Pair and a Spare Podcast 2025, Week 16 Review: Michigan Mess, Drake Lindsay, Heisman Trophy

Chip Scoggins, Ryan Burns and Justin Gaard are back to react to the latest mess at Michigan with Sherrone Moore fired (and charged with crimes). Where does Michigan go from here? Drake Lindsay announced he will be back with the Gophers next season, what's the Gophers next move to build around him? The guys finish the show discussing their Heisman votes.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University
of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a Spare.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thank you PJ. It is time for another edition of
the Pair and a Spare podcast. I'm justin Guard from
KFA N. We've got Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated and
from football across Minnesota. This might be his flu game,
Chip Scottgins the Minnesota Star Tribune. We are presented as
always by our great partners at Jack's Cafe, making reservations
at Jaxcafe dot com, and who knows.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
If you go to Jacks you.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Might see Glenn Mason, Greg Eslinger, Mike cheryls, Adam Weber,
and Steve Davis, all kinds of goal for a lums.
Adam Weber tweeted out a picture. I don't know if
you guys saw it, Big Greg Eslinger celebration dinner with
our guy Mace there and I would recognize that to
core anywhere Jack's Cafe, the location, where else would it be?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
That is awesome? That is awesome and congress to Greg.
I know he had a pretty good contingent down in
Vegas two for the ceremony. I saw some pictures from there.
Bubba Brinkhaus was there and Mike Cheryl's I think we're there,
but yep, just pe PGI Yeah, PJ was there. Just
a great, uh competitor, like one of the toughest competitors

(01:09):
I've ever covered. I mean, he just played so hard
but also just a really really good guy and great
ambassador for the program. And happy for him to he's
getting his dude, because three time All America atland Remington.
He deserved to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Always remarkable to me how offensive lineman can shed weight
the way that they do, because he looks like to
go do a strong man competition.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It's so frustrating. Yeah, well, so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You remember back, Yeah, if you remember me, he wasn't
obviously this small, but he was not a big offensive
line and his his specialty was getting out and pulling
and running and you would see him twenty yards downfield
trying to chop guys out so Maroni or Barber can
get you know, a big game. He just I mean,
that guy played so hard and what a line when
you had him and Cederstrom and Bubba Brinkhause and Melander

(01:58):
and and those guys, and then he had maps. They
blocking that was there's a reason. I mean, those backs
were great, but those offensive lines were really really special.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, that was good, good stuff. Daniel House wrote a
good piece on Gophers guru dot com. He was down
there and yeah, wrote a really good piece. So I
would recommend our guy reading House. And he looked good
in his suit. Because everybody's got a dress up. Looks
like it's a party I would not want to go
to because you have to take it up a notch,
even from like a suit, which of course the head
coach has no problem with. PJ looks good. Bob Stein,

(02:29):
my guy was there too. He's a college football Hall
of Famer.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So it was cool.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It seems like it seems like a fun time. I
could do the vegas. I don't know if I could
do the outfits.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Uh, unfortunately two thousands of vikings Lore was there and
Jim Kleinshaus.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
He's a hall of famer too. Yeah, you're right, good
call North to Cota stand up?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah? Yeah. I covered Jimmy's career as the beat writer.
Great guy, always funny. Yeah, I mean, and uh from St.
John's Yeah, Blake Elk So we had three kind of
Minnesota ties to the College of Football Hall of Fame
this year.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're a football hoped. We always happened.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Burnsy tries to tell us every year there's not a
bunch of players that come out and you better get
to two that are worth something. And I say, I
think there's more players. That's why you're going football across
Minnesota exactly. You recognize that there's more players and more
stories than Burnsy does. So, yeah, you really do.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'm always news.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
There was one more thing I wanted to say about
that Hall of Fame. Blake Elliott client Saucer. Oh, I
went ice fishing with Jim Clinsaucer and Brainerd one day
for a KFA and event awesome. Yeah, it was, by
the way, the only time I've ever been ice fishing.
We did the show. We did the show from a
fish house, I assume. I assume on Gull Lake. I
think we were staying at Grandview. It was somehow Pa

(03:51):
and Do Bay back when I was producing for them.
Really we would do yeah, we would do that. We
used to do cool stuff all the time. I don't
know what happened to the cool stuff. We used to
do cool stuff all the time. And one of those
was some type of ice fishing trip. I think I
assume some listeners were there. Maybe we were promoting something,
but I just remember, yeah, going out and Jim Kleinsauser
was part of it, and so we just sat there

(04:13):
and ice fished and.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
You got Jimmy and his element. I'm sure he loved that.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, that was the cool thing, is like, and you know,
you know Tom West the ship and Bernsy might too,
but like he knows all the the guys that'd be
interested in the outdoors, right, So sure that was a
pretty easy call if I remember correctly. And even if
klein Sauser didn't like ice fishing, he looks like he
would like ice fishing. It looks like he doesn't even
need like a motorized auger. He could just grab like

(04:40):
a pick and an axe and just chop it away
and get the hole in the ice on himself.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Augur, Right, Burnsy, I got it.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, you're an elite outdoors mind, what time do you
join Saturday morning with my two favorite gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Captain Billy Hildebrand and Bob Saint Pierre. I'm right after
tackle Terry too. I'm right after tackle Terry. Tuma all right,
there's so much to talk about. There is so much
to talk about. Speaking to Mace Glenn Mason was actually
in our studio at Kfan about twenty minutes after the
bombshell Michigan news last Wednesday that Sharon Moore, a man

(05:18):
who once cried on the field at Penn State after
the Wolverines beat the Nitney Lions, like Jim Harbaugh, was
recovering from some terminal illness in a hospital other than
just sitting in the Sheraton in State College because he
had been suspended for cheating, has been let go. He
has been dismissed. If you're a college football fan, this
is not news to you. We're catching it a little
late because we'd already recorded for last week. But I

(05:39):
think everybody knows the particulars. I think everybody knows the situation.
He was fired for a cause, inappropriate relationship with the staffer.
A lot of information about that. He's currently in jail
because he had an epic meltdown, and you can read
all about that too. What do we think, what's the reaction?
Let's start there. Burnsey on the latest and I say

