August 26, 2023 • 43 mins
This week Justin is joined by Chris Galdieri of Saint Anselm College to discuss the GOP Debate - who won? Who lost? Did any of it matter? (Probably not)
Also joining the show is Jeff Pearlman, the author of "Showtime", the book "Winning Time" on HBO is based off of (He's written a ton of other books too, on subjects ranging from the 1986 Mets to Barry Bonds to the 90's Cowboys and more).
Also joining the show is Jeff Pearlman, the author of "Showtime", the book "Winning Time" on HBO is based off of (He's written a ton of other books too, on subjects ranging from the 1986 Mets to Barry Bonds to the 90's Cowboys and more).
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Well, then over Time the onlyradio show to take part in the Berlin
Airlift back in the nineteen forties.That's true, you can look that up.
I mean devastatingly handsome and humble.Host Jessin mccasac. On today's program,
we talked to Chris Calldi, areaof standing in some college about the
Republican presidential debate that happened this weekand if it actually meant anything. Also,
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we get into a Simpson sub referencecontest, although that was kind of
an unconscious thing. It just sortof happened. One guy makes one sub
reference and another guy makes another subreference, then it's off to the races.
It's really not anything that could becontrolled. It's more of a force
of nature at that point. Alsotalk to Jeff Perlman. He wrote the
book Showtime, which was turned intothe HBO series Winning Time about the Los
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Angeles Lakers dynasty. He joined usfrom the West Coast. Talked about the
show, how it came to bea really interesting tibot on the guy that
plays Larry Bird and who that almostwas. This is what you call a
big marketease where I don't tell youwho it almost was. You have to
listen to the rest of the showand then you figure it out as always
listen, subscribe to the podcast andall that. If you missed the show
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live, you can do that onyour favorite podcast apps. The company likes
me to tell you the iHeart Radioapp. But do whatever you want,
Okay, Spotify, Apple, Pocket, whatever, whatever floats your pone,
just just as long as you're pushingmy numbers up, because that's really what's
important is is me. So whathappened this week, Well, the Donald
Trump was rested again. I feellike at this point it's this one was
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a little different because we got thebug shot and he tried to tried to
look like Churchill and the mug shothe's all, I'm gonna make a mean
face, and really it looked like, yeah, he had made a three
am tacoll bell run and it wasnow four thirty and Taco Bella is trying
to make a second appearance. That'sthat's the impression his mean mugging gave me.
It didn't look tough. You know, he's he never looks good,
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but at this point he looks evenworse. And the letting him fill out
the thing with his weight At twofifteen is I guess if you're gonna lie
about it, just lie real huge, because there's the guy's sixty three some
of the big macs and drinks dietcoast. There's no way, and you
know, we've all seen the picturesof him golfing. And believe me,
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I'm no deodorant at at this pointeither. So I'm not really one to
cast stones, but in this case, I absolutely will, Like, if
that guy weighs two fifteen, thenI'm six two and I weigh two fifteen.
So but I do respect the factthat he's lying so harshly about that,
so voluminously that that you can't allyou can do is kind of shake
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your head. People were betting onthis too, by the way. I
think the over under I saw onTwitter was on some sports books was set
at two hundred and seventy six anda half pounds, and I didn't check
to see if no bet was calledon these because he was I think the
bet was contingent on him actually steppingon a scale at the Fulton County Courthouse,
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because that's normally if a normal persongets booked, they weigh you,
they check your height, you know, they do the mugshot if they do
the fingerprints. People talk about therebeing two justice systems. But when a
rich guy rich guy in paper,I guess. But when a rich guy
rolls in and is arrested for,you know, trying to steal an election,
they don't actually make him step onus. See. I feel that's
the least they could do, right, Like his face is no real consequences
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for this yet hasn't done a lickof prison time. Guy tried to do
a coup and the most that's happenedis, you know, everybody that was
in his cabinets running against him andlosing quite terribly, so there's been real
no consequences. I feel like anappropriate consequence would have been to make him
step on a scale so we canall make fat jokes about him. And
I'm not for making fat jokes aboutanybody in the world or body shaming anybody
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in the world except for Donald Trump. Then I think it's okay. There's
exceptions to every rule, and Ithink this is an exception that needs to
be made in the Bekaasa household.Today was this part of the show.
This is the latest I'm ever recordinganything for the show. The Shore of
course, of course airs on Saturdays. Most of the stuff has taped well
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in advance, and then if theworld changes before the show airs, we
going to make edits. But thisthis part, we're taping it eight just
about eight thirty on Friday night,and today we dropped off Kiely mckayasa at
college and it's just, uh,I feel like Rende and I did good
during the day. Kiely was cryinglast night. You know that's Killey's very
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shy. It's her first time,you know, living away from home except
for like a week of Disney.Those of you that are big fans of
the show may recall, but Reneecame on to talk about our trial run
with having an empty nest. Well, now now it's a real deal because
Cam goes back to school our sonthis uh this weekend as well. But
now now it's kind of settling.The dogs acting up because he knows Kiely's
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not around, or maybe I'm justprojecting my own sadness upon the stupid things
that dog does. Uh. Soit's uh, you know, it's it's
it's a little melancholy. It's good, It's it's part of growing up for
Kiely. Uh, it's part ofuh you know, the the ever changing
life Scraam parade for rain. IAs as parents, do you, I
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guess you still call yourself as parentsand your kids are adults, right,
you don't ever stop calling yourself aparent the parents of adult children. Although
as we all have figured out,and even me who's forty five, you're
there's a bit of arrested development goingon with everybody. Everybody got set back
about five ten years, i'd saywith COVID even though that was well,
we're still in the midst of it, but the worst part of it was
only about two years or so.But I feel like everybody kind of got
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knocked back about ten years. Soanyway, we're we're all getting through that,
and that's the best way to getthrough that is just to keep getting
through it. So I know youwere very worried about me personally and Renee
those of you that listening on it. So we're we're we're we're gonna keep
on keeping on and see how thatgoes. College football starts this weekend.
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I'm very excited about that. Thegames are not great, uh not ture
names playing Navy in Ireland, whichwe'll see how that goes. I think
Navy as a new coach, sowe'll see if they get away from the
triple options stuff. No ture nameis fun to hate. Their their coach
is not hateable like Brian Kelly was, so they're a little less fun to
hate now, but it's always youknow, when they lose. If kind
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of makes everybody happy, So that'llbe fun to watch. I of course
we'll be watching Albany Fordham because AI'm a sicko and b. Albany plays
in the University of New Hampshire's conference, which is now called the Coastal Athletic
Association, not the Colonial Athletic Associationas it was, so I'll be making
Renee sit through Albany Fordham. She'llprobably be watching ANIME on her phone while
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I have that on the big TV. But I'm very excited to college football's
back, formula ones back. Allsorts of fun things happening this weekend to
kind of balance off the the melancholyof an empty nest, which we now
have to start getting used to bythat. I'm the show airs next week.
There may be five dogs in ourhouse. I don't know that's how
that could go. All right,We're gonna take a time about when we
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come back, we're gonna talk toChris Calldieri about the debates that happened this
week. You'll also hear from JeffPerlman, and we'll come back on the
other side of that too, witha couple of questions about who actually goes
to banks anymore. This was adiscussion that happened in my house not more
than an hour ago, and Iwas thinking about this anyway because I had
to go in to the bank forsomething this week. So that's when we
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come back. This is over time, keep it here, joining us here
on the program. I feel comfortablesaying friend of the program, the one
I only Chris called the area ofSaint Anselm College. Chris, how's it
going to this morning? Pretty good? How are you justin good? Good?
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So Debate number one we've taken thison Thursday, of course the show
airs on Saturday. But debate numberone of the books last night. What's
your initial impressions of that first debate? A couple of things. One is
that I thought Mike Pence and NickyHaley had really good nights. I think
those are two candidates that a lotof people have sort of written off as
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is failing to launch or struggling.Ramaswamy uh is doing this sort of sort
of hyperactive debate kid thing that Ithink is is working for him because I
think he's sort of, you know, he's just delivering exactly what the audience
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in that room and the audience andRepublican primaries wants to hear. And you
could tell how much he was gettingunder the skin of everybody else on that
stage. It was like, uhPete boodha Jedge versus seven Amy klob Chars.
They wanted to backhand him, right, yeah, yeah, I mean
they were just just like, whowho is this guy? What if?
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Like, you know, why areyou on this stage? Why are you
on the middle of this stage?It's and and so I think you could
just you know, you could almostsee the frustration wafting off of the other
candidates. I don't I don't thinkthe Santis had a bad night, but
he was almost like, you know, he just sort of vanished for huge
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chunks of of the debate, likenobody even really bothered attacking him, which
is you know, he's been presentinghimself as the the you know, front
runner up for for a couple ofyears here and thank you, I just
made that up. You have atrademark down immediately. Yeah. Yeah,
but you know, he just sortof like, you know, nobody was
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going after him. You know,we heard that there was this you know,
strategy memo for what to do whenyou're when there's a pile on,
and there was no pile on.It was just sort of ron Yeah.
So on the on the Hampshire todaythis morning, I think I posited that's
really bad news for him that everybodywas like, yeah, he's kind of
sick in his own ship. Wedon't need to, uh, we don't
need to help him out. He'suh, he's doing all the warrant for
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us. And I thought like,you know, people, you know,
it showed business you'd rather be hatedthan ignored, and he was agored last
night. Yeah. Yeah, hejust he just faded into the background for
huge chunks of it. When hewas uh questioned, he was he was
okay a lot of the time.I don't think he had you know,
a terrible performance, but you know, it just he was not the factor
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that I think people were expecting himto be. Yeah, And what struck
me is that, I because theI had this argument with the NBA starting
Finals games at nine because it wason at nine. I didn't watch any
of it. I watched that kindof clips. I also wanted to see
what people's reaction would be afterwards,how the you know, because the debate
is the debate, it's how peopleperceive it. That right ultimately ends up
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mattering. And uh, yeah,it was a whole lot of Nikki Hall.
