Texas Rangers MOVE ON From Donnie Ecker, What's Next?

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Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know they say you can't fire the team, so
you have to fire the coach. That happened with the
Rangers yesterday after an eight to one victory. We talk
about who replaces Donnie Ecker and where the Rangers go
from here next on the DS Rangers podcast. Yeah so uh,

(01:00):
big news after the Rangers game yesterday, as Leoti Taveres
was given his outright release, and Donnie Ecker, the offensive
coordinator for the Rangers, was relieved of his service as
fired from the job he'd been doing since twenty twenty one.
Hi there, Welcome into the DLLs Sports Studios. Welcome to

(01:22):
the Rangers DLLs Podcast. John Radigan here, Jeff Wilson there,
We've got Elijah Smith profit over there, and we've got you.
We appreciate you. As Jeff exhorted in the social media realm,
feel free to chat and super chat with us today
because we've got a lot to talk about. The Rangers

(01:43):
actually had another sort of another one of those breakout
type games offensively yesterday, Jeff. But in the wake of
a long stretch, really a two year stretch of offense
underperforming and on Friday what Bruce Bochie thought was arguably
the worst offensive game they've had in this whole stretch. Yeah,

(02:04):
it was. That Sunday game was not enough to save
Donnie Ecker.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
True, everything you say is true. The move isn't surprising.
The timing of it, you know, basically he got a month,
you know, and and I think you know, the last
homestand opened with you know, the Rangers under coming off

(02:30):
a terrible series in which they scored at San Francisco
two runs.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
In each of the.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Three games, and it felt like, all right, maybe this
is it. If they turn around on the home stand,
then maybe it buys Donnie Acer some more time. But
then they went out in the five games they lost
on the on the home stand, the seven game homestand
they scored four runs, you know, and that's just not

(02:58):
gonna get it done. They were they were a swing
away from getting shut out in consecutive games until Josh
Smith hit that home run on on Friday night. So
you know, it's not surprising disappointing. You know, you never
want to see anybody get fired. I really, really really
like Donnie. He's a good, good person, a good guy.

(03:21):
Talks about hitting on a different level, and maybe that's
part of the problem. I don't know, but it's it's
kind of crazy. You know, this team led the American
League and runs scored in twenty three, then win the
World Series. They had they had an okay April last year.
A Doulas Garcia was terrific in April of twenty four,

(03:42):
and then it just went then it just went south.
And you know, Donnie was he was serving as the
offensive corridor slash bench coach. He was relieved of the
bench coach duties, you know, told to focus just on
the offense. And maybe that was the the first sign,
you know, that that that that he needed to get

(04:04):
things in gear. I didn't think they had a great
spring offensively, but then you kind of saw some guys
picking it up and you know, like, all right, well
that's just spring training, and then.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
It just bled into this season.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I mean, you know, if if if you want to
to wonder why Donnie Eckers no longer the Rangers offensive coordinator.
Jack Peterson's a big reason. The old scar Sea is
a big reason. Marcus sa means a big, a big reason.
Those last two Jake Berger. But those last two having

(04:37):
returned from last season when they struggled, and they're critical pieces.
Talking about your leadoff hitter and your clean up hitter,
you know, and uh, they're not there anymore. But what
whatever tricks they have tried to do a lineup moving
them around just not just not working.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
And you know, at some.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Point it's like, like you said, off the top, you
can't you can't fire the whole team. You know, these
players have to be able to figure things out too.
You know, they the hitting coach can't go up there
and hit for them. And so now but now it's
to the point where, son of a gun, you know
something's not working. You can't you can't get rid of

(05:18):
the whole team a special especially Simeon, who's still owed
about one hundred million dollars. I think Doles is making
nine in a quarter this year. So Donnie Ecker got whacked.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
And it's interesting because in twenty three the message that
he delivers was so well received that they had literally
a prolific offense for the first really for the first
two thirds of the season anyway, this offense went certainly
the first half of the season, like we were comparing
this offense to the twenty seven Yankees and a lot

(05:55):
of different things that they were doing. And they faded
some in twenty three, but it was obviously there was
strong enough. It was ready to help them win the
World Series. But and that same messaging then became too obscure,
too obtuse, too difficult to understand. I don't know what
it is. I will say this, the messages that Donnie

(06:18):
Ecker sends are not the messages that are not to
not sent anyway, not the wording, not the approach that
other hitting coaches use. And I was actually talking to
David Murphy, not about Donnie Ecker, but just about hitting
the other day, and he referenced Rudy Hawramio and he said,
you know, Rudy Hawrameo told me, and you know, and

(06:41):
he told what he had told him was when you're
in a situation and your you know, your backs up
against it and you've got a driver run in from
play pepper. Right. Well, the reality is every hitting coach
in the world has said that in different ways. Right. Yeah,
Rudy delivered it really well over the years. He lasted
a long time as the Rangers hitting coach. But the

(07:04):
message was the same Donnie's message. Jeff was a little
harder to grasp and understand.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Conceivably, Yes, now he what what he and Tim Hyers
did in twenty three. Uh, you know Donnie was hired
in twenty two. If I'm not mistaken anyway, they add
bio biomechanics to the to to what they do. They
look at a guy's swing and and and figure out

