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Speaker 1 (00:01):
How do you maintain confidence? It's elusive and it's tough
to hold on to. Can the Rangers do it? We'll
find out at least talk about it. Next it's the
DLLs Rangers Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, the Rangers.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
At the last series and really, as we mentioned yesterday,
a little bit of momentum even in that horrific Tampa series.
Hi there, welcome into the All City Sports Studios. It's
the DLLs Rangers Podcast. John Radigan, Jeff Wilson. Queen is
here today, but she's overdoing some other duties. So we've

(00:45):
got Ryan Vaughters in here for me. It's a reunion.
Ryan and I, as I told Jeff, we were Pelican Kings,
top of the charts, Pelican Kings. You heard of the
Tiger Kings, Tiger King, whatever that dude was.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
We had.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
We had Pelicans in this No, we just we had
a whole farm of Pelicans.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Your relationship to a whole other level. Oh, we had.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
We did the New Orleans Pelicans games together. Ryan was
the full time producer. I filled in a fair amount
on Pelicans games. So anyway, Uh, we go back to
our Fox in Bally days and it's great to have
Ryan over here. Helping us out now. A very talented guy.
So anyway, that's who's here today. Feel free to say

(01:30):
hello to him, chat with him, chat with us, talk
about what we're about to talk to, which is a
lot of things that that speak to the mindset Jeff
of a team that that needs positivity if nothing else
right now. Right, it's just we've talked about it. When
I had my long conversation the other you know, I

(01:51):
guess it was last homestand so it wasn't the other day.
But when I sat, you know, had a chat with
Brett Boone, you know, he talked about how it right now,
they can.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
All do it.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It's all up here, which is to say, confidence being
maybe foremost among those things.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah up here. Well, I think, yeah, these guys are
the best of the best, right They're at the highest
level of baseball in the world. They've been successful at
every level, and they've even been successful in the major leagues,
and so for them to go completely could put all
together suggests you know, either a collective like abandonment of

(02:32):
everything they've ever done mechanically, or that, yeah, they're getting
frustrated the hits aren't falling, and when the hits don't
fall in your batting average up on the big board
is starts with a one or a two, and the
next number is a zero or one. Yeah, you're not here.
I'm feeling too good about that. So I wonder if

(02:53):
that's not right. You know, a little confidence goes a
long way. Hitting, as they say, is contagious. I think
confidence is too. If if a couple guys start going well,
and that appears to be the case here with Simeon
and Berger and Carter at least in this last series,
then maybe they will drag people with them. You sure
hope so.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
And you really hope that obviously the pitching stays confident,
stays as it is. You hope, under any circumstances that
the rotation stays as it is. And that's big picture too.
And Jeff some news today or you know, a statement,

(03:32):
a comment from see why I can think kind of
at least assures us that at least the people will
be the same.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, he said yesterday on his radio show on one
oh five to three of the Fan. They're not trading
Jacob de Gram and they're not trading Nathan Vivaldi. Those
guys were signed to be fixtures in the rotation for many,
many years, and yeah, they make a lot of money
and the Rangers can probably get some good stuff for him.
But the Rangers are feel like their management ownership feels

(04:03):
like they're in the window or they're going to be
good for a lot a lot of years, and that
they have the pieces in place they want in place. Also,
signaling that they're not going to make those trades is
kind of a vote of confidence for the rest of
the team, right, like, Hey, we're not doing anything. We
believe in you guys. Get out there and do it,

(04:26):
you know, So maybe that's another confidence boose. You know,
nothing makes a team feel better in July than adding
players telling the team, hey, we believe in you guys.
Even last year when it was when it was Carson
Kelly and Andrew Schafin, Yeah, you know, not exactly huge

(04:47):
difference makers. That still made the team feel good. They're like, hey,
these guys believe in us. Now it's up to us.
Didn't happen, But so there is there is a psychological
component it to this. You know, what did Yogi Bear
say ninety percent of the game is half mental? Yeah,
is physical game is half mental? Whatever he said, that's

(05:12):
kind of where they're at. And Chris Young knows that
Chris Young was a player for thirteen years in the
major leagues, won a World Series. Okay, he knows what
it takes. He's seeing the ups, he's seen the downs,
and he isn't wavering. And he also looks at the standings,
and nobody's running away with this thing. And so if

(05:32):
all the Rangers have to do is get get hot,
have a good two week three week stretch, they're right
back in this thing. And it's certainly possible. And and
the Washington series, you hope, is what kind of springboards
because there were good things that happened in there.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, I just double checked it. That's the Yogi quote.
Ninety percent of the game is half mental. But the
you know answering in Google's says it highlights the significant
mental aspects of the sport. Or even though the physical
ability is important, the mental fortitude strategy plays such a
huge part in performance and winning. And like, that's not

(06:14):
breaking news. We've known that really forever, from you know,
going all the way back to kids playing. Confidence can
be huge, and this team offensively hasn't shown a lot
of confidence. We're going to get into more of that
and talk about what Marcus Simon called the hardest job
in sports or in baseball later, and that is being

(06:34):
a hitting coach.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
We'll talk Minnesota Series and the big cleanup segment in
which we'll talk about some of the things that you
brought up rarities about Leoti Taveres and kimberl both being released.
So we'll talk about those things in the cleanup segment.
In the meantime, we continue to talk about really what
Cy said and truly Jeff, the mental aspect, the mental