It was a whole lot of theVick Ramaswami, a lot of my
Pants, a little Chris Christie deSantist. People noted how unnotable he was,
and or Asa Hutchinson that Tim Scottwas anonymous too, which was,
yeah, pretty surprising giving the hypetrade that's been building for Tim Scott.
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Yeah, and I think I thinkwith Tim Scott in particular, you have
somebody, you know, he's beenin the Senate for a decade. People
in the Senate generally like him andthink think well of him. He's from
an important primary state, but youknow, he just hasn't caught fire.
And I think, you know,there's a case for him that is basically,
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you know, look, let's justput up a you know, a
nice, friendly conservative who's got acompelling life story. You know, he's
talked about, you know, povertyin his childhood. He gives a talk
on being a black man in Americaand being pulled over for having too nice
a car and that sort of thing. That is a perspective you don't often
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hear from UH in a Republican primary. But I just don't know that he's
shown that he's ready for prime timein that way yet. Yeah, I
think, and I think where theRepublican Party is, in my opinion,
that's a party of grievance and vengeance, and he seems to be the opposite
of those kind of ideals. Ithink even twelve years ago he would have
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been an ideal candidate. But intoday's Republican Party, and you could you
could kind of see the split thatfolks like you and I have talked about
for a while kind of manifesting onthe stage. Right, you had Vivigaramaswamy,
who who reminded me of like we'veall been in a situation or maybe
it's just me, where you endup talking to somebody who who just kind
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of does the the YouTube algorithm justkind of figured out how to make them
like a ferno fascist and he gives, you know, just like a veneer
of these ideas U and if youmix that with some pixie sticks, a
big swami is what you've got.And we've all kind of encounters with those
people, and you've been up makingthe same faces that the other Republicans made.
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But he seems to be like youngRepublicans want to hear some older ones
too, and the more establishment nickyHillys Mike Pences, we're like, yeah,
get off my lawn. What areyou doing to her kid? Yeah,
exactly, And you know, Pencewas it was like do you need
I think at one point he saysthinglike do you need me to say?
That's slower where it was like,I've been in the room where things happen.
I've been a governor, I've beenvice president, I've been in Congress,
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but it's not liscenary. Go wow, Mike Pence actually has a really
impressive resume. But there's a hugechunk of the Republican electorate that does not
care about your credentials, that doesnot care about your experience. They just
want to hear, Yeah, fossilfuels are are going to liberate America from
everything. I don't like and youknow, as you said, it's all
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this grievance stuff. And the contrastto what Republicans were like when I was
growing up in the eighties. Uh, you know, Ronald Reagan, the
first president, Bush Conservatives, Republicans, they were very, very optimistic,
right. It was all about itsmorning in America, We're going to build
a bright future, all all thisstuff. And it turns out they were
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saying those things because they were winning. And now that you know, Republicans
that are are struggling electorally, nowthat their party has been taken over by
Donald Trump and people who want toout Trump Trump, like Ramaswamy. You
know, as you said, it'snow it's all about grievance. So somebody
like Mike Pennz who was like basicallysaying I was there for the Reagan Revolution.
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Somebody liked Tim Scott, who atone point just said, can we
stop being childish? Can we stopyou know, picking in each other and
talk about issues? Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so you'd have these
bizarre portions of the night where youknow, Nikki Hilley was talking about abortion
policy and then Mike Pence would respondwith, well, I have a different
take on what the party's policy onabortion should be. So that was an
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actual debate about actual policy. Hehad glimmers of that about Ukraine as well,
But and I think that was anothermoment where Christie in particular was like,
Vivic Ramaswami, you have no ideawhat you're talking about. You're just
trying to get applause lines. Thisis real, this is serious, this
is a thing that's affecting people's lives. But that's not what a lot of
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folks in that audience wanted, andnot what a lot of folks who were
going to be voting in Republican primarieswon't they want to hear. How are
you going to lay down, laybring low our enemies? How are you
going to avenge the injustice wreaked uponDonald Trump and all all the rest of
it? And that's just a weirdway to run a debate. It's interesting.
There's I think there's a book tobe written, or maybe there's been
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several written already. I don't know, But I'm more of a TikTok watcher
than a reader these days, butas is most of America, unfortunately,
But there's a book to be writtenabout I feel like the Republicans reference you
know, Ronald Reagan, Georgie's wBush, even to some extent George W.
Bush, although is kind of turninga little bit there due to the
War on Terror. It's a lotof the same policies and philosophies. There
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was just like a candy coating ontop of it. Uh that that that
made it like a palatable to youknow, your average voter, like,
oh, you know, optimally,like who does it like American? I
like America? Why wouldn't like inAmerica? Sure? Why not? And
then he dug a little deeper,and I think a lot of people were
like, that's so crazy about thesepolicies, but I do like America.
And you know all these yeah,these other things that are selling now the
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candy coding has gone, and it'sjust like take down, take this,
We're gonna ye heard all these fossilfuels. Yeah, And and it's just
it's just, you know, it'sforgetting that there's a general election two,
right, and you know you needto get you know, you don't necessarily
you fifty percent plus one because ofthe electoral college, but you've still gotta
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you know, getting more votes isgenerally better in presidential elections, and instead
it's like, you know, intothe after two thousand, Republicans didn't want
to talk about it. They didn'twant it. They just they just didn't
talk about the electorc They just wantedeverybody to forget that. Trump kind of
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just doubled down on it, andall through the twenty twenty campaign there's this
whole thing where you're like, youknow it, people figured out, wait,
he doesn't even care about winning thepopular vote. It's a what's the
minimal path to to seventy which eventuallysomebody was going to figure that out and
start doing that. It just happensto have been Donald trumpcs get degrees version
of winning the presidency, right,yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's like
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some eighteenth century board game and youknow, you figured it out. Somebody
figured out a hack, and youknow, the designers of the game are
dead, and it's really hard tochange it, change the rules. But
so you get you don't get whatyou have in normal elections. Right when
Chris and Noon, who runs forgovernor, he's trying to get fifty percent
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plus one. You don't have todo that for president anymore. But you
still have to do something close.So it's just weird. I think the
Republicans are setting themselves up for frustrationbecause they videotape these debates. Do you
know, you when you say thingslike we're going to fossil fuel our way
to the future, you know,I don't know how well that's gone to
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play in a general election among peoplewho aren't already really hardcore on that.
Same thing with pardnering Trump, samething with talking about weaponizing the justice system,
and I think most people are like, wait, no, these are
serious charges. Like I was watchingTV on January sixth, I saw what
happened. We all saw it.Yeah, yeah, like this this is
a thing that actually happened. Youremember what we were talking about either,
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do I? Yeah, just bewritten on the Candy Coders policies. But
yeah, but you mentioned Donald Trump. And they didn't mentioned Donald Trump in
the debate last Wednesday night until halfwaythrough, which as a former pro wrestler,
I can tell you you don't putthe main event out first. You
make people stick around until after anintermission, and then they see the main
eventor which of course is Donald Trump. So I guess two questions here.
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A is is this debate academic anyway? Because Trump's leading by so much,
it be the fact that he wasn'ttalked about all this much. Is Trump
gonna pull a a Pucci on TheSimpsons when Homer said, when when Pucci's
on screen, all the characters shouldbe saying, where's Pucci? What's he
showing up? Is that gonna makehim show up at the second debate?
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Hey don't know, Okay, solet's do the first part. Is it
all academic? I would say no, because you know, Donald Trump is
facing ninety one criminal charges. Itseems so yeah, it's a lot.
That's ninety one more than I've everfaced. I won't speak for you on
that front, but but that meansthat, you know, there's this cloud
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of uncertainty hanging over this entire process, where you know, look, is
the most likely outcome that Donald Trumpis the Republican nominee? I would say
yes. Are their worlds where heactually gets good lawyers who convince him,
you know, you need to pleaseout or you're going to spend time in
county jail in uh in Georgia.Uh. Maybe so you know, maybe
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there's a plea deal that where heagrees to never run for office again,
and you know, do some sortof you know, public recantation of everything
he's ever said about the twenty twentyelection or something. Maybe he actually gets
convicted. Uh maybe you know,some state says we're not putting you on
the ballot. Section three of Articlefourteen says you're an insurrectionist and you can't
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hold office. Court Yeah, andthe Spring Court says, yeah, we
agree to that point. Agree.Corky Bester, who was endorsed by Trump,
but the twenty twenty election kind ofbroke news on New Hampshire Today this
week saying he's going to beat withSecretary of State Scaling and by the time
the sayers, I think I'll havehad the media on Friday to discuss just
that. So yeah, exactly,Trump might not even be on the New
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Hampshire primary ballot, which there's awhole other you know, primaries essentially like
a it's not an election election,it's like a there's a whole thing behind
that too, So right, right, who knows what could happen. There
could have be as Edvard Milla termedit, or maybe it was David Roth,
one of my one of the otherguests I've had on here, the
impeachment by Mother Nature that's in playas seventy seven. He's seventy seven,
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and he lives on diet coke andbig Max, so you know, all
sorts of So all you have allthese sort of individually low probability events that
add up to you know, there'sa decent chance that you know, actually
Trump isn't the nominee, or isn'table to be the nominee, or ends
his campaign or has his campaign endedfor him, which means that if any
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if one of those things happens,then it's likely that one of the eight
people on that stage last night isgoing to be the Republican nominee. So
it does matter that these folks aregetting to talk to primary voters and they
are debating these issues. So yeah, I mean Trump is sort of hanging
over all of this, but youknow it's quite possible that you know,
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by you know, by the timepeople are actually voting, he's not right.
