June 27, 2024 • 48 mins
Sean Brace and #Sixers/#NBA Insider Sean Barnard discuss the #Sixers' first-round selection in Wednesday's Night 1 of the #NBADraft, Jared McCain. They also discuss the second round of the draft and where the #Sixers may go.
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Picks and Roll, Handicapping the Hardwoodwith Sixers insider Sean Bernard and Sean Brace.
Let's go, we got something totalk about and a good afternoon,
everybody, another edition of Picks handRoll right here on the Gambler. NBA
Draft Round one last night, Roundtwo tonight. Yeah, and you know
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what, I want to commend theNBA for actually giving us something else to
watch besides what else is on televisionthis evening. We'll leave that alone for
now because we've got a lot todiscuss as far as the Sixers are concerned.
As always six Ers insider for ushere on the Gambler, the Great
Cha Bernard, I am Sean Brace, Sean so many ways to start.
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Let's just you know, I wantto ask you this question, Seau Minard,
as our resident young man here onthe State. Hit me all right,
just curious here A tweet popped upmy timeline. I always get myself
in trouble when I click on theuh for you tabs. A gentleman who
doesn't really oosee too much coolness onhis profile pick. But I'm not going
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to judge a book by its cover, he says, hilarious to me to
Watch. Forty year olds called JaredMcCain corny because of his tiktoks. My
man, you period are period,old period. The fact that you think
it's corny is exactly what makes itcool. Shah Bernard, he's talking to
me here. I'm an old man. I don't think tiktoks are cool.
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I hated the dancing scheme. Ohit's cringe. It is the whole Look
at me, Look at me.I get it different day and age understood.
Still don't tell me it's not cringe. Still, don't tell me it's
cool. But I digress. Iapologize. This is a question for you.
Are tiktoks cool? Like you're theyoung guy here? Really are they
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cool? How do you give you? So it's it's interesting. So I'm
twenty four years old, right,and I like am very much on the
borderline of this cusp. Like Ican speak to my college experience, for
like, when I got to college, there was none of this, and
by like the time I was likea senior in the tail end of college.
It's like wild to me that,like, and I played soccer,
So guys were bringing in like wehad a kid that came in with a
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legitimate TikTok following and that was histhing and all that, and it was
like, like, I don't Ican't hate on it. It doesn't bother
me. It's just it doesn't connectwith my brain either. So I feel
you. And for the Jared McCainconversation, the bottom line is this dude's
at Hooper and I think people shouldbuy into that. But yeah, I
it doesn't quite connect with me either. I'm used to it, have seen
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plenty of it and kind of knowthat is the way of the world,
but not something that I would say, who's his coolness, even though there
are people that certainly look at itthat way. Well, I'm glad I
asked you this. And it's funny. We're just having a joke. We're
gonna get to the NBA conversation justsecond, I promise you, and I
don't even care about any of that, just just so we're on record.
I think it's funny. Yeah,dude is locked up in a hotel room
traveling. He's doing like, allright, he's got time to kill man.
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He's funny. We'll get into allthat, but just staying with whether
or not it's cool or not,it is interesting and I'm glad I asked
you just because like here I am, I'm thinking, oh, you know,
this is a twenty four to twentyfive year old thing. It's really
not. It's even younger than that. And Jerreed McCain is how old right
now? Shan Bannard twenty correct,So this is the thing where it's like,
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you know, it's a whole differentballgame even younger. With social media
and TikTok and all that. Heyman, he's worked up a hell of
a following. He deserves a tonof credit as we are in the engagement
farming community, so we know thatit takes a lot to get those followers.
All right, now, let's getto the basketball side and all that
can be included. Let's just talkwhat one last on that, Like every
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prospect and player has their issues,Like would you rather be talking about a
potential distraction for a dude that's hangingwith the wrong crowd or you know,
has gotten into some off court stuffwhere maybe his habits aren't the best.
I can live with TikToker, withsome of the other some of these other
options that we've seen pop up fromnow the time, I get like,
you know, everyone's got their distractiondevices, hobbies however you want to put
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it, TikTok one not too badin the ground. The grand scheme of
thing here, it's the number twooverall. Pick just what two years ago
was being discussed dropping a gun offyou know, so and so forth.
So, Yeah, we gotta behonest with it. Yeah, the kid
likes Panic at the disco. Ilove it. That's a great song.
You know it's it's really catchy andyou know, darn well you sing that
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every time you hear it in thecar. Anyways, let's talk about the
basketball player first. Of all sixerson the clock, the board's playing out
all sorts of wildness. There's playersavailable that are really, you know,
have great potential. Of course,Dalton Connect is a name that we discussed.
I didn't think Dalton Connect was fallingout of the top ten. There
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he was. I think Dalton Connectcomes in and a commediately help a team.
There are more plus is to hisgame. But this is the one
guy that was right there and ofcourse immediately taken by the Lakers following them
Jeed McCain. Can he step inday one and help this team? What
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are his strengths? What are hisweaknesses. Yeah, I think the answer
to that is yes, that hecan step in in day one, from
day one and help the Sixers team. I won't lie to you and say
at the moment, I was rootingfor Dalton Connect to be the pick,
and I do think that's more ofan immediate impact player. But Jared McCain's
a little bit of swings both directionsthat he can be a day one impact
guy. His shooting is going tobe a defining quality at the NBA level
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from day one. He truly islike a high level, elite shooter.
Shot forty one point four percent fromthree this year on high volume. We're
talking over five attempts per game.He had I believe it was eight games
this year where he made multiple threepointers. He hit eight three pointers against
JMU and the tournament lit them upfor thirty plus points, score twenty two
in the first half. He's gotlike a level of shooting that can change
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a game, like there will bemoments this year which Jad McCain comes in
rips four or five three pointers anda half and every turns on its head.
He's that level of shooter. Theskepticism comes with playing with Tyrese Maxey
and sharing the floor. He issix foot three, he is not.
I don't have much optimism that there'sthat much growth there. He's done,
got a strong frame, he competes. I think he's more passable defensively than
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people give him credit. And theother side of things is like he's gonna
be a guy that grows in thelong term. And from the Sixers' perspective
here with so much, so manyquestions for where this roster is going,
I do think part of the calculuswas leaning into if we need to repackage
this guy in a trade. JadedMcCain's a more universal prospect than a guy
like Dalton Connect. But I'm happywith him. I want to see him
in a Sixers uniform and do hopehe sticks around. So I do think
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I ultimately give it a B plus, but very happy with the pick.
I like that definitely, something thatI did not come across. Got to
think down the road if there isa package deal. This obviously moves the
need a little bit more than DunkConnect. Dunc Connect fell for a reason.
Of course, he's a little older. You know, there's plenty of
minuses that you can mix in forDunk connects, as I just said,
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with the age one supposedly the agenttoo. And you know what, he's
played five years of college basketball.This was his best season. I did
like his game, and again puttingthat to the side, it's not even
about dult Connect, it's just reallythe The reason why I bring that up
is because, you know me,we did a show this whole season.
I was a fan. I watchedTennessee. I almost bought Dalt Connect's jersey
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up a d H Gate after thetournament. And the reason why was because
I said, if Tennessee when wewere filling out our bracket, I had
Tennessee going to the final four ifI'm not mistaken, or ELEAD eight,
and I said, if Dual Connectwins gets him to the final four,
I'll buy his jersey. You know, look, there's obvious reasons why I
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would like his game, so onand so forth. But he was a
baller. McCain is too, though, and it's about fit with this team,
and it's specifically with Tyrese MAXI.The fit there we're talking about he's
coming in starting at the two,is like, where what happens next?
Jared McCain if he is with thisteam come September, come October game one
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NBA regular season. Is he immediatelystarting? Is he that good? Does
he have to work into it?Give us the projection right now with McCain
in a six Ers year one,so obviously the Sixers still have a lot
of work to do in the rosterand that's going to change this to an
extent. I think ultimately it's morelikely that he is more of a six
man, come off the bench typeguy, at least in the short term.
I do definitely see a world wherehe grows into a starting caliber guard.
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I think he's more cut from thatcombo guard type frame than a true
point guard. But the thing thatI will give him credit for far more
than the one point nine assist pergame that he produced, that like indicates
he's a guy that knows how torun an offense, Like he has a
feel for when he needs to getguys involved, when he needs to get
his own, when it's his timeto take over. There is like that
true like point guard slash leader feelthat you have to his game. That's
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really impressive. That even dates backto his high school tape and stuff like
that. Where he's been he's hadsuccess at every single level he's played at.
He is a guy that seems tobe a leader of men to an
extent, which I don't think peopleare giving him enough credit for. He
so like, I think there's aworld where him and Tyrese Maxi neither one
of them end up being true pointguards, but they can do like the
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combo guard type role together. Andagain, I do think he's a better
defender than he's gotten credit. Iget he's six foot three, but he's
competitive, he's strong, he's physical. I like the way that he plays
on both ends of the floor.So I see a world where him and
Maxi work together far more than peopleare giving it credit. A lot of
positives on the timeline. You don'tsee that often with the sixteenth overall pick.
Everybody come into agreement, and I'mnot gonna sit here and say it
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was universe so, but a lotof people I respect when it comes to
the college basketball game. One gentleman'sbeen on this show, Brian Bievo.
He is a Duke fan. Hesaid he fits the system so much more
than Dalton connect the perfect compliment toMaxie. That backcourt quote will have the
highest aura in the NBA Philly wantsa guy who hustles, lays it all
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on the line and gives it.You know what, this is the one
I love that of course, MarkHenry Junior waking up and saying something like
along the longs that he had dreamsabout him last night. Yeah, he
was his number one option from startto finish. Mark Henry Junior. Interesting,
what was I I guess I shouldcall up Mark? But what was?
What was this big reason why?So a lot of Mark's mindset here
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is like when you look at theSixers shortcomings and year in year out,
it's never been their defense. Likefor the concerns about the defensive situation here,
it's always been they don't have enoughways to score the ball. They
don't have enough other options. That'swhat Jared McCain's gonna be able to do
from day one. Like his shootingis a defining trait that will keep him
at the NBA level. You canhave questions about the other stuff if you
can play make at a high enoughlevel. If he is defensively an issue,
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He's a very good rebounding guard forhis size to fight, being just
six foot three average five rebounds pergame, and like you felt those rebounds
that like he's in the mix.They're tough, physical, he plays hard
like it's It is kind of funnyto me that he is like this TikTok
paint his nails kind of poster boy, because if you just watch him play
like he is all hustle, heis all hard, He's leaving it out
there, You're like, from startto finish, that dude is locked in
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playing basketball high level, which Ilove to see. So from Mark's perspective,
I think he's very much buying inon the offense, and there's good
reason for that to be the case. So what was the mock draft?
I was having a We just talkedabout this for the past week and then
some What were some of the mocksthat had him It was a shock that
he fell right, Yeah, Iknow, Maury said they had him pegged.
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This is a top ten pick.He was kind of mocked in the
range. I saw several mocks havinghim connected to the sixers. I do
think it's a fit there. Iwould it wouldn't have been a shock if
he went like eighth or ninth inthis draft. Also wouldn't have been a
complete shock if he felt a littlebit Further, I saw him as late
as nineteen and some but he wasvery much in this Sixers range, So
not a huge surprise there. Ido think you should have been off the
board sooner than when the Sixers pickedhim, so happy he wasn't around for
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sure, the fourth Duke freshman guardtaking top twenty in the NBA draft.
Ever, that's something to say there, and yeah, look, it's it's
really eye opening when Daryl Morey andI'll give him some truth, I'll give
him some credit when he does speakthe truth, and he does a lot.
