July 22, 2023 • 43 mins
Chris Galdieri NH of St. Anselm College joins Justin to discuss the NH Governor's race which got SPICY this week with Governor Sununu's announcement that he will not seek a 5th term.
Then former Congressman & Host of the "White Flag" podcast Joe Walsh comes on to discuss what the future of the GOP might look like, and somehow a Super Bowl bet happens near the end.
Then former Congressman & Host of the "White Flag" podcast Joe Walsh comes on to discuss what the future of the GOP might look like, and somehow a Super Bowl bet happens near the end.
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Welcome to over Time, the onlyradio show to have signed the Berlin Wall
just before it was knocked down.That's true, we can look it up.
My name is Jess mcconsick's devastatingly handsomeand humble host. On today's show,
we talked to you Chris Galdieria Assistantprofessor Political Science or in Sandingseum College,
about the governor's race in New Hampshire, which got spicy this week because
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Governor Sender who declared he would notrun for a fifth term, and then
Chuck Morris almost immediately decided he wasrunning for governor as well. Joyce Craig
and Cindy Wormington are already in therace and more are expected to follow us.
So we talked about that. Alsotalked to Joe Walsh, former congressman
from Illinois, super Maga dude turnedanti Magadude, who you probably see on
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Twitter and CNN and all that otherstuff. So we talked to him about
where the Republican Party might be headed, and somehow also make a bet about
the Super Bowl. We call thata big market tease in the business,
so you'll have to stick around tohear what that's all about. But glad
to be back. Last week,drove out to Indianapolis and then back.
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I don't recommend doing that. It'sa long drive. On the way out.
My son Cam drove for part ofit. But I think one of
my one of my dad features.Yeah, every year as a father,
you get new dad features and youdon't know what they're gonna be until you
get them. And I think oneof mine is I don't trust my kids
to drive with me in the car. And even though Cam's a I would
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say for a nineteen year old,a decent driver, it still was like,
well, we're going to Indianapolis,I'll drive the whole damn thing.
So I let him drive for likethree or four hours of the fifteen and
a half or so it took toget out there. The drive back was
an absolute nightmare. Well, Ishould rephrase that. Once we got to
the New York Massachusetts border, itwas an absolute nightmare. So I guess,
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like the last two and a halfthree hours, we're not great.
Apparently they're chewing up every part ofthe mass Pike and there was like torrential
thunderstorms, and uh, I wasabout sixty eight percent convinced we were all
gonna die, but that's either hereor there. Camp did nice on the
tournament, made the first cut,won a little dough. Uh so we
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probably spent like seventy eight million dollarson this trip and then uh he won
two hundred bucks on the backside,so I guess it all evens out.
I don't know. I did getto play the uh the golf course which
is next to the Indy five hundredtrack, so uh yeah, another another
Dad achievement unlocked there. It's calleda brickyard crossing. It's pretty neat.
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I guess they built it in thetwenties. I assumed it was like a
tourist trap for like, uh,you know, one of the reason is
there to go to Indianapolis unless youlike play for the Colts or want to
go see the Indy five hundred rightthere there. There really isn't a ton
of other reasons unless you're unless yourson's at a bowling tournament. I guess,
but uh, yeah, they builtin the twenties. It goes inside
the track. It's pretty neat.Dorc like myself, who likes both the
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Indy five hundred and golf, waslike, yeah, look at all this
so a good time was had byall, but glad to be back here
with a brand spaking new edition ofOvertime. We'll take a break, come
back next with Chris Galdieri of santAnselm College. This is Overtime, keep
it here during us today on Overtimefrom sant Anselm College, the one and
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only Chris Caldiery. Chris, thanksfor being on the show today. Glad
to be here, justin thanks.Before were questions, I gotta say so,
I'm recording this from the home office, so my background is like my
dog and if you're the if youlive you squitt, you can see some
of the sports A words. I'mgoing your office background is like, I
give it an A plus. Yougot the Batman post, thank you,
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you got Elvis and Nixon, yougot I'm trying to see what movie that
is, but the three of IngloriousBastards. Oh yeah, okay, sure
yeah, but yeah, just uhmagnifique, I gotta I gotta give you
your prost for that. Well,thank you, thank you. And the
Captain America shield is off camera,so I do see the pop though,
the Captain America pop and a fewothers. Yeah, yeah, that was
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my daughter went through a stage phasewhere she would get me pops for birthdays
and Father's Day and everything. Sothey live at the office. Yeah,
I gotta, I gotta. Iwanted the tick on my desk in my
office. So excellent. Spoon.Yes exactly. Oh god, I'm so
that my heart is warm now thatyou just said spoon. But fortunately for
the audience, they go, it'sa it's an audio medium, so they
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can't see any of this. Sothey're just gonna have to hope you you
appear on a TV show so theycan see it too. Yeah. So
we had a we had a prettyexciting week politics wise. In New Hampshire,
Governor Sneer knew Uh finally made hismind up about running for a fifth
term or not. He decided notto run for what would have been a
record breaking fifth term. He andJohn Lynch will share the four term record.
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What was your reaction to him decidingnot to running it? We surprised,
not surprised. What did you think? I was really not that surprised.
Um. He you know, hasbeen making statements over the last few
months since he announced he wasn't runningfor president that really made it seem like
he felt like his time in thegovernor's office. What was coming to a
close, you know, talking about, well, I want to get back
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to the private sector. I needa real job, you know, I
don't want to be governor forever thatsort of thing. So, um,
you know, I was not terriblysurprised when he bowed out. So I
think I'm the only person that wasa little surprised. I really thought he'd
run for a fifth term a becauseI think he would get just a little
bit of satisfaction about having the recordand be it seems like he really likes
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being governor. And I said thisto a Diziliotis, who was filling in
for Chris Ryan this week on theon the Morning Show. Be the Governor
New Hampshire. You know, withno no offense towards the governorship of New
Hampshire. It's not like being thegovernor of Illinois or being the governor of
you know, Texas or New York. I mean, it's I'm sure it's
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a difficult job, but it's youknow, if if if we're raiding them,
it's probably on the lower end ofdifficulty, right. It seems like
you can have a lot of funwith it and he certainly did. Yeah.
Yeah, And if you ever seehim at a public event, you
know, his his energy is verymuch you know, enthusiastic softball dad.
Um where he just like you know, like like my you know, if
you've ever been to you know,the Christmas tree lighting at the governor's mansion,
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or when he speaks as he spokeat the dedication of the statue of
John wynant and Conquered a couple ofyears ago, Clearly he's somebody who just
really likes being governor and enjoys justthe fact of having that role in sort
of being the you know, thethe state coach almost just something like that.
Um so yeah, yeah. Butyou know, I think also,
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you know, he's somebody who's lookedat running for other offices a couple of
times. Uh, you know,Senate last year, last last cycle,
President this cycle, and I don'tknow, um, I think you know,
he sort of got ambitions but hasnever quite felt the time is right
to pursue them. So you know, we'll see running before send it or
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or president. Nothing I'm ever gonnado either of those things. But it
just those seem like just such aslog and such a grind. I mean,
I've spoken to you know, folksthat are have been an office and
both in Congress end in the USSenate, and they just talk about the
worst part is it's so like youhave to spend so much time fundraising that
it really it's just a morale suck, you know what I mean. Like,
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it's just it's not great, it'snot fun. Nobody likes that part
of it. And that's so muchof it that I think you're gonna see
fewer and fewer people that are maybeyou know, could win those offices run
for those Yeah, I think therewas something too that. Um, you
know, the way I've heard itdescribed is, you know, if you're
in a competitive district or a competitivestate, you need to spend three or
four hours a day making fundraising calls. And usually that means, you know,
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you go to your party's boiler roomand they sit you down at a
you know, a gray cubicle andgive you a stack of file folders and
a phone and say, all right, senator, get to work asking complete
strangers from Monny, which just soundsabsolutely soul crushing. Yeah, between radio
gigs, I had to work asa telemarker. You know what I didn't
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do a lot of work. Ilooked at the internet a lot. Yeah,
it stuck so much. And thosetwo things seem not at all dissimilar.
But uh but yeah, what doyou think is what do you think
is next for Chris sinew A lotof people say cable news, pundit,
maybe into the private sector where theski areas and whatnot. What do you
what do you think is next forhim? Yeah, that's a really good
question. Um. You know,he is, you know, pretty young
as politicians go. I think he'sactually a little bit younger than me,
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which I don't feel good about.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, what have we beendoing with our lives? He's a governor
nothing, um, um, soyou know, he could run for something
else. You know, he couldbe one of those guys who takes some
time off in the private sector andcomes back and runs for governor again.
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Um. You know. But he'syou know, he's also not a he's
a weird fit with Republicans nationally.Um. You know, he's not a
super trumpy Republican. You know,I don't really think he's a moderate,
but he's much more in the veinof you know, an old Yankee,
old style Yankee conservative Republican. Soyou know, I don't think he's a
great fit with the rest of theparty. You know, does he want
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to be I don't know, Secretaryof Commerce someday and you know, future
Republican administration, I don't know,or maybe he runs for president in twenty
eight or thirty two. But thenhe runs into the problem of you know,
New Hampshire is having a heck ofa time protecting the first in the
Nations status. If you want toreally blow that up, have a very
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popular Republican from New Hampshire in themix, and then a lot everybody else
might just say, Okay, we'rejust going to go to South Carolina.
