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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The top ten what ifs in Dallas sports history coming
to you right now on this very special edition of
the DLS Podcast. What could have been, what should have been,

(00:22):
and what still might could be. There aren't many more
things that are fun about being a sports fan than
sitting around talking about hypotheticals, and that's what we're gonna
do here for the next hour on the DLLLS Podcast.
My name is Bobby Corella and I'm joined by Clarence Hill. Clarence,
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Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, So over the next hour, we are going to
unveil the top ten what if moments in Dallas sports history,
as voted on by the staff. Sent out a survey
and we all tallied up the points and this is
what we got to show for it. So without further ado,
let's get right into it. The number ten what if
in Dallas sports history? Let's turn back the clock all
the way to nineteen eighty one. What if Dwight Clark

(02:17):
for the San Francisco forty nine ers did not reach
up to the heavens and pulled down the catch in
the nineteen eighty one NFC Championship game, Clarence Hill, what
the heck would have happened?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, first of all, it's a show. Should be what
a could have? Should have?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Okay, number one?

Speaker 6 (02:37):
What all due respect, this is too low in his opinion,
this was a monumental play. Monumental play in Cowboy's history.
So much would have happened if he doesn't catch that ball.
Understand this, This is eighty one. Cowboys were still one
of the top programs.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
This is right after Roger retired, Danny taken over. He
doesn't catch that ball, and the Cowboys go and win
a Super Bowl, the third Super Bowl on Tom ran Landry,
the first with Danny White. Remember Danny White went to
three straight NFC title games. This may be the beginning
of three straight Super Bowl run Super Bowl titles. If

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they win that game, Danny White is a footnote in
history right now. If they win that game, win the
Super Bowl Danny White is in the ring of.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
He's in the same breath with Roger Stacker, Troy Aikman.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Career, the Cowboys all time leading past.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah but you're but but you're already getting them to
win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, it was they beat there was the believe the Bengals.
It was.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah, it was the Cowboys were the best. They would
have beat the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
They would have and like the fort and I feel
like and I agree with you, but I also feel
like Everson Wall's career would have lasted for he ben
a hero. Like what if he picks that ball right
or even just knocks it away.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, just just win the game.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I mean, but he may not shine, he may not
rise if they just win the game. Yes, I think
if he makes a play, Oh my god, I think.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
That super bowls to the winners go to spoils.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
Okay, if there's another super Bowl on his on his
if that super Bowl on his resume, another super.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Bowl on Tom Landon's resume, And I said.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Danny White gets that super Bowl. Well, Drew Pearson is
on that team, you can get the super Bowl. Everyson
Wall's on that team, you get the super Bowl in
his resume to go along with a Hall of Fame
calliber resume as it is, he's still not in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Right now, he gets that Super Bowl Titlan his resume,
he's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Okay, Drew Pearson gets that Super Bowl title on his
resume to go with the other Super Bowls he already had.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
He's in the Hall of Fame soon as he got in.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
And then we're talking about maybe two Tall Jones, maybe
Harvey Martin, those guys get Hall of Fame mentioned that
they don't have because they don't have that second Super Bowl.
And again I'm talking about a run. Once you get
a Titler and the other is Bill Parcells. You to say,
two sides of the pancake. If they win that game,
maybe we never hear Joe Montana again, maybe they don't.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Rise, Maybe we don't get that forty donasa because the.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Cowboys the eighties at that point, yeah, because but that's
that was the beginning, yeah, okay, and that was the
four Jerry Rice.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
You know, again, a lot of things, a lot of
dominoes could have fallen if the Cowboys, if he doesn't
catch that ball, Cowboys won the super Bowl again three
straight and we're kicking Tony romos, but we're kicking Dak
Prescott's but because they can't even get past the wild
card game. Okay, Daddy White with the three straight Danny
White title games he did and.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
He didn't get to the Super Bowl and treating him.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Like he sucks right right, because he was a punter.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Who's I hold him in the highest regards, the highest
any white guy. Yeah, I don't know anything about that anyway,
but he probably had a great career.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Career as the teams owning all the passing records, the
passing Rogers star back Tony Rumble eventually passed him. Dak
Prescott will pass Tony this year to own all the
passing records. They never did anything in the playoffs, just
got one of three straight NMC title games. Loses this
thing on a one of the greatest plays in sports history,

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and we treat him.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like he sucked.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, it's bad that one is a little before Kg's
time and a little before my time. But this next
one is during our childhood. I know you got strong
feelings about this one. The number nine what if in
Dallas sports history? Another what if the Dallas Cowboys drafted
Randy Moss way back in nineteen ninety eight. They did
draft Greg Ellis instead of him. Obviously Greg Ellis had

(06:44):
a really good career, But Randy Moss, he might not
be the goat, but he's certainly In the conversation, Kevin,
what do you remember about his Thanksgiving revenge?

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Bad memories, A lot of bad memories. It was what
three for a buck ninety eight and three touchdowns? Uh,
the Minnesota Vikas just came into what was Texas Stadium
at the time and absolutely just destroyed the Cowboys. And
those are the first vivid memories of the legend that
became Randy Moss. Obviously the Cowboys passed on, didn't draft him,

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and he comes in and just torches him. Randall Cunningham,
Chris Carter, those boys were fantastic in the late nineties,
and Chris Carter was, excuse me, Randy Moss just beginning
his career and he goes out and has this showcase
on Thanksgiving Day and put the world on notice that, yeah,
Dalla shouldn't With all due respect to Greg Alice, he
was a fantastic player. Uh, it should have been Randy Moss,

(07:35):
and he reminded the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Fans wise context though, right, you have to think of
the context of the time, right, And the Cowboys had
just come through the whole White House thing, the whole
Michael Irvin thing, all that stuff, and so.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
They should have turned up even more they have since.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
But at the time the thought was Jerry's thought. Well,
and we all know Jerry's somewhat schizophrenic, right, he will
change from one path to another path in a heartbeat
on But at the time, Jerry's thought was, we can't
draft a guy who's got marijuana convictions or whatever. The heck.
Randy Moss I know right time it wasn't legal any place.