I don't think he holds back.You have to at times, but
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there's been plenty of situations over theyears that Darryll moriy is out on the
radio airwaves and spit the truth,and of course podcasts so and so forth.
Then I thought he was telling thetruth last night with what you just
said. We had him pegged atthe top ten pick. He fell.
It was a no doubt and Ilove that, like they got their guy
at the end of the day.Correct, Yeah, I think so.
And the way that Mary talks abouthim. For sure, there are the
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trade implications and like obviously this couldchange if the right operatunity presents itself,
but he certainly was not talking aboutMcCain and is a guy that they picked
as like, you know, anasset or a guy that they look to
be moving on that there was agreat deal of excitement of Maury speaking that
we believe this guy can make ayear one impact, we have some higher
hopes for him beyond. And doyou want a really crazy stat here to
get excited about for starters, Youlook at the per one hundred numbers.
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It's pretty much identical to what DevinBooker produced in college. And this stat
right here, this is from DavidMurphy. He says there are two freshmen
in NCAA history with a sixty onepoint one percent plus true shooting percentage,
two hundred and ten plus three pointattempts and one hundred and fifty plus rebounds.
Those players are Jared McCain and StephCurry. Damn, damn. Yeah,
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it is a hell of a statall right again, you know,
look, no one's gonna talk well, take that back, because everyone does
have a take on it. Buta lot more people are going to blow
this up and and make him outto be a great selection and all that.
And the size is definitely a littlebit of an eye opener. But
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if he's there the shoot at theend of the day, that's all that
matters, and he is, hejust fills it up. Steph Curry's a
hell of a camp. Is therea comp in your mind? I know
people get frustrated and upset when wethrow that out there, good creef.
I can only imagine his mentions afterthat. What's your comp though? What
were you saying about him on theway into this draft? Yeah, I've
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seen some Seth Kerry comps. That'sa little bit more light there. I
think he's more physically commanding than Seth, Like he's way more physical. He's
like when you watch Jared McCain drivethe basketball. He's like a contact initiator
that he's putting his shoulder down.He's getting into guys. He can finish
across all angles, and defensively,he's really impactful, like he had over
a steal per game. His handsare active and he's physically imposing again,
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like he's getting up in your space. Here to give an NBA player,
Fred Van Fleet's probably the number oneguy that I see some and for what
it's worth, there was a greatdeal of success with Fred van Fleet under
Nick Nurrison Toronto. So a prettygood comp there, if that's something that
makes sense. I think van Fleet'sprobably the closest thing. But I do
think he's a little bit like avery unique blend of a basketball player.
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So I think he's a there's nota perfect player to truly model his game
after all. Right, Well,a lot still up in the air.
We don't know what's next as faras how they're filling this team out.
Plenty of roster spots available, coulda trade take place. I definitely do
agree. I see the vision alittle bit more that you can possibly pack
a chim up a little bit moreenticing for general managers out there than a
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guy like don't connect with which kindof needed to win win now mode.
One thought, though, I dowant to put this out there with all
the other nonsense that is following him. Look at this day and age.
Nothing scares me, nothing shocks me. Kids fun like Caleb Williams. Same
thing, you know, Williams.The one thing that bothered me about Williams
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is he would draw fu like againstthe team he was playing. I'm like,
come on, man, you don'tneed that, Like that's a little
over the top, but you wantto paint your nails. I don't care.
I will say this though, Ididn't really see anybody losing their mind
over it. It's just funny howthat works on social media. You know.
First thing is like, oh,w ip, callers is gonna field?
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Who cares? Like please, Like, I've had enough of that radio
station and I'm wrenching them right now. Who cares what they say? We
know those callers are idiots. Whatever. The other thing that hits me is
like, I didn't see anybody say, like your pages now, I don't
want that guy on my team whatever. I just want to put this out
there, like we think we're bigand bad here in Philly, and I
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understand, you know, being apart of it for the last twenty plus
years, we can be That dudeplayed basketball at Duke and did all of
that. So I got news foryou, all right, He's heard everything
and then some from the Carolina fans, from the NC State fans, for
anybody else in college basketball. SoI'm pretty sure he's comfortable in his skin.
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I'm not concerned about that. I'mexcited. Kids got you know,
some some some riz to him,right you know, I think I could
say that here and he can fillit up. So that's what I'm really
excited about. We'll see what happensnext. For the seventy six ers.
We're gonna talk about round two,but before we do that, let's go
ahead and keep it going as faras round one from last night. First
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things first, Sean, I like, normally I'm one of these guys that
pushes back all this is gonna bea terrible drive. Class Da da da
dah. You hear that a lot, and it's like, all right,
you tell me these sort of thingshold up, like we know darn well.
At the end of the day,there's thirty players pick. There's gonna
be a couple players that produced that. Nobody thinks there's gonna be a couple
players that are kind of duds thatpeople expected a little bit more from so
on and so forth. Dude,I don't know. I think they might
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be spot out. With this draftclass one overall pick, there was zero
buzz, Like, what are wetalking about with the number one overall pick?
Is he a good player? Whywas there not like more build up
behind him? Are we lazy?Because he was across seas like what's happening
there That is crazy. Nobody evenknows how to pronounce his name except for
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you, which you correctly did lastweek. Yeah, so Zachary resa Che
is the dude's name here played overin France. And by the way,
even last night we have shout outFrank Mason, who I love, an
old school Kansas player who I believehe had a cup of coffee in the
NBA but was never able to stickaround. But him tweeting out immediately after
the draft of Frank Mason playing inthe same league in France right now and
just said that young man is notthe number one pick in the NBA draft.
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So pretty funny. There not agreat design either. The bigger storyline.
To me, I'm not a guythat's a Resa schet. I think
he's fine. He's very You're gonnaknow exactly what he is to an extent
as a role that he's gonna bea three and D guy. He's a
six foot ten shooter that can defendpretty well on ball, but that's about
it. That he's not gonna betaking guys off the drubble. He's not
gonna be playmaking and to me,like I think that's kind of shortsighted that
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that's the number one overall pick you'regoing with there. I think the bigger
story storyline as it pertains to theHawks is they essentially got bullied out of
taking who's perceived as the best playerin this draft in Alex sar who refused
to work out for Atlanta. Ifind it really strange that he did all
this effort to force himself to theWashington Wizards, of all places that I
think you just want to objectively lookat it, like the Hawks aren't a
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model of how you want to runa franchise, but I think they got
a leg up from Washington based onpast results, So I was kind of
surprised by that. I don't loveReesa chet. I still think this draft
has a lot of guys that stillwill have impactful careers, but this is
certainly a role player draft. There'sno doubt about it. Yeah. Look,
I'm not Steven a. I'm notpaid twenty five million to get on
television and go who, which wascrazy, But the world we live in,
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I just was there was a lotof players that I was like,
first of all, I'm the onething that hit me last night was how
big is Monica McNutt. She wasas tall as half of those guys out
there. I know she played well, and I'm pretty sure she is a
little tall, But at the endof the day, like some of these
guys weren't really all that big,and then you see the videos and you're
like, all right, who arehappy these guys? Even Tansy was checking
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in and Joe Tansey notes college basketball. So there were a lot of foreign
players taken. What is your takeon France right now? I think four
players were taken in last last night'sfirst round. Of course with Wimby last
year. Yeah, between we knowthere are French players in the NBA,
but to have that many taken inthe first round that was eye opening.
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What's your take on that? Yeah, three of the first six players selected
coming from France there, that beingzacharyrisa Che, Alex Saar, and then
t Jan Salon down at six toCharlotte. There there was a ton of
international options last night, and Ido think like that speaks to the growth
of basketball. This is not anovernight takeover that it has certainly been trending
this direction. I think even movingforward're gonna look at almost half and half
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like America versus International. When youlook at the selection, I don't think
this is something that is changing.I think there'sn't been that much growth overseas.
And it's also there's guys that likelike Alex Sar for example, here
is an American born player who tookhis talents to France that he bounced around
and that was the path to thedraft that he elected to take. There's
guys like that as well. SoI think that just speaks to the growth
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of basketball and it's something that Idon't see is changing. So maybe the
scouting's got to catch up a little, get a little more widespread or whatever.
But I think that's just what we'relooking at. This is gonna sound
stupid, that's all right, I'llhold back. Is it all one league
over there? Like did Wimby playagainst all these guys last year? Some
of them it's not as directly connectedfrom that. Like to Jean Salon,
who's the guy who went six tothe Charlotte Hornets, he's the guy who
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played with Wemby that they have arelationship. I don't believe on the professional
team that they played together, butthey had been training together in France and
kind of grew up playing in thebasketball circles together, so there are some
connections there. That's a large reasonwhy there was some talking points with Recichet
too, is they at least hadsome sort of relationship with Wemby and him
going to the Spurs that type ofthing. So not quite as linear.
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There's a lot more like higher levels, lower levels of leagues and that type
of things overseas. So you gotto kind of do your research on each
individual one, but it will beinteresting to see how that filters out.
All right, let's go to thedraft last night reached Shepherd third overall.
When that selection happened, what wasyour immediate reaction. I think he's a
good fit for Houston. Fred vanFleet, who I just mentioned as a
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McCain comp he's down there on apretty short term deal at this point,
so I think read Shepherd is goingto be essentially the long term Fred van
Fleet replacement. Shepherd's a guy that, like in a draft full of uncertainties,
you know what his role in whathe can do is type thing.
He's the guy that is McCain's competitionfor the best shooter in this year's draft,
and they do a lot of similarthings. I honestly believe in McCain's
defense a little more, But thereis an argument to be made at Shepherd
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is another level of like just shooterand a guy that like offensively that he
can create off the dribble a littlemore, a little better playmaker. And
there are people that would fight meon that that defense. Take that.
I think Shepherd's a little bit moreof a steals in blocks merchant that he
does get his hands in jumps,passing lanes. He's not as much of
a slide your hips, move yourfeet and stick with the guy as I
think McCain will do. But Ithink it is a good fit for Houston.
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I if either Resa che or Sawhad fallen, I think they would
have gone in that direction, butit doesn't didn't make a ton of sense
for them to go with Klanion there, and we saw him slide a little
bit, So I like that forHouston. Shepherd could possibly end up in
Phoenix. Could happen, you neverknow, could happen now And and the
one eye opening deal with Shepherd waswhen Ryan beef Coyle at the Combine was
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putting some stats out and like,wait, what didn't you have the highest
vertical at the compline and like thedude, you have fifty two from three
this year, Like that's crazy number, that's stupid, That's just stupid.
Yeah, so of course if you'rean NBA general manager you want that.
But we'll see if he's able todo it at the next level. Castle
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from Yukon a hell of a pickthere. Ron Holland Clinging falls to seventh
to the Blazers. Dillingham was aguy that dropped a little bit. I
know some people were possibly talking abouthim being picked a little higher and then
the surprise of the night Zach Edytop ten. We discussed it a couple
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of months ago where we were debatingwhether or not first round he goes top
and Sean Bernard out of all thosenames, I just threw your way,
what was the one that caught yourattention to most? Yeah, I think
you nailed it bringing up Edie there. And probably the talking point to this
is there was a ton of smokeleading up to the draft for Memphis' interest
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in Donovan Klinging. Clinging ultimately gotpicked one selection before going to the Portland
Trailblazers. I do think that theyneed a big man down there in Memphis
that Jaron Jackson Jr. Plays hisbest version of basketball when there's a true
center behind him where he can bekind of more of that roaming power forward.
So they went with Zach Edy.Is that version that guy. I
think Klingon would have been a muchcleaner fit, a guy that would have
been a just straight up better basketballplayer for that team. I'm very interested
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to see what the ed experiences.I am a Zach Edy believer in the
long term, but I think he'sa guy that like is very niche in
the way that you can use him. He was the guy approaching the draft
that it was the widest range ofwhere he could be selected. I did
not think we'd be hearing him getpicked in the top ten by any means.