(07:01):
you know, SolV of that in that if even if
this team right doesn't add anybody, which I think you
know is certainly a possibility, as is trading somebody depending
on what happens in the next six weeks. But even
if they don't add, I think if if management says,

(07:24):
by not trading anybody, if they just stay the course
to this group, which knows how talented it is, I
think that sends almost maybe not quite as strong a
message as Cliff Lee did in twenty ten, when you know,
Ian Kinsler did cartwheels down the hall and said we're
going to win the World Series. But it still sends

(07:46):
that positive message.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It does. And and you know you can't say that
the Rangers coaches and front office haven't been behind these guys.
I guess they've sent some guys down, you know, Jake Burger,
they were like, Hey, this is this is to get
the best out of you for the long haul. Even
with a Doles. They're telling a Doles, we're gonna sit

(08:08):
you down. You're gonna make some swing changes because this
is what's best for you. We believe in you, we
see how healthy you are, Go and go out and
get better and be as good as we believe you
can be. So there's confidence across the board. They stayed
with Marcus Simeon at a time when a lot of
guys that have been on the bench. A lot of
that is because of who Marcus is and what he

(08:29):
means to the team. Probably his salary too. But and
and now it looks like he's come come around. So
now they need to give a little, uh little love
to to why at Langford put their arms around why
I get him going. They're not worried about Corey Seeger
even remotely, even though he's in a career long slump.
It's just it's just it's all there. They still believe it.

(08:52):
They they say it every day to us. Bruce Bochy
every day says this team is going to hit this
this team is going to do it. And that's in
the face of arguably eight months of evidence that says no,
his name is not going to do it. Yeah, but
he believes. And I guess he has no choice but
to believe. And maybe you know what Andrew Dufrain used

(09:14):
to say, and shash aink Hope is a good thing,
you know, the best of things. You gotta hope. Of course,
hope isn't a great strategy. No, it's not exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I was just going to say the same thing, But
I will say that when you asked last home stand again,
you asked Boach about, Hey, have you ever considered that
these you know, the numbers these guys are putting up basically,
that these guys are what we're seeing. And he said no,
he said, I gotta believe in them. And he and

(09:45):
he references we've heard so many times back of their
baseball cards, and certainly Marcus Simeon's you know ledger on
the back of his baseball card is lengthy. Adulus Garcia's
baseball card isn't quite as full of numbers or as
of years at the major.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
League level, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
But a guy like a Dooley Scarcia, I think the
jury might still be out.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
YEAHO is he there? It is? And I do think
though when you look at the career numbers, we're not
talking about a three hundred hitter. We're not even talking
about a two fifty hitter. All right, So with a Doless,
you know there's going to be a lot of lows,
but the highs can be They can carry a team,
they really can. Does he have that in him? Still?

(10:30):
Is he too far gone in his own head? Is
his swing such a train wreck that he can't do it?
I would argue that, you know, it would be really
nice at a big boost for a doles Gcarcia if
he were to lay off the pitches that give him
the most trouble, even if it's just one at bat
that results in a walk. If they go slider, slider,

(10:51):
fastball high, fastball high, and hey, he doesn't swing and
he gets a walk, that would do something for right, think, yes,
just to see the positive results from one at bat.
So it's it's in him. It didn't just suddenly escape
him after April of last season. No, somewhere in there's
a is a is a offensive force or a guy

(11:14):
with that potential. The Rangers just have to hope it
they unlock.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
And find the key, right. Yeah, and we we see you,
Jim Rockford, uh, every day in there telling us, you know,
they need to trade Adulis Garcia and who knows. I
mean that may happen again, it depends on what happens
in the next six weeks. You would like to get
something for him rather than just non tender him at
the end of the season, which would be certainly a

(11:40):
possibility if he doesn't turn things around. That said, he's
not you know, it's not gonna get you much in
return the way he's played right.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Right, And what are you gonna trade him for? That's
always the question. What what are what are you going
to trade him for? And what are you you know,
what are you gonna get? Again? So, what are you
gonna get for a guy who's hitting two ten, hasn't
hit a homer in a while, and is making nine
point one two five nine point four million dollars this year?

(12:12):
What are you going to get for that guy? There's
just not a lot. You're gonna have to eat a
lot of that salary, and even then you're not gonna
get back a premium, premium prospect, even with that extra
year of control next year. I just can't possibly see
that happening now, that a Rangers getting anything for him.

(12:35):
So at that point, you're just dumping him, trying to
dump some salary, and maybe that becomes Maybe that happens
if the Rangers feel like we can get by with
an outfield of Langford Carter, oh soon, a slash Haggarty,
and if we can save let's say a million and
a half dollars, and if that in turn gets them

(12:56):
something that could help them, then maybe I could see
it happening. But I just don't know that another team
is out there, Like God, I gotta get that.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Garcia right, Yeah, and you know the reality is, oh sooner.
I believe has a tremendously positive upside. But where he
burst onto the scene and reached base in his first
seven or eight or nine major league games, he's dipped
a little bit here too, Right, I'm not sure he's
not necessarily ready for this.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, you know, the look, he's he's young, he's barely
played it at Triple A. Right, he had the wonderful spring,
slow start at Frisco, took care of that, was was
doing great at the end of the month. Was moved
up in early May and did okay. Right round Rock