We're just going to skip New Hampshireand go someplace else. And then yeah,
so that's a headache. We're talkingto about Chris Galdieri, policy professor
expert at stating some college. Andbefore I get off the Christianity topic,
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I will say one one thing wesaw last week is he he seems to
be interested in the no labels movement. For whatever I might think of that,
which is not a whole lot.He was at the event. He's
spoken glowingly of you know what nolabels is kind of putting out there,
which at this point to me isnot as a whole lot of Yeah,
we don't like both sides, andthat's pretty much it. But Christenings seemed
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to be like on board with whateverthey're trying to accomplish. Could you see
him being a part of a thirdparty run perhaps maybe not this cycle,
but in the future. Yeah,that's a really interesting question. Um.
You know, maybe I think here'sthe problem he'd run into though he would
be with you know, probably agood twenty years of political career ahead of
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him, essentially leaving the Republican Party. Yeah, saying well, you know,
I'm not like I don't I can'tstand Trump so much. I'm going
to go do this other thing.And so that's sort of you know,
that's a big gamble. I thinkit would take you know, they want
him to be there can and adate um for that to really come together.
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Um, and you know, hemight find you know, getting this
you know, weird not quite party, not quite interest group just sort of
handing him in nomination. Maybe you'dthink, okay, this is this is
worth taking taking a chance on.Um Compared to running in a Republican primary
against Donald Trump, and you know, were up to like twelve other people.
I think last time I checked,yep, um. But it's still
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you know, it's it's I don'tknow, I mean it's it's a big
step, I think it. Youknow, look at who they've they had.
He had Joe Lieberman, who basicallygot kicked out of the Democratic Party,
was almost John McCain's running mate,and then came back to the Democrats
for a couple of years as anindependent. Uh. You had John Huntsman,
who ran here lost was Trump's ambassadorto Russia, which sounds like a
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terrible, terrible job to have.But again, not somebody who's envisioning going
back to Utah and running for governoragain or running uh for Senate against know
like ntt Romney or Mike Lee orsomething. Um, you know, it's
I don't know that you would havesomebody with potentially lots of opportunities ahead of
him wanting to make that leap.Sure, yeah, it'll be uh certainly
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be interesting to see what the nextchapter is for a Christine who that leads
into uh seven minutes after christ andwho said he was not running for governor.
Chuck Morse who was who was waitingin the wings, and I think
since twenty twenty two, when I'mpretty sure Chuck Morse wanted to run for
governor then and ended up running forSenate unsuccessfully didn't get the nomination. On
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the GOP side, Chuck Morse wasin it to win it immediately running for
governor. We expect as of thisrecording, he's the only one. On
the Republican side. We expect KellyAyott will get in and Frank edel Blue
as well. There may be afew other candidates that hop in, but
those are the three um that willgenerate the most headlines, probably raise the
most money, And to me,it's it's a fascinating microcosm of the National
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Republican Party. Those three candidates,Uh, you know Ayat a former US
Senator Morris who was state set ofpresident forever. Those two more establishment types,
and then Frank edel Blue, whokind of represents the extreme right wing
of the other Republican party, whichis drifted further to the right anyway.
So how would you see a threeway race like that playing out assuming all
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three get in. Yeah, that'sa really weird dynamic because you know,
then you have the two, asyou said, sort of mainline establishment candidates,
Morrison at how do they distinguish themselvesfrom one another? How does one
say, well, I should bethe nominee because I'm the you know,
regular electable Republican. Well so that'sthe same claim that the other one can
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make, right, Um with edelBlue, I think then the question becomes,
is the you know that sort ofyou know, far right constituency big
enough to get you the nomination againsttwo of the others. It almost almost
did sixty Yeah, he lost theSenator by one. It was like less
than a thousand votes in the primary. Yeah, that was a really close
one, as I remember that.Yeah, but Elblue is a lot lesser
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known at that point. Now he'sa record as education commissioner, and I
can tell you from speaking to teachers, even some teachers that are registered Republicans.
Not a lot of folks that workin public education or have kids in
public education, or big fans ofFrank edel Blue at this point. Yeah,
yeah, now that could help himin a Republican primary. But then
if I'm a out or I'm Morris, I'm trying to figure out how do
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I say yes? But that losesyou in the general election, and then
the other thing I'm curious to seeis if some like really full throated mega
candidate gets in. You know,if you remember the primaries we had last
year for the Senate, for bothHouse races, it was not the mainstream
Republicans who came out of those withthe nominations. It was Don Baldock,
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it was Caroline Levitt, it wasBob Burns. You know. So is
Edel Book uh sorry, Edel Bluetrumpy enough for them? Is he Maga
enough for them? I don't know, um, but I think it's gonna
be really fascinating to watch that shakeout. Yeah, And it's like you
referenced, I think it's interesting tome because she has got one a race,
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a statewide race your Hampshire since twentyten, lost to Maga Hasson in
twenty sixteen by a Razors then margin, and really got tripped up when asked
about Donald Trump. Uh, youknow, kind of stumbled on the question
is Donald Trump will rolled on?I think it was Chris Ryan and asked
the question actually, uh, andit was asked again and didn't give an
answer sufficient enough for those Trump folkswho now kind of you you you saw
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on Twitter or we saw on Twitter. She said, you know, I'll
have an announcement forthcoming, and theMAGA people were already jumping all over her
case. So it's, uh,there's a lot of dislike from Maga world
of Kelly a On. Who's gonnabenefit from that? Um? I think
that prop Well, that's a goodquestion. I could see that benefiting l
Blue. On the other hand,Um, maybe Morrise makes a play and
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he says, look, I've neverbeen a full on Trump person, but
I haven't disrespected him the way thatKelly Ayott did as right basically, and
you know, like it's it's likethe Sopranos right disrespecting the bing and that
sort of stuff. Um Uh,I think it's a very good analogy by
thank you, thank you? Yes? Um So I mean it could it
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could? You know, I don'tknow. I think has really got her
work cut out for her, especiallyif Donald Trump is the nominee for the
Republican Party for president next year.Um, suddenly she is back exactly where
she was in twenty sixteen. Welldo you endorse him or do you support
him but not endorse him? Asyou said? Is he a role model?
And all the rest of that.Uh, And so if I'm Kelly
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Ayott, it's it's like, doI want to relive my worst nightmare all
over again? I think it's goingto be a headache for her. Yeah,
you'd almost think she'd be better offrunning in the in the twenty twenty
sixth cycle, right when it's nota presidential year. You won't have the
necessarily all the megafolks. I'm assumingTrump's going to be the nominee, whether
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he's uh, you know, convictedof crime, sitting in jail or not.
I think he's gonna be an hominyregardless. And even if he's not,
who's to say he's not going torun as his own third party or
whatever. But anyway, with allthose folks maybe not coming out in droves
like they would in twenty twenty six, you think that would be more of
a benefit to Kelly aout. ButI guess you can't roll the dice and
take the chance that the Republican won'twin in twenty twenty four, right,
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or that a Democrat will win winin twenty twenty four. And you know
New Hampshire dem sorry New Hampshire governors, they tend to get that second term,
right, you know, like FraigBenson is the anomaly. I think
he was the only one in likea hundred years who didn't get a second
term. So, you know,you could have a like let's say a
Democrat wins or Republican wins and theydo three or four terms. Yeah,
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suddenly you're looking at, well,maybe I can run in twenty third or
maybe I can run in twenty thirtytwo. And at that point it's like,
yeah, you know, who knowsthe world's gonna be exactly exactly?
Yeah, you could, you couldyou know, yeah, the world could
end, you could have a stroke, you could get a great job offer
in California. You know all thesethings could you know happen between now and
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then. So yeah, interesting isreally everything in politics? It certainly is.
Yeah, it certainly is. We'retalking with Chris Galdieri from sant Anselm
College looking at the Democratic side.We have a executive counselor, Cindy Warmington,
who's in the race Manchester Mayor JoyceCraig, and I think that's probably
gonna be it. I don't thinkanybody else has made any noise about jumping
in. I thought Becky Whitley mightbe kind of looking at it, but
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she's already endorsed to Cindney Warmington,if I recall correctly. Um, I
think that's gonna be it. Um, the doctor Tom Sherman has said he's
not gonna run again, So howdo you see that race play again?
Um? You know, that's reallygood question. You have two candidates whom
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they certainly have strengths. You know, Craig is the mayor of the largest
city in the state. Warmington representsa fifth of the state on the Executive
Council, So they've got organizational organizationsthat they can put to work on their
campaigns. They can raise money,but they're also you know, you know
if with Cindy Warmington, she isreally not known at all beyond her district.
So I think her challenge is goingto be getting Democrats across the state
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to know who she is. Um. Joyce. Craig is facing the you
know, quote unquote big city mayorproblem, which is that everybody in ever
whatever state you go to, andI'm from Pennsylvania, everybody who's not from
the big city doesn't like the bigcity. Right, So I'm not saying
that Manchester is the Philadelphia of NewHampshire, but there are an awful lot
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of folks in you know, sayin more rural parts of the state.
If you're from the grounds, ifyou're from Grove Tod, do you think
Manchester is essentially Philadelphia right right?Or it's like, well, what what
what can you possibly offer? Howcan you possibly understand uh, you know,
what our city needs or what ourtown needs, right. Um.
So you know, I think they'veboth got their work cut out for them.