(08:25):
It was against the law. And Jerry was trying to
be like, you know what, we have to do the
right thing. We have to draft the right kind of player,
even if that means drafting a guy who Greg Ellis
might be the best guy out there and as a
human being, right, and a very good, very good.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Greg Alis was his own by the way, Greg is.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Great, great guy.

Speaker 6 (08:50):
I was covered the team, I was here when he
showed up. Certainly that draft. Uh, you're right. The problem
with Jerry is that he can be.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Led by the media, media criticism.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Okay, with the media criticism of the quo quote unquote
bad boys, a lot of guys who were suspended for
smoking that dope marijuana. Yeah, during that time, certainly the
Michael overstuff. But again, uh, they made a huge mistake.
And it was funny because it was Jason Garrett's dad,
Judd Garrett, who stood on the table said, you know,
we're not here drafted choir.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Boys were trying to win football games.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Take Randy Moss, okay, and Chan Gaily was the coach.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
He's very religious, and they wanted to go with the
right kind of guy.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
They were falling into the media criticism of Randy Galloways
of the world, all.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
The media guys, you can't be written like that. Of
course they ever won since, but anyway, Galloway my guy,
whatever one since.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
But yeah, I mean you got to understand that he
thought he was coming to the Cowboys. He was winding
down by Beyond and Michael okay and doing the pre
draft process. That's why was the Cowboy game was more
personal realm than although there were a lot of teams
that passed on them. Okay, because Cowboys picked eighth. You know,
he didn't go to the twenty, so it was more
personal with the Cowboys. But just think if they get

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him here. There are two things that I have want
to say real quick. Just think of the aura. We
know it's all the time, right, you got Michael, you
got you got random mass in Dallas, the r of
the vibes in Dallas with Moss and Dallas.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
You know it, everyone's already eighty eight. Don't do that.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm saying he would have been drafted.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
I'm saying I already here, young man, say okay, but
Mike tram Mike Traman's career being extended. Might the dynasty
got another restart if you had a.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Transitional or not transition.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
But but you know, a guy, a player like that
on this team to add to Hall of Fame type
player to go with what you had.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Might that have happened? But what also, it is true
he went to the right spot.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah he did.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
The Cowboys were not throwing the ball around the park
like the Vikings. He would not have put up the
same numbers in Dallas who liked to run about him.
And and you know, just throw twenty twenty five times
a game in Dallas. He might not have put up
the Hall of Fame numbers. But he would have been
a Hall.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Of Fame talent. He've been a Hall of Fame player. Yeah,
he certainly would have helped his team.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
It would have been fun to watch as a young
man growing up too, because our next moment was not
any fun at all for this young man. Here.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Let's go to two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
What if the Dallas Mavericks who led two to zero
over the Miami Heat with a thirteen point lead, like
six and change to go, what if they held on
to win that game to go up three to zero,
John Radigan, that arena in Miami became a house of
horrors for Dallas. They finally were able to get over
the hump in twenty eleven, but that that night is

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like a take it to your grave kind of game.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
So all right, full disclosure covered that series for Fox
Sports time. I was in Miami and I'm not gonna lie.
You guys are gonna be so pissed a me, me
and my photographer are sitting there. It was two three
to two at the time in the series, so we
had a chance of staying in Miami like for the
rest of the week. But we figured if the MAVs

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win Game three, they're sweeping.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh, so we're rooting.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
We're rooting again, We're rooting for the heat. It's another
damn day in Miami. So we but like we got,
We got the whole week in Miami, still never thinking
the Mavericks were gonna lose that serium.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
My bay, it is one of the few toy lit
South beasts that is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
We're having a great time into devastation.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
If they hold on to win that game, I think
you're right. I think it is a sweep. Are you too?

Speaker 4 (12:53):
And they just seemed again they're up by thirteen, as
you said, they're dominating at this point. It just seems like, man,
the MAVs are going to run this team right out
of the damn gym. And there was some bad calls
down the stretch in that game, but the reality is
they lost it and they just could not recover. And

(13:15):
by the way, the big one if there too is
what if they win that and they win the series?
What does that do for Avery Johnson's career? You see
what I'm saying. The poor man didn't ever, he didn't
get the respect I think he deserved after that. Uh
and after that collapse.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
The question is what if the NFL and the NFL
official head and called in the fix?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Was the fix was in? Okay?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
They want pat Riley to win.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
All those calls, all those blade, those phantom fowls in
the fourth quarter, send him to the free, don't line.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Dwayne Wade was the original foul merchant in that series.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I maybe, maybe, maybe Dirk retires with two or more rings. Yeah,
maybe maybe they're going to win a seven.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, don't forget seven. They had that great record. I mean,
they had the best.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
He won the m v P. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
But instead I was fifteen years old and crying on
the way home listening to so you had a bad
day after Game six.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I will never forget that. No idea. You soon have
a colleague who was rooting for that.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I have no idea. You see to have a
colleague who was in the arena for those games.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
The AC was rocket, it was man.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I used to go to that series and we were
up in the platinum level. I used to hang out
in the platum level.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah, party up there, the parties in the platinum level
doing that series.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I had a great time. You were fifteen.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I was there. I wasn't party, I was I was
sitting on doctor, but I was.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I was on.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
Because the talent was always out.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
There were so many great players on the team. It
was really fun to watch, all right. So that was
That was three. That was three bad memories. We're going
to talk about maybe a couple of happy things here
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the top ten what ifs in Dallas sports history. Let's
talk hockey and let's talk Hollywood. That's two things we