(13:47):
did fine. But it does seem as if things have
caught up with him a little bit here. He does
he does have good at bats, I you know, he
they may not result in anything positive, but he will
see pitches and so he has the foundation to be okay.
Like everybody, you need mistakes, you know, that's what that's

(14:11):
what these guys hit. You don't You don't see these
guys hitting of regularity a pitcher's pitch right out of
the ballpark or even into the outfield. So I do
I do wonder though, if if maybe it's time for
him to get a reset, go back down, go to
Triple A where he is going to play every day, sure,
and and just get comfortable again, work on some things

(14:33):
that maybe the the Rangers have learned about him through
the way he's being pitched by other Major leaguers, and
then apply it and give him, I don't know, three
weeks or a month, and then if it's if it's good,
and if everything else is still stinky, then bring him up. Yep.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
And that's the best thing for a minor league player
is just more at bats at the at the minor
league level before he gets to the major league level.
It was necessary to bring him up when they did,
and he showed well, but he could still benefit greatly
from more time at the minor league level. So anyway,
we've got more coming up as we continue to scurry
through this day on the ds Rangers Podcast, We're going

(15:13):
to get to the series in Minnesota and then that
hardest job in baseball, trying to get these guys to hit.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's all coming up.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
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(16:49):
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I'm a sucker. I've got a guilty pleasure on the
batters and the doze. Going way back to when I
was a kid, my mom would make you know, brownies
and we'd get to quote unquote lick the ball right,
just kind of man, I love that. And then, but
I honestly haven't had any dough batter, cookie dough anything

(17:13):
since my kids kind of moved. I used to do
the same thing with them.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right after we got done making cookies, or the wife did,
or whoever did, we would we would eat the cookie
dough or the brownie batter and this is fine.

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the thing.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
About them, the batter or the dough. I did it
growing up, right, and then when I got married, and
i'd do it, you know, even before kids. My wife
would go, oh my god, you're eating that and there's
raw eggs in there.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm like, do you know who else ate ra eggs?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Rocky, Rocky, damn it, Rocky ate raw eggs and lots
of them. So if I get just a little bit
of a raw egg and my brownie batter or my
cookie dough. I'm not scared. Yeah, not even a little bit.
So why should you be? You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Absolutely Rocky can do it anybody.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I mean he drank eggs, didn't He didn't he
put them all into a cup and drink them.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I couldn't do that, I'll be honest with you. I
couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
But I can't eat him out of a out of
a cookie dough or a brownie batter. That's for damn sure.
So Minnesota series coming up. The Rangers sent Tyler Mallley
to the Mountain tonight. It's another interesting subplot. There always
are so many.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Again.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
He came to the Rangers from Cincinnati, but he's a
former Minnesota twin too, that's right.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And not a lot of time there, and not a
lot of healthy time there. They paid for his Tommy
John surgery and yep, twenty twenty three. It's pretty interesting.
I talked to him about that. He's like, you know,
because he looked at this numbers and the numbers are good.
He's like, numbers are good, but you could tell the
stuff wasn't any good. He said in the velost he

(19:13):
was off. He was getting maybe not maybe not lucky,
but you know what I'm saying, it just wasn't right.
So I don't know that the Twins ever experienced a
healthy Tyler Mallley and and the Rangers are experiencing it
now and it looks fantastic. So if he can keep
things going, that's good. The Twins still searching for a starter,

(19:35):
at least I haven't seen one that's been named as
of yet, but again, they're going through their own injury
woes ye on the pitching front. So it would seem
that the Rangers, even though the Twins are nineteen and
ten at home, that the Rangers have it a little
bit of an opening here to maybe take advantage of
some starters who aren't as sharp as the guys who

(19:57):
are hurt Pablo Dopez and Zebbie Matthew, and then get
into the bullpen, not the high leverage guys, because the
high leverage guys are right. Yeah, So go ahead and
strike early, give these pitchers a lead, and then make
make the Twins work a little bit.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, knowing that you generally have you know, I mean
literally against almost any rotation, knowing that you go out
there with that advantage, right of you know, I'm really
just functionally, you have a better pitcher right almost every
night than the opponent does. So yeah, transferred that over

(20:39):
to scoring early. But also in the case of this
road series, Jeff to uh, to win that first game.
I mean again, they have to. The mindset has to
be to take them all one at a time at
this point. But win that first game and now you've
for sure, you know, you got two shots at winning
the series.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, and Blake is saying Simeon Woods Richardson might be
the starter for the Twins, and uh that that would
that would add up. So if he does start, he
he opened the season with the Twins on I think
made his first omen day roster. They sent him down.
He's been in Triple A. Yeah, the ap is is

(21:20):
writing that he has been recalled to start the opener
of a three game series and he wasn't bad. You know,
the numbers five O two area doesn't look very good,
but you know, early in the season those numbers can
get skewed pretty badly. You know, they're Triple A teams
just in Saint Paul now, so it's like, oh, wow,

(21:42):
RISC go to here.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
He could uber yeah over exactly so, but five O
two is not his minor league right, No, no, no, that.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Was major league. Anyway, I thought your point in my frost,
I do like the Calmel now we could trade. Yeah,
So anyway, so there you go, there's your question. But again,
not a not a guy who is necessarily Pablo Lopez
or no or Jack Morris or Brad Radkey, you know,