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Um. Craig picked up an endorsementfrom Mara Healey um the other day,
which I think probably you know,gives her a boost maybe with folks
who commute to Massachusetts for work orlive right on the border. Um.
But I really do think it remindsme a lot of twenty and twelve when
you had Jackie Silly and Maggie Hassanrunning against each other where they were both
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you know, um uh, youknow, folks who did not have huge
statewide profiles. Uh, And itreally just came down to you know,
who can who's who's going to dothe most hustling between now and next September
to appeal to Democrats. Yeah,and I think I think as far as
being able to get out and runaround and and and do that work.
I think City Worrington might have anadvantage because Joyce Craig stills to run the
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city of Manchester. Yeah until herturns up. And we saw this past
week. You know, I thoughtMayor Craig did a very good job of
keeping citizens learned during the flooding,like, hey, this road's closed,
this one isn't, you know,this isn't. So that's running a city
is a lot of work. Youknow, even one is relatively small nationally
speaking as Manchester, that's still kindof a grind. Oh, absolutely,
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absolutely, um, And you knowit's it's tough for running a city of
any sides. It's especially tough runninglike sort of a midsize city where you
get lots of big city problems,but you also have like the small city,
everybody knows each other, everybody knowseverybody's business going on there. So,
um, it is definitely a toughjob. But it's also the sort
of thing where, you know,like you said, when you're dealing with
a flooding situation, Um, it'snot just how do I keep people safe?
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How do we coordinate relief and rescueand all the rest of that.
But if this goes badly, thatprobably tanks my campaign for governor. Right,
Yeah, I think most people inthe state don't even know what an
executive counselor does. So City Wormingtoncould could have an executive counselor mishap and
nobody would even know what or whyit was exactly exactly Yeah, but but
yeah, but if a school buswash down the Merrimack River, everyone's gonna
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blame Joyce break. So yeah,that that that'll be interesting to see.
Uh. I've spoken to a fewactivists that they're like, yeah, I
don't know which way I'm gonna gowith this. I don't know who I'm
going to endorse. It's it's trickybecause you know, we we there's there's
big pros and then you know,not as many cons with with either candidates.
So who I think that's gonna berazor thin come primary time. Yeah,
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I think you know a lot,it's just going to come down to
what the candidates do over the nextwhat fourteen months giver take because we have
our crazy late primary. Um.Yeah, and I think a lot is
going to come down to how's thepresidential looking, how is the state of
the country looking. Um, youknow, if everybody decides that it's morning
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in America again and Biden looks likehe's cruising to re election, yeah,
um, you know, it couldget really vicious in that primary because you
might think, well, gosh,if Biden's going to win the state by
ten points, m whoever the Democraticnow is is going to have a leg
up. Plus we might get thestate House, we might actually win the
state Senate and that sort of thing. Um, So suddenly that's incredibly appealing.
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Um, And I think you knowa lot of it. You know,
Democrats have been really frustrated over thelast eight years because they have not
been able to move the ball forwardon much of anything because Chris and Nuno's
being governor. So even that onetime they had control of the legislature,
he had his you know, heuses veto pen what like sixty eight times
yeah, yeah, yeah, andhe was bragging about and fund raising off
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of it. So they have along wish list of stuff they want to
get done. So it might justcome down to whichever one of these UM
candidates is able to persuade people thatthey're the one who will actually be able
to do the things they want toget done. Chris Caldieri joins us here
on overtime from US had in somecollege before we let you go. H
Robert F. Kennedy Junior. Nota great week for our guy, or
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off Kage Junior. There was somevideo released of him, um, you
know, espousing some anti Semitic conspiracytheories. Uh, conspiracy theory seemed to
be most of what rf K Junioris all about. And with conspiracy guys,
the more you talk to them they'rethe higher the likelihood it ends up
with an anti Semitic you know thingat the end. Right, It's it's
just there's probably some sort of mathematicalformula for that, but I don't I'm
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not starting to figure it out.Was before Congress yesterday, Republicans brought out
a Democratic candidate for president in theoryto try and give him a megaphone,
and that did not go very wellfor him either. Is is that a
rap? I mean, I'm surehe's gonna keep running for president, but
is this you know? There wasthere was some initial like, oh,
it's R. F. K Junior, I know that name, and then
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it seems like the more people heardhim speak, the more people are like,
oh god, look at this.Yeah, yeah, I mean and
it reminds me a lot of whatyou've seen in the past with you know,
not ready for primetime candidates. Youknow, think about Rick Perry in
twenty sixteen. A lot of Republicanswere like, sorry, twenty twelve,
yeah, oh yeah, this guy'sa real conservative, he's from Texas,
he's not a rhino. Let's gethim up on that debate stage. And
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then oh my god, this iswhat Rick Perry sounds like as a candidate.
Uh. And Rick Perry's numbers tankedand this is very similar to that,
right, people Like I think alot of folks were like, oh
well, you know, especially inNew Hampshire, I'm mad about the primary.
Um, I'm not sold on Biden. I'm gonna listen to this Kennedy.
And then, as you said,you get anti vax conspiracy theories,
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you get anti Semitic conspiracy theories.Uh, you just get you know,
a host of weird fringe views justcome tumbling out, and nobody's even gotten
to his personal life yet, whichis you know, messy. So yeah,
I think this is probably you know, not the threat to Biden that
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a lot of people thought it was, um, you know, maybe he
does a little better than people expectedbecause if his name is on the ballot
and Biden doesn't file because of DNCsanctions and that sort of thing. But
the the fantasy that he was goingto you know, win the primary and
embarrassed by and then step three profitsright, I think that was just never
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ever going to happen because the morepublicity he got, the more likely he
was to say the sorts of thingswe've heard this week. Yeah, it's
it's it's quite accomplishment to be themost very embarrassing Kennedy when when Ted was
doing his thing back of the day. But congratulations art kids here. I
think he's grabbed the mental sod.Yeah there you go. Uh. Chris
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called the area say it's of college. Thanks so much for being on the
show and look forward to talking toyou again down the road. Always a
pleasure. Justin thanks, join mehere on overtime. He's a former congressman
from Illinois from our presidential Kennedy backin twenty twenty and the host of the
White Flag podcast, The One andOnly Joe Walsh. How you do a
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joke? Damn good to be withyou. My friend always damn good to
have you and uh for fun thatdon't really know your your journey from from
like super ultra maga guy to oneof the I would say leading voices in
the h the anti Trump movement whilestill being a conservative yourself has really been
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something else. What was the pointin your in your kind of a journey
where you said, this is kindof messed up. I don't think I'm
aboard this Trump tree any lucker.When he got elected. When he got
elected, justin you and you knowthat look Trump Trump scared me straight.
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He slapped me upside the head.I voted for him in twenty sixteen,
not because I loved him or liketo mean woodn't Hillary. I didn't really
pay attention to him. But thenwhen he got elected and I really started
to pay attention to everything he wassaying and doing, I just realized he's
a very bad, horrible person andwe just can't have that in the White
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House, right And that's that's kindof when you uh, you know,
I've followed you on Twitter for forquite some time. You could there was
definitely a change in the way youkind of looked at things, and it
seems as like or it seems asthough that kind of brought you to a
place where you you kind of changedyour attitude about a lot of things.
Right, Did you start to lookat things more closely? Or Yeah,
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Well I looked at myself more closelybecause I've been very honest. I'm a
very public guy. I I helpedelect Trump. Um, I helped create
the conditions for Trump. I.Uh, you talked about my journey.
It's it's a very unique journey.It's been a tougher than hell journey.
I don't know if anybody else who'sdone what I did. Um, who
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comes from the Tea Party, Magabase. Uh supported Trump and then left
it, and then in a verypublic way, went after him. Um.
I I look, I'm not aI'm no longer a Republican. I
believed then and I still believe.Both parties are messed up. Our political
system is messed up. I believedin twenty sixteen we needed disruption. That's
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why I went to Congress. Butthere's good disruption and bad disruption. Donald
Trump lies every time he opens hismouth. I don't give a damn who
you are. Politically, we cannever and look, just every politician lies
sure, but we've never had anythinglike Trump, where he lies every time
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he opens his mouth. We can'thave that. But look, when I
turned against Trump publicly, I wason one hundred two hundred radio stations around
the country. I was on FoxNews every day. I was a rising
star in right wing media. Andthe minute I turned on him, boom,
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I lost all of that. Yeah, I was gonna say it,
your decision to kind of follow yourconscience cost you, not just politically,
but i'd venture to guess pretty heptilyfind nancially as well. So it's I
mean not that. Yeah, Iwas. I was on a radio station
up in Canada about four months agoand the guy that put me on and
he introduced me as Joe Walls,former congressman, the guy who took a
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blowtorch to his career. Um,I love that because that's that's what I
did, period. And it's beenhard, but I mean, I couldn't
live with myself if I didn't.We're talking to Joe Walsh. He's the
host of the White Flag podcast.He'll see him pop up on cable news
on CNN, MSNBC and whatnot.They don't tend to like you on Fox
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anymore. But I feel that that'sto your credit. We're in a situation
now where Trump is you know,he's the leading contender for the Republican nomination,
despite the fact that he's been indictedtwice. As of this recording.
