February 13, 2021 • 54 mins
It's Not ok! Our teenagers are just as important as our first responders and essential workers. Their is a shared suffering that our teenagers are trying to deal with and they should not have to do it alone. Teen suicide and depression is on the rise. Adults have learned to cope and expect teens to do the same without the tools necessary. Paul Bunch from River Rock Film Studio in Hollywood, California shares the story of his son and his latest project "Alone." Paul recounts hearing his son tell him "It's not ok" and realizing as a father and an artist he had to do something.
Paul interviewed teenagers and what he found out will get your attention and make you realize we are neglecting our youth. Paul's project is a call to action. A wake up call to adults. We need to talk to our young men and women and let them know we are their advocates and we are suffering with them.
In the shared experience we can produce solutions that heal.
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Lyrics (00:01):
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Yeah, he came a long way I cando to do all came a long way
could do was, I could do all Ican do. I'm not afraid of the
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moment. I'm not afraid I can'thold it. I got to get up in the
morning. I gotta know I'm goingto take in whatever controllers
show me opponents comingopponent.
Terence Shigg (00:40):
Oh, welcome to the peace project with Terence l
Shigg. Today we will be having aspecial guest. His name is Paul
bunch, Paul bunch is thecreative director for river rock
films, and a long, lifelongfriend of mine. So this man is
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one of the people that has knownme longer than any other person
besides my family on this earth,a very influential person in my
life grew up with him was one ofmy protectors and friends young
and growing up. And I justwanted to bring him on. And
today we're going to talk aboutkids. And growing up in the time
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of COVID kids and COVID is whatwe're going to talk about. He
has a very unique story andworking on a project and I'd
like for him to really tell youabout it.
Dwayne E. Shigg (01:36):
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and be blessed.
Paul Bunch (02:33):
So look, man, it's kind of one of these projects
that you just got to go do it onfaith, because I don't know how
I'm gonna finish as I sit here.
I have no idea how I'm gonnafinish this project. Because my
mind producers just did abreakdown of the script. And he
was like, Paul, are you out ofyour mind? Like, he was like,
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you are trying to shoot a studiofeature film here when you got
no money? Like how is this gonnawork? And I was like, just pray
on it. Like, like, Look, it'sgonna happen. It's already
weird. The weirdest thing. Can Ijust jump in and tell you a
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quick story? Well, let's, uh,
Terence Shigg (03:19):
let's do an intro. Um,
Paul Bunch (03:21):
yeah, so I always feel a little uncomfortable
giving titles because I'm reallynobody. But But yeah, so I'm a
writer, director and I work atriver rock film, which is the
company I helped to put togetherand you know, my partners have
kind of made it more important Igot really lucky I got lucky
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because I joined the Kavanaughfamily who is you know from
relativity thing. And so it'sbeen amazing I'm just watching
this this idea of storytelling,you know, with no money solely
become a real studio. So that'sso that's been important.
directed my first feature acouple of years ago, bachelor
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lion and and that was like adream come true. You know,
Terence Shigg (04:12):
and that's available on Amazon Prime.
Paul Bunch (04:17):
It's on iTunes. It's on Apple. It's on it's on Amazon
Prime amazon prime. right that'savailable now. So yeah, it's
just it's just something thatI've always loved doing is
telling stories. Just whetherit's around a campfire or on the
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phone today I'm going to have agood time just chatting with
you. So so this this this filmmedium and river rock has
afforded me it's just a slightlybigger platform to tell story.
So Paul BunchBlanche,
Terence Shigg (04:51):
yes. And I love the story and I know we talked
about it once is just how youcame up with the name river
rock. I think that kind ofRight, like the stage where, you
know, importance of storytellingto you.
Paul Bunch (05:06):
Yeah, man. So my first of all is my son's middle
name. And river rock comes froma Cheyenne cheese with my father
is half Native American,Cheyenne. And there was a chief,
many years ago named chief riverrock. And he was known for
carving stone like images onflat Flat rocks and leaving them
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in shallow river bends so thatyou could walk along the river
and kind of the rocks would tella story. So, so cheap river rock
was someone who I used to talkto about with my wife and
family, and my father told meabout them. And so it became my
son's middle name. Then when Ilaunched the film studio, in
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remembering cheap river rock, itreally dawned on me that, that
that was one of the oldest formsof storytelling in you know,
North America is is, you know,tooth rock and his ability the
way he told stories, so wethought it was a fitting title
for the studio. And so yeah, sothat's what we do. We tell
story, you know, visuals, story.
And I'm,
Terence Shigg (06:14):
yeah, I'm just pleased as punch just to be
talking to you on this platform.
So it's cool for me, so I'mtrying to sound stuff. I don't
sound professional. That's whycuz I'm just, I'm just jazzed to
be on the phone with
Paul Bunch (06:26):
this. Yeah, this is this is it's hard to even
pretend with you, because we goway, way back. Yes. And it was
so I mean, to like, literally,when you were what, I think I
met you when you were 11 12years old, something like that,
right?
Terence Shigg (06:39):
Yes. younger than that, probably. And I always
think I'm like, you know, youhave known me longer than anyone
that is not blood related to me.
Paul Bunch (06:50):
Right? reminds me, you gotta make sure I find time
to tell the story of when I beatyou one on one in basketball.
You might have been 12 years old
Terence Shigg (07:05):
at the time. And they were like, seven foot
hoops.
Paul Bunch (07:13):
It doesn't matter if I tell the story how I once to
be a Kentucky basketball player.
I don't care that the fact thatyou were 12 years old, I like to
begin.
Terence Shigg (07:33):
And then I like to go into how this came about.
Because what we I mean, we tryto talk regular, but we don't
always get around to it. But westay in touch. And when you told
me about how you came up withthis particular story in this
particular time, I was like, Igotta figure out a way to talk
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about that, because I don'tthink we talk about it enough.
And that story is really howCOVID is not just affecting
society, but affecting ourchildren in particular. And
yeah, man, and how you kind oftook up and upon took it upon
yourself to go, you know what, Ineed to tell that story because
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I don't think people arerealizing the impact that he's
having.
Paul Bunch (08:23):
Yeah, so I'll, it's actually pretty personal. So
I'll try to not embarrass myselfand cry on camera here. But uh,
we, it was a about a year ago.
Almost a year. It was February13 2020. When my son turned 16
years old. It was his birthdayon February 13. Last year, and I
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took him to Disneyland. Right.
And while he was at Disneylandwith a couple of his friends,
they got off one of these rides,and they I was just telling you,
they started high five, and theycelebrate. And I was like, Hey,
what happened? And one of hisfriends jack was like, dude, we
he says this is the way he saidhe was like, we got a
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girlfriend. Meaning because myson Ryan has just gotten a text
from a girl saying she would behis girlfriend. Right? But it
was so he Ryan was the first onein their group to get a
girlfriend. So the group wascelebrating that like someone in
their group got a girlfriend.
Right? And so it was a funnymoment. They were like jumping
around and high fiving andright. So I remember hugging
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myself like this Well done. Yougot a girlfriend. And he was
like, yeah, and so then I drovehim to school that Monday
morning, and we found out schoolwas closed that Monday but the
following that that hisbirthday, we went to go Monday
and the schools had all satdown. And to date he has never
seen this girl. You've neverseen her again. Because the
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world shut down. Right? And sothings progressed in 2020, as we
all know, that we all wentthrough things that, you know,
seemingly got worse and worse.
And we look, we all have triedto keep it together, we, I think
a lot of us have helped to tryand lift each other up and, and,
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and be safe. And we're allcognizant of this weird, odd,
horrifying situation we're goingthrough so many, so many levels
being lost. So many people'slives being changed forever,
right. And I have watched my sonlose everything. Like his the
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band that he was in, went away,never got to meet his
girlfriend, all the social,like, hit all of his entire
network and structure of hislife went away. And it just, it
all kind of came to a head. Andaround August of last year,
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well, no, September of last yearwhen one of his band members
attempted suicide. Right. Andthankfully, the young man made
it, but it was a wake up call toall of us parents like what,
what's happening, you know whatI mean? Like, we're pretending
things are okay. And they'renot. And that that was made very
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clear, when I remember huggingmy son and sitting next to him,
you know, what we parents oftendo is we're, we constantly try
and lift our kids up and tellthem it's gonna be okay. But
this time, my son looked me inthe eye and said, No, Dad, it's
not okay. And a chill with downmy spine. It was like, so I was
like, what, what are we going todo here? Like we need to, we
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need to do something like it wasone of those moments where you
just, you had to stop pretendingthat you were in control, and
start thinking about beinghonest and communicating in a
different way. And then my, oneof our, one of our really
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talented gurus over at riverrock is this gentleman. He's the
production designer, writer,director himself. His name is
Albert sartorial. I remembertelling the story at lunch. And
he was like, Paul, he was like,you're an artist. He goes, if
you look back in history, duringall the major crises of
throughout history, whether itwas, you know, he was you see
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the results of that crisis, orthat dilemma in the art, like,
the example he gave was like,during the robotic plague. And
in Europe, if you look at thepaintings of that time, you can
see the depth in the artwork,right? In other words, artists
are the one who clocked thatthat crisis who clocked that
disaster and they, they captureit forever in their art. And so
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I remember him telling me like,Paul, we're not artists, unless
we, we do something that tellsthe story. And so I remember
sitting with my son saying,Look, man,
are you okay? If I do something?
