Pair and a Spare Podcast 2025, Week 15 Review: CFP, Indiana, Rate Bowl, Bowl Rant

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back with their reactions to the College Football Playoff field and the inevitable controversy and complaints surrounding it. The guys discuss the epic Big Ten Championship Game and give their thoughts on the unlikely story of the rise of Indiana football. Gaardsy has some thoughts on the bowl selection process that he had to get off his chest towards the end.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thank you, PJ. It is time for another edition of
the Pair and a Spare podcast. I'm justin guard from
the fan. We've got Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot
com and despite the snow, it looks like he's still
in Minnesota. Chips Goggins from the Minnesota Star Tribune and
football across Minnesota. You're braving another snowstorm. We still don't
have a snowblower though, right you're you're you're with no snowblower. Blower, No,

(00:26):
I think we really need it yet.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, we're we're blue collar. But this this might be
the one.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
This might be the winner blue collar in Minnetonka.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Man is to be determined at this point whether I
see another winner after this one.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Wow, Well, will you do us a favorite? Let pair?
You know when you move, that's what we always tell you.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
See the palm trees in my background, you'll know that.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Let us break the news. That's all we want. That's
what I would always tell. Yeah, I would tell Richard Patino, like,
just let me break the news. When you you know
a get fired or b take the New Mexico job.
He didn't like that. He didn't like that from me.
I'm just going to say that right out of the gate.
He didn't appreciate that. But that's all right. We got
a lot to get to so we may as well
get right into it. A lot of controversy, a lot

(01:14):
of talkability in the college football world, and I think
we need to start with the College Football Playoff. We're
going to talk about the Gophers going to the Rate
Bowl the day after Christmas. They're taking out, speaking of
Richard Patino, New Mexico the Lobos because of some opt
outs from the Big Twelve Conference. I'm going to go
through every player on the Gophers' roster and ask Burnsy
to give me an update on if they're coming back
or not, because I know he wants to go through

(01:36):
his spreadsheet. We've got Matt Campbell to Penn State, and
we've got an important football game this weekend that we're
going to talk about as well. But I'll open the
floor to you, guys, what do you think? The headline
of the twelve team College Football Playoff reveal on Sunday
is what have you made of the reaction should people
be as mad as they are about certain things. Burnsy

(01:58):
will start with you. The floor is yours college football
playoff your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm glad. I'm gonna start with a positive here, because
we're a very positive podcast here. When I say I'm glad,
we're debating ten and two teams and nine and three
teams and not just like a couple of years ago
when Florida State got left out after an undefeated season.
So I think it's a lot easier to do this.
But I think let's throw it to the resident SEC

(02:28):
expert here and say, chip Alabama being where they are
and not being penalized for their loss as a nine
and three or what is it? Ten and three? Ten
and three team? Now?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Ten and three now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
What are your thoughts on Bama staying put at number nine?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, it's interesting if we have a sixteen team field,
a twenty fourteen field, and basketball you have a sixty
eighteen field, there's always people that complain about didn't get in.
So no matter what the size, we're going to complain
about it.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Right, there's always there's always a bubble no matter what.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
But I always say, if if, if you get left
out of like the basketball at sixty eight and you're screaming,
we didn't we deserve to be in. That's a U problem.
That's not a tournament problem like this, Okay, when you
had twelve. I didn't realize this until I I've done
a lot of reading since that part of the contract

(03:26):
between UH, ESPN and the College Football Playoff is that
they have to do six of those shows, those UH
reveal shows, And you're just opening yourself up for criticism
and second guessing and about facing and all these things
that or have come into play. If you just had

(03:49):
one and said, here it is, we wouldn't have this
because you wouldn't know that they had Notre Dame ranked
ahead of Miami by a lot early on and then
at shrunk trunk shrunk tr truck until it didn't You
wouldn't know that. And so I think from Miami's perspective,
that's caused that. I know, there's a lot of talk
about having five SEC teams in there, and oh, by

(04:13):
the way, ESPN and SEC the arrangement with Alabama and
and and you don't drop Alabama when they get destroyed
by Georgia, but you drop by U when they get
destroyed by Texas Tech. So there's some hypocrisy there. But
I do think if you're talking about Alabama Notre Dame,

(04:33):
and you can make the argument for Notre Dame just surely,
but I think strength to schedule matters. It does, and
I look at Alabama had I think there's sixth in
strength to schedule. They have a bad loss Florida State
can't dispute that, but they had a stretch where they
went at Georgia and one home against their ranked Missouri team,

(04:57):
in one was it at Vandy a ranked Dandy team,
in one home against Tennessee, and and home against Tennessee
which was I think eleventh at the time, and one
day and a four gamete. So their strength to schedule
six Notre Dames was forty fourth. I mean they played Purdue, Stanford, Syracuse,
Boston College. These teams are three wins, four width, so

(05:17):
I think that's where it came into play. And then
when they backed them up against Miami and and them
in my Notre Dame in Miami have basically identical resumes.
They went head to head. So but there is hypocrisy
that they don't move BYU moves. But I think This
whole thing is because ESPN wants they have a weekly

(05:42):
dialogue and conversation about, Ah, this team's getting you know, screwed,
this team's left out. They you know, they want this
weekly reveal that committee is being subjected to. Hey, now
wait a second, what you're dropping notre dame when they
didn't lose, Why did you do that? And it's for

(06:03):
us it's indefensible. They didn't play. Yeah, they not only
didn't lose, they didn't play, so it's it's hard to.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Play and they got to get and they got in.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
So it's it's that is the root of the problem
to me.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I just this committee man and tipulate it out.
And I don't know that I have a ton further
to add. But when you do these shows every week
and then you wait until the final week to flip
flop those two teams, what was the point of what
people should never watch one of these shows ever again
at that point, because what was the point?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Let me let me ask you about to play off
because this is I've seen this discussion. I think it's interesting.
Do you want the twelve best or do you like
having James Madison and Tulane in there? So it's more
uh inclusive. What's your preference? Because if you say you

(06:59):
want your twelve best, I don't think you can argue
that James Madison is better than Texas Notre Dame by
U Vandy. What's your preference?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, we got to get into then the conference champion discussion,
which is also part of the whole ACC debacle with
their conference champion and things of that nature. And why
James Madison and why Tulane are in is because the
NCAA or doesn't want to get sued because they don't

(07:32):
have ant like this, this whole thing got all screwed up.
I want look, I think there's a good mix of
the twelve best. But then you've also got to throw
in the well, what's the old miss game? It's a
rematch of the one from earlier in the season where
it was lopside, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And so is Alabama Oklahoma is a rematch? Right? Don't
they play Guardian in Alabamaane?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeahs already host Alabama?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah almost, Tulane already happened. We know how that went.
I mean Oregon versus JM you. I mean, now UCLA
coach Bob Chesney gets to stay coaching them. But I
just I even think I'm not even as upset about
the Alabama thing. I think the thing that has me
the most upset is the way Notre Dame took their
ball and went home and is now pouting.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, hold on, before we get to that, let me
answer Chip's question. Do I want the twelve best teams
or do I want inclusion? I want inclusion. I want
inclusion because you're asking all these programs, all these teams,
all the like. I know, the SEC the Big Ten
wanted to just be the twenty team Invitational, and of
course more people are gonna watch those games. I get
all of that, but the world will survive with James

(08:41):
Madison being in there. And by the way, I was
just listening to my guys new Heiseel and Childers before
I came here, and new Heisel read a text from
a group of five administrator that said, our forty percent
of Indiana's team is from James Madison. He's like, they're
leading rusher, they're leading receiver, the leading tackle for loss
in the Big Ten, and like, are there probably more
good players at Texas than James Madison or Tulane. I

(09:05):
think we can all safely say that that right, but
they deserve an opportunity. As Chip would say, I'm sorry,
we're gonna be okay. It's okay to have teams eleven
and twelve be teams that aren't you know that don't
have ten Hosman Trophy winners in sixty five years of tradition,
like cause I know people are mad about that. That's
one of the things that they're saying, Like, we shouldn't

(09:25):
be arguing about Notre Dame. We should be arguing about
James Madison and Tulane. It's okay to let the underdog in.
It's okay. It's what's made the Big Dance what it is, right,
it's what's made March madness. And it's obviously it's gonna
be harder in football because you have to have more
numbers and you have to have health and all those things.
But I have no I want the little guy in.