(07:37):
the changes based on that. Uh, they find the holes
in the swing. They do you know, stuff like that.
They're big believers in that and how to leverage just
a body's natural movements. And the issue, though, it seems,
is that the Ranger the opponents have figured and figured
that out. I mean, how many how many pop ups

(07:57):
did the Rangers hit in the last four games, right.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
You know how?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
And some of that's being late, So changeing speed, you're late.
It's still late on the fastballs. That was something the
Rangers were hoping to change this year, and I think
it had been better, but not good enough.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
So it's just.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's it's he is a different hitting coach. He's not
an old school hitting coach. He's not rudy harm you
you know. And but also at at some point, you know,
you can teach him the mechanics of a swing and
all that stuff, but are you teaching them approach? And
I think at this level very clearly they are, you know,

(08:41):
but uh, something's not registering now. The Rangers are constructed,
you know, they're aggressive. They're an aggressive hitting team. They
like to swing the bat. You know, Marcus Simon is
not a leadoff hitter, prototypical. He likes to swing the bat.
Corey Seeger will swing at anything around the plate, no complaints.
Corey Seeger obviously a Doulas Garcia. You know he's second

(09:04):
in the second worst chase rate in baseball. Jonah him
swings a lot, so you don't have patient hitters. These
aren't the Yankees and Red Sox from the early two thousands.
You know, they want to get on base by hitting
the ball. Of course, all teams are better when they're
not doing that, when you're mixing in some walks. You

(09:25):
can look at the Rangers two wins on this home stand.
A they scored twelve and eight runs in those games,
but they walked more. You know, they had four walks yesterday.
It's the six, six run third inning started with Blaine
Krim taking a walk. So there's elements that have just

(09:46):
flat been missing. But some of that is the personnel.
And so are you able to change a hitters approach
over the course of a season. You know, you can't
do it in the offseason because there's no life pitching.
So how do you do that? And I think that's
the element that's that's missing here, is that well? And

(10:07):
I mean and then all of a sudden the Rangers
can't hit a home run? How about that? That's a
staggering one in like ten days. So I think it
just it just went straight and it was it was
in the toilet and it just finally swirled down.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, well it's it's a it's a really confounding situation
when a guy that recently has been that successful with
essentially these same guys, but the message had ceased to
be received properly. And you know, I think you're right.
I think Chris Ye And by the way, you are right.

(10:44):
His first season was twenty two. He was hired in
November of twenty one. When I said he's been the
hitting coach since twenty one. I wasn't the twenty one season,
but yeah, that was not a good season offensively or
any other way, but anyway that the reality is that
the the message didn't change, right, but the reception of

(11:09):
that message clearly did. And and the reality other the
other reality is we may find out that the new
guy comes in and he can't necessarily connect with these guys, right,
I mean, you have to have it has to get
done by the players. Sure, And I realized what Chris

(11:29):
Young is trying to do is find somebody else who
can help facilitate that that getting it from. Here's our theory,
here's our approach, here's our you know concept, you know,
here's our our you know, playbook. Now you go do.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
It execute it right? Yeah, it's not. But again, you know,
pass the baton, you know, yeah, be you know, make
make pictures work, swing at your pitches. These are all
things that all teams and all hitting co just talk about.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's not like Donnie and and Justin Vealey and last
year Tim Hyers were saying completely different things. It's it's
pretty standard stuff, you know. I mean, it's okay to
take a walk, you know, don't help the picture out,
don't put yourself in a in a bad count, those

(12:22):
kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Uh, just.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Crazy that collectively this group has has lost sight of that.
And now again, and I've been saying this for a
couple of weeks. And and maybe this is a defense
of Donnie or maybe it's not, but you kind of
look around baseball and and a lot of hitters in
baseball have their own hitting coaches. Okay, guys that they're

(12:47):
sending you know, video images to every day, paying out
of their own pockets and paying pretty well, you know.
And and Corey Seeger has had his guy, Sean Wooten
for years and it's hey, it works right, and Donnie

(13:10):
Ecker and Wuton had a nice relationship. There's a change
to Corey's stance this year. It's more open. Apparently that
was a collaborative effort. A Doulas Garcia is using a
guy named Jeremy Eisenhower, who is Donnie Bobby Witt Junior
and Alex Boem's hitting coach. Okay, that's new this year

(13:34):
is that who are these guys listening to Jack Peterson?
It's a documented it's on the internet. His hitting coach
is Marlon Byrd, the former Rangers guy. Marlon Bird also
works with Corbyn Carroll with the Diamondbacks. Jock's been with
Bird for apparently six years. It's been a long standing thing.

