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You know, mistakes will always get your beat, but mental
mistakes they get your beat and rip your heart out.
That's what happened in Tampa and we got it right
now on the DLLs Rangers podcast. Wow, So yeah. Dave

(01:18):
Raymond called it a soul crushing defeat on the broadcast.
I thought that was a pretty apt description for this one.
There was just seemingly no doubt that the Rangers were
going to win this game with a two run lead
in the ninth inning, and really, as wild as Robert
Garcia was, he got the pitches he needed to get

(01:40):
for the Rangers to win this game, and instead they
lose it. Hi, there, Welcome into the DLLs Sports Studios.
It's the DLLs Rangers Podcast, our postgame edition. John Radigan here,
Jeff Wilson there. We've got John Anderson in for us
tonight as the Prophet has a night off. So fun
to spend a little time I'm with John tonight, and

(02:02):
it would have been a heck of a lot more fun, Jeff,
if we were talking about the victory that that almost
seemed assured. It really looked good, you know, and.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Jeez, you know, three to one going to the ninth
Garcia has been really good, and then you know he
was he was wild. So he puts some guys on base,
which is never a good thing to do in a
tight ball game, and then you had boy defensive lapses.
I guess you know, the play to Josh Young he
he made a really nice steated kept the ball, kept

(02:35):
the time run from scoring. That's right, but didn't know
where to throw it. And then the play that ended
the game. I don't blame Marcus Simeon remotely for that. No,
the first baseman was Josh Smith. Josh Smith is a
short stop and he needs to understand that that he
doesn't need to go get every ball. I don't blame

(02:57):
Robert Garcia for not covering first because the ball was
hit where the second basement. It's a can of when
it's can of corn, it's an easy, easy play.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Now should every for every pitcher go over there, Yes,
but the situation, the loss was on Josh Smith going
too far from the base. Yeah, I don't. I don't
really have you know, you can. You can point a
lot of fingers in that ninth inding for sure, But
if you watch that play, I mean, Marcus Simeon barely

(03:27):
had to move to get it right.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
And the thing is, Josh uh, you know, you almost
feel like at some point he it would have occurred
to him and you'd see him like plant and turn
back toward first. He just kept going towards Marcus, towards
second base, I don't You don't know what was going
through his mind.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
Yeah, And you know, obviously I hate that I'm not
there to hear what the manager and the players have
to say. But you know, I'm sure Boach will try
to be as diplomatic as possible afterward. But you know,
a lot went wrong, and again for this team struggling
to stay in contention with the offense, that's not very good.

(04:08):
And they just can't do that. They can't make mistakes,
and they did it yesterday with Kamara Rocker. I've written
about Rocker and we'll get to him a little bit
later in the show. You know, it's two there's two
nights of brain farts, and it costs you. It costs
you two wins. And now now this team is what
nine and twenty on the road? Nine and twenty one, Yeah,

(04:30):
nine and yeah, nine and twenty one, yeah and twenty one.
That's yeah, that's terrible, awful. And you can't you can't
win if you don't win on the road.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Now, and you know, we saw there were a lot
of you already in the chat when we sat down.
We appreciate you. We'd love you to keep chatting. I
feel free to keep expressing your frustration. We feel the
same thing I told Jeff at the start of this
game today, I said last night, when Law, the second
hitter of the game for the race, hit a home run,

(04:58):
I literally the thought that went through my head is
that's insurmountable. The Rangers can't win this game, right, which
is ridiculous. In the first inning a home run, That's
how I felt, maybe because of the way Rocker was
looking to me already at that point. I don't know. Tonight,
I never felt that. I never felt even though the
Rangers did get down one nothing again, I never felt

(05:20):
like they were out of it. I thought, we'll get
to more about Jack Leider in a minute. I thought
Jack Lder was great. Marcus Simeon was so on fire.
It was great to see him do what he did
offensively in particular. But you just didn't ever feel like
this one was going to go this way. And I
think that's one of the reasons that someone in the

(05:41):
cat was already saying it's hard to watch this team.
I gotta be honest with you, it was hard for
me to watch them last night just because of the
feeling that was sort of in my brain from the
first inning on tonight. I never had that, but I understand. Yeah,
it's hard to watch a ninth inning like that.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
It is, and you know, the game was set up
exactly as the Rangers designed it. They had a lead
going to the ninth. They got through the seventh, well,
the sixth with Hobe Milner, then the seventh with the
great Milner and Searn Sean Armstrong. They got through the
eighth of Jake Latz, which probably isn't how they drawn

(06:19):
it up, but they had talked on the last home
sound about giving him some leverage situations.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
He did great. So then you go to the.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Guy who's your closer, even if he's not a closer,
but it's set up the way you wanted it. And
he was facing some left handed batters in that last inning.
It was the heart of the order. But nevertheless, some
lefty hitters in there, and he didn't get the job done.
And and you know, again the Walks did it. Maybe

(06:47):
you could argue that Josh Smith should have never been
in that position because the walks the out should have
been recorded. Whatever you want to say, however, extension existentially,
you want to think the bottom line is that the play,
the play that would have determined the game was was
mishandled by a guy who shouldn't be playing first guys

(07:07):
out of fout position. He's not a first baseman, he
plays there. I guess Jake Berger had a DHDA. Not
sure he needed it, but that's what happened, and I
wonder if that will be kurtailed going forward.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
It might need to be. Burger did have a home
run in the third inning, scored the first Rangers run.
The Rangers runs all came on solo home runs too,
by Marcus Simeon, and that won by Jake Berger. I
thought the same thing though. It felt to me like that,
and we've talked about this a lot. You want to
keep Josh Smith's bat in the lineup, and so it