Who knows what's going to happen inthe afternoon. We're taping this Friday at
noon, so who knows what willhappen by five pm? But uh,
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a date was this sporting for hisdocuments trial in May. I'm of the
belief, even if he's convicted ofsomething, whether it's a January sixth indictment
and conviction the documents, I don'tthink the Stormy Daniel stuff is all that
big of a kind of a bigdeal, but in the greater sins,
not the bigger deal. I thinkeven if he's convicted and sitting in a
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jail cell, he'll still be thenominees. At your view as well,
I'm pretty much there, and I'vepretty much always been there. He'll be
indicted for January six that'll be athird indictment, and justin next month,
Georgia will indict him right right thatphone call, damn it, find me
eleven thousand votes. He'll be indictedfor that as well, But I'm with
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you. Every indictment strengthens him inthis Republican party because this Republican party,
my former party, has been completelyradicalized. Look look, look here we
are two and a half years later, two and a half years after he
tried to end our democracy on Januarysixth, People forget this. Donald Trump
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led a violent attempt to overthrow anAmerican election. And justin that that didn't
make him a pariah, right,so nothing will. And I feel like,
and I mentioned in your view ofthis as well, because you you
served in Congress, you're you know, you have experience with the sort of
stuff. I feel like there waslike a two or three three week period
of time where Republicans got religion onthis. They were like, oh geez,
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this is this is kind of themonster we created. We're gonna put
this back in the box. Andthere was I think a tiny bit of
momentum to maybe, you know,his second impeachment, to maybe convict him,
to prevent him from running for officeagain. And I don't know what
happened, but that went away prettydamn quick. Right, So, because
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I come from the base, thecrazy base, and I was part of
the crazy base. I talked tothem every day and justin your right.
After January sixth, there was abouttwo to three days there where even his
most hardcore supporters told me, whatthe f Joe, Oh my god,
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this is like too much. Eventhey were like on their back haunches.
But then that changed. After afew days, it changed. Hannity goes
on TV, Tucker Carlson goes onTV. Some of the some of my
crazy former colleagues in Congress begin todefend him, and then the whole cycle
begins, and before you know it, they're all back with them. There
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was a window there, but itclosed real quickly. Yeah, it was.
It was pretty, uh fascinating.I guess this is one word,
kind of disheartening to watch all thishappened, even though I'm deeply cynical and
I figured something like this would happen. It's you know, when you see
Republican congressmen talking about January six itwas just a bunch of tourists. There
was this that, and even Iwas like, yeah, maybe I'm not
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cynical enough, right, It's it'sabsolutely frightening. What And again, I
got a weird perspective because I comefrom Congress, and I come from right
wing media. When you've got thebiggest voices like Tucker Carlson and the others
out there saying exactly what you justsaid, that it was no big deal,
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their audience buys that and believes that, and that's where they are now.
So let me ask you this.You're you're a guy that's uh,
you know the Republican Party it wasas it was even ten fifteen years ago.
I think you'd still be a Republican. Uh, what will it take
for not necessarily a reset because Ithink we're in a different era now,
what will it take for the RepublicanParty as we do it to kind of
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uh get its get its bleeped togetherfor lack of a dinner term, or
will it will there have to belike a split amongst the folks that follow
Trump no matter what, and themaybe traditional rom ask Reagan, ask Republicans
or what happens? In your viewas a guy that's kind of been in
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the weeds on this, I thinkit's done. I think I think the
Republican Party, this party is onthe path it's on and I don't see
it changing. I think this RepublicanParty is shrinking and dying as a national
party. I think it's going tobe a hardcore populist, white nationalist,
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rural regional party. And I thinkjustin we're at the beginning stage of the
creation of a more principled center rightconservative party. Gonna take a long time
to get there, but I thinkI don't think this party can ever reset
and be what it was. Iagree with you one hundred percent. My
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fear that is in the interim theway American politics is set up with you
know, with Jerry Mannering that's goneon, with the electoral college. It
only it doesn't take a whole lotor you know, Donald Trump could absolutely
win the next election, and thenis there an election after that? You
know what I mean, who knowswhat happens, you know. And I
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don't think it's hyperbole to say thatbecause we almost had a fascist dictatorship after
January six, we were we werefairly close, closer than I think most
people realize or would be comfortable with. So does the country How does the
country get through to the point wheremaybe we have two or three or four
there's probably be four at least fourpolitical parties, But how do we get
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to the point where things stabilize,or is stabilization in American politics a thing
of the past at this point.So think about this. When I was
in Congress eight nine years ago,I said, then, and this was
before Trump, I said, Americais going through kind of our third political
revolution, the American Revolution, thisCivil War, and this I really and
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this was pre Trump. I reallybelieve we are having We're at the beginning
stages of a revolutionary period where wehave to figure out if we can keep
this thing together. I believe that. And I'm not a Marjorie Taylor Green
we need a national divorce crazyhead.I really believe that. I don't know
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that we can stay unified as acountry. And so I think it's gonna
be bumpy, ugly and violent forin a while. Look Trump didn't cause
any of this. He's He's justan ugly consequence of where we're at.
It's gonna be painful. I'm anold guy. I don't think i'll see
changes really in my lifetime. YoungerAmericans are gonna have to pick it up.
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But our political system is broken.The two party duopoly is broken.
We're gonna get to three parties orfour parties. It's going to be ugly
to get there, but we're gonnaWe're gonna get there. But to your
point, Trump could easily get electedagain, Sure, I think. I
think there's so many knuckleheads on theleft who dismissed that, Oh my god,
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Joe Biden's one hundred and forty yearsold. Trump could easily get elected
again. When when I say theRepublican Party's a dying party, look,
Trump's like their last dying gas.But they still they still can read havoc
these next eight to ten years.For sure. Well, it's uh,
as I said, Uh, interestingis one word to use. I think
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it's going to be interesting for historiansto look at this period of time,
you know, fifty to one hundredyears fro Now, before I let you
go, I want to want tolighten it up a bit. You're you're
a tequila guy. If my readingof your Twitter is correct. It's the
summer, this is the season oftequila. Uh, what's your tequila recommendations?
What you gotta brand? You likepastor you gotta tequila drinker. You're
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just a tequila on the rocks kindof guy. So I don't push a
brand yet unless somebody pays me,then I'll push a brand. Well what's
your favorite? Well, well,I here's the funny thing, just I
don't like I only drink tequila becausemy doctor told me seven years ago,
Walsh, you'd like to drink,you got to drink tequila because it's better
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on your gut. I have alot of stress, obviously, and it's
something about the natural sugars in tequilaare good for your gut. So I'm
really easy when it comes to tequila. I like a nice, simple black
oh butt justin. I typically drinka natural margarita, which is in my
mind it's, you know, agood black oh tequila, lime, triple
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sec, maybe a touch of umsour, some some sweet sour um.
I typically like in the summers.I can't drink grape fruit juice anymore because
it's bad for my stomach, sosometimes I'll put a little pineapple in there.
Anything fruity with tequila. I love. It's fun getting old, right,
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It's it's a yeah. And thelast question, I joked about this
with you through text a few monthsago. But your guy Aaron Rodgers is
now in New York Jet Are youreally gonna root for the Are you really
gonna root for the Jets? Doyou really need that much stress in your
life? Good grief? I ahey, mister, I will I will
bet you right now, let's doit. They will win the super Bowl
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this year. They will win thesuper Bowl. But they will win the
Super Bowl. I say yes.Do you say no? I say no?
What aren't we betting a bottle oftequila for me? And if if
they don't win, you're gonna sendme a bottle of twelve year old Scotch.
How about that? Don Dune,Dune Dune, that's our bet.
I am a Jets fan. Ilove Aaron Rodgers. He's just my favorite.
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They're gonna be good. Do youthink they'll be good? Though?
Right? I do think they'll begood. I think Aaron Rodgers in December
are not too great taste. Ittastes great together, but uh, we'll
see now Now I got something ridingon it. As a patrons guy hated
the Jets anyway, now I couldreally hate him, so I appreciate you
given that to me. But JoeWallace, this was a ton of fun,
as much as talking about the endof times can be. Hope we
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can do this again. Sometime soonanytime, my friend, Thank you.
Welcome back to overtime and running outof show a little bit here thanks to
my guest today, Chris Galdieria ofsant Anselm College. Also I texted Joe
Wall. She hosts the White Flagpodcast. You can get that wherever you
get podcasts. And of course,if you missed any part of this show,
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it will be a podcast. Aboutfive minutes after the show ends,
it pops up on the iHeartRadio app, which the bosses like me to plug,
you know, Apple podcast, Spotify, wherever you're gonna podcast, you
can find my stuff, So makesure you check it out, leave her
a review and five stars and allthat other crap people ask you to do,
because apparently that helps people find it, and that helps me, And
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who doesn't want to help me?I mean, good grief. I rule.
Coming up on the next few weeksof the show, I think we're
gonna start to shift into more ofa more of a sports mode. It's
been a lot of been a lotof political today, especially with a lot
of political stuff, a lot ofpolitics. College football is like a month
away. I don't know if you'reaware of this. Your age football kicks
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off in like five weeks, andI will have I'll have an announce been
regarding you and age football broadcast comingup sooner rather than later, but we're
keeping that one tucked away for rightnow. Another big market tease for you.
But no college football is gonna startsoon FBS, I think is like
less than a either a month orless than a month, right around thirty
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days away from from their week zerogames. The NFL will follow shortly thereafter,
so well, we're definitely gonna havesome more football content on this program
in the weeks to come. Sothat is just about gonna wrap it up
once again. Thanks to my guess, Chris Caldi, Arie Joe Walsh,
Thanks to you for listening, andremember, hippies are bad people pretending to
be good. Punks are good peoplepretending to be bad. I'll see you
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next week.
