9-16-23 David Roth, Brett Franklin

This week David Roth of Defector joins the show to talk about Butts Up & Chunkus (trust me, it's worth it) and also the unbearable stupidity of modern US life.

Then Brett Franklin joins the show to talk about how Dartmouth might fare as they travel to UNH to take on the WIldcats tonight.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to overtime, the only radioshow to win the Hungarian Grand Prix three
years in a row. You canlook it up. It really happened today
on overtime. I don't have anytime to mess around. We have a
jam Pact show, and I don'thave time to sit here in Dilly Dally.
We have David Rotha Defector dot Com. I'm gonna do two segments with
Roth. Also going to talk toBrett Franklin of the Dartmouth Big Green Radio

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Network. Your Edge plays Dartmouth tonightsix pm. We kicking off five thirty
pregame show on the Wildcat Radio Network, which consists of these stations you can
hear this show on and also FoxSports nine thirty out on the Sea Coast.
So yeah, don't have any timefor to sit around in Wax Philosophical
because we have so much show topack in here today. So coming up

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bad for the break, Part oneof our conversation with David Roth of Defector
dot com. What do we talkabout? All sorts of stuff. It
kind of goes in seven hundred differentdirections. You'll have to stay tuned to
find out that's next. On overtime. Keep it here showing us on overtime
is the one and only David RothamDetector dot Com. The second straight week

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where the defector guest Sammercalop was onlast week and I did have Samron we
had with with big New Hampshire discussions. I was gonna say, like,
how dense did the New Hampshire chatget? It could not as dense as
it could have been. I meanwe honestly we could still be talking about
it right now a week later.But uh, but yeah, it's yeah,
two New Hampshire guys see each otherfrom across the room or the or

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the zoom in this case, it'syou know, magic happens. Yeah,
I think all of us are strugglingat work. Anybody that it's from an
I wouldn't say that New Jerseys underrepresentedin the culture. Like, if anything,
we kind of should write a formalapology to the entire rest the American
culture. But it's like, ifsomething happens and a guy who is from
your little state that nobody thinks aboutis like doing something good, you want

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to bring it up. And there'sa whole series of you know, sort
of slack shorthands for this day.McKenna likes to steer everything back to Washington,
DC area Catholic high school basketball.I'm always really proud of when somebody
from northern New Jersey like makes itto the majors, because that's a weird
thing. But I was like awareearlier today that I was talking to my
co workers about how Joe Barrowski isfrom bay Own, New Jersey, and

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I was like, you don't theydon't want to hear this. I don't
need to be telling them that.I don't know that you don't even be
talking about all that. But yeah, it was I'm glad that you and
Sam are got to, yeah,bro down on some New Hampshire stuff.
Yeah, six zero three a downnow. No, New Hampshire keeps up
hard for New Hampshire. Like wewe have a triple Atian runs the WW

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or is heavily involved in that.Steth Myers is New Hampshire guy. There's
more that I can't think of athe moment, but New Hampshire like goes
so hard for New Hampshire. It'sit's it's it's like how Canada I go
is hard for Canadians, but ona much smaller scale. Can I ask
you a question about Sam has notbeen on slack. He is on vacation
right now. But this is I'mgoing to be writing something tomorrow based on

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something that I learned last night.Okay, as I said, I'm from
northern New sounds serious. Yeah,it's it's changed everything for me. I
can't you know that there's going tobe something stupid. I just want to
emphasize this is gonna be a lotstupider than you think. I can't wait.
So, when you were in elementaryschool or middle school or whatever,
did you play a game where youthrew a ball against the wall of the

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school and then you had to runto the wall and if you didn't get
there in time, someone could throwthe ball at your butt. And if
so, what was that game called? We? So the short answer is
yes. The longer answer is therewas like three or four bastardizations of something
called wall ball, right right,yes, And this was one of them.
There was another that was like thekind of the more popular version at

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my elementary school anyway, Willie Allenright here in Rochester and Andrew representing,
Yeah, I'm representing uh more.It was more like racquetball, but you
just you caught it like you threwthe ball off the wall at bounce,
you had to catch it on onebounce. You can play singles or doubles.
It would get it would get fairlyheated, like if someone tried like
a throwing it high off the wall. You know, nobody ever established what

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the end line was, so itwould just people would swear at each other
if you tried underheaded tactics like that. But yeah, sec right, all
right, we did do something likethat, and it was like like tagging
wallball, which has a whole differentconnotation now, but that was one of
the versions we've called it. Butyes, we absolutely did that. What
so how did this come up?The wallball is pretty normal. I met

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a guy last night, so wehad Defector's third birthday happened earlier this week,
where that's really great. We hada nice little party. I met
a reader there who was from thesame town in New Jersey that I'm from.
It's a midsize suburb of New YorkCity called Ridgewood. I went to
an elementary school there where we playedthat game and it was you know,
wallball was the name for it,the version where you throw the ball at
the guys. But it's called buttsup. There's a bunch of different there's