(07:40):
felt to me like today was one of those days
whereas where Boats is like, well, well let's give Burger
a little rest, right, Yeah, but didn't didn't Burger sit?
Did he sit last night?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't. I don't recall. Seem like Josh was at
first base yesterday too.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Well, if you're going to give somebody a day off
at this point and get Josh Smith into the lineup,
the answer is Cory see.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, you know since he came back.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
But we got a guy who's coming off the I
l a critical critical piece here, and give him a
day off his legs, you know, give him a day
off his legs. Put Josh Smith out there first first
base is not the place for Josh Smith. And he's
doing you know, he's doing a serviceable job. But I

(08:31):
content I don't think Jake Burger would have gone for
that ball, right, No, I don't know think Layne Kram
would have gone for that ball, or Justin Foscue or
Nathaniel Lowe.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
I think that.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Josh, Josh Smith and an experience first baseman would have
let Simeon take that play or known to let Simeon.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Take that play. Yeah, and again to your point, you
know the fact that Robert Garcia didn't cover, I mean,
Robert Garcia sees the track of that ball and doesn't
even consider that Josh Smith wouldn't be standing on first
base for sure.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Yeah, all right, so you gotta always prepare for the worst.
But you know, if you look at at Robert's delivery,
you know he goes over to the third base side,
So it's a tough cover for him anyway, you know.
So in Misty leon To. Yeah, talked about Martin and
he didn't pitch. You know, it sounds like they don't

(09:24):
trust him right now. It's weird because command was a
very good Tuesday and he just played catch Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
He was but he did warm up and I really
thought he'd be coming in in the eighth instead of lats.
And then you know, he didn't come in. I hope
that's not a bad sign, right that we were talking
about maybe hoping that Chris Martin would would hear that
pop in the in the bullpen. But anyway, since he
did warm and it's not like that's unusual for a

(09:50):
guy to warm up and not pitch, I mean, that
happens all the time, so we don't necessarily need to
read anything into it. But I kind of felt like
after warming up he would be in and never was.
So but again, Jacob last did a great job one two,
three inning for him in that seventh inning and eighth
inning I guess it was, yeah, eighth inning, and then

(10:13):
the ninth inning it all fell apart and two singles
and a walk by Robert Garcia. After the first out,
he got law who's been really hard to get lately,
and then he and then he allowed two singles in
a walk, and of course with all that traffic on
the basis, it accentuates the necessity for perfection. Right, Well,

(10:37):
the walk.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Wasn't the big one, the single, all right, you can
live with that, even though I thought, I kind of
thought Josh Young could have had that ball, and then
the walk to a Randa who's a left handed hitter,
and four pitches that, yeah, I think you and I
would have gotten.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Could Yeah, he couldn't find the zone.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
And that's probably the at bat he wishes he had back,
because he did get you know, after the the hit
that made it four to three, he got a first
pitch fly ball to right field that wasn't hit very well.
And again the ball that technically won the game was
not well hit. It was it was it should have

(11:13):
been an out.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yep. Yeah, it was very, very difficult to watch the
end of this game. It was a surprising outcome, a
disappointing outcome. And it you know, we've said it before
and and maybe now we're saying it too much. So
something needs to be done about this. This isn't how
the Rangers have been losing, right, This isn't it's been

(11:35):
a lack of offense. There was no lack of it tonight.
There was enough, right, they had enough to win. But these,
these kind of mistakes and especially mental mistakes, is not
characteristic for the way this team has been losing baseball games.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, and you know you've seen it. Probably we talked, well,
we talked about it the other day. You know, there
was that sloppy inning on on Tuesday in the sixth
and there really hadn't been an inning like that, you know.
I pointed to the Saturday White Sox game that was
a bad inning. But this this has been three three

(12:14):
games in a row where the fundamentals have slipped, and
Bruce Bochie preaches the fundamentals, and people who want Bruce
Bochi fired you're out of your mind crazy. Uh, don't
don't even go there. You know, it's it's just that
this team, it's it's on the players at this point.
I mean, what what else can Bruce Bochi do? You know,

(12:37):
He's he's altered the lineup, he's used pinch hitters, he's
he's done all kinds of things. He's tried to mix
and match out of the bullpen. Uh, you know, he's
he's playing the hand that has been dealt to him,
and right now it's a hit. It's a team that
can't hit, a team that is just making mistakes they

(12:58):
shouldn't be making. And maybe it's because they're not winning. Yeah,
maybe they maybe they maybe they're speakers, got a little
tight there at night. I mean, you know, let's consider
that too. They have to win games and they're not
doing it. And you know, you saw Josh Young looked
like completely defeated and uh even in real time, and

(13:20):
when he walked off the field it wasn't very good either.
I would I would say though that it's not characteristic
of the team. There's a Gallaghan champ our gut Galaga
Champ says, maybe it's a characteristic. I don't think it is.
I think if you look at the sixty.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
However many games they've played, you can't very.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Many instances of this. In fact, been praising the defense
and how good it's been. So this is a you know,
but but when you add bad defense to bad offense
and an unsure closer, that's a terrible combination.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, and then it's not just us that we're praising
the defense. The numbers were indicating that they were one
of the top five defenses in the American League despite
the record which is now four games under five hundred.
So man, they're just they're headed in the wrong direction
and they really really have to write this ship. They're