The ultimate beauty is in the eyeof the beholder, right, Like
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I could talk myself into Edie withthe sixers at sixteen, not even fixers
put that to the side. Butas high as sixteen, as high as
fifteen, I didn't see top ten. I did not see top ten.
So somebody fell in love with somemetrics and look the fit, right,
Like, okay, you got size. You immediately have some serious size down
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there at the rim, and defensively, that's going to be tough for teams.
You know, I just need alittle bit more from a top ten
pick. I don't know, we'llsee. I am fascinated by that selection.
And of course to Memphis Grizzlies,I think that's a pretty smart organization.
They built a nice team. Theygot John Moran. Is that gonna
work out for them? In yourmind, They're gonna have to find a
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way to make it work like Edie'sgonna be. I think the best way
to use him is probably as likea guy off the bench who's an ultimate
change the pace for the game,like a guy that's a bruiser that you
throw in there for five to tenminutes. Give him a couple of touches
in the post, let him usehis size. You cannot teach seven foot
four, and he does have likelegitimate, nice touch around the basket.
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It's he's not just big, likethere is some aspect to skill that he
has good free throw shooter for hissize, which is really rare hubbed around
eighty percent there. There is somehope he can develop a little bit of
a jump shot because of those reasons. So I think we will have the
zach Edy Knights where he pours ina nice like eighteen and ten in a
short period of time. It's justgonna be the NBA adjusting to Zach Edy
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as much as Zach Edy he's adjustingto the NBA like that. It's a
good call by you, all right. Then we go to the teams,
and you know, we got Serbia, we got g Lee, We got
Cody Williams from Colorado, who wasa hell player. Colorado had the two
players drafted in the first round,and that was something we discussed heading into
Mark's madness with the eyes on Colorado. They played in the first four and
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they had two top twenty picks.That's pretty cool at the end of the
day. And then you go intoProvidence in Pittsburgh with Carter and Carrington,
both of them really good players.I'm more familiar with Devin Carter than I
am Bub Carrington, But your thoughtson the fifth with their with their where
they ended up. I really dolike Carter with Sacramento though, Yeah,
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I really liked the Carter pick forSacramento. We saw last year how impactful
Kean Ellis was for that Kings team, being like a defensive minded guard,
especially playing off guys like Daron Fox, and you have a big man like
Domas Simonis who's never going to bea huge plus defender. There. Having
these types of like guard that imposedhimself is really appealing to me. And
I think Devin Carter to an extentis like a more evolved version of Kean
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Ellis that I think he's going tobe even more physical, even more commanding
as a rebounder, and a guythat can still shoot the ball pretty well.
So I really like that fit forSacramento. And Bob Carrington probably the
guy that was the biggest riser inthis entire draft that he was basically talked
about as like a fringe first roundpick for most of this By the time
leading up to last night, likeit was pretty much set in stone he
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was going to be a lottery pick, which was surprising to me. Spent
one year at Pittsburgh. I believehe's the youngest guy in the draft.
If not, he's one of theyoungest. He's still eighteen years old,
spent one and done at pitt ranmore pick and rolls than anybody in all
of college basketball last year. Twelvepoint six per game, which he produced
at over one point one points perpossession. Really high efficiency there, And
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if we're just going to call itlike that, if you can produce it
that level of pick and roll atthe NBA level, there's a place for
you. He's six' five,He's got a little bit of springiness and
athleticism to him. I do likeBob Carrington, so cool to see him
rise as much as he did.I didn't fully expect to hear his name
there, but shout out to thebub for getting all the way up to
fourteen there. What a name lovethat name too, great name and true.
Name's Carlton. He goes by bub. I give him far more style
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points by going by bub. Forsure. He's higher on my list of
Bob Carrington than Carlton Carrington for sure. A sha bnard all thinks picks and
roll. We're talking about. We'llget to the sixers in the second round.
Here, we'll put a bow onthe first round. Biggest surprise from
last night was what biggest surprise?Probably Zach Edie. If I'm gonna go
a little bit different, Madas buzzellsfalling all the way down to eleven I
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was really surprised by I think that'sa cool place for him. He's a
Chicago kid, so gets to stayout there represent the Bulls, and that's
the type of swing that the Bullsshould be taking that. I think there's
a whirl where this guy can turninto an All Star, which I think
there's several names above him that Idon't feel that way about. So surprised
to see him fall all the wayout of the top ten. I think
the Bulls got a good one inBuzzell's there, all right. Next question
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is is there another Villanova player thatthe New York Knicks can draft? Is
that? Is there any Nova playersmore than that kid? Best available right
here, right now? Second roundgets started this evening, best available in
your mind, probably Kyle Philipowski wouldbe my answer there. Jad McCain's teammate
at Duke. I think people havesoured on him a little bit more than
probably should be the case. Thatwas my hot take prediction leading into last
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night is that he would fall outof the first round completely. That ultimately
did prove to be the case there, But I do think like he will
be a guy that finds his rolein the NBA there's enough supplementary skills that
he's just a smart player knows whatto do with the basketball. There are
concerns about like the positional fit andall that, but I like him.
I also throw a little bit oflove to Johnny Furfey, who I'm pretty
fond of. He's only eighteen.He's another guy who's like a home run
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swing that's gonna take a couple ofyears, but pretty crazy athletic, shockingly
athletic for a dude that like doesnot look the part by any means,
but he is real deal size,can shoot it a little bit. He
had a really hot stretch which reallyinflated his draft stock and kind of cooled
off after. But Johnny Furfey andKyle Philipowski probably my top options there Where
was Spilpowski mocked in like late teensto early t twenties was kind of the
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general consensus there. He did seemto be a guy circled as a potential
follower, but I saw a lotand especially throughout all of the season,
he was expected as like a fringelottery late lottery type guy. Yeah.
Look, there were games with Dukethis past year that I bit my tongue
that I didn't hit send on thosetweets, but I do like I did
like him. I did, Yeah, I thought he played really well with
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Duke, and he was hungry andhe was a man against boys in some
games. The next level's tough though, right Like I can't sit here.
I felt more passionate about Grayson Allentough comp obviously Duke. That's the reason
why I'm bringing it up. ButI was a little bit more vocal on
Grayson Allen being at the next level. I don't know if I see it
all that much. Absolutely different players, different positions, all that. But
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I've really bit my tongue in Philipotsky. We'll see where he ends up,
and ultimately I'm sure he can play, but the situation is going to matter
really a lot with him and wherehe ends up. All right, So
kicking off the second round here,let's see here, rounds a number two
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coming your way, and we openup with Toronto, Utah, Milwaukee,
the Blazers. The Philadelphia seventy sixers will go eleventh in round number two,
which is a forty one overall.I'm not gonna ask you to give
me a player, but where doyou think they should target if there's anything
as the best available at this pointin time in your mind, is there
a player off the top of yourmind that you want to see them go
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and get. How do you approachthat pick? Should they trade up and
go get a guy? Yeah,I don't think they'll trade up. I
think they're gonna sit pretty and makea pick here. The Darryl Moury thought
process behind drafting is essentially you sitback and let the best available player come
to you, and whoever that is, you take. And we saw another
example of that last night with JaredMcCain. That was the Tyrese Maxi pick,
that Jaden Springer pick. That's theway that Moury kind of drafts.
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So I don't expect anything different here. I think you take a little bit
more of a home run swing inthe second round, which is a non
guaranteed deal. You can cause controlthat a little better, and ultimately you
got your guy that you expect tobe an immediate impact player in Jared McCain.
I like swinging for the fence alittle bit here. A couple of
names. I like if Bobby Clintman'son the board from Sweden, I would
love him played a year at WakeForest. I actually fell in love with
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his game. At that point.He was only like a five point per
game scorer, but he was justall over the place. He's long,
he's got like seven to four wingspan or something crazy that he doesn't feel
all the way coordinated. But he'sa guy that is intriguing as like that
arc type of a true wing player. Tyler Smith from the G League Knights
interesting. Kevin mccullor junior from Kansasis intriguing. Justin Edwards out of Kentucky
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I think would probably be the topname that I would throw out there is
he's a player that I think isgoing to out perform his draft slot by
a pretty significant margin. It wouldn'thave shocked me if he snuck into the
first round last night. But Edwardswas a dude who was one of the
top five recruits in last year's classand was outplayed by his own teammates and
Rob Dillingham and Reed Shepherd. SoI think Dillingham, I mean, I
think Justin Edwards has a game thattranslates better at the NBA level than college.
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So that's a name that I probablyhave circled for sure all right,
got the draft, We're off andrunning here and summer league right around the
corner, and then who knows mantraining camp fast approaching, all that and
more. All right, anything elsefrom the NBA Draft you want to get
off your chest, sixers or leaguewide, nothing too crazy for me.
I think, like last night wasnobody had any clue. There were a
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couple of late swings that I wasdisappointed in. Some second round targets that
I had penciled in for the Sixers, Pacome dott Yacht that was drafted by
the Knicks, Dylan Jones by theWizards. AJ Johnson evens intriguing, and
Jalen Tyson, who I knew isMark Henry Junior's guy. So I think
there was a Baylor Shyman I love. There was a late swing of picks
that I was a little frustrated whenoff the board, but you know,
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it is what it is. SixYou's got Jared McCain, so we can't
complain too much. Good pick bythe Celtics to close out round one.
Definitely, I love Shyman. Hewas didn't have a lot of first round
buzz, so he was a guythat I think I was personally higher on
than consensus. He's a winner.He's gonna find a way to stick in
the NBA, makes all the rightplays and shoots the ball and credibly well
a nice little lefty stroke there.So I like Shireman, And when you
win the championship, you can goahead and take swings like that at thirty
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overall and you know, we'll seehow it plays off for the Celtics.
All right, NBA as a whole, you and I didn't ok yesterday.
So the Nicks go out and getmikel Bridges where we're at right now with
that, with that move, andof course Og signs the deal man.
They're all in Sean And it's notlike I see it both ways, right,
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Like I can definitely take a shotat it. I could tell you
that. Yeah, like you're allin and you got some good players,
but you're banking on chemistry at theprofessional level, where in my mind,
you need all stars. You needguys that are just superstars out there.
They have a lot of really goodplayers. They raise their value this past
year. They played to heights thatpeople didn't think Dante de Vincenzo could play
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at, and of course Josh Hart. But will they be there this upcoming
season. I think they will beI do. I believe in that chemistry.
I believe that fighting for each other. I believe that Michael Bridge is
a better player than when he waswith Phoenix versus what he was with Brooklyn.
And there's a reason because Brooklyn stinks. But now you're putting him in
the garden with that team, Ithink he's going to raise his level.
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Of course, you have to addin the injury factor. Can your bank
on bruntson being healthy for the entiretyof the season plus og, Like I
said, you can take shots.But at the end of the day,
they were moving in the right direction, and I think this move pushes them
even more in that direction. Wheredo you stand on that move? Yeah,
I totally get it. Michal Bridgeis a very good player and a
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guy that you can plug and playon any basketball team in the planet,
any NBA team, any like he'sgoing to fit his role. I am
a little skeptical the more I digestedit, of like, you just traded
a lot for McHale Bridges, Who'sa guy who definitely is not a top
twenty NBA player, probably not evenlike a top thirty, top forty if
we really want to dive into andgetting all the names there, He's good.