Welcome to over Time, the onlyradio show to have signed the Berlin Wall
just before it was knocked down.That's true, we can look it up.
My name is Jess mcconsick's devastatingly handsomeand humble host. On today's show,
we talked to you Chris Galdieria Assistantprofessor Political Science or in Sandingseum College,
about the governor's race in New Hampshire, which got spicy this week because
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Governor Sender who declared he would notrun for a fifth term, and then
Chuck Morris almost immediately decided he wasrunning for governor as well. Joyce Craig
and Cindy Wormington are already in therace and more are expected to follow us.
So we talked about that. Alsotalked to Joe Walsh, former congressman
from Illinois, super Maga dude turnedanti Magadude, who you probably see on
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Twitter and CNN and all that otherstuff. So we talked to him about
where the Republican Party might be headed, and somehow also make a bet about
the Super Bowl. We call thata big market tease in the business,
so you'll have to stick around tohear what that's all about. But glad
to be back. Last week,drove out to Indianapolis and then back.
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I don't recommend doing that. It'sa long drive. On the way out.
My son Cam drove for part ofit. But I think one of
my one of my dad features.Yeah, every year as a father,
you get new dad features and youdon't know what they're gonna be until you
get them. And I think oneof mine is I don't trust my kids
to drive with me in the car. And even though Cam's a I would
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say for a nineteen year old,a decent driver, it still was like,
well, we're going to Indianapolis,I'll drive the whole damn thing.
So I let him drive for likethree or four hours of the fifteen and
a half or so it took toget out there. The drive back was
an absolute nightmare. Well, Ishould rephrase that. Once we got to
the New York Massachusetts border, itwas an absolute nightmare. So I guess,
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like the last two and a halfthree hours, we're not great.
Apparently they're chewing up every part ofthe mass Pike and there was like torrential
thunderstorms, and uh, I wasabout sixty eight percent convinced we were all
gonna die, but that's either hereor there. Camp did nice on the
tournament, made the first cut,won a little dough. Uh so we
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probably spent like seventy eight million dollarson this trip and then uh he won
two hundred bucks on the backside,so I guess it all evens out.
I don't know. I did getto play the uh the golf course which
is next to the Indy five hundredtrack, so uh yeah, another another
Dad achievement unlocked there. It's calleda brickyard crossing. It's pretty neat.
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I guess they built it in thetwenties. I assumed it was like a
tourist trap for like, uh,you know, one of the reason is
there to go to Indianapolis unless youlike play for the Colts or want to
go see the Indy five hundred rightthere there. There really isn't a ton
of other reasons unless you're unless yourson's at a bowling tournament. I guess,
but uh, yeah, they builtin the twenties. It goes inside
the track. It's pretty neat.Dorc like myself, who likes both the
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Indy five hundred and golf, waslike, yeah, look at all this
so a good time was had byall, but glad to be back here
with a brand spaking new edition ofOvertime. We'll take a break, come
back next with Chris Galdieri of santAnselm College. This is Overtime, keep
it here during us today on Overtimefrom sant Anselm College, the one and
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only Chris Caldiery. Chris, thanksfor being on the show today. Glad
to be here, justin thanks.Before were questions, I gotta say so,
I'm recording this from the home office, so my background is like my
dog and if you're the if youlive you squitt, you can see some
of the sports A words. I'mgoing your office background is like, I
give it an A plus. Yougot the Batman post, thank you,
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you got Elvis and Nixon, yougot I'm trying to see what movie that
is, but the three of IngloriousBastards. Oh yeah, okay, sure
yeah, but yeah, just uhmagnifique, I gotta I gotta give you
your prost for that. Well,thank you, thank you. And the
Captain America shield is off camera,so I do see the pop though,
the Captain America pop and a fewothers. Yeah, yeah, that was
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my daughter went through a stage phasewhere she would get me pops for birthdays
and Father's Day and everything. Sothey live at the office. Yeah,
I gotta, I gotta. Iwanted the tick on my desk in my
office. So excellent. Spoon.Yes exactly. Oh god, I'm so
that my heart is warm now thatyou just said spoon. But fortunately for
the audience, they go, it'sa it's an audio medium, so they
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can't see any of this. Sothey're just gonna have to hope you you
appear on a TV show so theycan see it too. Yeah. So
we had a we had a prettyexciting week politics wise. In New Hampshire,
Governor Sneer knew Uh finally made hismind up about running for a fifth
term or not. He decided notto run for what would have been a
record breaking fifth term. He andJohn Lynch will share the four term record.
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What was your reaction to him decidingnot to running it? We surprised,
not surprised. What did you think? I was really not that surprised.
Um. He you know, hasbeen making statements over the last few
months since he announced he wasn't runningfor president that really made it seem like
he felt like his time in thegovernor's office. What was coming to a
close, you know, talking about, well, I want to get back
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to the private sector. I needa real job, you know, I
don't want to be governor forever thatsort of thing. So, um,
you know, I was not terriblysurprised when he bowed out. So I
think I'm the only person that wasa little surprised. I really thought he'd
run for a fifth term a becauseI think he would get just a little
bit of satisfaction about having the recordand be it seems like he really likes
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being governor. And I said thisto a Diziliotis, who was filling in
for Chris Ryan this week on theon the Morning Show. Be the Governor
New Hampshire. You know, withno no offense towards the governorship of New
Hampshire. It's not like being thegovernor of Illinois or being the governor of
you know, Texas or New York. I mean, it's I'm sure it's
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a difficult job, but it's youknow, if if if we're raiding them,
it's probably on the lower end ofdifficulty, right. It seems like
you can have a lot of funwith it and he certainly did. Yeah.
Yeah, And if you ever seehim at a public event, you
know, his his energy is verymuch you know, enthusiastic softball dad.
Um where he just like you know, like like my you know, if
you've ever been to you know,the Christmas tree lighting at the governor's mansion,
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or when he speaks as he spokeat the dedication of the statue of
John wynant and Conquered a couple ofyears ago, Clearly he's somebody who just
really likes being governor and enjoys justthe fact of having that role in sort
of being the you know, thethe state coach almost just something like that.
Um so yeah, yeah. Butyou know, I think also,
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you know, he's somebody who's lookedat running for other offices a couple of
times. Uh, you know,Senate last year, last last cycle,
President this cycle, and I don'tknow, um, I think you know,
he sort of got ambitions but hasnever quite felt the time is right
to pursue them. So you know, we'll see running before send it or
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or president. Nothing I'm ever gonnado either of those things. But it
just those seem like just such aslog and such a grind. I mean,
I've spoken to you know, folksthat are have been an office and
both in Congress end in the USSenate, and they just talk about the
worst part is it's so like youhave to spend so much time fundraising that
it really it's just a morale suck, you know what I mean. Like,
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it's just it's not great, it'snot fun. Nobody likes that part
of it. And that's so muchof it that I think you're gonna see
fewer and fewer people that are maybeyou know, could win those offices run
for those Yeah, I think therewas something too that. Um, you
know, the way I've heard itdescribed is, you know, if you're
in a competitive district or a competitivestate, you need to spend three or
four hours a day making fundraising calls. And usually that means, you know,
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you go to your party's boiler roomand they sit you down at a
you know, a gray cubicle andgive you a stack of file folders and
a phone and say, all right, senator, get to work asking complete
strangers from Monny, which just soundsabsolutely soul crushing. Yeah, between radio
gigs, I had to work asa telemarker. You know what I didn't
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do a lot of work. Ilooked at the internet a lot. Yeah,
it stuck so much. And thosetwo things seem not at all dissimilar.
But uh but yeah, what doyou think is what do you think
is next for Chris sinew A lotof people say cable news, pundit,
maybe into the private sector where theski areas and whatnot. What do you
what do you think is next forhim? Yeah, that's a really good
question. Um. You know,he is, you know, pretty young
as politicians go. I think he'sactually a little bit younger than me,
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which I don't feel good about.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah, what have we beendoing with our lives? He's a governor
nothing, um, um, soyou know, he could run for something
else. You know, he couldbe one of those guys who takes some
time off in the private sector andcomes back and runs for governor again.
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Um. You know. But he'syou know, he's also not a he's
a weird fit with Republicans nationally.Um. You know, he's not a
super trumpy Republican. You know,I don't really think he's a moderate,
but he's much more in the veinof you know, an old Yankee,
old style Yankee conservative Republican. Soyou know, I don't think he's a
great fit with the rest of theparty. You know, does he want
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to be I don't know, Secretaryof Commerce someday and you know, future
Republican administration, I don't know,or maybe he runs for president in twenty
eight or thirty two. But thenhe runs into the problem of you know,
New Hampshire is having a heck ofa time protecting the first in the
Nations status. If you want toreally blow that up, have a very
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popular Republican from New Hampshire in themix, and then a lot everybody else
might just say, Okay, we'rejust going to go to South Carolina.
We're just going to skip New Hampshireand go someplace else. And then yeah,
so that's a headache. We're talkingto about Chris Galdieri, policy professor
expert at stating some college. Andbefore I get off the Christianity topic,
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I will say one one thing wesaw last week is he he seems to
be interested in the no labels movement. For whatever I might think of that,
which is not a whole lot.He was at the event. He's
spoken glowingly of you know what nolabels is kind of putting out there,
which at this point to me isnot as a whole lot of Yeah,
we don't like both sides, andthat's pretty much it. But Christenings seemed
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to be like on board with whateverthey're trying to accomplish. Could you see
him being a part of a thirdparty run perhaps maybe not this cycle,
but in the future. Yeah,that's a really interesting question. Um.