And then does this make him showup? My guess is probably not,
because he's still leading by forty tofifty points. You know that man,
I mean like I'm an attention horror. That man makes me look like
a wallflower, right, I meanthat Tucker Carlson thing went over with it.
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I hate to say this to somebodyso distinguishes you. That went over
like a feign church. Nobody,nobody watched it, nobody's talking about it.
Everybody's talking about everything, body elsebut him this morning until of course
he's arrested later today on Thursday whenwe take this. So I feel like
he's gonna see all that and belike, I d no, no,
I can't let them get away withouttalking about me. But I mean,
you're the one that studies this andhas yeah, no, no, and
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it's it's possible. But I thinkyou know, the other thing that could
be going on is tr Trump's criminallawyers are telling him, no, you
can't go to a debate because we'vemet you. You will be bated.
Chris Christie, will you know,say something that gets under your skin and
you will say something that tanks oneof your one or two or three or
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four of your upcoming trials. Youknow, just you know, he says
something off the cuff and it totallyundoes some defense these guys have been working
on for months. So you know, it's sort of like, you know,
you could have good Homer over heresaying, you know, don't go
to the debate, and evil Homerover here saying You've got to go to
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the debate. Donald, It's timefor the debate. Come on, slices
of American cheese, March. Ithink I'm blind, But you know,
my guess is he stays away.My guess is he keeps trying to counter
program. But again, I thinkthat's another example of this really bizarre circumstance
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we're in where the leading candidate kindof campaign that much right, and when
he does, he's supposed to watchwhat he says. Well, Dommy Trump
has never watched what he says ever. Ever, This is why, like,
you know, he's a terrible clientto have as a lawyer, because
you cannot put him on the standbecause he will perjure himself because he will
take whatever bate the prosecutor puts down. You know, think about that first
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debate with Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. She just kept, you know,
saying something and Trump would freak outand respond wildly to it, and he
just he can't not do that.He is not that fury Road gift of
Max saying no, that's bait that'snever him. I think we've we've had
our limit for sub references. ButI think we're gonna keep pressing right through
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that. But Chris called the alreadystandards of college joined me on the show
today. So is that what allthese other candidates are are banking God,
is that something happens to Trump andthey are going to slide into that number
one spot like they're first runner upto Miss America given how many pageants he
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used to run. And is thatwhat you think they're banking on? Or
do these folks really think that eventuallythe tide's gonna turn Republican voters after eight
years of all evidence say to thecontrary, are gonna say we've had enough
of this day? Are they countingon one of those scenarios we talked about.
I think that's part of it.I think there are some folks who
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are also, you know, puttingtheir name or keeping their name out there
and hoping that, well, ITrump does get the nominee, he's probably
not picking Pens a second time.Uh yeah, not like you know,
for for Haley and Scott in particular. I think you know, those are
folks where you see the case forthem for vice president pretty clearly, it
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boosts your name, uh Ramaswamy,I think will be uh if he somehow
doesn't wind up as president, indemand as a speaker, and he'll probably
write another book and maybe get atalk show or something out of it,
or you know, start a podcast. And then you know there's uh,
let's say, uh, you knowthere's uh weit well into in twenty four
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if Biden gets re elected, hecan't run for a third term. Uh
So in four years, Uh,there's another race. And you know,
it's not uncommon, especially for Republicans, for somebody to run once due respectively,
even though they lose, and thenrun again four years later and win
the nomination. So it could bethat, you know, let's say Tim
Scott, you know, doesn't getit this time, but he you know,
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makes a good impression, he doesn'talienate anybody. A lot of folks
are saying, gosh, maybe TimScott would have would have won against Age,
would have won against Biden, andthat puts him in a good position
for twenty twenty eight. So Ithink there's you know, all sorts of
calculus going on about, well,what can running for for president due for
me? Besides possibly getting the electedpresident, right, you know who else
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can run at twenty twenty eight,assuming he's not breaking rocks and Fulton County
jail. Donald Trump. That's true, that's true. And you know you
do have to wonder like, let'ssay he gets the domination and loses and
is in jail. You know,does he try to run again, does
he still try to maintain control ofthe Republican Party or is that finally the
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point at which everyone says, youknow what this is, this is not
working for us as a party.Maybe we should maybe we should move on
and you know, run somebody who'snot Donald Trump. But it's just it's
it's I don't I don't understand howpolitical party gets to this point. Uh,
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it's uh, it's horrible for therepublic. But part of me really
wants to see him trying to doa national buddy siancy. But that's that's
because I'm a sicko. But ChrisGoldy already saying that some college like someone
should being on the show, andwe'll talk. Always a pleasure, all
right, thanks. Justin Jordan ishere in overtime is the author of many,
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many books, all of which Ihaven't read all of them, but
the ones I've read have been fantastic. The latest one has been turned into
Winning Time, The Rise of theLakers Diocea, which is probably watching on
HBO Max or Max or whatever they'recalling it right now. I still call
it HBO Max. But Jeff Pearlmanjoins this. Jeff, thanks for being
on the show. Yeah, it'sgood, good news that the ones you
have not read all suck so youmade why Well, you don't know which
(28:29):
ones I haven't read, so howdo you know those ones suck? I'm
just gonna assume the bad ones havegone on read. So it's good.
It's good you're caught up. It'smore, I'd say it's more of a
character flaw of me not being ableto create enough time to read enough stuff
that I want to read. Butbefore I ask you a little bit about
Winning Time, I do I dowant to praise the hell out of The
Bad Guys One, which is thefirst book of yours I read, and
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even as a Red Sox fan likereading that was that was just h I
guess I can't say a joy toread, because you know that screw that
Mets team, but it was itwas a really fascinating agreed about that team.
Oh, thank you so much.I mean it's I think it's easier
and more digestible for Red Sox fans, you know, of the modern era,
because you've had enough success that nineteeneighty six than haunt you like it
(29:15):
did so many socks fans of theeighties. So you're probably just did a
better mental head place than others wouldhave been. So it's good. Yeah,
I'm never in a good mental headplace, but yeah, probably better
than than than before. Uh So, let's let's talk about winning time.
You've you've been very active on Twitterand and another outlet's talking about there's a
chance that might not be renewed fora third season, which I think would
(29:37):
be a shame because I'm really I'menjoying the hell out of the show.
What is it the thing that hasAPO told you that they're thinking about canceling
it for the third season or whatwhat leads you to believe we might not
get a third season or a fourthseason and beyond out of this? Well,
I honest see it's a question ofnumbers, like the early numbers were
not great, and it's it ispicking up. I will say to my
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my happiness. But you know,it's a it's a really expensive show to
make, and that you have twostrikes going on. You have a writer
strike going on, you have anactor strike going on. So promotion of
the show has not been wonderful becauseusually, non strike, all the actors
would be able to post on theirsocial media. Is that your interviews everywhere,
and it's really left up to acouple of slubs, now myself included.
(30:19):
So that's kind of tough, itreally is. So it's just like
it needs better numbers to survive,Like I am aware of that full that
it needs better numbers to survive.And that's why I'm out there kind of
pimping this thing because I actually lovethis show and I think people love it.
And the other thing is is thatI kept getting for a while like
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wait the show is on. Wait, I didn't wait, where is it
on my app? Wait? Andthat was really exasperating. But I think
I think things are starting to workout a little bit. Yeah, it
doesn't seem like it's always done thebest job they could promoting the show.
I mean it's I mean, youknow it comes up on my Hey you
new episodes out because I watched itevery week. Yeah, you know Monday
(31:00):
morning after premiers on Sunday, oryou know, the episode premiers on Sundays.
But have you spoken to hboving Hey, can you give this thing a
little more juice? Or or howhow have those docs gone? I mean,
I'm just a guy who wrote thebook. Yeah, there's only so
much I can do. I mean, I'm heavily involved with the show,
but I don't have like a tryof have like a red phone that goes
direct to HBO and they can youknow, I mean, I can yell
(31:22):
at anyone. When I've talked withpeople a l They've been great. And
the people who worked at are likethe publicists and all those people. I
know they're working hard and I knowthey're trying. I just it's it's definitely
a little underwhelming in some areas.So how involved were you with the you
know, the casting, the show, the you know the picture or how
involved I guess were you with theproduction aspect of the TV show or are
(31:45):
you involved at all? Yeah?Actually it's been really cool. I Mean
a lot of times when when authorssell books and the books are made into
something, the production basically says,all right, thanks and goodbye, and
they send you a check and youmove on, or maybe they invite you
to set one day and take apicture with the star and then you move
(32:06):
on. And this has been prettyheavy handed, I say, inspects season
two more so than season one.Irito, all the scripts go over all
the scripts do like thorough fact checkingsof the scripts. I speak with the
you know, with the production teammultiple times a week. I was allowed
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to sort of be involved, youknow. I have some intra in the
casting this season. Watch the demoreels as they were coming in. I
feel like they viewed me as afact checking line of defense. I'm in
an episode this season. My wifeand my kids were in an episode last
season. It's just been kind ofdreamy. Actually. I thought it would
(32:49):
be very little and it's actually beenpretty kept, pretty time consuming. Talk
about Jeff Perlman, who is theauthor of a million books, which I
now have to get caught up on, including Showtime, which winning time on
HBO Max is based off of thecasting I think of this show is brilliant,
especially John c Riley as Jerry Boss. Adrian Brody knocks it out of
the park. I think as aspat Riley were involved in the casting aspect
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of this, And oh I shouldmentioned Michael Chiklis's Red Hour Back. I
think is the might be the bestpiece of casting I've seen in a TV
show in a long long time.Yeah, I can't take much. I
can't take credit for the castings.It's ridiculously good. I actually think,
to me, the three that reallyblow me away are Quincy, Isaiah Is,
(33:36):
Magic Solomon uses Kareem and Sean PatrickSmalls Larry Bird because there are three
actors and no one has heard ofbefore, right, and they're three guys
like yeah, Like, I thinkthe chicklist casting is amazing, but we've
all seen Michael Chicklis in something andAdrian Brodie amazing, but Adrian Berdie is
always amazing. But to be ableto cast someone as ubiquitous as Magic Johnson
and do it so well with theguy who was bi See, a regional
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actor who really was best known forplaying college football as an offensive lineman at
Callum a Zoo College, I justthink it is one of the great casting
jobs of recent history. And theLarry Bird casting San Patrick Small he actually
was They already had cast it forBow Burnham, the comedian was going to
play Larry Bird really and he droppedYeah, and he dropped out at the
(34:22):
last minute and they needed a replacementand Sean found out about sort of the
casting sent in as real and theycast him very very quickly, and I
think that's serendipity because he's amazing.Yeah, I can't see Bo Burnham as
playing Larry Bird. I kind offeel like that might have been a disaster.