(13:55):
Who is Jack Peterson listening to? You know, he has
the working relationship with Justin Vee from the Giant his
time with the Giants, But it's like who who who
are you listening to? The you know, games on the line,
you're up, Whose tips are you taking with you?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And so these are now these are things that again
it's an industry wide thing. It's not just something specific
to the Rangers.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
It's up. You know, it's the duty of the hitting
coach to have communication with these guys.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
But you know who does the hitting Who does the
player value the most? Guy he's pain, who's probably pumping
him with what he wants to hear, or the guy
who's in the dugout seeing every pitch, every swing in
real time.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I think I think it's just a different different time
in baseball. You know it is, and you know it
is harder to hit.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
These players want to be as good as they possibly
can be. So if they can hear another another voice
or get gets some other input, they're going to do it.
But to a lot of the chatters, do they have
too much information in their heads? And that might ultimately
be what's going on?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, that may be it. When they get up there,
not only who's you know, information are they taking, but
can they process which one they want to use and
how they want to use it and keep it consistent.
There's a lot up there. There's a lot to discuss
with this. Up next though, we're going to talk about
that other change the Rangers have made in center field
in a way with Leodi Taveras. We're going to talk

(15:30):
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these questions and we try to ferret out what they'll do,
where they'll go, how this is going to look when
they start playing again tomorrow in Boston. It's all coming up.
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Speaker 2 (18:03):
So Leoti Tavares learned after the game yesterday that he
too would lease for now, not be a part of
the immediate future with the Texas Rangers, as they outright
released him yesterday, Jeff, which means that any team can
claim him, but if they do, they must take on

(18:26):
the three and a quarter million dollars that Leodi is
still owed for this year.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, it's probably a little more than that really because
he was douf. He's making four point eight this year.
You figure they've played a month, so subtract a third
or a sixth. So I can't do the math, but
I'd say it's more a little bit over at four
somebody would you know? An outright release, It's what they
did with Dane Dunning at the end of spring training.

(18:51):
It's a way to keep the guy in the organization. Basically,
you put him on release waivers. If if he doesn't
get claimed, then he has the option of rejecting the
assignment to the minor leagues, but he would have to

(19:13):
forfeit a salary, and you know, he could become a
free agent, but you have to forfeit a salary.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Leoti's not gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Dane Dunny didn't do that. It is too much money.
So this is a way to keep Leode in this
in the organization because he's not going to turn down
four million because he won't be getting it from anybody else.
So here we go. It is a It's a move
though that frees up a forty man spot. And that's
kind of the most curious thing about it, because now

(19:40):
the Rangers have the opportunity to add a non forty
man outfielder and I've been told that in Alejandro Osuna
is definitely being considered to take that spot. He's at
double A or he's currently just on a tear. He
was a fantastic player spring training. Everybody, every coach fell

(20:03):
in love with Alejandro Osuna. He's the Rangers reigning Minor
League Player of the Year. Can play all three outfield spots,
runs the base as hard, does a little, just does
everything well. Not everything great, but he does everything well.
So I think that he's in play. And of course
Evan Carter is the name that everybody wants.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
To see called up, and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Honestly, I've been told he's in play. Also, It's crazy
how things can change in forty eight hours. On Friday,
I was told that the plan was for Evan to
play this week for Round Rock play five times, okay,
more than he's been playing. See how the back responds.
He had an appointment with the back specialist today, just

(20:53):
a check up. He's been doing these things regularly, just
making sure everything is okay. So I don't know who
it's honestly gonna be because I was told Friday these
things can change, and and obviously they have. So if
the Rangers felt good about the way that Evan uh
came through last week, you know, they put him in

(21:16):
a situation where he had to pinch hit because that's
gonna be something Evan's gonna have to do. And he
hit a He hit a home run, you know, So
he does draw walks. Everybody knows that he has a
new swing which is designed to take take pressure off
the back. When he's played, he's been fine. You know,

(21:37):
He's been stealing bases, getting on base, doing stuff like that.
So it's it's gonna be one or the other all right,
and and it wouldn't surprise me if if it's oh soon,
it wouldn't surprise me if it's Evan And and yeah,
I know there's some chatter out there about, well the

(21:57):
Rangers if they wait till if they wait till let's
say the fifth, So if they wait until Wednesday, well
then then they will then manipulate his Carter service time
enough to get an extra year of arbitration eligibility. Chris
Young doesn't do that enough. If Evan Carter, if he

(22:18):
thinks Evan Carter can help the team right this second,
he'll do it. I just firmly believe that. And kind
of the feedback I've gotten from some people I've texted
is very similar to that. They think that the idea
that the Rangers are manipulating the service time is not accurate.

(22:41):
Evan Carter is dealing with something that the Rangers haven't
had to deal with before. They are trying to figure
out how they can get this guy who did so
much for them in twenty three back to that form.
But more importantly, make sure he stays healthy, make sure
he stays that player. I don't know if Evan Carter
right now is an everyday player that was Would he

(23:02):
be an upgrade? Probably, you know. I mean he does
a lot of the things that the Rangers aren't doing
at the plate, like draw walks.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, but see a lot of pitches.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
You also need a guy up there who can drive
the ball, and if you're going to put him in
center field, you need to be sure that he can
do that. Let's say, if you're playing seven games in
a week, hopefully five times.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I still don't think he'll play against leftiest, which is
why the Rangers are doing the pinch hitting thing. But
I just think that I will not be surprised either
way with Evan. But I'm kind of leaning toward him
staying at Triple A for the week. Osuna, I think
he's I think he's Rule five eligible after the year,