(06:02):
the latest at Michigan it is.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I mean, you think every time we come on here,
there's not something that college football can do that makes
you think of real housewives of Salt Lake City. And
now we have a big ten a blue blood head
coach being charged with home invasion, stalking and breaking and entering,
and it, I mean, honesty, goodness, it is an incredibly

(06:27):
sad situation for him the way that it again, with
all the particulars that have gone around it. He gets arrested,
gets put in a psych hold like this is not
great for him, and I feel for him to an extent,
but he's also the one that put himself in this
position where yet another head coach gets involved with someone
he shouldn't be as a man who's married with three kids,

(06:52):
and sounds like this whole thing had been brewing for
quite some time now. I'm not exactly sure how Ward
Manual is still the athletic director the University of Michigan
right now, considering I think there was a lot of
smoke about this for a very long time. But it
is fascinating to see the way that these men because

(07:13):
he's not the first or that, and he won't be
the last to have a relationship outside of his marriage,
but to have the meltdown that he did.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
It is.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I don't know that I've ever seen something quite like this. Chip.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
No, I don't feel bad for him. I feel bad
for his wife and kids absolutely. And you know, it
sounds like Michigan is hired to outside organization group whatever
to investigate the entire department. So Ormanuel might not be
the ad when they get to the end of this
and conclude that, hey, there's been just too much negative,

(07:48):
bad publicity has happened on his watch there.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
So what's the rush on hiring the third party to
make sure that not? What's the rush the last time?
Why wait or why why hurry into this? Are you
saying there's been some things at Michigan that maybe the
athletic department has a little bit too much power, is
not run very well.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's it, man?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
What a witch hunt? What a witch hunt that things
might not be going okay?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
There?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Just very scare you. You're just not a Michigan man.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
You don't understand.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, like that was it nine? Not enough? They had
to have ten? Is that a certain number of incidences where.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
They were I said, I mean, just you know, Biff
Pogi is the interim head coach and my tweet the
day that had happened when it was he's going to
be the interim it's like, well, they have experience with
him being in charge because Sharon Moore was suspended like
eight times in the last two years. So this is
just status quo. The players shouldn't be all that effected.
They understand Biff and his you know, as the lead
voice of the program, but it's just madness there.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
From Yeah, I saw Biff did his first press thing
yesterday and I think the word he used was his.
The players still portrayed, and I, you know, I tend
to think there people were probably aware of what was
going on that relationship. Those things don't tend to be
kept quiet, and uh, you know, as they do in

(09:07):
any work environment, people talk, but it's just a mess
and it's uh, you know, you feel I do feel
bad for the players because now all of a sudden,
their world's getting you know, who's going to be the
coach And there's probably players that came there because they
wanted to play for them, right Obviously I don't know

(09:29):
if it's specifically for him, but you think you're going
to play for a certain coach and then he has
an absolute professional and personal meltdown. So I'm curious to
see where they land in terms of because if you're
a coach, I don't think you could bet on that
a D be in there sure, so that that has

(09:52):
to factor into It's still Michigan, it's still you know,
a blue blood, top whatever job. But it's it's a mess,
and so yeah, I don't have a lot of sympathy
for him the coach.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Zero. I would also say, just football wise, here guards
you before we kick it back to here, it seems
like a pretty good year to have Michigan on the
schedule next year if you're Minnesota. Same thing kind of
goes for Penn State with Matt Campbell now rebuilding. Speaking
of Matt Campbell, I do want to interject this. I
wonder if part of the reason why Matt Campbell dragged

(10:28):
his feet to an extent with the Penn State job
is maybe he knew that he wasn't going to get Michigan.
Because I will be explicitly clear when I say this,
this Sharon Moore thing had been a rumor going around
college football circles for the majority of the fall, and
if it had reached my ears. I would surely hope
Ward Manual was getting replacements lined up, as a good

(10:52):
athletic director would. So I'm wondering if Campbell was told no,
which is why he took Penn State, which is now
why maybe again, I don't know how you can hire
somebody if your Ward Manual, because why are you still there?
Because you knew about this and I think tried to
bury it to an extent. So I am going to
be fascinated who this hire is because we've seen Calen

(11:13):
Debor come out and say I'm going to be the
head coach at Alabama here, and I know that a
lot of Michigan people wanted him. So we'll see if
Jedfish or Kenny Dillingham are going to be the next
in line there. But I will note the Gophers do
have Michigan on the schedule, and I am fascinated to
see because if they do fire Ward Manual here, the

(11:34):
portal opens here in about two three weeks, and that's
the only portal window. You have to make a hire
here prior to the portal opening if you're gonna have
any semblance of a twenty twenty six roster, If you're Michigan.
Even if you are Michigan, but they got to get
somebody in there, So I'm gonna be fascinated to see
what that timeline looks like and who is actually making
the hire.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
This might be a dumb question, but you wouldn't do
an interim for a year, would you? I mean, I
mean it's not a perfect world. Yeah, I mean in
perfect world you wouldn't be. But because of the timing
and because of just the uncertainly, would you write it
out a year and then figure out where you're at?
Or is that just to no?

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I think that's a very viable option, especially if this
this investigation into ward manual in the d Michigan Athletic
Department isn't wrapped up for another week or two and
then they end up firing the ad. Well, then who
the heck's going to make this higher?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Would that? Would that kill you? In the portal though?
Would you get kids to come if you knew it
was just an interim for one year?