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both we all know about a lot. Here on set
uh number seven, what if Emilio Estevez, Gordon Bombay, and
that rag tag bunch of pee wee hockey players from Minnesota?
What if the Mighty Ducks film had flopped? So to
give you a little backstory here, the Minnesota North Stars
were already considered considering moving. They were considering relocating, getting

(18:06):
out of Minnesota. And right around that time this movie
came out and it did so well that the folks
at Disney out in California were like, we should actually
just do this all the time. But in the pros
and so they paid the expansion fees, and they essentially
purchasing the right to create a team in La or
what eventually became Anaheim, And that's how the Mighty Ducks

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came to be. Had that movie flopped, there was already
kind of as Owen Newkirk tells the story, there was
already kind of an agreement in place for the North
Stars to move to La and become the Stars, the
La Stars or the Anaheim Stars. But because that movie
did so well, Disney founded a team and Minnesota had
to reconsider and so incredible, Norm Green and Mike Madonno

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and the Stars moved south to Dallas and the rest
is history. Now before it turned over to you guys,
it's important to know, like there was no hockey year before.
It was very hot. It's still kind of other in town.
The population was booming, but not quite to the degree
that it did h you know at the turn of
the twenty first century. So it was a pretty big
risk to bring hockey to Dallas, right.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Yeah, I mean I grew up in Central Texas. I
remember the Houston hockey team. You know, they had hockey
team first, Sure they failed, but they had hockey teams.
I remember the hockey in Houston Ross Yeah, Houston Narrows, right,
so they had hockey team first. But I'm just just
listening to you. I'm thinking back to that movie.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
What a great movie.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
It was a great movie, and it was such a
great thing for Dallas. Now. I grew up in Detroit,
where we had hockey. We had an original sixteen town. Yeah,
we had hockey town.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
We did.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
By the way, Detroit didn't name itself hockey town until
the team got good in the late eighties.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, right, prior to that, it was Motown.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
For God's sake, it was not hockey town, but it's
hockey town anyway. I knew hockey would work here because
of the violence. Frankly, uh, people who love football love hockey.
They loved the hitting, they love the pace, they loved
the action, and I knew people would love it here.
I was thinking, you know, this team or the city

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desperately needs a hockey team. But the amazing thing was
there was no way it could happen. There was one
rink in town Valley Ranch. I mean yeah, there was
one at the galleria right.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Down there.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I want to see those guys out there with the
little kids them all right, I mean there was one
one rink.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
There was no way this could happen.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And Norm Green, to his credit, came in spent the
money it took to get at least two rinks, right,
so that Valley Ranch they had two rinks, which was
desperately needed. And then Jim Lights came from where Detroit,
the president of the Stars, came in here and his
first idea was, we got to get young people playing hockey.

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So they started building Star centers.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
All around here.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, they got young kids playing hockey, and the next
thing you knew, the young kids were in love with hockey. Now,
it didn't hurt that just within five six years after
they moved here they won a Stanley Cup, And it
damn sure didn't hurt that. Mike Madonna was such a
willing face of this team, friendly, good look and another

(21:21):
Detroit guy. Uh you know, I'm just saying I'm all
these Detroit guys. So anyway, Mike Madonna was absolutely the ambassador,
the steward for this whole thing. And by the way,
one quick thought on that, as good looking as that
man still is, if they'd moved to l A, oh god,
he'd never been a good hockey player. There were too
many good looking women.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Out one little point because I know Kevin.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
So hard to get through this.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Minneapolis hates Dallas. Oh yeah, yeah, go back to the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
The hell Mary, Yeah, look at all the failures the
Cowboy and it was their hockey team.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah yeah, so they hated out. The name Randy Moss
comes with that.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
That's made to the Mighty Ducks still, in my opinion,
probably the greatest hockey movie of all time. And I've
seen like three of them, so I consider myself an expert.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
An expert, no I am?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I am all right? Moving on Kevin Gray. This is
one that we talked about yesterday's DLLLS MAVs What If
show number six? What if the MAVs re signed Steve
Nash following the two thousand and three oh four season. Instead,
they just didn't really offer him that much of a
contract at all. He goes off to sign with the

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Phoenix Suns, wins the next two MVPs, knocks the MAVs
out of the second round in two thousand and five,
and Dirk would have to wait a whole lot of
years before finally winning a title. In twenty eleven, Kevin
Gray when I'm on record saying if Dirkin's in Nash
stay together, they would have won one, if not multiple.
But I mean they were making sweet, sweet, sweet basketball

(22:59):
mus way before offense was cool.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, they were.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
And Steve Nash, of course became a two time All
NBA player with the Dallas Mavericks before he eventually left.
Goes on when the back to back MVPs with the
Phoenix Suns becomes one of the best point guards in
the league at that time, should have with But more so,
Mark Cuban says all the time that this is argue