(23:46):
So you get him on the roster now, don't have
to worry about it. At the end of the season.
He can come up for a week and then when
Carter's ready, you can you can have your choice. You
can option Osuna maybe to Triple A.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
This time.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
You know, Dustin Harris is still there, and Dustin Harris
is playing a hell of a center field. Yeah, he's
doing a great tuy it really really well. So the
Raiders have options. The question then becomes, all right, so
you're gonna put Evan in there, What are you going
to do with Dustin Harris? What are you gonna do
with a DoLS Garcia? Now Doles had a couple of
hits yesterday, all right, I mean the potential is there,

(24:20):
But man, would you would you consider limiting his advats?
Maybe you give him time with the new hitting coach. Say,
you know what, I know who we know you're paying
somebody on the outside.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
It's not working.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, get with.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
This guy for a few days.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
If it's if it's somebody new, I mean, it could
be justin Veeley, and then it's it's nothing really changes there,
I guess.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
With with the Doles.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
But if it's somebody from outside the organization, maybe Hensley
Muelin's all right, that's a name that I threw out there.
He was the hitting coach on Boche's championship teams in
San Francisco. He just got fired by the Rockies. You know,
I'm sure there are other hitter qualified hitting coaches out there,
but you know, I just we're hopefully finding out today

(25:10):
what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, we feel like there's a there's going to be
an announcement later today, and of course watch the social
media's for that because Jeff will be all over it,
as will I will certainly have anything on it for
tomorrow's show as well, but hopefully there will be some
closure to that. What about yesterday's center fielder Josh Smith? Right, Yeah,

(25:33):
I suppose he'd also be a He plays everywhere, so
he'd be a candidate for that right field. I mean,
if there's someone who needs to take over a little
bit of time, there is there any wisdom though in
not recalling Osuona yet letting Evan, you know, continue to
grow and continue to figure out the back and just

(25:56):
you've got a pretty adequate replacement, if not that an
adequate and it's a guy you got to find a
place in the lineup for.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Bruce Bochi was asked yesterday, are there any scenarios in
which Josh Smith is the everyday center fielder, and Bruce
Bochi said no, h Smith's value is in giving guys
days off. Playing third base to get Josh young office feet,
Elaine Short stopped to get Corey Seeger off his feet
playing right field to get a Doulas Garcia office feet.

(26:30):
So I don't I think Josh Smith will play center field, yes,
but I don't think he's going to be the everyday
center fielder, just based on what Bruce Bochie said yesterday.
Now this was before everybody everybody was fired, So I
don't know, but I think that's the manager's thought. And

(26:51):
you know, he is the manager, and I think that
if he wants to use one player to manage the
health and will being of other players, than Bruce Bochy's
gonna win out on that one.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And so your thought, you know,
on Boach's former hitting coach is probably a good one.
There's also a you know, a possibility with Seth Connor
there and Justin Veeley there that they don't need to
necessarily hire somebody to replace Donnie as the offensive coordinator. Yeah,

(27:27):
you know, and.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Donnie was.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Game planning, but he was kind of in charge of
how they wanted the organization to hit, so that when
these guys got to the got up and got to
the major leagues, they were ready to step in. You
kind of look at some of the players they've drafted.
Donnie Ecker didn't want guys hitters who were, you know,

(27:52):
tall and long and laky because they have too many
holes in their swings. He wanted guys who were kind
of more compact. And Dylan Dryling, the second round pick
last year, as an example, five foot eleven, six foot,
you know, not a guy with these huge long arms
who you can you know, figure out.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And and you know, no more Ronald Gouseman than Joey Gallows,
you know, right, so you like.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
The Josh Smith proto type better than the than the
jonah Heim proto type.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, I guess so. And but that's that's just kind of.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I don't know. Then if if you're you can't overnight
change the way the whole organization approach is hitting, you know,
do you do you leave Cody Atkinson, the minor league
kitting cordinator down there to make sure everything stays the
same in the minor leagues? Do you do you stick

(28:47):
with Justin Veeley, who again came from the Giants where
he had worked with Donnie Ecker, And Donnie was fired
up about it because he's like, we speak the same language,
we use the same terminology. Okay, that hasn't worked for
a month. No, no, now is it truly different?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Though?

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I don't. I don't know enough. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I haven't talked enough to Justin Veeeley about it. So
there are just some a lot of uncertainties, a lot
of unknowns. But the reason that makes me think that
they might be going outside is you don't just decide
in the seventh inning, let's fire the guy.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Let's just do it today.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
You know, you think about this, you have somebody in
mind who you want to replace him. You can't conduct
a coaching search. You know, all the good ones are gone.
You know, it's a very limited pool of available hitting coaches,
and you've probably been in contact with them and know
if they want to take the job. So I just

(29:46):
I just think, though, because they didn't say, oh yeah,
Justin Veeley is taking over, that maybe they have a
couple couple guys.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
On the line, something else in mind. And yeah, you
certainly don't say that fire the guy in the seventh
thinning of an eight to one victory when the Rangers
finally had some offense going and had a really good
inning when they scored six in the third yesterday. So anyway,
we'll talk more about that in the next segment. We'll
also get to a story about one of the hottest

(30:15):
hitters in the Rangers system right now. Could he be
a candidate to come back and help this team. It's
all coming up. It's the DLLs Rangers podcast.