Speaker 4 (12:36):
I mean it depends upon if this cycle of portal
guys or like the basketball portal where they're all just
one year mercenaries. Anyway, we haven't seen that historically where
Michigan's got more money than they know what to do with,
which is why when they got hit with that what
was it a thirty million dollars fine for the whole
Connor Stallion's thing. That's just a drop in the bucket
for the University of Michigan.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It is, well, let's there's a it's not the same,
it's not precedent, but I mean theoretically, I mean the
Tracy Clay's taken over for Jerry Kill turned out to
be an interim and there was an athletic director change
in there, right because Kill retires, Clays takes over a
couple of weeks later. He gets a three year contract

(13:17):
and it basically was a one year contract because you're
not you're either getting fired at the end of it
or you're getting extended at the end of it. And
that's what I said at the time. And it gave
a little bit of stability to that season. And then
Mark Coyle comes in I think the summer that next summer,
because Beth Getz was the one that gave Tracy the

(13:38):
three year deal, and we know, so you had the
season of keeping it together and then the next ad
decides what he wants to do, because I mean, if
Pogi's been a head coach, so it's not the dumbest
thing in the world if they don't get one of
the first five candidates that they want. But the difference
between Minnesota and Michigan is it's Michigan like people will
leave their job for Michigan. And if there's even if

(14:00):
there's a little bit of uncertainty, and you know, any
Jimmy Sexton or any Jimmy Sexton disciples is going to go,
so we don't know who the ada is maybe quite yet,
or there's some uncertainty.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, nine year contract sounds fair, yea, because.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
They the good coaches have the leverage, right, especially the
ones that have the good job already and are are
stable and the ones that they're in. So it's gonna
be an interesting couple of weeks, But you're right, Burnsy,
there has to be some resolution by that by that
portal day, you would think, you would think.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
It just depends upon how quickly I think they get
this internal investigation wrapped up, which well, that'll take could
be two weeks, could be a month, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, those those things don't take weeks. They'll take months.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, I mean, they could just google Michigan athletics
from the last five years, could take minutes.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Reach seven stories.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
AI could probably put together a pretty nice synopsis about
how everybody from the president on down has been embarrassing
throughout these scan the old president because that president left,
the one that said, you know, bet Michigan or whatever.
After Harvard got's spend it. It's just been and again
that's who they want to be. That's fine. The rest
of us don't have to like it, or celebrate it
or cheer it.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't have any sympathy for any of them over there.
Once they once they allowed the Harbaugh thing to just
go and fight it like they did, you know. And
by the way, he you know, didn't have much of
a comment on this situation, Harbaugh, which is shocking to
nobody that I'm trying to process it. I'm speaking of
the things that are going to go a long time.

(15:27):
We'll never hear Jim Harbaugh say anything about this situation,
even though this is his guy, his team, his staff.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
We'll never hear it.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
My favorite, my favorite potential hire for Michigan is Harbaugh's
defensive coordinator now Jesse Minter, who is about to be
cleared from his one year show cause penalty for the
last time he was at Michigan for cheating Like that
to me is the perfect hire like just like and
people are writing this like he's a great coach, he
knows the program. It's a little tricky because he's got

(15:55):
a show cause penalty from literally the last time he
was at Michigan. Like, if that doesn't tell you about
just college sports and big business and Michigan, it just
cracks me up that, Yeah, bring him back, Go Blue,
Go Blue, I can coach again.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Is he a Michigan man, Guardsy, I.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Guess he's a Michigan man. I guess he's a Michigan man. So,
in all seriousness, you mentioned the candidates that we're hearing
a lot of names, and Kaylin de bor is saying,
you know, he's got a playoff game he's trying to
get ready for.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Kenny Dillion.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Hamm has been asked about it, Jedfish, I don't think
we've heard much from have we.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
They just played a few days.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
He's got asked about it before the LA Bowl where
they just kicked the snot out of Boise and he
gave a non answer or excuse me not a denial
is the whole thing with all these coaches, which, by
the way, that's another team, Washington that's also on the
Gopher schedule. So if Jetfish is the guy for Michigan,
that's another program. Seems like a pretty good year. Then

(16:51):
to go out to Seattle and see see what that
team looks like. Yeah, it's ah I saw. I think
the top two names that I've seen at least the
most steam about our Fish they are Dialingham. Now I
know that there's been a rumored extension being worked on
between Dillingham and Arizona State. I think Fish would go up.
I think he would walk all the way, just like

(17:13):
I think Minnesota's own head coach would row his way
to ann Arbor if he needed to.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Now, I don't think it gets to PJ on that list.
But again, I think if you're asking me right now,
I think Jetfish is probably going to be the guy.
Which who could forget that two thousand and nine season Chipper.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, yes, and I was gonna say I saw a
For what it's worth, one of those is a Bovada.
Here the odds of the coaches and fish was had
the highest odds by quite a bit on that list.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, over the weekend he moved to the heavy favorite.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I think when the debor statements came out, and who
knows what those guys know, but it's it's food for
thought for sure.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I mean speaking of Google, Google,
how many places that guy's coach that after?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
No doubt?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean it was basically one a year after he
left here from being the offense coore. Was he just
off one year here? Where was it too?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I don't anybody for two?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's right. He followed Dunbar with Mike Dunbar than him,
I believe. And yeah, I mean poor Adam Weber. You
mentioned Adam five offensive coordinators in five years or something.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
But he clearly because he went to work for him.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You went to work for him. Yeah, yeah, so I yeah,
I don't know what what would be a good hire,
bad high for them? At this point. It's Michigan, You're right,
I mean, it's it's not like this is just another job.
It's Michigan. Even all the termol everything is going on,
uncertainty with you know, the A D and everything. It's Michigan,

(18:49):
and there's always you know, that's that's an attraction in itself. So,
but I would imagine you're right with the timeline of
the portal. If I'm the coach taking a job, I
want to be I want to be in that office
before it, when that portal opens, and not you know afterwards.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Well, the other part of this too is it's not
even Michigan necessarily, it's the whole Penn State thing that
got so many guys that maybe Michigan would be looking
at extensions, guys like Clark Lee out at Vanderbilt or
the Missouri head coach, like so many of these guys
were be like, yeah, that'd be a pretty good hire
for them. They just had their terms reset, they just
signed extensions. And that's not to say Michigan doesn't have

(19:29):
the money to go get them or make it very
enticing for them to leave at that same point. But
because this is so late in the game, I think
that's why you're seeing the candidate pool being talked about
the way that it is.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Is.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I mean, Penn State had their pick of whoever they wanted,
and they were able to get a lot of different
head coaches, how life changing, life changing money for their family,
their families, family, their families, families, families, families, families. But
that's the whole thing with the time this and that's
where I'm going to be fascinated to see is because

(20:04):
of the ad, because of the internal investigation. Because where
you are in bull season now and signing days already
coming gone, We've seen some Michigan guys already elect to
get out of their their national letter of intent. Sir,
what happens with Bryce Underwood at Michigan Again, that they
paid a lot of money for Bryce Underwood, that the

(20:27):
five star quarterback who started for them as a true freshman,
had some ups, had some downs, but obviously very very gifted.
I don't know what. Again, this thing is just going
to continue to spin for Michigan. But the longer it
goes on, the more I'm getting a little bit suspicious
that they're going to have the ability to have, say,
a blue blood caliber team because there's only one portal window.