You know, maybe I think here'sthe problem he'd run into though he would
be with you know, probably agood twenty years of political career ahead of
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him, essentially leaving the Republican Party. Yeah, saying well, you know,
I'm not like I don't I can'tstand Trump so much. I'm going
to go do this other thing.And so that's sort of you know,
that's a big gamble. I thinkit would take you know, they want
him to be there can and adate um for that to really come together.
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Um, and you know, hemight find you know, getting this
you know, weird not quite party, not quite interest group just sort of
handing him in nomination. Maybe you'dthink, okay, this is this is
worth taking taking a chance on.Um Compared to running in a Republican primary
against Donald Trump, and you know, were up to like twelve other people.
I think last time I checked,yep, um. But it's still
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you know, it's it's I don'tknow, I mean it's it's a big
step, I think it. Youknow, look at who they've they had.
He had Joe Lieberman, who basicallygot kicked out of the Democratic Party,
was almost John McCain's running mate,and then came back to the Democrats
for a couple of years as anindependent. Uh. You had John Huntsman,
who ran here lost was Trump's ambassadorto Russia, which sounds like a
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terrible, terrible job to have.But again, not somebody who's envisioning going
back to Utah and running for governoragain or running uh for Senate against know
like ntt Romney or Mike Lee orsomething. Um, you know, it's
I don't know that you would havesomebody with potentially lots of opportunities ahead of
him wanting to make that leap.Sure, yeah, it'll be uh certainly
(12:16):
be interesting to see what the nextchapter is for a Christine who that leads
into uh seven minutes after christ andwho said he was not running for governor.
Chuck Morse who was who was waitingin the wings, and I think
since twenty twenty two, when I'mpretty sure Chuck Morse wanted to run for
governor then and ended up running forSenate unsuccessfully didn't get the nomination. On
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the GOP side, Chuck Morse wasin it to win it immediately running for
governor. We expect as of thisrecording, he's the only one. On
the Republican side. We expect KellyAyott will get in and Frank edel Blue
as well. There may be afew other candidates that hop in, but
those are the three um that willgenerate the most headlines, probably raise the
most money, And to me,it's it's a fascinating microcosm of the National
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Republican Party. Those three candidates,Uh, you know Ayat a former US
Senator Morris who was state set ofpresident forever. Those two more establishment types,
and then Frank edel Blue, whokind of represents the extreme right wing
of the other Republican party, whichis drifted further to the right anyway.
So how would you see a threeway race like that playing out assuming all
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three get in. Yeah, that'sa really weird dynamic because you know,
then you have the two, asyou said, sort of mainline establishment candidates,
Morrison at how do they distinguish themselvesfrom one another? How does one
say, well, I should bethe nominee because I'm the you know,
regular electable Republican. Well so that'sthe same claim that the other one can
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make, right, Um with edelBlue, I think then the question becomes,
is the you know that sort ofyou know, far right constituency big
enough to get you the nomination againsttwo of the others. It almost almost
did sixty Yeah, he lost theSenator by one. It was like less
than a thousand votes in the primary. Yeah, that was a really close
one, as I remember that.Yeah, but Elblue is a lot lesser
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known at that point. Now he'sa record as education commissioner, and I
can tell you from speaking to teachers, even some teachers that are registered Republicans.
Not a lot of folks that workin public education or have kids in
public education, or big fans ofFrank edel Blue at this point. Yeah,
yeah, now that could help himin a Republican primary. But then
if I'm a out or I'm Morris, I'm trying to figure out how do
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I say yes? But that losesyou in the general election, and then
the other thing I'm curious to seeis if some like really full throated mega
candidate gets in. You know,if you remember the primaries we had last
year for the Senate, for bothHouse races, it was not the mainstream
Republicans who came out of those withthe nominations. It was Don Baldock,
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it was Caroline Levitt, it wasBob Burns. You know. So is
Edel Book uh sorry, Edel Bluetrumpy enough for them? Is he Maga
enough for them? I don't know, um, but I think it's gonna
be really fascinating to watch that shakeout. Yeah, And it's like you
referenced, I think it's interesting tome because she has got one a race,
(15:16):
a statewide race your Hampshire since twentyten, lost to Maga Hasson in
twenty sixteen by a Razors then margin, and really got tripped up when asked
about Donald Trump. Uh, youknow, kind of stumbled on the question
is Donald Trump will rolled on?I think it was Chris Ryan and asked
the question actually, uh, andit was asked again and didn't give an
answer sufficient enough for those Trump folkswho now kind of you you you saw
(15:41):
on Twitter or we saw on Twitter. She said, you know, I'll
have an announcement forthcoming, and theMAGA people were already jumping all over her
case. So it's, uh,there's a lot of dislike from Maga world
of Kelly a On. Who's gonnabenefit from that? Um? I think
that prop Well, that's a goodquestion. I could see that benefiting l
Blue. On the other hand,Um, maybe Morrise makes a play and
(16:03):
he says, look, I've neverbeen a full on Trump person, but
I haven't disrespected him the way thatKelly Ayott did as right basically, and
you know, like it's it's likethe Sopranos right disrespecting the bing and that
sort of stuff. Um Uh,I think it's a very good analogy by
thank you, thank you? Yes? Um So I mean it could it
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could? You know, I don'tknow. I think has really got her
work cut out for her, especiallyif Donald Trump is the nominee for the
Republican Party for president next year.Um, suddenly she is back exactly where
she was in twenty sixteen. Welldo you endorse him or do you support
him but not endorse him? Asyou said? Is he a role model?
And all the rest of that.Uh, And so if I'm Kelly
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Ayott, it's it's like, doI want to relive my worst nightmare all
over again? I think it's goingto be a headache for her. Yeah,
you'd almost think she'd be better offrunning in the in the twenty twenty
sixth cycle, right when it's nota presidential year. You won't have the
necessarily all the megafolks. I'm assumingTrump's going to be the nominee, whether
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he's uh, you know, convictedof crime, sitting in jail or not.
I think he's gonna be an hominyregardless. And even if he's not,
who's to say he's not going torun as his own third party or
whatever. But anyway, with allthose folks maybe not coming out in droves
like they would in twenty twenty six, you think that would be more of
a benefit to Kelly aout. ButI guess you can't roll the dice and
take the chance that the Republican won'twin in twenty twenty four, right,
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or that a Democrat will win winin twenty twenty four. And you know
New Hampshire dem sorry New Hampshire governors, they tend to get that second term,
right, you know, like FraigBenson is the anomaly. I think
he was the only one in likea hundred years who didn't get a second
term. So, you know,you could have a like let's say a
Democrat wins or Republican wins and theydo three or four terms. Yeah,
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suddenly you're looking at, well,maybe I can run in twenty third or
maybe I can run in twenty thirtytwo. And at that point it's like,
yeah, you know, who knowsthe world's gonna be exactly exactly?
Yeah, you could, you couldyou know, yeah, the world could
end, you could have a stroke, you could get a great job offer
in California. You know all thesethings could you know happen between now and
(18:18):
then. So yeah, interesting isreally everything in politics? It certainly is.
Yeah, it certainly is. We'retalking with Chris Galdieri from sant Anselm
College looking at the Democratic side.We have a executive counselor, Cindy Warmington,
who's in the race Manchester Mayor JoyceCraig, and I think that's probably
gonna be it. I don't thinkanybody else has made any noise about jumping
in. I thought Becky Whitley mightbe kind of looking at it, but
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she's already endorsed to Cindney Warmington,if I recall correctly. Um, I
think that's gonna be it. Um, the doctor Tom Sherman has said he's
not gonna run again, So howdo you see that race play again?
Um? You know, that's reallygood question. You have two candidates whom
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they certainly have strengths. You know, Craig is the mayor of the largest
city in the state. Warmington representsa fifth of the state on the Executive
Council, So they've got organizational organizationsthat they can put to work on their
campaigns. They can raise money,but they're also you know, you know
if with Cindy Warmington, she isreally not known at all beyond her district.
So I think her challenge is goingto be getting Democrats across the state
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to know who she is. Um. Joyce. Craig is facing the you
know, quote unquote big city mayorproblem, which is that everybody in ever
whatever state you go to, andI'm from Pennsylvania, everybody who's not from
the big city doesn't like the bigcity. Right, So I'm not saying
that Manchester is the Philadelphia of NewHampshire, but there are an awful lot
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of folks in you know, sayin more rural parts of the state.
If you're from the grounds, ifyou're from Grove Tod, do you think
Manchester is essentially Philadelphia right right?Or it's like, well, what what
what can you possibly offer? Howcan you possibly understand uh, you know,
what our city needs or what ourtown needs, right. Um.
So you know, I think they'veboth got their work cut out for them.
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Um. Craig picked up an endorsementfrom Mara Healey um the other day,
which I think probably you know,gives her a boost maybe with folks
who commute to Massachusetts for work orlive right on the border. Um.
But I really do think it remindsme a lot of twenty and twelve when
you had Jackie Silly and Maggie Hassanrunning against each other where they were both
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you know, um uh, youknow, folks who did not have huge
statewide profiles. Uh, And itreally just came down to you know,
who can who's who's going to dothe most hustling between now and next September
to appeal to Democrats. Yeah,and I think I think as far as
being able to get out and runaround and and and do that work.