(22:12):
great great Twins pitcher, Burt bly Levin Levin. All right,
so we're not we're not looking at Uh, there's an opportunity,
I guess, is what I'm saying. Simeon wood Richardson from
sugar Land. I did not I did not know that.
I didn't know it was sugar Land. But he has
pitched well at home this year in his in his
three starts. But anyway, there's a chance here, Yeah, there is.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And uh, look, Tyler Mallley's just been you know, I mean,
he's got the era he's got for a reason. And
that's after you know, I didn't even want to call
it a bad start, you know, just a so so start.
I guess by this the lofty standards that he has
set for himself and the rest of the rotation has
early this.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Season well, and he didn't get any help from the bullpen.
That's a great point. Here are the four runs that
he allowed or inherited runners. Yeah. Uh, you know Jake
Latz let in kind of a kind of a messy Inians. Yeah,
that that series was marked by messy Indians, one one
each one each game. Uh. So, yeah, I think I
think he's fine and and so i've you know, he's

(23:18):
had had the rest, He's he's ready to go. They
pushed him back instead of starting him Sunday, so he
should he should be fresh and ready to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I think it was Saturday in Washington and there were
a couple of hot shots hit over toward the Rangers
dugout foul balls, and Boach handled both of them with
a plum beautifully. One of them literally coming right at him,
and he just caught it right like a good catcher would.

(23:49):
He's got big hands. It ain't a catcher smitt, but
you know he had Boy, he got it around that baseball.
So hoping his defense continues. We're hoping to show you
a part of the interview that he did with Matt
Hicks the next day, because Boach, in his typical funny way,
Boach says, well, I can't get out of the way

(24:12):
of them, so I got to catch him. You know,
you've all seen Boach walk. I mean, you know again,
he was a catcher his whole career. You know, the
wheels are kind of gone. He's haid knee surgeries and
I don't know what all, but I got he can still.
And he said that last, that second one, he said
it was coming in hot, it was going to hit
him in the face if it didn't get.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
The guy who caught Nolan Ryan and j R. Richard
that's right. I think, yeah, I think he can. I
think he can handle a foul ball a ball, yeah, yeah,
So but we'll hope. And he said the guys were
giving him a bunch of grief about that, of course,
and and good for them and and good for him
because it ain't bragging if you can do it, and
and that's exactly what Boach did. So and it's also

(24:54):
one of those things like, all right, guys, I'm playing
good defense, so make sure you guys do too. And
actually that has not been a problem overall. You mentioned
those innings. There have been those innings, but thank goodness,
we haven't had to have the discussion very often. It's
just been one thing all year, which we're going to
talk about next, and that's the hitting. But it's really

(25:17):
that's that's been the thing. Generally hasn't been sloppy play
generally haven't been other than that Tampa series. Too many
mental mistakes, and there's generally been great pitching. So it
all boiled down to that one thing. And so they
try to keep that going tonight, and then they try

(25:38):
to keep the pitching going. They send Jack lighter tomorrow
right correct, And the way he's been going, he's I
think if he keeps going like this, Jeff, he's going
to get himself into if he's not already the conversation
for Rookie of the Year, well you should be, you know,
and and you know, the starter to and get to

(26:01):
play as much as some of these guys like I
would assume that Jacob Wilson from the A's is the
is the I think he's the odds on the front runner.
I don't think he was out of eligibility last year.
I ran out of eligibility. Maybe he did, I don't know,
but he's what a what a player he is, so

(26:22):
that that's looking good. But yeah, I mean Jack's been
that good. Yeah, he really has been. And again, this
is a guy you know, you take advantage of opportunities,
and every year there are guys who do that. Last
year it was Josh Smith. When Josh Young was hurt,
Josh Smith stepped in and was great and had an
argument to be an All Star. If you looked at

(26:43):
the numbers of third baseman, he you could say he go.
You could even say he got robbed if you wanted,
But uh, take advantage of the opportunities that are presented
to you. Osuna had the given the chance spring training
and played his little tail off and look at what

(27:04):
it's parlead he's parleaded into. He was he was an
early call up to this team because the coaches love
the way he played so so for Lighter, I can't
imagine that they would take him out of the rotation,
you know, I just cannot. Even when Bradford and Gray
are healthy, if they're stretch out of starters, I just

(27:26):
don't see Jack Lyder getting getting removed from the rotation. No.
So it's that's how that's how good he's been. And
then of course the the finale in the day game Thursday,
our guy Patrick Corbyn. We're now, we're now. I never
I was never critical of him, Yes you were, Oh
was I Yeah? I don't remember. He's he's he's he's everything.

(27:49):
We thought he'd beat well.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
It was hard to predict this given his last five years,
and it would have been impossible to predict that he
would go back to Washington as he did in his
last start and throw an eighty nine pitch complete game.
Are you kidding me? This is the guy that led
the I think led Major League Baseball, but for sure
led the National League in innings pitch that was great

(28:13):
for the last five years and starts that was great
for the last five years. But he also had the
highest ra in the last five years of any pitcher
in the game. So you know, the takeaways from that
are he's a warhorse man. He gets out there and
he's strong, and his arm is great, got a rubber
arm and all that.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But he wasn't very good and he's been great, yeah,
you know, and he's talked about the the change of
scenery and going to a team that expects to win,
and you know, it's I'm sure it's been I'm sure
it's hard for a veteran guy especially one who has