(23:22):
with the greatest regret that he had at his time
as an owner with the Dallas Mavericks, which is when
you think about the history of the team and that
singular player being his biggest regret, it just gives you
the idea of the kind of the gravity that Steve
Nash had as the Dallas maver Of course, him and
dur Navinci coming in together and helping turn the franchise around,
and then Steve Nash going on to have the success

(23:44):
that he did. It would have been fun to see
the two of them continue to grow together to see
if they could have won a title but Steve Nash
went on to have a Hall of Fame career himself.
But yeah, that is a massive what if, because who
knows if the if it's him delivery championship.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
It was such, it was such a terrible, terrible decision.
First of all, in addition to all that sweet music
that Nash and and Dirk made on the court, they
were best buddies. I mean, and they still are to
this day. I've seen him at the subsequent All Star
Games when like they spend the entire time. They're great friends,

(24:23):
and they would have gotten better and better and closer
and closer. That's the one thing. The other thing is
Mark Cuban came in here in two thousand, you know,
right after the clock turned over to the year two thousand.
He bought this team. And the whole thing was money
is no object. We're gonna spend the money. I'm a fan,
We're gonna spend the money. And all of a sudden,
the money for Steve Nash is like nothing even by his.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
The money all dot com bubble burst, yeah whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
And he was already he was already making movies or
Shark Tanks or something by then, and just a ridiculous
decision by this billionaire to not sign Steve Nash is
like and some some times, you know what Cuban overthinks
And I don't even know if it's on the list.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I even looked ahead.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
But you know, just like when he blew up the
eleven team, right, Oh, I know what the collective bargaining
agreement is gonna do. It's gonna ham strong people if
they don't break. And he broke up that damn team,
they could have won more. This was the same thing.
It's Mark Cuban overthinking stuff.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
You know, I got three words, Davis wins championships.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Oh my god, mute as my you cut him out,
post you gotta cut him out, and post easy.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
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Speaker 1 (25:37):
I need to turn his mic back on for this one,
because Clarence, I'm throwing you the ball and you're gonna
go our number five. What if moment in Dallas sports
history is what if the officials called the game by
the rules and does Bryant caught the ball? This is
the twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen man FC Divisional Round Cowboys

(26:01):
at Packers. As Brian caught the ball, the ball never
hit the ground should have been the Cowboys either touchdown
or first some goal at like the one, and instead,
all these years later, I don't really know what the
rules are.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Well, hell, the NFL would again.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I would have put the Romo drop snap.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
I think that's one more critical because I really thought
they had a chance to go to the super Bowl
that year if.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
They won that game in Seattle Brook was rookie year.
All they do was catch snap.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
Games over you go to Chicago and beat res Grossman,
have a chance to go to Super Bowl, a chance
to get deep in the playoffs. I think that singular
play was more critical over the last twenty years than
the de Brian played.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Brian play gets to most attention because Dance caught the ball.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
He caught the dam ball, right, He caught the ball.
This was not a mistake by the Cowboys. This is
not an error by the Cowboys. Dance caught the ball.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
They straight up got robbed.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, they because it was he caught the ball, he
changed hands, he took two.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Took two stats. That's right.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
He fell down, the ball pumped up in the air
and he caught.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
He never hit the ground the ball.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
I mean, there's nothing a part of the ball hit
the ground, never hit the game. So the idea that
didn't survive the ground is why, you know, Dean Blandino
and these guys make this decision whatever and why it
was ruled or not got this crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Because he caught the ball.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
I firmly believe the Cowboys win that game. They go
to Seattle the next week and beat Seattle on the
road to go to the Inn to go to the
Super Bowl. Because you remember back in Week six the
Cowboys beat the Seahawks on the road thirty twenty three.
Dan Bailey had had they want to win in that game,
and that was Tony Romo. That team, as Bryan led

(27:48):
the league in touchdowns that year in touch number SAPs.
They had sixteen a year that was arguably the best.
The sixteen team was really good. That fourteen team rivals
at seventeen that Chill is talking about that could of
one went to the Super Bowl too, because I thought
that that was or those I'm sorry, Pat.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
The best team was seven.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
The fourteen team was damn good, Ryan, Yeah, it was, yeah,
it was good.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
The Cos won the Super Bowl that year. If they who.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Made who would they play?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Why those Pats in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Well we're putting the we're putting the car before the horse.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
They would have been scattled the next week.

Speaker 6 (28:24):
Well, the problem is, which is why I brought up
the Romo player. Now we got to move on because
that was not the game decided to play. It was
four minutes after the game.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, they had never They did not stop Aaron Rodners
all day.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
That was he had four minutes to march right back
down the field and put.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
And Clarence on That ensuing drive with the Packers essentially
killed the game. They converted two third downs a third
and eleven.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, and that was so they were not stopping them anyway.
That's my point is that was not the game decided.
It was the ones that gets their attention because they
caught the ball. It's a great, you know, moment in
Cowboys history. To me, it's something it is it helps
the Cowboy fans fulfill their angst is they try to
mass the failures the.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Last third year. We got to have something to be
mad about.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
The world's have to get us.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yes, we caught the balls. They would have stealed lost
the game.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
We don't know that. We don't know that.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We'll talk about this coming.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
To you from the past, But let us know in
the chat. Do you think the Cowboys win the game
or not? Put your score predictions in all right? Coming
up next, we're gonna slow down a little bit and
talk about two jumbo trades that these Dallas teams made
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All right, welcome back to the d LS What if
podcasts are going through the top ten what IF's in
Dallas sports history. Let's go right into number four. This
trade is really the beginning of the dynasty. Number four
what if moment? What if the Cowboys did not trade
herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings. Cowboys got approximately one