(20:51):
It's from January second, and then when midnight strikes for
Cinderella on January the eighteenth, is closed for new entrance
for everybody, for everybody. So it's how do you figure
out how to get that roster where it needs to
be now again, they've got a good roster. They won

(21:13):
eight nine where they win nine games this year.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, and they're pretty young too, it seems like from
what I've heard.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
But it's trying to figure out how many of those
guys are we going to be able to retain with
the new staff. Who is the new staff bringing in.
There's a lot of things and dominoes that have to fall,
And the longer that you just continue to kick this
can down the road, even for a blue blood like Michigan,
the more complicated it gets.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
All Right, So who's it going to be? Who's the prediction.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
I'm saying Fish, I'll say dilling Him. Really, I think
there's some some leverage trying to be again, if I'm
dealing him, I'm trying to get out of Arizona State
to go to Michigan. If i'm him, Yeah, to have
that amount of resources.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yep. Again.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
If I'm you, Guardsian and you just asked us, we
took one, took Fish when took Dillingham. If I'm you,
I'm taking the field. And I don't even know who
the field would be at this point, But I just
don't even know what to quite expect for the way
that this thing has unfolded to begin with, where the
amount of twists and turns, just even with the shron
Moore thing, do we Here's what I'll ask you in

(22:17):
return before you give your answer. Is Ward Manual going
to be the one making the higher.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I think so, Chipper, I think you will because I
think that investigation those things do not they take so long.
I think you you know, look, he survived a lot
of other things. Yeah, but I do think if if
the investigation comes like hey they have a climate of
out of control and they need different leadership, you're not

(22:48):
getting that in the next two weeks. I don't think
these investigations take a long time.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, that's what's gonna pickards. Well, here's the thing. If
they wanted it to be fished, that could be done
right now. So I know they're trying to just get
themselves stable and settled. And I think on three had
a report of like six coaches that they'd apparently talked
to or were interested in. I know two four seven
has had the same thing. So I I would bet

(23:18):
they want Dillingham before Fish. That would be my guess.
That would be my guess and they're trying to figure
out what's going on there if they can convince young
Kenny to go up to Michigan. Because even though the
weather's nice in Arizona State, I mean it's he even
saw it a little bit this year. It's hard to
do it over and over at these places that are
not used to doing it. You know, they were giving

(23:38):
away tickets for their opener this year, right, and it
was his idea, and he said, this is what you
have to do when you're building a program. This is
what we do. Like they're not giving away tickets at
Michigan very often. They were in the Brady hook Are
I think, or late in the rich Rod where you know,
you could go to your local grocery store in ann
Arbor and pick up a couple of tickets if you
bought a bag of chips. But they're not they're not

(24:00):
doing that very often. So I would think Dillingham is
probably their first choice. I would think Fish is going
to be right there. And then it does get weird.
Then it does get weird. And you mentioned Pj's name.
If I'm PJ, I'm absolutely pursuing this job. I'm calling
and going hey like like like Bill Garon when they
called for Quinn Hughes, right, the assistant says, hey, we

(24:22):
should call about Quinn Hughes, like, apparently he's available, let's see,
And even the first phone call, the GM for Vancouver said, well,
I don't like your chances, but yeah, give us an offer. Well,
guess what, I'm going to the wild game tonight and
Quinn Hughes is wearing number forty three for the home team.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Like because I mean, it would, it'd make it.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
And honestly, Pj's the type of coach they should want there,
the guy who's gonna come in and, you know, tighten
things up and run a clean program and do all
of that. So I'm not saying it's likely those same
odds Burnsy you said or Chip you said as him
as like.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
The twelfth favorite.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
But I'm just I wonder how many no's have to
be had before Gopher Finn should be nervous about it,
because that's a I mean, it makes a lot of
sense for me.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Sorry, That's where I wonder if how many times how
many knows what they hear before they say, you know what,
let's just let Biff coaching for this year and we'll
figure this out next.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Sure too, that's what yeah, I mean, that's where I think.
That's where my mind goes, the same place Chips is
is if Fish in Dillingham say no at that point,
just Keith Biff, try to keep your roster and then
you'll have an entire offseason to figure it out with
an athletic director who actually can have the power to
make the higher.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Then you could see, I mean this, you could say
this is May's not gold this or that I'm holding
on YouTube. You know this if you look at it
in the right light. I don't think you can do
blue because it's too hard to autograph. But May's this
could be May's. I don't know, not exactly. Sure, all right,
let's pause quickly and then we'll talk about some Gopher

(25:56):
stuff on the other side. Speaking of dominoes falling, some
big ones fell for Go for Football, including one big
one that we'll talk about. But first let's talk about
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It's an amazing time. If you have kids, they will
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there's balloons they've usually got like Rudolph the Red Nose
Reindeer or something playing on a projection screen. And of
course the big guy Santa's there taking pictures with everybody.
So Jackscafe dot com if you want a great family outing,
but Burnsey. If you don't have kids or don't want

(26:40):
to hang out with your kids, there's also great opportunities
at Jack's Cafe again.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I was just there a couple of weeks ago, took
a couple of lovely friends with me, had an outstanding
little kind of double date night. I know Chipper was
just out there with his lovely wife, and it is
an outstanding on beyond whatever type of drink, whatever type
of food you're looking for, from steaks to burgers to
I know that somebody would I was with got the

(27:06):
prime ribs, she said, the best prime ribs she's ever had.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I could eat that right now at eight forty six
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
But it is the season where everybody might be getting
coming into a little bit of a Christmas bonus. Or
you're looking at your significant other thinking it's been too long. Well,
I can assure you Jack's Cafe, and we can think
we talk about it every week, but proove us wrong.
Go there, take your significant other, or go to breakfast
with Santa on Sunday. Take the kids, have an outstanding time,

(27:34):
and do something that Chip loves to do, which is
make memories.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Unmute yourself, Chip, you're coughing all over the place.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Sorry, Yeah, I had had myself used because I was confident.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Welcome to twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's right. Everyone used to do that during COVID. You're muted.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
You got Yeah, that's why I knew exactly what was
going on.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, my wife got the prime rib, but we went
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Guards.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
You nailed it like you could have that for breath.
It was so good. Oh my gosh. I was just
looking at the Adam Weber photo. Weber's rocking the stash now.
But how about the match the matchbooks on the table,
I'm sure it was like something Hall of Fame for
uh for for a slinger there that Bill does a
good job. Like when I was coming he texted me.
You know, he said, are you guys celebrating anything specially.