(28:51):
won a World Series with the team he's currently with
that has gone straight in the toilet, some of it
by you know, intentionally trading away star players, not re
signing star players, going with young guys and having to
wear their ups and downs. I'm sure that it was
a beatdown. And you know the e ra A and

(29:11):
I haven't seen the you know, the the metrics, you know,
like FIP and things like that, but you know how
many plays weren't made that should have been made by
these by these young guys. And now I'm not saying
that if he had had a great defense behind him,
his five six area would have been to one right, right,
But but you know, my numbers, numbers probably uh could

(29:35):
have been better. But you know, he made the changes
last year with his his pitch mix. The Rangers liked it.
And then you know, honestly, you get Mike Maddix around
around a guy and it's going to help too, So
you know that fresh start.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
And am I remembering he's only getting a million dollars,
I say, you only million dollars a year? Yeah, yeah,
what a bargain. That's fantastic. So we'll keep our fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
For him.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's fun to be wrong sometimes, and I think all
of us were about what to expect from Patrick Corban,
so is everybody in Major League Baseball. The guy didn't
sign it the last week of spring training. So anyway,
that's the story for the series. It's going to be
a fun one and we'll be talking about it each
and every day, including a postgame show after that, Patrick

(30:24):
Corbyn start on Thursday. Next up, though, we got to
get to that offense. We see that the numbers in
the chat. Yeah, Corey Seeger has the lowest war in baseball.
We'll talk about the Ale West Ale West I should
say to talk about that. We'll talk about Marcus Simeon's
resurgence and more as we get to the hardest job

(30:44):
in baseball, the hitting coach. Next on the DLLs Rangers podcast.

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And no fault of ours, but anyway, she's moving. But anyway,

(32:33):
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(32:55):
I see a quote from Marcus Simeon after the sun
game and he had another good game of course on
Sunday and and and he says, you know, he feels
for the hitting coaches, and he's and he's talking specifically
in the answer about Justin Veeley, and he said, hitting

(33:16):
coach is the hardest job in baseball. And it's such
an interesting thing to think about because I hadn't before,
but I kind of agree. And Brett Boone said the
same thing to me the other day or let you
know again, the last homestand when he said, you know,

(33:37):
he goes, if we lose, I'm playing for Seattle, and
we lose, but you know, I had a double in
a home run.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I go to sleep.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
You know, I don't like losing, none of them do.
But I can sleep fine, right, yeah, he said. Not
when I'm a hitting coach. He goes, if everybody's not hitting,
if everybody's not doing exactly what we need him to do,
I feel for them, and and and if we lose,
he said, man, it's like I had an over, Like
I I can't sleep, you know, I feel terrible, and

(34:10):
I hate to think how much sleep he hasn't gotten lately,
to be honest, because there hasn't been a lot of
offensive success. But it really is. I mean, it's uh,
it's trying to in some cases. And this year thus
far is a classic classic example of trying to get
blood out of a turn up.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Jeff, Yeah, he may want to go back to podcasting, right,
I mean that's a lot we sleep well at night. Yeah,
that's right. Yeah, that's right. Uh. You know, look, the
Rangers got one hitting coach fired already this year, right,
you know, and and by the way, all the numbers
are worse. Yeah, you can definitely say this was not
Donnie Ecker's fault. Yeah, And you know, the the new voice,

(34:51):
and maybe maybe the Bret Moon voice is starting to resonate.
Maybe maybe justin Veeley and Seth Connor who stayed on
after Ecker was fired, perhaps they've uncovered some things on
the swing side, the mechanical side for some of these guys.
But as we talked about, a lot of it is

(35:11):
mental and Brett Boone understands that as well as anybody.
And so, but it is a hard job. And it's
hard because the pitching is so good, you know, all
these designer pitches and all sorts of things that pitchers
can do to the baseball now and make it do
crazy stuff that you know, it's just really hard to hit.

(35:34):
It's always been hard to hit. It's it's hard to
hit home runs. You know, that's the hardest thing to
do in sports. I've heard people say moving a guy
to second, from second to third apparently is very hard. Yeah,
it looks like you've still got to do the basic
stuff that the game asked you to do. And I
tell you, you know something like that a productive out. Those

(35:57):
are confidence builders, sacrifice flies, confidence builders, and there's there's
guys who just could flat and do it. But I'll
just say it is a hard job, and you know,
pictures would pitchers would. Then you know say, well, you know,
hitters have a lot of advantages to and they do,
but just in the information era, it just seems like

(36:21):
pitching is winning. Now, this is two straight years across
baseball where offense has been down big time and and
so it seems like the pitching side has the advantage.
And then you know, you look at the way some
of these teams are built, like the Rays, all right,
five minings from their starter, then they come out and
just throw nasty believers at something. That's that's the way

(36:42):
playoff games are played these days, you know, And and
the Dodgers won a damn World Series pretty much doing that.
So it's it's it's different anyway, these fresh arms come in.
You don't get to see a guy a third time.
If you're a hitter, you're you're and you're seeing these
guys just throwing one hundred and nasty off speed stuff.
So it's hard. It's really really hard. But then yes,

(37:07):
when the team's not hitting, you got to play psychologists,
you got to do all these things. So yeah, hitting
coach tough, very tough job.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
One of the other things Marcus said was of course,
I'll be so glad when every time you come and
talk to me media in general, we weren't there, but
every time you come talk to me, you say, wow,
you were doing really bad and now you're doing good.
You know, I'll be glad when it's just a good game. Yeah,
you know which, of course I mean, And we'll be Look,