I think City Worrington might have anadvantage because Joyce Craig stills to run the
(20:53):
city of Manchester. Yeah until herturns up. And we saw this past
week. You know, I thoughtMayor Craig did a very good job of
keeping citizens learned during the flooding,like, hey, this road's closed,
this one isn't, you know,this isn't. So that's running a city
is a lot of work. Youknow, even one is relatively small nationally
speaking as Manchester, that's still kindof a grind. Oh, absolutely,
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absolutely, um, And you knowit's it's tough for running a city of
any sides. It's especially tough runninglike sort of a midsize city where you
get lots of big city problems,but you also have like the small city,
everybody knows each other, everybody knowseverybody's business going on there. So,
um, it is definitely a toughjob. But it's also the sort
of thing where, you know,like you said, when you're dealing with
a flooding situation, Um, it'snot just how do I keep people safe?
(21:37):
How do we coordinate relief and rescueand all the rest of that.
But if this goes badly, thatprobably tanks my campaign for governor. Right,
Yeah, I think most people inthe state don't even know what an
executive counselor does. So City Wormingtoncould could have an executive counselor mishap and
nobody would even know what or whyit was exactly exactly Yeah, but but
yeah, but if a school buswash down the Merrimack River, everyone's gonna
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blame Joyce break. So yeah,that that that'll be interesting to see.
Uh. I've spoken to a fewactivists that they're like, yeah, I
don't know which way I'm gonna gowith this. I don't know who I'm
going to endorse. It's it's trickybecause you know, we we there's there's
big pros and then you know,not as many cons with with either candidates.
So who I think that's gonna berazor thin come primary time. Yeah,
(22:25):
I think you know a lot,it's just going to come down to
what the candidates do over the nextwhat fourteen months giver take because we have
our crazy late primary. Um.Yeah, and I think a lot is
going to come down to how's thepresidential looking, how is the state of
the country looking. Um, youknow, if everybody decides that it's morning
(22:47):
in America again and Biden looks likehe's cruising to re election, yeah,
um, you know, it couldget really vicious in that primary because you
might think, well, gosh,if Biden's going to win the state by
ten points, m whoever the Democraticnow is is going to have a leg
up. Plus we might get thestate House, we might actually win the
state Senate and that sort of thing. Um, So suddenly that's incredibly appealing.
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Um, And I think you knowa lot of it. You know,
Democrats have been really frustrated over thelast eight years because they have not
been able to move the ball forwardon much of anything because Chris and Nuno's
being governor. So even that onetime they had control of the legislature,
he had his you know, heuses veto pen what like sixty eight times
yeah, yeah, yeah, andhe was bragging about and fund raising off
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of it. So they have along wish list of stuff they want to
get done. So it might justcome down to whichever one of these UM
candidates is able to persuade people thatthey're the one who will actually be able
to do the things they want toget done. Chris Caldieri joins us here
on overtime from US had in somecollege before we let you go. H
Robert F. Kennedy Junior. Nota great week for our guy, or
(23:52):
off Kage Junior. There was somevideo released of him, um, you
know, espousing some anti Semitic conspiracytheories. Uh, conspiracy theory seemed to
be most of what rf K Junioris all about. And with conspiracy guys,
the more you talk to them they'rethe higher the likelihood it ends up
with an anti Semitic you know thingat the end. Right, It's it's
just there's probably some sort of mathematicalformula for that, but I don't I'm
(24:15):
not starting to figure it out.Was before Congress yesterday, Republicans brought out
a Democratic candidate for president in theoryto try and give him a megaphone,
and that did not go very wellfor him either. Is is that a
rap? I mean, I'm surehe's gonna keep running for president, but
is this you know? There wasthere was some initial like, oh,
it's R. F. K Junior, I know that name, and then
(24:36):
it seems like the more people heardhim speak, the more people are like,
oh god, look at this.Yeah, yeah, I mean and
it reminds me a lot of whatyou've seen in the past with you know,
not ready for primetime candidates. Youknow, think about Rick Perry in
twenty sixteen. A lot of Republicanswere like, sorry, twenty twelve,
yeah, oh yeah, this guy'sa real conservative, he's from Texas,
he's not a rhino. Let's gethim up on that debate stage. And
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then oh my god, this iswhat Rick Perry sounds like as a candidate.
Uh. And Rick Perry's numbers tankedand this is very similar to that,
right, people Like I think alot of folks were like, oh
well, you know, especially inNew Hampshire, I'm mad about the primary.
Um, I'm not sold on Biden. I'm gonna listen to this Kennedy.
And then, as you said,you get anti vax conspiracy theories,
(25:18):
you get anti Semitic conspiracy theories.Uh, you just get you know,
a host of weird fringe views justcome tumbling out, and nobody's even gotten
to his personal life yet, whichis you know, messy. So yeah,
I think this is probably you know, not the threat to Biden that
(25:41):
a lot of people thought it was, um, you know, maybe he
does a little better than people expectedbecause if his name is on the ballot
and Biden doesn't file because of DNCsanctions and that sort of thing. But
the the fantasy that he was goingto you know, win the primary and
embarrassed by and then step three profitsright, I think that was just never
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ever going to happen because the morepublicity he got, the more likely he
was to say the sorts of thingswe've heard this week. Yeah, it's
it's it's quite accomplishment to be themost very embarrassing Kennedy when when Ted was
doing his thing back of the day. But congratulations art kids here. I
think he's grabbed the mental sod.Yeah there you go. Uh. Chris
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called the area say it's of college. Thanks so much for being on the
show and look forward to talking toyou again down the road. Always a
pleasure. Justin thanks, join mehere on overtime. He's a former congressman
from Illinois from our presidential Kennedy backin twenty twenty and the host of the
White Flag podcast, The One andOnly Joe Walsh. How you do a
(26:52):
joke? Damn good to be withyou. My friend always damn good to
have you and uh for fun thatdon't really know your your journey from from
like super ultra maga guy to oneof the I would say leading voices in
the h the anti Trump movement whilestill being a conservative yourself has really been
(27:12):
something else. What was the pointin your in your kind of a journey
where you said, this is kindof messed up. I don't think I'm
aboard this Trump tree any lucker.When he got elected. When he got
elected, justin you and you knowthat look Trump Trump scared me straight.
(27:33):
He slapped me upside the head.I voted for him in twenty sixteen,
not because I loved him or liketo mean woodn't Hillary. I didn't really
pay attention to him. But thenwhen he got elected and I really started
to pay attention to everything he wassaying and doing, I just realized he's
a very bad, horrible person andwe just can't have that in the White
(27:56):
House, right And that's that's kindof when you uh, you know,
I've followed you on Twitter for forquite some time. You could there was
definitely a change in the way youkind of looked at things, and it
seems as like or it seems asthough that kind of brought you to a
place where you you kind of changedyour attitude about a lot of things.
Right, Did you start to lookat things more closely? Or Yeah,
(28:18):
Well I looked at myself more closelybecause I've been very honest. I'm a
very public guy. I I helpedelect Trump. Um, I helped create
the conditions for Trump. I.Uh, you talked about my journey.
It's it's a very unique journey.It's been a tougher than hell journey.
I don't know if anybody else who'sdone what I did. Um, who
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comes from the Tea Party, Magabase. Uh supported Trump and then left
it, and then in a verypublic way, went after him. Um.
I I look, I'm not aI'm no longer a Republican. I
believed then and I still believe.Both parties are messed up. Our political
system is messed up. I believedin twenty sixteen we needed disruption. That's
(29:06):
why I went to Congress. Butthere's good disruption and bad disruption. Donald
Trump lies every time he opens hismouth. I don't give a damn who
you are. Politically, we cannever and look, just every politician lies
sure, but we've never had anythinglike Trump, where he lies every time
(29:26):
he opens his mouth. We can'thave that. But look, when I
turned against Trump publicly, I wason one hundred two hundred radio stations around
the country. I was on FoxNews every day. I was a rising
star in right wing media. Andthe minute I turned on him, boom,
(29:48):
I lost all of that. Yeah, I was gonna say it,
your decision to kind of follow yourconscience cost you, not just politically,
but i'd venture to guess pretty heptilyfind nancially as well. So it's I
mean not that. Yeah, Iwas. I was on a radio station
up in Canada about four months agoand the guy that put me on and
he introduced me as Joe Walls,former congressman, the guy who took a
(30:14):
blowtorch to his career. Um,I love that because that's that's what I
did, period. And it's beenhard, but I mean, I couldn't
live with myself if I didn't.We're talking to Joe Walsh. He's the
host of the White Flag podcast.He'll see him pop up on cable news
on CNN, MSNBC and whatnot.They don't tend to like you on Fox
(30:36):
anymore. But I feel that that'sto your credit. We're in a situation
now where Trump is you know,he's the leading contender for the Republican nomination,
despite the fact that he's been indictedtwice. As of this recording.