(32:21):
million draft picks back in this trade that they use
to make some extra maneuvers on draft days and following
years they come out with Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and
a ton of other contributors to those super Bowl teams. Clarence,
what if this had not happened.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
They're not the team in the nineties, That's right. They
might not even win one super Bowl. Yeah, I mean,
that's how crucial this trade was.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
You mentioned it. They got emm the Smith, they got
Darren Woodson.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
You know, Russell Maryland was the first round pick that
came out of this draft, and a host of other players,
those of a picks that Cowboys used to form the
nucleus of the most talented.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Team in the NFL at the time, just easily.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
If they don't get this trade, they definitely don't win
three Bowls, and that may not win one.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, I think not win one. Was might overstate it
a little bit, because here's the deal. Jimmy Johnson at
that point had just come from the college ranks, and
his superpower at that moment in because again he went
to Miami later he didn't have the superpower anymore, but
at that point in his career, his superpower was he

(33:24):
knew the players in college better than anybody else, and
he got the right ones Russell Maryland was a one
to one. We're like, what in the hell is he doing?
Taken Russell Maryland? That won one. Well, Russell Maryland turned
out to be an anchor to that defensive line. Right,

(33:45):
Jimmy knew the players in college who were going to
be successful in the NFL. And so I think I
don't know that. I don't think that would have won
three either, but I think they'd won one because of Jimmy, right,
because not just his coaching, but his his knowledge of
the play.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
One of them, Jimmy one always with the best talent
he did. He wanted Miami because he had more talent.
That's right, Okay, in the trade helped him get the
most talent he did. Yes, Russell Maryland also played for
him in Miami, but it helped him stockpile talent. Okay,
if you don't have stock, I mean you say Miami
doesn't count. But he went to Miami. He did nothing, one,

(34:25):
no playoff games. Okay, he still needed talent to win.
As great at coach, he is motivated, is motivator as
he was psychological.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
All those things he won because he has the best player.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, but let's don't forget when he got here, he
had Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yes, and that's why he needed them other guys, that's
why the talent, Yes, but he needed the most talent.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
He did he did.

Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, you don't get to seam in the ninety that's
they're the team of the nineties. If then I'll say
they're not the team of the nineties, if you don't
make that trade. I mean it's just that simple. I mean,
three super Bowls in four years, You get Emmitt Smith,
you get Darren Woodson, who needs to be in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. We'll talk about that later,
and Jimmy Johnson becomes one of the best coaches of
his era, of his generation. So shout out to herschel

(35:12):
Walker in that trade, because man, it changed the course
of the decade of the nineties when it came to
who the best team was.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So I was just a wee lad when the Cowboys
were winning Super Bowls. I was born in nineteen ninety one,
so I have no memory of them being good or
really of that era. My consciousness begins, you know, right
around the time Randy Moss was a rookie. Actually, if
the Cowboys don't trade herschel Walker and hang on to him,
but they still have Troy and Michael Urban and all
those guys. Was how much better was Emmitt than Herschel,

(35:45):
Like could they still have had like the triplets if
it was herschel Walker instead of Emmitt.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Well, as we found out, herschel was a system back.
I mean he would would worked in Dallas didn't work.
And how they used him, and I don't know if
Jimmy would have used him the same way or whatever
else you're you're talking about. That that trade also helped
them build the line. I mean, you're you're talking about
building a team and and everybody talking about the offense,
but the Cowboys also have the number one defense, you know,
and so they had a lot of pieces that came

(36:11):
in the trade helped them not only we have the
trip as the number one offense, but also the number
one defense that was the foundation of those title teams.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
So he doesn't get enough credit for those times.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
Keeping her Sel I don't think gets him over the top,
because then you don't get it. And his greatest hersuon
was you know, Emmitt did become an all time lead
rusher and he was a different type of.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Back, so more complete back than her.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, So you know, it's what if, what what what
it could should have? Again and and again.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
If they don't make their trade, and I know Troy
was great and I know Michael was great, But if
they don't make the trade and they don't get all
the Super Bowls, maybe Troy and Michael is not in
the Hall of Fame either.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
You got you gotta put all that into.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Us on TV. Does Joe Buck have a different partner.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Joe Montana didn't do well? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
True point.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, that's one big trade that actually worked out really
well that we talked about what if it didn't happen. Now,
let's talk about a trade that did happen that I
generously the jury's still out on all right, our number three?
What if in Dallas sports history, if the Dallas Mavericks

(37:27):
did not make the Luca trade at all, maybe he
would have been traded at some point. We can talk
about that over the next seven minutes. But what if
they would have not made the trade when they did.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
The Mavericks had at one point this past season, had
won fourteen of seventeen games, and they look like the
best team in the league, and then all of a
sudden Christmas Day comes Luca strains that calf against Anthony
Vers in the Minnesota Timberwolves, and you never thought that
that would be the last time you would see Luka
Dacic in a Maverick's uniform. And obviously, the trade that

(38:02):
happened in the wee hours of February second of this year,
it was not only the biggest trade in NBA history,
that was the most dominant story in the world for
two weeks. Like that is how earth shattering this trade was.
Because you had a global superstar get moved in the
middle of the night without warning to the biggest team
in the world in terms of the Lakers as far

(38:24):
as the NBA is concerned, and a fan base who
was left devastated and in some respects some still haven't
come back even with the addition of Cooper Flag. You've
never seen a trade with this type of player in
his prime get moved in this fashion after just leading
his team along with Kyrie Irving to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Well, and to your point about the attention Jimmy Kimmel,
Jimmy Fallon all the late night talks, they're all talking
about they talk about sport y, right they and they
are all talking about it because it was transcendent. Yeah,
as a move. Now here's a conspiracy theory. If the