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Duran he is raking in the minor league. Ex jet
Ezekiel Duran has gone to the minors and he has
taken exactly the right approach. And we talk about this
a lot. When you get demoted, obviously, it's a very
disappointing thing. And when you get demoted, there is an
opportunity for you to do one of two things. One,

(33:07):
get there and completely embrace the new opportunity and show
the Rangers or whoever the major league team is that
they were wrong to demote you. Or two, go there
and sulk and you know, be a jerk and maybe
never get called back up or they'll let you go
or whatever. Zeke has done it just the right way,
which isn't surprising. He's such a good guy. And what

(33:29):
he has proven Jeff down there is that when Ezekiel
Durant has the opportunity to play every day, he's a
different guy.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Right, And that's the problem with Ezekiel Nares It is
where in the major leagues is he going to play
every day? And there isn't a spot for that now,
you know, I mean, they can create one sure. I
mean it would take you know, sitting Marcus Simeon or
a Doulas Garcia or an injury which you don't want.

(34:01):
Uh So there's just nowhere for him to play every day.
And that's that's the rub. He's a young hitter. When
he has played regularly in the major leagues, he's done well.
I mean, twenty twenty three, he picked up a lot
of slack for Corey Seeger. When Seger was hurt in
April and May, he was fantastic. Ezekiel was. He's not

(34:26):
going to get that opportunity up in the Major so
you need to leave him down for a while. He
needs he's in the he hasn't even had fifty at
bats down there yet. Get him, get him at least
one hundred and fifty, let's say, get it to where
he can repeat it without regular playing time, and.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Maybe you do what you're doing with Carter right now.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Eventually you get to the point where it's like, all right,
you're not going to start, but you're going to come
up in the seventh inning and pinch hit, you know,
and and and get him accustomed to getting prepared to
do that in a game. Figuring out how to keep
his swing sharp when he's not going to be playing
six days a week. I guess there are ways to

(35:12):
do it, and it's something that guys have to learn
how to do. It's like, you know, Travis Chankowski. You
you knew that Travis Schankowski, he knew he wasn't gonna
play every day. He really hadn't played every day in
his career except once, but he knew how to stay ready.
So that's that's the that's the point where Duran needs
to get if he's going to remain a utility guy

(35:35):
for this team. Otherwise you go get a veteran guy
for you know, a million and a half bucks in
spring training and you know, non roster deal, make him
make the team and then just sit.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
And roll with him.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So I don't know that he's an immediate answer, but
it's positive. He's doing what the Rangers want him to do,
and he's doing what you hope Jake Berger will do
right and and you know Leodi Tavaris, if if Leodie
he gets through waivers, you you hope that that happens.
So good things from Ezekiel Duran. But I don't think

(36:10):
he's a short term solution.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, And like you say, there's no place to put him.
I mean he does the same things that Josh Smith does.
To Josh's credit, he has figured out a way to
get himself into that everyday lineups, and it's uh, right now,
there's an opportunity to use him, like we said, every
day in center field, and Boat says, no, he's too
valuable doing it the way they've been doing it, which
is to give guys rest and to put him where

(36:35):
he's needed. And when somebody goes on a ten day
injured list stint, there's Josh Smith to pick up that slack.
So that's that's the story about Ezekiel Duran. I see
lots in the chat Jeff, about the Michael Young's of
the world, the Ian Kinsler's of the world, the Adrian
Beltrays of the world, the Mark Derosis of the world.
And look here's my thought on all those names. None

(36:57):
of them really want it want that job, I mean,
offensive coordinator. But I don't disagree with the thought process.
And all you need to do is look at this
weekend's opponent to realize how well that can work. A
year ago in August or so like up until last

(37:18):
August when the Seattle Mariners had the worst offense, the
best pitching, but the worst offense in the game, and
they brought in Edgar Martinez. And Edgar Martinez, no, he's
a hitting machine. He knows how to hit. He clearly
knows how to tell guys how to hit. And since August,
the Mariners have the best offense, one of the best

(37:38):
offenses in the game. And we're talking against everybody, you know,
the Dodgers and the Mets and everybody, the Yankees, everybody else,
but Edgar. He didn't want the hitting coach job either.
He took a higher role, right because the day to
day traveling with the team all the time is a

(37:59):
g And all those names that you mentioned, they did
it for their whole careers, and they're just they've made
enough money where they don't need to do that again.
And so consequently, it's not that they wouldn't necessarily love
to be around the game again, it's just that they
wouldn't love some of the things that go with it.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
That is to say, the schedule, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
No, that's these these guys made a ton of money, yep,
all right, They've put in their time. They and Michael
and Ian's case, they have they have children, multiple children
who are in their teenage years, are getting very close

(38:43):
and and Michael has moved from DFW to to Newport Beach,
tough life. Ian Ian still lives here. But you know,
his son is a baseball player who picks up plays
in a tournament basically every weekend. His daughter is like
an emerging track star who she's she's so she's busy,

(39:04):
and she travels with track and so, you know, I
don't see them as as candidates, at least not full time.
Could they come in like Edgar Martinez. Maybe if it
was August, you know, right now, you're you're still talking
about a five month commitment here, you know, and there
are there are guys on staff. You know, some people