That's just me though, I mean, especially you know this this show
(34:44):
airs in New Hampshire, so we'reall Celtics fans. We all worship at
the altar of Larry Bird, ofcourse. But yeah, I mean the
casting of Larry Bird is spot on. And uh yeah, Quincy Isaiah's Magic
Johnson. To your point, QuincyIsaiah, doesn't he have had his own
Wikipedia page trying to look him up, and there's not a lot of information
you can find on him. Soyeah, the sort of quote unquote lesser
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known actors playing these big parts havereally really been outstanding. I remember when
Quincy was cast and I was like, who the hell is this guy?
And you google him and you seenothing, and I'm like googling Quincy Isaiah,
there's nothing there. And someone said, no, google Quincy Crosby because
his last name is Crosby. Andthen you see it's like football highlights from
like eleventh grade in high school,you know what I'm saying. And he's
(35:27):
his early offensive lineman slamming into thedefensive tackle. Yeah he was. I
mean, it's kind of one ofthe things I really love about the show
or the experience. It's that.And I said that to Quincy before.
I'm like, give her like,you're starring in an HBO series with chahn
Cy Riley and Rob Morgan and SallyField. Doesn't that kind of blow your
head? And He's like, yeah, it does. It's kind of crazy.
(35:50):
So they definitely appreciate it. Andit's this great casting. We're talking
about Jeff Perlman, who's the authorof Showtime, which has turned into Winning
Time, The Rise of the LakersDynasty. So folks like me who are
super dorks for the show, whatcan we do to kind of put pressure
on HBO to make sure there's aseason three, season four and beyond.
I mean, do we have toget on Twitter and bug people? I
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guess people don't write letters anymore,but do we have to send emails?
What would be your recommendation to kindof raise the awareness that Winning Time might
be a little bit of trouble andwe want to see more of this in
the years to come. I mean, it would be amazing if you actually
put pressure on someone to write aletter and like, that's what I'm gonna
Grandma, Grandma, you know,Bessie in Wooster. Besides, I'm going
(36:36):
to write a letter, a sternlyworded letter, and that actually letter saves
the show. That would be oneof the most amazing moments. And that'd
be a movie. That'd be acinematic moment. But honestly, honestly,
the best thing you can do andlisteners can do is just watch the show
and keep the numbers rising and risingand rising, because the show just needs
momentum. That's it. It justneeds momentum and needs viewership to show to
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people that this is a worthwhile thingthat can nue. All right now,
Jeff, what are you What areyour future projects? What are you working
on right now? Anything coming downthe pike? Are you still kind of
searching for what the next book isgoing to be about? I'm doing my
first non sports book, or doinga biography of Chupac the rapper. Yeah,
so I'm stepping out. I've beengetting a lot of tattoos all over
(37:19):
my body. I'm smoking a lotof blunts. I'm taking some beers,
you know, well death Row.Yeah, in today's world, drink a
lot of beer, smoking a lotof blunts might not be the worst thing
you can do. But but Jeff, I appreciate you taking some time.
Make sure you all check out WinningTime on in Max. I guess it's
called you still call it HBO MaxAirs Live Sunday nights. I always watching
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it first thing I get home fromwork on Monday. But check it out
whenever you can. And Jeff,best of luck for the show, Best
of luck for the new book,and thanks so much for being on the
show. All right, thanks forhaving me on much appreciate it. Welcome
back to overtime. Fourth and finalsegment of the program. I think the
Chris Scaldieri, who had joined usfrom San Anselm College talking about the debates.
(38:04):
Also Jeff Perlman. Jeff Pearlman's gotI think he's got up to ten
books at this point. I've onlyread two of them, which I kind
of mentioned to Jeff while he wason the show. The only ones I've
read are The Bad Guys one whichI told him how great that was.
And I've read about half to threequarters of A Football for a Buck,
The Story of the USFL, thebook he wrote about the nineteen nineties Dallas
(38:28):
Cowboys got great reviews. That teamwas an absolute bleep show. I also
wrote a book about Barry Bonds.I think he wrote one about Roger clem
I hate Roger Clemens, though,so I can't even even even though I
know a Jeff Pearlman book about RogerClemens is going to be fantastic. I
hate Roger Clemens so much that Ijust, I just I just couldn't be
bothered to de pick up real.Why do I hate Roger Clemens. I'm
(38:49):
glad you asked. Here's why,because when I was growing up, nobody,
nobody came up smaller when the Stateswere bigger than Roger Clemens. Depending
on do you believe, he eitherbegged his way out of game was a
Game six or no Game seven ofthe nineteen eighty six World Series with a
blister on his finger. John McNamara, the manager of the Times, as
(39:10):
he begged his way out, RogerClemons dis boots that Roger Clemens has been
proven to be a liar subsequently,So I believe John McNamara on this one.
Whatever. He got himself thrown outof an ALCS game against the A's
because he you know, it wasn'tgoing well, so we started an argument
with the umpire got himself tossed itlike the first hitting. Whenever he saw
Dave Stewart on the mound opposing him, he knew Dave Stewart was better than
(39:35):
him, so he would kind ofshrink. Then went to I don't have
to go through Roger clemmons whole career. If you're a Red Sox fan and
you're a brown my age, youunderstand why I don't have meant much affection
for Roger Clemens. Roger Clemens andSusan Walmer once said, but anyway,
I digress. So I was talkingwith one of my son's friends that works
at a bank. He works ata teller at one of the credit unions
(40:00):
around this part, and I mentionedto him he was talking about the interesting
characters that come to the bank,and I mentioned to him that if you
go to a bank now, theonly people that go on a base into
a bank for things other than you, like applying for a mortgage, I
guess, and even those you canapply for online. But there are certain
things you have to go inside abank. Four. There's not a lot
(40:21):
of them, but there's certain thingsyou have to go inside a bank.
Four. The people that go inon a regular basis for just like oh
I'm depositing a check, Oh I'mgetting money out of savings. Those people
are nuts or one hundred years old, or in some cases both. I
don't like, I think my ageof person forty five. So like like
(40:43):
late which called later early genet,late gen X, I guess we're the
generation that if you're ten years olderthan us, if you're like fifty five
right now, you're just old enoughfor like technology kind of you don't trust
technology. I think I'm the lastage where people like fully braced it.
Now we're I wouldn't say we're fallingbehind. We're the sweet spot where like
(41:04):
Gen Z and the younger millennials havea hard time with like straight up computer
stuff because everything's but on a tabletor phone, and folks older than us
like don't get any of that,Like they don't know how to print a
PDF and things like that. Sothe late gen xers are in the technology
sweet spot. Yeah, we hadto learn all the computer stuff, and
most of it because we were downloadingsongs illegally on Mozilla and uh what was
(41:27):
the one that Napster and all thatother stuff, and then had to fix
our computers or all the virus thisgame on them. So it's I do
virtually every kind of bill paying bankingthing either through my phone or through their
computer. The only time I've goneinto a bank in the last I think
two years was a I had abunch of coins that get counted up for
free and my credit Union if youremember, and then b this week,
(41:50):
my daughter needs something notarized, sowe went to a bank to get something
notarized. Now that's it. OtherwiseI'm not going into a bank. Who's
got time for that? Wants totalk to people? The only way I
want to talk to people is througha microphone. So there you go.
All right, that's gonna about doingfor the show this week. Next week,
guess what kids week one for youand H So we'll be talking a
(42:12):
lot about the un H football team. I've been sitting on an announcement that
I've been waiting for NH too andspecifically Mike Murphy. I'm gonna call on
Mike Murphy because he listens to theshow, but waiting for Mike Murphy to
issue a press release on this announcementI've been sitting on for close to three
months now that if you know anythingabout me and how I have to have
my entire schedule laid out years ata time and just can't shut up on
(42:35):
Twitter and Instagram about things, youknow this has been driving me nuts.
But by the time the ball getskicked off next week, you'll probably have
figured out what the big announcement is. But hopefully if you follow me on
social media, you'll see something thisweek. If not, we'll talk about
it in a bunch on next week'sshow. So you and H football at
Stonehill College next week. I believeit is a twelve thirty pre game one
(42:55):
o'clock kickoff here on the Wildcat Network, which is the stations you hear this
show on plus Fox Sports nine thirtyout of the Sea Coast. Thanks once
again to Chris Caltieri and also toJeff Perlman for appearing on the show today.
