talk about coming up as small aspossible when the lights were the brightest.
He was poised for a Supermax dealand I think he might have just
kicked it away. What's give itto themselves at least fifty million dollars without
performance in game seven. Yeah,justin the last time I was on this
program, I said I'd like tosee his talent, but I don't trust
(34:22):
them, and I didn't think thosewords would come to haunt me. By
going down three nothing to an eightseed in the Eastern Conference Finals, like
I was telling my buddy, Ifelt like Dante from the Clerks, not
even I'm not even supposed to behere today. Here we are like you
(34:42):
spot the heat two games, youlose three games at home in the conference
finals, like you don't deserve tobe an NBA champion. That's just the
long and short of it. Andthis was a like you mentioned, this
is a real opportunity for Jalen Brownto show that, yes, this is
a partnership. Our our number one, our alpha at least alpha scorer goes
down in Tatum, Now let meput this team on my back and get
us to the NBA Finals. Andhe had more turnovers than field goals and
(35:07):
so not great. I'm a brokenman right now, justin like I was
such a I was such a believerin this talent, this team, and
for them to not go back tothe finals when this was a golden road
for them to do so, noBucks, the Bucks get knocked off in
the first round. You could drawthose rats from Philadelphia in the second round.
(35:28):
It took seven games to beat them, which and then I guess al
Horber had to stop practice after theypulled out of that series. So that
should have been the first sign ofthings to come. And then you absolutely
lay an egg in the Eastern ConferenceFinals and spot the worst team two games
at home, and that's really inexcusable. And so yeah, they should have
been up two games to none.They should have won the first two games.
(35:50):
They kicked those away. I didn'tthink the Heat were going to be
easy, just because you know,we've we've kind of seen this story before.
I as much as I scratching lastor two, I didn't know it
was going to be three off thebat, right. Yeah. I mean,
as much as I hate the MiamiHeat and pat Riley, I really
like Eric Spolstro, I really likeJimmy Butler when he's not playing against my
team. But but I knew.I knew it was gonna be It wasn't
(36:12):
gonna be easy, but I thoughtthey would win in six, maybe seven.
But it was It was just madding. It didn't holpe that Malcolm Brogden
got hurt. He was trying togut it out, but you know,
he was a big piece. ButI mean, did they resign Jalen Brown.
He's gonna want a supermax deal,and I don't think that it's war.
You know, when he's gonna begetting sixty million dollars in like the
sixth year of a supermax deal,I don't think that's anywhere you're worth it
(36:36):
for him. He can't go tohis left for God's sake, right,
I don't think wake Grosspec knowing thathe didn't want to fire Brad Stevens and
a stead mad him president of basketballoperations. People calling from Zooma's head.
He's got three more years on hiscontract, which Grosspec doesn't like spending money
that he doesn't have to, right, And I just can't see the Celtics
(36:57):
making Jalen Brown the highest paid NBAplayer this offseason. You know, think
about everything that went into this season. This is the year that Bill Russell
died for Christ's sakes, um andthe organization. Yet again, this this
team of players show that they're notmentally tough and up to the task.
And it's a it's it's a reallya sober thought to utter, but it's,
(37:22):
uh, it's just there's something withthe mix. So you know you're
gonna fire. You're gonna fire thisguy with ears on his term in Missoula.
Bringing another coach coaches in four years. I don't think they can do
it right. It's kind it's comingdown to the players at this point.
Even though I don't like Missoula,I don't like this. You know,
(37:42):
running gun, just jack up threesand you know, let the chips fall
where they may like. That's that'snot coaching, that's not running an offense.
That's yeah, yeah, you needto be the Golden State Warriors.
When the Warriors had two generational shooters. You know, you know what makes
me the most mad about this becauseI I agree Jim was probably should go,
but he can't go. And myfavorite player, or at least favorite
(38:04):
player, Marcus Smart was basically coachingthe team down the stretch, calling timeouts
for Joe Missoula or maybe there wasa buzzer attached to him from Wick Rose
or from Brad Stevens like joltiman tocalling a time out. But they've made
sound like an old man now,which I kind of am. I get
that, but it's like they're notrunning any plays they're shooting two marty bad
threes. I don't want to soundlike an old bastard, but they're making
(38:25):
me do it, and I don'tlike it. No. And that was
the thing, Like they got upfive points in that first quarter in Game
seven, and they stopped playing.They just started jacking up threes like,
oh, we'll figure this out.Yeah, like these will these will stop,
these will start dropping, which Imean all of these, you know,
all the nerds, the analytics.This is all based on a long
(38:45):
term view, not a possession bypossession in a win in a do or
die game seven, you know,right, over forty games. Yeah,
eventually it's gonna even out. Whenyou've got forty eight minutes you don't have
time for I asked the was thenineteen Rockets that they're the eight I can't
remember which year was of this,twenty two threes in a row or twenty
five threes in a row? Askthem out waiting for one to go wait,
waiting for one to go down?Right, Absolutely, it's that's it's
(39:07):
hard. It's a hard watch.And they don't value the basketball on our
own offense either. Two turnovers,all right, so where do they go?