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He's going to be more important tothe Knicks than he would have been
in a lot of locations. It'sfrustrating for the Sixers angle of is this
is another like potential option that ispulled off the plate here by Bridges being
sent to New York. But Ido think that essentially they've built like a
role player super team, and Iam a little skeptical of that being like
championship material there that I really ama believer that you need a top sick
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player in the NBA to win achampionship, and I don't see one on
the roster. And even Jalen Brunson, as good as he is, I
don't think he can go any higherthan was the case last year. That
was the peak Jalen Brunson for me. He might be able to maintain that,
but the bottom line, he's notgonna grow overnight. And I don't
think either of these guys are likethe ideal sidekick either. Like the Gambles,
essentially, they think Bridges can bea number two in a championship team.
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I don't know if I fully feelthat way. I think his best
role is as a number three ona team, and I don't think Devin
Chnz of Our Heart are even playingto level aighted last year or better than
that moving forward. So I ama little skeptical of this next team.
I respect that they did swing forthe fences and continue to get better after
having the success in the playoffs,but you're banking on a lot of chemistry
and everything clicking for this team toreally achieve the heights that they're hoping.
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Role players Super Team put it ona T shirt. I like that.
If they do get the job done, I would imagine there's gonna be a
parade up there on the main line. It's crazy that all these nova players
are there. It's just shocking.They're definitely going for it, and for
a team that hasn't been worth thedamn for years up until recently. Yeah,
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I could. I understand it.I get it, and they're all
in. They were able to makeit happen because of the contracts and brunch
and not taking that crazy amount ofmoney, and you connect the dots.
It's surprising that they were able tokeep Og. That's a big deal.
If he could stay healthy of coursethat's his big you know, his big
X mark on him. But bottomline is I get it, and I'm
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definitely entertained by it, but Idon't know if it's going to get you
to a championship. Yeah, that'swhere that's like, are we talking about
the second round? Are we talkingabout winning it all? And and like,
I get it. It's a greatstory and it will definitely have us
entertained and tuned in, and itlooks like it's a lot of fun to
play for the Knicks, But whenit comes to playoff time, are we
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talking about a team that can wina championship? Long way to go till
we get into that conversation, butright here, right now, still some
questions that need to be answered.Bam, three years, one sixty six
with the Miami Heat. Yeah,you know, it's not surprising. It's
just dude, the contracts that theseplayers are getting are crazy. Now,
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that's the the eye opener. It'slike, you know, Jason Capono when
he played for the Sixers, there'sa pool I just used to laugh because
this was my I always go towhen he played. He came off the
bench barely and he made like sixpoint five million dollars. I'm like,
that's the job I want. Iwant that job. Jason Capono comes out
of retirement, steps on the floor. He's making twenty million to do what
he did in that season. It'scrazy, a lot of money to be
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made right now. But BAM's adamn good player too though. Yeah,
and for sure like a building blockfor that Heat team. I'm not shocked
by it. I've never been thebiggest Bam out of Bio guy. I
think that there are some limitations tohis game, Like I don't think he
can be a number one on ateam for sure, and I think probably
not a number two, like offensivelyfor sure, not he is an incredible
defender. I get that. Yougotta pay the man. The bigger story
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to me is that there's still beenno progress on a Jimmy Butler extension while
BAM's getting his money there, andfor what it's worth, it's essentially was
reported straight up that Jimmy's just gonnaplay out the length of his contract this
year. So he's got forty eightpoint seven mil that he's making this year,
speaking of a ton of money,then a fifty two million dollar player
option for next year, so Butler'sgonna play out this season and see what
happens from there. So have thatone circle a little bit in our Star
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watching kind of mindset. Apparently JimmyButler played in a poker tournament. I
saw that ended the winning. Yeah. Yeah, he ended up winning a
huge pot and then immediately cashed out, which is a no note. You
got to stick around a little bitand give the people at the table an
opportunity to maybe take some of thataway. But apparently Jimmy Butler had stepped
out on the money and then washanding money out and people were talking smack
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about him at the table. It'sprobably not a good idea, but anyways,
Yeah, Jimmy Butler, I'm gonnaplay. And I never expected him
to force his way out of Miami. The hell do you want to leave
Miami for? You know, heis Miami. Yeah, I mean,
at the same time, I've givenup trying to figure out exactly what makes
Jimmy Butler beat either so he couldon a whim say, you know what,
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I went back in Philadelphia. Iwant to go to Los Angeles or
whatever the case may be. Sohe is a wild card to that extense
and not fully rolling it out,but yeah, it does seem like he's
gonna be sticking to Miami at leastfor now. All right, final one
back over to sixers for me,And this is one thing that I said
yesterday. I get it. It'sthis time where we're gonna read everything and
we're going to believe everything as gospel. And I'm fine with that. Matter
of fact, I did say thisyesterday just so you know, I got
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all care if Sean Benard hot onthese airways and told you this is what
he's hearing, like you can't believeeverything you're hearing at this point then And
I said that specifically to a reportthat was put out there I believe by
Kyle Knubeck that said that if there'snothing there, then Morey could do what
he's done years with Harden and Simmons, hold up, wait to the deadline,
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get further into the season, whateverit may be. I know Harden
happened before the season, if I'mnot mistaken or you know first that was
two weeks. Yeah, yeah,early in the season, but Simmons was
later. And I get it.It makes sense, but it's frustrating to
read that and I don't know ifI'm giving that a thumbs up, by
no means like I want them togo out there and get players. But
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if nothing is available and you planand you're gonna get fleeced, if you're
Darryl Moore, you can't so withthat report specifically, Is there any truth
behind that in your mind? Yeah, I mean I think that only happens
if, like the Sixers absolutely strikeout, like it's certainly plan as attack
right now, find a way tobuild this roster to contender. I also
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kind of have a philosophical disagreement withMorrey's stance on like the deadlines when it's
a finished product. I think whenyou're moving as significant pieces of players like
James harden Order, like Jimmy Butleror Brandon Ingram or whoever the name may
be, takes a little time forthem to gel within the concept of a
team there. So I think it'simportant to have an entire season for guys
to figure out how to play witheach other. I think Maury more so
views it as you bring enough talentand they'll work itself out, which I
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understand obviously you want more talent thannot, but I think it's a bit
more gambled, and he gives itcredit there. Ultimately, I think the
Sixers find a way to take somesort of half step. I continue to
hear a lot of brandon ingram smoke, and I still think ultimately that probably
ends up being part of the movethere. And let's also make note that
free agency does not officially begin untilMonday, so that's when I really expect
these talks to heat up. Forwhat the Sixer are gonna be doing there,
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it's definitely possible, it's definitely notideal. I do think Morey's gonna
work every single option in every singlephone line to make sure that's not the
case. But if there's not anoffer of the table, and when you
consider guys like Michale Bridges are gettingfive first round picks and a pick swap,
like, it's tough to be superoptimistic on building a contender if that's
the going rate for some of theseplayers. Yeah, Julian Edla from DraftKings
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joined me yesterdear and he was like, look I get Nova deal or the
nixt deal called Nova. But he'slike, the thing that hit me the
most was Crusoe didn't catch any picks, and yeah, Mikel Bridges and I
go, you know, thirty oneversus twenty six, twenty seven whatever Bridges
is. Yeah, still you wouldthink that they would have got something more
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in return. It is crazy theygave up a ton for Bridges, a
ton to get him. But we'llsee how that plays out. Yeah.
Great. The other piece of thatthere is, like from the Sixers angle
when you are making these trades,is like the reason the Crusoe deal happened
is that the Bulls are a teamthat never wants to slip into that true
rebuild or true like being a badbasketball team that they believe in. Josh
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Getty can at least keep them afloata little bit. That's a young player
that was of interest to them.That's where the value comes in for drafting
a guy like Jared McCain who couldpotentially entice some of these teams, like
a team like Utah has spoken abouthow they don't want to get worse.
So if Lourie Markin is a namethat the Sixers have, circle picks,
aren't gonna be the overall deal thatenticed them. If Jared McCain's the guy
that they like, then all ofa sudden you get a little closer to
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a massive deal happening there. SoI do think that there's value in players,
and we're seeing that a little bitmore that picks have to an extent
become my currency among NBA circles forpaying for guys. Players hold a little
bit different bargaining chip there. Sojust kind of food for the thought on
what teams they're looking for best inthe business. And he is our insider
for all things Sixers and the NBA. Right here in the Gambler, Sean
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Bernard Shawn Underscore Bernard one is whereyou can find them on socials, picks
and Roll. You missed anything,get on over to FOXPHL Gambler dot com
where we have all of our podcastsavailable for you. Sean enjoyed nine two
of the NBA DREP. Don't changethe channel, keep it locked. ESPN.
There's two espns. I know,yeah, ESPO one. I watched
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steven a for like Picks eleven throughseventeen, was like, is this really
their coverage? And I clicked it. I'm like, no, okay,
obviously it's not the other channel.A Malik had j billis had WOJ and
I'm like what I was stuck onsteven A's broadcast, and I feel for
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Kevin de Gandhi, but that wasa tough watch man. That was I
was just like, what am Iwatching right now? And then the next
pick and steven A has no ideawhat he's talking about. Nothing. He
was just yelling the whole night,just yelling yeah, yeah, that's how
it goes. And also, bythe way, tough look or tough situation
for a guy like Kyle Philipowski forthe first time in history, gets invited
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to the green room, goes allthe way without being drafted, and you
gotta come back the next day.That's tough. Do you do you really
have to go back? I don'tknow if you do. I saw a
video of him leaving that he lookedquite dejected and sad as expected. So
definitely feel for the guy for that. But a tough situation. I have
to sit through all thirty and nothear your name called there. Yeah,
you want to be part of theleague and you want to do right.
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I'll tell you, man, there'sprobably like if you told me that I
wasn't a top ten pick, ifI knew I wasn't a top ten pick,
I'm probably staying home doing the familylike Zach Edy did it right.
Look like he was at the poolwith his boys. It looked fun.
It's supposed to be fun, andit will be fun. He's going to
be drafted. But like like yousaid, Philipowski, now is the Aaron
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Rodgers of the draft, and it'slike, you don't want to be that,
and the dude's getting drafted. There'snothing negative, but yet we created
a negative because he went to thegreen room and he wasn't selected. It's
just it's tough. It's tough.But if I was an agent, I'd
probably say top ten cool, it'sup to you. Anything after that,
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just go party with your family andthe people that mean the most. I
think that would probably be the bestthing for everybody. Yeah. I was
listening to the pat bevpod who waskind of talking about this pat with like
his draft day experience, and hewas talking about Patty Mills. Was like
insistent on I want to be atthe draft room. And Patty Mills ended
up like the fifty eighth we're allpickers something like that. So like barely
was selected, but he got hismoment if he got to walk up,
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shake hands, do the pictures thewhole thing, and Pat was on the
other side of things being like,dude, I don't know if I'm hearing
my name call, like I don'twant to be there if that's not the
case, And ultimately, like hewas, he was also a second round
pick. But I see both sidesof it. Of like, that's obviously
a very special and cool moment ofhearing your name called, shaking hands,
putting the hat on, walking acrossthe stage, getting the full nine there,
But if it doesn't work out,like, it's a tough spot.
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I would much rather have that likeemotional breakdown and in the like presence of
my family and myself rather than withcameras around and all that type of thing.
So it's tough. It's a it'sa win if you get picked.
It's a lost feed, don't It'sa tough situation to be it. Yeah,
it really is. Where did pepPev go to college? Uh?
Arkansas? Arkansas. Wow, that'sa good pull by you. Saint Mary's
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a new pat Patty Millers went toSaint Mary's. I wasn't sure where Pepev
went to college. So nice work, but you Sha Madar enjoy Round two
of the NBA Draft, We'll beback to my recapping it right here on
another additional Picks and Roll. ThePicks and Roll podcasts can be found on
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Picks and Roll, Handicapping the Hardwoodwith Sixers insider Sean Bernard and Sean Brace.