(39:26):
have mentioned Skip Schumacher. I'm sure that Skip has some
hitting pedigree in his in his background. I don't know
that he's ever been a hitting coach. Nick Hunley, Nick
Hunley special assistant Big Buddies with with Chris Young. He's
been on the TV broadcast interestingly enough last week. Maybe

(39:48):
they're getting him, getting him, getting his face out there
so that you've put the face with the name. I
don't know Dale Swain was the hitting coach for the
Royals in twenty fifteen when the when the Royals won
the World Series with Chris Young on the raw. I
think I don't know where Dale is now, but maybe
he's available, so I you know, there there are tons
of names you can throw out and see what sticks.
But I'm not sure that that we we truly know

(40:11):
until it's going to be announced. And maybe maybe uh
you know, maybe somebody I have my phone right here,
maybe somebody sends me a text. Hopefully I've definitely got
uh got some messages out. Maybe Ken Rosenthal is going
to get it. I don't know, somebody's going to make
Maybe somebody gets it before it is announced. But the antisity,

(40:32):
the thought is that today there will be a conference call.
I did just get a text two thirty two thirty.
There will be a conference call. Uh so less than
an hour, and we'll see, we'll see where it goes
from there. But obviously, like I said way back in

(40:55):
the first segment, you don't make this move without a plan, No,
you just don't. So I'm sure they have an idea.
Maybe they were tying up some loose ends. Maybe somebody
had to catch a flight to Boston. I don't know sure,
but it needs to be no rarities. It will not
be broadcast. This as a call for writers only, so

(41:17):
we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, it'll be really interesting to see. But to your point,
no team would do it like you kind of, you know,
kiddingly suggested, like let's fire the hitting coach and then
figure out what we're going to do next. Right, No
team would do especially not a team that is led
by Chris Young. I mean, that guy is completely He

(41:40):
is so focused, jeff and so driven. And I have
to admit I don't like that this happened for Donnie Ecker.
I don't like what happened over the weekend to Jake Berger.
I don't like what happened yesterday to Leodi Taveras. These
are guys we like, right, oh yeah, but I love

(42:01):
that Chris Young did it. These are hard decisions that
have to be made. Nobody wants to be in a
position to have to make those decisions because they're so hard.
But Chris Young made them. He made the tough calls.
And you know, now hopefully it works. I mean, you know,
it's still got to work, but just making those tough

(42:22):
decisions rather than sticking with the status quo is huge,
and Chris Young is a guy who clearly, you know,
is not afraid to make that tough decision.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Yeah, you know he Chris talked to us Friday about
the Burger slash Krim move, and you know, we asked
some questions and you know, he said, this isn't about
last year. This is about what's best right now for
the Texas Strangers. But there's no way that last year
didn't play into this, you know, I mean, it's it's

(42:53):
a continuation, you know. And last year, as you pointed
out now a month ago, everybody was saying, last year,
oh yeah, this offense is going to turn around, there's
no question about it.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
And it didn't.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And you know, once the once these uh with all
these low scoring games, probably probably that second series, the
Red Series one to noth and everyone's like, oh, this
offense is gonna this is gonna turn around, and guess what,
it hasn't. So yeah, Chris Young's not wanted to sit
idly by and and let let this occur, you know,
the not you know what what allow what what's the

(43:30):
insanity quote allowing these things?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah? Yeah, the true definition of insanity is to do
the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
So I think at this point that's kind of where
he was on that, and that's fine.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You know, he he is the.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
President of baseball operations of the Texas Rangers. It's his
job to win baseball games. He's getting paid to do that.
You know, he has a boss. He has you know,
Ray Davis, the owner or the team, is his boss.
And as you'll recall, Ray Davis just in August of
twenty two decided to up and fire John Daniels. So

(44:10):
there there is there is accountability at the very very
top of the organization. Even though you never hear from
the guy there, there is accountability there. So hey, maybe
maybe Ray went up to Chris one day and said,
all right, I've had enough of this, make.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
A move, make a move, let's do something. Yeah, and
he did. He did a lot this weekend. Now it's
time to figure out if it will work. We think
it will, we hope it will. We'll know a lot
more though, in you know, forty five minutes when we
hear what the plan is for next for the Rangers.
So coming up next though, in the program, we've got

(44:49):
got to get to our cleanup segment. A big news
about a game the Rangers will play in Boston that
we've got for you To'll lead it off. Next it's
the DLLs Rangers Podcast.