(14:20):
one and nine in their last ten road games. That's
not very good. That is not good. So we'll get
to the rest of this road trip a little later
on in the program. We will also get to some
other things happening around Major League Baseball today. But coming
up next, let us talk about what happened yesterday and

(14:41):
the mental mistake and what it rendered. That's coming next.
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Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, so, and don't forget we told you the other
day they go well with bud Light. Now, huh, this
was supposed to be such a great night because we
had a good baseball game going. We knew we had
Frosty's coming. And Jeff has officially introduced me to the
beauty of the lunch box, which is bud Light, amaretto

(16:18):
and orange juice a very simple recipe. And I am
telling you, look at that Dallas Star's bud Light can there.
That's always still fun to see. I'm telling you that
lunchbox is a delicious drink, and bud Light's the key ingredient.
Bud Light's smooth. It's so easy to drink. You mix
a little orange juice and a little amaretto in there
and it's super refreshing. But really, even without those additions,

(16:41):
it's very refreshing. So we encourage you to get you
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mental mistake was maybe even maybe even two mental mistakes

(17:02):
really in one play by Kumar Rocker.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Yes, my third inning, runners at second third, two outs,
not a dissimilar play to what we just saw, but
Berger was able to field it not too far off
of first, but far enough where he couldn't get back,
and uh, Kumar Rocker was not there. I've watched the
play several times and there was maybe a moment of

(17:28):
hesitance on Rockers part I also need to consider I
don't think he's really fast. Maybe not, but then all right,
so the runner safe run scored. What he did afterward
I thought was just it was a mental mistake. But
it was also kind of like poor me. Yeah, the
way he just kind of ran and held I mean, uh,

(17:50):
like two or three steps. It wasn't two or three,
it was like ten or twenty. That was like forever.
And the runner at second heads up scored. I believe
it was that pain in the ass. Rand again went
around and scored to.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Make it five to nothing.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
So there's two runs that shouldn't have scored in a
game the Rangers lost five to four. Kamar Rocker was
sent down today. I was told that it was not
because he had that men until LUNs.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
It was because the results.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
And you look at his record one in four eight
eighty seven e RA, it's like, yeah, this guy needs
some time in the minor leagues. It's it's hard, though
that to see what unfolded. And then and I've written
this if you were a diehard, you can go read
it at all dls dot com slash Rangers. Also, he

(18:42):
compounded things and this this is gonna sound might sound
selfish to you guys at first, But I'll explain myself
by not talking to the media and John, as you
know well, far longer than my eighteen years on the beat.
At a baseball game, after the game winner lose, the
starting pitcher always makes himself available, Yep.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Always.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
If it's a good start, he'll talk about how he pitched,
what he was feeling, and then he will praise the
offense and the defense and try to take as little
credit as possible. When it's a bad start or the
game in which they lose, whether it's one to nothing
or fifteen to nothing, he takes the blame. I didn't
make a good pitch here. My mechanics were off, the
defense was great. The offense they're trying. We know they're

(19:28):
going to be better. I have to be better.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
They do that.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Closers do it. Relievers do it. I guarantee you Robert
Garcia is doing it right now, if he hasn't already
done it. Andrew Heeney and David Robinson last year might
have been the best I've seen in my career. They
were there sitting in their lockers, still in their either
their uniform or what they had on underneath. Their uniform
waiting for the media. You do it, why do you

(19:52):
do it? Accountability to your teammates, That's why you do it. It's
a professional thing. It's being a good teammate and as
being a pro. And Kamara Rocker did not do that
last night. And now again that's not why he didn't
get sent down either, you know, he didn't wasn't sent
down because he didn't talk to poor old Evan and

(20:12):
whoever else is covering from WILB dot com this week.
But that can't happen if you're a starting pitcher. And
so he needs to learn those things. He needs to
learn how to be a professional. Bounce that off a
couple of rangers people. They think I'm being a little
too aggressive. He's a young guy, hasn't pitched a lot,
all those things that are true. Pitching development is not
a linear path, as Jack Lyder has shown, you know,

(20:37):
but you got to be a professional. And that play
where he wasn't aware of the game situation and the
situation where he didn't take accountability for his actions two
things that need to be better. So the pitching needs
to be better, and then the teammate professionalism needs to
be better.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, and when you know, I heard the interview that
Boat did this before the game, when he was asked
about that and what he hoped that Kamara Rocker would
accomplish by being sent down to Triple A. And one
of the things he continued to emphasize was baseball situations, right,
and it was not necessarily just about the work, because

(21:19):
the truth is, we're probably going to see him go
down there and dominate again again, whether or not that's
because the minor league hitters are more intimidated by him
or they're not used to, you know, because whatever it is,
the major league guys haven't had trouble hitting him. The
minor league guys can't touch him. So the reality is

(21:40):
he doesn't need to go down there necessarily to get
that work, but he needs to go down there to
be in baseball situations over and over and over again.
And both said his exact words on this one were,
those things need to be second nature to him, and
that's what it needs to be. He doesn't need to

(22:00):
have to think about, oh my gosh, I'm supposed to
cover first base. He's supposed to cover first base. He
doesn't have to think about, oh wow, it was a
guy on third or second or wherever the hell he
came from. He needs to turn around and assess the
field and you know, make sure he knows whatever. But
they teach you that in little league, you know, yeah,
and yeah, gosh, you know.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
And then because he is a talented guy, and you know,
we all know his path and really, he came to
the he came to the major leagues. He was only
opening the roster this year. Should not have been, right,
you know, the injuries kind of forced the Rangers' hands.
He made three starts, if you want to call him that.
It's like three test drives last year, and you know,