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a bunch of different names for it. This is gonna get worse too.
Is it not that long a story? But it's not nearly done hitting bottom
yet. I love it already,all right, So butts up is like,
that's you know, that version ofthat game. This guy went to
a different elementary school, maybe threemiles from my home in my hometown,

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and he was like, I knowthat you're from Ridgewood, and I know
that you've talked about like the weirdnames that we have for things, because
the town, for whatever reason,had a lot of strange names for like
mischief night or whatever, just likestrange things that were not a part of
We called it cabbage night. Noone's ever explained to me. Sounds like
a party. So he said thatat his school at Willard, So what

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was butts up at Ira W.Travell Elementary School? Obviously? Respect at
Willard was called chunkiss? Chunkiss Andhe kind of demanded the explanation in this.
I was just sort of like,so that's not true, right,
He was like, no, wecalled it chunkiss. I wanted to make

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sure that you knew this it seemedlike something you should know, and I
pulled my co workers. Today there'sa bunch of different, you know,
aims for it that people had,but no one. I don't know if
this will surprise you. No onehas ever called it chunkiss except for the
kids Willard Elementary School. Did otherpeople call it butts up? Or some

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people call it butts up? Orlike, uh, there was one,
dam mcquaids. The Philadelphia version waspredictably like kind of weirdly oversized. It
was called like apocalypse or meat grinder, like soup cans for their family at
each other rather than Philadelphia. It'slike you can throw a full HOGI at
a guy from a few feet awayand then he has to say thank you,

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And that's right that game. Butin this case, I'm still trying
to figure out what the actual angleis here. I just right now I
have a blank page in the contentmanagement system back end of the website that
just says we need to talk aboutchunkists, and I have to figure out
how to fill the rest of itas needed. I'm glad that you all
played it, though there was Ihave a coworker from Texas. It was

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like we didn't play that. Everybodyelse else, from every place else that
my co workers are from, We'relike, yeah, we played it.
It had this or that name.It's really weird that anybody ever said chunk
is. That seems like a likea specifically Northeast corner thing, like where
where we tried to get away withthe most amount of violence we could,
knowing that it was a low levelof violence that we could get away with,

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right, Yeah, Like basically thatdid not hit the level that would
cause a lunch lady to yell atyou, like this sort of thing where
they would shake their head, butthey wouldn't be the sort of thing where
they would you know, get thethe sort of disciplinary process and right,
and then eventually somebody would get likean eye injury due to butts up or
chunk is, and there would bea meeting about it, and then like

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you'd have to like do it onthe sly for like three or four weeks,
and then it would come back andfall. You know, it is
actually funny that you say that thisis a Northeast quarter thing because it does
have that feeling of like how that'show everything works in New Jersey, like
in the Greater like tri State areais basically like how much can we get
away with? Right? And thenalso like how much trouble will we get

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in if we don't get away withit? And then and then how can
we keep doing it? Like thatis like New Jersey's political culture in a
nutshell. It's probably not just NewJersey either. I don't know what you
guys all like. I've got theheavy metal license plate slogan, and I
know everybody up there is really madabout taxes all the time. I don't
know that New Hampshire is any bettergovern into than New Jersey is. Oh,

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it's probably much worstly governed. Iwas gonna actually bring this up with
you in a little bit, butyeah, New Hampshire is kind of famous
for having four hundred, four hundredperson state legislature and it's all the craziest
person state or whatever. Yeah,it's all the most insane people you've ever
met, like like like my dayjob, yeah, my day job producing

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the morning. None of them getpaid either. They're all got one hundred
bucks in a license plate, right, So it's people that have nothing to
do but think of the dumbest,most craziest stuff you've ever heard of in
your life and try to get thatpassed as as you know, as legislation.
So there's a lot of that inlike New York City, but with
like community boards or whatever. Butthe idea of like running an actual state,

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like two senators and a congress,president and a governor being run by
people like that is very worrying.Indeed. Oh yeah, it's so you
can't it's hard to walk down theroad without running into a state representative.
Like I think in my somehow RochesterI live is like the fourth largest air
quote city in New Hampshire. Ithas about thirty thousand people, and I

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think we have something like nine staterepresentatives, which seems like entirely too many,
right, And they're all people thatbasically everyone elected, so that they
would just know that they were outof town for a few days a year
when the legislature was in session.They'd be like, all right, well
we got we don't have to worryabout running into Jeff at the supermarket today.
He's at work. Yeah, basically, yeah, basically they all have
day jobs for the I mean Ishouldn't say all of them because a good

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portion of them are like, youknow, eighty five years old and have
nothing else to do, or yeah, yeah, it's it's it's not.
I don't feel like it's a greatsystem. It doesn't produce great outcomes.
But one of the one of thefunny consequences is are the governor who is
the son of do you remember Johnthat was in the bushmanstrction? So the