Thanks to you for listening to myinsane ranting about what being an empty
nest parrot is like. We'll seeyou next week, and don't forget.
Hippies are bad people pretending to begood. Punks are good people pretending to be bad
Well, then over Time the onlyradio show to take part in the Berlin
Airlift back in the nineteen forties.That's true, you can look that up.
I mean devastatingly handsome and humble.Host Jessin mccasac. On today's program,
we talked to Chris Calldi, areaof standing in some college about the
Republican presidential debate that happened this weekand if it actually meant anything. Also,
(00:27):
we get into a Simpson sub referencecontest, although that was kind of
an unconscious thing. It just sortof happened. One guy makes one sub
reference and another guy makes another subreference, then it's off to the races.
It's really not anything that could becontrolled. It's more of a force
of nature at that point. Alsotalk to Jeff Perlman. He wrote the
book Showtime, which was turned intothe HBO series Winning Time about the Los
(00:52):
Angeles Lakers dynasty. He joined usfrom the West Coast. Talked about the
show, how it came to bea really interesting tibot on the guy that
plays Larry Bird and who that almostwas. This is what you call a
big marketease where I don't tell youwho it almost was. You have to
listen to the rest of the showand then you figure it out as always
listen, subscribe to the podcast andall that. If you missed the show
(01:14):
live, you can do that onyour favorite podcast apps. The company likes
me to tell you the iHeart Radioapp. But do whatever you want,
Okay, Spotify, Apple, Pocket, whatever, whatever floats your pone,
just just as long as you're pushingmy numbers up, because that's really what's
important is is me. So whathappened this week, Well, the Donald
Trump was rested again. I feellike at this point it's this one was
(01:38):
a little different because we got thebug shot and he tried to tried to
look like Churchill and the mug shothe's all, I'm gonna make a mean
face, and really it looked like, yeah, he had made a three
am tacoll bell run and it wasnow four thirty and Taco Bella is trying
to make a second appearance. That'sthat's the impression his mean mugging gave me.
It didn't look tough. You know, he's he never looks good,
(02:01):
but at this point he looks evenworse. And the letting him fill out
the thing with his weight At twofifteen is I guess if you're gonna lie
about it, just lie real huge, because there's the guy's sixty three some
of the big macs and drinks dietcoast. There's no way, and you
know, we've all seen the picturesof him golfing. And believe me,
(02:23):
I'm no deodorant at at this pointeither. So I'm not really one to
cast stones, but in this case, I absolutely will, Like, if
that guy weighs two fifteen, thenI'm six two and I weigh two fifteen.
So but I do respect the factthat he's lying so harshly about that,
so voluminously that that you can't allyou can do is kind of shake
(02:44):
your head. People were betting onthis too, by the way. I
think the over under I saw onTwitter was on some sports books was set
at two hundred and seventy six anda half pounds, and I didn't check
to see if no bet was calledon these because he was I think the
bet was contingent on him actually steppingon a scale at the Fulton County Courthouse,
(03:05):
because that's normally if a normal persongets booked, they weigh you,
they check your height, you know, they do the mugshot if they do
the fingerprints. People talk about therebeing two justice systems. But when a
rich guy rich guy in paper,I guess. But when a rich guy
rolls in and is arrested for,you know, trying to steal an election,
they don't actually make him step onus. See. I feel that's
the least they could do, right, Like his face is no real consequences
(03:29):
for this yet hasn't done a lickof prison time. Guy tried to do
a coup and the most that's happenedis, you know, everybody that was
in his cabinets running against him andlosing quite terribly, so there's been real
no consequences. I feel like anappropriate consequence would have been to make him
step on a scale so we canall make fat jokes about him. And
I'm not for making fat jokes aboutanybody in the world or body shaming anybody
(03:52):
in the world except for Donald Trump. Then I think it's okay. There's
exceptions to every rule, and Ithink this is an exception that needs to
be made in the Bekaasa household.Today was this part of the show.
This is the latest I'm ever recordinganything for the show. The Shore of
course, of course airs on Saturdays. Most of the stuff has taped well
(04:12):
in advance, and then if theworld changes before the show airs, we
going to make edits. But thisthis part, we're taping it eight just
about eight thirty on Friday night,and today we dropped off Kiely mckayasa at
college and it's just, uh,I feel like Rende and I did good
during the day. Kiely was cryinglast night. You know that's Killey's very
(04:34):
shy. It's her first time,you know, living away from home except
for like a week of Disney.Those of you that are big fans of
the show may recall, but Reneecame on to talk about our trial run
with having an empty nest. Well, now now it's a real deal because
Cam goes back to school our sonthis uh this weekend as well. But
now now it's kind of settling.The dogs acting up because he knows Kiely's
(04:54):
not around, or maybe I'm justprojecting my own sadness upon the stupid things
that dog does. Uh. Soit's uh, you know, it's it's
it's a little melancholy. It's good, It's it's part of growing up for
Kiely. Uh, it's part ofuh you know, the the ever changing
life Scraam parade for rain. IAs as parents, do you, I
(05:15):
guess you still call yourself as parentsand your kids are adults, right,
you don't ever stop calling yourself aparent the parents of adult children. Although
as we all have figured out,and even me who's forty five, you're
there's a bit of arrested development goingon with everybody. Everybody got set back
about five ten years, i'd saywith COVID even though that was well,
we're still in the midst of it, but the worst part of it was
only about two years or so.But I feel like everybody kind of got
(05:38):
knocked back about ten years. Soanyway, we're we're all getting through that,
and that's the best way to getthrough that is just to keep getting
through it. So I know youwere very worried about me personally and Renee
those of you that listening on it. So we're we're we're we're gonna keep
on keeping on and see how thatgoes. College football starts this weekend.
(06:00):
I'm very excited about that. Thegames are not great, uh not ture
names playing Navy in Ireland, whichwe'll see how that goes. I think
Navy as a new coach, sowe'll see if they get away from the
triple options stuff. No ture nameis fun to hate. Their their coach
is not hateable like Brian Kelly was, so they're a little less fun to
hate now, but it's always youknow, when they lose. If kind
(06:23):
of makes everybody happy, So that'llbe fun to watch. I of course
we'll be watching Albany Fordham because AI'm a sicko and b. Albany plays
in the University of New Hampshire's conference, which is now called the Coastal Athletic
Association, not the Colonial Athletic Associationas it was, so I'll be making
Renee sit through Albany Fordham. She'llprobably be watching ANIME on her phone while
(06:44):
I have that on the big TV. But I'm very excited to college football's
back, formula ones back. Allsorts of fun things happening this weekend to
kind of balance off the the melancholyof an empty nest, which we now
have to start getting used to bythat. I'm the show airs next week.
There may be five dogs in ourhouse. I don't know that's how
that could go. All right,We're gonna take a time about when we
(07:06):
come back, we're gonna talk toChris Calldieri about the debates that happened this
week. You'll also hear from JeffPerlman, and we'll come back on the
other side of that too, witha couple of questions about who actually goes
to banks anymore. This was adiscussion that happened in my house not more
than an hour ago, and Iwas thinking about this anyway because I had
to go in to the bank forsomething this week. So that's when we
(07:27):
come back. This is over time, keep it here, joining us here
on the program. I feel comfortablesaying friend of the program, the one
I only Chris called the area ofSaint Anselm College. Chris, how's it
going to this morning? Pretty good? How are you justin good? Good?
(07:47):
So Debate number one we've taken thison Thursday, of course the show
airs on Saturday. But debate numberone of the books last night. What's
your initial impressions of that first debate? A couple of things. One is
that I thought Mike Pence and NickyHaley had really good nights. I think
those are two candidates that a lotof people have sort of written off as
(08:09):
is failing to launch or struggling.Ramaswamy uh is doing this sort of sort
of hyperactive debate kid thing that Ithink is is working for him because I
think he's sort of, you know, he's just delivering exactly what the audience
(08:30):
in that room and the audience andRepublican primaries wants to hear. And you
could tell how much he was gettingunder the skin of everybody else on that
stage. It was like, uhPete boodha Jedge versus seven Amy klob Chars.
They wanted to backhand him, right, yeah, yeah, I mean
they were just just like, whowho is this guy? What if?
(08:52):
Like, you know, why areyou on this stage? Why are you
on the middle of this stage?It's and and so I think you could
just you know, you could almostsee the frustration wafting off of the other
candidates. I don't I don't thinkthe Santis had a bad night, but
he was almost like, you know, he just sort of vanished for huge
(09:13):
chunks of of the debate, likenobody even really bothered attacking him, which
is you know, he's been presentinghimself as the the you know, front
runner up for for a couple ofyears here and thank you, I just
made that up. You have atrademark down immediately. Yeah. Yeah,
but you know, he just sortof like, you know, nobody was
(09:35):
going after him. You know,we heard that there was this you know,
strategy memo for what to do whenyou're when there's a pile on,
and there was no pile on.It was just sort of ron Yeah.
So on the on the Hampshire todaythis morning, I think I posited that's
really bad news for him that everybodywas like, yeah, he's kind of
sick in his own ship. Wedon't need to, uh, we don't
need to help him out. He'suh, he's doing all the warrant for
(09:58):
us. And I thought like,you know, people, you know,
it showed business you'd rather be hatedthan ignored, and he was agored last
night. Yeah. Yeah, hejust he just faded into the background for
huge chunks of it. When hewas uh questioned, he was he was
okay a lot of the time.I don't think he had you know,
a terrible performance, but you know, it just he was not the factor
(10:22):
that I think people were expecting himto be. Yeah, And what struck
me is that, I because theI had this argument with the NBA starting
Finals games at nine because it wason at nine. I didn't watch any
of it. I watched that kindof clips. I also wanted to see
what people's reaction would be afterwards,how the you know, because the debate
is the debate, it's how peopleperceive it. That right ultimately ends up
(10:45):
mattering. And uh, yeah,it was a whole lot of Nikki Hall.