(22:41):
and the Rangers felt that he was a better choice
than Caleb Bosley or Patrick Murphy was injured, Adrian Houser,
who I really thought should have made the team over Rocker,
but they went with Rocker. All right, Fine, doesn't pitch well,
pitch as well, doesn't pitchwell, pitches well, doesn't pitchwell, doesn't
pitch well. Hurt comes back feeling good about himself. Two

(23:04):
dominant outings that kind of were in the vein of
what the Rangers used to promote him last year. Last night,
just it didn't work, And really if he covers the
base and that outs me, it's three to nothing, and
he you know, you're like, okay, he got out of that.
You might be talking having an entirely different conversation like hey,

(23:29):
you know, that was good, you know, And then he
comes back out and maybe finishes that inning, but it doesn't,
you know, because he had to throw a bunch of
extra pitches after that. So it's he does need to
go to triple A. And I saw somebody say PFPS
pitching field in practice, and that's one hundred percent right.
He's going to get a lot of PfP a triple

(23:49):
A every day. But I tell you what, there is
no I bet there's no team in the major leagues
at spring training who does more PfP than the Texas Rangers.
Mike Maddox believes in it. They go through all kinds
of situations. And remember who Mike Maddox's brother was, is
eighteen times Gold Glove win Greg Maddox. And Greg Maddix says,

(24:11):
if you can make three plays in a game as
a starting pitcher, that's one inning that gets you one
inning further into a game. That was Greg Maddox's philosophy.
It's Mike Maddox's philosophy. And believe me, Mike Maddox is
unhappy about the issues here with the pictures fielding practice.

(24:32):
That's one of the reasons why it was hired. Remember
in twenty one and twenty two, Rangers' pictures were dead
ass last in fielding in the league, and Mike Maddox
comes in and turns that around. I remember Martin Perez
huffing and puffing one day after PfP, saying why are
we doing all this stuff? Well, this is why, Martin. Yeah,
and you know why. And you did a pretty good

(24:54):
job field in your position. But it's it is something
that I'm I'm gonna guess will be addressed before banning
practice on Friday.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
So this is a Wendy's Frosty Take segment. And so
since we've been talking so much about Kamara Rocker, a
Frosty take is something we got wrong, not long ago,
like yesterday. Let's see how this Frosty take took.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
It's all there though, you know, I mean the when
when he's healthy as he is now. The Rangers believe
that they have something special on the stuff side, but
also just the competitor that he is the pres the mound,
presence that he has all those things that scouts love
Kamar has, and so that's that's kind of the package

(25:45):
you're looking at. He seems very unflappable.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
And then he was flapped over the place. I better
finish this beer. That's one of those you know they
say on on you know, the social media as they
say that didn't age. Well, well it did not age.
That was yesterday. The good news is it didn't have
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Speaker 5 (26:26):
Now, well while you're doing that, because I was eating
it while you were talking the last time. You know,
Jack Lder was pretty good. And I know that somebody
mentioned that that lighter seemed to come around and they're
hoping that that Rocker follows that path, And that was
part of what I've written. You know, if Kamar Rocker
is looking for some of somebody to look up to

(26:47):
and say, Hey, who can give me hope that I'm
going to turn this around? Just look at his buddy
from Vanderbilt. Because Jack has been really really good this year.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Excuse me.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Five innings tonight, three hits. Struggled at times. He ainked
a lot of fastballs, John, you and I were talking.
I wonder if the sweat like some of those wild throws,
because if you looked at Peppio of Blue Jays, it
was like somebody is like that airplane when Ted Strikers
landing the plane at the end, He's just just drenched

(27:19):
with with sweat. That's what that was like. And it
was kind of gross. Yeah, you know, you know you
got to imagine that. You know they have rosin right there,
but I don't know if sweat plus.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Rosin is a good combination necessarily.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
And and then you were kind of worry, you know,
if your hand's wet and you're throwing those hard sliders
and fastballs on the seams, that they're going to get
another blister. So but he did just go five eighty
what three pitches? As it turned out, there was there
was some traffic there, some stressful pitches.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
But he did his job.

Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, just like the rotation has done pretty much all year.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yep, he absolutely did his job. It was a really
good outing. I thought since he had nine six and
ninety four in his previous two outings that you know,
one hundred was more of a magic number. But Mike
Bassic speculated and I think it was. It was a
good thought. It's just it takes a lot out of
you that type of humidity and that type of heat,
and we remember it from from the days in Arlington,

(28:18):
and in fact, Florida is way more humid than even Arlington.
Oh my god, it's just so so humid down there.
So anyway, probably a wise decision to get him out
of there. And you know, literally that wasn't what cost
this team the game. One of the other really nice
things about this game, and we mentioned it briefly at
the top, and I saw somebody in the chat already

(28:40):
bringing it up. But Marcus Simeon appears to be back,
and obviously we've said this, Corey Seger is not yet,
but he'll he will be. And if you've got Simeon
and Seeger back right, you will feel like the offense
is going to follow, and those are the absolute leaders

(29:01):
of this offense. And if you get that kind and
you know what, Adolos Garcia hasn't looked bad offensively since
he's been back. He hasn't.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I still have some so have some questions about that one. Yeah,
Langford struggled to night after his three hit game Tuesday,
But you know, the Simeon thing is something that obviously
is just monstrous for this team. Yeah, and you start
to wonder, Hey, you know, how long until he moves
back to the alitospot? Does he move back to alitospot?