(37:36):
believe me, we'll be glad if and when that happens
that we can just go up to these guys and
talk about nuance maybe, but not necessarily talk about that
same thing over and over again, which has plagued this team,
like you said, Jeff, not only for the first half
almost of this season, but last season two.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right right, And and you know he he he does
not like talking to Nobody likes it. I mean, you know,
you don't see people holding up their hands and talk
about how crappy they've been. No, And he's a professional,
and he knows us and knows that we have a
job to gives us the answers. But you know, being
the one guy that they always go to a doulas

(38:21):
who had also struggled and is struggling, is hard to
track down. And then sometimes he needs a translator. So
he's he's hard to he's hard to find. It's hard
to find the struggling guys. So it seems to always
fall on Marcus because he will not just hide at
his locker in the back. He's at his locker, and

(38:42):
he's a professional. But he also, you know, last year
and even this year, I remember him saying distinctly, I
don't want to I don't want to talk about the negatives.
I don't want I want to focus on what's going right.
But when nothing's going right, at some point, you gotta
have that talking. So before before the Cardinals series, after
that miserable game against the Blue Jays when the Rangers

(39:04):
were essentially no hit, he talked, and ever since then
he's taken off. So I feel like I feel like
I get a piece of the credit for this turnaround. Yeah,
and I do.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think you deserve a lot of credit, maybe some
maybe a bonus, Frank.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I would take some of his Yeah, yeah, some of that.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I wonder though, because one of the things that Boach
has been saying, uh and and he's said it, you know,
to us, and I think I saw it written recently,
just about how well he's doing Marcus on the pull side, right,
which is his side. I mean, that's his thing. That's
what he's always done. And I do wonder as we
get so analytical, right, we get so thoughtful about things

(39:48):
like you know, gosh, there's a whole big part of
the field over here you could use. And you know,
we try to maximize, like let a guy be a guy. Right,
if he's had this tremendous success, and maybe and he's
he's probably not going to share it because it may
make the team or the coaches look bad. But but

(40:08):
maybe part of the thing that was in his head is, oh, yeah,
that's right. I got to make sure I try to
do these things too, right, rather than just going out
there and doing what he does, which is pull the
damn ball.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, And and now he's been you know, if if
the opposing pitcher is on, they're not going to throw
Mark A. Sime In a pitch he can pull easily,
They're gonna they're thrown them sliders away and off the plate.
He saw in that National Series he chased one for
a strikeout. Mad with himself. He's been doing a better
job on that, but he he does not have power

(40:43):
to right field and and he may get some hits
to right field, he does to be up and they're
not going to be home runs. When he's driving the ball,
it's it's always to left field. And that's fine, you know,
that's who is. The problem is everybody knows that. So
he's gotta he has to be able to adjust to

(41:05):
the adjustments being made to him. It seems like he
finally has found that whatever the magic formula is, you know,
the contact point, the you know, hitt hitting the ball
in the barrel, whatever if it is, that has been missing.
For the last nine games since May thirtieth, he's been

(41:27):
the He has the best batting average in baseball. Wow, okay,
and and I believe he has the highest ops as
well in baseball. Yeah, that's great since since May thirty.
So we're running on coming up on two weeks with that.
When he's when he's good, the range, the Rangers offense
is going to be better when he's on base or

(41:48):
when he's driving in guys who are on base. It's
just it's just going to be better because that's the
that's that's the guy they signed, you know, and that's
the guy who was so good in twenty three and
was the third place finisher in the the al MVP vote.
That's how good he can be.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Speaking of Witch, the guy who was second place that
year is Corey Seeger. Yes, and we know how good
he can be. I feel like, and I saw I
think Blake wrote this and others as well. We feel like,
not only do we know how good he can be,
we know it just feels like we know how good

(42:24):
he will be.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right Whereas I.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Must admit I was starting to doubt maybe father time
had caught up with Marcus right or something, because we
saw all of last year and then the beginning of
this year, and I thought, jeez, maybe Marcus isn't good
and he has so good for him. I just don't
feel that way with Corey Seger. I feel like, you know,
and part of it is he's younger, certainly, but it's

(42:48):
just the way he approaches it, the way we watch
him get ready every single day. I think and believe,
this dude's going to hit.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Jeff, I completely agree. I think everybody agrees. And you know,
he had the day off, Sunday off day yesterday for
the club, so he's going to be fresh, and and
you know it's just from my perspective, it's a timing thing.
You know, he is seeing the ball well because he's

(43:20):
been drawing walks. He understands what the pitchers are doing
to him, trying to do to him. He understands the
game situations. I mean, he's you know there, he's still
Corey Seeger by guys and teams are still going to
try to pitch delicately to him in certain situations like
if a base is open. So he's he gets that,
and he took some walks in the last series. He's

(43:43):
again he's laying off pitchers pitches, not chasing. Uh, he's
just not getting the barrel of the ball. He's rolling
over a lot. So I think that I think the
Corey Seegers and at Bada Way from just going on
a tear that great. And you know this is this ballpark,