(28:19):
I'm like, no, we're just coming because he's gonna make
us matchbook covers for our special occasion. What is just
classy touch that they do. That's the old school, that's
personal and it's just first class. So take your take
your significant other, your wife, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, your
if you have a holiday party group outing for Christmas,

(28:41):
that's the spot to go to right there.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Make your reservations at jackscafe dot com, j a xcafe
dot com. Drake Lindsay is back on the Go Goper
podcast with the voice of the Gophers, Mike Grim. How
about Grim or getting a little scoopage burns. I'm sure
you love that. I'm sure, I said the next thing.
I know you can still get players right now. But

(29:03):
he is Mike Grim. That's what makes him so amazing.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
He's the voice of the Golphers and Drinks said, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Three things. Mike Grim is good for getting scoops like that,
learning how to as he's sitting behind me before the
Wisconsin game watching YouTube videos of how to spatchcock a turkey,
and then going out and implementing it and sending me
a photo and then talking to me about obscure eighties
hair metal bands that he goes and sees at these

(29:30):
little places. He is an eclectic man. Your wife and
crime there.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, he's a unique individuals a unique individual.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
I'm just going to say that.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
But that's good news for Gopher fans and not surprising
at least to me. Now, as we said all season long,
is twenty twenty five. Nothing should ever surprise you in
college sports. But I mean, I could throw to a
clip right now of the rant I went on in
like mid October where it was just that he's leaving
and I could be able to pay him. He's playing

(30:01):
too good, Someone's gonna give him the bag. I just
thought that was nonsense at the time. People may have
gleaned that from my comments at the time. And he
even said like I haven't even really thought about going
anywhere else. I think that was the quote with grim,
like never really thought about it. This is where I
want to be. I like it here. I feel like
I'm being prepared for the next level well here, and
I want to take place to places if they've never

(30:23):
been so world the boat Skotu mat Go Gophers burns.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, this has actually been done.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
This got done.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I think he signed before National signing Day from the
way I understand it, which again I don't know that.
I've never seen one of these legally binding documents. Looks
like between the House settlement and Dicky Town athletes. But uh,
the way I understand it, it's Drake is very much
locked in. There's a reason why Drake signed before a

(30:51):
national signing day. Drake is going to be one of
the highest paid guys on the team. I still think
he'll probably be making below. Now, this is just me speculating,
so I don't want to see some clickbait article about
it somewhere, but I'm gonna speculate he's still probably bottom
of the half, bottom half big ten starting quarterback money.

(31:13):
But that being said, I think he's going to be
top three highest paid on the team, as he should be,
because I mean, yeah, if not the highest paid.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, I was saying number one, fine, who else? Number
One's fine?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
But it's like I think people underestimate and I know
that again, it's the number one thing I gain. We'll
make these things public if you can't even get hit
them public in the sec you're not gonna get them
public at the University of Minnesota for what.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I can't even find out what we can't even find
out if there's an ankle injury for somebody, Like, how
are we gonna find out? Or we can't we could
find out, they're not gonna tell us, right, So do
you think they're gonna tell us what the W nine's
or what W two's are looking like with ten forty's
whatever they are, or.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, we tried to, but like I've tried to Foia
at Freedom. Yeah, and there is some thing in Minnesota
state law where they don't have to report it. So
like it's my point being, it's really good that Drake
Lindsay is going to be coming back because I know
of the and you mentioned one of them that listens
to this podcast, Adam Weber was a really good quarterback here.

(32:21):
Tanner Morrigan another listener to this podcast, very good quarterback.
I think Drake's got a ceiling above both of them.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Now, it's.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Can Minnesota field an offensive line, they can find a
run game, Can they go find a portal receiver or
two that can actually come down with something called a
contested catch, which I continue to see other teams have
on Saturdays, but Drake lindsay coming back, Chip, it's very
important for this team. I'd argue it's the most important

(32:52):
building block of this twenty twenty six team. And they
were able to get him all locked up.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, and maybe this is me being naive or not
having you know, uh antenna up enough, But I never
even thought it was a question that he was coming back,
Like is this day and age now where you just
I know, used to assume. And that's because I, you know,
I tell your friends, Yeah when they beat Wisconsin, you know,

(33:19):
I wrote Drake as a column. I bet ninety percent
of the replies when I tweeted it out were because
I said they're in good hands. They're like not if
they you know, until someone comes and gives them, you know,
more money than he leaves and this and that he's gone.
It's like it never even.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Going to Michigan for the last nine years.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah. I didn't even put that in, like that qualifier
in my column that if he comes back, because I
just I know how much he values this staff, both
PJ and Greg Harbo. I think he's bought into the
culture that I didn't think could he get more money elsewhere, Sure,

(34:04):
but I didn't. We know his background, we know his families,
you know, is their financial thing. I didn't think money
was going to be a thing where he's going to
haggle over well I could get one hundred more thousand
here or what you know. I didn't think that was
going to play into it. I think PJ and that
staff should should go into the portal and sell him, Hey,

(34:29):
do you want to come play with the quarterback who
can really sling it? Like? We need receivers, like, go
get him some receivers, upgrade dead offensive line. I'm curious
what you know with family Leven. What does that say?
Is that mean Darius is back and got a lot
of money? Are those two things tied? Burnsey? But I

(34:51):
think Drake Lindsay's the absolute selling point for me if
I'm a head coach to when I go to recruiting,
when I go to the portal.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
And Drake is actively helping in the portal, which is
part of why he signed as early. Because he wants
good players to throw the ball to. He wants an
offensive line that can protect him or even like the
feme thingma edge boy is going to hit the portal
I've heard a couple of things there. I would say