(29:30):
Does he become the number five hitter again? Or does
he just need to stay where he is? You know,
is he productive there because he's seen different pitches than
he would be higher in the order. And I don't
I don't know the answer to that. But you know,
Bruce Bochi has a knack for moving guys up who
are doing their job, and right now Marcus Simeon is

(29:50):
doing it. And I'm very happy for the guy because
after that game Weds last Wednesday, when they basically got
no hit and we all went to Marcus and he
was kind of wearing it as the poster boy of
this team's problems and he did speak about it, which

(30:11):
was great, you know, and and and that's something we appreciate,
the accountability. And he knew he needed to be better.
He said, I'm working on some things and and and bye, gosh,
it's it's looking pretty darn good.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
We can talk about a little bit more here in
just a moment.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, let's talk more about Marcus Simeon. Let's talk more
about sort of an offensive resurgence that we've seen. It
has looked different of late. We'll talk about that. We'll
get to the rest of the road trip, and certainly
the next stop on the road trip, which has lots
of subplots. They Rangers are headed to Washington, d C.
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Speaker 4 (32:53):
So if you've seen us on these post games before,
you know I keep a score book. And here's some
full disclosure. Jeff didn't even know this. There's blood. See
that spot right there? Oh boy, bloody. I don't know.
I'm not sure where the blood came from somewhere on
my body. I suppose I look at where am I bleeding?

(33:15):
Or maybe that was just a foreshadowing that happened sometime
around the third or fourth inning, and they've got a
in fact, it covered up the Jake Burger home run,
and so anyway, it was kind of a bloody performance,
a heartbreaking, a bloody type performance by the Ragers tonight.
And they are swept by the Rays, you know, I

(33:37):
guess fortunately whenever for them, they swept the Rays earlier
this year. They've split the season series three games a piece,
but none of that softens the blow of this series
where there were, you know, a couple of very winnable
games if not for mental mistakes.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah, could have won the series pretty easily. Really, some
some some comments from the while we're on the positives,
all right, let's finish. Let's finish up. Marcus Simeon, Yes,
who's just been great. He now has hits in eleven
of his last eighteen at bats. That'll turn your season around.

(34:18):
His average is up to two ten. Obviously not going
to win a lot of awards for that, but considering
that at the start of play Friday it was one
seventy thredy that'll work. Two homers tonight. So he's hitting
the ball with power. Again, it's to the poll side.
That's where Marcus Simeon generates his power. All right, He's

(34:39):
not going to hit a lot of balls out to
right field. In fact, I don't know that he that
he has won h We're being honest. So these are
all very very good signs. And he batted six tonight.
He was behind Osuna and then Carter, So I don't
know if you're gonna be if you're Bruce Boci, if

(35:04):
you're going to be inspired to move him up in
the order so soon. I don't know, though, man, you
know again, it's tempting. It's very tempting. Maybe maybe batting
him first, you know, that puts if you still have
either way, maybe you can move Cory Seger back to

(35:25):
second and then and then drop Wyatt behind Seeger, so
you go right, left, right, and then what do you
do with Josh Smith. He's still one of your best hitters.
So anyway, there there are there are options if that's
what the Rangers.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Want to do.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
But I think right now, just enjoy the ride.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, and you know, once again tonight, I mean, I
think it's all skewed too by the fact that you're
getting absolutely nothing out of the top four hitters in
the batting order right now, right again tonight. I mean,
Josh Smith had two hits, an infield single and a
single to lead off the game. Other than that, nobody
in the top or had a hit tonight. Now take
that back, Yeah, no, that was that was an intentional walk. Yeah,

(36:07):
nobody had a hit in the top four except two
by Josh Smith. And that's after an oh for sixteen
or I think it got to oh for twenty two.
Over the first two games of this series, you got
to get more production than that out of those top four.
And then if you're getting that production, I think it's
easier to decide where to put someone who's hot, like

(36:27):
like Marcus Simeon. But right now, I think in that
in the in the interest of kind of you know, restarting,
you know, having another leadoff hit or doing it by thirds,
although sixth isn't seventh. He's been seventh a bunch, but yeah,
but I could see him being in that seventh spot
just for that. That's that's the next third of the order.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah, it's it's lineup construction is always tricky because you're
also trying to stay out of you know, too many
strikeouts in a row and too many slow guys in
a row, and trying to avoid the double plays and
and things like that. So it's it's hard to do.
You know, Carter has had good at bats the last
couple of nights. I know, he struck out and is

(37:10):
at bad tonight, I believe, but he It just it
feels like Evan Carter is gonna be good at bad
and that's what this team needs, is good at bats.
I still just you know, you hope and to your
point earlier said it looks like things are kind of
turning around offensively. I don't disagree with you. I know
Tuesday was kind of a stinker, but they scored four

(37:31):
and three runs, which is actually probably right about above
their average this season. It would be nice if those
home runs tonight would have come with a guy on base.
You know, as the as the saying in baseball goes
sol the home runs don't get you beat if you're
a pitcher. And sure well it proved proved to be
true tonight. It's it's still just kind of a mess.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
You need guys to get collectively hot. You know, when
you see sime and hitting there in the six hole,
oh gosh. You know, then to your point, nobody's hitting
at the top of the order, right, get somebody on
base ahead of him.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
And you know Alejandro Osuna, uh, look looks like he's
kind of struggling a little bit right now after a
pretty little nice start to his career. Get on base
in his for seven games. You know, they're just answers
that have the questions that have no real answer.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
No no doubt, And look that is Theosuna situation is
guys adjusting, right. They didn't know what to expect out
of this young man, and now they've they've got tons
of tape on him now, ten twelve games of tape
on him, so they're all adjusting to him. Now he's
got to adjust back, and that's the game, and that's
how you stay in the big leagues. There's no guarantee,

(38:47):
obviously that Alejandrosuna is going to stay at the big
league level, but he's not at all. In fact, he's
the opposite of a liability on defense. He seems to
have a pretty good baseball IQ. But to Jeff's point,
you know he's in the five spot in the batting
order tonight, you know you need to get more out
of him than you have for the past couple of nights.