And he was like, his words wereyou have to, and I was like,
done. I was like, that's it. Andso I just became, like, it just
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became something I just pouredmyself into, as of November of
last year, I started to Iinterviewed and started, I felt
like I had to, because it's notmy story. You know what I mean?
Like, this is one of thoseunique times where I couldn't, I
couldn't just sit down and writesome cool stuff. I couldn't just
be creative. Because it's not,it's not my story. I have to sit
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my ego and all whatever talent Ithink I have, I have to decide
and, and get the story from thepeople who are experiencing it
in the way that teenagers werelike, We all are experiencing it
in a deep and sincere way. Allof us adults are dealing with
it. But we, we think adults areequipped to deal with things
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like this in a in a better waythan teenagers. Teenagers. I
remember the movie on John's useas a famous line in the in the
movie Breakfast Club, where hesays, oftentimes when adults
grow up, their heart dies. Andit's a heavy line. But in some
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ways for me what it means is weforget the beautiful, useful
nature of what it means to be ateenager and what and and like
for us you lock us down and andit means we do more work or it
means we you know we find thingsto do that adults do you know we
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sip our coffee and tell stories.
Teenagers are not wired for thatkind of credit like they are
social in need of their socialnetworks. You know, they're when
you're 16 there are things thatparents don't know about the
only thing that kids The onlyperson that teenager can share
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is another teenage you know,parents don't understand that
there's a whole world of teenagestuff that you don't know, you
know, and they only share withtheir peers. Because it's their
time to slowly becomeindependent. It's their time to
branch out and do things thatbill almost adults. And it's
their, it's their network thatexperiences that taking away
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social friends and stuff likethat from a teenager is like
taking away their oxygen is whatI learned. Yes, they can't
survive with that socialnetwork. Right? We adults,
don't, we forgot that. Andthere's a lot of attention being
paid to seniors, obviously,seniors are affected by COVID in
different ways. It's importantto take care of our seniors,
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there's a lot of trillions ofdollars being spent saving
businesses, that's important topeople got to pay bills in
business. What we need to give avoice to teenage suffering,
because it's not being this whatI see my teen 16 year old going
through, no, no one understandsunless you have unless you're in
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the house as a teenager. And andsome of the teenagers I spoke to
and I interviewed, the things Iheard were just horrifying. You
know, it's just brutal. So we,we just decided with no money
with those that we just had togo make this stuff. And in on
just strength and, and faith.
We're just pushing forward withit.
Terence Shigg (16:32):
And that's the thing that I I mean, I really, I
love the whole process of how,like you said art parallels
history. And, and tells thestory of history, you can see it
in the art. And I think this isan important story, because like
you said, I don't think asadults, we, I don't think it's
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purposeful. I just think it'sreally something that we don't
even it's just not on our radar,unless something like this, or
something like this, that you'recreating, puts it on our radar.
And that's why I think this isimportant because as I because I
experienced that, it it, ittouched me because working with
kids during counseling, that wassomething that was kind of
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coming up that I was like, Idon't know, if we're really
paying attention, because a lotof the the ways that I don't
even know if the right word issuffering, but the ways that our
teenagers are dealing with thisis totally different than the
ways adults would deal withthis. Meaning like you said, we
can stay busy and we can, youknow, drive to drive down the
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road and meditate or whatever wedo as adults, but our kids
really had their own system setup. And it was really
independent of us. And that'swhy we that's kind of how we
teach them. We want them to beindependent of us. But what
happens when you take that away,and you don't replace it with
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anything? Now you just haven'tright boy that and there's no
you know, it sounds depressing,but there's no timetable to say,
Okay, if we can just get throughthis six months, your next
school year, you know, it'll beback to, quote unquote, normal.
I mean, so like you said, itreally tugs at my heart when you
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said, because as parents, wewant to tell them, it's going to
be okay. You know, don't Yeah,we'll take care of it. You know,
it'll be alright. And we knowthat but like you said, In that
moment, that's not what theyneed to hear. That's not what
what they're asking, though.
Paul Bunch (18:41):
Well, it's, it's, it's kind of like, give me my
life back. Mm hmm. You know whatI mean? That's the mood of the
teenagers This is like, like,these teenagers were like, this
is wrong. You know, like, thething I heard is, I'm never
going to get this year back.
Like, being 16 is aquintessential moment in your
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life that it's filled withfirst. It's filled with first
kisses first, you know, datesfirst driving first, you know,
that your your prom, your yourKingston yetta. Yeah, it's
filled with firsts. And when yousteal that it's gone forever.
Terence Shigg (19:21):
So almost like a rite of passage that has been
cut off. Totally. And there'sgot to be there has to be a not
just the grieving process, buta, a way of processing that so
that they can move forward withthe recognition that that was
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lost. It's not like we can say,Oh, yeah, you'll forget about
that.
Paul Bunch (19:46):
No, that's it's gone. Yeah. And look, I want to
be really careful here because Iknow that there's that that I
am. I am focused. thing on thisteenage crisis because I have a
16 year old that I love morethan anything else in life. And
I mean, yeah, so that's I'mfocusing on that there. There
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are many other sides to thiscrisis. Yes. And I'm not, I'm
certainly not making light ofthe suffering that others are
going through. I'm not I'm nottrying to bring that to a point
and say, it's not as important.
It's not about, it's not aboutsaying, hey, they're more
important that all I'm sayingis, we don't understand how
wrong this is. We don't we thinkteenagers can just act like
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adults. And just hunker down fora year doesn't work that way.
does not work that way. And I'veseen it firsthand. And we like
you, if you have a teenager, youbetter sit with them. And and
kind of get a temperature checkon what they're really going
through. If you haven't yetalready. Right.
Terence Shigg (20:57):
I think that's very important to say,
Paul Bunch (21:00):
Oh, my God, dude, like these, one of the teenagers
I talked to was a young lady. Iasked her what's the biggest
problem and she said, my momstopped hugging me. And I
remember calling her mothergoing, you should sit down with
your daughter and have her tellyou what she's telling me.
Because she didn't know anythingshe didn't. She thought
everything was fine. It's notokay. Those are the three words
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that hit me in the face over andover and over every time I talk
to a teenager, it's not okay.
And so, so that's, and I madethe mistake, Terry, of posting
the attempted suicide online,just as a way of trying and
because of that, I got anoverwhelming response. But the
end result is something kind ofheavy. I wake up every morning
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now. Every single morning,Terry, I have people sending me
suicide, messages about anothersuicide. Because I started that.
And so I'm linked into thisgroup of people who keep sharing
again, I wake up every morningwith another post about a
teenage teenager who killedthemselves because they didn't
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want to go on anymore. They justdidn't. They felt like
everything had been lost. Yeah.
And so it's brutal, dude. It'slike, I'm Anna. And we, here's,
here's the other secret man andand what you and I and a lot of
adults, we, we carry baggagewell. Adults build, we build a
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mechanism for pretending. Right?
And when I did a read through ofthe scripts with production
crew, but there's about 15people. And these adults were
sobbing during the read throughthe screenplay. And what,
including me, by the way, I'mand I'm a jaded old. You know,
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I'm a jaded old. But look itwhat happens is we we keep
telling ourselves, we're strong.
What's something about hearing ateenager, even if it's just on a
page of a script, hearing thethemes where someone else is
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telling the truth about whatthey're feeling? And, and then
the scenes that they begin tocry? Somehow, when it comes to
us, we're gonna go on fine. Butthe connection to this scene,
everybody in the room startedletting some stuff go. Yeah. And
I feel like, that's what's soimportant about this project.
Terence Shigg (23:31):
Yes, that's the that's the the healing best part
of the healing process is thatconnection? Is that recognition
of truth of being able to seesomething and go? Yeah, that's
it. You put your finger, you putyour finger on it, I may not be
able to, to say it. But you saidit for me. And I think that is,
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that's an amazing thing. And Ithink that's what's so powerful
about this project is you arespeaking for a group of people
that I wouldn't say we're notlistening to, but we're not
paying attention to. Right, andI really believe that this
project will get that voice outthere. And one of the things I
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really wanted to say is, I knowit's not and I think it's
important to to make thatrealization that it's not okay.
And instead of trying to giveour teenagers a pep talk, that
we walk with them, instead oftrying to take them somewhere,
meaning you're right, it's notokay, this sucks. But I'm, I'm
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here in the middle with you.
That's that's what I can promiseyou. I can promise you that.