(39:11):
MAVs had never and you talked about a fix in
the six game, if the MAVs had never traded Luca,
would they have gotten the number one pick?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I say, no, Well, they would have gotten the number
one pickcause they would have made the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
So the great point, yeah, they probably would have won
the title. They at least gets the West. They at
least gets the Western.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
I mean, that's the problem with this whole scenario. The
it's a bad trade because of the drama.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
No, it's a bad trade because the better player got traded.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
That's fine all that, But we're talking about the repercussion, okay,
and you're talking about the Kimmel and all the drumma with.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
The fans and the disappointment. What if they had never
traded Luca? Would they won the title this year?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I think they would have had a very good They
had a great shot at it.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Well, we don't know that they didn't win it last year.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
We don't know they were in the final. They were
literally in the finals. They were literally in the finals.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I know where they were.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
I said they didn't win it last year, That's all
I said, right, but they're very good they.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yes, I don't disagree, but we don't know that they
would have won a title.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I do know what they did last year though, and
it was bad.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
They no, No, we know how they finished.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
And I'm saying, we know how they finished defense win championship, right.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
It does, Okay, I'll just check it.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know that at that point had been driven home
about you know.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
The Celtics that won the title last year, they had
the number one offensive the NBA.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Lest That's right exactly.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
All IM saying is the drama or the controversy is
more about the fallout than the than and.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
We don't we would never know if they would have
won a time. We never know. Cari Steel could have
got hurt, you know.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
You know that's what makes it such a good the conversation,
but you never know. But the devastation was the reaction,
you know. That's why I was on Jimmy Kimber. It
went on Jimmy Kimble because it was Luca necessarily because
they don't really know how good Luca is, but he
knows the devastation and the reaction from the fan base,
the contrivers that came out because of that. That's why

(41:20):
it made national news. Well from people that don't talk back.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Don't don't forget that.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Part of the reason for that reaction was how little
they got back.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did not get enough.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
To me, that's the biggest crime.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
You know, It's one thing you look at we talked about, Okay,
see the trade for Paul George.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
You see everything they got back. See it's still getting
draft picks.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
Back George and and and and all that stuff, and
the memoris. You know, they got a d and they
didn't get a lot of bushel of pigs.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's the biggest crime.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
On top of yes, Luca trade, Luca was wrong, and
we can talk all day, but doubling down on that
Mastae by getting nothing in return, that's the biggest crime.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
It is, and that's the thing that had the fans
that upset that they were storming the American Airline Center.
So the reaction, it almost sounds like you're critical of
the dramatic reaction. I'm not critical understanding that shouldn't because
that's how you have to react.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
I mean, I think when we look at why it's
so devastating, I think the reaction and of the fan.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Bases with Maysic so devasting.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Sure, and then Luca walked back in the AAC two
months later and dropped forty five for the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
And the operative words walked because he barely defense said he.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Can't add in how he played the regular season game
to the drama of the trade. What do you mean,
because that's my point is this reaction is making no
one's a regular season game that's not part of the.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
That was more than a game, literally the whole reason.
Can you put he got part of the in.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
The middle of the regular season after sobbing right.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
He that cat did not want to leave here.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
All he wanted to do was playing for the Dallas
Mavericks for his entire career. And that can't after crying
his eyes out, lit that team up for forty five
in his own building.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
It was a virtual home game and he was walking.
He was walking.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Nothing was going to stop it from did you not
read our did you not read our graphic clearance? It
just said the fans were pretty upset.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Because they traded him to the lake.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I'm not I'm not not mad. I'm just saying that
I'm not not mad.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, which I'm not not mad.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
I'm saying that it's the dramatics and all the stuff
that comes along with it.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
But that's the essence of being a fan though, you
get these emotional connections. You know, we talked about this
so much at the time, like there's all of this,
there's this symmetry you throughout MAVs history to go from
Dirk to Luca, and you expect even though it's almost
never gonna happen. Right, Was Luca gonna play twenty one
game seasons Dallas? Who knows? Was he gonna win one title?
Maybe more? Who knows? But like fans wanted that, you know,

(44:14):
and we we felt MAVs fans felt like we almost
like deserve that, we deserve that symmetry. We deserve to
see our guy win because Dirk's story was so perfect, right,
you know.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
And external fact is that that impacted the reaction and
everything that goes with it.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Now, what I what I think we have found over
the last few you know, talking about some Cowboys moves
and some MAVs moves, is that if you let the
people in charge, maybe they start feeling themselves a little
too much. You can make some mistakes, all right, the
players are really really important. And coming up next where Yeah,
speaking of mistakes and speaking of people maybe feeling themselves

(44:53):
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Speaker 1 (47:01):
All right, welcome back to the d LS Podcast. We've
given you what if moments ten through three, and now
it's time to talk about the top two what ifs
in Dallas sports history. And let's get right into it.
I guess it is October twenty eleven. The Rangers are

(47:23):
oh no, they're winning. They're ahead in Game six, got
to their final strike, David Freeze at bat Oh no,
tall police pipes in ninety eight miles of hour of heat,
and Nelly Cruz wasn't there to be on the receiving end,
John Radigan, and that was probably I'm not gonna lie

(47:43):
to you, man, that was maybe the most devastated I've
been as a sports fan in my life.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, rightly.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
So. It was unbelievably shocking and heartbreaking and demoralizing, right,
not just for fans. But I was with Mark maclamore
that night as we were getting ready to do a
Rangers live show after that, and as soon as they
lost that game, he said, they ain't went in tomorrow.