(39:08):
Although again, everything the same can be said for the
four guys above him, one of whom is Corey Seeger.
So you know there's you know, things happen. That's that's
way too short of a sample to make any sort
of a judgment on Alejandro Osuna. But you do have
to remember he's a young guy who's totally just figuring

(39:29):
things out at this level.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, I think, I think, I think Seger needs a
bad second. It's where he's most comfortable. It's where he's
been most of the last two or three years. I
would put him back at second, you know, even if
you have to go left. He left, he was Smith Seger. Yeah,
I would do it. But then, but then that brings
into the question the Simon thing, do you want If

(39:51):
you want Seger batting second, who do you want batting first?
Do you want to go left?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
He lefty?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Do you want to line up to flip over? And
a team can negate it with two left handers. So
I'm not sure how that'll look going forward. But Bruce
Bochi is a is a big believer in writing the
hot hand right now as hottest sitter is Marcus Simeon,
there's no question about it. So you might you might
see him move up, move up the order tomorrow and

(40:16):
the team heads too. Probably my favorite road city Washington,
d C.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
That's a great city. It's a great stuff. I don't
like the ballpark there. I don't like where the ballpark's located, right,
and I like the city, but the city is just awesome. Yeah,
it's so great. Uh, And there As we mentioned, there's
a lot of subplots in there, and we see it
in the chat foremost among them Nathaniel Lowe. And I
I will say this despite numbers that we're seeing uh

(40:42):
and we know him, and we've seen him, we've been
watching him all year. Look, we want we want good
things for Nathaniel low He was one of our favorites
around here. But I don't know that there's you can
have any regret about the way it's worked out with
Jake Berger. Right his number don't he had to go down,
he had to go figure it back out. His numbers

(41:05):
don't compare right now to Nathaniel Lowe's numbers, But he
does provide, as he did tonight, that power and he'll
continue to and and he's another one that that's you know,
I suppose starting to get really hot. We're just seeing
a lot more consistency. Even on nights when nobody's getting hits,

(41:25):
Jake Berger is one of the guys that gets a
hit or two hits or a home run.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
Sure, all right, let's let's play a little game right now.
I'm okay, ounce a couple a couple stat lines.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
All right, very good.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Here's the first one two nineteen two eighty seven. So
two nineteen average two eighty's even on base three sixty
three slugs, six fifty oh ps, eight home runs. That's
player one, okay, player two to twenty to fifty four
oh seven, six fifty seven.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Eight home runs. Number one, Jake.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Number one is Nathaniel Lowe Jake.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
So Jake's got a better average, better average, higher on base,
uh not higher on base, higher, higher ops, same amount
of home runs. And and you know, keep in mind
Jake missed the week with down there where he hit
two home runs. Hey, let's give him ten.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
But anyway, and and then you go, you're gonna go
throw in Robert Garcia, and I know, or Joe blow,
Robert Garcia has not been a journeyman reliever. He's still
pre arbitration eligible.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Anyway, uh so you get Robert Garcia out of it.
Who has four more years of club control, maybe three
more years of club control. All right, I'm not saying
he's Billy Wagner, but all right, when you have Garcia
plus Burger, Rangers win the trade. It's cheaper money, it's players,

(42:57):
more control. It's just it's a Rangers win. Okay, sorry,
Joe to have snapped at you like that. Yeah, it's
just one of those nights.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
But it's all good. No, And I'm with DFW Sports fan.
I don't get the Garcia hate. I mean, it wasn't
a great game tonight, but look, it's he's not a
seasoned closer by any stretch of the investigation hasn't closed,
and he was mostly a seventh or even a sixth
inning guy earlier, and he's come through in a couple
of big instances. The Ragers haven't had that damn many

(43:30):
opportunities to close here of late, unfortunately, but when they did,
he was there to do it.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
And the and the reality is likely when Chris Martin
comes back, and or you know, if Luke Jackson kind
of finds his way back, Robert Garcia may not stay
in that role for right now.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Sure, And I don't know, I don't know. You know,
Chris Martin doesn't strike a lot of guys out, and
and true Garcia has is more of a strikeout guy.
But I do think think that you're going to see
this evolving thing. I think, you know, keep in mind,

(44:08):
and I know it's you know, by the by the
time that Josh Spores and John.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Gray are ready.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
The season might be effectively over, but I think that
the bullpen has a chance to get better. And there's
always the trade deadline, and you know, again, there's so
many relievers out there who are going to be available.
You can go get for you know, a middling double

(44:32):
a player, really you can. You can get help for
not very much. And and so there are opportunities for
this thing to get better. But offense has to get better,
absolutely has to get better. I think the defensive lapses
that we see in the past three days are far
more of the exception than the norm.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
So that's it.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
I mean, there's hope. It looks awful right now.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
It does.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
And then and I and I agree that when you
combine the road record with the offense, this team is
not trending the right way, not all.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Not at all. And yeah, I hated to hear you
say that, even though I've said it many times sort
of to myself. But yeah, by then, the season may
effectively be over, right, I mean, it's just felt like
we could cling to they're getting They're doing the right thing.
This pitching is so good. I don't know, I'm not
sure we can cling to that much longer, but let's