Let's go, we got something totalk about and a good afternoon,
everybody, another edition of Picks handRoll right here on the Gambler. NBA
Draft Round one last night, Roundtwo tonight. Yeah, and you know
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what, I want to commend theNBA for actually giving us something else to
watch besides what else is on televisionthis evening. We'll leave that alone for
now because we've got a lot todiscuss as far as the Sixers are concerned.
As always six Ers insider for ushere on the Gambler, the Great
Cha Bernard, I am Sean Brace, Sean so many ways to start.
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Let's just you know, I wantto ask you this question, Seau Minard,
as our resident young man here onthe State. Hit me all right,
just curious here A tweet popped upmy timeline. I always get myself
in trouble when I click on theuh for you tabs. A gentleman who
doesn't really oosee too much coolness onhis profile pick. But I'm not going
(01:11):
to judge a book by its cover, he says, hilarious to me to
Watch. Forty year olds called JaredMcCain corny because of his tiktoks. My
man, you period are period,old period. The fact that you think
it's corny is exactly what makes itcool. Shah Bernard, he's talking to
me here. I'm an old man. I don't think tiktoks are cool.
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I hated the dancing scheme. Ohit's cringe. It is the whole Look
at me, Look at me.I get it different day and age understood.
Still don't tell me it's not cringe. Still, don't tell me it's
cool. But I digress. Iapologize. This is a question for you.
Are tiktoks cool? Like you're theyoung guy here? Really are they
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cool? How do you give you? So it's it's interesting. So I'm
twenty four years old, right,and I like am very much on the
borderline of this cusp. Like Ican speak to my college experience, for
like, when I got to college, there was none of this, and
by like the time I was likea senior in the tail end of college.
It's like wild to me that,like, and I played soccer,
So guys were bringing in like wehad a kid that came in with a
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legitimate TikTok following and that was histhing and all that, and it was
like, like, I don't Ican't hate on it. It doesn't bother
me. It's just it doesn't connectwith my brain either. So I feel
you. And for the Jared McCainconversation, the bottom line is this dude's
at Hooper and I think people shouldbuy into that. But yeah, I
it doesn't quite connect with me either. I'm used to it, have seen
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plenty of it and kind of knowthat is the way of the world,
but not something that I would say, who's his coolness, even though there
are people that certainly look at itthat way. Well, I'm glad I
asked you this. And it's funny. We're just having a joke. We're
gonna get to the NBA conversation justsecond, I promise you, and I
don't even care about any of that, just just so we're on record.
I think it's funny. Yeah,dude is locked up in a hotel room
traveling. He's doing like, allright, he's got time to kill man.
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He's funny. We'll get into allthat, but just staying with whether
or not it's cool or not,it is interesting and I'm glad I asked
you just because like here I am, I'm thinking, oh, you know,
this is a twenty four to twentyfive year old thing. It's really
not. It's even younger than that. And Jerreed McCain is how old right
now? Shan Bannard twenty correct,So this is the thing where it's like,
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you know, it's a whole differentballgame even younger. With social media
and TikTok and all that. Heyman, he's worked up a hell of
a following. He deserves a tonof credit as we are in the engagement
farming community, so we know thatit takes a lot to get those followers.
All right, now, let's getto the basketball side and all that
can be included. Let's just talkwhat one last on that, Like every
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prospect and player has their issues,Like would you rather be talking about a
potential distraction for a dude that's hangingwith the wrong crowd or you know,
has gotten into some off court stuffwhere maybe his habits aren't the best.
I can live with TikToker, withsome of the other some of these other
options that we've seen pop up fromnow the time, I get like,
you know, everyone's got their distractiondevices, hobbies however you want to put
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it, TikTok one not too badin the ground. The grand scheme of
thing here, it's the number twooverall. Pick just what two years ago
was being discussed dropping a gun offyou know, so and so forth.
So, Yeah, we gotta behonest with it. Yeah, the kid
likes Panic at the disco. Ilove it. That's a great song.
You know it's it's really catchy andyou know, darn well you sing that
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every time you hear it in thecar. Anyways, let's talk about the
basketball player first. Of all sixerson the clock, the board's playing out
all sorts of wildness. There's playersavailable that are really, you know,
have great potential. Of course,Dalton Connect is a name that we discussed.
I didn't think Dalton Connect was fallingout of the top ten. There
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he was. I think Dalton Connectcomes in and a commediately help a team.
There are more plus is to hisgame. But this is the one
guy that was right there and ofcourse immediately taken by the Lakers following them
Jeed McCain. Can he step inday one and help this team? What
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are his strengths? What are hisweaknesses. Yeah, I think the answer
to that is yes, that hecan step in in day one, from
day one and help the Sixers team. I won't lie to you and say
at the moment, I was rootingfor Dalton Connect to be the pick,
and I do think that's more ofan immediate impact player. But Jared McCain's
a little bit of swings both directionsthat he can be a day one impact
guy. His shooting is going tobe a defining quality at the NBA level
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from day one. He truly islike a high level, elite shooter.
Shot forty one point four percent fromthree this year on high volume. We're
talking over five attempts per game.He had I believe it was eight games
this year where he made multiple threepointers. He hit eight three pointers against
JMU and the tournament lit them upfor thirty plus points, score twenty two
in the first half. He's gotlike a level of shooting that can change
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a game, like there will bemoments this year which Jad McCain comes in
rips four or five three pointers anda half and every turns on its head.
He's that level of shooter. Theskepticism comes with playing with Tyrese Maxey
and sharing the floor. He issix foot three, he is not.
I don't have much optimism that there'sthat much growth there. He's done,
got a strong frame, he competes. I think he's more passable defensively than
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people give him credit. And theother side of things is like he's gonna
be a guy that grows in thelong term. And from the Sixers' perspective
here with so much, so manyquestions for where this roster is going,
I do think part of the calculuswas leaning into if we need to repackage
this guy in a trade. JadedMcCain's a more universal prospect than a guy
like Dalton Connect. But I'm happywith him. I want to see him
in a Sixers uniform and do hopehe sticks around. So I do think
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I ultimately give it a B plus, but very happy with the pick.
I like that definitely, something thatI did not come across. Got to
think down the road if there isa package deal. This obviously moves the
need a little bit more than DunkConnect. Dunc Connect fell for a reason.
Of course, he's a little older. You know, there's plenty of
minuses that you can mix in forDunk connects, as I just said,
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with the age one supposedly the agenttoo. And you know what, he's
played five years of college basketball.This was his best season. I did
like his game, and again puttingthat to the side, it's not even
about dult Connect, it's just reallythe The reason why I bring that up
is because, you know me,we did a show this whole season.
I was a fan. I watchedTennessee. I almost bought Dalt Connect's jersey
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up a d H Gate after thetournament. And the reason why was because
I said, if Tennessee when wewere filling out our bracket, I had
Tennessee going to the final four ifI'm not mistaken, or ELEAD eight,
and I said, if Dual Connectwins gets him to the final four,
I'll buy his jersey. You know, look, there's obvious reasons why I
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would like his game, so onand so forth. But he was a
baller. McCain is too, though, and it's about fit with this team,
and it's specifically with Tyrese MAXI.The fit there we're talking about he's
coming in starting at the two,is like, where what happens next?
Jared McCain if he is with thisteam come September, come October game one
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NBA regular season. Is he immediatelystarting? Is he that good? Does
he have to work into it?Give us the projection right now with McCain
in a six Ers year one,so obviously the Sixers still have a lot
of work to do in the rosterand that's going to change this to an
extent. I think ultimately it's morelikely that he is more of a six
man, come off the bench typeguy, at least in the short term.
I do definitely see a world wherehe grows into a starting caliber guard.
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I think he's more cut from thatcombo guard type frame than a true
point guard. But the thing thatI will give him credit for far more
than the one point nine assist pergame that he produced, that like indicates
he's a guy that knows how torun an offense, Like he has a
feel for when he needs to getguys involved, when he needs to get
his own, when it's his timeto take over. There is like that
true like point guard slash leader feelthat you have to his game. That's
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really impressive. That even dates backto his high school tape and stuff like
that. Where he's been he's hadsuccess at every single level he's played at.
He is a guy that seems tobe a leader of men to an
extent, which I don't think peopleare giving him enough credit for. He
so like, I think there's aworld where him and Tyrese Maxi neither one
of them end up being true pointguards, but they can do like the
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combo guard type role together. Andagain, I do think he's a better
defender than he's gotten credit. Iget he's six foot three, but he's
competitive, he's strong, he's physical. I like the way that he plays
on both ends of the floor.So I see a world where him and
Maxi work together far more than peopleare giving it credit. A lot of
positives on the timeline. You don'tsee that often with the sixteenth overall pick.
Everybody come into agreement, and I'mnot gonna sit here and say it
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was universe so, but a lotof people I respect when it comes to
the college basketball game. One gentleman'sbeen on this show, Brian Bievo.
He is a Duke fan. Hesaid he fits the system so much more
than Dalton connect the perfect compliment toMaxie. That backcourt quote will have the
highest aura in the NBA Philly wantsa guy who hustles, lays it all
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on the line and gives it.You know what, this is the one
I love that of course, MarkHenry Junior waking up and saying something like
along the longs that he had dreamsabout him last night. Yeah, he
was his number one option from startto finish. Mark Henry Junior. Interesting,
what was I I guess I shouldcall up Mark? But what was?
What was this big reason why?So a lot of Mark's mindset here
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is like when you look at theSixers shortcomings and year in year out,
it's never been their defense. Likefor the concerns about the defensive situation here,
it's always been they don't have enoughways to score the ball. They
don't have enough other options. That'swhat Jared McCain's gonna be able to do
from day one. Like his shootingis a defining trait that will keep him
at the NBA level. You canhave questions about the other stuff if you
can play make at a high enoughlevel. If he is defensively an issue,
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He's a very good rebounding guard forhis size to fight, being just
six foot three average five rebounds pergame, and like you felt those rebounds
that like he's in the mix.They're tough, physical, he plays hard
like it's It is kind of funnyto me that he is like this TikTok
paint his nails kind of poster boy, because if you just watch him play
like he is all hustle, heis all hard, He's leaving it out
there, You're like, from startto finish, that dude is locked in
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playing basketball high level, which Ilove to see. So from Mark's perspective,
I think he's very much buying inon the offense, and there's good
reason for that to be the case. So what was the mock draft?
I was having a We just talkedabout this for the past week and then
some What were some of the mocksthat had him It was a shock that
he fell right, Yeah, Iknow, Maury said they had him pegged.
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This is a top ten pick.He was kind of mocked in the
range. I saw several mocks havinghim connected to the sixers. I do
think it's a fit there. Iwould it wouldn't have been a shock if
he went like eighth or ninth inthis draft. Also wouldn't have been a
complete shock if he felt a littlebit Further, I saw him as late
as nineteen and some but he wasvery much in this Sixers range, So
not a huge surprise there. Ido think you should have been off the
board sooner than when the Sixers pickedhim, so happy he wasn't around for
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sure, the fourth Duke freshman guardtaking top twenty in the NBA draft.
Ever, that's something to say there, and yeah, look, it's it's
really eye opening when Daryl Morey andI'll give him some truth, I'll give
him some credit when he does speakthe truth, and he does a lot.
I don't think he holds back.You have to at times, but
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there's been plenty of situations over theyears that Darryll moriy is out on the
radio airwaves and spit the truth,and of course podcasts so and so forth.
Then I thought he was telling thetruth last night with what you just
said. We had him pegged atthe top ten pick. He fell.
It was a no doubt and Ilove that, like they got their guy
at the end of the day.Correct, Yeah, I think so.