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son ye highly regarded national figure fora Republican governor. I think it's like
one of those things. It's abunch of like New England states that had
Republican governors for a while that we'rethey could like they were sane passing,
and they were very popular, andsome people were like, what would what
wouldn't you run against Donald Trump?And it's like, because you're not stupid,
you know, like he knows thatthat's not like a popular way to

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be a Republican right now, exceptside of his little state full of normal
people. So occasionally we have toask Christine new about the dumb things the
legislature does, or like there's alsosomething called an executive Council which can screw
things up for the governor, whichthere's five of them, and like like
for I think for like a yearstraight they kept vetoing COVID funds or are

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we don't trust we don't trust thegovernment to send that money that money's got.
There was one guy, ken Wiler, who's like eighty years old,
in the head of one of thebudget committees, who who published a thing
that said there were tentacle creatures inthe COVID vaccine. So these are the
people that's a case of the youknow, the stopped clock being right twice
a day. Because that was laterproven, I believe rightly there pecle creatures

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inside of the things that It's beena really bad three years to be in
the United States and like I Ihad COVID like last month. It still
sucks. It's a really unpleasant experience, but it has been a really illuminating
time to find, like just peoplethat you wouldn't think that presumably that ken
Wiler, eighty year old state representativeis like a normal guy, but just

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the things that people believe you canfit inside of a serum that gets injected
into your arm with it right,there's nano robots in in. It's like,
there's definitely not dude that as youmade that up because you thought it
be a cool or scary thing.And it made you feel interested for a
half a second, but you haveto do harder work than that. The
best the best part about Ken Wilderhas used to be an airline pilot.

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And we've talked about this, like, can you imagine, like finding out
Ken Wiler was your airline pilot,wouldn't you like trying to dB Cooper that
thing immediately just jump out of anyof the window. This is one of
those things that again you don't Ithink the last few years especially have been
a good time to be like sortof thinking about this, Like no one's
ever happy to get pulled over byyou know, like a cop and get
a speeding ticket or whatever. It'sonly like in the last maybe this is

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my privilege showing or whatever. It'sonly been in the last decade that like,
when I've had that situation, I'mlike, I'm wondered, like what
does this guy believe? Like whatdoes it does he have? Like what
opinions does he hold about like therole of sheriffs in the constitutional order in
the United States. Because there's somany more deeply kooky ideas that are not

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they're not like in the mainstream,but they're way easier to find than they've
ever been before. So the wholedo you know about the like the institutional
sheriff's movement? Have you heard aboutthis vaguely? I know there are places
in the country where basically a sheriffis like an unelected dictator, has all
these powers to do anything they want. Yeah, it's like a cousin of
the three percent thing. But theidea of there is basically it's like similar

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to people that are like sovereign citizens, where they're like every form of government
is unconstitutional and not worthy of respectexcept for your local sheriff, who you
have to listen to regardless of whathe says. But anyway, we're far
afield here. But yeah, thatabsolutely we are. But that's that's that's
why it's so fun. That's whatI'm here for. I guess we're talking

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about David rothadefector dot com uh herespeaking of depressing last three years. This
is actually like an hour or soago. The New has Report of Education
decided that having elements of prager youis like a ok uh in the in
the learned everywhere uh or a systemor you know, like homeschool parents can

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pick and choose things. And nowPrager you has and just been approved to
be part of New Hampshire's education educationsystem. But David David David, it's
only the economic responsibility piece, whichis fine. Not the video where an
animated booker t Washington tells some kidsthat slavery wasn't as bad as you've heard,
right, you can't use that one, all right, Nottarian stuff.

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We don't really agree with that,and to which my basic response it gets
even kind of grosser because the headof the Board of Education, the chair
of the Board of Education, DrewKlein, also runs some think tank,
some like conservative think tank. Andalso it's like a full disclosure, hosts
a radio show on a competing stationbut nobody listens to. But but he

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for for weeks and weeks he waskeeping up for this talking about like,
well, people are really exaggerating whetherhow bad prag or you stuff is.
And people will just post a videoand be like what about this one?
Yeah, and that's not going tobe what we approved, and the metaphor
users like, well, if ifDavid Duke had a culinary class, right,
would you improve? Like, wedon't agree with everything he says,

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but he makes a really good stakeand it's gonna say like it's a killer
at two fae. You don't haveto agree with everything, he says.
Yeah, that to me is deeplydisheartening too. And I've seen it in
a couple of I know it's notthe first state to have come to this
sort of decision, but it isthe idea that I mean, obviously,
it's hard to say that there's onething that's more or less depressing than anything

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else. Right now, we're kindof it's not a great moment. The
idea that you can just use yourlast name as a conservative radio show host
and then just put the word universityafter it, and then if you do
that for ten years, people arelike, it's a very respected university.
It's a named after you can actuallyJedi mind trick people. I mean,

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I guess they have to want tobe a Jedi mind trick. They really
want to be the people that like, preg are you if they really more
with David rothef defect or dot comon overtime coming up next, keep it
here, you know what? Also, and this is like at a personal
level of that kind of bothered meabout this. My wife was homeschooled until

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high school in Maine, and herparents did it because they didn't, you
know, think that the local schooldistrict was very good. She grew up
in a pretty rural area, andthey stopped doing it basically when they realized
that they you know, as peoplewho were not professional educators. They were
like, I don't understand like calculuswell enough to teach this kid calculus.