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Speaker 2 (47:42):
So Thursday's get Away Day game in Boston, we'll be
simulcast with MLB Network. Oh, so you can see it
on the Ranger Sports Network. Jeff, Okay, but also you
could see it on the MLB network. And I see
far be it from me to ever encourage you to
not watch Rangers Sports Network. But MLB Network's got a

(48:06):
pretty cool thing going. Oh they're micing up a player
for the entire game, oh, with a ten second delay,
And they say that is only that is only to
make sure that the sensitive ears are not offended by
some of the things that might be said on the field.
And so you wonder who it is that they're micing up,

(48:28):
and maybe if the Rangers were playing a little better,
it'd be one of their players. But it's Jared Duran,
you know, the All Star Game MVP, and the guy
who had do you know so much? So much came
out about this young man during the hard knock stuff,
so whatever they call that. Yeah, anyway, I look forward

(48:50):
to that. I may actually swim by there and just see.
I've always been fascinated. We used to ask Nathaniel Lowe
all the time because he was so gabby at first base. Yeah,
and he could never really tell you what he says.
And I know we get that because each guy, you
know them from a different life, from a different world,
So you just have a conversation with yeah, so you

(49:12):
don't really remember. I don't know. I just had a
conversation with him. But every single player that came by,
low would say stuff to him and they end up
cracking up and stuff and we're like, what the hell
are you saying? You know? And anyway, I'm always fascinated
by that. I'll love to hear what all goes on
out there, and that'll be interesting to see how much
of it.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
They use yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, Jared Duran has
had some verbal slips in the past. I got him
in trouble. So sure it's an interesting candidate. But you know,
like if a ball gets hit over his head and
he oh, oh shit, I go get that, you know,

(49:54):
so you don't you don't want to hear those I
mean I do, I do, But you know, the team,
the young kid, it's the youth of America watching. You
don't want them to hear that. So well, that's interesting. Yeah,
I'll probably watch Ranger Sports Network though.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, it'll make it an interesting watch. So history made
in the beautiful confines of Camden Yards yesterday. Oh wow,
the Orioles and the Royals had a game in which
eleven home runs were hit. That's not the historic part.
The part that ties a record historically is that ten

(50:32):
of those, Jeff, Ten of those home runs were solo shots.
Oh wow, can you imagine eleven home runs, ten solo shots,
and seven of the home runs, by the way, were
hit by the Kansas City Royals, just four by the Orioles.
But on those humid days with a little breeze, and
you know, you can get that ball out of Camden Yard.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, the summertime, the ball flies there. And I know
they haven't had a lot of home runs the last
couple years because they moved they they moved the they
made the fence taller and they moved it back. Well
now they've moved it in a yeah, short defense, so
they can't figure out what they want to do. But
the Royals hadn't. You know, the Royals have struggled offensively too.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
And.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
You know, they hadn't hitden I can't remember what was
seven home runs in a week, and then all of
a sudden they hit seven in a game.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, so that tells you. But also the the solo
homers is an indication that baseball is hard and guys
aren't getting on base across the league. You know, you
look at the Orioles, young guys Attalie Rushman and Gunner
Henderson and Jackson Halliday, they're all hitting around two hundred. Yeah,
you know, so it's not just a Rangers thing, however,

(51:50):
and and the Orioles are bad, you know, they're not
very in last place, and that's they've got some pitching
problems of Ale Gibson's in their rotation. Big fan of Kyle,
but Kyle gets in the rotation. Uh so they have issues,
but that is kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, and I did, I did see that. I'm
pretty sure I saw that Holliday had his first two
homer game. Okay, other day over the course of the weekend.
More history, Riley Green.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Riley Green.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yes, on that had two home runs in the ninth
inning of a game in Anaheim against the Angels the
other day. First time in major league history that anybody's
hit two home runs in the ninth inning. And really,
I mean, that's probably not that surprising, Jeff, I mean,
how often do you bat two times in the ninth.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Right, right?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
And but you figure all these games and play, that's
something that would have happened. Of course, nobody will ever
top Fernando Tatis Senior hitting two Grand slams in the
same inning. Was not the ninth obviously, but that's the
that's the benchmark for it. Really is same inting home runs. Really,
good luck trying to break that one.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
But I was.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That the game where Neto and scooball got into it? Yes, yeah, yeah, well, okay,
I think Schooball ended up. I know that Nedo hit
the home run, but ultimately Terrek had a really nice game.
He did the only run that the angel scored he did.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
And and you know, the after Boston on Thursday, after
that getaway the game, the Tigers or the Rangers go
to play the Tigers in Detroit. And this is a
team that's really good. And by the way, their last
stop on their ten game road trip, of which there
aren't many anymore. Yeah, but the last stop on this
ten game road trip for the Tigers is in Colorado. Oh,

(53:40):
so you know, they they may be coming in hot,
as you say, and they were. They're still off to
that historic start. I think they're thirteen and three or
something like that at home. And by the way, I
don't remember this ever happening to the Rangers, but I
saw a note where the Tigers play ad you know,

(54:01):
in four consecutive series, if you will, in four time zones.
So they played the last series at home, which is
the Eastern time zone last Sunday, and then they were
in Houston Central time zone, and then they were in
Anaheim Pacific time zone. They're going on and now they'll
stop the Mountain time zone. That's interesting, pretty wild.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
That is that I don't know I did.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Back in the day I did almost all the ten
game road trips for the Rangers when we were traveling,
and uh, I don't ever remember being in four time
zones in.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yeah, go back and look, that's wonder if.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
That's one to me. But anyway, so Riley Green makes history.
How about this Chandler Simpson, jeff speed demon, unbelievable scored
on an scored from second on an infield hit the
other day.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, that's just knowing your personnel and anticipating what is
going to unfold with the play. And but man, this guy,
this guy's kind of fun to watch, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
He's super fun to watch. They said in college he
actually more on more than one occasion, he actually scored
from second on sackflies.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Yeah yeah I watched one of those, did you. Yeah,
there was video of it, and yeah he.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Tags up at second and they can't get him at home.
And the other players, I mean again, everybody's like, wow,
this guy's really fast. The other players are all fast too.
That's the first, you know, sort of benchmark for making
it in the major leagues is to be a fast person.
And they're all like, this guy is so fast. He's
at max speed with his first step, right, nobody's at