And the way that Mary talks abouthim. For sure, there are the
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trade implications and like obviously this couldchange if the right operatunity presents itself,
but he certainly was not talking aboutMcCain and is a guy that they picked
as like, you know, anasset or a guy that they look to
be moving on that there was agreat deal of excitement of Maury speaking that
we believe this guy can make ayear one impact, we have some higher
hopes for him beyond. And doyou want a really crazy stat here to
get excited about for starters, Youlook at the per one hundred numbers.
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It's pretty much identical to what DevinBooker produced in college. And this stat
right here, this is from DavidMurphy. He says there are two freshmen
in NCAA history with a sixty onepoint one percent plus true shooting percentage,
two hundred and ten plus three pointattempts and one hundred and fifty plus rebounds.
Those players are Jared McCain and StephCurry. Damn, damn. Yeah,
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it is a hell of a statall right again, you know,
look, no one's gonna talk well, take that back, because everyone does
have a take on it. Buta lot more people are going to blow
this up and and make him outto be a great selection and all that.
And the size is definitely a littlebit of an eye opener. But
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if he's there the shoot at theend of the day, that's all that
matters, and he is, hejust fills it up. Steph Curry's a
hell of a camp. Is therea comp in your mind? I know
people get frustrated and upset when wethrow that out there, good creef.
I can only imagine his mentions afterthat. What's your comp though? What
were you saying about him on theway into this draft? Yeah, I've
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seen some Seth Kerry comps. That'sa little bit more light there. I
think he's more physically commanding than Seth, Like he's way more physical. He's
like when you watch Jared McCain drivethe basketball. He's like a contact initiator
that he's putting his shoulder down.He's getting into guys. He can finish
across all angles, and defensively,he's really impactful, like he had over
a steal per game. His handsare active and he's physically imposing again,
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like he's getting up in your space. Here to give an NBA player,
Fred Van Fleet's probably the number oneguy that I see some and for what
it's worth, there was a greatdeal of success with Fred van Fleet under
Nick Nurrison Toronto. So a prettygood comp there, if that's something that
makes sense. I think van Fleet'sprobably the closest thing. But I do
think he's a little bit like avery unique blend of a basketball player.
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So I think he's a there's nota perfect player to truly model his game
after all. Right, Well,a lot still up in the air.
We don't know what's next as faras how they're filling this team out.
Plenty of roster spots available, coulda trade take place. I definitely do
agree. I see the vision alittle bit more that you can possibly pack
a chim up a little bit moreenticing for general managers out there than a
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guy like don't connect with which kindof needed to win win now mode.
One thought, though, I dowant to put this out there with all
the other nonsense that is following him. Look at this day and age.
Nothing scares me, nothing shocks me. Kids fun like Caleb Williams. Same
thing, you know, Williams.The one thing that bothered me about Williams
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is he would draw fu like againstthe team he was playing. I'm like,
come on, man, you don'tneed that, Like that's a little
over the top, but you wantto paint your nails. I don't care.
I will say this though, Ididn't really see anybody losing their mind
over it. It's just funny howthat works on social media. You know.
First thing is like, oh,w ip, callers is gonna field?
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Who cares? Like please, Like, I've had enough of that radio
station and I'm wrenching them right now. Who cares what they say? We
know those callers are idiots. Whatever. The other thing that hits me is
like, I didn't see anybody say, like your pages now, I don't
want that guy on my team whatever. I just want to put this out
there, like we think we're bigand bad here in Philly, and I
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understand, you know, being apart of it for the last twenty plus
years, we can be That dudeplayed basketball at Duke and did all of
that. So I got news foryou, all right, He's heard everything
and then some from the Carolina fans, from the NC State fans, for
anybody else in college basketball. SoI'm pretty sure he's comfortable in his skin.
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I'm not concerned about that. I'mexcited. Kids got you know,
some some some riz to him,right you know, I think I could
say that here and he can fillit up. So that's what I'm really
excited about. We'll see what happensnext. For the seventy six ers.
We're gonna talk about round two,but before we do that, let's go
ahead and keep it going as faras round one from last night. First
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things first, Sean, I like, normally I'm one of these guys that
pushes back all this is gonna bea terrible drive. Class Da da da
dah. You hear that a lot, and it's like, all right,
you tell me these sort of thingshold up, like we know darn well.
At the end of the day,there's thirty players pick. There's gonna
be a couple players that produced that. Nobody thinks there's gonna be a couple
players that are kind of duds thatpeople expected a little bit more from so
on and so forth. Dude,I don't know. I think they might
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be spot out. With this draftclass one overall pick, there was zero
buzz, Like, what are wetalking about with the number one overall pick?
Is he a good player? Whywas there not like more build up
behind him? Are we lazy?Because he was across seas like what's happening
there That is crazy. Nobody evenknows how to pronounce his name except for
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you, which you correctly did lastweek. Yeah, so Zachary resa Che
is the dude's name here played overin France. And by the way,
even last night we have shout outFrank Mason, who I love, an
old school Kansas player who I believehe had a cup of coffee in the
NBA but was never able to stickaround. But him tweeting out immediately after
the draft of Frank Mason playing inthe same league in France right now and
just said that young man is notthe number one pick in the NBA draft.
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So pretty funny. There not agreat design either. The bigger storyline.
To me, I'm not a guythat's a Resa schet. I think
he's fine. He's very You're gonnaknow exactly what he is to an extent
as a role that he's gonna bea three and D guy. He's a
six foot ten shooter that can defendpretty well on ball, but that's about
it. That he's not gonna betaking guys off the drubble. He's not
gonna be playmaking and to me,like I think that's kind of shortsighted that
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that's the number one overall pick you'regoing with there. I think the bigger
story storyline as it pertains to theHawks is they essentially got bullied out of
taking who's perceived as the best playerin this draft in Alex sar who refused
to work out for Atlanta. Ifind it really strange that he did all
this effort to force himself to theWashington Wizards, of all places that I
think you just want to objectively lookat it, like the Hawks aren't a
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model of how you want to runa franchise, but I think they got
a leg up from Washington based onpast results, So I was kind of
surprised by that. I don't loveReesa chet. I still think this draft
has a lot of guys that stillwill have impactful careers, but this is
certainly a role player draft. There'sno doubt about it. Yeah. Look,
I'm not Steven a. I'm notpaid twenty five million to get on
television and go who, which wascrazy, But the world we live in,
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I just was there was a lotof players that I was like,
first of all, I'm the onething that hit me last night was how
big is Monica McNutt. She wasas tall as half of those guys out
there. I know she played well, and I'm pretty sure she is a
little tall, But at the endof the day, like some of these
guys weren't really all that big,and then you see the videos and you're
like, all right, who arehappy these guys? Even Tansy was checking
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in and Joe Tansey notes college basketball. So there were a lot of foreign
players taken. What is your takeon France right now? I think four
players were taken in last last night'sfirst round. Of course with Wimby last
year. Yeah, between we knowthere are French players in the NBA,
but to have that many taken inthe first round that was eye opening.
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What's your take on that? Yeah, three of the first six players selected
coming from France there, that beingzacharyrisa Che, Alex Saar, and then
t Jan Salon down at six toCharlotte. There there was a ton of
international options last night, and Ido think like that speaks to the growth
of basketball. This is not anovernight takeover that it has certainly been trending
this direction. I think even movingforward're gonna look at almost half and half
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like America versus International. When youlook at the selection, I don't think
this is something that is changing.I think there'sn't been that much growth overseas.
And it's also there's guys that likelike Alex Sar for example, here
is an American born player who tookhis talents to France that he bounced around
and that was the path to thedraft that he elected to take. There's
guys like that as well. SoI think that just speaks to the growth
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of basketball and it's something that Idon't see is changing. So maybe the
scouting's got to catch up a little, get a little more widespread or whatever.
But I think that's just what we'relooking at. This is gonna sound
stupid, that's all right, I'llhold back. Is it all one league
over there? Like did Wimby playagainst all these guys last year? Some
of them it's not as directly connectedfrom that. Like to Jean Salon,
who's the guy who went six tothe Charlotte Hornets, he's the guy who
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played with Wemby that they have arelationship. I don't believe on the professional
team that they played together, butthey had been training together in France and
kind of grew up playing in thebasketball circles together, so there are some
connections there. That's a large reasonwhy there was some talking points with Recichet
too, is they at least hadsome sort of relationship with Wemby and him
going to the Spurs that type ofthing. So not quite as linear.
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There's a lot more like higher levels, lower levels of leagues and that type
of things overseas. So you gotto kind of do your research on each
individual one, but it will beinteresting to see how that filters out.
All right, let's go to thedraft last night reached Shepherd third overall.
When that selection happened, what wasyour immediate reaction. I think he's a
good fit for Houston. Fred vanFleet, who I just mentioned as a
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McCain comp he's down there on apretty short term deal at this point,
so I think read Shepherd is goingto be essentially the long term Fred van
Fleet replacement. Shepherd's a guy that, like in a draft full of uncertainties,
you know what his role in whathe can do is type thing.
He's the guy that is McCain's competitionfor the best shooter in this year's draft,
and they do a lot of similarthings. I honestly believe in McCain's
defense a little more, But thereis an argument to be made at Shepherd
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is another level of like just shooterand a guy that like offensively that he
can create off the dribble a littlemore, a little better playmaker. And
there are people that would fight meon that that defense. Take that.
I think Shepherd's a little bit moreof a steals in blocks merchant that he
does get his hands in jumps,passing lanes. He's not as much of
a slide your hips, move yourfeet and stick with the guy as I
think McCain will do. But Ithink it is a good fit for Houston.
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I if either Resa che or Sawhad fallen, I think they would
have gone in that direction, butit doesn't didn't make a ton of sense
for them to go with Klanion there, and we saw him slide a little
bit, So I like that forHouston. Shepherd could possibly end up in
Phoenix. Could happen, you neverknow, could happen now And and the
one eye opening deal with Shepherd waswhen Ryan beef Coyle at the Combine was
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putting some stats out and like,wait, what didn't you have the highest
vertical at the compline and like thedude, you have fifty two from three
this year, Like that's crazy number, that's stupid, That's just stupid.
Yeah, so of course if you'rean NBA general manager you want that.
But we'll see if he's able todo it at the next level. Castle
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from Yukon a hell of a pickthere. Ron Holland Clinging falls to seventh
to the Blazers. Dillingham was aguy that dropped a little bit. I
know some people were possibly talking abouthim being picked a little higher and then
the surprise of the night Zach Edytop ten. We discussed it a couple
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of months ago where we were debatingwhether or not first round he goes top
and Sean Bernard out of all thosenames, I just threw your way,
what was the one that caught yourattention to most? Yeah, I think
you nailed it bringing up Edie there. And probably the talking point to this
is there was a ton of smokeleading up to the draft for Memphis' interest
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in Donovan Klinging. Clinging ultimately gotpicked one selection before going to the Portland
Trailblazers. I do think that theyneed a big man down there in Memphis
that Jaron Jackson Jr. Plays hisbest version of basketball when there's a true
center behind him where he can bekind of more of that roaming power forward.
So they went with Zach Edy.Is that version that guy. I
think Klingon would have been a muchcleaner fit, a guy that would have
been a just straight up better basketballplayer for that team. I'm very interested
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to see what the ed experiences.I am a Zach Edy believer in the
long term, but I think he'sa guy that like is very niche in
the way that you can use him. He was the guy approaching the draft
that it was the widest range ofwhere he could be selected. I did
not think we'd be hearing him getpicked in the top ten by any means.
The ultimate beauty is in the eyeof the beholder, right, Like
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I could talk myself into Edie withthe sixers at sixteen, not even fixers
put that to the side. Butas high as sixteen, as high as
fifteen, I didn't see top ten. I did not see top ten.