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Like I can get the right materialand like the state will help me get
some good books and all that stuff, but like I literally can't grade it,
like or at least I can't helpher if she asked how or why
this happens? And then she wentto high school, and then she went
to college and now she's got aseries of good jobs and is like a
normal person I have always been.I know that that may or may not
be a representative version of homeschooling.I think there's probably people to do it

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now, just because they are toopickled by conservative media to like actually go
out and participate in school for mykids. Very woke, you know,
they got the little boxes and thekids doesn't resume it, but the whole
like so that's like, I don'tknow what you do to reach those people.

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To me, I've always felt becauseof the fact that, like,
you know, this person I careabout so much is like a successful product
of homeschooling. I'm fine with it. It's just like you have to take
it seriously. It's your kid,and the state has to take it seriously
because it's somebody else's kid, andin a sense it's the state's kid too.
Like you can't just be like,well, just watch vlogs. It's

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the same thing as going to school. You have to do more than that.
We don't like that some of theteachers may vote for people we don't
like. So instead of the teachers, we're going to show you this racist
YouTube channel, right, and thathas a you at the end of it,
and that's education. Now. Yeah. That kills me about it too,
is that it's like it takes thisthing that is not inherently objectionable or

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bad and then it takes it notjust like takes it apart conceptually and makes
it worse, but it is likeit doesn't even have anything to do with
the idea of education. This isjust like that whole like it's troll war
by other means, right, It'sjust and that to me is like again,
it feels like the sort of thingthat a decision that's getting made by

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like people who are old and don'thave kids of their own, or people
who have like not been in ornear a school for many decades, because
it's like it is like school istoo important to make it about something that
got you upset, like watching Fox. But it's like if you are far

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enough away from your own family orfrom like any of the consequences of that,
then like you would forget that.It's just a I'm not allowed to
curse on this, right, Icould believe it. God, all right,
this is a terrible, gross thingto forget in my opinion, Like
it is like one of the thingsI have a really really hard time excuse.
It's it's funny. And most ofmy good friends are middle school teachers,

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right, because I should also,yeah, put the full disclosure there.
A bunch of my friends are middleschool and high school teachers. But
when I hear when I hear peopletalking about and I met them all because
I played on the same softball teamas that, which is a whole other
story years ago, but when anda few of them aren't what I would
call like hardcore conservatives, but theydo have conservative views. Right, But
when they hear all this talk aboutlike teachers want to indoctrinate kids, teachers

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want to teach kids to be trans, teachers want to do this, I
hear I hear them saying, doyou know how bleeping hard it is to
get a kid to sit and domath? Do you think I have any
effing time to teach a kid tobe woke or to teach a kid to
be trans? Like I wonder,like again, like, how long has
it been since any of these peoplelike you? They all went to school

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at some point? Right, Like, maybe I don't have any examples of
being indoctrinated by by teachers because Iwas too big an idiot to listen to
a single thing that they said.Right, So the idea that like,
if they have like a Pride flagon their desk, I would have just
made fun of that. If theyhad some if they had a new Jersey
Devil's flag on their desk, Iwould have made fun of that too.
That was all I knew how todo. Yeah, And so the idea

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there of like God, I mean, it's just it's really frustrating to me
too, because I do feel likeit's the sort of thing that not just
is it going to have some downstreamimpact on you know, on kids and
on teachers, neither of whom isreally being thought about very much on this,
but like, as a culture,we really can't afford to get that
much dumber. I don't think likewe're kind of bumping up the critical mass

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for dumbness right right the next thenext pandemic or the next whatever. We've
and we've had so much dumbness cometo the surface and kind of start to
take over that I think it's goingto tip the scales a bit. Yeah,
the idea of like any form ofconsensus that could be beneficial to the
country is like really really hard tocome by now, and so the idea

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that like we can't even all knowthe same things that Like, it's also
like that somehow you have a rightto just know a bunch of made up
stuff about the Civil War because yourparents are concerned about the woke stuff you
might learn in school, like madeup things about the Civil War that you're
learning again from a conservative talk radioshow hosts YouTube channel, Yeah, dad,

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animated setting videos. Yeah, comeon, man, Like I really
have a hard time with that.Things are wild. We're talking with with
David Rotha Defector. Let's talk aboutsomething that's a little more fun, which
is Jersey. Uh. Yes,my saw goes to school in North Jersey.
We were talking about this. Uhhe goes to William Patterson William Patterson
University exactly. Uh. And hegoes there obstensibly to study business, but