(09:46):
I think college one of the things that's unique college
report everybody has a team for the most part, So
you got to give him something. You got to give
him something to play for if you're gonna keep asking
him to you know, spend this money and you know,
sell these tickets and that's that's my opinion. That's my well.
But anyway, you know, go ahead, burn, go ahead, take
a tip.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, I was gonna say, you know, the comeback is, wow,
these teams are gonna get get killed. Well, guess what
power power? Two teams get killed. You know, we see it.
It happened last year. You know team I love sure
they get killed in the playoffs. You know it happened.
So I tend to agree with you. I I do
want it. I think it'd be great to see this

(10:28):
go to sixteen teams.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Uh, and it will, it will, and it will will.
They're going to expand it.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
But it is college football is politics and pettiness, and
I love it. That should be the headline, right, politics
and pettiness and the Notre Dame saying we're not going
to play. That was we didn't get what we wanted.
So I know there's conversation that they're trying to hurt
ESPN and not going to play on their for their ratings.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I think it is more stupid.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
They didn't get what they wanted, so they said we're
gonna not play, which you're only hurting your fans. Really,
you know, I mean, if I'm a fan of No Day.
I'm disappointed, but I think I've still once I got
past it, I would enjoy watching them in a bowl game.
Maybe I'm you know, if that happened to Tennessee, I

(11:22):
would be pissed, but I was. You know, it's not
like I'm not going to watch them in a bowl game,
right right? So, but I uh, yeah, I tend to agree
with you, Guardsy. I think I do. Like last year
we had, we went to the same thing last year, like,
let's open it up to some of the you know,
non traditional, the non blue bloods, and let's get to

(11:45):
watch them. I mean, that's I like the mix. You know.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, you guys, you've nailed the key points. Though, just
on they have to figure out what to do with
the show because that creates so many problems for them
because every week something changes. And I'm in this corner
right now, a room slash office slash where all my
crap goes in the house, like they are, I'm backed
into the corner right now. They are like even more,

(12:10):
they backed themselves into a corner every single week, and
it's just so I don't know, if you just do one,
if you just do two, if you do a mid
season check in like they do for the March Madness Tournament.
They'll do like one in like January and says here's
where everybody is right now. I would do it that
way and we'll see. I mean, at some point, I
think if they expand the playoff, you do have to
just get rid of conference championship games because you're gonna

(12:32):
make up the money. The money's gonna be there, and
it just that creates too many issues now too. We've
seen so but I don't know what that means for
conference champions getting in then, Like I don't know, I
don't know, but it just creates so many issues that
we're just seeing them the BYUS slash Alabama issue conference
champ Like, I think that's gonna go away too at

(12:54):
some point.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well with that show, I mean you see the production
that ESPN makes of it, Like for them, why would
they ever get rid of it? ESPN? And it's in
the contract like for them, this is this is hey.
People are tuning in and talking about college football and
their company, so they're do not get rid of it.
So if I was on the committee, I'd be like,
I don't want to be the face of that you
know where we're gonna get. We're gonna be made to

(13:17):
look hypocritical and going back on making decisions that make
no sense, because it's hard to argue a team sliding
when they keep winning and then when they don't play
they get penalized where another team that you know, but
you're right with the conference championships like it either hurts
you or help you or nothing, because it means it
didn't hurt Alabama, but it hurt BYU. So what's the standard?

(13:40):
What's the standard? There's gotta be some standards here, right it,
you know, and it leads to the you know, it
throws gas on the fire of the SEC when one
team the SEC doesn't get punished and an other team does.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well, I'm old enough to remember that. The whole argument
back in twenty twenty three when they put in Bama
over Florida State was well, Florida State was limping to
the finish line, while I'll add they were still winning,
but we wanted the best team, which was Bama, and
so it it's just none of this makes any sense.
And again, you guys already hit the key points where

(14:14):
it's just like, who could have done this to us?
You did selection committee, you didn't care about the head
to head until the final week with say Miami and
Notre Dame or again, I understand that a lot of
these ACC like tiebreaker things and that's who got into
at the conference championship and things like that, but I

(14:35):
don't know, man Like, I don't feel bad for anybody
over there. Even watching that show on Sunday morning, it
was just like listening to Herbstreet try to defend, just like,
do we always have to be the company? Man like?
Can we not have like a thought that may go
against what? And I understand the danger in that for someone,
but it's just like I just I can't. But again

(14:59):
the Odor Dame thing to me since then, which again
for the I'm sure all of our listeners know this,
but Notre Dame doesn't make the playoff and then declines
to go to a bowl game, says we're gonna pout,
go home, take our ball, and we're just gonna sit
there and pout, and we're gonna complain about the ACC
and we're gonna complain about ESPN or athletic director is

(15:20):
gonna go do media. Here's my rant about that before
I'll let you guys talk about this is what are
we like? What are we doing? Where? How do I
want to formulate this? So something didn't go your way
in life, which all three of us know that happens.
So what you're just gonna go home? What are you

(15:41):
teaching these eighteen to twenty three year olds that, oh,
we got snubbed in your mind, well, we're not gonna
go play in what is arguably the funnest bowl games
are the most fun bowl game to watch. The Pop
Tarts Bowl against BYU is who you would have gone
and played like the two teams who got technically snubbed.
It's a great game. It's an Orlando like what But

(16:04):
because you are all hot and bothered and upset and all,
we get to be the fighting Irish. Look at us,
Look how great we are. I think the best thing
I saw with that is that I forget what the
sign is that they slap before they go down.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Play like a champion.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Champion today, somebody made the meme of just.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
That's what hounts me immensely that they just are now
pouting and complaining who could have done this to us? Well,
then go join a bleeping conference and actually play someone,
because you played three ranked teams all year and you
went one and two, like what like you played like
I just cannot even with Notre Dame. I've never liked

(16:47):
Notre Dame first and foremost.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
God, the high and mighty nature of them right now
is just I cannot stand it.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, they're I mean they're their schedules, I mean like that,
I think they were forty fourth and strength to schedule
and you know it's but they're going to resist the conference.
I mean they they you know, they get this massive
deal with NBC. They're not you know why, they don't
think it's in their best interests until something like this happens,
and you can easily point to their conference or their record.
I mean it's just or strength to schedule. It's just

(17:20):
not comparable to what like Alabama's was. I think it's
pretty comparable to Miams. But and maybe they need to
adjust who they play. You know, maybe you don't need
to play Purdue and you know, four or five cupcakes
or not cupcakes. But because you know, if they're in
a conference, that they would play some cupcakes in a

(17:41):
non conference, right, so that would happen. But but yeah,
it's to me, it's a bad look and it's this
is where I think again, it goes back to that show.
But if you're on inside Notre Dame, you have to
say we we can't listen to what out they're saying
and feel safe even though we're winning. It looks like

(18:02):
you're safe, looks like you're safely in the field, and
you keep winning, and you're every week you're in the field.
You're in the field, you're in the field, you're winning,
you're in the field, and then all of a sudden,
you don't. Then you're not. I could understand, like, wait,
wait a second, what just happened here? You know I
could see. But so this show and the committee created
this perception that you're safe, you're in and that's where

(18:25):
I think that is it a disservice to have that
show and have those rankings where you give the false
hope or the false impression of what the team's doing
everything right. I understand their anger, understand their frustration, and
understand their bewilderment. But I think just saying we're not
going to play in a bowl game because of that,

(18:46):
I think you're just penalizing your own fans.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, I like what and I know it was a
player's decision. Apparently, right the leadership council said that we
want to play, and they apparently voted no that they
don't want to play. On the flip side, Vanderbilt ten
and two right and had a good season, and I
don't think wherever, you know, I know they were even saying,
we'll play an extra game right now if you need
another data point to get us into the playoffs. Their

(19:11):
head coach said, we didn't do enough. We're ready to
play against Iowa, right like, and even Iowa, you know,
because you've got we'll talk about some other Bowl opt outs,
like you never have to worry about Iowa not going
to play, right like, I think Farrence said this week,
our whole roster is ready to roll. We're going down
to Tampa for the fiftieth time. Our fans are going

(19:32):
to have a great time, and we're ready to play.
And to your point, Burnsey, Vanderbilt Iowa sets up to
be a nice Bowl game outside of the playoffs, right
because I think all three of us are still Bowl people.
I think we understand where it's going. I talked about inclusion,
you know, the other day. It's like I don't like
the playoff for BUS championship or BUS mentality, especially for

(19:53):
college and so I love Iowa's approach. I always have,
like the COVID here right when everybody was bit of
the finish and they were all hate. Like we knew
two weeks before the last game the Gophers were not
gonna play in a bowl, even though I wanted to. Selfishly,
it's another game check for me. I didn't get I
didn't get COVID tested every day though, So I understand,
but like I will play in the bowl game or

(20:14):
they were going to, and then I think Missouri opted
out or something like. I respect, I understand why teams don't,
and especially some of the ones that are doing it
now and I and I understand why Notre Dame's upset,
but I don't like it. I don't like it because
I respected teams that go, no, we're gonna play. We're
gonna play. We're a team. We're gonna go play with
whoever we have. If Jeremiah Love's gonna opt out and