(48:08):
Oh I know, Oh come on, Mac, come on, mac
Ela cheeria.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Well he knew what time it was, damn.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
He knew that there was just like no way. He'd
been there nineteen years in big league baseball. He knows
what a team feels. And after that kind of just devastation. Man,
you are one strike away and we showed the first
one one strike away twice and the damn David Freese,

(48:40):
who hadn't been heard from before or since. Okay, maybe
he's a little better than that, but basically he hadn't
been heard from before or since, hit a triple for
two runs to tie the game and the ninth and
a bomb to win the damn thing after Josh Hamilton
had just saved Neftali Felies got him right off the
hook right gave them the two run lead and the

(49:03):
tenth inning with a Josh Hamilton was so flipping amazing,
and Nephie couldn't answer the bell man he could. He
was devastated. He was, as I say in one of
the things, he was a puddle of tears and fears.
After I don't think he was ever the same. I
think he had PTSD after that.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Hope he didn't go party with Josh Ammers.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Unbelievable. Huh, you want to do what with Josh Hamilton?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
You got a relax chill like you got you gotta relax.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
You gotta relax, no Jo, And I mean, you know, look,
they're they're down to their last strike and the first
I don't know much about playing baseball like I played
when I was a little kid, and uh, you know,
whenever they put the ball on the t for you.
But as an outfielder, your first step is supposed to

(49:49):
be back. You gotta go back back my guy this ball,
Like all he's got to do is just just sit
there and no doubles.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
And you win.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
You know, you know, way weash talked about it, he did.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
It was no double time. He every I think pitch.
He told him what a lineup that pitch he did well.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
And as a matter of fact, Nelly has since said
that he made an adjustment on his own. It was
not dictated by the coaching staff. He made an adjustment
playing the odds, just thinking what might happen. And you know,
he's admitted that that was his biggest mistake.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Right.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
People do want to criticize wash for not having Andy
Chavez in there, who would have been a better defensive
player at that point, right and so and and there's
a criticism there, there really is. But the reality is,
you know Nellie Cruz had hit a home run earlier
in that game.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Oh yeah, I mean Nelly went back to back right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yeah, he he deserves to be in that game. And
yet at some point maybe you got to make those
hard decisions and put an Indie Chavez in there and
make sure you win the damn thing. But that part
of it is just so much second guessing, which we're
all good at in baseball. That part is just so
much second guessing. You know. The reality is, uh, if

(51:11):
Nelly is where he's supposed to be on that play,
he makes that.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Yeah, and and and that's it's on Nelly at the
end of the day. He's a professional baseball player. It
wasn't any hard play. I mean, you didn't know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Put a defensive player, if you have to go to
the corner and catch something, this.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
Was right at it. He just backs up and catches
the ball. So it wasn't like a play he couldn't make.
And this thing I would would always say about sports,
and you go back to the when I talked about
the Romo players Dar's play one play.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Legacies are made, Legacies are made.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
I mean we were I mean it tells the story
about you, your career, the team, all of the stuff.
Just think of the legacy of the Rangers if they
make that play, legacy of Nellie Crue, legacy of the
manager at the time, Daniels at, all of that stuff.
Your whole legacy and the futures of a franchise is ultimate,
can be aunted by one play. Romo doesn't drop that snap,

(52:05):
maybe he does need the Cowboy with the Playoffs.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Six success because they bleeds are the things we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Joe Montana if he maybe, if he doesn't make that
play and Dwight Clark doesn't make that catch, he may
not become.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
The Hall of Famer.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
If Dwight Clark doesn't make that catch, maybe Daddy White,
you know when the super Bowl becoming, you know, becomes
the legends. So that one play can do so much.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
And that's what it did with thank you for teeing
me up because I'm so pissed at Rangers fans, I
can't even see straight after the after the the Elvis
Andrews Hall of Him and not all of them, I
love most of them, but the Elvis Andrews Hall of
Fame ceremony. They and Nelly was not there. He had
some other things, but he had a video of him

(52:48):
on the people boom. It was your point about the legacy, right,
and I get it. Nelson Cruz also got suspended the
next year for drugs that ain't hy p. People were
booing him. They were booing him because of that missed
catch in game six.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Come on, man, come on, I hated that.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
We've we've been that, Jose and they go, right, don't
get mad at Nellie Cruz, right.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Right exactly? Come on, man, damn.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Who, by the way, is the nicest man on the planet.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Just sad, I mean, unfortunately, you know, he made a
mistake at the biggest moment of his career. It sucks,
It sucks, and I wish horribly that would have gone differently.
All right, it's time for number one, the granddaddy. What
if of them all here a deal of sports? Oh
my gosh, what be Jerry Jones did not fire Jimmy Johnson?

(53:53):
What if the band stayed together? What if there wasn't
one of the biggest ego clashes we've ever seen in
the history of the universe. Would the Cowboys have just
kept that thing rolling?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (54:03):
That's that's the crazy part and you want you and
we're talking about the local thing earlier about you could
or they could have got They mad won this year,
right if you look a stays right, they mad won.
They went to the finals, they may have won. Well
if Jimmy stays Look what did Lebron say?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Not one, not two? Not three? Note I mean three
straight titles is in play?