So somebody fell in love with somemetrics and look the fit, right,
Like, okay, you got size. You immediately have some serious size down
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there at the rim, and defensively, that's going to be tough for teams.
You know, I just need alittle bit more from a top ten
pick. I don't know, we'llsee. I am fascinated by that selection.
And of course to Memphis Grizzlies,I think that's a pretty smart organization.
They built a nice team. Theygot John Moran. Is that gonna
work out for them? In yourmind, They're gonna have to find a
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way to make it work like Edie'sgonna be. I think the best way
to use him is probably as likea guy off the bench who's an ultimate
change the pace for the game,like a guy that's a bruiser that you
throw in there for five to tenminutes. Give him a couple of touches
in the post, let him usehis size. You cannot teach seven foot
four, and he does have likelegitimate, nice touch around the basket.
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It's he's not just big, likethere is some aspect to skill that he
has good free throw shooter for hissize, which is really rare hubbed around
eighty percent there. There is somehope he can develop a little bit of
a jump shot because of those reasons. So I think we will have the
zach Edy Knights where he pours ina nice like eighteen and ten in a
short period of time. It's justgonna be the NBA adjusting to Zach Edy
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as much as Zach Edy he's adjustingto the NBA like that. It's a
good call by you, all right. Then we go to the teams,
and you know, we got Serbia, we got g Lee, We got
Cody Williams from Colorado, who wasa hell player. Colorado had the two
players drafted in the first round,and that was something we discussed heading into
Mark's madness with the eyes on Colorado. They played in the first four and
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they had two top twenty picks.That's pretty cool at the end of the
day. And then you go intoProvidence in Pittsburgh with Carter and Carrington,
both of them really good players.I'm more familiar with Devin Carter than I
am Bub Carrington, But your thoughtson the fifth with their with their where
they ended up. I really dolike Carter with Sacramento though, Yeah,
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I really liked the Carter pick forSacramento. We saw last year how impactful
Kean Ellis was for that Kings team, being like a defensive minded guard,
especially playing off guys like Daron Fox, and you have a big man like
Domas Simonis who's never going to bea huge plus defender. There. Having
these types of like guard that imposedhimself is really appealing to me. And
I think Devin Carter to an extentis like a more evolved version of Kean
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Ellis that I think he's going tobe even more physical, even more commanding
as a rebounder, and a guythat can still shoot the ball pretty well.
So I really like that fit forSacramento. And Bob Carrington probably the
guy that was the biggest riser inthis entire draft that he was basically talked
about as like a fringe first roundpick for most of this By the time
leading up to last night, likeit was pretty much set in stone he
(27:25):
was going to be a lottery pick, which was surprising to me. Spent
one year at Pittsburgh. I believehe's the youngest guy in the draft.
If not, he's one of theyoungest. He's still eighteen years old,
spent one and done at pitt ranmore pick and rolls than anybody in all
of college basketball last year. Twelvepoint six per game, which he produced
at over one point one points perpossession. Really high efficiency there, And
(27:45):
if we're just going to call itlike that, if you can produce it
that level of pick and roll atthe NBA level, there's a place for
you. He's six' five,He's got a little bit of springiness and
athleticism to him. I do likeBob Carrington, so cool to see him
rise as much as he did.I didn't fully expect to hear his name
there, but shout out to thebub for getting all the way up to
fourteen there. What a name lovethat name too, great name and true.
Name's Carlton. He goes by bub. I give him far more style
(28:08):
points by going by bub. Forsure. He's higher on my list of
Bob Carrington than Carlton Carrington for sure. A sha bnard all thinks picks and
roll. We're talking about. We'llget to the sixers in the second round.
Here, we'll put a bow onthe first round. Biggest surprise from
last night was what biggest surprise?Probably Zach Edie. If I'm gonna go
a little bit different, Madas buzzellsfalling all the way down to eleven I
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was really surprised by I think that'sa cool place for him. He's a
Chicago kid, so gets to stayout there represent the Bulls, and that's
the type of swing that the Bullsshould be taking that. I think there's
a whirl where this guy can turninto an All Star, which I think
there's several names above him that Idon't feel that way about. So surprised
to see him fall all the wayout of the top ten. I think
the Bulls got a good one inBuzzell's there, all right. Next question
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is is there another Villanova player thatthe New York Knicks can draft? Is
that? Is there any Nova playersmore than that kid? Best available right
here, right now? Second roundgets started this evening, best available in
your mind, probably Kyle Philipowski wouldbe my answer there. Jad McCain's teammate
at Duke. I think people havesoured on him a little bit more than
probably should be the case. Thatwas my hot take prediction leading into last
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night is that he would fall outof the first round completely. That ultimately
did prove to be the case there, But I do think like he will
be a guy that finds his rolein the NBA there's enough supplementary skills that
he's just a smart player knows whatto do with the basketball. There are
concerns about like the positional fit andall that, but I like him.
I also throw a little bit oflove to Johnny Furfey, who I'm pretty
fond of. He's only eighteen.He's another guy who's like a home run
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swing that's gonna take a couple ofyears, but pretty crazy athletic, shockingly
athletic for a dude that like doesnot look the part by any means,
but he is real deal size,can shoot it a little bit. He
had a really hot stretch which reallyinflated his draft stock and kind of cooled
off after. But Johnny Furfey andKyle Philipowski probably my top options there Where
was Spilpowski mocked in like late teensto early t twenties was kind of the
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general consensus there. He did seemto be a guy circled as a potential
follower, but I saw a lotand especially throughout all of the season,
he was expected as like a fringelottery late lottery type guy. Yeah.
Look, there were games with Dukethis past year that I bit my tongue
that I didn't hit send on thosetweets, but I do like I did
like him. I did, Yeah, I thought he played really well with
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Duke, and he was hungry andhe was a man against boys in some
games. The next level's tough though, right Like I can't sit here.
I felt more passionate about Grayson Allentough comp obviously Duke. That's the reason
why I'm bringing it up. ButI was a little bit more vocal on
Grayson Allen being at the next level. I don't know if I see it
all that much. Absolutely different players, different positions, all that. But
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I've really bit my tongue in Philipotsky. We'll see where he ends up,
and ultimately I'm sure he can play, but the situation is going to matter
really a lot with him and wherehe ends up. All right, So
kicking off the second round here,let's see here, rounds a number two
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coming your way, and we openup with Toronto, Utah, Milwaukee,
the Blazers. The Philadelphia seventy sixers will go eleventh in round number two,
which is a forty one overall.I'm not gonna ask you to give
me a player, but where doyou think they should target if there's anything
as the best available at this pointin time in your mind, is there
a player off the top of yourmind that you want to see them go
(31:30):
and get. How do you approachthat pick? Should they trade up and
go get a guy? Yeah,I don't think they'll trade up. I
think they're gonna sit pretty and makea pick here. The Darryl Moury thought
process behind drafting is essentially you sitback and let the best available player come
to you, and whoever that is, you take. And we saw another
example of that last night with JaredMcCain. That was the Tyrese Maxi pick,
that Jaden Springer pick. That's theway that Moury kind of drafts.
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So I don't expect anything different here. I think you take a little bit
more of a home run swing inthe second round, which is a non
guaranteed deal. You can cause controlthat a little better, and ultimately you
got your guy that you expect tobe an immediate impact player in Jared McCain.
I like swinging for the fence alittle bit here. A couple of
names. I like if Bobby Clintman'son the board from Sweden, I would
love him played a year at WakeForest. I actually fell in love with
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his game. At that point.He was only like a five point per
game scorer, but he was justall over the place. He's long,
he's got like seven to four wingspan or something crazy that he doesn't feel
all the way coordinated. But he'sa guy that is intriguing as like that
arc type of a true wing player. Tyler Smith from the G League Knights
interesting. Kevin mccullor junior from Kansasis intriguing. Justin Edwards out of Kentucky
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I think would probably be the topname that I would throw out there is
he's a player that I think isgoing to out perform his draft slot by
a pretty significant margin. It wouldn'thave shocked me if he snuck into the
first round last night. But Edwardswas a dude who was one of the
top five recruits in last year's classand was outplayed by his own teammates and
Rob Dillingham and Reed Shepherd. SoI think Dillingham, I mean, I
think Justin Edwards has a game thattranslates better at the NBA level than college.
(32:58):
So that's a name that I probablyhave circled for sure all right,
got the draft, We're off andrunning here and summer league right around the
corner, and then who knows mantraining camp fast approaching, all that and
more. All right, anything elsefrom the NBA Draft you want to get
off your chest, sixers or leaguewide, nothing too crazy for me.
I think, like last night wasnobody had any clue. There were a
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couple of late swings that I wasdisappointed in. Some second round targets that
I had penciled in for the Sixers, Pacome dott Yacht that was drafted by
the Knicks, Dylan Jones by theWizards. AJ Johnson evens intriguing, and
Jalen Tyson, who I knew isMark Henry Junior's guy. So I think
there was a Baylor Shyman I love. There was a late swing of picks
that I was a little frustrated whenoff the board, but you know,
(33:42):
it is what it is. SixYou's got Jared McCain, so we can't
complain too much. Good pick bythe Celtics to close out round one.
Definitely, I love Shyman. Hewas didn't have a lot of first round
buzz, so he was a guythat I think I was personally higher on
than consensus. He's a winner.He's gonna find a way to stick in
the NBA, makes all the rightplays and shoots the ball and credibly well
a nice little lefty stroke there.So I like Shireman, And when you
win the championship, you can goahead and take swings like that at thirty
(34:06):
overall and you know, we'll seehow it plays off for the Celtics.
All right, NBA as a whole, you and I didn't ok yesterday.
So the Nicks go out and getmikel Bridges where we're at right now with
that, with that move, andof course Og signs the deal man.
They're all in Sean And it's notlike I see it both ways, right,
(34:29):
Like I can definitely take a shotat it. I could tell you
that. Yeah, like you're allin and you got some good players,
but you're banking on chemistry at theprofessional level, where in my mind,
you need all stars. You needguys that are just superstars out there.
They have a lot of really goodplayers. They raise their value this past
year. They played to heights thatpeople didn't think Dante de Vincenzo could play
(34:52):
at, and of course Josh Hart. But will they be there this upcoming
season. I think they will beI do. I believe in that chemistry.
I believe that fighting for each other. I believe that Michael Bridge is
a better player than when he waswith Phoenix versus what he was with Brooklyn.
And there's a reason because Brooklyn stinks. But now you're putting him in
the garden with that team, Ithink he's going to raise his level.
(35:13):
Of course, you have to addin the injury factor. Can your bank
on bruntson being healthy for the entiretyof the season plus og, Like I
said, you can take shots.But at the end of the day,
they were moving in the right direction, and I think this move pushes them
even more in that direction. Wheredo you stand on that move? Yeah,
I totally get it. Michal Bridgeis a very good player and a
(35:34):
guy that you can plug and playon any basketball team in the planet,
any NBA team, any like he'sgoing to fit his role. I am
a little skeptical the more I digestedit, of like, you just traded
a lot for McHale Bridges, Who'sa guy who definitely is not a top
twenty NBA player, probably not evenlike a top thirty, top forty if
we really want to dive into andgetting all the names there, He's good.
(35:54):
He's going to be more important tothe Knicks than he would have been
in a lot of locations. It'sfrustrating for the Sixers angle of is this
is another like potential option that ispulled off the plate here by Bridges being
sent to New York. But Ido think that essentially they've built like a
role player super team, and Iam a little skeptical of that being like
championship material there that I really ama believer that you need a top sick
(36:15):
player in the NBA to win achampionship, and I don't see one on
the roster. And even Jalen Brunson, as good as he is, I
don't think he can go any higherthan was the case last year. That
was the peak Jalen Brunson for me. He might be able to maintain that,
but the bottom line, he's notgonna grow overnight. And I don't
think either of these guys are likethe ideal sidekick either. Like the Gambles,
essentially, they think Bridges can bea number two in a championship team.