Paul Bunch (24:44):
I'm going to be here with you. And that's that's
where you start. That's yourperson and that you're hurting
to. Yeah, like, like a couple ofthe teenagers that I spoke to
that were annoyed that, like oneof the young men was like They
have the his parents has thesezoom parties, and he was like,
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it's annoying to him, you know,to see party going on and like
his life is just gone. Right?
Even if it's a pretend zoomparty, it was annoying to this
young man that parents wereengaging in that. And I think i
think i think what you have todo is let him know you're
hurting, too. You know, youknow, you're hurting too. It's a
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shared experience. Everybody.
Shared burden.
Terence Shigg (25:30):
Yeah. And I didn't know I was gonna say, and
this is something that we can IOh, the phrase always comes to
mind as you can chew gum andwalk to. So it's not Yeah, it's
not this all or nothing type ofmentality that we we hear all
the time. It's okay. This iswhere we are. How do we do this?
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How do we still connect? becauselike you said, just sitting down
with your teenager is sovaluable to be able to, to share
that experience and go, you'reright. It's not okay. It sucks.
And I'm here with you. I agree.
It sucks. And yeah, and thatjust opens up a whole nother
avenue for them to be able toexpress instead of having to put
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on that face of Yeah, I knowit's going to be okay. Back up,
rub some dirt on it all thatother crap. Yeah, tell them this
isn't time to
Paul Bunch (26:25):
be on that is beyond a you know, you skinned your
knee, you get up and take itoff. Dude, this is brutal. This
is worldwide. This is life, ordeath. This is existential, this
is whatever words you want touse. It's not okay, this is very
unusual. And there's a lot ofbaggage associated with this.
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And I think, and I don't mean tosound self important, I think if
we can get this project out infront of teenagers, and they can
hear other teenagers in thismovie, share, and we're not
making this movie to kind ofmake everyone stew in the
misery. It's not about that thepurpose of this project is to
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show it's the story of how youcan overcome this misery by
coming together and sharingexperience and, and finding
things that help you move to apositive place, though, find
that because at the end of theday, this project is to tell
everyone give your teenagerstheir life back, dip, find ways
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to give them their life backthis last weekend. We called
some parents are like, get yourphone tested, get them over to
my house this week, then a groupof friends so up here at my
house, and we had created alittle bubble for them to share
time together. Yes. And and youhave to fight for that. You have
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to you know, we we can't keepputting ourselves first we got
this, you know?
Terence Shigg (27:59):
And but no. And that's, that's when I say that
we can chew gum and walk at thesame time. Those types of
creative solutions are arethings that we should be
focusing even more attention to,because that's how we that's how
we help them get through this,which is okay, how can we do
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this in a safe way? Okay,everybody get tested come by,
we'll have a friendship pod, ifyou want to call it a social pod
Where? Okay, these groups, we'veall been tested. We're the only
ones that are hanging out witheach other, then. Yep, give them
that connection. Give them apiece of it back. Um, yeah, get
through this. But yeah, and justthe effort that you put into it
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shows them that you see him thatyou that you're listening, and
that's invaluable of itself,because now they know I'm not
crazy, because that's, that'sthe thought that process that we
go through. Especially not evenjust teenagers. But as humans,
the first thing we go through isokay, well, nobody else is
thinking like this. I must bethe only one I must be crazy.
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Until I reach out and yourealize, wait a minute. There's
a million other people thatthink this sucks too. I'm not
the only one. Yeah.
Paul Bunch (29:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Terence Shigg (29:18):
And I will do definitely will do holding light
to that.
Paul Bunch (29:23):
Totally, totally.
And I and I'm pushing a littlefurther than some, some people
will I think some people willtake issue with the degree at
which the statement is andthat's okay. I know there are
there are people will agree withthis and disagree with it. But
we this this, we believe thatall schools need to reopen
immediately, period. You know,that's what we believe we
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believe you need to stop, youknow, stop with the nonsense.
Stop it like like the CDC istelling us that this does not
spread in schools, you know, andteenagers are not at risk. You
know what I mean? They've beenvery Are you clear about that?
And we, we keep we keeppretending that. I mean, if you
look at nurses and you look atpolice officers, you look at
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firefighters, they put, they putthe uniform on and they go to
the front lines. And they theydo their job no matter what
they've never stopped doingtheir job. Teachers should be as
brave as police officers,because it's that important.
Yes, it's that important.
Terence Shigg (30:26):
And I, I keep going back to that, chewing
bubble gum and walking, becauseI do think that there is a way
to do that. And we already havethe evidence, because there are
schools, private institutionsthat are doing it already.
Right. So we have the blueprint,it's not like you have to
recreate the wheel. It's, it'sout there. So yeah, it can be
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done.
Paul Bunch (30:49):
If you toggle and if you have some accuracy,
teachers, keep them home. Youknow what I mean? If you have
some teachers with additionalhealth issues, we understand
that those people are a risk.
Nobody. Nobody wants to hurt theteachers. We need to stop
hurting the teenagers. Like atsome point, you have to set your
your needs aside and put thekids first when when did we stop
(31:10):
doing?
Terence Shigg (31:12):
Yes, no.
Paul Bunch (31:13):
When did we stop putting the kids first we think
we gotta stop doing that.
Terence Shigg (31:18):
And it's funny, I laugh when you say that. Because
when we when this thing firststarted, and they started
saying, okay, wash your hands.
My first question is, when do westop washing our hands? But we
need to start listening to toour kids. I definitely. Um, I
(31:43):
also wanted to because youshared a little bit of the music
over this. Can you tell me tellus tell them about this
phenomenal musician that youfound?
Paul Bunch (31:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
maleek maleek. Will caught andand Dave reichart and Albert's
so these guys are just likegods. And you know, Terry, you
and I grew up you've heard mesaying I am not musical. I think
I am tone deaf. And I am not atall. But as a writer, being in
the room, scribbling lyrics andhanding it to musicians, and
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then watching them just startcreating music was a magical
experience for all, you know, weall got tested, we all create
our own little bubble when wegot in there. And we all knew we
were negative. And everybody wassaying math came off. You know.
And and, and you know, sometimesthey call it the spirit call it
(32:43):
a Holy Ghost, whatever you wantto call it. We were all
inspired. And and some reallyamazing music came from two
weeks at at this music studio.
And that was all donated to us.
By the way, everybody, they'rejust came for the call. You know
what I mean? Like I that's beenmy experience is like, we're
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calling people up saying, look,we got no money. All I got is a
really important story to tellyou. And the response has been
Amen. Yeah. So yeah, man, twoweeks of watching those
musicians. You know, and youheard some of the music that's
going to be in the film. It's aagain, man, like, it just it was
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was was making people cry. Youknow, it was just, it's been a
emotional roller coaster everystep of the way. And, you know,
the majority of the work isstill ahead of us. But it's
something we we love doing andsomething we look forward to
getting into March one Principalphotography begins March 1.
Okay, and so we're casting,we're casting a lot of kids this
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week, some talented kids. Andyeah, man looking looking
forward to getting this and weyou know, this is one of those
projects, we're just giving itaway. We're not, we're not,
we're not doing a portion of theproceeds or anything like that.
We're making this film andgiving it to the world. Yeah,
because, again, we honestlybelieve in the most sincere,
humble way. If you show this toa lot of kids, it may save some
(34:13):
lives.
Terence Shigg (34:17):
Oh, and I definitely believe it will save
lives. I don't think there's amay about it. I think just I
think you've alreadyaccomplished that, to a certain
degree that you may not evenrealize of saving lives because
you've given a voice to, to agroup that if nothing else, now
knows that somebody isacknowledging and recognizes
(34:40):
what they're going through. It'snot they're not doing this
alone. And that's always thescary time is when we convince
ourselves and not justteenagers, but as adults, when
we convince ourselves that it's,it's just me, and nobody else
will understand. And I have tojust, you know, pretend like
like I'm everybody like, I'mnormal. quote unquote, and then
(35:02):
you, you break that, the moreyou can break that falsehood
and, and show people that it'snot just you, all of us are
going through this. And all ofus are trying to figure it out.
And you're not crazy. And nomatter what, I'm going to be
here right next to you,sometimes in front of you,
(35:22):
because I'm your dad, and I'mgoing to protect you from
whatever I can, but I'm going towalk along with you no matter
what. That's what, that's whatthese that's what kids need,
they really need that. And thatis what helps in these types of
situations. Awesome, brother.
Awesome. The only I guess I wasgonna ask you, is there and I
don't know anything about themovie industry? Besides you? Is
(35:45):
there a if you're, if someone isinclined to help support this
type of project? Is there a wayfor them to do that?
Paul Bunch (35:58):
Oh, my God. Um, yeah, look, if anyone would like
to reach out whether they wantto sprint to actually share the
film with a particularnetworking group, they can they
can call river rock film. It?
Can I share the number? Yes,yes, definitely. Yeah. Okay, at
323-459-4269. That's the riverrock main line. And, or they can
reach us at Paul, my emailaddress is Paul bunch at river
(36:21):
rock films.com. So if anyone whowould like a free copy of the
film or a link to the film, sothey can share whether it's with
church groups, or school groups,or networking groups, we're, as
I said, we're just giving thisaway, we just, we're working.