(44:06):
target field, you know, left field out there with the
flower bed and then the little plaza area. I've seen
a lot of home runs hit my left handers and yeah,
into those into those areas, including Corey Seeger. So I
think that it could happen. It could happen first inning today.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yes, And that's so true. And what we've seen is
the offense just look better overall because of Marcus, right,
and so if you add Corey into that mix, now
maybe you're getting back to it's a weird And again
it goes all the way back to the thing we
talked about and the first segment of the show, this
confidence thing.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But it's a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
How if those two are going well, Jeff Well, I
mean it's it's not all mental in that regard. If
they're going well, then the other guys are going to
see better pitches to hit. And so you know, in
some ways, they're like quote unquote protecting. We call it,
you know, protection in the batting order. They're protecting the

(45:06):
other guys by taking all the really difficult pitches and
then the other guys see easier pitches and they hit better.
But there is some confidence, I think to it as well.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, and there is the component of protection, you know,
getting somebody behind Cory seeger, Yeah, you know who who
who's raking, who's yeah, and who's going to force the
team to make a decision and not necessarily be able
to pitch around Corey. And but lineup construction is such

(45:36):
a big deal, and we've talked about how tricky it is,
and I think if anything will happen this offseason or
even at the trade deadline, it wouldn't necessarily be a
purging of of coaches or a purging of players, but
maybe some trades to get guys who are better fits

(45:59):
into the life. The Rangers have a lot of aggressive hitters,
probably too many aggressive hitters, if we're being honest, and
so they need to have a better mix of guys
who can get on base. And I know everybody's talking
about Marcelo Zuna in the chat there four hundred on
base percentage. Yeah, we get your point, but the Rangers
need more guys like that. So maybe that's where Evan

(46:19):
Carter can sure help. Yeah, yeah, things if he starts.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
To look like the Evan Carter we remember from twenty
twenty three and the guy that showed that at every
level in the miners too. More coming up as we
do our cleanup segment, and one of our buddies, one
of our favorites, is looking for work today. Maybe we'll
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Yeah, that's the answer. Simple, and be a part of
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not as much as baseball because they're so quick in football,
but you got to see a lot of cool cities,
and I did think, man and that that one year,
you know, every year, that one Saturday night in Vegas

(49:05):
would be pretty cool. Although in this case it's a
Sunday night in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
But uh uh anyway, the casinos don't close on Sundays,
don't close ever, so uh yeah, have fun anyway, And uh,
we want to talk about one of our buddies, Leodi Man.
I know I saw the note yesterday that the Mariners
defaid him. It's I guess I hadn't been watching closely
because he started quite well for them, right, and it

(49:32):
looked like he had maybe found a good place to land.
And you know, they just they defaid him yesterday. Now
who knows exactly how it will all go for him, right,
there's a whole process he's got to go through. Yeah,
he defense has been his been an issue rangely and
on Saturday he he made he didn't make two plays

(49:55):
that he should have made that that ultimately cost the
Mariners the against Anaheim, you know of ballpark where Leodi
has played plenty, and it just it it's not working out.
And so he was d fade. He could clear. I
don't imagine he would clear. I don't know, we'll see

(50:18):
was a four and a half million. Yeah, but the
the it's possible. But anyway, if he doesn't, he's never
been df aid, so he would get outrighted to Tacoma,
they could just release him. Okay, so that's the other thing.
But he's a major league player. He can help, he
can be a winning piece. He knows how to handle

(50:39):
the bat, and he can run bases. And contrary to
what's been happening here, he is a he has good
defender in him. So I don't know, but I don't
like this because.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And the defending part of it is very surprising, and
it was happening here too. Yeah, And I don't know
that that even when he made those misplays here, I
think there were even a couple of errors mixed in
with plays not made. And it was very surprising because
I'll just never forget in twenty twenty when he got
called up too soon. We all know that we've acknowledged

(51:14):
it before, but and we'd be watching him play, and
Mark macklamore, who I would sit in the it was
like Mac and me and over by our set and
you and Evan Kennedy in the press box, and that
was it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Like we were the only people.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
In the ballpark anyway. We would Mac would just marvel
at his ability, his raw ability as a defender, and
thought at the time and said at the time this
guy's going to be, you know, the best center fielder
this organization's ever had.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
So yeah, and you know it is it is interesting.
And this this Sam Huff is in the news too
because he was yeah, outright and no one claimed him
after he was defade. Both of those guys made their
MLB debuts in twenty two in the COVID season, as
they were part of the group of minor leaguers that

(52:08):
were basically, you know, the injury replacements, and uh, you know,
it'd be interesting to do a case study of guys
really across the game who had to make their debuts
that season and then what happened to them? You know what,
what did you know? Did they show well enough to

(52:29):
be on the on the team next year? You know,
could did some of them go to Triple A and
and then have a little more time to percolate and
come up and be better. That's a that's an underlying thing.
And then also the lockout uh really costly ODI because
it was when Donnie Eker and Tim Hyers came on,

(52:49):
they didn't get that chance to put their hands on him, yeah,
until spring training, and then that wasn't enough time and
so he had to start that season in the minor
league too. So anyway, now not I guess I am
making excuses for him, But there's it's interesting. It would
be interesting to kind of do a whole case study
of all those.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah. I think that's a great point. That twenty twenty
year was just so weird, especially for a young guy.
Major League baseball was nothing like what it is, right,
it was nothing like it. So I'm sure you've all
seen it by now, so you don't have to, but
you should. If you haven't, for sure, google it and
find the angle of the Denzel Clark catch from the