It was a whole lot of theVick Ramaswami, a lot of my
Pants, a little Chris Christie deSantist. People noted how unnotable he was,
and or Asa Hutchinson that Tim Scottwas anonymous too, which was,
yeah, pretty surprising giving the hypetrade that's been building for Tim Scott.
(11:07):
Yeah, and I think I thinkwith Tim Scott in particular, you have
somebody, you know, he's beenin the Senate for a decade. People
in the Senate generally like him andthink think well of him. He's from
an important primary state, but youknow, he just hasn't caught fire.
And I think, you know,there's a case for him that is basically,
(11:31):
you know, look, let's justput up a you know, a
nice, friendly conservative who's got acompelling life story. You know, he's
talked about, you know, povertyin his childhood. He gives a talk
on being a black man in Americaand being pulled over for having too nice
a car and that sort of thing. That is a perspective you don't often
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hear from UH in a Republican primary. But I just don't know that he's
shown that he's ready for prime timein that way yet. Yeah, I
think, and I think where theRepublican Party is, in my opinion,
that's a party of grievance and vengeance, and he seems to be the opposite
of those kind of ideals. Ithink even twelve years ago he would have
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been an ideal candidate. But intoday's Republican Party, and you could you
could kind of see the split thatfolks like you and I have talked about
for a while kind of manifesting onthe stage. Right, you had Vivigaramaswamy,
who who reminded me of like we'veall been in a situation or maybe
it's just me, where you endup talking to somebody who who just kind
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of does the the YouTube algorithm justkind of figured out how to make them
like a ferno fascist and he gives, you know, just like a veneer
of these ideas U and if youmix that with some pixie sticks, a
big swami is what you've got.And we've all kind of encounters with those
people, and you've been up makingthe same faces that the other Republicans made.
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But he seems to be like youngRepublicans want to hear some older ones
too, and the more establishment nickyHillys Mike Pences, we're like, yeah,
get off my lawn. What areyou doing to her kid? Yeah,
exactly, And you know, Pencewas it was like do you need
I think at one point he saysthinglike do you need me to say?
That's slower where it was like,I've been in the room where things happen.
I've been a governor, I've beenvice president, I've been in Congress,
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but it's not liscenary. Go wow, Mike Pence actually has a really
impressive resume. But there's a hugechunk of the Republican electorate that does not
care about your credentials, that doesnot care about your experience. They just
want to hear, Yeah, fossilfuels are are going to liberate America from
everything. I don't like and youknow, as you said, it's all
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this grievance stuff. And the contrastto what Republicans were like when I was
growing up in the eighties. Uh, you know, Ronald Reagan, the
first president, Bush Conservatives, Republicans, they were very, very optimistic,
right. It was all about itsmorning in America, We're going to build
a bright future, all all thisstuff. And it turns out they were
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saying those things because they were winning. And now that you know, Republicans
that are are struggling electorally, nowthat their party has been taken over by
Donald Trump and people who want toout Trump Trump, like Ramaswamy. You
know, as you said, it'snow it's all about grievance. So somebody
like Mike Pennz who was like basicallysaying I was there for the Reagan Revolution.
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Somebody liked Tim Scott, who atone point just said, can we
stop being childish? Can we stopyou know, picking in each other and
talk about issues? Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so you'd have these
bizarre portions of the night where youknow, Nikki Hilley was talking about abortion
policy and then Mike Pence would respondwith, well, I have a different
take on what the party's policy onabortion should be. So that was an
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actual debate about actual policy. Hehad glimmers of that about Ukraine as well,
But and I think that was anothermoment where Christie in particular was like,
Vivic Ramaswami, you have no ideawhat you're talking about. You're just
trying to get applause lines. Thisis real, this is serious, this
is a thing that's affecting people's lives. But that's not what a lot of
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folks in that audience wanted, andnot what a lot of folks who were
going to be voting in Republican primarieswon't they want to hear. How are
you going to lay down, laybring low our enemies? How are you
going to avenge the injustice wreaked uponDonald Trump and all all the rest of
it? And that's just a weirdway to run a debate. It's interesting.
There's I think there's a book tobe written, or maybe there's been
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several written already. I don't know, But I'm more of a TikTok watcher
than a reader these days, butas is most of America, unfortunately,
But there's a book to be writtenabout I feel like the Republicans reference you
know, Ronald Reagan, Georgie's wBush, even to some extent George W.
Bush, although is kind of turninga little bit there due to the
War on Terror. It's a lotof the same policies and philosophies. There
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was just like a candy coating ontop of it. Uh that that that
made it like a palatable to youknow, your average voter, like,
oh, you know, optimally,like who does it like American? I
like America? Why wouldn't like inAmerica? Sure? Why not? And
then he dug a little deeper,and I think a lot of people were
like, that's so crazy about thesepolicies, but I do like America.
And you know all these yeah,these other things that are selling now the
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candy coding has gone, and it'sjust like take down, take this,
We're gonna ye heard all these fossilfuels. Yeah, And and it's just
it's just, you know, it'sforgetting that there's a general election two,
right, and you know you needto get you know, you don't necessarily
you fifty percent plus one because ofthe electoral college, but you've still gotta
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you know, getting more votes isgenerally better in presidential elections, and instead
it's like, you know, intothe after two thousand, Republicans didn't want
to talk about it. They didn'twant it. They just they just didn't
talk about the electorc They just wantedeverybody to forget that. Trump kind of
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just doubled down on it, andall through the twenty twenty campaign there's this
whole thing where you're like, youknow it, people figured out, wait,
he doesn't even care about winning thepopular vote. It's a what's the
minimal path to to seventy which eventuallysomebody was going to figure that out and
start doing that. It just happensto have been Donald trumpcs get degrees version
of winning the presidency, right,yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's like
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some eighteenth century board game and youknow, you figured it out. Somebody
figured out a hack, and youknow, the designers of the game are
dead, and it's really hard tochange it, change the rules. But
so you get you don't get whatyou have in normal elections. Right when
Chris and Noon, who runs forgovernor, he's trying to get fifty percent
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plus one. You don't have todo that for president anymore. But you
still have to do something close.So it's just weird. I think the
Republicans are setting themselves up for frustrationbecause they videotape these debates. Do you
know, you when you say thingslike we're going to fossil fuel our way
to the future, you know,I don't know how well that's gone to
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play in a general election among peoplewho aren't already really hardcore on that.
Same thing with pardnering Trump, samething with talking about weaponizing the justice system,
and I think most people are like, wait, no, these are
serious charges. Like I was watchingTV on January sixth, I saw what
happened. We all saw it.Yeah, yeah, like this this is
a thing that actually happened. Youremember what we were talking about either,
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do I? Yeah, just bewritten on the Candy Coders policies. But
yeah, but you mentioned Donald Trump. And they didn't mentioned Donald Trump in
the debate last Wednesday night until halfwaythrough, which as a former pro wrestler,
I can tell you you don't putthe main event out first. You
make people stick around until after anintermission, and then they see the main
eventor which of course is Donald Trump. So I guess two questions here.
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A is is this debate academic anyway? Because Trump's leading by so much,
it be the fact that he wasn'ttalked about all this much. Is Trump
gonna pull a a Pucci on TheSimpsons when Homer said, when when Pucci's
on screen, all the characters shouldbe saying, where's Pucci? What's he
showing up? Is that gonna makehim show up at the second debate?
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Hey don't know, Okay, solet's do the first part. Is it
all academic? I would say no, because you know, Donald Trump is
facing ninety one criminal charges. Itseems so yeah, it's a lot.
That's ninety one more than I've everfaced. I won't speak for you on
that front, but but that meansthat, you know, there's this cloud
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of uncertainty hanging over this entire process, where you know, look, is
the most likely outcome that Donald Trumpis the Republican nominee? I would say
yes. Are their worlds where heactually gets good lawyers who convince him,
you know, you need to pleaseout or you're going to spend time in
county jail in uh in Georgia.Uh. Maybe so you know, maybe
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there's a plea deal that where heagrees to never run for office again,
and you know, do some sortof you know, public recantation of everything
he's ever said about the twenty twentyelection or something. Maybe he actually gets
convicted. Uh maybe you know,some state says we're not putting you on
the ballot. Section three of Articlefourteen says you're an insurrectionist and you can't
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hold office. Court Yeah, andthe Spring Court says, yeah, we
agree to that point. Agree.Corky Bester, who was endorsed by Trump,
but the twenty twenty election kind ofbroke news on New Hampshire Today this
week saying he's going to beat withSecretary of State Scaling and by the time
the sayers, I think I'll havehad the media on Friday to discuss just
that. So yeah, exactly,Trump might not even be on the New
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Hampshire primary ballot, which there's awhole other you know, primaries essentially like
a it's not an election election,it's like a there's a whole thing behind
that too, So right, right, who knows what could happen. There
could have be as Edvard Milla termedit, or maybe it was David Roth,
one of my one of the otherguests I've had on here, the
impeachment by Mother Nature that's in playas seventy seven. He's seventy seven,
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and he lives on diet coke andbig Max, so you know, all
sorts of So all you have allthese sort of individually low probability events that
add up to you know, there'sa decent chance that you know, actually
Trump isn't the nominee, or isn'table to be the nominee, or ends
his campaign or has his campaign endedfor him, which means that if any
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if one of those things happens,then it's likely that one of the eight
people on that stage last night isgoing to be the Republican nominee. So
it does matter that these folks aregetting to talk to primary voters and they
are debating these issues. So yeah, I mean Trump is sort of hanging
over all of this, but youknow it's quite possible that you know,
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by you know, by the timepeople are actually voting, he's not right.