(45:26):
see what happens. We'll keep doing this and we've got
one more segment to do here tonight. That includes our
cleanup segment, probably more from you and more about the
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Beautiful. Speaking of the miners, you see what the Round
Rock Express did tonight.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
Tonight they're getting hammered last night. They did some last
night with twenty one to two. Yes, okay, yes, beautiful. Yeah,
So that's good. That's one of our little cleanup segments.
Dos Inherris it for the cycle.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Yeah, I think he hit his home run off a
position player, but it counts nonetheless.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
And I also saw that they tracked down the ball
and a family gave it to him and he signed it,
and you know all that for the signed something for them.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
So yeah, what a what a good guy he is.
Foscue had two home runs in his first day off
the injured list. Cody Freeman, it looks like it's broken tonight,
but he had his seventh straight game with multiple hits.
A lot of good happened to their round Rock in
Salt Lake City. Not so much tonight, but that's the way.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah, when it go Bochie should step down voluntarily. Please,
needs to get himself some more rest. No guy loves
this job. He lives this job. He breathes this job.
And again, just like it's not the fault of the pitching,
it's not the fault of the manager. And he's done
everything in his power to make this thing work and

(49:53):
for whatever reason thus far it hasn't. But be patient,
and the players love him. They do. The players love
they do, absolutely love them. So that's not going to happen.
Other things in baseball here that did. See what the Diamondbacks.
I saw somebody talk about this in the chat. The
Diamondbacks swept the Braves. Oh, and they've won four in

(50:14):
a row. But the Diamondbacks entered the ninth inning. In fact,
there was one out in the ninth inning of the
Diamondbacks Braves game, and the Braves had a ninety nine
point nine percent chance of winning, or you know, the
winning percentage was ninety nine point nine. I'll take those
odd Those are pretty good odds. And I'll be darned

(50:35):
with one out if the d Backs didn't score seven
runs and win this puppy eleven to ten. They were
down ten to four. They win it eleven to ten
in previous games when they have been down by seven
runs in more than six runs in the ninth inning,

(50:56):
the Diamondbacks were zero and four hundred and nineteen. I saw.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
The opposite of that was like, the Braves hadn't lost
a game like that since nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Right, seven hundred and sixty six in a row. Yeah,
that they when they're up by six and so this
is oh and four nineteen, Because you know, the Diamondbacks
haven't been around as long as the Braves have. But man,
what an amazing comeback and why can we never see
one of those? You know? And I heard Basic talking
about it last night, and he's right. You know, when

(51:28):
they can just keep throwing these pictures at you every
every half inning, who have great spin rate and great
arm and you know, can throw a hundred, it's kind
of like, man, it's hard to mount any sort of
a serious comeback. But obviously at that point the Braves
must have just plane run out of pictures.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
I guess they called up Craig kimberl Is that today?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yeah? Today?

Speaker 5 (51:52):
But as we know, Bassik has been was part of
the biggest comeback come back in Streight League history that
he helped create the yeah deficit, but by god, he
was on the team.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
He was on that team. Yeah. So the kid from
Kansas City, Caglione, he had his first major league hit.
It was an RBI double. Good for him, Good for him.
So lots happening out there in the world of baseball,
and of course lots more happening over the course. Oh
that was fake, Andre says about Floor about kimberl Oh,

(52:26):
maybe it was I saw it, though I definitely did.
But again, that's the other thing, you know, you just
don't know. Well, we got to check our check our
various other sources. But I definitely saw that on twitters
on the internet, so it must be true. It must
be true, right, Yeah, So after the Washington trip, the
Rangers go on to Minnesota and they'll play I think

(52:49):
they have a Monday off day up there, don't they again?
Sure do it, and then they'll play three up there Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Yeah, weather won't be as humid. I mean, d' d
C's humid. It's a little too early for it to
be miserably humid, but yeah, like June and July and
Minneapolis very very nice, August very very nice. You can
get hot, but it's like a dry heat. So AnyWho. Yeah,

(53:21):
you know, next up though, is our nation's capital, the
cradle of democracy. And I love going to that city
because I like going to the museums before the game,
and you know, I don't work out those days because
I know I'm going to be walking at the Smithsonian
and the Smithsonian and checking things out for like, you know,

(53:42):
the tenth time. I just I can't get enough of it.
The ballpark, Like you said, it's a little remote and
when it was first, when it first opened, it was
okay because they hadn't built anything around it, right, so
you could still see all the big buildings, the important buildings.
And now they have little you know, of course, in

(54:03):
d C, you can't build anything taller than the Washington Monument,
so but they're big enough to block out the nice
views that used to exist there.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
And truthfully, it never has emerged into a nice area.
Like it was built in an area that was sort
of full of blight, and the idea was to make
it this beautiful, new hot to go Georgetown type area, right,
and it's just never developed. Yeah it's not.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
It's definitely not George, No, it's definitely yeah. You know,
but I guess RFK was in a terrible part of town.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah it wasn't, I hear, if I'm not mistaken. That's
where they're gonna now in the similar sight or same
site building the news for the for the commanders. Yeah yeah, yeah,
all right, whatever, But again I don't know who knows
what that area. I covered a game way back in
the day at at RFK, maybe more than one, I know,
I remember I covered the very first one FedEx Field