Our plan is to work with some ofthe influencers, some of the
(36:44):
online influencers, like thehigh powers and kids like
Addison Ray, and, okay, Molly isjust people that, you know,
these kids have 75 millionpeople follow this one. So they
post it and, and, and with anyluck, a lot of kids will take
the time to watch this man,that's, that's the hope.
Terence Shigg (37:05):
Okay. And all that information will be in the
show notes if you didn't writeit down, so they don't have to
memorize it. And I can guaranteeyou and promise you that once
this gets out that we will get agroup of kids together and watch
this and discuss this. And makesure that it's something and I
know even by just talking toyou, it's definitely put it on
(37:26):
my radar. So that as I talk toand and visit with kids, it is
something that is always presentin my mind to just check in with
them to just see and let themknow that I know that sucks.
And, yeah, if you need anything,this is where you, I'm here.
Paul Bunch (37:45):
And thank you so and get the house, let's get them
out of the house, get find a wayto give, give them access to
their friends. You know what Imean? break the rules, if you
have to, honestly, it's time,it's time to break the rule of I
know, that's a controversialthing to say, I know there are
still people dying. I know, Iunderstand that, that there that
(38:06):
we need to be careful. I know weneed to take care of people that
are sick. All of that is true.
We also need break the rules,and get your teenagers a piece
of advice that
Terence Shigg (38:18):
they need to know that they are just as important
as a business just as importantas toilet paper. I mean, they
are they are indeed Yeah, theyare very important. And they are
I mean I just I love the theidea of the film. And I really
(38:39):
think that this is this is justthe beginning. I think this type
of project that you're doing isgoing to be the focal point for
that flood of creativity that'sgoing to come out of this type
of situation that will be partof that healing process because
I really think that what you dois not only tells the story but
(39:03):
it also connects people in a waythat allows them to heal and
that's my therapist at talkingbut it really is I mean it's
just obvious to me
Paul Bunch (39:13):
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, man look forward to you know,
giving you the final productvery soon. And when we get when
we get into the post, I want youto come You know, check it out.
Terence Shigg (39:28):
Oh, absolutely. I will be there. Okay, testa, mask
glove whatever I need to do I'llbe
Paul Bunch (39:38):
fair enough. Fair enough. I have
Terence Shigg (39:42):
anything else that you wanted to share or
Paul Bunch (39:47):
no man just like it growing myself through this
process was like you know,watching watching the you know,
everyone slowly come to termsWith a how to piece your life
back together, you know, justjust day by day, finding ways to
lift people up, you know, it'sbeen a it's been like this, this
(40:09):
process of writing and workingon this film kind of forces you
to re examine all the ways inwhich you talk and act during
the day. Are you lifting peopleup? Are you? Are you, you know,
causing misery? You know? Soyeah, man, it's just, it's been
a really amazing experience. Andhopefully, all of this will be a
(40:30):
distant memory. You know, itreally is up to us. You know, we
I hear people say, you know, atsome point, they're going to
give us our life back. Now, man,we have to take our life back.
At some point, it's up to us.
When when we decide to moveforward and go, Oh, maybe I can,
you know, live a little betternow, you know? Yes. So, but it's
(40:52):
complex, it's a very complexissue more than anything else.
This project reminded me howthere are very varying degrees
of views on that there arevarying degrees, and everyone's
position is valid. But I'mtelling one particular story,
I'm gonna hit that going hard,and try and base awareness and
(41:15):
maybe save some loss. So Godbless everybody out there.
Terence Shigg (41:20):
All right.
So we'll come to the conclusionof this episode. And I hope that
it was informative, and I hopeit gave you some things to think
about. But most of all, I hopeit spurs you to do something.
(41:44):
And I want to do somethingmyself. And I want to do
something for the teenagers andthe parents out there. So if
you're a parent, and you have ateenager, and they are there
with you, or at some later time,after you listen to this, please
(42:06):
sit them down and, and not onlytalk to them, and if you need
some help, in the words to say,then here's an example for you.
Go ahead and get them in, sitthem down and let them listen to
to this, this two minutes that Iwould like to share with them. I
(42:30):
would like to share this to allthe teenagers out there that
feel alone. To all the teenagersout there that deal is the
though they are not being heard.
I like to put this out there toall the the teenagers out there
(42:52):
that are hurting right now.
Because there are there are lotsof them. So sit down for a
second and just listen to myhumble attempt to to help. Well,
(43:14):
first thing I'd like to say toto all of you is whatever you're
thinking, whatever you're madat, whatever you are
disappointed by. I'd like to sayI'm sorry. I'm sorry for this
(43:36):
last year, that has taken away alot of the joy and activities
and transitions that aretraditionally yours. I'm sorry
for this time in your life whereyou are learning to take control
(44:01):
being taken away from you. Andmost of all, I'm sorry that no
one said this before. That it'staken this long for someone to
sit you down and say simply, I'msorry. And I say that with a
(44:26):
heavy heart. Because I know thatthere are some teenagers out
there. This is probably too latefor there's some teenagers out
there that we've already lost.
Because no one because theydidn't hear these words soon
enough I should say. They didn'thear the concern and the
(44:51):
affirmation from those of us whoare in charge in, I put air
quotes around in charge. Theyheard us gripe and moan about
the political situations andabout how this person did that
(45:15):
and how our freedoms are beingendangered and challenged. But
they didn't hear us speaking forthem. And in some cases, they
didn't hear us speaking to them.
(45:36):
And for that, I'm sorry. And Imake a commitment. And I hope
that whoever sat you down tolisten to this will make this
commitment with me that fromthis day forward, your voice
will be heard that I will makeit a commitment on my part, that
(46:02):
each day I let your voice beheard. Be that with local
politicians be that with thepowers that be or be that simply
one on one, with the teenagersthat I that I deal with, you
(46:24):
will be heard.
And you will be affirmed. And Iwill agree with you. In saying
that it's not okay. It's notokay, this time that you've
lost. And we can't get it back.
But going forward, we can insistthat you will be heard, you can
(46:51):
insist that we do everythingthat we can to make this time as
best we can. And I don't knowwhat that means right now. I
(47:12):
don't know what that means foreach individual teenager family
out there. But I'm making thecommitment to try making the
commitment to try to reach outto the teenagers that are out
there that feel alone. And letthem know that it's not okay.
(47:34):
It's not okay that you've beenignored, and that your situation
has been steamrolled by theadult problems of the world. I
like to say we can chew gum andwalk at the same time or we can
(47:56):
pat our head and rub our stomachat the same time. And I want
every person, especially theteenagers within the sound of my
voice to know that you areimportant. You are our future,
you are the crown jewel of oursociety. And you should be
(48:20):
treated as such. And so mycommitment right here. And I
pray that those that are withyou, that puts you in front of
this recording will make thatcommitment with me is that we
are going to make every effortwe are going to do everything
(48:42):
within our power to make surethat you are heard that we
understand as much as possiblethat this is not okay. And that
we do everything that we can toget you back to where you feel
as though you are back incontrol of your development of
(49:05):
your growing of yourindependence of your learning.
We've taken enough away fromyou. It's time for us to start
fighting to give it back. Iwanted to at least make this
apology and put this in thisepisode. So that those of us out
(49:27):
there that hear this and we knowof a teenager that may appear to
be doing just fine. I want youto know
that they need to hear that youunderstand that it's not okay.
(49:48):
What they've had to go throughand that we are going to make it
a priority to change that. Asthe adults we have a
responsibility to them. We havea responsibility to let them
know that they are thatimportant that we're going to
(50:08):
fight to give them back theirfreedom, their ability to
develop their social networks,their friends, their times their
experiences, we're gonna fightto get those things back for
(50:29):
them. And we're not going totell them what that is we're
going to ask them how, and whatdo they need. We're gonna affirm
that how they feel is real, thatit's not okay, that we haven't
listened to them. And we'regonna be there alongside of
them, walking with them throughthis time. That's all I had to
(50:55):
say. I just wanted to make surethat I put that in there was
after listening to the episodeagain, it was on my heart and I
wanted to make sure that there'ssomething in here so that the
parents, the friends, even theteenagers that may listen to
this will know that we dounderstand and we are going to
(51:19):
do better at making sure that itgets to the point where it's
okay again. That's all for now.
I look forward to the nextepisode. I hope that this one
intrigued you. And if it did,please subscribe and share with
(51:40):
your friends and family. And letthem know about the podcast
that'll be out every two weeks.
And like I said, the new formatwill be I'll do a solo episode
and then I'll do one with aguest. So I'll have two episodes
a month one with the guests andone by myself. So once again, as
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Lyrics (53:36):
He came a long way I can do I can do all
I can do all I can do. I'm notafraid of the moment. I'm not
afraid I can't hold it. Gottaget up in the morning. I gotta
(54:00):
tell ya. No, I'm just takingwhatever controller so many
opponents coming opponents. Igotta give it a fun. Not only
Yeah.