(20:34):
go to the NFL, fine, we're gonna play with whoever
we have because that's what we signed up to do.
Like I respect Vanderbilt for their whole approach on it
of we're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I mean, could you still want to play one
more game with your guys? Right, even if you you know,
not everybody's gonna opt out. But like Iowa State, I'm
completely fine with that team opting out. That that's a mess.
You lose your coach, you have a new coach coming in,
are going to go into portal all that, I'm fine
with them. To me, that's a totally different conversation than

(21:06):
what Notre Dame did. I mean, Notre Dame just said
we're mad, we're not gonna play. Yeah, I mean the
way Vandy's handled it, and look at their right, I
mean I think they lost to what Georgia and Alabama
or two playoff teams?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
You lost on the road Abama on the road in Texas, Texas.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I mean think about that schedule. Yeah, so yeah,
I I I think we all sort of. But but
I again, I go back to these weekly rollouts and

(21:46):
you're giving a perception and you're telling a team that
you're in the playoff and they keep winning and then
at the last second they're not. Maybe they should have
had some more uh looked at it more realistically and said, hey,
you know, we're going to get to the end of
this and maybe Miami is going to be bumped up

(22:06):
against us and we're going to get leap frog by
head to head. I don't know, maybe they should have
looked at it a little more critically than they were,
but there was no You know, if every week a
group is telling you you're in something, I think you
probably tend to believe it, right, So sure, lesson learned,

(22:28):
you know, I guess lesson learned.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean, I'm even looking at Notre Dame schedule for
next year because there was also the tidbit that came
out where it's written in some contract that if Notre
Dame finishes in the top twelve.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Next year, changes make the playoffs next year, it changes
the contract changes with the CFP next year, So they
would if the stipulations were next year, this year, they
would be in.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Well, let me ask you, guys, what does Notre Dame
have to do next year to get in? Because here
are some of the key games on their schedule. What
I will sell you is the toughest games. Now, they
start off their season at lambeau Field against what was
one of the worst Badger teams in the last I
don't know how many years. But they've also got Michigan
State on the docket. Purdue, Bill Belichick's North Carolina team.

(23:16):
Miami will be a very important game for them. They
get that one at Notre Dame SMU, and I would
say the other one is USC. Like the rest of
that schedule is a joke.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
But those are. That's a pretty tough run right there.
That what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
That'll be at USC. That'll be at USC too, right because.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
The undetermined it says undetermined right now, But like I mean,
Michigan State and produce for what they are right now,
you'll have year one of Pat Fitzgerald, your two back
with fits like that's not like they're gonna have to
go eleven and one to me to make the playoff.

(23:55):
Next year you lose two games, there's no way you
get in with that schedule. Like if you lose to
MYAI and then you drop one against USC or SMU.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Well, is that is that schedule any different than it
is this year? Really? Well, I guess you had two
tough ones. You had Miami and Texas A and m
right off the bat. But that's right again. Their strength
schedule was forty four this year, so that's probably where
that's going to be next year, I would think, right
right in at ballpark.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, it's just again. I I enjoy that we're debating
ten and two and nine and three now, not thirteen
and oh like a couple of years ago. For sure,
Florida State gets left out and Bama.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Gets put in, and I lose no sleepover whoever was
going to get jobbed this year? Like no, you said, Chip,
Like at the end of you know, sixty eight, sixty nine, seventy,
the team's on the bubble like this, I think the
system is by and large working fine, and they've shown
flexibility to tweak it as they go. We just saw
what they did with the buys from a year ago
year over year, so that Ohio State's not playing you know,

(24:55):
Oregon in the Rose Bowl in a one eight matchup,
although Indiana's gonna have to play Alabama O ahma, which
is no picnic in the Rose Bud either. I like
the fact that they've they've tweaked it, so I lose
no sleep over who's in and who's out. I think
they got it, like we said, get rid of the show.
Maybe figure out some other things to tweak as we go,
but I have no Someone's gonna be mad. That's just

(25:16):
the nature of the business. Someone's always going to be mad.
In these selection show criteria, there's only twelve when fifteen
teams probably have a say that's good. That's what you want.
You want people to feel like they're accessive. The playoff
is accessible and you can get there. So I've got
I've lost no sleep over.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
This or will we know?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Just be consistent again?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
But it's hard to It's hard because everything's different because
conference championships, conference champions some teams don't play this metric
matters until it doesn't like it's hard when you have
five different four different conferences and a group of five,
and it's hard to be consistent when so many other
things are so different. That's where but that's why it's

(26:00):
that's why they get into these problems and so but again,
I I think it's fine. We got most of the
good teams in there. Go play guards.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
You remember when it used to be one versus two?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, do you remember I was talking about this on
the fan. Remember when none of them played and you
just hadn't played your Bowl and then and then your
chips Scotti, Yeah, exactly what. Hey, you know who's going
to decide the writers. They're gonna the writers who By
the way, there's no internet. You've seen a team play.
Maybe once you've all taken trains to get there, we'll
just let the media decide, just let us know. And

(26:34):
they would do it before the bowl games, like the
Gophers won a national championship and then lost in the
Rose Bowl I think in nineteen sixty. So that's what
we used to do. I think it is instructive, like
and like you said, they until until when did the
BCS start? When did one versus two start? I mean
that was only like twenty five years ago.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Went to write the book Death to the BCS.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
That was not so long ago, right, And so that's
what we used to do. Everybody would just play their
traditional bowl games and then we just decide, like the
three of us would probably have had to say, and
who the national champion was? Oh boy, right, Like that's
so at least they're playing now, they've gotten smart, they've
figured it out, and it's gonna get better. They're gonna

(27:18):
expand it, they're gonna find ways to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Hey, we know who our national champion hips today. If
we had to.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Vote on it, right, we wouldn't. Yeah, who would you
vote for? I guess you'd vote for Indiana.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Indiana, Yeah, they'd be right.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
But then Ohio State would say, yeah, but we lost
a year ago and then ran through the playoffs. So
I know. But that's the beauty of it, and that's
why you had shared titles. And there was controversy about that,
like it's crazy. So I think every and speaking of Wesley,
he wrote a column that's basically saying what I'm saying.
Everybody calmed down the way it's opposed to.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Oh god, my first year on the beat two thousand
and three, Auburn LSU. Right, I went to both those
national I went to look it up real quick. Auburn
two thousand and three, it was Auburn and LSU was
Nick Saban and l s U Auburn was Did they
finish in a tie? How was it? Did they split it?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
It was a split. LSU won the BCS title by
eating beating Oklahoma US that game. USC was named the
champions in the AP and Football Writers polls, making it
the last split title in history. L s U and
usc Auburn.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Did Auburn do something that I knew it was l
U because that was the Nick Saban, right, Yeah, that
was that was in New Orleans. That that was the
BCS Championship. I went to that one, right, the Sugar Bowl,
yea Sugar Bowl. Yeah that wasn't That was what twenty
two years ago?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
So yeah, exactly, So everybody calmed down. Everybody to Jesus,
if you buy U, you know, go on a another
you know, Mormon uh sabbatical. What do they call it?
Mission trips? Mission missions? Missions? Everybody, relax, every You've got
a whole The regular season still matters. You can still move,

(29:04):
you know, you've got ways to get into the playoff. Like,
it'll all be fine. These games are gonna be great.
We'll have plenty of time to talk about the game.
So we won't do that as much now in the bracket,
but games are gonna be good. We should probably spend
a minute talking about Indiana though, because that is something
I mean, we'll never we'll never see anything like this
ever again, because of how bad they were forever and

(29:27):
how good they are now and like even now, Minnesota
is the last team to win an outright Big Ten championship.
They have that mantle unfortunately if you're a Gopher fan.
But even if they somehow jumped up and did it,
it wouldn't be the story now that Indiana is right,
because Indiana came out, I mean to be a huge deal.
But like they've at least had you know, eight win season,

(29:51):
seven win seasons, a ten win season in the last decade,
they wouldn't be coming out of nowhere nowhere like Indiana did.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I was thinking about this, boys, when was it we
went there last? Was it four years ago? They just
they had lost them, remember Iowa? And it was the
next week we went there.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh yeah, twenty one or twenty two.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
But I remember getting out of the car of Randy Johnson. Yeah,
I remember, you know, we get there early, but not
so early that you know, but I remember we got there.
We like we got the right day. Is there a
game here? And there was nobody there? I mean, they
couldn't have had twenty five thousand people in the stands
that day. I mean, I remember the weather was kind
of bad, but it was it was just like desolate