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Maybe five, But that's they had the most talented team
in the NFL at that time.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
All that's in play because we also saw that not
having Jimmy, how.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
The thing fell apart very quickly.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Yes, they won one more with Barry Switzer, but they
dissolution of discipline.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
And everything else.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Traiman talks about his frustration with how that team fell apart.
It hurts him more than his enjoyment. Well, how they
rose to the title because of what they lost with
Jimmy being gone, and what other thing to me? Because
they fell out of a credit, because they fell out
because Jerry didn't Philly get enough credit for the success.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Go back to Herschta Walker.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
Trade and everything else that build this dot as a team.
Because Jimmy was considered the architect. We missed out on
a w W East style fight in a press conference
on the field because Ared I had to come on
the field in the wold quarter.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Jimmy, get off my field, you know.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Or in the press conference Jerry comes to the presid
com I did it too, and then him and.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Jimmy go at it.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Okay, we missed out on Yeah, we could have had that.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Hey, as it was when Barry won his Jimmy and
Barry and Jerry were trophy on the stage, right, So
that was good.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I was actually covering spring training on the day this
fight happened. I go to bed at midnight and poor Charlotte, Florida.
Needless to say, we'd had a few drinks that night
after you know, that baseball day had ended. I go
to bed about midnight and poor Charlotte, Florida, and all
of a sudden, my wake up call comes and I'm
damn it, don't feels like I've only been asleep about

(56:03):
an hour. I look at the clock. I had only
been asleep. In those days, they had an early edition
of the Dallas Morning News which came to Channel five.
I was at Channel five at the time. My assignment
editor called me and said, get up, you're going to Orlando, right,
so all of us we jumped in the car. We
went to Orlando to cover this big breakup. Jimmy's long

(56:24):
gone by that point, so you can't catch him there.
And then and we all talked to Jerry that day
and stuff and all that, and then the next and
then at the end of the trip, that spring training trip,
Emmett was having his football camp in Pensacola. So, hey,
you're not coming home, You're going to Pensacola. Off we
went to Pensacola, where we did get Jimmy and he

(56:45):
was just as pissed as he.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
At that point.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
He's still the coach. They hadn't quite made the decision yet.
This is Saturday morning. And then of course they did
make the decision. And then the next thing, you know,
we go out to Valley Ranch. In those days, they
had the curtains. Clarence remembers this, the curtains that were
doorways into the area where the players get dressed and
so forth. And I'm walking towards one of the curtains

(57:10):
and as I walk in there, I'm just about ready
to push the curtain through. Here comes a garbage can
through there. That way, Michael Irvin threw it. Yeah, I
mean this was huge news at.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
The time, huge huge news, of course, as I would say,
as the cow was devastation, like it was knowing what
Jimmy had meant to the franchise with Michael and Troy
and Emmett three, I mean win of the two super Bowls,
back to back super Bowls that they did, but also
knowing that it was going to be the end, that
you were never going to see that type of success
with Jimmy at the Helm ever. Again, it just it

(57:45):
was devastating as a Cowboys fan. And I do want
to I want to ask you this real quickly, because
Jimmy was known for burnout, like five years at a
place and he was out. I do wonder like if
he had stayed around, if Jerry hadn't been the egomaniac
at the time that he was, how much long Jimmy
had lasted there with that relationship, even with the amount
of success that he had, winning the amount of super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Like he would have to But you haven't.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Going to leave the NFL, I mean he I mean,
it's it's burnout bs Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
He left. He he left Oklahoma State because he got
a better job.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Yeah, he went to Miami, and we can say we
want to stay to Oklahoma save four years, and he
went to He.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Went to freaking Miami. They won a title on Howard Stellerberger.
I know you don't know that name. I know exactly
who that is. Relax, and you know they stole the
title from Texas because Texas should have won.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
Oh god, you know, we literally got a minute, a minute,
a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
And then he left Miami to come to Dallas.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Was college teammate for the coaching and for the coach
to cawboy was America's team.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
It was a better job.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
He wasn't leaving after winning two three super Bowls for
a better job.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
So yes, it sounds good, sounds well. Jimmy was burnt
out and he would have left it with No, he
was not leaving. I won three, four, maybe five titles.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
I'm about to get him fired up for the very
end of his show.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I heard narrative.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
I covered that team every day in those days, Joe,
were you even there yet?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Were you?

Speaker 4 (59:15):
They weren't even there after the title?

Speaker 5 (59:19):
Okay, so here's.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
There were words among players on those teams that said, yeah,
Jimmy's act is getting a little tired. It's wearing out on.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Us right because it was hard.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
He was hard, and they might not have won three
or four.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Wish we had Jimmy. He wouldn't let you, It's true,
but that's what players are going to say.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, in a world full of hypotheticals, it's always good
to know the grass isn't always greener. And as the
Cowboys found out, you don't know what you got till
it's gone, so you should.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Always enjoy what is.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
We can sit around and think about what could have been,
what should have in, what would have been, and all
these things, but all we do know is what we
have seen, and we've had a pretty good go. We've
had a pretty good go over the last three decades here,
four decades here in Dallas Sports, and hopefully the next
three decades will be even better. And we're gonna be
there every step of the way with you right here
at DLLs Sports. For Clarence, for Rads, for Kevin. I

(01:00:20):
almost just broke that microphone for Kat who would have
had to fix it, but luckily can just go home
after this. My name is Bobby. This is fun fellas. Yeah,
really good. Yeah, thank you for joining and thank you
for joining. Enjoy the rest of your day. In fact,
don't go anywhere because the Cowboy Show is starting right
now on this very channel.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
This is DLS Sports. We'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
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