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I don't know if I fully feelthat way. I think his best
role is as a number three ona team, and I don't think Devin
Chnz of Our Heart are even playingto level aighted last year or better than
that moving forward. So I ama little skeptical of this next team.
I respect that they did swing forthe fences and continue to get better after
having the success in the playoffs,but you're banking on a lot of chemistry
and everything clicking for this team toreally achieve the heights that they're hoping.
(36:58):
Role players Super Team put it ona T shirt. I like that.
If they do get the job done, I would imagine there's gonna be a
parade up there on the main line. It's crazy that all these nova players
are there. It's just shocking.They're definitely going for it, and for
a team that hasn't been worth thedamn for years up until recently. Yeah,
(37:19):
I could. I understand it.I get it, and they're all
in. They were able to makeit happen because of the contracts and brunch
and not taking that crazy amount ofmoney, and you connect the dots.
It's surprising that they were able tokeep Og. That's a big deal.
If he could stay healthy of coursethat's his big you know, his big
X mark on him. But bottomline is I get it, and I'm
(37:42):
definitely entertained by it, but Idon't know if it's going to get you
to a championship. Yeah, that'swhere that's like, are we talking about
the second round? Are we talkingabout winning it all? And and like,
I get it. It's a greatstory and it will definitely have us
entertained and tuned in, and itlooks like it's a lot of fun to
play for the Knicks, But whenit comes to playoff time, are we
(38:04):
talking about a team that can wina championship? Long way to go till
we get into that conversation, butright here, right now, still some
questions that need to be answered.Bam, three years, one sixty six
with the Miami Heat. Yeah,you know, it's not surprising. It's
just dude, the contracts that theseplayers are getting are crazy. Now,
(38:27):
that's the the eye opener. It'slike, you know, Jason Capono when
he played for the Sixers, there'sa pool I just used to laugh because
this was my I always go towhen he played. He came off the
bench barely and he made like sixpoint five million dollars. I'm like,
that's the job I want. Iwant that job. Jason Capono comes out
of retirement, steps on the floor. He's making twenty million to do what
he did in that season. It'scrazy, a lot of money to be
(38:52):
made right now. But BAM's adamn good player too though. Yeah,
and for sure like a building blockfor that Heat team. I'm not shocked
by it. I've never been thebiggest Bam out of Bio guy. I
think that there are some limitations tohis game, Like I don't think he
can be a number one on ateam for sure, and I think probably
not a number two, like offensivelyfor sure, not he is an incredible
defender. I get that. Yougotta pay the man. The bigger story
(39:13):
to me is that there's still beenno progress on a Jimmy Butler extension while
BAM's getting his money there, andfor what it's worth, it's essentially was
reported straight up that Jimmy's just gonnaplay out the length of his contract this
year. So he's got forty eightpoint seven mil that he's making this year,
speaking of a ton of money,then a fifty two million dollar player
option for next year, so Butler'sgonna play out this season and see what
happens from there. So have thatone circle a little bit in our Star
(39:37):
watching kind of mindset. Apparently JimmyButler played in a poker tournament. I
saw that ended the winning. Yeah. Yeah, he ended up winning a
huge pot and then immediately cashed out, which is a no note. You
got to stick around a little bitand give the people at the table an
opportunity to maybe take some of thataway. But apparently Jimmy Butler had stepped
out on the money and then washanding money out and people were talking smack
(39:59):
about him at the table. It'sprobably not a good idea, but anyways,
Yeah, Jimmy Butler, I'm gonnaplay. And I never expected him
to force his way out of Miami. The hell do you want to leave
Miami for? You know, heis Miami. Yeah, I mean,
at the same time, I've givenup trying to figure out exactly what makes
Jimmy Butler beat either so he couldon a whim say, you know what,
(40:19):
I went back in Philadelphia. Iwant to go to Los Angeles or
whatever the case may be. Sohe is a wild card to that extense
and not fully rolling it out,but yeah, it does seem like he's
gonna be sticking to Miami at leastfor now. All right, final one
back over to sixers for me,And this is one thing that I said
yesterday. I get it. It'sthis time where we're gonna read everything and
we're going to believe everything as gospel. And I'm fine with that. Matter
of fact, I did say thisyesterday just so you know, I got
(40:42):
all care if Sean Benard hot onthese airways and told you this is what
he's hearing, like you can't believeeverything you're hearing at this point then And
I said that specifically to a reportthat was put out there I believe by
Kyle Knubeck that said that if there'snothing there, then Morey could do what
he's done years with Harden and Simmons, hold up, wait to the deadline,
(41:04):
get further into the season, whateverit may be. I know Harden
happened before the season, if I'mnot mistaken or you know first that was
two weeks. Yeah, yeah,early in the season, but Simmons was
later. And I get it.It makes sense, but it's frustrating to
read that and I don't know ifI'm giving that a thumbs up, by
no means like I want them togo out there and get players. But
(41:28):
if nothing is available and you planand you're gonna get fleeced, if you're
Darryl Moore, you can't so withthat report specifically, Is there any truth
behind that in your mind? Yeah, I mean I think that only happens
if, like the Sixers absolutely strikeout, like it's certainly plan as attack
right now, find a way tobuild this roster to contender. I also
(41:50):
kind of have a philosophical disagreement withMorrey's stance on like the deadlines when it's
a finished product. I think whenyou're moving as significant pieces of players like
James harden Order, like Jimmy Butleror Brandon Ingram or whoever the name may
be, takes a little time forthem to gel within the concept of a
team there. So I think it'simportant to have an entire season for guys
to figure out how to play witheach other. I think Maury more so
views it as you bring enough talentand they'll work itself out, which I
(42:15):
understand obviously you want more talent thannot, but I think it's a bit
more gambled, and he gives itcredit there. Ultimately, I think the
Sixers find a way to take somesort of half step. I continue to
hear a lot of brandon ingram smoke, and I still think ultimately that probably
ends up being part of the movethere. And let's also make note that
free agency does not officially begin untilMonday, so that's when I really expect
these talks to heat up. Forwhat the Sixer are gonna be doing there,
(42:37):
it's definitely possible, it's definitely notideal. I do think Morey's gonna
work every single option in every singlephone line to make sure that's not the
case. But if there's not anoffer of the table, and when you
consider guys like Michale Bridges are gettingfive first round picks and a pick swap,
like, it's tough to be superoptimistic on building a contender if that's
the going rate for some of theseplayers. Yeah, Julian Edla from DraftKings
(42:58):
joined me yesterdear and he was like, look I get Nova deal or the
nixt deal called Nova. But he'slike, the thing that hit me the
most was Crusoe didn't catch any picks, and yeah, Mikel Bridges and I
go, you know, thirty oneversus twenty six, twenty seven whatever Bridges
is. Yeah, still you wouldthink that they would have got something more
(43:20):
in return. It is crazy theygave up a ton for Bridges, a
ton to get him. But we'llsee how that plays out. Yeah.
Great. The other piece of thatthere is, like from the Sixers angle
when you are making these trades,is like the reason the Crusoe deal happened
is that the Bulls are a teamthat never wants to slip into that true
rebuild or true like being a badbasketball team that they believe in. Josh
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Getty can at least keep them afloata little bit. That's a young player
that was of interest to them.That's where the value comes in for drafting
a guy like Jared McCain who couldpotentially entice some of these teams, like
a team like Utah has spoken abouthow they don't want to get worse.
So if Lourie Markin is a namethat the Sixers have, circle picks,
aren't gonna be the overall deal thatenticed them. If Jared McCain's the guy
that they like, then all ofa sudden you get a little closer to
(44:06):
a massive deal happening there. SoI do think that there's value in players,
and we're seeing that a little bitmore that picks have to an extent
become my currency among NBA circles forpaying for guys. Players hold a little
bit different bargaining chip there. Sojust kind of food for the thought on
what teams they're looking for best inthe business. And he is our insider
for all things Sixers and the NBA. Right here in the Gambler, Sean
(44:29):
Bernard Shawn Underscore Bernard one is whereyou can find them on socials, picks
and Roll. You missed anything,get on over to FOXPHL Gambler dot com
where we have all of our podcastsavailable for you. Sean enjoyed nine two
of the NBA DREP. Don't changethe channel, keep it locked. ESPN.
There's two espns. I know,yeah, ESPO one. I watched
(44:52):
steven a for like Picks eleven throughseventeen, was like, is this really
their coverage? And I clicked it. I'm like, no, okay,
obviously it's not the other channel.A Malik had j billis had WOJ and
I'm like what I was stuck onsteven A's broadcast, and I feel for
(45:13):
Kevin de Gandhi, but that wasa tough watch man. That was I
was just like, what am Iwatching right now? And then the next
pick and steven A has no ideawhat he's talking about. Nothing. He
was just yelling the whole night,just yelling yeah, yeah, that's how
it goes. And also, bythe way, tough look or tough situation
for a guy like Kyle Philipowski forthe first time in history, gets invited
(45:34):
to the green room, goes allthe way without being drafted, and you
gotta come back the next day.That's tough. Do you do you really
have to go back? I don'tknow if you do. I saw a
video of him leaving that he lookedquite dejected and sad as expected. So
definitely feel for the guy for that. But a tough situation. I have
to sit through all thirty and nothear your name called there. Yeah,
you want to be part of theleague and you want to do right.
(45:59):
I'll tell you, man, there'sprobably like if you told me that I
wasn't a top ten pick, ifI knew I wasn't a top ten pick,
I'm probably staying home doing the familylike Zach Edy did it right.
Look like he was at the poolwith his boys. It looked fun.
It's supposed to be fun, andit will be fun. He's going to
be drafted. But like like yousaid, Philipowski, now is the Aaron
(46:21):
Rodgers of the draft, and it'slike, you don't want to be that,
and the dude's getting drafted. There'snothing negative, but yet we created
a negative because he went to thegreen room and he wasn't selected. It's
just it's tough. It's tough.But if I was an agent, I'd
probably say top ten cool, it'sup to you. Anything after that,
(46:42):
just go party with your family andthe people that mean the most. I
think that would probably be the bestthing for everybody. Yeah. I was
listening to the pat bevpod who waskind of talking about this pat with like
his draft day experience, and hewas talking about Patty Mills. Was like
insistent on I want to be atthe draft room. And Patty Mills ended
up like the fifty eighth we're allpickers something like that. So like barely
was selected, but he got hismoment if he got to walk up,
(47:04):
shake hands, do the pictures thewhole thing, and Pat was on the
other side of things being like,dude, I don't know if I'm hearing
my name call, like I don'twant to be there if that's not the
case, And ultimately, like hewas, he was also a second round
pick. But I see both sidesof it. Of like, that's obviously
a very special and cool moment ofhearing your name called, shaking hands,
putting the hat on, walking acrossthe stage, getting the full nine there,
But if it doesn't work out,like, it's a tough spot.
(47:25):
I would much rather have that likeemotional breakdown and in the like presence of
my family and myself rather than withcameras around and all that type of thing.
So it's tough. It's a it'sa win if you get picked.
It's a lost feed, don't It'sa tough situation to be it. Yeah,
it really is. Where did pepPev go to college? Uh?
Arkansas? Arkansas. Wow, that'sa good pull by you. Saint Mary's
(47:46):
a new pat Patty Millers went toSaint Mary's. I wasn't sure where Pepev
went to college. So nice work, but you Sha Madar enjoy Round two
of the NBA Draft, We'll beback to my recapping it right here on
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