(30:34):
and to think of how far they've come in two
years with signatic I mean, It's one of the great
jobs of maybe college football history when you look at
how run down and just bleak it was to what
they're doing now and that game, you know, we focused

(30:54):
on the quarterbacks, but man, for that was one as
hard hitting as physical game as you're going to see.
I mean, college football now, it's score a bunch of points,
it's high flying. That was throwback we're gonna you know,
beat each other up. And the way Indiana stood up
in the trenches and how physical they played. Goodness, man,

(31:17):
that that team is. They clearly could go win the
national time with how they play, how you know the quarterback,
how physical they are. That was just a hell of
a college football game.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
This will be a team that I think we're going
to look back on in a decade two decades and
just be like how because you look at the way
that that roster has been constructed, and it's largely with
is transfers that they immediately hit on like they the
way that they are hitting on transfers, the way that
they're developing these three star players into guys that are

(31:54):
now going toe to toe with Ohio States athletes and
not just not caring at all, matching physicality flying around
the field is frankly unbelievable. And I know that I
saw one of the what I think is one of
the best Illinois writers, Jeremy Warners, say this that Indiana
has now just for anything related to any team that's

(32:18):
been in the same shoes at any point. It's just
like ruining the perspective of other teams. Where the Gophers
go seven and five, Yet the Gophers go seven and five,
while they shit, why can't they be Indiana? Illinois goes
eight and four? Why can't they be Indiana? Every team,
every fan base is now, well, why can't they be Indiana?

(32:39):
And it's I mean, look the Indiana defense and their
defensive coordinator Brian Haynes like he's gonna be the Broyls
Award winner for a reason.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
The way that they have been.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Able to coach up this team is unbelievable, unbelievable, and
they get the most out of every single guy. And
I think they take the most out of Signetti and
they really kind of just embody him. And I think
there is a big part of that. But it is
just remarkable that the ninety ninth percentile outcome in player

(33:12):
development coaching scheme continues to show up each and every
week for that team, and honestly, I'm having a ton
of fun watching it, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
What, I like it?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You guys, remember I remember when Signetti got hired in
the brashness and produe this and miss and I remember thinking, okay,
let's let's settle down. Well, guess what the guy thought.
The guy backed it up.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Indiana fans thought it. I mean, Indiana fans are probably like,
does he know where he is? He's Bloomington, India is yeah, no.
The perspective thing too, but it's important, I think to
understand how and why he obviously had a great thing
at James Madison. There's still really good right Their old
coach just got the u c l A job. He

(34:04):
brought the right players with them, He found the right players.
They've obviously there's earns these favorite thing, assistant salary pool.
They're spending as much money as anybody in the conference.
That does matter. It is important. It's not just as
easy as well. They just hired a guy that says
google me like. There's a lot of stuff that goes
underneath that, right, right, Like obviously Mendoza not you know,

(34:26):
not a cheap quarterback from Cal. You've got great pieces
that came with you. That's important. Now they got to
keep doing it, right, I mean that that's that's what
these top schools are doing. You look at the portal rankings.
I mean, Texas Tech is right up there this year, right,
best portal portal rankings. You may as well just be payroll, right?

(34:47):
Is that fair? Burnsy like? Well?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Did yeah? Did you see the thing that somebody put
on Twitter and I that their payroll? I assumed it
was portal.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
This is non not.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
The uh revenue share, but thirty twenty five to thirty
five million for their nil.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
You're talking about no textas text? Sorry, yeah, yeah, I
believe it. I believe that.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, if you had, if you had revshare on there,
if it was thirty five on the top end and
you had let's say fifteen million, now you're talking about
a fifty million dollar team.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well that's where their best pets rusher. There was a story,
I think Yahoo put it out where they took a
kid from Stanford and he thought he was going to
go to Cal and then he just gets a text
message from the GM of text saying name your price
he's making I think he's making like four or five
million dollars himself. And again they went out and bought

(35:44):
the best roster they could possibly do. And now they're
going to get a buy in the college football playoff
and they're ahead a schedule. And that's where I think
the the tech oil guy, who's the one who's behind.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
All this, that it was yeah, the biaire, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, he goes well the metrics behind the scenes, our
data says we're going to be even better next year,
Like we're way ahead of schedule right now. I'm sure
why wouldn't they be.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I love college football like this. You get the old tycoon.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Who's yesterday I happened to I googled wealthiest Minnesota alums
and you know names that you know, t Denny Sandford's
up there, obviously, the Lindall and then you know it's
basically all Cargills, and the Cargils have no interest in
doing anything. They all live in Montana. There's nothing written
about them, like they're just like the old school, quiet

(36:35):
billionaire family that just keeps to themselves. And there's not
going to be a new Cargo building on campus. So
I get texts from you know friends of mine that
are in business, because we talked about that Michigan State
thing last week, you know, the one dude's given four
hundred and one million dollars and then they're hopefully going
to raise a billion dollars. It's like, it's disheartening, honestly
if you're one of the teams that can't do this,

(36:56):
and right now Minnesota is one of the teams that
can't do this because you you can still find a
way to be competitive, but can you be competitive at
the top, top top, or like give yourself the best chance.
I mean, when you've got to dude just you know,
and they've got a picture of him sitting courtside probably
with izz Oh, and they're all just in their Michigan
State zips, you know, and guys like, yeah, four hundred
and one mil, Sure, no problem. Like it's just but

(37:19):
that's the reality right now.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It would be interesting to go through the you know,
not including too Lane and James Madison, but the the
other ten and just see what their payrolls are.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well let's just get let's just guess though, do we
think Oregon has a good payroll?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Alabama?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, yes, Saban they're just living on food stamps down
there for that point.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, Miami, I mean they put people in put over
the years, right in the Bryan McKinney era. Texas, A
and M Do we think they have a good payroll?
Ohio State think think they're payrolls good? I mean, I
don't think we JIP. I don't think we need to
do much research. I don't think we need to have

(38:07):
a guy here.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I would love to see, like what the gap is
between these ten teams and then everyone else, because I'm
I mean the average of those would you say if
if you throw in the fifteen million rev share, which
I think most people were doing fifteen million, right, let's
just say that, and that's pretty uniform. Is the average

(38:28):
forty million? Forty five million?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
See, I don't think Indiana is that far up there. Now,
I will say again, like if you ask me of
all these teams power four wise in the playoffs, they're
probably bottom three of them. But that also makes it
sound like they don't have any money, which we've talked
about before. Go look at when Mark Cuban left the
Dallas Mavericks ownership, and look at what Mark Cuban has

(38:54):
done publicly for that University since then with I think
six million dollar building year, eight million dollar donation there,
and then know that he combined with other wealthy Indiana alums,
are also certainly giving I would tell you eight figures
to that program. Now, is it to the level of
a tech or an A and M.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
No, But.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
The way that Signetti and again I think this is
the most impressive part about Signetti and his staff is
they are hitting on ninety plus percent of these guys
that they take out of high school out of the portal,
and that is such an unsustainably high clip for the
rest of America. Yet they did it, and they deserve
credit for that. And again that's why they're one of

(39:38):
the teams that I hope does win the playoff.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Are they hitting How much is that is because of
their great evaluators and how much is that because they
have more money to spend?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Now, I think it's both. Again, I think their talent
and evaluation. Like again, the guy who might even win
the Heisman, that's one of my biggest gripes with people
is Fernando Mendoz a cost god god knows how many million, Yeah,
and he was a very good cow quarterback and they
bought him out of the portal. He was multi millions
of dollars. Like he was really good at cal Now

(40:11):
he's great. And by the way, did you watch his
postgame press conference or on the field there.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
He'll be correct you Burns, he was very flipping good
at Indiana. He was yeah dying.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
My wife was sitting next to me and she heard
him talking and watched it, and she looked at me
and she goes, what the heck was that? Is that
what you guys sound like?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Big Cat from barstool said that men Dooza just cost
himself the Heisman with that interview.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I had a couple of people interview up.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I know, he obviously seems like a great kid. I
mean it seems he's like Kirk Cousins on steroids almost.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
And by the way, did you see the back of
the close up TV shots at the back of his
arms late in the game where he was just beat
the hell in back? I mean his arms are black
and blue and scraped and cut. And I mean at
first shot he took in the you know, first play
of the game. That's a tough kid, man.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
That's the entire it's the entire Indiana roster you could
look at them from one to twenty two and said
that's a tough kid man, and that's why they're so good.
So it's yeah and chips question obviously right, it is
about the money.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
But when you have so many of your James Madison
people coming with you, like think about all these dudes
playing at James Madison, like I was. I remember thinking
about that when the twenty nineteen team for the Gophers,
all those guys that were committed to PJ at Western Michigan.
You known Tanner, Rotman, belt Mo, like I mean Moo