(55:40):
max speed with their first step, but they feel like
he is and a really good elite What is that
per second feet per second thing is thirty that's elite.
He was at thirty one point one feet per second
when he scored from second base on the on the
infield hit the other day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, so you talk about the fastest guys in the game,
and obviously he's at the top of the list. Miles
Straw uh Byron Buckson for for a long time, had
been I don't know how he's doing with the health.
I'm sure he's still pretty fast. Evan Carter is a
fast guy. Bobby Wood Junior, it's a fast guy.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
What's the King in San Diego?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I mean in Cincinnati, Ellie de la Cruz, you know,
and then you know, Billy Hamilton was that guy for
a long time. So, uh, it's a it's a it's
a small group. Terrence Gore right with the Royals. That's
all he did was pinchrick.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
So anyway, Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty fun to see
the Simpson guy and the Rangers play at Tampa in
early June. The first weekend of June, so or not,
the weekend, the weekend there in Washington, so like June

(56:53):
second through fourth, let's say somewhere there.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, and they play in Tampa. Yeah this time, Yeah,
this is and they've already been here. Not in Saint Pete. Uh,
they play in actual Tampa and play in that that
Yankee spring training stadium. So it'll be a fun one
to watch.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Joey Gallows pitching, I don't know how well, let's take
a look see what old Joey's been trying here. We
knew he had a really good arm. We felt like
he could have been a pitcher coming out of high school,
Jeff uh and he and he opted to be a
hitter and a third baseman. But he's got a good arm,

(57:32):
and he's we know he's gonna have some vlo.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, h you know, he was a he was a
pitcher in high school. He famously threw an old hitter
on his night of this on his day of the
senior prom, and then took Greg Magnatic to the prom.
So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
You know, I've always liked Joey. I hope for the best.
I think it's gonna he's he's facing a very very scire.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
You got to get a team interested in the first place.
You're gonna have to go to extended spring training and
while they put their hands on you, then you're gonna
end up on the buses again in low way. You know,
it's it's gonna be a road. It's not like he's
just suddenly gonna you know, someone's just gonna play that
he's a pitcher and then you're like, oh my god,
let's get him in our bullpen right away. It's going

(58:22):
to be a long process. There are a lot of
guys who have tried it. And you know DJ Peters
if people remember yeh from that that those miserable Ranger
seasons in twenty one, he tried it with the Rangers.
I don't know what he's doing now. Anthony Ghost, who
was also in the Rangers system for a while, former
Guardian Tiger Tigers. Right now he's with the Guardians. He's

(58:47):
been in the major leagues. Left hander throws one hundred.
So they're not saying it can't be done. But it's
not going to be an overnight thing.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Oh we'll root for Joey and we'll be anxious to
see what the Rangers announced today. Two thirty, Chris Young
will have a conference call with the writers. He's not
just calling to say how you guys doing, There's there's
something to be announced here and and it's likely that
it is at that time that the plan will be revealed.

(59:15):
The plan included relieving Donnie Ecker of his duties yesterday,
and the plan now includes what the Rangers will do
going forward for you know, basically, Jeff, I don't know
for resurrecting is the right word, but but making this
offense work. This offense ain't working.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
It's not it's not working, and so you know, might
as well, might as well try to make it work.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Right. Well, we always say if it ain't broke, don't
fix it. Well, it's broke, right, so it needs to
be fixed. And so Chris Young is in a position
where again as a huge not only did as Jeff mentioned,
you know, he's getting paid to do this job, and
it's also a Rangers fan and it hurts his heart
too when the Rangers are underperforming offensively like it hurts yours.

(01:00:09):
He grew up a Rangers fan and he takes that
responsibility very seriously. So it's broke and he intends to
fix it. He will do whatever it takes to fix it, clearly,
and so the next step in his mind is to
hire another whether it's an offensive coordinator, whether it's another

(01:00:30):
hitting coach, whether it's an offensive consultant a lah and
Edgar Martinez, whatever it is, Chris Young has a plan,
and I must admit, despite the fact that this hasn't
been working, I pretty much believe in Chris Young's plans.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
You should.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You know, he's got that whole World Series thing in
his back boocket. So to answer your questions, I will
be reporting on it on the Twitter and then at
aldls dot com. And to answer the the Jake Berger thing,
he has not played in the minors. He has seventy
two hours report. They are on the road. I would
imagine that Jake will be in the lineup tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Very good. I think we've touched all the bases and
I'm anxious to see what comes next for the Rangers.
Remember they're off tonight. SERIH starts in Boston tomorrow, early
start times. They are five thirty games from Boston tomorrow
and Wednesday, and just after noon on Thursday. We will
hit be here again tomorrow at one o'clock for another

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