(53:33):
camera that's behind the wall. That's the one that's most amazing.
Here's the picture. Look at this guy to call him
Spider Man, Jeff. He did this in Toronto a week ago. Yeah,
and but the one in Toronto, I mean, it was
a really good catch and he was clearly up over
the wall, but he didn't have to flip almost over

(53:54):
the wall this time. That momentum of that ball took him.
I thought for sure he was gonna land over there
in the rocks there at Anaheim. And you know, I
don't know if Mickey Mouse lives back there or who does, Jeff,
But I I was really worried about the guy and
he came back in.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
He brought it back in.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
It was an amazing again, gonna be one of the
best catches of the year by far.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, he and he made a good catch. Maybe Saturday
or sight. Yeah, he made two in three days. I
think he's uh he's six'. Five that's that's something that
might surprise. People. Uh so he's a long, rangey fast
outfielder and He's canadian From. Toronto. Yeah other, catch the

(54:41):
rob that he made was in the hometown. There. Yeah.
Yeah Mitch Mitch, Brett rangers left handed pitching prospect At
frisco who's From, canada retweeted the replay of the. Catch
that's that's always a dead giveaway from For. Mitch he
doesn't tweet a, lot and when he, does it's usually About.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Canadians, YEAH i don't blame, him you, Know Oh canada
and all. That so and the other thing that the
young man he's just been called. Up but the one
thing he says he always does when he's at a new,
ballpark AND i think last night was his first game In.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Anaheim, sure so at.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
A new, ballpark he goes out DURING bp and he
paces it off and he does his steps to figure
out how far he has to go once he hits
the warning track before he has to, leap and he
times it out that, way which is pretty advanced for
a young, guy it. Is and then to have it

(55:34):
happen right away in the very first game and he nailed,
it it was.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Unbelievable. Yeah and you know a lot of these first
timers and ballparks will spend extra time out there learning,
bounces and you, know the green monster is always the big.
One you, know a young left fielder will always go
out there if they're an outfield coach and field balls
off the wall and all that. Stuff but there's all

(56:00):
kinds of different. Quirks you know that That angels outfield
has some, quirks does and and they all. Do and you,
know hops off of certain fences that are angled a
certain way and anyway for him to have the awareness
to do that is pretty. Good. Yeah and That angel's
wall is. High that's a high wall in the center, field.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
As was you know all about Sport zone asking comparison
between it and The Gary Matthews. JUNIOR i think this
one was a little bit more acrobatic like the ball
took him almost over the. Wall but THEY'RE i, mean
it's it's probably splitting. Hairs which one was a better?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Catch? Thoughts, Yeah, gary like use the fence to like he,
did heal himself in, fact left you cut the plastic?
Kind this Was this was some pretty just lun. Lunacy,
uh throwing your yeah into the harm's. Way So i'm

(57:05):
not sure which one was? Better probably that, one, yeah probably.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Was and so let's take a look AT i saw
this On, twitter that one positive note for every team in.
Baseball And i'm a half full kind of, Guy, JEFF
i knew. That, Yeah i'm a half full. Guy these
are hard to read, now but, uh you good, health
that's good for.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Us that's. Good we appreciate that's why you guys are.
Kings yeah right, here The Pelican.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
King so The rangers actually isn't a terrible you, know
some of these are? Are you, know for some of
the bad.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Teams fewest base runners are allowed by the Mighty Texas.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Rangers that's not. Bad that's pretty. Good, no that's a
pretty good. One how about the where is The colorado?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
One? There it?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Is, oh most triples that's not bad. Either, well and
you'd expect that in that. Ballpark, no and but there's
the One Chicago White sox fewest what was sacrifice? Buns
a few a sack bunts? Allowed?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
One are you gonna Mention Ryan baltimore.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Heaviest team by? Average what's the? One somebody's got one
most wins on A? Wednesday where's that? One, like you
gotta be kidding, Me, pittsburgh you got the most wins
on A? Wednesday, WELL i mean they're all, crappy right, right,
yeah so you're reaching The nationals are most games won

(58:32):
by that where they were the underdog in the betting?
Underdog so but whoever did, this brooks whoever you, Are
Brooks gate, Whatever uh.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah thanks for being. Positive but that's. Right that's that's
going deep on most wins on A.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Wednesday and you, know The rangers do sometimes put that
in their game, notes AND i find it so funny
they're undefeated On. Tuesdays, Whatever, YEAH i got. You, Yeah but,
anyway we thought that was that was pretty. Fun Murray
state's in The College World. SERIES i mentioned it, quickly
eight hundred seat, Stadium, jeff you know Where Murray state Is, Missouri, Kentucky.

(59:16):
Kentucky it's In, Murray, kentucky and they have an eight
hundred seat stadium and their coach actually mows their, FIELD
i mean in their d. One obviously they wouldn't be
and this IS i, Mean i'm going to be A
Murray State racers.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Fan. Yeah Popeye jones went To murray that's. Right, yeah
that's a good, one good. Recall so, Anyway Murray state's.
In we'll be watching them, closely and so Will Popeye
jones and his Son, seth who made it to THE
nhl by the, way so. Interesting, yeah, lot, anyway that's.
It we appreciate you as. Always we're back tomorrow at one.
O'clock good to Have ryan with. Us thank You, ryan

(59:56):
thanks to all.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Of you for chatting with, us and we will see
you again tomorrow one. O'clock it'll be another edition of
THE Dls rangers, Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
All silly like The. Man
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