(41:42):
became the greatest running back in Minnesota history. He was
going to Kalamazoo, I believe if I remember correctly. So, like,
imagine those dudes that James Madison, so they are obviously
tos evaluate like they obviously know who because they had
a lot of those guys last year too, right that
they give his third and fourteen kids that came with them,
like that set the foundation. So plenty of time, plenty

(42:05):
of time to talk about the playoff and the Hoosiers,
anything else you guys want to talk about nationally before
we talk about the Rate Bowl, the Gophers, the opt outs,
all that stuff. Anything else.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I want to hear about date night with the Skagins.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
At Jack's Cafe.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh is that where it was?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Is that where you decided to go a little date night?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Imagine that interesting? Yeah, it was, I tell you what.
The patio is just spectacular. Bill has it just amazing
out there, all the lights and he was telling me
there's a Santa Sleigh out there, and everybody was going
out to get their picture there. Then he's had that thing,
what do you say, since nineteen fifties and he had
it refurbished and it's really cool. I'm sure the kids

(42:47):
love it, even adults. Everybody was taking their picture from it.
The food was you almost had to drag me out
of there, it was so good. I boys, I went
with the crab Legs and they were first time I've
had crab leg there. Outstanding. And our server came over
when it was time for dessert, he said, Bill, bet
me a hundred bucks. You're getting a Crimberle. It's like, buddy,

(43:10):
you just lost a bad Kreberle was outstanding the whole night.
It was just, uh, you know, my wife just had
We just had a great time into this football season,
not for vikings, but for the Gophers and just to
get out. Like I said, it was post Thanksgiving, you know,
we'd done a lot of cooking and be able to

(43:30):
go there. Just had yah great crowd and Bill said,
has been like that. We love I love what I
go in there And there was a full house in there, right,
so you know that people were having a great time.
And it was a full house and had a lot
of energy in there and just uh, just an awesome time.
But the place looks beautiful, Like if you want just
an experience with all the lights and christmasy, I mean,

(43:51):
it's it's fabulous.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, you never go to Jackson Go all right, I'm done.
That was one and like if you go if you
haven't gone. So in a way, it's a it's a
it's an endorsement and a warning, like don't go to
Jack's if you think you're just gonna go there one time,
because it's gonna stay with you. The entire experience is
gonna stay with you, and it's gonna stay with your
significant other. They're gonna say we should go to Jack's

(44:19):
when you're thinking about you know, have you know, like
you said, Chip, it's been long, you just want to
have a great night. Just you know, even if it
hasn't been long, you just want to have a great night,
a great time. They're gonna say, what about Jacks. So
don't say we didn't warn you. Don't say we didn't
warn you. Don't don't don't tweet us or text us
and say, now, my wife wants to go to Jacks
every week. Yeah, we've been telling you that, So go
at your own peril. I'm not sure this is what

(44:40):
Bill wants me to say, but that's the point is
if you go, you're gonna want to go back, and
you will go back again and again and again. My
kids are on me about Breakfast with Santon. It's like, well,
if you didn't play so many sports, I'd already have
this figured out. But you want to play hockey and
swimming and basketball and tennis and lacrosse and all these things.
Like we're working on it. Still, got a couple more

(45:02):
saturdays Breakfast with Santa. You can learn more, which is amazing.
Breakfast with Santa at Jack'scafe dot dot com. Ad Burnsey.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Say that again.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Anything you want to add, I think we've covered it
again with.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
I was just there a couple of weeks ago. Man. Again,
it's one of the best places. So if you get
that bonus into your bonus, or if you're just thinking
it's been a long year, let me take my significant
other out to a nice dinner. Jaxcafe dot com.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
All right, the Rate Bowl. This was interesting to me.
And actually this is on my desk. I don't even
know what this was. What is this, burnsy? Was this
a phone charger we got the last time we were there. Yeah,
this is from a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Second, wait a second, you got a phone charger.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
At the way that man's eyes light up.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Seriously, seriously. It's called the Rate Bowl now, So I
don't know why they don't guarantee the raid anymore. It
must be a tough economy. It's just getting whatever the
rate is, you're going to get it, and we're not
going to guarantee it. It could change at any point. I'm
not exactly sure. But the Gophers, as we all expected,
are going back to Arizona. I think it's the sixth
time they're playing in an Arizona Bowl. They've played in
this particular bowl a million times in a million variations.

(46:16):
And because Iowa State had a coaching change and doesn't
want to play because Kansas State had a coaching change
and doesn't want to play. The Gophers are taking on
one of Richard Patino's old schools. This is the Patino Bowl,
the New Mexico Lobos. New Mexico lost to Michigan this
year in the Big House. They beat UCLA at the
Rose Bowl. They got a coach fired, a good power

(46:36):
forward program. Your general reaction to could we even call
it news Burnsey because I think you and I and
everybody that followed this were resigned to the Rate Bowl
for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Of the season, And we'll get into thoughts and feelings
on that, but yeah, that's really interesting part about it
was because of those two opt outs you saw immediately.
By the way, within a few hours, the Big twelve
hits both schools with five hundred thousand dollars fines, which
I want to get Chip's reaction to hearing, all right,

(47:08):
we don't want to play, Well, we're gonna get slapped again.
I know we're talking about nine figure athletic budgets, but
a five hundred thousand dollars fine for places like Iowa
State and Kansas State, that's still significant.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Enough to me.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Well, I know, I know these conferences have contracts with
these bulls that they hit, you know, they're obligated to feel.
But I just think, what do you want Iowa State
to do? The to another place? They have a coach coming.
You want the guy who just got here three seconds
to go to coach the team? I mean, and guys
are gonna leave. I It's one thing if you say, hey,
we think we're above that ball, or we didn't you know,

(47:44):
we don't want to that's a totally different situation than
what Iowa States. And I'm sorry like that if I
was I always saying I had a real problem with
that fine, because like what do you want them to do? Like,
who do you want to You got to have coach
and structure and you know, you got to practice. I mean,
I don't know. I thought that one was kind of
a joke. I completely understand why Iowa State done. If
a team just thinks I don't want to go to
a bowl game, or we didn't get what we thought

(48:04):
we deserved or something like that, to me, that's not
an excuse for skipping a bowl game. But when you
lose your staff and you maybe have some injuries or
you're whatever.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I just think it's let me ask you this. Let
me ask you this because I do tend to agree
with you. But why is it different than what? How
is it different from Old Miss? What do you mean
they lost their coach?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, they're in the playoff though.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
It's still a game.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You're compared the playoff to the.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yes, for this conversation, people are saying this to many people.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Come on, if you if you're if you're making that leap,
I think it's a that's a that's a quantum leap. Yeah,
and I don't know how many even coaches.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Who's coaching Old Miss? I mean Lane said half the staff.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Well, no other letting uh wise Junior go back and
coach THEX coordinary. He's letting them coach theirs. So disrupt it.
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I I I don't can be.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
The point is it can be done, have done it
before it can.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But I just you know, again, there's a massive difference
between the playoff and a Let's be honest, these Bowl
games are exhibitions. As much as we love their exhibitions,
right and hell, half the team might opt out. You know,
I want to be in the portal, and if you're not,
if you're playing for the glory of whatever the trophy

(49:37):
they get or a week in Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
They get a guaranteed rate mortgage, although it's not guaranteed anymore,
it's the rates.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I didn't have a problem with that. I think you're
seeing players exercise their power a little more than what
we've had in the past, that they said, hey, now
wait a second, we actually have a say in things now,
and if we don't want to play, we're not gonna play.
I don't again, I don't. I think you have to
be real careful with that, you know, because you are.