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really it's just for the bowling team. And you you noted that, You're
like, oh, I think Iheard that Willie p as it's called is
A is a big, big timebowling school. And you noted that,
like all the small schools in NewJersey are not all of them, but
many of them are known for likeone specific thing that they're really good at.
Like I only knew Montclair State asthe school that Carmela Soprano went to

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for two semesters. Went there aswell. A lot of people don't remember
Sam Mills undersize the linebacker and allpro he was fantastic. I didn't realize
he went there. But yeah,so so what what what? What?
What is your favorite random thing thata Jersey college is good at. Well,
there's all I mean, like theones that I remember from growing But
I knew about William Patterson and Idid, you know, I did like

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a journalism thing there when I wasin high school. I'm sure that I
like played in a basketball tournament there, Like I know I did it Fairley
Dickinson, which like won a gamein the NCAA Tournament last year, which
was incredible. Right, So there'sall of those schools that are like in
the community, but private universities arelike they're sort of everybody's. So anytime

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something good happens with William Patterson University, for me, it's I don't I
have friends that went there, butI didn't, you know, go there,
like knowing that they have a goodbowling team. I don't know why
I know that, but I doknow that, so that there's there's I
can tell you. I did thisbefore we recorded. I remember that Horace
Jenkins, who played very briefly withthe Detroit Pistons, is a William Patterson
University product basketball college. But theyknow D three, and I don't think

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they're very good D three, youknow, So it is unusual that this
sort of thing happens. But Imean that's the part of it that I've
always like. So I wish Icould do more on like the specifics of
this. I know that, uhlike Ramapo, which is I guess across
the border in New York State.I think in Rockland County. Have a

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friendly went there. It might beI mean, is let me look it
up that that is like one thathad a really good a friend of mine
who since go on, you know, got on to like make his living
in it was never a great uhstudent when we were in high school.
He's like one of my oldest friends. It's like Ramapo, Yeah there is.
It's in Malwaw. Great so Ramapo, New Jersey like elite marketing program.
My friend Craig went there and didgreat, like it was the sort

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of thing where like it wouldn't havebeen and the rest of it is like
I mean he definitely like slept inhis bed at his house when he was
going there. Like it is likea commuter school, but yet there's enough
of these. You only have tobe like really good at that one thing
and then you've got this one thingthat you're really good at. William Patterson
I think is also a pretty goodacademic school as well. It just happens
it has a really good music programand specifically I guess music production like a

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lot of people have gone on toworkff went there, Okay, yeah,
yes, and so there is likethat stuff. I mean after he went
to he went to a different schooland it was like wasn't working out,
and he went to William Paterson andgot like better education and got to live
at home, which was like partof the problem there. But yeah and
and yeah, so cam is oneof the few commuters or a few non
commuters at the school. It's likeit's like eighty five percent commuters and like

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there's like a couple of dorms.Yeah, and uh and he's in and
it's I believe it's in Wayne.Is in Wayne, Wayne, Yes,
which I haven't played work in Wayne. Uh yeah, it's I get I
wish I could recommend everything I've gotrecommendation wise for me for Wayne is literally
thirty five years out of date.Like I was like, I don't know
if the food Rutgers and like littleFerry is still there. There's a pretty

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solid food Rutgers back in the day. Though. My one experience with Wayne
before my kid went to school therewas when I was an independent freshional wrestler.
I did a few shows in Wayne, oh where at a at like
a venue like a like a yeah, I'm trying to some Columbus fall or
something. It was. It wasnot like a God, this was so
long ago. It was it goesmy dog barking at my wife. Yea,

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it was so long ago. Ifeel like it was out like a
sports specific thing with like a bunchof basketball courts and like indoor soccer things,
because I remember one of one ofthe guy I drove down with it,
I like wagered on an eight yearold soccer game and I lost twenty
bucks on it. But so Imade a specifically stop at fountains of Wayne
so I could like, yeah,take a like a fair picture of it.

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I remember that I have any fromwhen I was a kid on local
cable that there's that's basically like mostof how I know these towns where I'm
like, well, I don't remeblyremember very much about Clifton, but I
think that's where like the Hot Grillis and like the Hot Girl. Those
were very well regarded hot dogs andso like I had seen and their ads
were all really like extremely budgety,you know, just like people with mustaches

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being startled by a man with ahandy cam being like how are you enjoying
your chili dog like that was likewhat the commercials were. That's a fantastic
football yep. So most of whatI know about Wayne was like maybe times
where I would like go to workwith my mom every now and then,
like you know, just like takeyour kid to work day type stuff,
and I just mostly remember all thecrazy shortcuts that she would take traffic wise,

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or she be like, are yougoing through this eyehop parking lot and
she'd be like, yes, Ido every morning, every morn So I
don't know anything about the eye Hoopin particular, except for the fact that
it like lets you skip a trafficlight if you're my mom and that's how
you want to do it. Butyeah, I hope that he's having fun
out there. I mean, likeI wish the rich culture of New Jersey
could give him something that he's notgonna get anywhere else. I know that