(35:21):
I would expect him to probably as we sit here today,
land in the SEC. That's this is one of these
things where some of the time it is going to
be sometimes about role, sometimes about money. I think for
this specific instance, I think it's a combination of both.
It's never just one thing or another. But I do

(35:41):
think he can probably make more money in the SEC,
probably have a much maybe a bigger role, Which to
your question, Chip, I do expect Darius Taylor to to
be back. We'll get him. We'll see if we get
him tomorrow with the media, which, by the way, this
is the media gets the local media here gets Fleck
and the coordinators and apparently some players tomorrow, which that's

(36:04):
about the first time I can remember in nine years
of Fleck being here that we got a pre Bowl
not at the bull site availability following National Signing Day,
which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, are you going to complain about it now? I mean,
you've got the access you wanted, Burns, you get some plenty.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I'm just stating for the record, I found it interesting,
which is me trying to say, I wonder, I wonder
what they have to share that it was I guess
so pressing that they allowed us. I wonder if it's
just to allow some of these guys to say, hey,
like I'm coming back if that makes me so, I'm
sure Drake's gonna talk tomorrow, but it is interesting.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So yeah, the Femi one, I mean, I thought that
kid had a lot of talent skills. That's a loss,
I mean, losing hymns.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
But if your biggest loss on offense is Feme boy,
I think he did pretty good at retaining what you
need to retain.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Sure can be true.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, I mean that's a tough one because you recruit him,
your red shirt him, you invest in him. And but also,
like you said, Burnsy, if you got Darius Taylor here
and theoretically aj Turner and I mean, shoot, we saw
Grant Washington have some juice, Like you know they're going
to have a role for him at some point too.
Like I don't ever worry about the Gophers finding running backs.
I know we've gone down to Jordan Nuban before, but

(37:27):
I don't ever worry about the Gophers finding functional running
backs because we've even talked about that with Darius, right,
Like how much how much money can you throw at
Darius given he's been injured a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I know last year he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
This year he was.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Two years ago he was.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean, we've seen it in the NFL a little bit,
the deemphasizing of running backs financially, that's come back a
little bit. Sakuon Barkley's helping everybody get paid. But it's
I don't. Yeah, it's a bummer because I thought he
had I think he's a good back, you know, I
think he was only going to get better. But you can't,
like we always say, you can't always keep everybody at

(38:02):
a school like Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
No, And they to me, I mean, if Darius is
coming back, that's a great starting point because that offense
is definitely different when he's in there. Sure just got
I mean with him, it's just health. But the wide
receiver position, and I know that's going to cost some
money into portal and you're not gonna out spend schools there,
but they need to upgrade there.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
It is funny to me that your column after Wisconsin,
the comments were what the comments were.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
It just proves my point about observers.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
The observers in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, the observers the observers,
the observers, the observers, it's I'm that's gonna be my
last when whenever I die, that's gonna be my last words. Well,
because I promise you that's not happening elsewhere with a
good quarterback. It's just not where the public is saying, well,
we're gonna lose them.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, it's it's almost it's almost become a reflex.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yes, it's like it's the first thing. It's like, oh,
you know, it's lazy.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's gone. It's like, well, based on what like what
what's the other other than this is the world that
we live in with portal and money, Like there's been
no indication like none, And yes, somebody could come in
and write him a big check, but I again, I didn't.
He just Drake seems all in on this coaching stuff
in this program. And his teammates.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Yeah's another year Greg Harbow lover than Drake lindsay.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, those two are right there.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yes, if they have another year where receivers can't make
a contested catch and he's getting sacks fifty times, and yeah,
things might change.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
You might go, you know what, I'm gonna try something else,
But what and that was heard.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Of my column too. Yeah, guards, that's part of my
column too. Is like PJ, you've got to go surround
him with better infrastructure. You had you solve the biggest
question in football. You got the quarterback. Now build out
around him and give him better talent so you can
maximize his skill.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
All right, we got about fifteen minutes left because mister
is a heart out today again, so we want to
respect that. Dylan Rayola speaking at quarterbacks going into the portal.
This was you know, we saw this towards the end
of the season, right, some smoke about this. His uncle
got fired. He was the offensive line coach. Brother de
committed right from Michigan, so I think you called him

(40:19):
Timu Patrick Mahomes Burnsy earlier in the season.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
He will be looking for a new spot.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And it's interesting, like this was a big deal for
Nebraska to get him, right, like flipped from Georgia. It
was a big coup for Matt Ruhle, who you guys
know how I feel about him. This was kind of
like the one solid, solid thing, especially because they melted
down towards the end of the season, even before he
got injured. It'll be interesting to see what they do

(40:45):
now they have the resources to go try to find somebody,
as we would say.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
But well, shoot, rule just came out and said here
in the last few weeks. Yeah, money's not an issue
for us now right, Oh, can you imagine how much
money you must have to come out and say that
as a head coach?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, and also not an issue now, I mean, come on,
were we on what are the streets like K Street,
L Street, M Street, N Street?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Aren't they the letters in Lincoln? Are you sitting out
on Lincoln with a sign that says need help? I mean,
come on, give me a break. Money's not an issue now. Okay, well,
we just did someone win the powerball down there that
we're not accustomed with at Nebraska. Money's not an issue now. Goodness, gracious,
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
But I almost wonder and if that Minnesota game is
the one that got Nebraska's staff and fans to realize
he just ain't it where he's holding on the ball
way too long, taking all these sacks, making again he
does a couple of things where he flips the ball
over Joey Gurlock for a thing, or switches to his

(41:48):
left hand because again he thinks he's Timu Patrick Mahomes.
But he also is a huge part of when Nebraska
imploded in the second half. Was he held on the
ball to bleeping long took nine sacks.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, I was not impressed with them at all. I thought, yeah,
he might give you the spectacular play, but the fact
that he would hold onto the ball and hold onto
the ball and take all those sacks end up at
a blue blood, I mean, does he wind up in
a well?