Yeah, he came a long way I cando to do all came a long way
could do was, I could do all Ican do. I'm not afraid of the
(00:25):
moment. I'm not afraid I can'thold it. I got to get up in the
morning. I gotta know I'm goingto take in whatever controllers
show me opponents comingopponent.
Terence Shigg (00:40):
Oh, welcome to the peace project with Terence l
Shigg. Today we will be having aspecial guest. His name is Paul
bunch, Paul bunch is thecreative director for river rock
films, and a long, lifelongfriend of mine. So this man is
(01:01):
one of the people that has knownme longer than any other person
besides my family on this earth,a very influential person in my
life grew up with him was one ofmy protectors and friends young
and growing up. And I justwanted to bring him on. And
today we're going to talk aboutkids. And growing up in the time
(01:23):
of COVID kids and COVID is whatwe're going to talk about. He
has a very unique story andworking on a project and I'd
like for him to really tell youabout it.
Dwayne E. Shigg (01:36):
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step off into life with theirbest foot forward without
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He had a heart and passion forhelping the youth. He believed
if we went into the business ofprevention, we could save
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(02:00):
teach us the basic ABCs of life.
Are you concerned about theworld today? So you want to help
train our youth to be the changeneeded in the world? Join us in
the fight for equality in thefight for justice in the fight
for our youth. If you would liketo help go to WWW dot ABC youth
foundation.org. That's www dotABC youth foundation.org be well
(02:21):
and be blessed.
Paul Bunch (02:33):
So look, man, it's kind of one of these projects
that you just got to go do it onfaith, because I don't know how
I'm gonna finish as I sit here.
I have no idea how I'm gonnafinish this project. Because my
mind producers just did abreakdown of the script. And he
was like, Paul, are you out ofyour mind? Like, he was like,
(02:55):
you are trying to shoot a studiofeature film here when you got
no money? Like how is this gonnawork? And I was like, just pray
on it. Like, like, Look, it'sgonna happen. It's already
weird. The weirdest thing. Can Ijust jump in and tell you a
(03:17):
quick story? Well, let's, uh,
Terence Shigg (03:19):
let's do an intro. Um,
Paul Bunch (03:21):
yeah, so I always feel a little uncomfortable
giving titles because I'm reallynobody. But But yeah, so I'm a
writer, director and I work atriver rock film, which is the
company I helped to put togetherand you know, my partners have
kind of made it more important Igot really lucky I got lucky
(03:43):
because I joined the Kavanaughfamily who is you know from
relativity thing. And so it'sbeen amazing I'm just watching
this this idea of storytelling,you know, with no money solely
become a real studio. So that'sso that's been important.
directed my first feature acouple of years ago, bachelor
(04:06):
lion and and that was like adream come true. You know,
Terence Shigg (04:12):
and that's available on Amazon Prime.
Paul Bunch (04:17):
It's on iTunes. It's on Apple. It's on it's on Amazon
Prime amazon prime. right that'savailable now. So yeah, it's
just it's just something thatI've always loved doing is
telling stories. Just whetherit's around a campfire or on the
(04:38):
phone today I'm going to have agood time just chatting with
you. So so this this this filmmedium and river rock has
afforded me it's just a slightlybigger platform to tell story.
So Paul BunchBlanche,
Terence Shigg (04:51):
yes. And I love the story and I know we talked
about it once is just how youcame up with the name river
rock. I think that kind ofRight, like the stage where, you
know, importance of storytellingto you.
Paul Bunch (05:06):
Yeah, man. So my first of all is my son's middle
name. And river rock comes froma Cheyenne cheese with my father
is half Native American,Cheyenne. And there was a chief,
many years ago named chief riverrock. And he was known for
carving stone like images onflat Flat rocks and leaving them
(05:30):
in shallow river bends so thatyou could walk along the river
and kind of the rocks would tella story. So, so cheap river rock
was someone who I used to talkto about with my wife and
family, and my father told meabout them. And so it became my
son's middle name. Then when Ilaunched the film studio, in
(05:52):
remembering cheap river rock, itreally dawned on me that, that
that was one of the oldest formsof storytelling in you know,
North America is is, you know,tooth rock and his ability the
way he told stories, so wethought it was a fitting title
for the studio. And so yeah, sothat's what we do. We tell
story, you know, visuals, story.
And I'm,
Terence Shigg (06:14):
yeah, I'm just pleased as punch just to be
talking to you on this platform.
So it's cool for me, so I'mtrying to sound stuff. I don't
sound professional. That's whycuz I'm just, I'm just jazzed to
be on the phone with
Paul Bunch (06:26):
this. Yeah, this is this is it's hard to even
pretend with you, because we goway, way back. Yes. And it was
so I mean, to like, literally,when you were what, I think I
met you when you were 11 12years old, something like that,
right?
Terence Shigg (06:39):
Yes. younger than that, probably. And I always
think I'm like, you know, youhave known me longer than anyone
that is not blood related to me.
Paul Bunch (06:50):
Right? reminds me, you gotta make sure I find time
to tell the story of when I beatyou one on one in basketball.
You might have been 12 years old
Terence Shigg (07:05):
at the time. And they were like, seven foot
hoops.
Paul Bunch (07:13):
It doesn't matter if I tell the story how I once to
be a Kentucky basketball player.
I don't care that the fact thatyou were 12 years old, I like to
begin.
Terence Shigg (07:33):
And then I like to go into how this came about.
Because what we I mean, we tryto talk regular, but we don't
always get around to it. But westay in touch. And when you told
me about how you came up withthis particular story in this
particular time, I was like, Igotta figure out a way to talk
(07:54):
about that, because I don'tthink we talk about it enough.
And that story is really howCOVID is not just affecting
society, but affecting ourchildren in particular. And
yeah, man, and how you kind oftook up and upon took it upon
yourself to go, you know what, Ineed to tell that story because
(08:18):
I don't think people arerealizing the impact that he's
having.
Paul Bunch (08:23):
Yeah, so I'll, it's actually pretty personal. So
I'll try to not embarrass myselfand cry on camera here. But uh,
we, it was a about a year ago.
Almost a year. It was February13 2020. When my son turned 16
years old. It was his birthdayon February 13. Last year, and I
(08:45):
took him to Disneyland. Right.
And while he was at Disneylandwith a couple of his friends,
they got off one of these rides,and they I was just telling you,
they started high five, and theycelebrate. And I was like, Hey,
what happened? And one of hisfriends jack was like, dude, we
he says this is the way he saidhe was like, we got a
(09:07):
girlfriend. Meaning because myson Ryan has just gotten a text
from a girl saying she would behis girlfriend. Right? But it
was so he Ryan was the first onein their group to get a
girlfriend. So the group wascelebrating that like someone in
their group got a girlfriend.
Right? And so it was a funnymoment. They were like jumping
around and high fiving andright. So I remember hugging
(09:28):
myself like this Well done. Yougot a girlfriend. And he was
like, yeah, and so then I drovehim to school that Monday
morning, and we found out schoolwas closed that Monday but the
following that that hisbirthday, we went to go Monday
and the schools had all satdown. And to date he has never
seen this girl. You've neverseen her again. Because the
(09:53):
world shut down. Right? And sothings progressed in 2020, as we
all know, that we all wentthrough things that, you know,
seemingly got worse and worse.
And we look, we all have triedto keep it together, we, I think
a lot of us have helped to tryand lift each other up and, and,
(10:15):
and be safe. And we're allcognizant of this weird, odd,
horrifying situation we're goingthrough so many, so many levels
being lost. So many people'slives being changed forever,
right. And I have watched my sonlose everything. Like his the
(10:37):
band that he was in, went away,never got to meet his
girlfriend, all the social,like, hit all of his entire
network and structure of hislife went away. And it just, it
all kind of came to a head. Andaround August of last year,
(10:57):
well, no, September of last yearwhen one of his band members
attempted suicide. Right. Andthankfully, the young man made
it, but it was a wake up call toall of us parents like what,
what's happening, you know whatI mean? Like, we're pretending
things are okay. And they'renot. And that that was made very
(11:20):
clear, when I remember huggingmy son and sitting next to him,
you know, what we parents oftendo is we're, we constantly try
and lift our kids up and tellthem it's gonna be okay. But
this time, my son looked me inthe eye and said, No, Dad, it's
not okay. And a chill with downmy spine. It was like, so I was
like, what, what are we going todo here? Like we need to, we
(11:43):
need to do something like it wasone of those moments where you
just, you had to stop pretendingthat you were in control, and
start thinking about beinghonest and communicating in a
different way. And then my, oneof our, one of our really
(12:04):
talented gurus over at riverrock is this gentleman. He's the
production designer, writer,director himself. His name is
Albert sartorial. I remembertelling the story at lunch. And
he was like, Paul, he was like,you're an artist. He goes, if
you look back in history, duringall the major crises of
throughout history, whether itwas, you know, he was you see
(12:27):
the results of that crisis, orthat dilemma in the art, like,
the example he gave was like,during the robotic plague. And
in Europe, if you look at thepaintings of that time, you can
see the depth in the artwork,right? In other words, artists
are the one who clocked thatthat crisis who clocked that
disaster and they, they captureit forever in their art. And so
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I remember him telling me like,Paul, we're not artists, unless
we, we do something that tellsthe story. And so I remember
sitting with my son saying,Look, man,
are you okay? If I do something?