And then does this make him showup? My guess is probably not,
because he's still leading by forty tofifty points. You know that man,
I mean like I'm an attention horror. That man makes me look like
a wallflower, right, I meanthat Tucker Carlson thing went over with it.
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I hate to say this to somebodyso distinguishes you. That went over
like a feign church. Nobody,nobody watched it, nobody's talking about it.
Everybody's talking about everything, body elsebut him this morning until of course
he's arrested later today on Thursday whenwe take this. So I feel like
he's gonna see all that and belike, I d no, no,
I can't let them get away withouttalking about me. But I mean,
you're the one that studies this andhas yeah, no, no, and
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it's it's possible. But I thinkyou know, the other thing that could
be going on is tr Trump's criminallawyers are telling him, no, you
can't go to a debate because we'vemet you. You will be bated.
Chris Christie, will you know,say something that gets under your skin and
you will say something that tanks oneof your one or two or three or
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four of your upcoming trials. Youknow, just you know, he says
something off the cuff and it totallyundoes some defense these guys have been working
on for months. So you know, it's sort of like, you know,
you could have good Homer over heresaying, you know, don't go
to the debate, and evil Homerover here saying You've got to go to
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the debate. Donald, It's timefor the debate. Come on, slices
of American cheese, March. Ithink I'm blind, But you know,
my guess is he stays away.My guess is he keeps trying to counter
program. But again, I thinkthat's another example of this really bizarre circumstance
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we're in where the leading candidate kindof campaign that much right, and when
he does, he's supposed to watchwhat he says. Well, Dommy Trump
has never watched what he says ever. Ever, This is why, like,
you know, he's a terrible clientto have as a lawyer, because
you cannot put him on the standbecause he will perjure himself because he will
take whatever bate the prosecutor puts down. You know, think about that first
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debate with Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. She just kept, you know,
saying something and Trump would freak outand respond wildly to it, and he
just he can't not do that.He is not that fury Road gift of
Max saying no, that's bait that'snever him. I think we've we've had
our limit for sub references. ButI think we're gonna keep pressing right through
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that. But Chris called the alreadystandards of college joined me on the show
today. So is that what allthese other candidates are are banking God,
is that something happens to Trump andthey are going to slide into that number
one spot like they're first runner upto Miss America given how many pageants he
(25:03):
used to run. And is thatwhat you think they're banking on? Or
do these folks really think that eventuallythe tide's gonna turn Republican voters after eight
years of all evidence say to thecontrary, are gonna say we've had enough
of this day? Are they countingon one of those scenarios we talked about.
I think that's part of it.I think there are some folks who
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are also, you know, puttingtheir name or keeping their name out there
and hoping that, well, ITrump does get the nominee, he's probably
not picking Pens a second time.Uh yeah, not like you know,
for for Haley and Scott in particular. I think you know, those are
folks where you see the case forthem for vice president pretty clearly, it
(25:44):
boosts your name, uh Ramaswamy,I think will be uh if he somehow
doesn't wind up as president, indemand as a speaker, and he'll probably
write another book and maybe get atalk show or something out of it,
or you know, start a podcast. And then you know there's uh,
let's say, uh, you knowthere's uh weit well into in twenty four
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if Biden gets re elected, hecan't run for a third term. Uh
So in four years, Uh,there's another race. And you know,
it's not uncommon, especially for Republicans, for somebody to run once due respectively,
even though they lose, and thenrun again four years later and win
the nomination. So it could bethat, you know, let's say Tim
Scott, you know, doesn't getit this time, but he you know,
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makes a good impression, he doesn'talienate anybody. A lot of folks
are saying, gosh, maybe TimScott would have would have won against Age,
would have won against Biden, andthat puts him in a good position
for twenty twenty eight. So Ithink there's you know, all sorts of
calculus going on about, well,what can running for for president due for
me? Besides possibly getting the electedpresident, right, you know who else
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can run at twenty twenty eight,assuming he's not breaking rocks and Fulton County
jail. Donald Trump. That's true, that's true. And you know you
do have to wonder like, let'ssay he gets the domination and loses and
is in jail. You know,does he try to run again, does
he still try to maintain control ofthe Republican Party or is that finally the
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point at which everyone says, youknow what this is, this is not
working for us as a party.Maybe we should maybe we should move on
and you know, run somebody who'snot Donald Trump. But it's just it's
it's I don't I don't understand howpolitical party gets to this point. Uh,
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it's uh, it's horrible for therepublic. But part of me really
wants to see him trying to doa national buddy siancy. But that's that's
because I'm a sicko. But ChrisGoldy already saying that some college like someone
should being on the show, andwe'll talk. Always a pleasure, all
right, thanks. Justin Jordan ishere in overtime is the author of many,
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many books, all of which Ihaven't read all of them, but
the ones I've read have been fantastic. The latest one has been turned into
Winning Time, The Rise of theLakers Diocea, which is probably watching on
HBO Max or Max or whatever they'recalling it right now. I still call
it HBO Max. But Jeff Pearlmanjoins this. Jeff, thanks for being
on the show. Yeah, it'sgood, good news that the ones you
have not read all suck so youmade why Well, you don't know which
(28:29):
ones I haven't read, so howdo you know those ones suck? I'm
just gonna assume the bad ones havegone on read. So it's good.
It's good you're caught up. It'smore, I'd say it's more of a
character flaw of me not being ableto create enough time to read enough stuff
that I want to read. Butbefore I ask you a little bit about
Winning Time, I do I dowant to praise the hell out of The
Bad Guys One, which is thefirst book of yours I read, and
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even as a Red Sox fan likereading that was that was just h I
guess I can't say a joy toread, because you know that screw that
Mets team, but it was itwas a really fascinating agreed about that team.
Oh, thank you so much.I mean it's I think it's easier
and more digestible for Red Sox fans, you know, of the modern era,
because you've had enough success that nineteeneighty six than haunt you like it
(29:15):
did so many socks fans of theeighties. So you're probably just did a
better mental head place than others wouldhave been. So it's good. Yeah,
I'm never in a good mental headplace, but yeah, probably better
than than than before. Uh So, let's let's talk about winning time.
You've you've been very active on Twitterand and another outlet's talking about there's a
chance that might not be renewed fora third season, which I think would
(29:37):
be a shame because I'm really I'menjoying the hell out of the show.
What is it the thing that hasAPO told you that they're thinking about canceling
it for the third season or whatwhat leads you to believe we might not
get a third season or a fourthseason and beyond out of this? Well,
I honest see it's a question ofnumbers, like the early numbers were
not great, and it's it ispicking up. I will say to my
(29:57):
my happiness. But you know,it's a it's a really expensive show to
make, and that you have twostrikes going on. You have a writer
strike going on, you have anactor strike going on. So promotion of
the show has not been wonderful becauseusually, non strike, all the actors
would be able to post on theirsocial media. Is that your interviews everywhere,
and it's really left up to acouple of slubs, now myself included.
(30:19):
So that's kind of tough, itreally is. So it's just like
it needs better numbers to survive,Like I am aware of that full that
it needs better numbers to survive.And that's why I'm out there kind of
pimping this thing because I actually lovethis show and I think people love it.
And the other thing is is thatI kept getting for a while like
(30:40):
wait the show is on. Wait, I didn't wait, where is it
on my app? Wait? Andthat was really exasperating. But I think
I think things are starting to workout a little bit. Yeah, it
doesn't seem like it's always done thebest job they could promoting the show.
I mean it's I mean, youknow it comes up on my Hey you
new episodes out because I watched itevery week. Yeah, you know Monday
(31:00):
morning after premiers on Sunday, oryou know, the episode premiers on Sundays.
But have you spoken to hboving Hey, can you give this thing a
little more juice? Or or howhow have those docs gone? I mean,
I'm just a guy who wrote thebook. Yeah, there's only so
much I can do. I mean, I'm heavily involved with the show,
but I don't have like a tryof have like a red phone that goes
direct to HBO and they can youknow, I mean, I can yell
(31:22):
at anyone. When I've talked withpeople a l They've been great. And
the people who worked at are likethe publicists and all those people. I
know they're working hard and I knowthey're trying. I just it's it's definitely
a little underwhelming in some areas.So how involved were you with the you
know, the casting, the show, the you know the picture or how
involved I guess were you with theproduction aspect of the TV show or are
(31:45):
you involved at all? Yeah?Actually it's been really cool. I Mean
a lot of times when when authorssell books and the books are made into
something, the production basically says,all right, thanks and goodbye, and
they send you a check and youmove on, or maybe they invite you
to set one day and take apicture with the star and then you move
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on. And this has been prettyheavy handed, I say, inspects season
two more so than season one.Irito, all the scripts go over all
the scripts do like thorough fact checkingsof the scripts. I speak with the
you know, with the production teammultiple times a week. I was allowed
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to sort of be involved, youknow. I have some intra in the
casting this season. Watch the demoreels as they were coming in. I
feel like they viewed me as afact checking line of defense. I'm in
an episode this season. My wifeand my kids were in an episode last
season. It's just been kind ofdreamy. Actually. I thought it would
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be very little and it's actually beenpretty kept, pretty time consuming. Talk
about Jeff Perlman, who is theauthor of a million books, which I
now have to get caught up on, including Showtime, which winning time on
HBO Max is based off of thecasting I think of this show is brilliant,
especially John c Riley as Jerry Boss. Adrian Brody knocks it out of
the park. I think as aspat Riley were involved in the casting aspect
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of this, And oh I shouldmentioned Michael Chiklis's Red Hour Back. I
think is the might be the bestpiece of casting I've seen in a TV
show in a long long time.Yeah, I can't take much. I
can't take credit for the castings.It's ridiculously good. I actually think,
to me, the three that reallyblow me away are Quincy, Isaiah Is,
(33:36):
Magic Solomon uses Kareem and Sean PatrickSmalls Larry Bird because there are three
actors and no one has heard ofbefore, right, and they're three guys
like yeah, Like, I thinkthe chicklist casting is amazing, but we've
all seen Michael Chicklis in something andAdrian Brodie amazing, but Adrian Berdie is
always amazing. But to be ableto cast someone as ubiquitous as Magic Johnson
and do it so well with theguy who was bi See, a regional
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actor who really was best known forplaying college football as an offensive lineman at
Callum a Zoo College, I justthink it is one of the great casting
jobs of recent history. And theLarry Bird casting San Patrick Small he actually
was They already had cast it forBow Burnham, the comedian was going to
play Larry Bird really and he droppedYeah, and he dropped out at the
(34:22):
last minute and they needed a replacementand Sean found out about sort of the
casting sent in as real and theycast him very very quickly, and I
think that's serendipity because he's amazing.Yeah, I can't see Bo Burnham as
playing Larry Bird. I kind offeel like that might have been a disaster.