So we don't think Jalen Brown's gonnaget a Supermax. I think I
think you bring Tata back. Ithink he's fine. Uh, he's never
gonna be the dog you want.But that's just not who he is.
He's all too much JD. Drewand him personality wise for me. But
but I don't know if that's thefirst time that I don't know the first
(39:30):
time that's comparison has been made.I didn't like it because I like Jason
Tatum, I don't like J D. Drew. But uh, but yeah,
what else? I like? MalcolmBrockden Cood stay, Marcus Smart can
stay against your protestations? Uh wherewhere else did they go from here?
So you can still Barrimond. Youcan't still offer Jalen Brown a max contract.
It may just come next off seasonif he's if he's not going to
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sign whatever extension. I think yousaw this. Do you offer him extension
but it's not gonna be even afull max deal? Yeah? Um so
for me, And this is wherewe're going to disagree. But I need
to see what the team looks.I need to see what the looks mix
looks like without Marcus Smart. Ineed a a useful big big man who
(40:12):
spells minutes for Rod Williams and AlHorford during the regular season, because how
much while we're gonna rely on AlHorford's legs. And I think Marcus Smart
is the only piece you can tearoff without completely knooping the core. And
I just like, I don't likehis shot selection. I don't like I
don't like the hero ball thing.And like, I understand getting that shot
(40:35):
up in Game six when you knowthe team didn't get a shot off in
Philadelphia with a chance to win thegame, but Eric White was wide open
street cutting to the basket. Heblew by Max Scrus And you know,
maybe then the Yips come in ifSmart dumps them the ball. But it's
still like, why is why isMarcus Smart the one taking that shot with
three seconds in your season on theline. He's the only done That's why
(40:57):
not his role to be when they'reall everybody else is a I was gonna
say a swear, but I don'tfeel like going back and bleep when they're
when they're chicken bleep. You knowwhat I'm saying. Yo, I know,
I know, but I just thinklike someone else can do that role
and maybe someone else has a littleless ego in it when they do it
too. Listen, how dear.Yeah, we're gonna fistfight about Marcus Smart
one day, and I will notregret it even though you're right. Consider
(41:20):
you're a good friend. Alexacast joiningus uh here on overtime. All right,
so before we let you go,give us something to feel good about.
What where can we find your work? What are you? What are
you working on? What's going onin alexcass land? Yeah? So on
Twitter, Lacass underscore journal, gyou are n o in journal. Also
(41:43):
a sub stack substack on Alexander Lacassdot com. All right, we're going
to anything big here are you?You are keeping it hush hush whatever you're
working on until it comes out,or to keep those cards all the close
to the vest the stay tuned.All right, all right, we'll look
forward to alex sticks for covering theprogram talking about two depressing subjects. Nobody
I'd rather get sad with than you, buddy. Right back at you,
(42:04):
Jina, thanks so much for havingme as always, Welcome back to overtime.
We're running out of show pretty quickhere. I want to take my
guests up professor are a political scienceover at santing in some college. Chris
Caldieri, make sure you follow himon Twitter and all that. Alex Lacass,
my good buddy, freelance journalist,Green Teamer. Follow him at a
(42:25):
Lacass underscore journal on Twitter. He'sgot a sports podcast which keeps telling me
I'm gonna be on and I keepnot being on it. So I'm gonna
take this opportunity to call him adirty liar. But you still follow him
and read all this stuff. He'sa good dude. And fun fact about
Alex, he's an eagle scout.Yeah that you didn't know that A make
sure you if you missed any ofthe show. You can, of course
(42:45):
download the podcast and all your favoritepodcast apps, including the iHeart Radio app.
You can also leave the show talkbacksif you listen on the iHeart Radio
app. If you listen live,there's a little microphone gimmick you click that
you can yell at me. Youcan send me recipes for cookies, whatever
you want, and if anything's anygood, maybe I'll play it on next
(43:06):
week's show and respond to you andbrate you and make fun of you or
agree with you. If you saygood things about me. So yeah,
listen to the podcast, leave ussome talkbacks, leave a five star for
youew all that other sort of crap. We will catch up with you next
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he's bad people pretending to be good. Punks are good people pretending to be bad
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