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that's not true, but at thevery least I hear. I don't hear
from him unless he needs money orI have no idea if he's even going
to classes. I do hear aboutwhat's happening with the bowling team, because
they had, like they have likethis crazy long hard tryout and he should
be on the varsity squad this yearand so we get to like go to

(27:17):
Atlanta and Chicago for tournaments in Vegascollege bowling programs. So it's like with
hockey, where it's just like acrazy grab bag of schools from all around
the country. Yeah, it's alot in the Midwest because there's a lot
of Yeah, like Wichita State,like men's bowling is a club sport,
it's not an NC double a sport. Women's bowling is an NC double a
sport. But like which to state'sgood and like Wisconsin, Whitewater is like

(27:41):
always competing for national championships with legendaryschool as well. It fits that they'd
be good at the sport that youdo while you're drinking beers, right,
I guess they're also like a Dthree football powerhouse, are ye? Yeah?
And I'll actually a lot of alot of schools in the New Jersey
area are very good. So likelike my son was is a good bowler,

(28:02):
Like he won the New Hampshire statechampionship, which is like winning like
your local Nights of Columbus bingo championships, you know, because it is a
state big if true it was oneof the first ones. So then when
once you get outside of New England, like bowling alleys have like eighty lanes
instead of twenty, and then peopleactually care about it. So it was
a whole new It's a whole newthing. And like you had, you
know, all the professionals like Parkerbowned the Third lives in New Jersey and

(28:25):
his kids like one of the topyouth bowlers in the country, and it's
a whole, a whole new worldyou had to figure out, Dame.
I had a lot of friends thatdid bowling as a high school sport because
they wanted to get a varsity letter. It's like the most low impact varsity
athletic letter that you could get forlike a college application. I have that
beat because when I was in highschool, you got a varsity letter for

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drama club nice, and I Igot like the when was a freshman,
I got the role in the thirdact of Plaza Suite, the comedy one.
I was the father of the bride. So I got a varsity letter,
and I like, at this time, I was like dying my hair
green and like putting a safety pinin my eyebrow. I was all punk
and so I would I put iton some awful sweater. I was like,
eight football guys, suck it.I got aniversity. Yeah, very

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much. It's also really good thatthat was something that could be that there
is like the varsity drama coach givesit to you, and it's like for
everything you've done for this program.Yeah, I wish it still had a
little like embroidered mask and dagger on. Oh, it's fantast fantastic. It's
really good. It was unbelievable.Well, this guy's a weird bowling question
before we go, because I knowthat I've absolutely so it's regular bowling.

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It's like the big ball with thethree holes in it. You guys,
Yeah, you guys don't do candlepin up there? No, we still,
yeah, we absolutely do candlepin.It's just it's it's kind of dying
like it used to be huge.Yeah. I had a friend who wrote
a store a million websites ago wroteabout like this slow death of candlepin because
it's like I've did candle candlepin oncein Massachusetts. I loved it, but

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it was incredibly hard. Yes,like sort of like I can I can
see why people like like the louder, easier, dumber one right, But
Candlepon bulling used to like there usedto be two different Candlepon bowling shows on
the Boston ABC affiliate and at timesit would out it would get better ratings
than the Boston Red Sox, likeit dark days. Like if you go

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back on YouTube, you watch DonGillis hosting and like seeing like from Lena
Lanes and you know, Quincy,Massachusetts, and like it was, you
know it was, it was huge, And I used to when I first
got into media, I was like, one of my goals is to host
a Candlepon bowling show. It's sadly, I don't think it's gonna happen,
but you never know. Yeah,it'd have to be on like YouTube or
like twitch now, which is unfortunate. This is why I asked about where

(30:40):
you wrestled in North Jersey too.Is I feel like there's this I mean,
obviously it's happening everywhere, but thissort of like collapse of those weird
places, like big spaces that usedto be like full of people doing different
weird stuff and that just doesn't existanymore. One of the iconic Bruce Springsteen
five performances that's recorded from nineteen seventyeight in Passaic, New Jersey. Okay,

(31:04):
Like it's like a big venue.It's like a you know, five
thousand seat venue that is for surenot there anymore, and it has not
been replaced with something cooler. Itwas just the sort of thing where like
you used to be able to puta rock venue in like a biggish suburb,
small city in North Jersey and likeyou know, in seventy eight Springsteen
would play it right now, Imean so. And then the idea too

(31:25):
of like these massive bowling lanes thatwe have in New Jersey, Like a
lot of those are gone too.I think that I remember going to like
birthday parties at those things and theyfelt like they were a mile long,
you know. But yeah, thatis there's those are all just like staples
now. Yeah, yeah, it'skind of it's yeah, it's everything's a
box store or or an Apple ofThea's or a strip mall. Yeah,
it's a it's a simpler time.Roth. But I'm gonna go in a

(31:48):
candle. I'm gonna I'm gonna bethe change I want to see in the
world, and I'm gonna open aboot like candlepin bowling lane in my apartment.
Well I will. I will certainlyshow up there one of my kid
bowls I meet at Staten Island,I'll invite you to come watch it.
Nice. I would love to dothat. I've I've been to stat Island
very very fleetingly in my life,but I've never explored their rich bowling culture.