(50:11):
You know, there's a fan base that supports you, that
gives you nil money that comes to stadiums, and you
need to respect that and acknowledge that. But I just
think when thing's a mess, which you know, in chaotic,
with coaches coming, coaches leaving, whatever, I understand.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
It, but they get to take on the fighting. Jason
X who is either going to be the head coach
of the Wisconsin Badgers in twelve months because he is
a lacrosse Wisconsin native, he played at Wisconsin. He would
be on my hotport here at the University of Minnesota.
If Fleckworth to leave, I mean, the dude wins. He
was really good at South Dakota State, which got him

(50:55):
the Idaho job. He won there, gets to New Mexico
in year one and goes nine to three. I mean,
they play really hard. But the other thing I've seen
with it is and I'll be down there. My wife's
gonna come with me. I think we're going down the
twenty third back to twenty seventh. So look, give me
five days and Phoenix compared to.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
You're going down the twenty third.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Well you got media on the morning of the twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Man, good for you. Yeah, you've earned it. You've earned it.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I gotta get down there and do media.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Look not all here a media hotel, same media hotel.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Now we're gonna stay in downtown Phoenix for this one.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Well, that's disappointing. I'm going to your wife. I'm gonna
tell her that you're going cheap. You know you're I'm
telling her that you're because that was.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Your idea for this one.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
By the way, she's wrong, she's wrong. Hold on, it's
the media hotel, the same media hotel. Correct, you know,
come on, give the option, Come on, Liz List, give
me your number, give me your She's been hanging around,
she's been fostered too many cats. She's not thinking clearly.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
These two little guys away from me. Somebody come adoptees.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But downtown Phoenix or the media And I don't eve
want to say where the media hotel is because I
don't know it's what we should with the view of camelback.
You're going downtown. Come on, Burnsy, you got to step
in here. This is ridiculous, happy wife, happy life. And
I'm telling you your battle. How many different cliches, gentlemen,
I got. She's not going to be as happy. She's

(52:31):
she's gonna get there and say you were right. No,
hold on, they'll never say that that. They won't say that.
But she's gonna get there and she's going to think
he was right. She's not going to verbalize it, but
she's she's going to be grateful.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Oh, this is I'm worried about you already. This is
why does she want to stay in downtown Phoenix.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Uh, we've been to Phoenix before, and she wants to
do some more exploring in downtown compared to we've done.
We've gone to Phoenix and and and done hiking. And
I think she's gonna go do hiking while I write
and stuff like that. But I don't know, man, I'm
just I'm just telling you what I was told.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
But I will know where there's a good hike. Do
you know where there's a good hike which you can
see from the media hotel from the pool because it's
actually on the mountain or right next to the mountain.
This is this has just ruined my trip that you're
doing this.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
But even with this, I have a good trip, have
a good trip to go for a three point favorite.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Will find out who plays. I mean there's still being
contracts negotiated, which again, welcome to this day and age
of college football. I think the only one that I
can say definitively I feel really, really, really good about
is Drake Lindsay playing. But that's where we get into
and I want to give you the floor and step
up to the pulpit here, mister Garden two a seven

(53:56):
and five Minnesota team didn't even and from the way
I understand it from talking to people behind the scenes,
even get a sniff of the number one preferred one
on their list this year and I can say that
without a shadow of a doubt, which was Vegas, which
went to a different seven and five team that Minnesota
also beat. And I want to get your thoughts, feelings,

(54:18):
opinions on that.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Well, first of all, I'm still I'm still going to
be rattled about this hotel choice. Like I just I'm just.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Gonna be said. I'm just gonna be tweeting you photos
every morning when I wake up like.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I've stayed downtown Phoenix. Yes, I've stayed downtown. It's fine.
I just I need a second. I think I feel
like I almost need a pause. Again. Here's what bothers me.
Here's what bothers me. Look and full disclaimer out of
the way, when you go seven and five, there should
be no complaining about anything. I understand all of that.

(54:52):
There should be no complaining you. I think you do
in a way forfeit the right to complain. But what's
bothered me about this entire thing is the resignation for
the last month that this is probably where they were
going to go. And by the way, we had a
great time at this bowl last time, right, this is
a fun this was a fun one. Arizona's cool that

(55:13):
the crowd was good. Even if you're staying downtown, it's
a nice place. It's good. Everything's fine there. I'm never
gonna let it go. I'm never gonna let it go.
I just can't even believe this. It's it's literally the
greatest media hotel setup we've ever had, and like for
you to not forcefully take advantage of My kids are pissed.
They're not going because of that, and we only stayed

(55:34):
there for one night because of the media thing. But anyway,
where was I the resignation that, well, Nebraska's going to
go to Vegas? The just the the understanding that Nebraska
just had Vegas locked up almost no matter what happened,
even if the Gophers won another game. I think that

(55:54):
was the prevailing thought. And I just can't wrap my
head around because it's not nineteen ninety the game, the
ticket sales are going to be the ticket sales, the
viewership is going to be the viewership. Again, I get it,
I'm complaining about the Rate Bowl to the Vegas Bowl,
but if it happens here, it happens at the top too.

(56:16):
And Schip, you remember that from the may stays. And
they've changed the rules so that it's not supposed to
happen as much. And it's just again, I know we're
splitting hairs, but that there was no chance, no debate,
no discussion, no nothing that Well, yeah, Nebraska is just
going to go to Vegas. And I would say why

(56:39):
because they've lost their last three games by a million,
because they're starting quarterbacks hurt, because they're running back is
probably not going to play. I think he may have
even already opted out. He declared for the draft right
Minnesota's own because they travel well to bowl games, they don't.
Did you know the first bowl game that they'd win

(57:00):
to in eight years the Pin Stripe Bowl last year
against Boston College. Did you know the attendance for that
game was lower than when the Gophers went to the
pin Stripe Bowl just a year before. Now, again, I'm
not flexing on Pin Stripe Bowl attendance. I'm not criticizing
Nebraska fans for not going, just like I wouldn't criticize
Gopher fans. But I just I have so much baggage,

(57:20):
even from the Nashville guy Burnsey, as you know that
they've just never looked at Minnesota because of things from
thirty years ago. It just It's frustrating to me because
and again, it doesn't really affect me one way or
the other. Right, like, I'm going to the game probably
the day before. I'm gonna do the game, and I'm
gonna come home, and then I'm gonna do women's basketball
in Indiana two days later. But it just bothers me

(57:43):
for the fans that just because people look good at
link Rail Stadium and it's full every Saturday, they think
that all of a sudden, they can just they're gonna
PLoP that into all these places when it's just factually
not true. It's just and now they're going to play
Utah with nobody. Read their twenty four to seven message board.

(58:04):
I have no one's going to that game. The same
conversations that are had here in Minnesota. It's too expensive
to go to Phoenix this time of the year. It's
really they're saying they're having them there. It's like flights
to Vegas are crazy, hotels on New Year's are crazy.
That's just what bothers me. Is Like, again, I understand

(58:25):
this is insane that it bothers me this much because
we're talking about the Rate Bowl versus the Vegas Ball.
But I just don't like the resignation. This is from
people to school too, by the way that it's just
this is just how it is. This is just how
it even though Nebraska sucked forever, even though they've been
in the preseason top twenty five for the last fifty years,
and it was the easiest call of all time that

(58:46):
they were gonna be ranked when they came into Huntington
Banks Stadium. To me, it's the Saint Louis is a
good a great baseball town. Like it just sounds good
to say, and I'm sure it's a great baseball town,
but is it like the greatest town of all time?
I don't don't know it. It's just an easy water
cooler thing to say, is, yeah, we can't wait to
have Nebraska. Their fans show up, they travel, it's awesome.
They're always super pumped. No they're not, No, they're not.

(59:07):
They finally went to a bowl game a year ago,
and you know, a handful of people went. It was
the lowest attended Pinstripe Bowl in a long time. And
that's saying something because it's cold in New York and
people don't love to go that, So that's saying something
to lower the bar for pin Stripe Bowl appearances, and
the conversation last year was just too expensive to go
to New York. So I'm not even criticizing that they
don't go. But what bothers me is that there's a

(59:29):
perception that they are so far above and beyond everything else,
and that everybody just knew the Saturday that the Gophers
were playing Wisconsin. They're just going to go to Vegas,
irrelevant of what happened on the field that day, or
what happened on the field here, or that the Gophers
have the same right. It's just so that's what bothers
me because I think it penalizes the fans, and I

(59:50):
don't because overevel now we've talked about it for two
years and I just hate I hate laziness with no
research and no underst standing, and that it's people that
run these bulls operate that way and that we just
take it frustrates me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Ship thought you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Well, it's interesting because uh, perceptions are hard to change.
And you know, a lot of times I hear about
the Music City Bowl, Oh, the Gophers have been there
a lot. Well, not in the last two decades have
they gone into twenty years. I mean, it's like that
was twenty years ago that we went a couple times

(01:00:32):
in a row. The same reason that whenever Nebraska wins
a game, guards your complaints that they'll be ranked or
over ranked.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
It's just by the way the Gopher basketball team beating Indiana,
I think that's going to drop the Hoosiers down in
next year's top twenty five pole. I think I don't
think they're going to be I don't think they're going
to be out of it, but I don't I think
they're probably going to be twenty three or twenty four
now instead of seventeen next March when they do the
preseason polls.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Well, I I've always long contended that these Bowl reps
are my age or older that have this perception of
tom Osborne and Nebraska. And we see the home games
and the fans are in there and it's sellouts, and
they've had the sellout streak, and so you make assumptions, Well,
they make assumptions assumptions about Gophers don't travel. Well, that's