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I will say regards to these comment, it has already
been reported Texas Tech is not interested, no matter what
Riola would have to do to go to the home.
But it's so I've seen Oregon might be interested if
Dante like I just I just know from watching that
game there were two second year quarterbacks that took the field.

(42:42):
I know which one I'd rather have, and I know
which one I watch all the time. I know which
one was not a five star. And I'm not saying
that Riola is not gifted. He clearly is gifted. But
a reset is needed elsewhere where. He wasn't the only
five star quarterback to hit the portal where DJ lagway
from floor. He apparently wanted to stay in the New

(43:02):
Florida staff said no, we don't want to build around you,
which that's a stance to take, which okay, but yeah,
Nebraska's gonna be Well, that's the thing with so many
of these programs, guys, it's not just Nebraska that's going
to be looking for a new quarterback. And that's the
beautiful part about Minnesota and the Drake Lindsay decision here
is sure I was going to be looking to replace Gronowski.

(43:25):
Wisconsin is going to be looking to replace xyz quarterback,
all four of them. I would tell you leading passer
Sean West, their punter when they beat a ranked team
at home. But you're gonna have a lot of teams
on the schedule or even Indiana next year who's going
to be replacing Fernando Mendoza, like the Heisman Trophy winner.

(43:48):
It is not a place for Minnesota to want to
get into a bidding war is for portal quarterbacks. But
so many of their teams or the teams that they're
going to be facing next year, are going to be
having to end a lot of their allocation two three
four million dollars trying to find poral quarterbacks, which it's
going to be an interesting I will say I am

(44:10):
fascinated to see and we get to talk about on
this podcast, which I'm excited to do. But you know,
the Riola era comes to did it ever even really
get off the ground. Let me ask you, was it
the week before they came to Minneapolis where they get
ranked talking about college football playoff? Your favorite ESPN Lincoln

(44:31):
writers are picking Nebraska to come into dinky town, Guardsy
and win fifty five to nothing.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Yeah, not to be confused with ESPN Madison saying thirty
eight to seven.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
I did get a couple of messages Guardsy from people saying,
what was Guardsy's rant about ESPN Madison. You guys never
got to it on the last episode.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, and I don't have it in me today. I
don't have it any today.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Maybe it could be one of the defeated Father It
could be one of the offseason ones. Yeah, it's just
I mean, just you can go back and find the tweets,
you know, the predictions from from both I mean, we
read the Nebraska ones when the dude was saying, we're
sniffing the Nebraska sniffing playoff. They're not going to mess
this up. It's like, I don't need to go Jim Mora.

(45:13):
But I'm like, I just can't imagine Chipskoggin's writing that
you know in his prediction column or anybody you know.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I just can't.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
And certainly thirty eight to seven on the road with
that Wisconsin team, I mean, bro, bro, as my son
would say, bruh, come on, bruh. All right, in our
final couple of minutes, this is great for all of
you listeners. We're allowed to tell you who we voted
for for the Heisman. We were not allowed last week.

(45:41):
We were not allowed. We are not allowed. It's so secret.
It is so secret, and they've got accounting firms on
our ass. I'm getting text messages for forty eight straight
hours every time I look down.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
It's like, you need to vote, You need to vote,
you need to vote. I got it. Relax.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Now we can finally tell you Fernando Mendoza wins it
and Diego pot is your runner up. Go ahead, Burnsey
if you want, you don't have to. I'm not going
to vote.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Shame you. You don't have to if you don't want to.
But the Indiana kid wins the Heisman.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Yeah. As the baseball guy among this community here, I
hate that especially Hall of Fame ballots don't have to
be public. I think it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Why Why Yeah, because you'll see ballots where it's like
one guy and that has no business being voted for.
It's just the only guy, and it's like, okay, well,

(46:31):
anonymous sent this. And if you're going to have the
power in the I think it's the BBWA chip. You
can correct me if I'm wrong. It is writers in America,
like you should again here Nord there I went. I
think this is going to be popular, because I think
it was the popular vote was. I went Mendoza one,
I went diug, I went to the bandy quarterback, second,

(46:54):
dig you got me all screwed up, Diego Pavia, Yeah,
Diego Pavia. And then I went Jeremih. I love third,
And I think if my fourth would have been the
Texas Tech linebacker, the Jacob Brian. But I think Mendoza
had enough big moments and made enough big throws in
big games and big spots where they needed him to. Plus,

(47:17):
I think if you take him off that team, they're
still a very talented team, but they're not going undefeated
and not the number one team in America. You take
him off that team. I don't even know if they're
a college football playoff team. I think they're a top
twenty five team. But he is, I mean, he is
a special, special player. I think the Vanderbilt quarterback. I

(47:39):
think he was responsible for so much of their success.
And then Jeremiah Love might be the best player in
college football. And look, his team took their ball and
they went home. But yeah, that's kind of that's where
I think. Where were you guys at guards? Let's start
with you.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Oh I'm going okay, Yeah, I went.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I went Pavia And then, as you guys know, my
third place is always a little is a little bit
more of a wild card. Last year, last year it
was the Penn State tight end, and so I went
with I went with the Texas Tech linebacker. I went
with Jacob Rodriguez. Yeah, I mean, for my my rationale there,

(48:23):
because what did he finish here? I want to I
want to pull up the stands. He finished fifth.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
So Love was third, Julian Saying was second, and Rodriguez
was fifth.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
And you look at their big games, he was dominant,
like double like, and they didn't have a ton of
big games. So that's fair, Like it was b by U,
and it was a couple other like ranked teams Arizona State.
He had double digit tackles and all of them. Like
it was just he was clearly to me impactful enough
that I thought, I thought a defensive guy should get
a little bit of love, no pun intended. And that's

(48:57):
why I went with him for third. I actually went
Julian was saying second, and he ended up getting fourth.
I went with Julian saying second. Why are you looking
at me like that?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
All right?