And he was like, his words wereyou have to, and I was like,
done. I was like, that's it. Andso I just became, like, it just
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became something I just pouredmyself into, as of November of
last year, I started to Iinterviewed and started, I felt
like I had to, because it's notmy story. You know what I mean?
Like, this is one of thoseunique times where I couldn't, I
couldn't just sit down and writesome cool stuff. I couldn't just
be creative. Because it's not,it's not my story. I have to sit
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my ego and all whatever talent Ithink I have, I have to decide
and, and get the story from thepeople who are experiencing it
in the way that teenagers werelike, We all are experiencing it
in a deep and sincere way. Allof us adults are dealing with
it. But we, we think adults areequipped to deal with things
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like this in a in a better waythan teenagers. Teenagers. I
remember the movie on John's useas a famous line in the in the
movie Breakfast Club, where hesays, oftentimes when adults
grow up, their heart dies. Andit's a heavy line. But in some
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ways for me what it means is weforget the beautiful, useful
nature of what it means to be ateenager and what and and like
for us you lock us down and andit means we do more work or it
means we you know we find thingsto do that adults do you know we
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sip our coffee and tell stories.
Teenagers are not wired for thatkind of credit like they are
social in need of their socialnetworks. You know, they're when
you're 16 there are things thatparents don't know about the
only thing that kids The onlyperson that teenager can share
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is another teenage you know,parents don't understand that
there's a whole world of teenagestuff that you don't know, you
know, and they only share withtheir peers. Because it's their
time to slowly becomeindependent. It's their time to
branch out and do things thatbill almost adults. And it's
their, it's their network thatexperiences that taking away
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social friends and stuff likethat from a teenager is like
taking away their oxygen is whatI learned. Yes, they can't
survive with that socialnetwork. Right? We adults,
don't, we forgot that. Andthere's a lot of attention being
paid to seniors, obviously,seniors are affected by COVID in
different ways. It's importantto take care of our seniors,
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there's a lot of trillions ofdollars being spent saving
businesses, that's important topeople got to pay bills in
business. What we need to give avoice to teenage suffering,
because it's not being this whatI see my teen 16 year old going
through, no, no one understandsunless you have unless you're in
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the house as a teenager. And andsome of the teenagers I spoke to
and I interviewed, the things Iheard were just horrifying. You
know, it's just brutal. So we,we just decided with no money
with those that we just had togo make this stuff. And in on
just strength and, and faith.
We're just pushing forward withit.
Terence Shigg (16:32):
And that's the thing that I I mean, I really, I
love the whole process of how,like you said art parallels
history. And, and tells thestory of history, you can see it
in the art. And I think this isan important story, because like
you said, I don't think asadults, we, I don't think it's
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purposeful. I just think it'sreally something that we don't
even it's just not on our radar,unless something like this, or
something like this, that you'recreating, puts it on our radar.
And that's why I think this isimportant because as I because I
experienced that, it it, ittouched me because working with
kids during counseling, that wassomething that was kind of
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coming up that I was like, Idon't know, if we're really
paying attention, because a lotof the the ways that I don't
even know if the right word issuffering, but the ways that our
teenagers are dealing with thisis totally different than the
ways adults would deal withthis. Meaning like you said, we
can stay busy and we can, youknow, drive to drive down the
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road and meditate or whatever wedo as adults, but our kids
really had their own system setup. And it was really
independent of us. And that'swhy we that's kind of how we
teach them. We want them to beindependent of us. But what
happens when you take that away,and you don't replace it with
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anything? Now you just haven'tright boy that and there's no
you know, it sounds depressing,but there's no timetable to say,
Okay, if we can just get throughthis six months, your next
school year, you know, it'll beback to, quote unquote, normal.
I mean, so like you said, itreally tugs at my heart when you
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said, because as parents, wewant to tell them, it's going to
be okay. You know, don't Yeah,we'll take care of it. You know,
it'll be alright. And we knowthat but like you said, In that
moment, that's not what theyneed to hear. That's not what
what they're asking, though.
Paul Bunch (18:41):
Well, it's, it's, it's kind of like, give me my
life back. Mm hmm. You know whatI mean? That's the mood of the
teenagers This is like, like,these teenagers were like, this
is wrong. You know, like, thething I heard is, I'm never
going to get this year back.
Like, being 16 is aquintessential moment in your
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life that it's filled withfirst. It's filled with first
kisses first, you know, datesfirst driving first, you know,
that your your prom, your yourKingston yetta. Yeah, it's
filled with firsts. And when yousteal that it's gone forever.
Terence Shigg (19:21):
So almost like a rite of passage that has been
cut off. Totally. And there'sgot to be there has to be a not
just the grieving process, buta, a way of processing that so
that they can move forward withthe recognition that that was
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lost. It's not like we can say,Oh, yeah, you'll forget about
that.
Paul Bunch (19:46):
No, that's it's gone. Yeah. And look, I want to
be really careful here because Iknow that there's that that I
am. I am focused. thing on thisteenage crisis because I have a
16 year old that I love morethan anything else in life. And
I mean, yeah, so that's I'mfocusing on that there. There
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are many other sides to thiscrisis. Yes. And I'm not, I'm
certainly not making light ofthe suffering that others are
going through. I'm not I'm nottrying to bring that to a point
and say, it's not as important.
It's not about, it's not aboutsaying, hey, they're more
important that all I'm sayingis, we don't understand how
wrong this is. We don't we thinkteenagers can just act like
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adults. And just hunker down fora year doesn't work that way.
does not work that way. And I'veseen it firsthand. And we like
you, if you have a teenager, youbetter sit with them. And and
kind of get a temperature checkon what they're really going
through. If you haven't yetalready. Right.
Terence Shigg (20:57):
I think that's very important to say,
Paul Bunch (21:00):
Oh, my God, dude, like these, one of the teenagers
I talked to was a young lady. Iasked her what's the biggest
problem and she said, my momstopped hugging me. And I
remember calling her mothergoing, you should sit down with
your daughter and have her tellyou what she's telling me.
Because she didn't know anythingshe didn't. She thought
everything was fine. It's notokay. Those are the three words
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that hit me in the face over andover and over every time I talk
to a teenager, it's not okay.
And so, so that's, and I madethe mistake, Terry, of posting
the attempted suicide online,just as a way of trying and
because of that, I got anoverwhelming response. But the
end result is something kind ofheavy. I wake up every morning
(21:45):
now. Every single morning,Terry, I have people sending me
suicide, messages about anothersuicide. Because I started that.
And so I'm linked into thisgroup of people who keep sharing
again, I wake up every morningwith another post about a
teenage teenager who killedthemselves because they didn't
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want to go on anymore. They justdidn't. They felt like
everything had been lost. Yeah.
And so it's brutal, dude. It'slike, I'm Anna. And we, here's,
here's the other secret man andand what you and I and a lot of
adults, we, we carry baggagewell. Adults build, we build a
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mechanism for pretending. Right?
And when I did a read through ofthe scripts with production
crew, but there's about 15people. And these adults were
sobbing during the read throughthe screenplay. And what,
including me, by the way, I'mand I'm a jaded old. You know,
(22:53):
I'm a jaded old. But look itwhat happens is we we keep
telling ourselves, we're strong.
What's something about hearing ateenager, even if it's just on a
page of a script, hearing thethemes where someone else is
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telling the truth about whatthey're feeling? And, and then
the scenes that they begin tocry? Somehow, when it comes to
us, we're gonna go on fine. Butthe connection to this scene,
everybody in the room startedletting some stuff go. Yeah. And
I feel like, that's what's soimportant about this project.
Terence Shigg (23:31):
Yes, that's the that's the the healing best part
of the healing process is thatconnection? Is that recognition
of truth of being able to seesomething and go? Yeah, that's
it. You put your finger, you putyour finger on it, I may not be
able to, to say it. But you saidit for me. And I think that is,
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that's an amazing thing. And Ithink that's what's so powerful
about this project is you arespeaking for a group of people
that I wouldn't say we're notlistening to, but we're not
paying attention to. Right, andI really believe that this
project will get that voice outthere. And one of the things I
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really wanted to say is, I knowit's not and I think it's
important to to make thatrealization that it's not okay.
And instead of trying to giveour teenagers a pep talk, that
we walk with them, instead oftrying to take them somewhere,
meaning you're right, it's notokay, this sucks. But I'm, I'm
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here in the middle with you.
That's that's what I can promiseyou. I can promise you that.