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Yeah. Well, there's there's onlyone way to experience it, I
guess, and it's live. ButDavid Rolfsonfecture dot com, thanks so much
for doing this. Appreciate it.Thank you man, Appreciate it, I
said overtime. He was the voiceof the Dartmouth Green on the radio and
the Dartmouth and new An Get Readyto Tangle later this evening. Uh,
you can listen to Fred Franklin onthe on the Dartmouth Sports app or you

(32:31):
can listen to me, or youcan go back and forth and see who's
better. And you'll probably say,oh, it's kind of it's Brett,
isn't it. But anyway, BrettFranklin joins us on overtime. How you
doing, bet good? Justin thanksfor having me, no problem, and
uh, it's it's the start ofthe season. For Dartmouth, and it's
there there, as they pointed outto Kelly Brown of The Morning Buzz on
Friday morning, the very last eNCAto play football team to kick off their

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season because it's the six pm kickoffs. So what are the you've been doing
Dartmouth football games for a while.Are the challenges in IVY League team faces
when they kind of start the seasonlate against team that has a few games
under their belt. Yeah, there'sobviously many challenges that an IVY League team
faces, especially when you don't hitduring practice. Of course, Dartmouth in

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the IVY League, there's no contactduring during practices. So Sammy McCorkle,
who the interim head coach of Dartmouth's, told me on our radio show up
here in the Upper Valley earlier thisweek that the speed of the game is
going to be a concern as faras you know, obviously facing a different
team, you know, you're notchallenging your teammates in practice, and obviously

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UNH's offense has just been on fireto start the season, so, uh,
you know, the physicality of it, the speed of the game.
Uh, you know, they've obviouslyhad inter squad scrimmages but it's been far
and few between as far as youknow, getting into that game, mentality,

(33:58):
that routine that as you know,coaches and players getting into. But
yeah, this is gonna be astiff challenge for Dartmouth, no doubt about
it. I mean just on thesurface of it, like you said,
and just not you know, justbeing the last team in the country to
play and then on top of it, playing the eleventh ranked team in the
country. Yeah, no, noshortage of motivation though for the Big Green,

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right you have you know, thethe Ivy League and now I guess
every football team in New England isgoing to wear the initials of Buddy Tevens
on their helmet. And also lastyear's game kind of nearly had a fracas
after no one could find the trophyand the clans got together at the end
of last year. So I'm surethere's no lack of motivation for the Big
Green coming into this game. Andyou always want to have bragging rights in

(34:40):
the Grand States. So what doyou think the mentality or other players is
right now? Yeah, I thinkit's definitely blossomed into a rivalry. I
mean, again, these two teamsdidn't play for a couple of years and
then you know, obviously UNH dominatedthe series for a long long time before
Dartmouth got a few wins and theGranite Bowl as it's affectionately known, was

(35:05):
back on. You know, wewere talking before we came on. You
know, this is a game,at least from media and fans point of
view, that I think should beplayed every year. It's two of the
Division one only Division one programs inNew Hampshire. Each of had their own
brand of success that they can theycan grow home about, and I just
think it's a game that should beplayed again. Whether it should be the

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first game of the season to beplayed is a whole another ball of wax.
But I think there's Yeah, Ithink the way the game ended last
year, you know, it wasit was chippy, especially with UNH winning
on Dartmouth's home turf, and youknow, and then of course, like
we said before, Dartmouth getting acouple of stringing together a couple of wings
in that series. So I definitelythink, you know, there is a

(35:52):
rivalry for sure, just as faras you know, the you know,
the the relative you know this ofhow recent these games have been. So
yeah, I think bragging rights forsure. There definitely is on the line,
and I think both coaches know it. You know, Rick santos Is

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is no newbi to this rivalry,neither of Sammy McCorkle, who has been
with Dartmouth eighteen years, the interimhead coach. So yeah, I think
it should be fun, it's andagain it's a game that I think should
be played every year. So NickHoward, we obviously know a lot about
fitier player. He absolutely killed unhin twenty twenty one. If I recall
last year, he was a littlebagged up but trying to get through the
game. Just probably wasn't at onehundred percent during last year's game. But

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he's a dynamic player. I thinkhe's eleventh on Darmouth's all time scoring list.
Now at this point, with youknow this year to come, tell
me a little bit about where he'sat. And also interim head coach Sammy
McCorkle, do we think he's gonnatry anything anything new out there or do
you do you expect him to kindof run things the way coach Stevens would
run things. Yeah, I'm veryfascinated how interim head coach Samy McCorkle is

(37:00):
going to go into this. Heis a guy that has been in Hanover
for for eighteen seasons, played underSteve Spurrier at the University of Florida and
so, and has been the secondarycoach for quite some time. Yeah,
it's gonna be very fascinating how hegoes. Does he stick to the game