(55:01):
but then anyway, I can't remember and nor have I
seen in twenty five years that RFK area, right, so
it could have changed a lot since then. But that's that.
DC is a great stop. It's a great visit. I
loved going there every year when I was on the
Cowboys beat. The Rangers don't play there every year, but
I think this is the fourth year in a row

(55:22):
they're playing against the Nationals, And I guess now with
this current slay, you play everybody every year. Yeah, but
like a team like Washington, they'll only visit every other year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Yeah, So this year the Rangers go to Pittsburgh. That's
coming up in a couple of weeks. Pittsburgh is great. Boy,
that's the place, Pittsburgh. That ballpark is FATA.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah. Three Rivers, man, this time of year, drive around.
I think it's the Alleghany Mountains. You drive around those
mountains from the airport and you're high and you see
the Three Rivers in the stadiums over there. You're like, oh, man,
this is nirvana for a sports guy. That's heaven. Yeah, beautiful,
beautiful place. Yeah. So I would say that you know

(56:05):
what God's child said from God's Child's lips. You know,
the Rangers are mediocre right now. At best, I mean,
at best, they're mediocre. They're under five hundred, They're four
games under five hundred. They're playing as if they're a
mediocre team. However, as great, not good great as the

(56:26):
pitching has been, and as talented as we know this
lineup can be because we've seen it produce, they shouldn't
be mediocre. They're not built to be a mediocre team. Now,
are they in a deep enough hole because of a
crappy division? Maybe their holes not that deep, so they

(56:46):
may be able to get themselves out of this hole
with just one nice stretch of play.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
You know, And that's the damnedest thing about baseball. The
season is so long, yeah, so long, in more than
ninety games left. So much can happen over the next
ninety games. But really, you know, to everybody's point, you
really need to see it happen over the next let's
say thirty because you know, with the trade deadline approaching,
right the Rangers need to know if they're going to

(57:12):
put themselves in a position to be buyers or you know,
kind of bite the bullet and sell and trade what
you can and the Rangers do have a lot to trade.
Somebody said they had no one to trade. That's not true.
They they have a lot to trade. Tyler Mallley, they
could trade John Gray if he comes back healthy as

(57:33):
a reliever, can trade, Chris Martin, tradeable, Hoby Milner trade.
These are guys all in one year deals. Yeah, you know,
and they didn't sign for a lot, which kind of
sucks because you're not saving a ton of money at
least in the bullpen. But Malle you'd probably be saving
around seven million, Gray probably about six. So you can

(57:55):
save you some money and maybe put that play that four.
I don't know if you're going to get a.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Ton of turns yea for these guys, you know, especially
the relievers.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Yeah, you know, a Dole Scarcia is the interesting one
to watch because if he shows some signs of life
but the Rangers are out of it and they I
really don't think they have any intention of keeping him
beyond this year, that'll be interesting to one to watch.
But we're putting the cart before the horse, and uh,
the Rangers still have time to turn it around. And

(58:29):
I know you guys are tired of hearing that, but
you got it. You got to understand, this isn't football,
no marathon, It's not a Prince is a marathon, and
the Rangers aren't even halfway through the marathon. You know,
they haven't even reached that thirteen point one mile mark
that we see on so many cars out there. I
did see Jeremy say twenty twenty three was a fluke,

(58:49):
and you know, I've heard that a lot lately, and
I know that the reality is that, you know, Chris
Young mentioned that to us in the off season. He's said,
I want to prove that twenty twenty four was the fluke,
not twenty twenty three. Obviously they haven't done that. After
sixty games this year, they had the exact same record.

(59:12):
My guess is, I don't know this. I haven't looked,
but my guess is they had a better record after
sixty three games last year.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
I can't imagine they got probably with a sweep. Yeah,
they probably didn't get swept in the next next series.
But in any event, they're basically where they were last year.
That's definitely not good enough. But we believe that there
are signs of life in this offense, and really no

(59:39):
tremendous signs of the pitching going the wrong way.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Yeah, And I'll say this about flukes.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Who cares.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Yeah, they want to know you win a championship. There
are a lot of fluky championships out there. But as
somebody said to me, flags fly forever, yep, and you
know what.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
That's okay. I would. I would.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
I will if I'd been a fan of a team
for this long and they hadn't won a championship and
they won one. Whether it was a fluke or what,
I don't care. I'm gonna take it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Yeah, And that's a great point. And I saw somebody
in the chat say that too. If it was a fluke,
it was the best sports fluke of my lifetime. And
I'm sure that that that's something many fans would share
that sentiment. So it was fun. The game today was not.
There was nothing fun about it. Hopefully the weekend in

(01:00:35):
DC will be a little bit more fun. And I
do believe that this is one of those soul crushing,
as Dave Raymond said, low moments for a team that'll
make them take stock. And I think you'll see a
pretty focused and determined team over the course of the
weekend in Washington, d C. We're back Sunday with a

(01:00:57):
post game show like this. It'll conclude that that series
against the Nationals, and then next week back to our
normal schedule three days Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday at one o'clock
and then on Thursday we'll do a postgame show after
the end of this long road trip. That is going
to do it for us. Though we appreciate you hanging

(01:01:17):
out late with us, We appreciate all your comments in
the chats. We always appreciate your passion and we're sorry
if we yelled at any of you. We didn't mean to.
Sorry Joe, Yeah, sorry about that, Joe. So anyway, we'll
see you again Sunday for another edition of the DLS
Rangers Podcast.

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