Paul Bunch (24:44):
I'm going to be here with you. And that's that's
where you start. That's yourperson and that you're hurting
to. Yeah, like, like a couple ofthe teenagers that I spoke to
that were annoyed that, like oneof the young men was like They
have the his parents has thesezoom parties, and he was like,
(25:05):
it's annoying to him, you know,to see party going on and like
his life is just gone. Right?
Even if it's a pretend zoomparty, it was annoying to this
young man that parents wereengaging in that. And I think i
think i think what you have todo is let him know you're
hurting, too. You know, youknow, you're hurting too. It's a
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shared experience. Everybody.
Shared burden.
Terence Shigg (25:30):
Yeah. And I didn't know I was gonna say, and
this is something that we can IOh, the phrase always comes to
mind as you can chew gum andwalk to. So it's not Yeah, it's
not this all or nothing type ofmentality that we we hear all
the time. It's okay. This iswhere we are. How do we do this?
(25:51):
How do we still connect? becauselike you said, just sitting down
with your teenager is sovaluable to be able to, to share
that experience and go, you'reright. It's not okay. It sucks.
And I'm here with you. I agree.
It sucks. And yeah, and thatjust opens up a whole nother
avenue for them to be able toexpress instead of having to put
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on that face of Yeah, I knowit's going to be okay. Back up,
rub some dirt on it all thatother crap. Yeah, tell them this
isn't time to
Paul Bunch (26:25):
be on that is beyond a you know, you skinned your
knee, you get up and take itoff. Dude, this is brutal. This
is worldwide. This is life, ordeath. This is existential, this
is whatever words you want touse. It's not okay, this is very
unusual. And there's a lot ofbaggage associated with this.
(26:46):
And I think, and I don't mean tosound self important, I think if
we can get this project out infront of teenagers, and they can
hear other teenagers in thismovie, share, and we're not
making this movie to kind ofmake everyone stew in the
misery. It's not about that thepurpose of this project is to
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show it's the story of how youcan overcome this misery by
coming together and sharingexperience and, and finding
things that help you move to apositive place, though, find
that because at the end of theday, this project is to tell
everyone give your teenagerstheir life back, dip, find ways
(27:32):
to give them their life backthis last weekend. We called
some parents are like, get yourphone tested, get them over to
my house this week, then a groupof friends so up here at my
house, and we had created alittle bubble for them to share
time together. Yes. And and youhave to fight for that. You have
(27:52):
to you know, we we can't keepputting ourselves first we got
this, you know?
Terence Shigg (27:59):
And but no. And that's, that's when I say that
we can chew gum and walk at thesame time. Those types of
creative solutions are arethings that we should be
focusing even more attention to,because that's how we that's how
we help them get through this,which is okay, how can we do
(28:20):
this in a safe way? Okay,everybody get tested come by,
we'll have a friendship pod, ifyou want to call it a social pod
Where? Okay, these groups, we'veall been tested. We're the only
ones that are hanging out witheach other, then. Yep, give them
that connection. Give them apiece of it back. Um, yeah, get
through this. But yeah, and justthe effort that you put into it
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shows them that you see him thatyou that you're listening, and
that's invaluable of itself,because now they know I'm not
crazy, because that's, that'sthe thought that process that we
go through. Especially not evenjust teenagers. But as humans,
the first thing we go through isokay, well, nobody else is
thinking like this. I must bethe only one I must be crazy.
(29:08):
Until I reach out and yourealize, wait a minute. There's
a million other people thatthink this sucks too. I'm not
the only one. Yeah.
Paul Bunch (29:17):
Yeah. Yeah.
Terence Shigg (29:18):
And I will do definitely will do holding light
to that.
Paul Bunch (29:23):
Totally, totally.
And I and I'm pushing a littlefurther than some, some people
will I think some people willtake issue with the degree at
which the statement is andthat's okay. I know there are
there are people will agree withthis and disagree with it. But
we this this, we believe thatall schools need to reopen
immediately, period. You know,that's what we believe we
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believe you need to stop, youknow, stop with the nonsense.
Stop it like like the CDC istelling us that this does not
spread in schools, you know, andteenagers are not at risk. You
know what I mean? They've beenvery Are you clear about that?
And we, we keep we keeppretending that. I mean, if you
look at nurses and you look atpolice officers, you look at
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firefighters, they put, they putthe uniform on and they go to
the front lines. And they theydo their job no matter what
they've never stopped doingtheir job. Teachers should be as
brave as police officers,because it's that important.
Yes, it's that important.
Terence Shigg (30:26):
And I, I keep going back to that, chewing
bubble gum and walking, becauseI do think that there is a way
to do that. And we already havethe evidence, because there are
schools, private institutionsthat are doing it already.
Right. So we have the blueprint,it's not like you have to
recreate the wheel. It's, it'sout there. So yeah, it can be
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done.
Paul Bunch (30:49):
If you toggle and if you have some accuracy,
teachers, keep them home. Youknow what I mean? If you have
some teachers with additionalhealth issues, we understand
that those people are a risk.
Nobody. Nobody wants to hurt theteachers. We need to stop
hurting the teenagers. Like atsome point, you have to set your
your needs aside and put thekids first when when did we stop
(31:10):
doing?
Terence Shigg (31:12):
Yes, no.
Paul Bunch (31:13):
When did we stop putting the kids first we think
we gotta stop doing that.
Terence Shigg (31:18):
And it's funny, I laugh when you say that. Because
when we when this thing firststarted, and they started
saying, okay, wash your hands.
My first question is, when do westop washing our hands? But we
need to start listening to toour kids. I definitely. Um, I
(31:43):
also wanted to because youshared a little bit of the music
over this. Can you tell me tellus tell them about this
phenomenal musician that youfound?
Paul Bunch (31:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
maleek maleek. Will caught andand Dave reichart and Albert's
so these guys are just likegods. And you know, Terry, you
and I grew up you've heard mesaying I am not musical. I think
I am tone deaf. And I am not atall. But as a writer, being in
the room, scribbling lyrics andhanding it to musicians, and
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then watching them just startcreating music was a magical
experience for all, you know, weall got tested, we all create
our own little bubble when wegot in there. And we all knew we
were negative. And everybody wassaying math came off. You know.
And and, and you know, sometimesthey call it the spirit call it
(32:43):
a Holy Ghost, whatever you wantto call it. We were all
inspired. And and some reallyamazing music came from two
weeks at at this music studio.
And that was all donated to us.
By the way, everybody, they'rejust came for the call. You know
what I mean? Like I that's beenmy experience is like, we're
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calling people up saying, look,we got no money. All I got is a
really important story to tellyou. And the response has been
Amen. Yeah. So yeah, man, twoweeks of watching those
musicians. You know, and youheard some of the music that's
going to be in the film. It's aagain, man, like, it just it was
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was was making people cry. Youknow, it was just, it's been a
emotional roller coaster everystep of the way. And, you know,
the majority of the work isstill ahead of us. But it's
something we we love doing andsomething we look forward to
getting into March one Principalphotography begins March 1.
Okay, and so we're casting,we're casting a lot of kids this
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week, some talented kids. Andyeah, man looking looking
forward to getting this and weyou know, this is one of those
projects, we're just giving itaway. We're not, we're not,
we're not doing a portion of theproceeds or anything like that.
We're making this film andgiving it to the world. Yeah,
because, again, we honestlybelieve in the most sincere,
humble way. If you show this toa lot of kids, it may save some
(34:13):
lives.
Terence Shigg (34:17):
Oh, and I definitely believe it will save
lives. I don't think there's amay about it. I think just I
think you've alreadyaccomplished that, to a certain
degree that you may not evenrealize of saving lives because
you've given a voice to, to agroup that if nothing else, now
knows that somebody isacknowledging and recognizes
(34:40):
what they're going through. It'snot they're not doing this
alone. And that's always thescary time is when we convince
ourselves and not justteenagers, but as adults, when
we convince ourselves that it's,it's just me, and nobody else
will understand. And I have tojust, you know, pretend like
like I'm everybody like, I'mnormal. quote unquote, and then
(35:02):
you, you break that, the moreyou can break that falsehood
and, and show people that it'snot just you, all of us are
going through this. And all ofus are trying to figure it out.
And you're not crazy. And nomatter what, I'm going to be
here right next to you,sometimes in front of you,
(35:22):
because I'm your dad, and I'mgoing to protect you from
whatever I can, but I'm going towalk along with you no matter
what. That's what, that's whatthese that's what kids need,
they really need that. And thatis what helps in these types of
situations. Awesome, brother.
Awesome. The only I guess I wasgonna ask you, is there and I
don't know anything about themovie industry? Besides you? Is
(35:45):
there a if you're, if someone isinclined to help support this
type of project? Is there a wayfor them to do that?
Paul Bunch (35:58):
Oh, my God. Um, yeah, look, if anyone would like
to reach out whether they wantto sprint to actually share the
film with a particularnetworking group, they can they
can call river rock film. It?