That's just me though, I mean, especially you know this this show
(34:44):
airs in New Hampshire, so we'reall Celtics fans. We all worship at
the altar of Larry Bird, ofcourse. But yeah, I mean the
casting of Larry Bird is spot on. And uh yeah, Quincy Isaiah's Magic
Johnson. To your point, QuincyIsaiah, doesn't he have had his own
Wikipedia page trying to look him up, and there's not a lot of information
you can find on him. Soyeah, the sort of quote unquote lesser
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known actors playing these big parts havereally really been outstanding. I remember when
Quincy was cast and I was like, who the hell is this guy?
And you google him and you seenothing, and I'm like googling Quincy Isaiah,
there's nothing there. And someone said, no, google Quincy Crosby because
his last name is Crosby. Andthen you see it's like football highlights from
like eleventh grade in high school,you know what I'm saying. And he's
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his early offensive lineman slamming into thedefensive tackle. Yeah he was. I
mean, it's kind of one ofthe things I really love about the show
or the experience. It's that.And I said that to Quincy before.
I'm like, give her like,you're starring in an HBO series with chahn
Cy Riley and Rob Morgan and SallyField. Doesn't that kind of blow your
head? And He's like, yeah, it does. It's kind of crazy.
(35:50):
So they definitely appreciate it. Andit's this great casting. We're talking
about Jeff Perlman, who's the authorof Showtime, which has turned into Winning
Time, The Rise of the LakersDynasty. So folks like me who are
super dorks for the show, whatcan we do to kind of put pressure
on HBO to make sure there's aseason three, season four and beyond.
I mean, do we have toget on Twitter and bug people? I
(36:12):
guess people don't write letters anymore,but do we have to send emails?
What would be your recommendation to kindof raise the awareness that Winning Time might
be a little bit of trouble andwe want to see more of this in
the years to come. I mean, it would be amazing if you actually
put pressure on someone to write aletter and like, that's what I'm gonna
Grandma, Grandma, you know,Bessie in Wooster. Besides, I'm going
(36:36):
to write a letter, a sternlyworded letter, and that actually letter saves
the show. That would be oneof the most amazing moments. And that'd
be a movie. That'd be acinematic moment. But honestly, honestly,
the best thing you can do andlisteners can do is just watch the show
and keep the numbers rising and risingand rising, because the show just needs
momentum. That's it. It justneeds momentum and needs viewership to show to
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people that this is a worthwhile thingthat can nue. All right now,
Jeff, what are you What areyour future projects? What are you working
on right now? Anything coming downthe pike? Are you still kind of
searching for what the next book isgoing to be about? I'm doing my
first non sports book, or doinga biography of Chupac the rapper. Yeah,
so I'm stepping out. I've beengetting a lot of tattoos all over
(37:19):
my body. I'm smoking a lotof blunts. I'm taking some beers,
you know, well death Row.Yeah, in today's world, drink a
lot of beer, smoking a lotof blunts might not be the worst thing
you can do. But but Jeff, I appreciate you taking some time.
Make sure you all check out WinningTime on in Max. I guess it's
called you still call it HBO MaxAirs Live Sunday nights. I always watching
(37:42):
it first thing I get home fromwork on Monday. But check it out
whenever you can. And Jeff,best of luck for the show, Best
of luck for the new book,and thanks so much for being on the
show. All right, thanks forhaving me on much appreciate it. Welcome
back to overtime. Fourth and finalsegment of the program. I think the
Chris Scaldieri, who had joined usfrom San Anselm College talking about the debates.
(38:04):
Also Jeff Perlman. Jeff Pearlman's gotI think he's got up to ten
books at this point. I've onlyread two of them, which I kind
of mentioned to Jeff while he wason the show. The only ones I've
read are The Bad Guys one whichI told him how great that was.
And I've read about half to threequarters of A Football for a Buck,
The Story of the USFL, thebook he wrote about the nineteen nineties Dallas
(38:28):
Cowboys got great reviews. That teamwas an absolute bleep show. I also
wrote a book about Barry Bonds.I think he wrote one about Roger clem
I hate Roger Clemens, though,so I can't even even even though I
know a Jeff Pearlman book about RogerClemens is going to be fantastic. I
hate Roger Clemens so much that Ijust, I just I just couldn't be
bothered to de pick up real.Why do I hate Roger Clemens. I'm
(38:49):
glad you asked. Here's why,because when I was growing up, nobody,
nobody came up smaller when the Stateswere bigger than Roger Clemens. Depending
on do you believe, he eitherbegged his way out of game was a
Game six or no Game seven ofthe nineteen eighty six World Series with a
blister on his finger. John McNamara, the manager of the Times, as
(39:10):
he begged his way out, RogerClemons dis boots that Roger Clemens has been
proven to be a liar subsequently,So I believe John McNamara on this one.
Whatever. He got himself thrown outof an ALCS game against the A's
because he you know, it wasn'tgoing well, so we started an argument
with the umpire got himself tossed itlike the first hitting. Whenever he saw
Dave Stewart on the mound opposing him, he knew Dave Stewart was better than
(39:35):
him, so he would kind ofshrink. Then went to I don't have
to go through Roger clemmons whole career. If you're a Red Sox fan and
you're a brown my age, youunderstand why I don't have meant much affection
for Roger Clemens. Roger Clemens andSusan Walmer once said, but anyway,
I digress. So I was talkingwith one of my son's friends that works
at a bank. He works ata teller at one of the credit unions
(40:00):
around this part, and I mentionedto him he was talking about the interesting
characters that come to the bank,and I mentioned to him that if you
go to a bank now, theonly people that go on a base into
a bank for things other than you, like applying for a mortgage, I
guess, and even those you canapply for online. But there are certain
things you have to go inside abank. Four. There's not a lot
(40:21):
of them, but there's certain thingsyou have to go inside a bank.
Four. The people that go inon a regular basis for just like oh
I'm depositing a check, Oh I'mgetting money out of savings. Those people
are nuts or one hundred years old, or in some cases both. I
don't like, I think my ageof person forty five. So like like
(40:43):
late which called later early genet,late gen X, I guess we're the
generation that if you're ten years olderthan us, if you're like fifty five
right now, you're just old enoughfor like technology kind of you don't trust
technology. I think I'm the lastage where people like fully braced it.
Now we're I wouldn't say we're fallingbehind. We're the sweet spot where like
(41:04):
Gen Z and the younger millennials havea hard time with like straight up computer
stuff because everything's but on a tabletor phone, and folks older than us
like don't get any of that,Like they don't know how to print a
PDF and things like that. Sothe late gen xers are in the technology
sweet spot. Yeah, we hadto learn all the computer stuff, and
most of it because we were downloadingsongs illegally on Mozilla and uh what was
(41:27):
the one that Napster and all thatother stuff, and then had to fix
our computers or all the virus thisgame on them. So it's I do
virtually every kind of bill paying bankingthing either through my phone or through their
computer. The only time I've goneinto a bank in the last I think
two years was a I had abunch of coins that get counted up for
free and my credit Union if youremember, and then b this week,
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my daughter needs something notarized, sowe went to a bank to get something
notarized. Now that's it. OtherwiseI'm not going into a bank. Who's
got time for that? Wants totalk to people? The only way I
want to talk to people is througha microphone. So there you go.
All right, that's gonna about doingfor the show this week. Next week,
guess what kids week one for youand H So we'll be talking a
(42:12):
lot about the un H football team. I've been sitting on an announcement that
I've been waiting for NH too andspecifically Mike Murphy. I'm gonna call on
Mike Murphy because he listens to theshow, but waiting for Mike Murphy to
issue a press release on this announcementI've been sitting on for close to three
months now that if you know anythingabout me and how I have to have
my entire schedule laid out years ata time and just can't shut up on
(42:35):
Twitter and Instagram about things, youknow this has been driving me nuts.
But by the time the ball getskicked off next week, you'll probably have
figured out what the big announcement is. But hopefully if you follow me on
social media, you'll see something thisweek. If not, we'll talk about
it in a bunch on next week'sshow. So you and H football at
Stonehill College next week. I believeit is a twelve thirty pre game one
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o'clock kickoff here on the Wildcat Network, which is the stations you hear this
show on plus Fox Sports nine thirtyout of the Sea Coast. Thanks once
again to Chris Caltieri and also toJeff Perlman for appearing on the show today.
Thanks to you for listening to myinsane ranting about what being an empty
nest parrot is like. We'll seeyou next week, and don't forget.
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