Who knows what's going to happen inthe afternoon. We're taping this Friday at
noon, so who knows what willhappen by five pm? But uh,
(30:59):
a date was this sporting for hisdocuments trial in May. I'm of the
belief, even if he's convicted ofsomething, whether it's a January sixth indictment
and conviction the documents, I don'tthink the Stormy Daniel stuff is all that
big of a kind of a bigdeal, but in the greater sins,
not the bigger deal. I thinkeven if he's convicted and sitting in a
(31:21):
jail cell, he'll still be thenominees. At your view as well,
I'm pretty much there, and I'vepretty much always been there. He'll be
indicted for January six that'll be athird indictment, and justin next month,
Georgia will indict him right right thatphone call, damn it, find me
eleven thousand votes. He'll be indictedfor that as well, But I'm with
(31:45):
you. Every indictment strengthens him inthis Republican party because this Republican party,
my former party, has been completelyradicalized. Look look, look here we
are two and a half years later, two and a half years after he
tried to end our democracy on Januarysixth, People forget this. Donald Trump
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led a violent attempt to overthrow anAmerican election. And justin that that didn't
make him a pariah, right,so nothing will. And I feel like,
and I mentioned in your view ofthis as well, because you you
served in Congress, you're you know, you have experience with the sort of
stuff. I feel like there waslike a two or three three week period
of time where Republicans got religion onthis. They were like, oh geez,
(32:31):
this is this is kind of themonster we created. We're gonna put
this back in the box. Andthere was I think a tiny bit of
momentum to maybe, you know,his second impeachment, to maybe convict him,
to prevent him from running for officeagain. And I don't know what
happened, but that went away prettydamn quick. Right, So, because
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I come from the base, thecrazy base, and I was part of
the crazy base. I talked tothem every day and justin your right.
After January sixth, there was abouttwo to three days there where even his
most hardcore supporters told me, whatthe f Joe, Oh my god,
(33:12):
this is like too much. Eventhey were like on their back haunches.
But then that changed. After afew days, it changed. Hannity goes
on TV, Tucker Carlson goes onTV. Some of the some of my
crazy former colleagues in Congress begin todefend him, and then the whole cycle
begins, and before you know it, they're all back with them. There
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was a window there, but itclosed real quickly. Yeah, it was.
It was pretty, uh fascinating.I guess this is one word,
kind of disheartening to watch all thishappened, even though I'm deeply cynical and
I figured something like this would happen. It's you know, when you see
Republican congressmen talking about January six itwas just a bunch of tourists. There
was this that, and even Iwas like, yeah, maybe I'm not
(33:59):
cynical enough, right, It's it'sabsolutely frightening. What And again, I
got a weird perspective because I comefrom Congress, and I come from right
wing media. When you've got thebiggest voices like Tucker Carlson and the others
out there saying exactly what you justsaid, that it was no big deal,
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their audience buys that and believes that, and that's where they are now.
So let me ask you this.You're you're a guy that's uh,
you know the Republican Party it wasas it was even ten fifteen years ago.
I think you'd still be a Republican. Uh, what will it take
for not necessarily a reset because Ithink we're in a different era now,
what will it take for the RepublicanParty as we do it to kind of
(34:45):
uh get its get its bleeped togetherfor lack of a dinner term, or
will it will there have to belike a split amongst the folks that follow
Trump no matter what, and themaybe traditional rom ask Reagan, ask Republicans
or what happens? In your viewas a guy that's kind of been in
(35:05):
the weeds on this, I thinkit's done. I think I think the
Republican Party, this party is onthe path it's on and I don't see
it changing. I think this RepublicanParty is shrinking and dying as a national
party. I think it's going tobe a hardcore populist, white nationalist,
(35:30):
rural regional party. And I thinkjustin we're at the beginning stage of the
creation of a more principled center rightconservative party. Gonna take a long time
to get there, but I thinkI don't think this party can ever reset
and be what it was. Iagree with you one hundred percent. My
(35:52):
fear that is in the interim theway American politics is set up with you
know, with Jerry Mannering that's goneon, with the electoral college. It
only it doesn't take a whole lotor you know, Donald Trump could absolutely
win the next election, and thenis there an election after that? You
know what I mean, who knowswhat happens, you know. And I
(36:15):
don't think it's hyperbole to say thatbecause we almost had a fascist dictatorship after
January six, we were we werefairly close, closer than I think most
people realize or would be comfortable with. So does the country How does the
country get through to the point wheremaybe we have two or three or four
there's probably be four at least fourpolitical parties, But how do we get
(36:37):
to the point where things stabilize,or is stabilization in American politics a thing
of the past at this point.So think about this. When I was
in Congress eight nine years ago,I said, then, and this was
before Trump, I said, Americais going through kind of our third political
revolution, the American Revolution, thisCivil War, and this I really and
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this was pre Trump. I reallybelieve we are having We're at the beginning
stages of a revolutionary period where wehave to figure out if we can keep
this thing together. I believe that. And I'm not a Marjorie Taylor Green
we need a national divorce crazyhead.I really believe that. I don't know
(37:22):
that we can stay unified as acountry. And so I think it's gonna
be bumpy, ugly and violent forin a while. Look Trump didn't cause
any of this. He's He's justan ugly consequence of where we're at.
It's gonna be painful. I'm anold guy. I don't think i'll see
changes really in my lifetime. YoungerAmericans are gonna have to pick it up.
(37:46):
But our political system is broken.The two party duopoly is broken.
We're gonna get to three parties orfour parties. It's going to be ugly
to get there, but we're gonnaWe're gonna get there. But to your
point, Trump could easily get electedagain, Sure, I think. I
think there's so many knuckleheads on theleft who dismissed that, Oh my god,
(38:08):
Joe Biden's one hundred and forty yearsold. Trump could easily get elected
again. When when I say theRepublican Party's a dying party, look,
Trump's like their last dying gas.But they still they still can read havoc
these next eight to ten years.For sure. Well, it's uh,
as I said, Uh, interestingis one word to use. I think
(38:30):
it's going to be interesting for historiansto look at this period of time,
you know, fifty to one hundredyears fro Now, before I let you
go, I want to want tolighten it up a bit. You're you're
a tequila guy. If my readingof your Twitter is correct. It's the
summer, this is the season oftequila. Uh, what's your tequila recommendations?
What you gotta brand? You likepastor you gotta tequila drinker. You're
(38:52):
just a tequila on the rocks kindof guy. So I don't push a
brand yet unless somebody pays me,then I'll push a brand. Well what's
your favorite? Well, well,I here's the funny thing, just I
don't like I only drink tequila becausemy doctor told me seven years ago,
Walsh, you'd like to drink,you got to drink tequila because it's better
(39:14):
on your gut. I have alot of stress, obviously, and it's
something about the natural sugars in tequilaare good for your gut. So I'm
really easy when it comes to tequila. I like a nice, simple black
oh butt justin. I typically drinka natural margarita, which is in my
mind it's, you know, agood black oh tequila, lime, triple
(39:36):
sec, maybe a touch of umsour, some some sweet sour um.
I typically like in the summers.I can't drink grape fruit juice anymore because
it's bad for my stomach, sosometimes I'll put a little pineapple in there.
Anything fruity with tequila. I love. It's fun getting old, right,
(39:58):
It's it's a yeah. And thelast question, I joked about this
with you through text a few monthsago. But your guy Aaron Rodgers is
now in New York Jet Are youreally gonna root for the Are you really
gonna root for the Jets? Doyou really need that much stress in your
life? Good grief? I ahey, mister, I will I will
bet you right now, let's doit. They will win the super Bowl
(40:22):
this year. They will win thesuper Bowl. But they will win the
Super Bowl. I say yes.Do you say no? I say no?
What aren't we betting a bottle oftequila for me? And if if
they don't win, you're gonna sendme a bottle of twelve year old Scotch.
How about that? Don Dune,Dune Dune, that's our bet.
I am a Jets fan. Ilove Aaron Rodgers. He's just my favorite.
(40:43):
They're gonna be good. Do youthink they'll be good? Though?
Right? I do think they'll begood. I think Aaron Rodgers in December
are not too great taste. Ittastes great together, but uh, we'll
see now Now I got something ridingon it. As a patrons guy hated
the Jets anyway, now I couldreally hate him, so I appreciate you
given that to me. But JoeWallace, this was a ton of fun,
as much as talking about the endof times can be. Hope we
(41:07):
can do this again. Sometime soonanytime, my friend, Thank you.
Welcome back to overtime and running outof show a little bit here thanks to
my guest today, Chris Galdieria ofsant Anselm College. Also I texted Joe
Wall. She hosts the White Flagpodcast. You can get that wherever you
get podcasts. And of course,if you missed any part of this show,
(41:28):
it will be a podcast. Aboutfive minutes after the show ends,
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(41:50):
who doesn't want to help me?I mean, good grief. I rule.
Coming up on the next few weeksof the show, I think we're
gonna start to shift into more ofa more of a sports mode. It's
been a lot of been a lotof political today, especially with a lot
of political stuff, a lot ofpolitics. College football is like a month
away. I don't know if you'reaware of this. Your age football kicks
(42:12):
off in like five weeks, andI will have I'll have an announce been
regarding you and age football broadcast comingup sooner rather than later, but we're
keeping that one tucked away for rightnow. Another big market tease for you.
But no college football is gonna startsoon FBS, I think is like
less than a either a month orless than a month, right around thirty
(42:35):
days away from from their week zerogames. The NFL will follow shortly thereafter,
so well, we're definitely gonna havesome more football content on this program
in the weeks to come. Sothat is just about gonna wrap it up
once again. Thanks to my guess, Chris Caldi, Arie Joe Walsh,
Thanks to you for listening, andremember, hippies are bad people pretending to
be good. Punks are good peoplepretending to be bad. I'll see you
(42:58):
next week.
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