(01:01:22):
been disputed, that's been dispelled.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
For probably, Well, I'll go back to kill Citrus Bowl.
Remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yes, that's when it stopped. That's when it stopped. That's
that's when that season changed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
It exactly. And go down the list of the non
conference Colorado, wherever you want to. North Carolina Gopher fans
have traveled and so but perceptions are hard to change
because it's just they're ingrained. And you're right, I mean, okay,
we're squabbling about mid tier bowls or you know, these

(01:02:02):
bulls and where. But to me, it's it's more than that.
It's more about the perception and more about how you
where you think you belong, and in standing up for
for what you think you've how far you've come, you know,
to me, that's more than the actual Bowl game, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
And that's why I'm doing it. That's why I feel
because I understand how stupid it might sound to some people,
but I and what really, what really set me off
was the last time we were in Arizona. And I
can't I want to be careful what I say about this,
but I spoke with someone affiliated with the Bowl at
some point, you know, between the when we were on

(01:02:41):
when we were there, I can't remember exactly when it was,
and this person said they were thrilled to get they
were thrilled to get Minnesota. They didn't think they had
a chance at Minnesota. And what this individual said to
me was, we thought they were going to go to Nashville,
but then it turns out they had been to Nashville recently,
like the This is what someone with the bull said

(01:03:03):
to me. And I said, well, no, we haven't been
in Nashville, like since two thousand and four, two thousand
and five, whenever it was, you know, no later than
two thousand and six. And the person with the bull said, huh,
well that's not we'd heard from someone in Nashville that
they had just been there recently. And like I feel

(01:03:24):
like people should know that. Like I feel like people
should know that because we have these calls every week.
I talked to Mark Coyle the whole month of November
about the Bowl calls, and, like you said, why are
we doing the TV show for the playoff? If they're
just gonna do whatever they want to do at the end,
why are we doing these Bowl calls every Monday to
recap the weekend? If we if we have people in

(01:03:45):
charge of the bulls, in charge of them that don't
know who's been where, that don't even know who's been
in their own bowl in the case of Nashville. Like
and again, I understand to a sane person that this
this shouldn't bother me as much as it does, But
it does bother me because I do. I I feel

(01:04:07):
for the fans because the whole point of changing all
this stuff a few years ago, so you wouldn't have
repeat stuff. Gophers were just in Phoenix. When was that
three years ago? Right? It was Phoenix, pinstripe Charlotte. I
think that, yeah, four years ago, look hear me, and
so and again it's a fun Like I don't want
to I don't want to squash any enthusiasm that people

(01:04:28):
have for doing this, because Phoenix is great. Phoenix is fun.
They've got a great media hotel. If you have an
opportunity to stay at the media hotel, you should absolutely
take paid.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Are you getting paid specific hotel?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
But it just frustrates me that that is, like you said, Chip,
the perception and just the resignation. Like even after Nebraska
lost to Iowa, I was reading some stuff out there
and their columnists are going and now now Nebraska tumbles
down to the Las Vegas Bowl like they all knew it.
Like everybody just knew that this was the situation, and

(01:05:00):
I just don't think it's right. And I remember Mace
complaining about it twenty years ago, saying, it's not fair
to the kids, it's not fair to the team, it's
certainly not fair to the fans. And I feel like
no one's doing again, no one wants to take this
up because it is silly in the and I understand that,
but it also again, we're asking people to pay, we're
asking people to go, we're asking people to invest in

(01:05:22):
these things, and people have at Minnesota, and I'm talking
about the fans, and I just feel like they should
feel like they're getting a fair shake when just this
perception because Memorial Stadium has been sold out since the
Bob Devaney era, we think that those which by the way,
they had to fix that too, you know, by you know,
doing you know, by having boosters buy thousands of tickets

(01:05:43):
when they really sucked. So that's even stupid. So it's
just like that just bothers me. It just bothers me,
and and I just the the featist attitude the whole
time of this is how it's going to go, regardless
of what happens on the field. I just don't think
it's right. And and what bothers me about it as
people that are running these bulls making good salaries don't

(01:06:05):
know these things or don't care about these things and
just go, oh, Nebraska, Yeah, sure, Vegas, they'll travel. That'd
be great. We can get Nebraska without a quarterback, without
a running back, with a new defensive coordinator. Let's bring them.
What could possibly go wrong? Anyway? I didn't intend to
get that heated, but it's just the Nashville conversation is

(01:06:25):
really what got this whole thing going, because this happened
ten years ago too, when Nebraska was more consistently going
to bulls. It was just, yep, Nebraska's going to go,
even though Jerry Kill's team had beaten them at the time,
like it was just a foregone conclusion that this was
what was going to happen. And it's frustrating because they
don't deserve it. They don't deserve it, they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I think the interesting hypothetical would be if Minnesota could
have made a field goal, or if Minnesota could have
gotten a stop against Northwestern, would.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Any of this changed? And I don't know that it
would have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
That's what I was going to say, is I still
think Nashville would have taken Illinois because of the preseason
expectations for that team and their location compared to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
And I get that, I understand, and they haven't been
there a lot they I get that totally.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Or I still even think the Pinstripe Bowl would have
still taken Penn State because of their location and their helmet,
which then would have put us into the discussion of
what we just had of seven and five Nebraska versus
eight and four Minnesota. And I still think, I do
that the Vegas bull would have still chosen Nebraska. And

(01:07:33):
it's just it's annoying to be on the short end
of it too many of these times, is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Well, that happened when I was on a beat, I
think that happened a couple times where they got leap
frog by somebody with the worst record, and that's where
the you know, that's where Mace really got annoyed, where
like you should have. I can't remember, was it the
Sun Bowl one year, maybe the Music City Bowl. I
can't remember the whole thing. I remember they got leap

(01:08:03):
frogged a couple of times, and that's where he was,
you know, more vocal about it. But yeah, I mean
I I I understand all you're saying. At least it's
warm guardsy, at least it's you know, at least it's
a good get.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Well, here's the thing. Back then, it was more about
because the other thing that's changed is ticket sales are
not as important to bulls anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
No, it's it's it's you know, what ball games are.
They're programming for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Esp exactly, that's what they exactly. But that I think
goes into my point. It's like we shouldn't be worrying
about fan travel even though fan travel is equal to
Bowl games right now with Minnesota, Nebraska just is look
at the numbers. They've been to one Bowl in ten years.
So you can't really compare apples to apples. You have
to go back ten years ago. Like the ticket sales

(01:08:53):
was a huge deal back in the maystays, and you
know when Iowa jumps them, like back then, it made
sense right as frustrating as you understood it more. But
they changed it to eliminate some of that stuff, and
it just still seems like it's happening too much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, I think the ticket sales are important in the
fact that these bulls are tied into their city in
terms of hotels, restaurants, those things, like they want to
be able to get more occupancy in their hotels, they
want restaurants, you know. So I think it I don't
think it's yes, they want people in the stands. Obviously
you make money that way, but I also think there's

(01:09:28):
a civic part of that too that they can because
you know, these you go to these bulls that have
all these relationships with their city and they want you know,
they want it to be they show off their city
and they and all that. But it's let's be honest,
it's programming for ESPN that football games are, you know,
to have something on in the holidays when people are
shopping her out at bars or restaurants to watch her
at home. That's the crux of this. So it's it's

(01:09:52):
it should be more about record and resume and all that.
But again, if it's if the if the argument is
or a big part of the argument is Minnesota doesn't travel,
I don't know what more evidence they need to dispute that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, they shouldn't need anymore they should need This game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Is uh is in the afternoon and not at like
nine to thirty pm Central Time like it was four
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
I mean you guess how many people last year watched
the rateful? Now again, it's the day after Christmas. Everybody's home,
there's nothing on TV. You're just sitting there watching.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
But do you want to guess how many people watching
the I think it was Kansas States and Rutgers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
I'm gonna say at least three million, Schipper.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I don't even know what an average game that's. I
don't even know. I'm terribout rating, so I don't even
know it would be good, better, indifferent.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Three point five million people watched Rutgers versus Kansas State,
I think this year from Minnesota versus New Mexico in
the middle of the afternoon the day after Christmas. You're
still gonna get three to four million people to tune
into that game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yes, yes, And I'm I'll be curious, trust me. I'll
be watching the attendance for the Vegas Bowl and the
ratings for the Vegas Bowl. I'll be watching because it
just it just bothers me. It just bothers me so
much because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
The only plea is they don't open the roof five
minutes before the game and it's pouring, just just keep
if it's going to rain. Chip. This is my only Please,
I don't care if you've got guys who are supposed
to be skydiving into the stadium. Just keep the things
closed so we don't have that playing surface again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Guard you would you be less upset if it was
another team but other than Nebraska?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yes, by definition, yes, because of but not that much
more upset I mean because just I think to me,
it's because they be them so many times, because they've
had you know, and how just this specific example obviously,
I mean I do the joke, the top twenty five
joke every year, like there's baggage there with me there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
But you're just saying in general that the whole idea
of this well yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, but it's
disac because it's Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Now, by the way, fairness in my rant, the Citrus
Bowl year, the Gophers went there because of these new
bowl rules, Like they were eight and four that year,
and I'm not saying they didn't deserve the Citrus Bowl,
but because of how things had worked out, like they
probably should have been in Tampa that year, but I
think Iowa had just gone to the Citrus Bowl or
somebody Michigan had just gone to the Citrus Bowl, so