(37:22):
playing, does he throw his ownwrinkle in there? Rick Santos was talking
about in his press conference this week. You know that he that that's one
of the things he's he was talkingabout, you know, coming into this
matchup. You know, will Sammythrow in his own little thing? It'll
be interesting. Dartmouth also does flipquarterbacks. You mentioned Nick Howard. He
is tough on the ground. Hewas actually recruited by several big Power five

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schools as a linebacker for as awalk on, but came to Dartmouth because
they offered him to play quarterback.His struggles in throwing the ball has certainly
limited this team. He was definitelynot one hundred percent last season. Missed
the game at Yale, missed thegame at Princeton. Dylan Cadwallader out of
Frisco, Texas. He's definitely thethrowing quarterback, and he got nicked up

(38:09):
at the end of the season aswell. And then I wouldn't be surprised
if you see Jackson Proctor third stringquarterbacks awesome action against Princeton. You know,
really did well as as a asthe third string quarterback in that situation.
So I'll be very curious how thequarterback situation plays out. But then
again, I go back to samanMcCorkle, Steve Spurrier playing under him.

(38:30):
Steve Spurrier known for the dual quarterbacksystem, so maybe he stays true to
it. It'll be very fascinating howthey play that. But yeah, if
Nick Howard's one percent and he's readyto lower the shoulder and you know,
and ready to take the rock,look out. But he needs to have
some sort of passing attack. Dartmouthwas dead last and throwing last year in

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the IVY League. Talking about that. Bret Franklin, who is the voice
of the Armouth the Green not justa football but of like eleventeen other of
their sports as well. Yeah,kind of runs the show at Great Eastern
Radio. He'll call the game thatare of the side along with Matt Corsetti.
Where do you think the ceiling isfor Darvin. This year there picked
six of the IVY League usually thinkof lately, Yale and Princeton are kind

(39:12):
of the top dogs that Yale haspicked first this season. Where do you
think the Big Green will end upslotting in this year? Yeah, I
think that's probably an appropriate spot inthe preseason poll. I mean, listen,
last year, this team had alot of injuries. And you know,
again we're not trying to make excuses, but they had a lot of
injuries. A lot of young guyswere forced to play a lot of minutes

(39:35):
last year, so obviously that couldbode well coming in to this season.
Questions for me is the cornerback situation. How does that bold well? Especially
this week against the wide outs ofUNH offensive line was a question mark last
year, but it held up relativelywell passing game. I just think this

(39:57):
team needs to have some balance there. The kicking game wasn't great last year
either, so I know, luckilythe wind's gonna be very calm this weekend.
Yeah, well there there you go. But you know, wind at
your back, please, you know? So yeah, I mean listen,
I think you know five and five, you know, is a relatively you
know, safe projection. But theIVY League has been up and down.

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You look at last year two forDartmouth, they played Yale tough down in
New Haven. They gave Princeton agame late last year, I think three
or four games. You know,we're like a one score possession, you
know, So they've been close.But you know, as you know,
when you're playing guys who haven't hada ton of minutes, and you know,

(40:42):
when you've got a limit mistakes,you know that's going to be a
big challenge. So I think alot of the younger players last year benefit
of them by getting minutes. Willthat translate into this game. They've got
a limit turnovers they've got. Ithink if they can keep it close in
the fourth quarter, they'll be veryIt'll be in good spun. Remember last
year Dartmouth really gave you an H'soffense a ton of trouble. That's last

(41:06):
year. So second half, Yeah, Don DoBeS, the defensive coordinator who's
been with the Big Green now forfor many years, had a great game
plan. So yeah, weather thatI mean, that's gonna be a big
thing too. Yes, And Imean if it's pouring and it's it's just
a slot fest as well. Yeah, I mean that probably plays well for
Darmouth obviously, Dylan Louby on theother side of UNH that's gonna be another

(41:30):
interesting aspect of it as well.So yeah, very fascinating how this is
going to play out and for you, for New Hampshire football fans, for
New England football fans. Should bea fun one on Saturday night. Absolutely
or Brett looking forward to seeing youat at Wildcats Stadium. Well, I'm
sure we'll shoot the breeze before thegame. And uh yeah, I have
a great call in good luck tothe Big Green except for Saturday, but

(41:50):
good on the rest of the way. Yes, I have a good call
justin We'll see you all right.That's gonna wrap it up for this week's
show. Like I said, didn'thave time to mess around. Dah you
thought I was joking. No,no, no time to mess around.
So thanks to my guests at Davidroff defector dot com, also Brett Franklin
of Great Eastern Radio and the DartmouthPick Green Radio Network. We will see
you guys next week. Don't forgetstood into UNH Darmouth five thirty on the

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Wildcat Radio Network. And remember,hippies are bad people pretending to be good.
Punks are good people pretending to bebad. I'll see you next week.