Can I share the number? Yes,yes, definitely. Yeah. Okay, at
323-459-4269. That's the riverrock main line. And, or they can
reach us at Paul, my emailaddress is Paul bunch at river
(36:21):
rock films.com. So if anyone whowould like a free copy of the
film or a link to the film, sothey can share whether it's with
church groups, or school groups,or networking groups, we're, as
I said, we're just giving thisaway, we just, we're working.
Our plan is to work with some ofthe influencers, some of the
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online influencers, like thehigh powers and kids like
Addison Ray, and, okay, Molly isjust people that, you know,
these kids have 75 millionpeople follow this one. So they
post it and, and, and with anyluck, a lot of kids will take
the time to watch this man,that's, that's the hope.
Terence Shigg (37:05):
Okay. And all that information will be in the
show notes if you didn't writeit down, so they don't have to
memorize it. And I can guaranteeyou and promise you that once
this gets out that we will get agroup of kids together and watch
this and discuss this. And makesure that it's something and I
know even by just talking toyou, it's definitely put it on
(37:26):
my radar. So that as I talk toand and visit with kids, it is
something that is always presentin my mind to just check in with
them to just see and let themknow that I know that sucks.
And, yeah, if you need anything,this is where you, I'm here.
Paul Bunch (37:45):
And thank you so and get the house, let's get them
out of the house, get find a wayto give, give them access to
their friends. You know what Imean? break the rules, if you
have to, honestly, it's time,it's time to break the rule of I
know, that's a controversialthing to say, I know there are
still people dying. I know, Iunderstand that, that there that
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we need to be careful. I know weneed to take care of people that
are sick. All of that is true.
We also need break the rules,and get your teenagers a piece
of advice that
Terence Shigg (38:18):
they need to know that they are just as important
as a business just as importantas toilet paper. I mean, they
are they are indeed Yeah, theyare very important. And they are
I mean I just I love the theidea of the film. And I really
(38:39):
think that this is this is justthe beginning. I think this type
of project that you're doing isgoing to be the focal point for
that flood of creativity that'sgoing to come out of this type
of situation that will be partof that healing process because
I really think that what you dois not only tells the story but
(39:03):
it also connects people in a waythat allows them to heal and
that's my therapist at talkingbut it really is I mean it's
just obvious to me
Paul Bunch (39:13):
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, man look forward to you know,
giving you the final productvery soon. And when we get when
we get into the post, I want youto come You know, check it out.
Terence Shigg (39:28):
Oh, absolutely. I will be there. Okay, testa, mask
glove whatever I need to do I'llbe
Paul Bunch (39:38):
fair enough. Fair enough. I have
Terence Shigg (39:42):
anything else that you wanted to share or
Paul Bunch (39:47):
no man just like it growing myself through this
process was like you know,watching watching the you know,
everyone slowly come to termsWith a how to piece your life
back together, you know, justjust day by day, finding ways to
lift people up, you know, it'sbeen a it's been like this, this
(40:09):
process of writing and workingon this film kind of forces you
to re examine all the ways inwhich you talk and act during
the day. Are you lifting peopleup? Are you? Are you, you know,
causing misery? You know? Soyeah, man, it's just, it's been
a really amazing experience. Andhopefully, all of this will be a
(40:30):
distant memory. You know, itreally is up to us. You know, we
I hear people say, you know, atsome point, they're going to
give us our life back. Now, man,we have to take our life back.
At some point, it's up to us.
When when we decide to moveforward and go, Oh, maybe I can,
you know, live a little betternow, you know? Yes. So, but it's
(40:52):
complex, it's a very complexissue more than anything else.
This project reminded me howthere are very varying degrees
of views on that there arevarying degrees, and everyone's
position is valid. But I'mtelling one particular story,
I'm gonna hit that going hard,and try and base awareness and
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maybe save some loss. So Godbless everybody out there.
Terence Shigg (41:20):
All right.
So we'll come to the conclusionof this episode. And I hope that
it was informative, and I hopeit gave you some things to think
about. But most of all, I hopeit spurs you to do something.
(41:44):
And I want to do somethingmyself. And I want to do
something for the teenagers andthe parents out there. So if
you're a parent, and you have ateenager, and they are there
with you, or at some later time,after you listen to this, please
(42:06):
sit them down and, and not onlytalk to them, and if you need
some help, in the words to say,then here's an example for you.
Go ahead and get them in, sitthem down and let them listen to
to this, this two minutes that Iwould like to share with them. I
(42:30):
would like to share this to allthe teenagers out there that
feel alone. To all the teenagersout there that deal is the
though they are not being heard.
I like to put this out there toall the the teenagers out there
(42:52):
that are hurting right now.
Because there are there are lotsof them. So sit down for a
second and just listen to myhumble attempt to to help. Well,
(43:14):
first thing I'd like to say toto all of you is whatever you're
thinking, whatever you're madat, whatever you are
disappointed by. I'd like to sayI'm sorry. I'm sorry for this
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last year, that has taken away alot of the joy and activities
and transitions that aretraditionally yours. I'm sorry
for this time in your life whereyou are learning to take control
(44:01):
being taken away from you. Andmost of all, I'm sorry that no
one said this before. That it'staken this long for someone to
sit you down and say simply, I'msorry. And I say that with a
(44:26):
heavy heart. Because I know thatthere are some teenagers out
there. This is probably too latefor there's some teenagers out
there that we've already lost.
Because no one because theydidn't hear these words soon
enough I should say. They didn'thear the concern and the
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affirmation from those of us whoare in charge in, I put air
quotes around in charge. Theyheard us gripe and moan about
the political situations andabout how this person did that
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and how our freedoms are beingendangered and challenged. But
they didn't hear us speaking forthem. And in some cases, they
didn't hear us speaking to them.
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And for that, I'm sorry. And Imake a commitment. And I hope
that whoever sat you down tolisten to this will make this
commitment with me that fromthis day forward, your voice
will be heard that I will makeit a commitment on my part, that
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each day I let your voice beheard. Be that with local
politicians be that with thepowers that be or be that simply
one on one, with the teenagersthat I that I deal with, you
(46:24):
will be heard.
And you will be affirmed. And Iwill agree with you. In saying
that it's not okay. It's notokay, this time that you've
lost. And we can't get it back.
But going forward, we can insistthat you will be heard, you can
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insist that we do everythingthat we can to make this time as
best we can. And I don't knowwhat that means right now. I
(47:12):
don't know what that means foreach individual teenager family
out there. But I'm making thecommitment to try making the
commitment to try to reach outto the teenagers that are out
there that feel alone. And letthem know that it's not okay.
(47:34):
It's not okay that you've beenignored, and that your situation
has been steamrolled by theadult problems of the world. I
like to say we can chew gum andwalk at the same time or we can
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pat our head and rub our stomachat the same time. And I want
every person, especially theteenagers within the sound of my
voice to know that you areimportant. You are our future,
you are the crown jewel of oursociety. And you should be
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treated as such. And so mycommitment right here. And I
pray that those that are withyou, that puts you in front of
this recording will make thatcommitment with me is that we
are going to make every effortwe are going to do everything
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within our power to make surethat you are heard that we
understand as much as possiblethat this is not okay. And that
we do everything that we can toget you back to where you feel
as though you are back incontrol of your development of
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your growing of yourindependence of your learning.
We've taken enough away fromyou. It's time for us to start
fighting to give it back. Iwanted to at least make this
apology and put this in thisepisode. So that those of us out
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there that hear this and we knowof a teenager that may appear to
be doing just fine. I want youto know
that they need to hear that youunderstand that it's not okay.
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What they've had to go throughand that we are going to make it
a priority to change that. Asthe adults we have a
responsibility to them. We havea responsibility to let them
know that they are thatimportant that we're going to
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fight to give them back theirfreedom, their ability to
develop their social networks,their friends, their times their
experiences, we're gonna fightto get those things back for
(50:29):
them. And we're not going totell them what that is we're
going to ask them how, and whatdo they need. We're gonna affirm
that how they feel is real, thatit's not okay, that we haven't
listened to them. And we'regonna be there alongside of
them, walking with them throughthis time. That's all I had to
(50:55):
say. I just wanted to make surethat I put that in there was
after listening to the episodeagain, it was on my heart and I
wanted to make sure that there'ssomething in here so that the
parents, the friends, even theteenagers that may listen to
this will know that we dounderstand and we are going to
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do better at making sure that itgets to the point where it's
okay again. That's all for now.
I look forward to the nextepisode. I hope that this one
intrigued you. And if it did,please subscribe and share with
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your friends and family. And letthem know about the podcast
that'll be out every two weeks.
And like I said, the new formatwill be I'll do a solo episode
and then I'll do one with aguest. So I'll have two episodes
a month one with the guests andone by myself. So once again, as
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I can do all I can do. I'm notafraid of the moment. I'm not
afraid I can't hold it. Gottaget up in the morning. I gotta
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tell ya. No, I'm just takingwhatever controller so many
opponents coming opponents. Igotta give it a fun. Not only
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