Speaker 4 (49:08):
I'd be curious what the thought process is.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I just liked what I saw him more. I would
like watching him play Pavia.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I don't know if it was I don't know if
I gave him Chris winky bias and that he's forty
two years old, chrisk. It was for my second place vote.
I was always going to Rodriguez third because of my
wild card thing. So for my second place vote, it
was between those two and just and and and you know,

(49:39):
it wasn't like I just threw saying in there.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I just I thought he was really good. I thought
he was really good.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
As the season went along, I thought he probably could
have had bigger numbers if they, you know, certainly like
in the Texas game when they didn't let him do anything.
Seeing him in person, you know, probably swayed me a
little bit too. That's why there's nine hundred voters.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
So that was why. And again it's not like it
was a route.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I just that's where I went, because I did go
Mendoza one, and I thought that was Honestly, I thought
it was easy.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And first of all, is it twenty twenty five where
your top two Heisman winners are finalists are Indiana and Vanderbilt?
Like is that twenty twenty five or what? Like they're
needed more evident? Do we need any more evidence that
college football has changed? That your Heisman winners from Indiana
and second place is from Vanderbilt, Like everyone should.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Feel like they have a chance.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I know, if that if that's the way it is
to me, it was I mean to me, I think
he wanted in the last drive against Penn State, that
was just an in when when everything's against him, that
he's either getting sacked or he's thrown an absolute dot,
you know, to get him down there. Obviously, he got
some great help from the receiver in the end zone.
But that, to me, catapulted him and then he continued

(50:58):
to play well and again championship game, he's got to
make a couple of big time throws for them to
do something that they've never done or haven't done since
nineteen sixty seven or whatever that was.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I thought it was an easy one. Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, I went Mendoza. He became the leading candidate or
won leading Canada at Penn State. But I think it
was slam dunk. After Ohio State, you're facing the defense
that has three maybe four first rounders on it, and
they gotta have you drives that he came up with
the throws. I mean he was to come back after

(51:36):
that big hit on the first actual you know, first play,
you look like, oh my gosh, he's gone for the game.
To me, yeah, you're thirteen to know in Indiana, most
touchdown passes in FBS. I mean to me, he was
an easy one. I went, uh, Pavilla or Pavia second
all purpose yards. I mean I think he's first or

(51:58):
second all total yards. I mean, you're into it, bandy.
I mean your only losses are to Alabama in Texas. Uh,
just what you know what he's meant to that program
to Vandy as someone who's grown up in Tennessee and
knew what Bandy has been historically to see, sure they're
going into and putting forty five on my beloved balls.

(52:18):
So he was my number two, and then I kind
of uh for my third pick, I debated Love or
Rodriguez from from Texas Tech.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I went Love.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I just think he's a really special player, Like a
lot of people. I was frustrated he only got ten
carries in the first in the opener against Miami. I
was confused by that. But I think he wound up
with the most or second most touchdowns in college football
twenty one twenty two, So I think he's just dynamic player.

(52:49):
So yeah, I went Mendoza, Pavia love.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, Burnsy wants to take my vote away, Chips, so
you might have to find somebody else.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Eight people voted for saying for first, I get it first.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I know how about that? I did not do that.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Yeah, I don't think there's always a clear cut answer
for stuff like this. Yeah, I just think, like was saying,
I mean, he's got two first round receivers and Smith
and Tate, which to me kind of just kind of
the whole offense kind of cannibalized itself with how much
of it is him, how much of it is when
he took away Smith or Tate, like what the offense

(53:27):
looked like without him?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
And I thought about it.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, and I was there the same time you were
where he looked like the next reincarnation of X y Z.
First round Ohio State quarterback against the Gopher defense on
the road, which who doesn't look like that? Apparently against
Minnesota's defense on the road. But I get it, I
mean I.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Get it.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Handled it well. I thought not winning the Heisman, I
thought he handled it in the first manner.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Get up on your soapbox here in the final couple
of minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Well, no, I don't mean, I don't need to add anything.
I mean, the Heisman Trophy does have a character clause
in it, you know it does. I don't know if
it should or not, but it does.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
They do, they do.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
He I thought he handled it. I for one, am
very stunned that the the guy who Pete on the
New Mexico logo while he was in New Mexico state
quarterback didn't handle not winning the Heisman very well.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I'm just I'm stunned. I'm stunned that that that that happened.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Conversely, did you not love I'm sure coach.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Kills straighten him out, you know, in your in year nine,
I'm sure coach killis straighten him out.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
You know, he's only had him for six years. I'm
sure he'll straighten him out. At some point.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
There'll be a phone call after he gets done with
Dunkers this morning, and.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Didn't you love Mendoz's uh speech though at the end
where he's you know, people that are overlooked, a two
star you know whatever that was? That was cool. I
love that, and you know, those speeches are great. I
loved uh Travis Hunters last year. I mean that was
you know, it's I don't know awards are what they are,

(55:03):
but this one, you know, for guys that love college football,
this will still mean something to me to be able
to vote in it, and it's still I still look
at it as a prestigious award and I love being
able to be able to vote in it.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I agree with you, it's fun. It's very fun. All right.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So we are we gonna Burnssey. You're going to Phoenix
early next week. I'm going to Phoenix early next week.
That changed, did I not tell you?

Speaker 3 (55:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (55:30):
When are you living? I'm leaving the night of the
twenty third.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I'm leaving the morning of the twenty second.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
What in the world look taking a family. We're taking
a family, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
It's of course not just my family, my entire family,
my parents, my sisters and their families.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Things happen.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Things came together quickly, so a little pre Christmas or
we're gonna do. We're gonna do Christmas down there. So
I will be there the twenty second at some bougie
airbnb that is like a kid's paradise, So yeah, I will.
That was not the plan, as you know, Burnsy, that

(56:12):
was not the plan. And then things came together rather
quickly about a week and a half ago, and so
I will be spending the week down there after a
women's basketball game in Des Moines next week are on Sunday,
and so we should do a parent of spare right
from from Phoenix, Like can we can bring our stuff?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I can fire one up on the twenty third or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
What do you think I leave the night of the
twenty third, So unless you want to find a way
to get together to the morning. We've got media on
the twenty fourth where you and I are live in person.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Yeah, I am going to be there for that, so
that's that's part of that too. So anyway, nobody cares
about that, But we'll figure out when we can do
an episode, because we should do one more Bowl episode.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
We'll have reaction to what.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
You know. I'm sure some more players are going to
win out and they're coming back that whole thing. So
let's get it done next week, shall we, Fellas sounds
good all right? For Ryan Burns. For Chips Coggins, I'm
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