(01:12:37):
they couldn't. So they actually in that instance probably leveled
up one game as opposed to where they were. So
it has happened in reverse as well. Maybe I think
even the Holiday Bowl year they leveled up a little
bit from where they were at eight and four. I
don't think they fell. That was such a weird year
with the boycotts, and everybody was mad because of how

(01:12:59):
that the schedule, how they ended up losing some games
they shouldn't have. So it's happened in reverse. But just
this one, to me, Chip, it was more just that
with two weeks left to go in the season, everybody
kind of you knew the outcome. They were resigned to it. No, yeah,
no matter what happened. And that frustrates me that that
part of it frustrates me, especially because theoretically, if we

(01:13:21):
have just been to Nashville in the two thousands, then
what do we say about when we went to Phoenix,
you know, three years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Like I do find it funny, I mean, I don't
know funny word but but I heard it again, like
not too long ago. It's like, have they been to
Nashville lot, It's like, well, not really, I mean I
guess technically yes, but not recently. I mean it's been
I think so, oh three was my first year they
went to Sun Bowl. Next year they went to Music City,
and then the next year they went to Music City.
So I think oh five, right, was that the last time?

(01:13:50):
Was that the Virginia game? Because it was been Sunbull
Oregon and then was a Arkansas Music City and then Virginia.
Oh five, was that right? I think that's what it was. Yeah,
So I'm pretty sure that was the order memories.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I'm trying. I'm trying to fight the fight. I'm trying
to fight the fight. You know, Burnsy, I know you're
with me. I know you're with me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
It's just it's sad that we just get resigned to
even if they would have won Northwestern, that they'd still
be in this Bowl. And it's just like you would
have had the argument to be in the same discussion
as again Illinois and Iowan, maybe things would have gone different.
But I just think we've seen this story too many
times to think the ending is going to be any different.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
This is the twenty year anniversary of the last time
the Gophers have been to the Music City Bowl two
thousand and five. They lost to Virginia thirty four to
thirty one. I think Lawrence Maroni, Lawrence Maroney said on
the field, I'm heading to the NFL. If I remember right,
it took him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Like ten seconds after the game to announce. He was
declared yeah. And if you remember, I remember distinctly, that
was the week where the coaches contracts were going to
be up, and there is debate whether they were gonna
resign Mace and his contract, and we didn't know is
this gonna be the last game they were coaching? Remember
they coached the game. It was just terrible game. Go
home the next day and that's when they give Mace

(01:15:07):
to extension the very next day after they were home,
That's right. And then that's the year I went to
That's the year I went home. Next day I left
for the Fiesta Bowl. It was Ohio State Notre Dame
because we had Laura and Iris and Mark Levore playing
in it. And then the next day I flew to
the Rose Bowl and did the Rose Bowl with Texas
and USC with Reggie Bush and Bencholl.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
What is what a week?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
That was?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Three Bowl games in a week. Oh my gosh. Can
I go back to those days?

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I love that con't get the ball. I couldn't get
you to the Chiplaine Bowl two years ago. Four. No,
it's unfortunate, all right. Anything else you guys want to
get to before we sign off? Here? We went, We
went deep again on some things I didn't intend to.
But we've got time to get into some other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah, we got Heisman talk next week. We get a
bunch of other things. I do want to say before
we got out of here. For those of you who
do have a dog, I lost my my.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
But if you got a dog and you're listening to
this and the honor of my guy Diesel, if you
don't mind going home or when you see them next
giving them a couple of dad pats and telling them
they're a good boy. So that's all I got before
we get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Well, I mean, I was gonna make a bunch of
jokes now at the end, and now it's you know,
not really fitting, you know, not really fitting JW. Marriott Camelback.
I can't bring that up again. I do want to
have to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Take a photo of when she goes hiking on Christmas
Eve while we're doing media stuff and send it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
She might. I do want to add, by the way,
Army navies this weekend, and if you can't sit down
the hole and watch the whole game, watch the open
that they do on CBS, because they always do something
really unique to kind of set the stage in the
scene for why the game is important. A lot of
times it involves parents, and I'll watch. If ever I'm

(01:16:57):
just like around, I'll just start youtubing them from like
the last ten years and then I'll just behave crying
by myself.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Just water works coming out of your eyes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
But as a guy who's been to six or seven
of them, I want to say we were lucky that
we were part of the Radio row stuff with USAA
when they kind of re emphasized this game and try
to give it the importance that it deserves because it
used to be, you know, kind of by itself, and
you know, CBS the whole bit. Well, now every game's
on TV, right, so they've done a million things to

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put more spotlight on it, including bringing it to you know,
bringing it to their own weekend on CBS with nothing
around it, and it's People always say it's on your
bucket list, their bucket list, and I say it should be,
and make sure you get there one time and spend
a couple of days in the town because to me,
the build up to it is almost better than the game.

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Like just be around the city, especially if it's in Philadelphia,
and just watch and just be around and you'll feel better.
You feel better about where we're going as a country
in general, Like everything feels crazy and chaotic all the time.
Right then you go there and you're like, we'll be good,

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Like we got hand people like you see the people
that are in the Army now or the Navy now
or retired or whatever, and you you but then you
you learn some of the stories about the players that
are playing and where they come from and what they're doing,
and you're like, yeah, we'll be good, Like we'll figure
it out these if these are the people protecting us.
And the best, the best line I heard was the

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late John Feinstein, who wrote a great book of Civil
War about Army Navy and went to every Army Navy game.
He said, every person on the field on Saturday has
signed up to die for the country. That's what they've
signed up for. And as he says, they don't want to,
they'd rather not, but they've signed up for it, and
so I think it's it to me. It's worth everybody's time. Yeah,

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And we've all got stuff going on on Saturdays, we all.
I get it, it's a busy time of year. But
try to find a minute or two, certainly to watch
the open and then you'll be by the way. The
football has been good the last ten years too, Like
both teams have been pretty consistent. Jeff Munkin's done a
great job there. Like I when we first started going,
they hadn't won in like over a decade, and we
were there when they won it, and it was one
of the top five moments ever to be on the field.

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Oh good for me. When Monkin rolls down to the
cadets and goes crazy at the end of it. It's
just like I get goosebumps even just thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
How cool you talk about it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
As long as I've been in college football, that is
number one on my bucket lists. And I hope before
I die I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Get to go to a game it should be. Have
Amy get in your delta app Yeah, you get your
flight because it is. I say when people say that,
I go, it should be and I think you'll love it.
And it's just it's it's really cool. It's really cool,
and it's to be. We talk about this with Gopher
rivalry games to be it's part of something that's been

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going on for one hundred and thirty years. You know
that you can read the program and that's a program
you should get too. And I have like ten of
them somewhere and they have a little synopsis about every
game that's ever been played between the two service academies,
you know. And they used to do it home and
home and then they put it in It was in
Philly and then it's been DC and they've moved it
around a little bit. But and then obviously when there

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was a war, they couldn't do it, and there was
a couple of times where the academies were pissed at
each other and they couldn't do it. Like there's still
some real college football stuff in there, like pettiness. Yeah,
but to just leave through and you know all the
presidents that have been at the games and it's just
I can't say enough about it, and I hope people,
I hope people take a minute to watch it or

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at least be aware of it. And if you can go,
if you can make it, you will not be disappointed.
You will not be disappointed. So that's my speech. That's
my speech. Sorry about your dog.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yeah, hey man, that was a heck of a run
down there. Hell yeah, man, Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I'm sorry about your dog. I'm sorry about downtown Phoenix,
and I'll see it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Horrible time in Phoenix. Golly, I can't wait. By the way,
do you think'll be a place open, because when are
you getting down? Are you getting down to Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I don't know that yet. It's it's to be determined.
It's too open in the Phoenix area that before downtown.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Excuse me. On Christmas, I should say. We'll figure that out.
Everybody can come. Tell Guardsy how nice he looks with
his Are you gonna be wearing that flannel you were
out in Eugene wearing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Maybe we'll see what the temperatures are in late December
and Phoenix. I'm not exactly sure, not exactly sure. Uh,
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